I thought she was already married?

This is SO confusing!

well this seals it for me....if a wife of a presidential pretender is for it, then hells bells.....sign me up.....

no seriously, what the hell difference does this make........in other words about the only thing this shows is that the gay agenda is live and well and you had better not even question them or you will be accused of hate crimes.....(george will column of yesterday)

Why wouldn't she? She married a Breck Girl.

Elizabeth Edwards Supports Gay Marriage

Some people say she's already in a "gay" marriage considering her husband's propensity towards "metrosexuality"

hey corky....if you think you are confused just think about how confused the subject of the thread about the girl, I mean boy, I mean the whatever who was both....now thats confusing.......

At least she has something in common with Dick and Lynne Cheney then.
Has John Edwards hit on Jeff Gannon yet, or is Jeffyboy still Presidential material only?

"in other words about the only thing this shows is that the gay agenda is live and well and you had better not even question them or you will be accused of hate crimes"

YEAH!

In other words:
More from the "liberty and freedom" wingdings getting all upset and in a tizzy over someone other than themselves expressing their "liberty and freedom"!

Why wouldn't she? She married a Breck Girl.
Posted by cookfish at 2007-06-25 09:55 AM
YEAH!

Beats licking your comb and dragging it thru your greasy nap ----- like the Fake Plastics Breck girl Paul Wolfowitz!

How much do you want to bet wolfowitzs hair smells like pee!

Hmmm...a wife having a different idea about an issue than her husband.



Why is this news?

Damn homos wanting to be treated as equals. Next thing ya know the blacks and womenfolk will want it too!

I think what it really means is that John Edwards can't admit he is in favor of gay marriage in today's political world but his wife can say it for him without him having to endure the fallout.
Good for them.
BTW, apparently to a lot of folks, being good looking makes you gay. All these stupid comments about Edwards being gay are so funny. Almost as funny as Anne Coulter calling Bill Clinton gay.
I think many guys are jealous of good looking guys and the easiest way to attack is to call them gay just like smart, strong women are often called lesbians.

""Why wouldn't she? She married a Breck Girl.""

Bet she prefers her "Breck Girl" to a drug addled, fat blow hard who has been divorce...how many times????
Her and John endured the loss of their son and now her illness. Obviously their marriage is pretty damn strong and something which should be respected.

Oorah,

Yeah, I know what you're saying. I did know why this was news to begin with.

My point is that it shoulodn't be news.

Maybe I'm more of an idealist, but if a politician and his/her spouse disagree on an issue, to me, that just means their both human. It shouldn't make news and it certainly shouldn't be an "issue" within a campaign. I don't really care which side of the political spectrum the politician is.

Now, that having been said, I would have no problem (as in this case), stating which of the couple I agree with (if it does make the news), and in this case, I agree with Elizabeth.

Wait, so the only difference is she supports "marriage" and he only supports "unions"?

Oohrah, that is something the media should look into?

Who cares?

Shouldn't and They're.

Damn, I'm having troubles this morning.

".in other words about the only thing this shows is that the gay agenda is live and well...."

the gay agenda?

What have they asked for, other than the equality we currently deny them?

THANK YOU, DANFORTH!!!

If Ann Coulter says Bill Clinton is Gay, then what the hell was all that Impeachment Bullshit about, huh, right-wing nuts?

You people are completely schizonphrenic. Aren't there some meds you could be taking?

Oohrah; Sometimes you make me laugh, other times you make me puke. Today, the latter.

BTW, apparently to a lot of folks, being good looking makes you gay. All these stupid comments about Edwards being gay are so funny. Almost as funny as Anne Coulter calling Bill Clinton gay.


Wrong. Being good looking makes you...a)attractive to others and b)confident in yourself.

Paying $400 for a haircut and primping in that video above...that makes you questionable.

Would it be the first time a gay man has had a wife and kids and has used them to further his career, especially in the south, as Edwards is?

Can we get a candidate...just one...who goes on camera as his natural self? Please?

"Can we get a candidate...just one...who goes on camera as his natural self? Please?"

Posted by Axiom


Ron Jeremy?

Can we get a candidate...just one...who goes on camera as his natural self? Please?

That candidate would never be elected, Ax.

Can we get a candidate...just one...who goes on camera as his natural self? Please?

Posted by Axiom at 2007-06-25 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

hey Get Me 6 Billion Dollars and I will run for President and I will keep My hair the same as it is when I first wake up in the morning, Ala Trafficant. Will that work for You?? I can even flash You a little bit of skin too.

