Correctly stated:

I have SPREAD a lot of smear and hatred since Casey was killed

-Cindy Sheehan

She can get back to her porn now on a full time basis.

I feel bad that she lost her son. I feel she went about things the wrong way in her protests. I hope she can repair her relationships with her living children because in the end they have suffered the most.

Feel the love, Sarvkov, feel the love. What would your mother say?

Good-bye America ... you are not the country that I love and I finally realized no matter how much I sacrifice, I can't make you be that country unless you want it.

Witness the discussion, now going on in the Some Gave Their All thread and ask yourself a simple question.

Does Cindy like her country more than she dislikes it, or vise versa?

I don't think she's worthy of continuing to be an American with statements like the above. Too bad there wasn't a way to revolk citizenship for those naturally born in the country.

There are huge constituencies that believe, as you did Cindy, that there is a worthy cause in ending the Iraq war. Giving up the fight isn't the issue. The way you just did however, is.

Good-bye Cindy and please don't come back.

"Good-bye America ... you are not the country that I love and I finally realized no matter how much I sacrifice, I can't make you be that country unless you want it.

It's up to you now"

She blasted the right.
They blasted her back.
Then she blasted the left.
They blasted her back.

And now she's burnt out.

Now she's giving up on the being the "public face" of the anti-war movement.

She fought a good fight but at the end of the day there is little to no connection between public will and government policy.

Until enuff people wake up to that fact the war is gonna go on.

All the wars will go on.

Be Well.

I would venture to guess that Cindy being of more gentler sensibilities just had enough of the assholes. It is not our place to ask whether she likes her country, more or less than we do. And to question her patriotism, MC, and to wonder whether you can revoke her citizenship because you don't like her viewpoint, is pathetic. So, by your logic, I QUESTION YOURS. asshole. Leave her alone, what she has gone through you will never know. Are you an Egyptian, or an American? I think she has done enough, far fucking more than you will ever do.

Coyote, she just told you, and all other citizens of the US of A that they aren't up to her standards and they can only be if they want to.

A big F U to her and I belived in her peace movement. Still do.

I'm happy to "leave her alone". I just think she should "leave" the larger part of America alone that she just trashed in that statement.

COYOTE ONE: It's sad to see cretins like Bowa disrespecting our brave soldiers. CC, keep up the good work.


COYOTE TWO, ONE DAY LATER: Bowa, you just gained a good deal of repect from your last post. You nailed it exactly, Lefties love this country as much as righties.Thank You. Nothing is gained by pointing fingers and accusing loyalties.





Now what would YOUR mama say? Mine would say, "Make up your mind".

She also says, "Go home Cindy".

Good-bye America ... you are not the country that I love and I finally realized no matter how much I sacrifice, I can't make you be that country unless you want it.

It's up to you now.

You obviously do not have a clue as to what She says right Here. She Loves the Old America NOT the New. That is what SHe means by Stating She says Goodbye America. It is Bush's AMerica with which She is saying Goodbye to. The one that is in the Here and now.

Larry

Mr. C,

Typical of so many in the political spectrum of idiocy, your take on Cindy exudes such.

In fact, I feel a sense of sadness that such a candle of an individual lit the fire under this nation to begin questioning the death of our soldiers and for what purpose.

Standing in the wake of her accomplishments is seeing you like a BB in a four lane highway.

The fact that you convolute the meaning of her sadness in Americas attitude of what is being American saddens not just her but all who come in contact with you.

YOU ARE NOT UP TO HER STANDARDS - live with it!

In fact MrCairo, Cindy is talking about people like you who have taken this country of freedom and liberty and made it what it is today.

Sad isn't it!

Dear Cindy Sheehan

When you become a political figure or spokesperson for a cause, you viewpoints will be praised as well as being criticized.

Nobody likes to be criticized, we all like to be accepted but this is not reality in the real world. You have to accept other people's opinions of you as well.

You stated, However, when I started to hold the Democratic Party to the same standards that I held the Republican Party, support for my cause started to erode and the "left" started labeling me with the same slurs that the right used.

Many conservatives have always argued that the Democratic Party doesn't hold to the same standard as everyone else...I know the reason you didn't give credit to the conservatives was the fact that you don't like them...

You make a statement that would deem you as a "radical", a label in which you detest.

...I believe that partisan politics should be left to the wayside when hundreds of thousands of people are dying for a war based on lies that is supported by Democrats and Republican alike

Cindy, let me remind you, that 100s of 1000s haven't died in a war that you were against. I believe over 3400 troops have died, and a lot more Iraqis have died at the hands of terrorists not US troops.

In closing, I like to remind you that being a public figure only lasts for so long, and the media attention focused on you was progressively getting smaller and smaller. In fact, I have heard nothing from you in the media in several weeks after the election. I believe you knew that as well and this factored into your decision to leave the public life of an anti-war spokesperson.

I feel sad for your loss of your son who was a hero in my eyes, but not sad that you have quit...

How far you've strayed from what I said MW. Odd - you usually see the point being made. The fevered descriptions as well seem over the top for you. Something the matter?

So long Cindy, the cowards (you know who you are) called you names because that's all they got.
I hope you find peace and happiness.

How far you've strayed from what I said MW. Odd - you usually see the point being made. The fevered descriptions as well seem over the top for you. Something the matter?

I understood your point, just thought it was misplaced.

Cindy was the candle spark that lit the fire in this country and to trounce on her disappointment at how America is treating her is one thing but to move it farther into anti-patriotic is quite another.

If you immediately see the candle is fire, the meal has already been cooked.

She has more balls than half the men in America.

I use to think the Democratic Party cared about how the war was going, but discovered that is not true. All their words are all talk. The first and obvious issue was the fact they refused to improve lower ethical standards the Repubs put in place

I think what she wrote is more pro-American than anything I have heard coming from either the Republican or Democrat so-called "leaders" in the last few weeks.

Sheehan apparently has more guts and more patriotism in her little finger than do the leaders of either party.

READ her words:

...However, when I started to hold the Democratic Party to the same standards that I held the Republican Party, support for my cause started to erode and the "left" started labeling me with the same slurs that the right used.

I guess no one paid attention to me when I said that the issue of peace and people dying for no reason is not a matter of "right or left", but "right and wrong."

