Can we say it yet please?

Gotcha!

How about 140,000 years in a Federal Pen?
And-NOT a "Club Fed" either-he's an asswipe who deserves to worst treatment anyone can get.

SHAME.

And what is the DEMOCRATIC PARTY going to do about this? Nothing, remain as nothing has happened.

The problem is with the DEMOCRATIC PARTY. They knew and know about this but just let it continue.

This is what you support.

It's just a process crime.
Besides, McCain had a black baby, so you know what Karl did was morally correct.

The Right

But the line between official communications and partisan political messages seems to have been blurred.

They're one and the same now, thanks to shitbags like Rove.

DEMOCRATS NEED TO BRING THIS PUKE TO JUSTICE.

Rove Broke E-Mail Law 140,000 Times

Picky, Picky, Picky

DEMOCRATS...bringing someone to justice, roflmao.

Well good fir him.

Of course if he got around the law he really didn't break it!

You would have to know the content of these emails to know if any were about official government business. They may have been political or personal which Rove would have been required by law to use another email system.

Oh but go ahead and piss and moan democrats about how he broke the law and should be going to jail.

"Oh but go ahead and piss and moan democrats about how he broke the law and should be going to jail."

I am pissing and moaning as hard as I can. I say a year per count, but 10 percent off for good behavior. He can share a cell with Scooter. herm

Rove and his puppet will walk ... but most of civilization will despise their dirty little names.

Let me know when the clintons illegally lose a few million emails, dipshit.

Republicans could extend this investigation back to the end of the Clinton administration as well.

Because that is what republicans have done for 6 years. Ignore their own wrongdoing and cry about bill clinton.

The rapture needs to happen soon. I'm tired of you morons...Can all you all rise to heaven now and leave us normal people alone?

Sorry. It's been SEVEN years, children.

Time to grow up.

As I recall the Clinton administration spent years hiding emails even after numerous subpoenas were issued.

let's go back in time and prosecute carter.

It's the next logical step left when your golden boy W pisses on the law again. Pathetic.

The DEMOCRATIC PARTY has done nothing and will do nothing.

They are afraid of the Fox news Babes making fun of them on national TV.

What are they doing about this law breaking particularly, since it was pointed out to me today by BB, when the DEMOCRATIC PARTY "voted" on ethics reform.

What are they doing other than nothing. Point at the republican party and this administration all you want but what is the democratic party doing other than capitulating to nothingness.

The funniest thing is that ol' Bill is like some over achieving older brother that the poor little neo-con slobbering idiots can't shake.

Their boy lost the cheese off his cracker a long time ago and is all they're left with in the "well my dad can beat up your dad" tauntfest.

Bill overshadows the criminality in the Bush administration simply because the lamefest, "well if (insert Bushie name here) broke the law in huge proportion... Bill got a blow job!!!" is all the Bush supporters can muster anymore.

It just really be painful being the last off the short bus in front of the whole school population, and your older brother the captain of the football team and valedictorian to boot standing there watching you pick up your books off the ground, yet again.

OK, so it looks like we now have two defenses for the republicans.

1) Well Clinton...
2) Well, the democratic party isn't doing anything about it...

MONEYWAR, are you really telling us that the Republicans need Democrats as their moral compass?

No, I am telling you the democrats are saying they are the moral compass. What a joke that is huh!

I am also soying all this finger pointing at the neocons and party is stupid when the dog shit is in our own backyard.

What is the DEMOCRATIC PARTY doing about the law breaking??????????????????????
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NOTHING!!!!!! If fact what is the DEMOCRATIC PARTY DOING AT ALL?

Nothing.

"What is the DEMOCRATIC PARTY doing about the law breaking?"

Investigating.

What did the Republican party, in power for the last 6 years, do about the law breaking? What positive things have the Republicans done to make you want to vote them back into total power?

No but every time some lame ass democrat talks about something they think Bush has done we simply show how it happened under Clinton and you sorry ass bastards just looked the other way.

Oh and so did Janet Reno.

Gee, what a choice here -

A party that has actively broken laws for years and impeded every attampt to investigate it, resorting at last to threatening to investigate a previous administration in retaliation;

Or a party that has been out of power most of the time, and immediately started investigating lawbreaking when they got back into power?

