And they're just getting started.

Exactly. The air in the big cities is already toxic, and the water undrinkable. My friends in China's big cities are careful not to order freshwater fish in restaurants.

Misleading description of the story. The chief greenhouse gas is water vapor.

What do we care as long as we have Walmart?

Sincerely,

Blind Consumerist Idealogists

This was actually an interesting article to me--I didn't know that cement production cost so much in terms of energy and pollutants. I would've assumed that of asphalt, maybe, but not concrete. I used to work for a concrete company, and it just didn't seem that way to me. Then again, I was the absolute lowest guy there--cleaning out cement mixers, lotta fun--but asphalt by comparison is nothing but crude oil, tar, and steam. Shows what I know.

Coyote,

It's alot more than walmart. Even in construction more and more manufacturing is going overseas.

Hey maybe that was the neo-con plan all along. Ship so much manufacturing to China that they suffocate in their own polution, then we walk in with solar powered tanks and free gas masks and they greet us with dead flowers and toxic chocolates.

RIR,

CO2 is released when burning fossil fuels not making fossil fuels into roads. So asphalt is actualy helping to keep that yucky carbon trapped.

RIR,

CO2 is released when burning fossil fuels not making fossil fuels into roads. So asphalt is actualy helping to keep that yucky carbon trapped.

Posted by TaoWarrior
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I can see that, maybe. But the manufacturing of concrete means you take cement mix, and add water. And unless there is a whole lot more to the manufacture of cement mix than I saw, I still don't see how the making of concrete demands that much energy.
I'll take their word for it, though.

That's all well and good, but it's still the most abundant "greenhouse gas" is it not?

So asphalt is actualy helping to keep that yucky carbon trapped.

Except that asphalt needs to be heated to be mixed and applied. Also, it realeases a great deal of smog causing VOCs in production and application, not to mention oils into ditches and water streams. On the bright side, it recycles easily.

Lets send Al Gore over there for a year or so. After a couple of his dry ass speaches they'll straighten up and fly right.

Clinker is a waste product from coal fired power plants.

Now I'm more confused than ever. Thus the phrase, "Ignorance is bliss".

"""Lets send Al Gore over there for a year or so. After a couple of his dry ass speaches they'll straighten up and fly right."""

Send boy dunder bush and his league of merry blunderers as strategic counsel to the business community: china's economy will implode within 4 years, garanteed. As an added bonus, they'll even find a way to take china's international standing and reputation even further into the shitter.

This was actually an interesting article to me--I didn't know that cement production cost so much in terms of energy and pollutants. I would've assumed that of asphalt, maybe, but not concrete. I used to work for a concrete company...

Re: Concrete vs. Cement.

Two different manufacturing processes.

I really have to laugh here. Not but a month ago I got into a heated debate on this sight with a few of the environatzis.

I stated this exact thing, and they kept posting stupid data about how they are environmentally more friendly then this nation. What a joke.

From the middle east through asia is a dump hole, except japan. Europe is slightly better but making a comparison to the U.S. is stupid.

"This was actually an interesting article to me"
Posted by rightisright at 2007-06-20 10:30 AM

YEAH!

Of course it's of interest to you! It gives you another excuse to point away from self and say "They do it to" as to absolve yourself of any "personal responsibility" of your own actions!

Damn it we are not number 1 ! Damn Chinese are beating us at everything it seems :(

Quit Hatin' REDNECKVILLE!

Panchovilla wrote,

"Send boy dunder bush and his league of merry blunderers as strategic counsel to the business community: china's economy will implode within 4 years"

Well the last time I looked our economy was doing fine. I am sure Bill Clinton would have like to seen the Dow at 13,600 not the 10,000 he left office with.

China is the world's manufacturing plant. The pollution coming out of it belongs to most of us and the responsibility should really be divvied up among the nations that produce the most Chinese goods.

Ten years ago I would have said "Chinese Crap" but for better or worse, the stuff coming out of that country now is as good as from anywhere else.

"as good as from anywhere else."


HAHAHHAHAHAHA

Sorry, salamada, but it's true.

Well lest see
their steel sucks
their plastic sucks
their wood is inferior
their electronics suck
their cars suck hard
their aircraft suck
and their craftsmanship on the whole sucks


they can build for cheep

um cheap

Damn them for wanting a developed country to live in! We're the only ones who deserve to be civilized!!!!!

"""Damn them for wanting a developed country to live in! We're the only ones who deserve to be civilized!!!!!"""

Doesn't give them a free pass to fuck the planet. Weren't they excluded from any of the kyoto conditions because they were a "developing country"?

Pancho,

So we should choose who lives and dies in developing countries because based on our computer models, they are "fucking the planet"?

Doesn't give them a free pass to fuck the planet.

Nor does it give sheltered and pampered rich fucks like yourself a free pass to impose an economically emasculating regulatory structure on a developing country just because you've already acquired affluence---and the luxury of self-loathing and guilt that comes with it.

"Doesn't give them a free pass to fuck the planet. Weren't they excluded from any of the kyoto conditions because they were a "developing country"?

Kyoto does jack shit
why do you think it is okay to force your flawed science or morals on another country trying to make life better for its people
each government need to decide if it will buy the hype and enforce its own environmental policy it is not our job to tell them anything. Stop treating china like a child that need to be told what to do and when to do and how many shakes it takes after a piss.