I am deemed a radical because I believe that partisan politics should be left to the wayside when hundreds of thousands of people are dying for a war based on lies that is supported by Democrats and Republican alike.

It amazes me that people who are sharp on the issues and can zero in like a laser beam on lies, misrepresentations, and political expediency when it comes to one party refuse to recognize it in their own party.

Blind party loyalty is dangerous whatever side it occurs on. People of the world look on us Americans as jokes because we allow our political leaders so much murderous latitude and if we don't find alternatives to this corrupt "two" party system our Representative Republic will die and be replaced with what we are rapidly descending into with nary a check or balance: a fascist corporate wasteland.

I am demonized because I don't see party affiliation or nationality when I look at a person, I see that person's heart. If someone looks, dresses, acts, talks and votes like a Republican, then why do they deserve support just because he/she calls him/herself a Democrat?....

Cindy, let me remind you, that 100s of 1000s haven't died in a war that you were against. I believe over 3400 troops have died, and a lot more Iraqis have died at the hands of terrorists not US troops....

The esteemed British medical journal -- The Lancet -- proved that over 500,000 people have died in Iraq since 2003 and the majority have died because of BUSH bombing Iraq, destroying their hospitals, lack of medicine, dirty drinking water, lack of decent food, proper shelter and hygenic surroundings, and the most needed Iraqi professionals-- doctors, nurses, etc. -- have now left the country by the millions.

Yes, a few thousand Iraqis are killed every month now that Iraq has descended into a quasi-religious/power grab civil war among various insurgent groups and outside terrorists like al-Qaeda but the number of Iraqis killed by them does not even come close to the more than 500,000 total of dead Iraqis caused by Bush attacking their country. Even the Iraqis' civil war would not have happened had Bush not ILLEGALLY attacked Iraq.

Mr Cairo

You are not an American. You know nothing of America or American values. People like you make this country weak.

"However, when I started to hold the Democratic Party to the same standards that I held the Republican Party, support for my cause started to erode and the "left" started labeling me with the same slurs that the right used."

Gee Cindy YA THINK!!! Of course you were used as a political tool by the Democrats.

Old protesters nver die they just fade away! Good riddance.

I have sypathized with this woman over the loss of her son. I have disagreed with some of the ways she has protested.

However, I see her point...she is disappointed that this country has taken the turn it has.

I feel her disappointment. Especially with the Democrats of late.

I think her love of this country is much deeper than some of you are giving her credit for.

""I don't think she's worthy of continuing to be an American with statements like the above.""

You aren't worthy of calling yourself a human being. Cindy Sheehan is more American than any of y'all right wing idiots. Hey, your kids in Iraq yet???

I feel sorry for any mother who loses her son in a war she doesn't believe in.

All those who deride her have never lost a son obviously.

I can't imagine her pain. I'd probably have been out there screaming my head off too.

The demonization of Cindy Sheehan is of a piece with the True Believers' tar-and-feather approach to anyone who refuses to partake of their gospel d'jour.

well allamerican.....I deride her with great energy every chance SHE gave me.
I found her little farewell speach to be pathetic and sad and little more than a blame everyone else for her troubles. I salute her son and his memory and lets not forget his sacrifice here on the day to remember those things and lets also remember that he VOLUNTEERED And even re-upped if I am not mistaken.......so its not like he was dragged off and hijacked to iraq......unless he only joined to get dental and an education and didnt think they would send him into war.
and here may be one thing that is good for the country with a democratic congress.

oh yeah and one more thing....she may have spent all her money but there was a lot of other people's money that she spent as well.........

I have endured a lot of smear and hatred since Casey was killed and especially since I became the so-called "Face" of the American anti-war movement.

She can't possibly be serious in playing the victim... that's one of the silliest things I've ever heard.

I'm guessing that this is going to turn out to be the typical Drudge Retort "I'm leaving forever!" post only to return 15 minutes later...

My final word...forever. I will not be posting on this site again. Apparently some people can't make commentary without resorting to rude, ugly, unfounded comments about people's family members. It's not worth it. Be good all of you. I'm out of here.

Posted by ratso2 at 2007-02-26 05:38 AM

As a person who has children, I can imagine no greater sorrow than to loose a child.

I feel Cindy Sheehan was used by the Democrats to further their hate Bush policies. When she was no longer useful they discarded her.

To loose a child and then to be used in this way has to be devastating. I hope Cindy gets some professional counseling and help. First to deal with her grief over her son and the for the betrail of those who used her.

I wish her well in this life. I cannot hold malice toward anyone who has suffered the loss of a child.

I feel Cindy Sheehan was used by the Democrats to further their hate Bush policies. When she was no longer useful they discarded her.


She's still useful in that she drummed up support for the anti-war movment and kept it going and kept it in the press... the problem the Democrats had was that she turned that movement on some of them. Everything was fine and dandy as long as she was attacking Bush/Cheney and the GOP... once she started talking about Democrats it was time for her to go.

""She can't possibly be serious in playing the victim...""

Oh no, George Bush is the victim. All the soldiers who died in Iraq did so just to make him look bad.
Poor George, he is so misunderstood.
Poor Rob, he is too. Both are really good people who have sacrificed so much for their country and shouldn't have to put up with the criticism from bullies like Cindy Sheehan.

""I salute her son and his memory""

I am sure he doesn't want your salute and probably, were he still alive, would kick some ass of those who insult his mom for exercising her right of free speech. Those with no skin in the game have a lot of nerve criticising a mother who lost a son.

Danni I didn't say I or anyone else is a victim... just that Cindy Sheehan is not.

danni......just as with cleland and others who have lost limbs and lives of loved ones, that doesnt mean they are always correct.

and this reaction is pretty typical since just yesterday on the day we salute the memory of the people who died for our freedom, that john edwards, for instance, would select to call for demonstrators to go out and attack AT rallies to salute the dead and honor them......and YEs I know thats why they made the ultimate sacrifice....but just as in the case of flag burning, there is such a thing as manners and decency and when it comes to the left and their demonstrations, manners and decency are left at the bus.

and also danni......when I salute his memory and sacrifice....I "AINT" TALKING TO HER.......

danni........you must really be a clairvoyant or something.......you know what casey shehaan would do if alive?

ooh thats pretty creepy.....

