So I hear the 5th, ooops I mean a 5th!

4 branches doesn't even begin to cover it.... You've got your dept. of homeland security, your department of revenue, your department of education and your department of human services.... Then you've got your department of alcohol, firearms and tobacco and your department of motor vehicles... Then there's also your social security department and your local FSA..... Blah blah blah....

If you think executive, legislative and judicial are the only branches you're just kidding yourselves.

People say, Rules are made to be broken then you have the people that think they can erradicate that truth by making more...

Such a joke....

Let's face it. Cheney's made the office of the VP the "Office of the Vice President/Really the President Anyway."

Good call ALLAMERICAN!! Cheney has bullied the little monkey that is supposed to be his boss from jumpstreet.

If you think executive, legislative and judicial are the only branches you're just kidding yourselves.
-Incubus_Con



I thing you're a little confused between Branches and Departments. Lets simplify, in this case departments work under Branches. There are only three branches.

Hanoi Jane wants Bush and Cheney impeached. What a frustrating crusade this must be --- because God has already said that George Bush will never be impeached.

I think this Ho Chi Minh lover Hanoi Jane should first be tried for treason. This will clear her hypocrisy. Only then she can cry for the blood of Bush and Cheney.

For a White House that has offered a bountiful stream of substantive scandals for six years, the latest dust-up might be the most bizarre.

The background details are surprisingly straightforward. In 1995, the Clinton White House issued an executive order establishing uniform rules for protecting classified information. In 2003, the Bush White House revised it. The order plainly includes any executive-branch agency, any military department, and "any other entity within the executive branch that comes into the possession of classified information." The entire branch of government, the order said, is subject to oversight.

This week, however, in light revelations about the White House ignoring its own E.O., the Bush gang started spinning like a top.

The White House said Friday that, like Vice President Dick Cheney's office, President Bush's office is not allowing an independent federal watchdog to oversee its handling of classified national security information.

An executive order that Bush issued in March 2003 -- amending an existing order -- requires all government agencies that are part of the executive branch to submit to oversight. Although it doesn't specifically say so, Bush's order was not meant to apply to the vice president's office or the president's office, a White House spokesman said.

Look, I can appreciate the fact that the White House is in a jam here. Bush, Cheney, and the rest of the gang repeatedly mishandled classified materials during a time of war, got caught, ignored their own rules, and is now struggling to rationalize their conduct. When the federal agency responsible for oversight tried to do its job, the Vice President reportedly tried to abolish the agency. This isn't a fact-pattern that's easy to spin.

But the explanations thus far have been transparently ridiculous, up to and including the notion that the Vice President, as defined in Article II of the Constitution, isn't actually part of the executive branch of government.

This is all about Dicks office leaking classified information when it suits their agenda. An investigation into how they safeguard classified information would show they only safeguard Dicks ass.

This is all about Dicks office leaking classified information when it suits their agenda. An investigation into how they safeguard classified information would show they only safeguard Dicks ass.

Somebody notices the forest without missing the trees.....

Somebody notices the forest without missing the trees.....

Posted by tonyroma

Or being caught up in Branches.

For Cheney, the law is something he makes up as he goes along. He's just a cheap thug in an expensive --- albeit, poorly fitting --- suit.

For Cheney, the law is something he makes up as he goes along. He's just a cheap thug in an expensive --- albeit, poorly fitting --- suit.

Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Ya. HIS electronic box is in his chest. Bush's on the other hand was a lump in his back feeding him answers thorough a discrete earphone during the last debate of the 2004 election.

One needs a box (adjusted to 'full evil') to keep his heart beating, the other needs a box to tell him how to put together a coherent answer. Matter of fact, the last one I heard from him was when that earpiece was feeding him words during the last debate in 2004.

What they both need, AA, is a lock box.

What they both need, AA, is a lock box.

Posted by Doc_Sarvis

If only they'd gone for the one Al Gore was going to put the surplus in to pay off the national debt and shore up Social Security?

God, if only.......Biggest spending/wasting president in U.S. history.

I don't know why you guys give Cheney such a hard time. He's a straight shooter.

Posted by OohRah

Funny flag for ya......

He's a straight shooter.

Posted by OohRah

And at his Best when drinking Straight Shots.

I don't know why you guys give Cheney such a hard time. He's a straight shooter.

Posted by OohRah

I'm gonna have to give you a 'newsworthy' flag too.

It's the first I've ever heard of him being a 'straight shooter' if you meant it in the non ammo sense.

A Real Shame the subject is anything but Disgraceful.

Ever notice how crazy stuff happens when the white house has something bigger to hide. It seems that something controversial always comes up, causing a big comotion that over shadows what ever is going on behind the scenes. I think there's more to this than what it seems......

I don't know why you guys give Cheney such a hard time. He's a straight shooter...Posted by OohRah

Obviously that incident scared the shit out of everyone not aligned with The Cheney Mechanism. He sent a clear message; "Fuck with us and I'll come bust a cap in yo ass myself."

