I guess the pressing question becomes can the DOJ get anything else done other than this unending series of investigations surrounding its own practices and personnel? And before the usual chorus of apologists begin, this investigation was instituted internally due to Gonzales' testimony and that of Monica Goodling seemingly pointing out obvious contradictions and possible witness tampering on the part of the Attorney General.

Honestly, can those believing in the Bush Administration continue to be blind to the incompetence and cronyism ruining the one department of government responsible for making sure the laws of this nation are fairly applied, even in the Oval Office itself?

Has there ever been a democratic congress that tried to stop everything the president tries to do? He can't appoint anyone to anything anymore. There has never been a congress that has blocked so many appointments. Congress has nothing but contempt for smooth the operation of our government. All appointments have to be extremly liberal to get a congressional approval. That ain't the way it was designed to work.

Gonzales has brought all this contempt down upon himself.

If he wants Democrats to love him he needs to find some religious group, preferably in the South, and murder 74 of them by burning down their home.

That's how an AG earns the respect of the Left.

It wouldn't hurt to send a few refugees back to Cuba. (Where everyone gets free health care.)

""All appointments have to be extremly liberal to get a congressional approval.""

So, are you saying no appointments have gone through since the Dems took control of Congress who weren't libruls????
Is that what you are saying????
Or are you just, as always, running your mouth and just making no sense???

""It wouldn't hurt to send a few refugees back to Cuba.""

Oh,, you mean send children back to live with their natural parents. Gosh, I guess Republicans are opposed to that cuz they stand for "family values."

Vermin's Revisionist History 101.

Ignoring the tapes of the Dravidians talking about and setting the fires, tapes that were played at their trial, makes for some great talking points, eh, Verm?

Has there ever been a democratic congress that tried to stop everything the president tries to do? He can't appoint anyone to anything anymore. There has never been a congress that has blocked so many appointments. Congress has nothing but contempt for smooth the operation of our government. All appointments have to be extremly liberal to get a congressional approval. That ain't the way it was designed to work.

Seems you haven't gotten the memo yet Sniper. Bush's problems aren't with his appointees awaiting confirmation, they're with his appointments that prove to be incompetent or criminally corrupted after they've tried to do their jobs.

By the way, more Bush 43 nominees have been confirmed by this Congress than were Clinton's at the same point of his presidency by the then Republican-led Congress. Check your facts better next time, okay?

"Honestly, can those believing in the Bush Administration continue to be blind to the incompetence and cronyism ruining the one department of government responsible for making sure the laws of this nation are fairly applied, even in the Oval Office itself?"

Posted by tonyroma at 2007-06-15 08:53 AM

Of course they can. I refer you to Vernon, on this very thread.

Davidians

That ain't the way it was designed to work.

Posted by Sniper


The bush WH couldn't make all of its appointments when they had a Republican congress. What the hell are you talking about. This is just part of their incompetence

Oops.
"Of course they can. I refer you to Vernon, on this very thread."

Posted by Gargoyle at 2007-06-15 10:59 AM

I was refering to Sniper, actually.

""All appointments have to be extremly liberal to get a congressional approval. That ain't the way it was designed to work.""

What Sniper must be referring to when he whines about Dems and Bush appointees is that he believes Gonzalez should be fired but they can't because then Bush would have to nominate someone acceptable to the Senate. That would present a problem considering that the Senate would probably require someone who would actually use the Justice Dept. to enforce the laws of the US instead of as a political tool of the Republican Party. I think that is what he means by being too liberal. And yes, that is the way it is supposed to work.

This has been a common theme throughout the Bush presidency, a basic contempt for the Constitution (it's just a scrap of paper), the legislative process, the opinions of other people, and the little people in general. President Bush got very high marks following the 9/11 disaster but, I wonder, what president wouldn't have? It's a simple formula; appear in public early and often, speak reassuring words, have the professional intelligence and military arms find out who did it, then go punish them (I'm referring to the Al Quaeda-Taliban connection in Afghanistan, not the following invasion of Iraq). Al Gore or John McCain would have done about the same thing.

The actions of AG Gonzales merely mirror those of his boss. It just makes my head spin to see how these people continuously, brazenly, openly thumb their noses at the American people, and are not called to task for it. They appear to believe they can get away with doing whatever they want, and, so far, they are right. They are right because all to many people are apathetic or just lazy. All of you need to contact your senators and representatives, whether (D) or (R) and demand they take serious action now, to preserve what is left of our country. Make your voice heard.

If he wants Democrats to love him he needs to find some religious group, preferably in the South, and murder 74 of them by burning down their home.
Posted by vernon at 2007-06-15 10:48 AM


YEAH!

Now that's an example of how you give Terrorists what they deserve! Maybe Bush could take some queues to how it's supposed to be done!

Reborn...

I couldn't have said it better myself. Bravo....

Has there ever been a democratic congress that tried to stop everything the president tries to do?

Yeah, them Drmocrats were all over him and his immigration bill. Ever think that the Democrats, like the vast majority of Americans have come to the conclusion that Bush can't do anything right, and it's probably a good thing to stop him for doing more stupid things?

And Vernon, nice to see you still support child rape and mass murder as long as its done in the name of the Lord. When does your honorary al queda membership badge arrive?
Does it come with a calculator with a lululululu function?