(cue the x files music)


and doc......come on.....dont you think that she and her 'handlers' did more to make here look like a kook than any of us?

""and when it comes to the left and their demonstrations, manners and decency are left at the bus.""

says the guy who thinks it is ok to insult a mother of a lost soldier.

"when I salute his memory and sacrifice...."" it means absolutely nothing. He died for nothing because Bush invaded a country that never attacked us and caused a fucking disaster while people like you cheered him on. You all ought to be forced to go live in the mess you created over there.

just that Cindy Sheehan is not.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-05-29 08:51 AM | Reply

Yeah you're right she has lost nothing in the war.

"says the guy who thinks it is ok to insult a mother of a lost soldier."


Danni-she insulted herself as well as America after her initial meeting with Bush that went fine.

Just like you do daily here.

Yeah you're right she has lost nothing in the war.

Posted by JimmyWallback


hahaha... you know you've made a good point when some liberal douche has to come back with something like that.

Read what she said big guy:

I have endured a lot of smear and hatred...

That's where she is crying that she's a victim... nobody would argue she has not endured a terrible loss, but to say she is some victim of smear and hatred, when it is her smear and hatred of others that made her famous is laughable.

Cindy Sheehan: I Quit

Excuse me if I don't believe Cindy when she says her 15 minutes of fame are now up and she's going back to be a Mom to the rest of her kids.

I don't buy it.

maybe she's quitting to go on the "Cindy Sheehan "I Quit" Tour 2007.

Maybe she does a few talks shows, some game shows -- how about "Deal or No Deal" that would be fun.

Or maybe she'll get her ideological buddy Jimmy carter to bring his habitat for humanity people down to that crawford texas land and build a house -- that would be good for a PBS special for sure-- Banging nails and calling for an end to the war.


All kidding aside, I think Cindy Sheehan is mad as hell that she is not taken seriously by either the left or right anymore.

I think she will try to go back to the drudgery of anonymity -- but the call of celebrity will be too great -- so don't be surprised if Cindy becomes some anti-war joey Buttafuco down the road -- a laughinstock who will do anything to get just another "fix" of celebrity.

hahaha... you know you've made a good point

***********************

Still waiting for ya to make a GOOD point. Keep on trying though.

If, on the other hand, Casey was on board with the war effort... and it was CINDY who was opposed to the war, then I think she's using his death to give street cred to her personal opinion.

Oohrah, I never thought anything Cindy did was about casey it was all about Cindy. Which is why, I believe, the rest of her family did not support her.

""and when it comes to the left and their demonstrations, manners and decency are left at the bus.""

says the guy who thinks it is ok to insult a mother of a lost soldier.

"when I salute his memory and sacrifice...."" it means absolutely nothing. He died for nothing because Bush invaded a country that never attacked us and caused a fucking disaster while people like you cheered him on. You all ought to be forced to go live in the mess you created over there.

Posted by danni at 2007-05-29 09:02


oh danni....I am not going to get upset with your raving and ranting....I know that today is a sad one for you and your side. your champion of appeasement and surrender has decided to quit and it's just tearing you up.
and your 'silly side' is out for all to see if you really say that we are insulting her. when she PUT HERSELF in the limelight, or even let others put her there, she gave up all rights of privacy and whatever else you want to call it....and she did it gladly and gleefully and I of course had every intention of not discussing it, but you leave me no choice.....dont ever try and tell me how you should treat someone who loses a child, because you have no idea and are not qualified to even speak on the subject, at least I hope you never are.
and it doesnt matter if you think it was bush's fault.....casey sheehan volunteered to be in the MILITARY and then signed up AGAIN...........I believe he knew exactly what might happen and he did it anyway and thats why I salute him and his memory and you will not steal my respect for him by bringing up bullshit about his mother.

Sheehan, however, said she had become increasingly disillusioned with the Democratic Party. In an open letter to the Democratic members of Congress on Saturday, however, she announced that she was leaving the Party because she believed its leaders had failed to change the country's course in Iraq.

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I thought the Dems had a solution for Iraq? Just like they were going to "FIX" gas prices.

Why do people still listen to these turds.

"a fascist corporate wasteland"

It doesn't take a visionary to see that happening.

Mrs. Sheehan was viciously demonized and castigated month after month by these brave men of the Right for actually having the audacity to get out and express her opinion.

Now that the Dems have not been able to immediately deliver on their antiwar stance against these same Rightists warmongers, she feels the betrayal that many idealists feel when they find that the wheels of Justice move slowly indeed.

As with Vietnam, the antiwar movement will be justified in history as the prime mover in expressing the will of the American people on Iraq.

Mrs. Sheehan, and because of her, her son, will be remembered as a catalyst in that movement.

My post today was to try to be as neutral as possible and to speak to this issue of whether one person's opinion ought to be more valid/weighted than another's.

On that issue -- of course some people's opinions are more valid then others.

And a lot of it has to do with the way we perceive "news" in this country -- to really juice up reporters, a story should be be compelling, confrontational, and visually exciting.

Cindy hit all three notes perfectly

What's more compelling confrontaitional and visually exciting then a mother of son killed in Iraq camped outside the president's vacation home asking to talk to him to tell him about son and to stop the war so there are no more dead sons to grieve over.

'I never thought anything Cindy did was about casey it was all about Cindy."

More Frist-like commentary from the Peanut Gallery.

Assigning cynical motives to others is usually more a sign of those same kinds of motives on the part of the projecting attacker than that of the victim of their meaningless attack.

""I suspect we'll never know for certain how Casey felt.""

Really doesn't matter how he felt because he probably didn't have the information necessary to make an informed decision. Hell, our own Congress was deprived of the truth before they voted to allow Bush to begin his Crusade for Oil. We can't pretend now that Bush had good reason for the invasion/occupation just because it somehow would justify the deaths of so many.