Granted, I'm sure the Dems are loving this, but at the end of the day, they're the ones with the law on their side. For the Republicans to cry foul, as though the "law" is some underhanded political trick, says a lot about their real dedication to this country.

Ironically, all of this could have been avoided if the Bush admin hadn't set themselves up as above the law. So many of the things they're getting dinged on could have been done legally if they'd cared enough about the Constitution to do the hard work. I think it's amazing they could even find this many lazy and arrogant people.

Some of us didn't support Clinton either.

Do you have anything of substance to say to those of us who thought Clinton was bad, but Rove breaking the law 140,000 times is even worse? Shouldn't we Republicans demand better from our elected officials? Why should anyone in the Bush administration get a pass on wrongdoing because someone in a prior administration might have done as much or worse?

Danforth,

What did the Republican party, in power for the last 6 years, do about the law breaking? What positive things have the Republicans done to make you want to vote them back into total power?

What?

I have answered this quite often but you seem to have retard reading skills of late.

You don't understand the point being made so you construct some obtuse sequentur to fit in your constructed reality.

I could careless about the republican party, they are lost.

What part of that don't you understand. My posts are about the DEMOCRATIC PARTY and changing the do nothing actions they clearly show themselves to be.

I know you don't care if they do nothing it is just the party vote you are interested in.

Sorry your not keen on trying to fix this addiction problem of our party sides.

Insanity is thy name!

And I know it's an internet thing, but I really do think the reliance on the Clinton Deflection says a lot about the Bush/Koolaide mindset.

You all put so much effort into winning the argument - even though no one concedes your point - that you can convince yourself that if you can make 2 + 2 = 5 in your minds, it really IS 5.

Granted, this has worked for Bush in swaying public opinion in the US, but that's been based largely on a reluctance American's have to believe their President is flat-out lying to them. None of these arguments go anywhere outside the US, and our power and influence are suffering as a result. And Iraq is the best example of 2 + 2 equalling 4 you could get. They just can't believe that a tortured argument isn't the same as reality.

Some Americans will go to their graves insisting Saddam was behind 911, we found WMDs in Iraq, and that Bush was the greatest President ever. Just don't ask them to balance you checkbook.

Dan,


I haven't had an opportunity to check into this story. Nevertheless, I need to respond to this:


Why should anyone in the Bush administration get a pass on wrongdoing because someone in a prior administration might have done as much or worse?


Short answer: They shouldn't.


Your frustration with this level of deflectionist, apologist partisanship is more common than you realize.

Need proof?


Click "Sully's" profile and witness the EXACT same degree of zero-sum, Clinton apologist bullshit he battled in the last week.


PS - I am sure you can find plenty of Bush partisans posting crap on this site too. It's just that Sully's recent Clinton apologist arguments stand out in my mind.

I haven't seen any proof that Rove broke any law once much less 140,000 times.

Of course if he did there must have been no controlling legal authority. Sounds familiar like something Al Gore would say when he accepted campaign contributions on religious property. Yeah that law got violated and I don't see Gore sitting in no jail cell. Hmmm laws are only meant to be followed by republicans I guess.

"Hmmm laws are only meant to be followed by republicans I guess."

Laws don't ONLY apply to Republicans, but YES, they have to follow them.

And what is the DEMOCRATIC PARTY going to do about this? Nothing, remain as nothing has happened.

The problem is with the DEMOCRATIC PARTY. They knew and know about this but just let it continue.

This is what you support.

Posted by moneywar

You're sounding like JJDJ. I support the fact that we're FINALLY getting some oversight. The only thing that bothers me is there is SO much to uncover.

One misdeed after another by the Republicans.

Bitch about the DEED being investigated. It SHOULD trouble you no matter what party you're with that one unethical and/or illegal thing after another has been committed by Bush and the boys.

This was just another systematic act in their quest for perpetual one party rule. Thank God the voters showed up last November and stopped whatever devious plans they had.

The clock is running out on politicians everywhere who break the law with impunity and laugh that the public will never get its act together to throw the bums out.

It happened in Pennsylvania after the legislature passed big pay raises for themselves under cover of a late-night session, and the judges (getting raises too) proved complicit--and all knew the public opposed the raises.