Larry

SHE MARRIED ONE

SHE MARRIED ONE


She married a gay marriage???

What rights do I have that the queers don't have?

""Paying $400 for a haircut and primping in that video above...that makes you questionable.""

Hahahaha!
As if the amount you spend on a haircut has anything to do with sexual orientation. I know some gay men who go to Supercuts, does that make them straight or just cheap. Edwards has millions, what does he care about $400???
Now a guy who loves dressing in drag.....like Rudy....now he's a little questionable.

""What rights do I have that the queers don't have?""

The right to be a stupid bigot.
Oh wait, they have the same right but just don't exercise it.
Oh well.

Doesn't this country have enough much more important things to worry about? Like an eternal war in Iraq, a treasonous effort to merge us into the NAU, the FDA inspects none of the food coming in from 3rd world countries and all we get from Mrs. Edwards on the issues facing us is she is all for gay marriage?

"What rights do I have that the queers don't have?"

Over 1,000, but here are some of the big ones:

---no social security survivor's rights, despite the fact gay couples pay in at the same rate as straight couples.

---no pension equality: If my wife inherits my IRAs she gets to roll them directly into her accounts, and gets the benefit of the tax-deferred or tax free gains for the rest of her life, and whatever she passes to our kids will get tax benefits for the rest of their lives. Not so for a gay couple: the beneficiary must claim all monies as income the first year, and forfeit any tax benefits thereafter.

---no guaranteed accessibility to "second-to-die" pension options: again, something routinely available to straights, but unavailable to gay couples.

---no automatic equal rights: to get only some of the rights my wife and I got to take for granted the moment we said "I do", a gay couple will have to spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars in legal and filing fees. And even then, the above mentioned major issues aren't addressed, and remain unfair and unequal to this day.

"Can we get a candidate...just one...who goes on camera as his natural self? Please?

Posted by Axiom"

That didn't work out too well for Richard Nixon in 1960 and thus the beginning of "Primping for the Presidency".

"She married a gay marriage???"

After a long and fabulous engagement.

The right to be a stupid bigot.
Oh wait, they have the same right but just don't exercise it.
Oh well.

Posted by danni

What does that have to do with any rights we have? If you could focus on issues and not feelings you could see that they have every right that I have and their whining is for EXTRA rights which does bring out dislike for them.

Sniper,

Read Danforth's brief list of some of the rights you have that gay couples don't.

Sniper---What EXTRA rights are they whining for? Imust have missed that part. What EXTRA rights do they want? To marry who they love? Don't you have that right? Remember---if they get a right---you get a right. But again--as I said---I missed what EXTRA right they are asking for---what right is that?

Buffalo Bob,

What EXTRA rights are they whining for?

I would like three day weekends and a gift certificate for breakfast at Denny's.

I'll settle for spousal priveledge, which protects married couples from having to testify against each other in criminal court cases, though. Let's see the "contract law" crowd wrap their heads around that one.

Sniper---What EXTRA rights are they whining for? Imust have missed that part. What EXTRA rights do they want? To marry who they love? Don't you have that right?

Not since she found out his name and got the restraining order.

As a Gay man (...the only gay in the village...), Sniper, do me the favor of telling me what EXTRA rights I want? I can't wait for this....!!!!

But I guess I will not get an answer from Sniper ("...not the only idiot in the village..") He took his shots and will now leave, thinking that what he's said is enough and true for those who's minds are not already made up on both sides.

They have every right I have. I can give my IRA and my 401 to anyone I wish to and they can too. I can live with anyone I wish to and they can too. There are restrictions on my SS (anybody counting on this one is stupid) and there is on theirs too. If I want my SS to go to someone, I would have to marry that person as the law perscribes. What right do I have that they don't? Please tell me.

Why wouldn't she? She married a Breck Girl.
Posted by cookfish at 2007-06-25 09:55 AM
What rights do I have that the queers don't have?
Posted by Sniper at 2007-06-25 01:25 PM
YEAH!

Apparently the right to primp their hair as they see fit without being attacked with slurs and derogatory statements!

But hey, I know many a yummy mummy just begging to run their fingers thru some "Breck" hair (and subsequently stick their hands in my pocket to boot)!

Ha, maybe that's the source of your jealousy Kojak!