I think Cindy's departure really points out a much larger issue and that is the dishonesty of this current Democrat Party. They did and said everything they needed to do and say to get elected ostensibly to "end the war" but when they got to Washington and learned the reality of the situation, ooops ... nothing happened. But why ? Could it be they understood that just picking up and leaving might very well cause more problems, more death, more destruction and over a wider area? And who would get the blame ? WEll, the Dems saw the problem and so here we are. Dems to chicken shit to explain to their people that things just ain't what they pretended they were and the nothing will change very quickly. That's the truth and it seems no one has the balls to explain it to the American people ...

a well put and reasoned argument mister corky.......its too bad that you are wrong,in my opinion, on a couple of things......its certainly not the getting out and expressing her opinion, its the money of the people behind it and the politizing of her son's sacrifice. you might argue that the right has also politized people's sacrifices but you see, the left is really good at pointing out those things and ignoring thier own when they do exactly the same thing.

and of course your use of the words....brave men of the right(sarcasim) and the warmongering one.....do not apply and dont belong.....I say tomato, you say tomatoe!!!!!....(did you get that toe and to reference there, ha ha)

and here is perfect example of how the liberal has turned our world upside down.....to someone who belives we are fighting a war against terrorists who want us all killed or muslim, and to someone who belives we are fighting for democracy and freedom....to a liberal that is a warmonger..........unfriggin believable.,.....although at this point, why is it unbelievable.

BL waves his flags and salutes the soldiers as if it isn't just meaningless play acting, pretending that Iraq is some great crusade to save the world...and glory halleluiah chicken hawks send other people's kids to die for nothing and sheep bleat their cheers.

Really doesn't matter how he felt because he probably didn't have the information necessary to make an informed decision. Hell, our own Congress was deprived of the truth before they voted to allow Bush to begin his Crusade for Oil. We can't pretend now that Bush had good reason for the invasion/occupation just because it somehow would justify the deaths of so many.

Posted by danni at 2007-05-29 09:38

and so now here one of the biggest defenders of shehaan is now telling us that her son was duped into going or just too stupid to understand???????



( and now you have had words put into your mouth just like you do to us)

"" and to someone who belives we are fighting for democracy and freedom...""

That's a joke right???
No one is really that foolish.
BL.....here's a clue....BILLIONS OF DOLLARS are involved here....only morons think that when BILLIONS OF DOLLARS are involved that anything even remotely beneficial to anyone is a prime consideration.
Grow up. Rich white guys wanted a war for oil, they got one, poor folks kids had to die in the process...oh heck, sorry.

Somebody should have her committed. She seems likely to take the next step in her deluded state and "martyr" herself like the thugs she thinks her son should have left alone. She has too many conflicting emotions- time for the rubber room for this lady- all kidding aside.

Unlike binLaden, Bush and other ambitious leaders, Cindy hasn't killed anyone. Cindy's point is correct. If you ignore what the greedfuckers say and examine only what they do, there is little difference between most Democrats and Republicans. That's because broadcasting is a key business which Politicians must access to hold office. The cost of this is staggering and should be unnecessary, since it began as a public resource. Complete privatization of broadcasting has ruined our Democracy.

What would Mohamad and Christ say about felling the Twin Towers and invading Iraq?

""and so now here one of the biggest defenders of shehaan is now telling us that her son was duped into going or just too stupid to understand???????""

Well, Bushlover, apparently you STILL haven't figured it out so Casey wasn't necessarily stupid but more likely just believed his president wouldn't lie.
He found out the hard way that this president most certainly did lie.

""time for the rubber room for this lady- all kidding aside.""

Brilliant. And the lunatics who sent our troops to Iraq for oil should go free.
You guys really do need to grow up and realize who is fucking this country.

Now that the Dems have not been able to immediately deliver on their antiwar stance against these same Rightists warmongers,

Corky, I seem to remember the democrats always calling on the Republicans to deliver immeidately as well -- screaming as to why Saddam hasn't been found yet only days after we went in to Iraq -- then charging incompetance and not shutting up and until when Saddam was found. I mean, The Iraqi governemnt is still less then a full year old after 40 years of oppression -- yet according to most dems, it has had more then enough time to get things right.

So now the dems are in the majority of a Congress that is well over 200 years old-- and people like you are complaining that they should be given more time -- why?

Why should the democrats be held to a different set of standards then they hold others too?

BL waves his flags and salutes the soldiers as if it isn't just meaningless play acting, pretending that Iraq is some great crusade to save the world...and glory halleluiah chicken hawks send other people's kids to die for nothing and sheep bleat their cheers.

Posted by danni at 2007-05-29 09:42 AM | Reply


sometimes you guys on the left will post something that says much more about what we try and point out than we could ever come up with.
warmonger, chickenhawk, playacting in iraq........damn, I couldnt ask for a better post from the left. thank you.

and for all you dumber than dirt right wingers...let me explain it to you since I am sure you are just too stupid to get it.......what danni is telling us here is that she hates the military and those of us who support them in WINNING the war on terror are just chickenhawks and warmongers and that the army is just playing army like we all used to after coming home from the saturday double feature...........she is also telling us that yesterday when we saluted the war dead, that we were just waving flags about people who died for nothing.....
what a sad commentary on the liberal party....a LOT of them anyway........

and if it meant that shehaan was sent packing, then maybe the democrats in power(for a couple of years anyway)...maybe that wasnt such a bad idea anyway....

"its certainly not the getting out and expressing her opinion, its the money of the people behind it"

Sooooo.... what you are saying, BLT, is that in no case could she have expressed her views to a wide audience without becoming tainted by the opposition Party, so she should just have kept her mouth shut?

There is and should be a fight against the terrorists of 911. That was never Iraq.

Had her son died in Afghanistan fighting al-Qaeda and the Taliban, I don't think you would have heard a peep out of her or the rest of us.

But to lose a child, as she says now for no reason at all other than pitifully conceived and incompetently managed imperialistic oil and geopolitical maneuvering, is much harder to accept.

John Edwards is the new Cindy. He digraced the troops for his agenda.Memorial day is not about protest

Assigning cynical motives to others is usually more a sign of those same kinds of motives on the part of the projecting attacker than that of the victim of their meaningless attack.