Is there any doubt that Congress is lamer than the lame duck? Or lame chimp?

Uh, better shut my mouth, hunting season is coming up.

He sent a clear message; "Fuck with us and I'll come bust a cap in yo ass myself."
Posted by DUMPLING1

i thought that was what the anthrax attacks were for since only dem leaders and the liberal press got the tainted letters

what is sad is....this wont change if the dems take control

see current congress

this kinda crap happened during the clinton admin

see rose law firm records
i did not have sex with that woman

and what is sadder is we the people put up with it

Cheka, please show how the Rose law firm records and Clinton getting blown by an intern relate to "a law requiring disclosure of executive records."

Boy this thread brought some wingnut dead-enders out from the their rocks!

We had better join the world court soon.

This time let's make sure we take away their cyanide pills so we can hang them proper.

Cheney's an easy guy to dump on. I've always liked his no nonsense approach.

Posted by OohRah


LOL

Nonsense approach, Most would say Machiavellian.

It will be interesting to see what happens to Bush/Cheney when we are relieved of them.

It is a little bit of comfort to know they'll spend the rest of their lives looking over their shoulders.

and doc sarvis proves my point....
hey doc they all act the same that was the point...get it...

no i doubt he does nother govt educated idjit

and doc sarvis proves my point....
hey doc they all act the same that was the point...get it...

no i doubt he does nother govt educated idjit

Posted by cheka

LOL

Yes Exactly I clearly remember Clinton & Gore declaring they were not subject to a law requiring disclosure of executive records.


Your last seems to be an example of your civics understanding.


The Priceless Part is these heretics of the US Constitution were voiced as returning morality to government.

Give me a President with a Gumas on each arm anytime over these Pious Machiavellian.

I don't know why you guys give Cheney such a hard time. He's a straight shooter.

Posted by OohRah at 2007-06-23 11:30 AM | Reply


Straight shooters don't make lezbos...

Straight shooters don't make lezbos...

Posted by CLINTONISKING


Perhaps the genes came from the Shootie and not the shooter.

Oh I forgot it's 'learned'.

We've been dancing around this issue for quite some time, but if anyone remains skeptical that the Bush Administration doesn't view itself as an extralegal entity, then they aren't paying attention. Bush and Cheney are actively telling us, the people who empower them, that they can make law outside the Congress of the United States that exempts them from any oversight whatsoever, and when confronted with the actual verbiage of the stated Executive Order that says just the opposite, their reply is "Well, the President signed the Order and he knows what he intended it to mean."

Say what the flying fuck does that mean? It means that the Executive Branch, or precisely the Offices of the President and Vice President, are immune from pesky rules and regulations whether they were set forth by Congress or by the President's own hand. "The law means whatever we interpret it as," appears to be the mantra of the Bushies, and when those in government whose job it is to keep track of these things asks nicely and is rebuffed, guess who they go to next for help in fulfilling their mandated requirements? Gonzo's Justice Department, fancy that.

And guess what else? So far the DOJ has refused to look into the issues brought to their attention. Does anyone wonder why?

The entire Bush government is imploding on itself and unless we want this nation to become even more of a dictatorship, Congress is left with one option that becomes more imperative with each passing incident: Articles of Impeachment,/b>!

When the Department of Justice cannot be counted on to do what is right, much less what is unarguably legal, what hope will it be in assisting the Congress toward any investigations of wrongdoing? People keep harping on Bush's right to fire the US Attorneys without cause perhaps now can begin to understand why the DOJ must maintain independence and distance from the White House, to whom its responsible for investigating potential illegalities from within. It cannot do its job if the White House directs the DOJ as a political tool and weapon of the Republican Party.

I certainly hope this issue crystallizes the reasons why this government must be stopped and brought back into its constitutionally proscribed role as a co-equal branch of government, and this must happen sooner rather than later. Its our country, if we're smart enough and strong enough to keep it.

This is too ridiculous, even for Cheney.

I wonder if it has anything to do with the disagreement between the P and V.P. over the closing of Guantanamo.

BTW, has anybody figured out who's on first yet?

TONY:

Your 2:49 post was EXCELLENT!

As a Canadian sees it, both Dubya and his puppet-master have made it imperative that impeachment proceedings be started immediately against both these lying, arrogant (we're above the law), dangerous abusers of the Constitution.

Where are the Democrats? As Edmund Burke put it "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing." It is obvious that the checks and balances built into the Constitution are in peril, and will be even more so unless the TERRIBLE TWOSOME are stopped.

These latest abominations to come from the White House and the FOURTH branch of government (AKA "Go f*$k yourself") should have patriotic Americans demonstrating in the streets, if not actually storming the barricades around the presidential mansion.

should have patriotic Americans demonstrating in the streets, if not actually storming the barricades around the presidential mansion.

Posted by Gabe at 2007-06-23 05:06 PM


You've got to be kidding.... We have one of the fattest societies of underworked over Idoled/idled people on the face of the earth....