Pennsylvanians (and their newspapers) united in a statewide grass-roots campaign to throw all incumbents out, no matter what their party. It worked quite well, and elected officials there learned the meaning of fear. They started behaving themselves. The ones who still had jobs.

As for Mr. Rove, one day in jail for each count. Leniency.

You do the math.

Hmmm laws are only meant to be followed by republicans I guess.

Posted by YouKnewWho



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Lay off turd blossom. The deciderer says he's a righteous dude and we should give him the benefit of the doubt. Those 140,000 e-mails could have easily been sent through the wrong set of tubes that make up the internets.

140,000 instances in which Karl rove clicked the "give me a bigger penis" button in his emails.

Give the MC Rove two months per infraction. That comes out to 23,333 years in my calculations.

Even if we give him one DAY per, that's 383 years.

And one hour per would still net 15.98 years. I'd settle for that.

... Yeah, right. Nothing's going to come of it. Nothing.

Sorry. It's been SEVEN years, children.

Time to grow up.

Posted by I_N_Cognito at 2007-06-20 12:49 AM

Like the seven minutes I spent throwing up two weeks ago when I had a stomach flu. It actually became hard to distinguish the individual minutes after about three because they all kind of blended into one long miserable moment :-P

President Bush, in a statement this morning, said that anyone in his administration who is caught breaking the law 140,001 times will not be fired from his administration.

The number of violations needs to be higher to be of any significance.

Does it really matter if Rove goes to jail or not? I know, we'd all like to see these bums doing hard time but the truth is, it isn't going to happen.

Personally I prefer the drip-drip-drip method of publically exposing these neo-con nutcases.

Death by a thousand paper cuts, so to speak.

The important thing is to get them out of power and keep them there . . . hopefully forever. I don't care if they end up on a rock pile or in a rocking chair. As long as they get stopped.

Al Gore invented the internet for the sole purpose of making the GOP look bad.

It looks like they were actually able to recover the 140,000 emails. Right? And what if these are not official correspondence? I guess it's not really 140,000 counts then.

Has law been broken here? Are you sure?

Geez

""Has law been broken here? Are you sure?""

To y'all it depends. If it was the Clinton administration then yes you would say a law was broken but since it's the Bush administration then things become more complex.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the democrats on the Hill are going to flap their arms and flap their gums and make a whole lot of noise...and end up doing NOTHING ABOUT THIS! Of COURSE the current occupant of the White House and his co-horts are criminals! Of COURSE they all belong in prison! But is Congress going to do anything about it? Ha!

Investigate! Indict! Impeach! Lock 'em up and throw away the key!

"Of COURSE they all belong in prison!
Investigate! Indict! Impeach! Lock 'em up and throw away the key!"

Yes, and regardless of the charge, of course. Shit, just shoot them.

But when some idiot takes a bread knife on a plane, God forbid you even fine them. What about our rights to knives on planes!

Bush will probably waste taxpayer money by allowing this to go to trial just to pardon him towards the end of his term. Scooter will be pardoned too, but he may spend up to a year in jail first.

Actually, I bet nothing happens to Rove at all.

The Dems seem to think there will be a backlash if they go after anybody. I disagree. They will look worse if they investigate all these things and get no convictions. There are ways to find who destroyed all of those emails. Find them first and then put the squeeze on.

Does anyone have a full listing of everything this Administration has done that was or was perceived as illegal or immoral? It would be nice to have everything in a nice tidey list.

My republican buddy at work, who hasn't brought up politics since the election, just came in my office with his latest jewel. Supposedly, Fox news told him the Congress approval ratings had fallen to horrible numbers that that just went to show how bad the leadership is there.

I sighed and sent him a list of Congressional approval ratings for the last 3 years. The Dems are a little bit higher than the Repubes were for those three years.

I think we need many many more independents. The words Democrats and Republicans are becoming bad words. Its about time we had a real revolution in this country.

Rant Rant Rant

Are Rove's credentials unimpeachable?

Sorry BenFranklinn I have 8 fingers 2 thumbs 10 toes and after that I can't count no more. Sorry

Larry

**** Rove Broke E-Mail Law 140,000 Times ****

......thats what republicans call self-restraint........