LOL

The moment Cindy hung out with Chavez her cynical motives were reveled for sure -- I'll grant that Cindy's 15 minutes may have began sincerely from the desire of a grieving mother to do something -- but the moment those cameras were on her, those microphones stuck in her face -- it became clear that it was the "Cindy Show" show and Casey became a footnote.

okay danni.........well I can only assume that you are a kitchens fan since he is an atheist and attacks believers.....well last night on texas monthly interview he said that everyone knew that alqaida and sadaam had a relationship.....and that taking out sadaam was going to happen, and it should happen, that 9/11 just sped it up...and the only discussion among people who knew anything was only the extent of the relationship......as to whether they had any operational talks.....so you see....thats close enough to me....to repay the islanmic terrorists MURDERErS for what they did on 9/11.....and I am not saying iraq was in on it so dont even try that one....but again..its a war on islamic terrorists and iraq is the front line......and I can only imagine what you will say when its time to move that front line more towards iran.

ah, iran...



do we have enough soldiers to move into iran? is that even possible given the current situation?

Bowow,

The Dems don't need more time, they need more votes from warmongering, CYA Rethugs.

The war would be over now if the Repubs, who will be voting for an end to the war in a few months as Mitch McConnell said the other day, were more concerned about the lives of American troops that will be lost this summer than they are about finding a way to cover their collective asses with the American people.

""what danni is telling us here is that she hates the military and those of us who support them in WINNING the war on terror are just chickenhawks and warmongers and that the army is just playing army like we all used to after coming home from the saturday double feature...........""

No, the ARmy is in real danger over there but you guys who support the invasion/occupation don't have the guts to admit the truth, they are over there getting killed for nothing. You can't face the fact but it doesn't change the fact that it is a fact.

""and I can only imagine what you will say when its time to move that front line more towards iran.""

The chicken hawk is so brave with other's lives.

Not a guy- Danni- and when I use that expletive I am enjoying myself with one! You?

John Edwards is the new Cindy. He digraced the troops for his agenda.Memorial day is not about protest

Posted by jjdj1187 at 2007-05-29 09:53 AM | Reply


amen bro.....and I alluded to this in an earlier post.......he should be held accountable for helping to sully the memory of the men and women who wer honored yesterday in dc as there were demonstrations all over the place during the salute to the war dead......
as I said....this is why these people sacrificed...for the freedom to demonstrate and express themselves.....like shehaan.....but there also has to be some common decency and manners involved as well and again...the liberal lie machine doesnt know what those things are.
you can burn a flag if you want, but why do it at a rally for people who died to give you that right.....same thing here........

and john edwards should be held accountable.......of course the MSM didnt even let us know that he was doing this.....so it probably will be kept under wraps anyway......

"it became clear that it was the "Cindy Show" show and Casey became a footnote."

Obviously, that became clear to her warmongering self-righteous opponents who castigated the mother of a dead American soldier mercilessly.

Funny how Tighties are all for self-actualization and success..... unless of course they disagree with the person achieving that success.

""what danni is telling us here is that she hates the military and those of us who support them in WINNING the war on terror are just chickenhawks and warmongers and that the army is just playing army like we all used to after coming home from the saturday double feature...........""

No, the ARmy is in real danger over there but you guys who support the invasion/occupation don't have the guts to admit the truth, they are over there getting killed for nothing. You can't face the fact but it doesn't change the fact that it is a fact.

Posted by danni at 2007-05-29 10:00 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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COULD I HAVE COME UP WITH A BETTER ANSWER THAN THIS>...............

""Memorial day is not about protest""

Bull Shit!
Everyday is for protest until our troops return home from Iraq.
Only the fools who still try to justify this illegal war give a crap what day people protest. My bet is most of them still whine about our leaving Vietnam, they weren't satisfied with the death count there either.

""COULD I HAVE COME UP WITH A BETTER ANSWER THAN THIS>...............""

Yeah, you could deal with the facts and the results of your willful ignorance.

She's ugly and she's fat. That hasn't changed.
She's not as dumb as I had thought though. It took her forever and a day, but she eventually figured out that the Dems were using her like a beat-off sock.

How nice of her to return to her family after her 15 minutes were up...

its unfortunate that edwards' site is

supportthetroopsendthewar.com


it almost looks like:

support the troops, send them to war

(if you squint your eyes and act drunk)

John Edwards is the new Cindy. He digraced the troops for his agenda.Memorial day is not about protest
Posted by jjdj1187 at 2007-05-29 09:53 AM

"I'm Jeffwey, an' I'm foah yeahs owd."
(Bill Cosby: Himself, 1983)

they are over there getting killed for nothing

Danni, since you are so big on protest and ending the war -- Why don't you go visit the families of all our fallen heroes who lost their lives in service to their country and tell then that their loved ones got "killed for nothing".

See what kind of response you get.

I dare ya

bowa

she'd probably get a mixed response, i imagine

Unlike many of you I have actually met Cindy when she has been down in Crawford the last 2 years including the misreported arrest outside of the Western White House back this past December. I have seen her when she was joking with family and friends there, one of ther daughters and her other son have been with her to Crawford as has her sister, and I have seen her be interviewed countless times by regional and national media and she has to put on her TV face for the cameras. To be honest she felt deep down in her heart that the United States should not have gone into this war and I agree with her and she had the courage to stand up to the powers that be at their doorstep and wave an angry fist at them and give them a few choice words.

The problem though that she soon found out and now admits to herself is that there are a lot of leeches that like to latch onto a person with a cause, America has had this problem since the days of Thoreau if not even before and in the end they usually will either kill the cause or the leader of the cause with all of the crap that they bring with them. She also has admitted that if you turn around and attack a party for setting on their hands and just flapping their lips without putting any weight behind their words they will get mad for being shown as a bunch of windbags and they will turn on you faster than a pyschotic dog on locoweed.

So I wish Cindy good luck with the rest of her life and I hope that her life will come back together for her after being under the torch light that she has been put under by both political parties now.

Her exit should not kill the cause of the Anti-War Anti-Bush movement but should just make the people still involved that were the leeches to take a second look at themselves and to admit that they are not there for the true cause of the movement but to leech off of whoever they can and those people are the ones who are not true americans but just lowely leeches of the worst sort.