"Damn them for wanting a developed country to live in! We're the only ones who deserve to be civilized!!!!!"
Posted by the_nether at

YEAH!

Define "civilzed"!

Is your intent to define a lack of air conditioning as un-civilzed?

If so --- that's pretty shallow!

Define "civilized"!

i dont know
transportation
food
medicine
housing
pursuit of knowledge
just a few and the all pollute but the chinesse dont need these things right?

This was actually an interesting article to me--I didn't know that cement production cost so much in terms of energy and pollutants.

Posted by rightisright

It is making cement (the grey powder you add to gravel, sand, and water to make concrete) that uses all the energy. They pulverize the limestone and heat real hot it in a long rotart klin. Then they pulverize it again to get the cement. That is the readers digest version of the process.

America is no longer the planets #1 Polluter?

That's gotta sting, eh?

Still the Chinese are kinda cheating by not giving a flying fuck about enviromental controls. The Soviets had similar problems as Spud recalls.

It's a closed system.

We're all goldfish swimming in our own shit.

Some folks just don't get that.

Be Well.

We're not #1?

Bummer.

Maybe we'll beat them in gymnastics.

We're not #1?

By God we could be again.

If only we'd quit "outsourcin'" them maneefactrin jobs to the goddamn ChiComs like the "Common Dreams" sez we does.

If only we'd drag our knuckes a little lower and git more Protectionist.

Then, ever mornin', we could gather our hard hats with the "Buy Union" stickers on 'em, grab our lunch buckets, and march off in unison to work in the fac'tree on 'Sembly line---smiles on our faces and hummin' Pete Seger tunes!!

It's watcha want, ain't it?

Let's git 'er done.

#1 again!!

Pinche-
Are you a ideological lunatic in your daily life, or do you just portray one online?

Really though, Pinche, do you see every poloitical disagreement as a euro-socialist-commie plot against you, or is that just a hobby you engage in for our amusement?

Marxists pay him to remind us all of their existance.

IN Cognito-
Do bubble-boy Ayndians, ranting John Birchers and delusional Bushbots exist in equal percentages in physical space, or is it disease of the blogosphere?

Are you a ideological lunatic in your daily life, or do you just portray one online?

I'm not the guy who shows up to defend the proposition that public policy can alter macro-climate cycles.

do you see every poloitical disagreement as a euro-socialist-commie plot

Careful.

You just referred to dissent from your media-packaged scientific "consensus" as a poloitical disagreement.

This ain't poloitics, Boyd.

It's science.

Remember?

Where is the global warming alarmists outrage over China's emissions?

I am sure Bill Clinton would have like to seen the Dow at 13,600 not the 10,000 he left office with.

Posted by YouKnewWho at 2007-06-20 03:16 PM | Reply

The dow is not the only measure of economic health.

How about the deficit?

Trade deficit?

Gas prices?

Housing?

Foreclosures?

Wage growth?

Health insurance?

Poverty?

Net new jobs?

But keep on focusing on one small part of the economy to use it as the shining example of how great the economy is.

BTW whatever happened to the rhetoric pitched around in 2004 that the POTUS is not responsible for the stock market returns?

Well since you brought up the dow, lets compare the dow under Clinton to Bushling....

Dow 1/1992 $3,172
Dow 1/2000 $10,887
Gain $7,715 +243%

Dow 1/2000 $10,887
Dow 6/2007 $13,489
Gain $2,602 +23.9%

I am sure that Bushling would have loved to see a 243% increase in the Dow compared to a pitiful 23.9% increase.

oh please jimmy..........your argument is not realistic........once it got to that number, could it have risen have high.....is it even possible?
or would you be happier if it was down a large number........

hell of course you would be because bad news is good news to the left.

and please continue to make an issue of the economy...........it will play right into our hands.....as long as the media is not changing things and not telling the whole truth..........

and as always.....if a dem were in the white house there would be daily parades all over the country and front page in every newspaper......

BLT,

I am not the one making the arguement that the DJIA was the sole measuring gauge of the Busheconomic trainwreck.

Pointing out that DJIA of 13,000 vs 10,000 as the sole shining example of Dumbya's fiscal brilliance failed to take into account the growth during both presidencies.

But by right wing logic a 7 year 24% increase is better than an 8 year 243% increase right?

Please explain how an average growth rate of 3.5% is better than an average growth rate of 30%.

Nice try at working in the liberal media myth though.

"""So we should choose who lives and dies in developing countries because based on our computer models, they are "fucking the planet"?"""

No. We should make sure that their entire economy is not built on an obsolete production model. Would China not have been the best place to start testing the "new technology" that bush talks about all the time? Would this not have not only helped finding alternatives to today's problematic production parameters but also boost u.s. economy and technology.

"""Nor does it give sheltered and pampered rich fucks like yourself a free pass to impose an economically emasculating regulatory structure on a developing country just because you've already acquired affluence---and the luxury of self-loathing and guilt that comes with it."""

Wow. Off base buddy. I'm just stating that in a developing economy and industrial infrastructure, there might be ways to avoid the problems we are already aware of and that whether or not a country is qualified as "developing" or not, there is a responsibility vis-a-vis the environment.

Oh yeah, almost forgot: your meds will only work if you take them regularly.