You've got to be kidding.... We have one of the fattest societies of underworked over Idoled/idled people on the face of the earth....

Posted by Incubus_Con

Fat, Dumb, and getting less Happy.

Frog in tepid water analogy.

Cheney Starts Fourth Branch of Government

I was wondering when the the Democrats would get around to countering these political games by Cheney with some games of their own -- like witholding any funding that the VP's office gets from Congress as a part of the executive branch. Rahm Emanuel is a smart cookie and he knows how to fight fire with fire -- or in this case politics with poilitics.

Cheney shouldn't be able to "morph" the status of his office at will to suit his political purposes.

Emanuel is one of the the only democrats to realize that it is is self-defeating to just whine about what Cheney is doing and do nothing, while there are so many legal and political means at the Dems disposal to force Cheney's hand with.

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said Cheney was not obligated to submit to oversight by an office that safeguards classified information. Cheney's office has argued it does not have to comply because the vice president's role as president of the Senate means his office is not an "entity within the executive branch."

Okay, then let him submit to the rules of the Senate. Anyone know what those would be in this case?

Darth cheney is covered under all the applicable executive branch laws and he knows it, but I welcome the Constitutional battle of the Congress holding his feet (and any bodily parts they deem necessary) to the fire.
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Enjoy the tongue and cheek. Actually the office of the VP is the only one that serves both the Executive and Legislative branches of government. The executive order was made to clarify Cheney can delete e-mails to prevent his own conviction-clearely the President knows exactly what Cheney is doing and is giving him free rein

Cheney shouldn't be able to "morph" the status of his office at will to suit his political purposes.

Bowa, on this rare occasion I completely agree with you. Like little Andrew Sullivan (quoted above) how come it took you so long to get it - Cheney has broken so many laws so many times since 2001 and nobody has done anything about it. Why? Because he is In Charge. He is the Acting President. He is a menace to every American and our Constitution.
Impeach Dick Cheney NOW!

I certainly think when the administration had both houses, there were no checks and balances. This administration has gone further to ignore current laws and precident and work around the constitution with some pretty weak and shaky justification. We are also seeing a weak congress that is more concern about politics that doing the right thing and not only speaking out, but taking action. It's contributing to a futher eroding of confidence of not only the Presidency, but all branches of our government. If our Leaders are about the law, we are much closer to having Kings and Queens

I heard someone suggest that maybe we should return to the original way of determing the vice president: whoever gets the second highest number of electoral votes becomes the vice president. Today, this strategy would most likely mean that the pres and vp would not be of the same party.

Our Constitution's framers created the vice-presidency almost as an afterthought. In setting up a system for electing presidents, they devised an electoral college and provided that each of its members was to vote for two persons, "of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves." In those days when loyalty to one's state was stronger than to the new nation, the framers recognized that individual electors might be inclined to choose a leader from their own immediate political circle, creating the danger of a crippling deadlock, as no one candidate would win a plurality of all votes cast. By being required to select one candidate from outside their own states, electors would be compelled to look for individuals of national stature. Under the system the framers created, the candidate receiving the most electoral votes would be president. The one coming in second would be vice president.

In the election of 1800, however, the constitutional system for electing presidents broke down, as both Jefferson and Aaron Burr received the same number of electoral votes. This impasse threw the contest into the House of Representatives, where for thirty-five separate ballots, neither candidate was able to gain a majority. When the stalemate was finally broken, the House elected Jefferson president, thus making Aaron Burr our third vice president. Within four years of this deadlocked election, Congress had passed, and the necessary number of states had ratified, the Twelfth Amendment to the Constitution, instituting the present system wherein electors cast separate ballots for president and for vice president.

I don't know why you guys give Cheney such a hard time. He's a straight shooter.

Posted by OohRah at 2007-06-23 11:30 AM

And he will let you have it with both barrels too

Nothing is too good for Cheney to do for the average American, and nothing is what he does for them!

Imp*ach t*e b*m!

Doc and Tony - you have pretty much covered it... how can he claim executive privilege to not testify about any meetings with the OIL executives then claim he is not part of the executive branch to obey the law requiring disclosure of executive records?

So now I guess we have to decide whether we want to know about the OIL deals or the secret WAR deals.

I really hope we freeze his executive salary and benefits until this is decided.

These folks were sworn to protect and defend the Constitution and they use every chance they can get to bring it down and undermine it for their own nefarious purposes!

Who the fuck are these people working for?


Article 2 - The Executive Branch

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Again Cheney and Bush have made it quite clear:

"Go Fuck yourself America!"

To sit and read this thread and have one single American defending this surely shows how low our country has gone.

The really sad tragedy is our country will continue to fall faster than we can lower our standards unless our laws begin to mean somethin.

Each time our elected officials are allowed to break laws with open public awareness escalates laws broken by the public. It is viewed as laws don't matter.

Now just wait, the corporations will forbid their documents from laws under investigation.