BTW if anyone wants to buy 5 acres on the Edge of Crawford with good highway frontage Cindy has her land up for sale, even has a creek running nearby.

and for my last post.....(hold your appaulse, please)......let me say that yesterday I watched a film on group 16 from the lexington, I read the accounts of a chinease american who was a tail gunner on a b-24....(just like my dad, who according to danni must have been a warmonger,).......and I watched the story of a couple who goes to arlington to honor thier son and helps others who have lost children in iraq...........and my heart is heavy in knowing, REALLY KNOWING< what they feel like, and also knowing that they are defending the right of every leftwing kook to tell us that we are chickenhawks and warmongers and stupid and it makes me sad and glad all at the same time.... sad that they had to lose so many and glad that people like danni and many of the leftwingers here werent around in the early 40's........if they were, I might be on my way to the bank to get out some marks to buy some more nazi flags....... I look at the photos of the soldiers and look in thier eyes and wonder if what they were thinking when the picture was taken.......and how did thier life turn out....was it like they had hoped or not,....and do they know today or did they even get a chance to know just how gratefull we are of their sacrifice. and of course I also hope that they never read the nonsense from danni and others.....

she'd probably get a mixed response, i imagine

Mixed response? You mean like getting slapped vs gettng punched?

Assigning cynical motives to others is usually more a sign of those same kinds of motives on the part of the projecting attacker than that of the victim of their meaningless attack.

Posted by Corky at 2007-05-29 09:38 AM



Trying to "take over The World, Pinky!", with Dick Cheney as the Brain", after the fall of the SU in Iraq and now Iran, instead of fulfilling their duties and responsibilities to secure the American people against the real terrorists of 911.

Impeachment 08!!

Posted by Corky at 2007-05-26 12:50 PM



There is the Fight Against al-Qaeda, the perps of 911, and then there is Bush's War, an elective preemptive for-profit policy disaster of historic proportions.

Posted by Corky at 2007-05-25 09:59 AM



But the photo op is an important one, trying beyond reason to promote a kinder, gentler Dick, one who might think twice before shooting someone in the face or manufacturing a war for profit.

Posted by Corky at 2007-05-24 10:49 AM



They were not able to get the contracts to purchase that oil until we invaded, Jeff.

Posted by Corky at 2007-05-23 03:53 PM

When the Rethugs vote to pull out of Iraq this fall, I expect that Bowa and the rest of these CYA political apologists for warmongering here will find a reason to declare that these children died to save the Republic from Democrats.

What other reason will they have?

Somebody should have her committed. She seems likely to take the next step in her deluded state and "martyr" herself like the thugs she thinks her son should have left alone. She has too many conflicting emotions- time for the rubber room for this lady- all kidding aside.

Posted by stgi at 2007-05-29 09:45 AM |


If we're going to have the thought police jailing people to rubber rooms we're gonna need a whole bunch of rubber rooms...don't ya think?

bowa

i guess i meant like:

some families might agree
and some families might not

obviously it would depend on how it was worded, type of people in the family, what they believed about the war, many other factors, etc...you know

Ugly John,

Thosde posts of mine refer to government actions by our public servants, which we have the right nay, the duty to analyze and condemn or praise.

None of which applies to Mrs. Sheehan.

Cindy has not quit anything. She'll be back again and again and again to announce that she's quitting. Attention whores become addicted.

"You mean like getting slapped vs gettng punched?"

Ohhh!

Now Bowow gets the subliminal rush of posting his fantasies about abusing Mrs. Sheehan beyond the realm of vile, nasty verbal demonetization and on to visualizing a physical beating.

Very Christian, one supposes.

BTW if anyone wants to buy 5 acres on the Edge of Crawford with good highway frontage Cindy has her land up for sale, even has a creek running nearby.

Posted by pgkps at 2007-05-29 10:16 AM |


IF it's in the 500 to 900 per acre range I might be interested.... What's she asking?

Corky, stop whining already.

If the republicans vote to cut-off funding in Iraq in September it will be because of a negative assesment of the surge strategy by Petraous', not because of pressure by the dems or the anti-war movement.

Your democrats have been a failure so far as the majority party. They are proving as corrupt if not more then the GOP congress they replaced.

They failed to set a timeline for withdrawl which would have effectively put America's defeat squarely onthe shoulders of the GOP and the presidnet. Instead by approving the funding through september the dems let the Iraqis take the blame if the surge fails, and if it succeeds they will be forced to refund the troops yet again.

They have so far failed to start investigations into the Bush adminstration in the run up to the war.

They have failed to meet any of the "benchmarks" they set for themselves in the first 100 days.

Thosde posts of mine refer to government actions by our public servants, which we have the right nay, the duty to analyze and condemn or praise.


i see. so we're only allowed to assign cynical motives to public servants, and not to "regular" citizens? i must've missed that memo.

Now Bowow gets the subliminal rush of posting his fantasies about abusing Mrs. Sheehan beyond the realm of vile, nasty verbal demonetization and on to visualizing a physical beating.

No. Nothing so dramatic Corky.

Just imagining the reaction most normal grieving people would have if some anti-war lefty, some stranger knocked on their door to tell them that their loved one was 'killed for nothing".

When the Rethugs vote to pull out of Iraq this fall, I expect that Bowa and the rest of these CYA political apologists for warmongering here will find a reason to declare that these children died to save the Republic from Democrats.

What other reason will they have?





Posted by Corky at 2007-05-29 10:19 AM


I don't have to wait until the republicans appease the dems surrender policy to think that....

But guess what?

We're gonna be in Iraq for a long, long, long time.....Because we need to be....

I know many of you people don't believe we should be and you've stated your reasons for years now, but the fact still remains.... If not US/the USA, then Whom?

The property is just FIVE acres but it is on the state highway that runs through downtown and is just at the edge of the city limits-about 100 ft past the limits on the north edge of town.

some families might agree
and some families might not

Nopants, even those that might agree in principle are still not going to take kindly to being told their son or daughter was "killed for nothing".

LOL!

People who disagree with Bowow are "whiners".

I don't know where this air of superiority you give yourself comes from other than out of your ass, because no one else is buying it.

"negative assesment of the surge strategy by Petraous'"

Multiple Generals and Congressmen.... and the American people.... have already given an assessment of your Beloved Dear Leader's "strategerizing", and found it wholly lacking.

While you would prefer to hide, er, wait and watch while more troops are killed this summer so that you have a "report" to justify your conscience, the American people have already dicedered for you.

The Rethugs who let thousands of more troops die this summer while they and their Iraq counter-parts fiddle, will pay the political consequences in the end.

""sad that they had to lose so many and glad that people like danni and many of the leftwingers here werent around in the early 40's........""