The right to freely transfer assets between "partnered" individuals as "married" individuals do without being subject to gift taxes. Running a household without this issue cleared up makes it logistically impossible w/o running afoul of gift tax issues.

The requirement that they spend tens of thousands of dollars on complext living trust agreements and thousands of dollars in accounting/legal fees to maintain such an arrangement in order to come CLOSE (but not the same) to the way straight couples own property.

The ability to have your partner adopt the other's child is prohibited in most states.

You cannot transfer your estate after death and use the "spousal exemption" from estate taxes (a 100% exemption from estate taxes).

I could go on.

""What right do I have that they don't? Please tell me.""

Can you and your wife file a Joint Income Tax Return??
If you leave your wife (considering that she stayed home) and not owe her anything??
Are you able to put your wife as a dependent on your health insurance coverage (some civil unions can do this, some domestic partnerships can but not all).
Can you and your wife adopt children, in Florida gays can't.

The real question is why does it matter to you??? What is it in your psyche that causes you to even care what homosexual couples do??? "Princess that protests too much" syndrome I suspect.

Sniper,

What right do I have that they don't?

You can refuse to testify in both civil and criminal court cases regarding the contents of private communication you have with your wife. You can refuse to testify against your wife if she is the defendant in a criminal court case.

Sniper:

You have the right to donate blood.

I DON'T!

You have the right to Serve openly as a heterosexual in the military.

As a homosexual, I CAN'T!

You have the right to marry the love of your life.

As a homosexual, I DON'T!

You have the right to list your spouse as co-owner of your house or motgage.

As a homosexual, I CAN'T!

You have the right to hold hands with your partner without fear of some heterosexual killing you.

As a Homosexual, I DON'T!

You have the right choose your faith, your CHOSEN LIFESTYLE, and be protected from workplace harrassment.

As a Homosexaul, I DON'T.

Jeez, shut your mouth. You are an idiot.

Sniper? Where are you? Aren't you going to pick out a few choice responses that you have an argument for and ignore the rest? Or will you actually have some argumentative integrity and admit there are many ways in which the rights differ?

Sniper sez:
"They have every right I have."

No they don't, as has been proven repeatedly by multiple posters.

"I can give my IRA and my 401 to anyone I wish to and they can too."

Not with the same residual rights. You can give your IRA to your spouse, who can benefit from it throughout her life, who then can will the remainder to your kids, who then can benefit from it the remainder of their lives. Gay survivors must claim it all in the first year, and cannot garner any tax breaks after that first year.

"There are restrictions on my SS...and there is on theirs too."

Not the same at all. You and your wife have survivor's rights. Gays have none.

"If I want my SS to go to someone, I would have to marry that person as the law perscribes. What right do I have that they don't?"

To marry that person as the law "perscribes".

Gays don't have that option; they are treated unequally.

Fair enough...

Except that the media hasn't been 'all over' lynn cheney for her support of gay marriage. Seems to me that that little tidbit has fallen by the way. Oh wait, that would disturb the kool-aid drinking mass of republican idiots.

Speaking of idiots...Sniper? Where are you?

(CUE SOUND: Crickets Chirp)

Typical - hit and run, fuck the truth, eh?

He's just another one of those conservative intellectual, I guess.

YEAH!

Speakin' of gay, I just heard mark levine for the first time!

Only dick morris could hiss and lisp more!

Can you and your wife file a Joint Income Tax Return??
If you leave your wife (considering that she stayed home) and not owe her anything??
Are you able to put your wife as a dependent on your health insurance coverage (some civil unions can do this, some domestic partnerships can but not all).
Can you and your wife adopt children, in Florida gays can't.

The real question is why does it matter to you??? What is it in your psyche that causes you to even care what homosexual couples do??? "Princess that protests too much" syndrome I suspect.

Posted by danni

What matters to me is everyone thinks they are special and need a law to protect them from the boggie man.

I can't file a joint return.
I can't put my friend (either sex) on my health care.
I can't adopt childern. Single people can't you know unless they go to a foreign country.

I can leave my money to anyone I want to when I die. What is the limit on inheriantce before it's taxed? Who wants to change that?

We need more laws like we need telephone poles shoved up our asses. We need to get rid of millions of laws not make more.