I really wonder where the Bush presidency would be had there been no 9/11 attacks. Would President Bush's administration have made significant, positive improvements in this country's domestic and foreign policies, or would all this bumbling have still taken place? Sort of a chicken/egg question; is all the mind-bending mishandling of the country the result of becoming mired in an ill-conceived war he can't find a way out of; or is the war the result of not just incompetence but wrongdoing?

I know I'll get blasted for changing the subject of the thread, but what the hell. I supported, and still do, the decision to go into Afghanistan. If we had stopped there, and concentrated our efforts to completing the transformation of that country; would we be in a better place now, or would the occupation of Afghanistan have drawn the same problems we now have in Iraq? If President Bush did not have a mishandled war on his hands, would he be doing a better job of running the country? Sometimes I wonder if these issues, like AG Gonzales, are results of incompetence, or cleverly thought out distractions to draw our attention away from more serious wrongdoing.

""I really wonder where the Bush presidency would be had there been no 9/11 attacks.""

I wonder where the Bush presidency would be had there been no PNAC.

If you go to PNAC's website and look around for a bit, read some of the letters, and get an idea of the big picture they support, you will come away very disturbed. The assumption of global superiority, and the inferred mandate of global leadership, sounds hauntingly familiar to what was coming out of North Central Europe a century or so ago. Additionally disturbing are some of the names involved in the Project.

"Has there ever been an Administration that showed such obvious contempt for the Rule of Law as well as Congress' role in governing this nation?"

"Has there ever been a democratic congress that tried to stop everything the president tries to do?"

Perhaps the second reference was the 'nuclear option'.

It is amazing that we have to even wonder about any administration or congress by either party - neither party has really proven themselves, in a very long time, to be anything but corrupt.

If he wants Democrats to love him he needs to find some religious group, preferably in the South, and murder 74 of them by burning down their home.

That's how an AG earns the respect of the Left.

It wouldn't hurt to send a few refugees back to Cuba. (Where everyone gets free health care.)

Posted by vernon at 2007-06-15 10:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

74 people all in the same home?

Let me guess......double wide?

neither party has really proven themselves, in a very long time, to be anything but corrupt

But there are degrees, and in this regard, Bush's Administration has exceeded that of most of their predecessors by a long shot. To my knowledge, Congress doesn't ignore laws, abrogate treaties, and subvert constitutional guarantees, but maybe it just my own admittedly biased view that sees these things....not....

74 people all in the same home?

Let me guess......double wide?

"Must be Hispanics....You know they're blessed with the gift of family...."

The late Reggie White

Has there ever been a democratic congress that tried to stop everything the president tries to do? He can't appoint anyone to anything anymore. There has never been a congress that has blocked so many appointments. Congress has nothing but contempt for smooth the operation of our government. All appointments have to be extremly liberal to get a congressional approval. That ain't the way it was designed to work.

Posted by Sniper


Good grief what drivel. Do you even bother to check your facts before you post?

"They are only worth scorn, and fit objects for nothing but mockery. One just doesn't joust with them in honorable intellectual combat. It's not done."



......and so it shall be. Mockery and Scorn for all who love Bush, Especially YOU, BL2.

I mock and scorn you!

COMMON: I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

BL2: Is there someone else up there we can talk to?

COMMON: No, now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.

I wonder if these issues, like AG Gonzales, are results of incompetence, or cleverly thought out distractions to draw our attention away from more serious wrongdoing.

Posted by ReBorn

no guessing here. Bush was incompetent in everything else he did, from his imaginary military service to running a baseball team to his time in the oil business. He screwed up everything he touched.

Bush was incompetent in everything else he did, from his imaginary military service to running a baseball team to his time in the oil business. He screwed up everything he touched.

Bad-luck Schlep-rock incarnate....

Bushco is like a bad virus. It would eventually destroy the body as it consumes all available resources in its quest for total domination of the Soul of America.

The American Body Politic sloooowly has begun to to defend itself. The Checks and Balances are the defense mechanisms of the Body Politic. Even the DOJ has begun to send antibodies kill off this terrible virus that is destroying the American system of Justice.

Unfortunately, curing a disease that has become so rampant and so entrenched in the American system will take a long time and WE the voters have big part to play in saving the body. I hope we are up to the task.

Personally I think I might need morphine while we wait for the vaccine to take effect as the whole ordeal is quite painful to live through.

So please...Let the Checks and Balances continue!

Meanwhile, please pass the pipe... and hurry up January 2009!

and hurry up January 2009!


Posted by donnerboy

here, here...

In intellectual circles this has a specific name.

A good start.

The actions of AG Gonzales merely mirror those of his boss. It just makes my head spin to see how these people continuously, brazenly, openly thumb their noses at the American people, and are not called to task for it. - Reborn

But Reborn, Gonzales' department is now investigating the matter of Gonzales. What could be fairer or more above-board than that?

Gonzales' department is now investigating the matter of Gonzales. What could be fairer or more above-board than that?

Its taken the obtuseness of Gonzales to make Ashcroft look like a champion of American laws and personal liberty. Do we need a permanent Office of Governmental Conduct, who's employees are chosen by members of both parties, to oversee investigations of the Department of Justice and their employees?

Would this be preferable to the appointments of Special Prosecutors?

Ask the American Indian about our US Gov't. It's normal.

What could be fairer or more above-board than that?

Posted by sitdown at 2007-06-15 03:11 PM

actually that is like me investigating my boss isn't it? Probably more like Internal Affairs investigating the LA Police Dept...


It IS a good start... but I think a Special Prosecutor is in order here.