Comparing WWII to the Iraq war is an insult to FDR.

""Nopants, even those that might agree in principle are still not going to take kindly to being told their son or daughter was "killed for nothing".""

And they shouldn't ...they should demand that Bush be impeached.

""Because we need to be....""

CUz the talking points say that you believe it. Simple minds are so easily led astray.

Really why DO WE NEED TO BE IN IRAQ?

To be murdered in their civil war?
To protect the oil supply?
To protect the camel supply?
To feed our war machine?
To make Halliburton Richer?
To keep Blackwater busy?
For the Summer Sun?
To fight non-existant Terrorists?
Because Shrub Said So?

Comparing WWII to the Iraq war is an insult to FDR.

Posted by danni at 2007-05-29 10:39 AM |


Danni, where, why, how and when do you think ww2 actually started.

Cooky writes:
Funny how Tighties are all for self-actualization and success..... unless of course they disagree with the person achieving that success.

And its sad how lefty loosies are all for cowardly behavior and giving up...and they NEVER agree unless it suits their agenda.

INCUBUS I am not now going to get into some stupid discussion about WWII but comparing it to the unnecessary and idiotic invasion of Iraq just makes me laugh. Truely pathetic.

Incubus

OK we sat back a bit when we saw Hitler run over Czechlosavakia and Poland and start to knock on Paris' door but when we understood that he was working with Mussalini (sp) and the Japanese and then the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor that was the last straw that brought the full brunt of America against the Axis Powers.

She's a textbook narcissist and this resignation just proves it--what is she resigning from? Calling attention to herself

At least Incubus, unlike Bowa, admits that this is a long term PNAC project in Iraq, more about oil and some supposed geopolitical "stratergy" than about any credible stretch of the imagination that makes it a part of the fight against al-Qaeda.

Other than the initial invasion, there was never a "military victory" to be had in Iraq, and all but the dimmest of bulbs knows that now.

Why they still yammer for some sort of military victory when every credible military officer asked has said that that isn't even a rational goal, is beyond ignorance, resting right up against blatant stupidity.

""resting right up against blatant stupidity.""

WILLFUL blatant stupidity. Much less honorable.

lol

Thanks, Danni. Willful, prejudiced, extraordinarily jingoistic and short-sighted blatant stupidity.

btw- 5 DR points for the Tighty who looks up jingoism and explains how it doesn't apply in our approach to Iraq.

Your democrats have been a failure so far as the majority party.

How?

By doing the same thing Republicans have been doing for four years?

There's no difference between the two.

"Man, I haven't been able to get arrested in quite some while. What the fuck is a dude supposed to do to get a little press coverage around this joint?
Those skanks Lohan and Hilton are gobbling up the the airtime.
If only my other son, what's his name...Oh well, I'm sure it will come to me soon...If only he'd enlist and get killed maybe I could get some more pub?"
Sincerely,
Sheehags Nighttime Musings

Nopants, even those that might agree in principle are still not going to take kindly to being told their son or daughter was "killed for nothing".

perhaps, who knows?

a chinease american....
Posted by bushlovertwo at 2007-05-29 10:17 AM

...reputedly, a very lazy fellow.

Soros cut off her bankroll and the Dems turned on her Once her usefullness was over
5 acres in Crawford for sale!

**** Sheehan warned that the United States was becoming "a fascist corporate wasteland," ****

.....can't disagree with that..........

"hey failed to set a timeline for withdrawl which would have effectively put America's defeat squarely onthe shoulders of the GOP and the presidnet. Instead by approving the funding through september the dems let the Iraqis take the blame if the surge fails, and if it succeeds they will be forced to refund the troops yet again.

They have so far failed to start investigations into the Bush adminstration in the run up to the war.

They have failed to meet any of the "benchmarks" they set for themselves in the first 100 days. "

Do you not understand how our representative government works? Dems have a majority, but not enough to overcome a presidential veto without getting the do-nothing republicans to vote for it too. Republicans have enough votes to gleefully thwart any decent legislation Dems come up with... with a presidential veto to back them up as a last resort.

If Dems haven't passed the legislation they promised, it hasn't been for lack of trying. They TRIED to set a timeline for withdrawal, but Bush vetoed it...... don't you remember?

So in a few months when the escalation fails (I refuse to call it a "surge", what a bunch of malarky), Republicans will play politics and say "well NOW we should set up timelines for withdrawal", and they'll look eerily similar to those Dems proposed; all in an effort to come out smelling like roses, that THEY (repubs) are the ones that suggested the timeline.

..........sad to say, but every casulty of that war, died for nothing...........

......Cindy's right......

Iraq has nothing whatsoever to do with taming alQaida.

Keep in mind Bush pulled forces out of Saudi Arabia immediately after 9-11, which is what bin Laden was demanding. By subsequently reinstalling them in Iraq he has inflamed the same fanatics.

Also keep in mind the well documented fact that BushCo (PNAC) has been planning to attack Iraq since 1998 when they petitioned Clinton to do it. Cheney longed for a "Pearl Harbor Event" to rouse emotions enough for an attack and seized on 9-11 as just such an excuse. All this violence has served bin Laden's cause admiralalby, by lowering our moral standing below his.

Is there any truth to the rumor that DANNI is going to take up the banner Cindy Sheehan just dropped? If so, she should wait until this Winter. The sun in Crawford is brutal in the Summer. Just take a look at Cindy and you'll realize that. I understand she's going to schedule some plastic surgery.

So, what exactly is the "something" that 3,000+ US soldiers and Marines have died for thus far?

Sorry if this hurts, but it was for nothing, nothing even remotely important or significant to their own familes or to the vast, vast majority of us. Nothing. Instead of getting pathetically indignant over statements like that, get angry over over the fucking deaths.

Cindy's right, there's no hope and no reason to believe in the "promises" the US government anymore, regardles which of the big two are at the helm, keeping all the others out.

Questioning the woman's patriotism is the ultimate in petty shallowness, btw.

"Questioning the woman's patriotism is the ultimate in petty shallowness, btw."

I personally didn't consider her unpatriotic UNTIL she went hugging Chavez and other enemies of the U.S. and together with them started condemning the country. WE can do it if we like, but NOT with enemies who would like to see us all dead.

""hugging Chavez and other enemies of the U.S.""