Gee Sniper you really destroyed those arguments by not even dealing with any of them. "I can't put my friend (either sex) on my health care." That really dealt with that one.
""We need more laws like we need telephone poles shoved up our asses. We need to get rid of millions of laws not make more.""
Yes, the old, "we already have too many laws so you can't have equality" argument, yep that really destroyed all those arguments about the "special" rights gay folks want that "straight" folks don't get.
You are so clever, it's hard to argue with a great mind like yours.

Just stand by, all you heteros. Your hero, Ann Coulter will be on MSNBC Tuesday. Wonder if Orally will have that show taped and altered to suit his need to act like a complete asshole.

Danforth so what if gays are treated unequally.

Its just the way things are. I like it like this. We should not be trying to make it easier for immoral lifestyle choices.

Why should we give rights to someone just because they think so.

I can't get my money out of social security till I am 65. Age Discrimination.

I couldn't drink until I turned 21 again age discrimination.

No one is going to hire me as a runway model. Discrimination based on looks.

I can't get a minority scholarship. Discrimination based on race.

Men who are short get discriminated against based on height, especially with women.

Women get custody of children far more often than men even though there is no scientific evidence to prove they are better parents. Discrimination based on sex.

Gays need to get the fuck over it. The rest of society as a whole doesn't agree with you so that is that.

Yeah, except the constitution is supposed to protect the minority from the tyranny(and stupidity) of the majority.

Most gays want equal rights, not special ones.

So Will I Always have the right to say I that I disagree with their lifestyle? According to my religious beliefs I think It is wrong. Can I say this without being charged with a hate crime? It seems that they not only want all the rights of a heterosexual, BUT they also want to silence all critics as well. That is the part I have a problem with.

Can I say this without being charged with a hate crime?

Yes.

YouKnewWho sez:

"Danforth so what if gays are treated unequally."

Early, I know, but...I rest my case.

Guess what, Einstein...that's why America was founded: people are treated equally, at least in theory.

"Its just the way things are. I like it like this."

Again, folks...you can't make this shit up. Behold: the modern-day segregationist.

"We should not be trying to make it easier for immoral lifestyle choices."

Do you mean divorce, or coveting your neighbor's wife, or coveting your neighbor's goods, or...oh, no...? Oh, I get it...it's only those behaviors of which you don't approve. Hypocrite.

"Why should we give rights to someone just because they think so."

Because it shouldn't just be gays who "think so". It should be every fair-thinking American, everyone who actually believes in the statement all men are created equal.

"I can't get my money out of social security till I am 65. Age Discrimination."

Apples and oranges. That has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact your wife, should you choose to marry, can and will inherit a "bump-up" to your social security benefit. No gay partner will get the same. It's unfair on it's face.

"No one is going to hire me as a runway model. Discrimination based on looks."

All due respect, I don't think you truly understand what that word ("discrimination") means.

"Gays need to get the fuck over it. The rest of society as a whole doesn't agree with you so that is that."

Hardly. As each day passes, your neanderthal approach is seen for the narrow-minded bigotry it is, and more and more people are seeing the "gay agenda" for what it truly is: a demand for equal rights, and nothing more.

"So Will I Always have the right to say I that I disagree with their lifestyle?"

Sure...you just won't be able to codify them as second-class citizens.

"It seems that they not only want all the rights of a heterosexual, BUT they also want to silence all critics as well. That is the part I have a problem with."

When they ask for nothing more than equal rights, then yes, they have every right to point out that those who would deny gays what straights take for granted are bigoted jackasses. If you can point to one thing gays want that straights don't get, I'll agree with you. Oh, and "hate-crime" legislation doesn't count. I have no doubt every homosexual would trade that "protection" for a world without discrimination.

Sniper

Still haven't heard what EXTRA rights they want.

If you can't name these EXTRA rights that they want,then maybe you should STFU about gays wanting EXTRA rights.

As far as I know they aren't asking for any right that you won't have too.

Buf,

Just exactly what right do I have that dan and dump don't? I can't give my SS to anyone I choose. I can't put anyone on my health care that I choose. Not even my childern now.

They want me to smile and act like I am glad for them while they kiss each other in front of my little grandaughter. They want me to think riding the hershey highway is a great lifestile while they want my tax dollars to pay for the aids they got doing it. They want gay rights but I don't want bachlor rights. They have gay parades but I don't have bachlor parades. When is the last time you have seen anyone in the straight comunity protesting for unequal rights?

Why can't they just shut up and go on with their lives. There are a lot more inequities in this world than anything you have posted on this subject.

"Just exactly what right do I have that dan and dump don't?"