What law has been broken? Are you sure?

"Has law been broken here? Are you sure?"

Yes, and yes. The law requires administrations to pro-actively preserve the emails. And I'd respectfully suggest the ability to produce them on demand is the key factor in preservation.

Whether there is law-breaking contained in the communications, we may never know. And it doesn't matter. The very fact they were destroyed, or cannot be produced on demand, violates the law.

Larry:
Mail.

So no one has anything to say about the bald-faced lying that Tony Snow did yesterday?

The silence is deafening....

If the D's pursue the issue, it won't be the Clinton era that will be checked. It'll be the current use of email by all in Congress.

I doubt that Rove is the only one in Washington bypassing the system. Does anyone really believe that the House and Senate use their emails within the law as well as private email accounts?

It doesn't excuse Rove, but it is hard to start investigations if the requestor has one guilty person in the party.

The article says that you can use the RNC email address for non-business purposes. The 140,000 number is the total number of emails he sent, and it certainly doesn't say that all of them were for business purposes. Therefore, even if what he did is against the law, he most likely did not break it "140,000 times."

And if what he did is against the law, then I hope he is prosecuted. If it's so clear that he broke it I'd have to wonder why nobody's going after him.

BenF:

I think I saw a list on allspinzone.com

Oh the humanity, Oh the injustice. Us democrats just can't stand the Bush administration and republicans so we keep looking for ways to try to vilify them in the public. It doesn't matter that we really don't have anything or that we aren't getting anything done in congress. No all that matters is that we try to get them any way we can.

Signed, Spud, Buffalo Bob, Tony Roma, and the rest of the gang.

The 140,000 number is the total number of emails he sent, and it certainly doesn't say that all of them were for business purposes. Therefore, even if what he did is against the law, he most likely did not break it "140,000 times."

Do you understand that it is also ILLEGAL to work on political matters when one is being paid by all taxpayers in a government position? Do you think that Rove was at home or away from the White House when all these 140,000 emails were sent? If not, he's still in trouble for violating the standing law.

Bribing Congress is also a crime. Passing Bills that help Contributors could be seen as quid pro quo.

It's illegal, but who could start the investigation that has stayed clean?

Lets see Tony, by your way of looking at it when Bill Clinton had campaign contributors stay in the Lincoln bedroom and ate dinner with them he would be guilty of a crime of doing politics in the white house.

"it is also ILLEGAL to work on political matters when one is being paid by all taxpayers in a government position"

Really? Is Barack Obama breaking the law right now campaigning for president even though he's supposedly my Senator? News to me!

Is he using his Senate office to run his Presidential campaign Joe? Does he force his Senate staff to do campaign work on the government's dime? I already differentiated between Rove's personal time and that when he's inside the White House. Why do you think its illegal to make fundraising calls from the government's phones?

"Is he using his Senate office to run his Presidential campaign Joe?"

Rove is accused of using an outside email account with a blackberry. How do you know he was in his office?

"Really? Is Barack Obama breaking the law right now campaigning for president even though he's supposedly my Senator? News to me!

Posted by JOE"

Shockingly ignorant.

It is illegal to use government resources and employees for political purposes. It is most assuredly illegal to make fundraising calls from the WH, or from a Senate or House office, to use staff to make the calls,, even to use a stamp paid for out of government funds.

It is not illegal to run for public office while holding public office.

"Rove is accused of using an outside email account with a blackberry. How do you know he was in his office?"

How do you know he wasn't? See, thats why we have i n v e s t i g a t i o n s - to see if there has been wrong-doing. Thats sorta how our legal system is set up. And that is why it is a b a d thing to lie about, or obstruct those investigations.

Didn't do anything wrong? Then nothing to worry about, right!?

If the Blackberry and the service used are paid for by the US Taxpayers, it doesn't matter where he was when he used it.

Do you think that Rove was at home or away from the White House when all these 140,000 emails were sent? If not, he's still in trouble for violating the standing law.

Posted by tonyroma at 2007-06-20 12:38 PM

I wish people would read what I write and use common sense in understanding that I left it open for proof as to whether he violated the law or not.