Well, sweetie, as a straight guy I get ALL the rights, automatically. My wife and I got over 1000 rights the moment we said "I do", rights which have been touched upon in this thread.

"When is the last time you have seen anyone in the straight comunity protesting for unequal rights?"

Why would people protest to get rights they already enjoy?

"There are a lot more inequities in this world than anything you have posted on this subject."

Not if you're the one on the lousy side of this deal. It can literally be the difference between life and death.

"Why can't they just shut up?"

Because they're being discriminated against. Not only that, but some idiots believe they already have equal rights. Nothing could be further from the truth.

We need more laws like we need telephone poles shoved up our asses. We need to get rid of millions of laws not make more.

Of course! Why didn't I realize that? Now I'm perfectly fine with tax inequality. And when I waste dozens of hours and thousands of dollars with a lawyer who specializes in contract law? I'll be thankful, like my grandparents were when they walked three miles uphill both ways to school.

"When is the last time you have seen anyone in the straight comunity protesting for unequal rights?"
Posted by Sniper at 2007-06-26 10:02 AM

YEAH!

Well, the manufactured "war on Christianity" immediately springs to mind!

But hey, you'll be the first to scream bloody "discrimination" when told to stick that Cracker White Jesus you rode in on up your ass!

You know, that "lifestyle choice" you people keep pushing on others?!

Sniper--you seemed to gloss over most of the points raised (as predicted). What about these:

The right to freely transfer assets between "partnered" individuals as "married" individuals do without being subject to gift taxes. Running a household without this issue cleared up makes it logistically impossible w/o running afoul of gift tax issues.

***This is the biggest issue i see with gay couples***

The requirement that they spend tens of thousands of dollars on complext living trust agreements and thousands of dollars in accounting/legal fees to maintain such an arrangement in order to come CLOSE (but not the same) to the way straight couples own property.

***This is a huge issue***

The ability to have your partner adopt the other's child is prohibited in most states.

***This is flat out rediculous***

You cannot transfer your estate after death and use the "spousal exemption" from estate taxes (a 100% exemption from estate taxes).

***This gets lumped in to all of the other retirement/estate tax/etc. issues***

Curiously, once again, we only hear crickets.

They have the same right I have on transfering assets.

They have the same right I have on property ownership.

They have the same right I have with an estate.

What are the limits on estate taxes? What party wants to reinstate the death tax?

You tell me what right I have that they don't have.

You all seem to gloss over the fact that not everyone is happily married. Married people get more breaks than I do but I am not out there bitching about it.

You all seem to gloss over the fact that not everyone is happily married.

You seem to gloss over the fact that this debate is about marriage.

You're right Sniper---Gay partnerships are treated as single individuals. You've hit the nail on the head, so to speak. The inability to legally function as a combined household is a right they don't have, but you do, should you find a blind, drugged up, bat-shit crazy woman to marry you.

Do you at least understand that a gay couple cannot buy a house together, pay a mortgage, buy cars together, invest together, etc--unless they contribute EXACTLY the same amount of money as the other? If they combine assets, any difference in income/asset contribution will be subject to gift taxes. In addition, all gifts to one another are subject to gift taxes. Buy a trip for your significant other? Gift taxes. Buy a camera, watch, ring, computer, car, ANYTHING--gift taxes. Shit, if one or the other pays the whole electric bill, gift taxes.

If you don't understand that--you're either a complete fricken idiot, willfully ignorant or lacking in argumentative integrity.

People who pretend that gay couples have the same rights as straight couples are just willfully ignorant.

gay agenda !

Their agenda, you right wing fucks, is to be equal.

We can assume y'all were against integration, mixed marriage, etc. etc.
(i.e. when you could get away with saying it).

Yomlib--

Yeah---the "integration agenda", "black agenda" the "interracial marriage agenda"


I love it how the right uses the word "agenda" as having some negative connotation. Seeing as it is defined as "things to be done or considered"--yes there is a gay agenda--that is equality vis a vis heterosexuals in every way.

Sounds so sinister, doesn't it?

Well, put it on the ballot then. And then let me know how it goes.

"Well, put it on the ballot then. And then let me know how it goes."

And tell us, RIR, how would integregation have gone if the good folks of your home state were allowed to vote?

And why on earth should the majority ever get to vote as to whether minorities will or won't be treated fairly?

Fair enough. Run the bill through Congress, just like in the integration days. Or is that too much trouble?