Oh, so now Chavez is an enemy of the US and wants to see us all dead.
The paranoia of the right is scary.

Danni,

Anyone that opposes the unfettered power of Corporations is an "enemy" of the US according to the right.

"Oh, so now Chavez is an enemy of the US..."

I know that comes as a shock to you, Dearie, but in the REAL world he sides with Iran, North Korea and others who would like to see the "Great Satan" destroyed. You probably have him confused with Blair or Howard.

Didn't 'chall know that this is a government of, by, and for the big corporation?

Where ya'll been?


The corporations get the government they pay for. We get wars of choice and simplistic rhetoric designed to fool the public.

Cindy...now you can get that therapy you need! I hear Venezuela has a wonderful medical system. Hugo would foot the bill for you I am sure. Just give him another hug on worldwide TV.

Gee, how many American soldiers died because of Hugo Chavez???
How many died because George Bush lied???

"How many died because George Bush lied???"

Passe, Cindy, passe. Take a break, study up some, bring us some new material, OK?

""Passe, Cindy, passe.""

When American soldiers being killed is passe...you know something is real wrong in your head. Real wrong.

"Passe, Cindy, passe"

Wots the problem, Justnotthinking?

Was 10 American soldiers dying on Memorial day boring for you?

Not spicy enuff?

Was it the fact that they weren't tortured to death?

Schmuck!

When Cindy first started speaking out against the war, the wast majority of the American people were ignorant propagandised sheeple who were buying into the Lies and scare campaigns used to drum up support for this war.

By this point over 70% of the people see the waste this war represents.

Cindy's done her job and now it's up to the pols to make the people's will become true.

They won't, because in the main, they don't give a fuck about the average American.

They are all coporate whores with only a couple of notable exceptions.

This war is an abomination and all who still support it are fools.

Be Well.

"When American soldiers being killed is passe...you know something is real wrong in your head. Real wrong."

It's your RHETORIC that's passe, Sweetie. Aren't you just a teenie, teenie bit upset with the radical Muslims that have been killing Americans for decades? The dead American troops dragged through streets in Somalia (not Bush, by the way.) The 241 Marines slaughtered in Labanon by a Muslim (Hezbollah) truck bomber during Reagan) doesn't cause you any heartburn. The Sailors on the Cole? The Air Force Personnel in the Khobar Towers being bombed and killed was OK with you? The common denominator in ALL OF THIS WAS radical Muslims...NOT Bush. You gotta get over this obssession with Bush. He'll be gone soon, but those MUSLIMS won't! THEN who will you rail against?

The Democrat's used Cindy Sheehan like a nappy headed hoe!

I have also reached the conclusion that if I am doing what I am doing because I am an "attention whore" then I really need to be committed.

Cindy Sheehan: it's about time

i empathize with your loss, and no doubt this was an attempt to work through your grief, but i think it's time to seek out a good therapist.

"When Cindy first started speaking out against the war, the wast majority of the American people were ignorant propagandised sheeple who were buying into the Lies and scare campaigns used to drum up support for this war."

Thank God for you and Cindy, Spud! I'm SO glad you and Cindy weren't "ignorant propangandized sheeple." You have both done SO much to SAVE America. I do notice, however, that those wonderful pols, the ones you and she admire, won't do anything to cut off those funds though. They know as well as the "hawks" that to do so would be foolhardy in the long run.

I gotta admit, it has been a three ring circus from the start. The initial movements were swift and successful but the decisions made afterward sucked big time. Can we agree on that much? HOWEVER, where we diverge is in your belief we should just retreat, and my belief that it would be disastrous to do so. As I have said on many occassions, I'll be just as glad as you to see the present administration go. If I had the magic solution I'd catch the next plane to D.C, but I don't. In my honest opinion, you don't either.

hey what is the approval rating of this congress, and doesnt pelosi look very very haggard? yes this is relevant on any thread because the dems are going to save this wayward nation with their righteousness and transparent leadership of integrity honesty and ethics. oh and no porky earmarks. so is the approval rating above 35%?

"my belief that it would be disastrous to do so"

They said the same thing about South Vietnam.

Thousands more Americans died while a Repube admin sought a way to cover it's ass while trying to leave.

Sound familiar?

""It's your RHETORIC that's passe, Sweetie.""

So...sweetie...you mention all those Americans killed by radical Muslims...so just tell me one thing...are there more or less radical Muslims today than there were the day Bush took office???
Are there more or less willing to commit suicide to kill Americans???
Is Afghanistan or Iraq a successful democracy or are both chaotic disasters where terrorism thrives??
Has Bush squandered hundreds of billions of dollars and accomplished nothing or worse has actually be counterproductive???

You can mouth off all you want but in the end it is the facts that continue to get in your way. I think that is why the right prefers to argue without the use of facts. Sometimes I suspect that "facts" themselves must have a political viewpoint because they so rarely support anything the right has to say.

""The initial movements were swift and successful but the decisions made afterward sucked big time.""

No, it was the initial decision to ignore Bush's own daddy about invading and occupying, that was the disaster. No matter how many troops they invaded with, no matter what they would have done would have ended in disaster because no matter what else we would have done we would have been occupiers and viewed as such. You can't get away from the fact that we are occupiers.

It's your RHETORIC that's passe, Sweetie. Aren't you just a teenie, teenie bit upset with the radical Muslims that have been killing Americans for decades? The dead American troops dragged through streets in Somalia (not Bush, by the way.) The 241 Marines slaughtered in Labanon by a Muslim (Hezbollah) truck bomber during Reagan) doesn't cause you any heartburn. The Sailors on the Cole? The Air Force Personnel in the Khobar Towers being bombed and killed was OK with you? The common denominator in ALL OF THIS WAS radical Muslims...NOT Bush. You gotta get over this obssession with Bush. He'll be gone soon, but those MUSLIMS won't! THEN who will you rail against?

Well said. But most liberals think that we deserved all that, that it must have been something we did. Danni and all the other bleeders here were the first ones to say it was our fault 9/11 happened, while most every real American said lets get down to business and DO something about it, not stick our heads in the sand.

One other thing, if you think for a moment that the fucking muslims are going to quit and go away...you are sorely mistaken. They will never quit. Their cult is out for world domination by intimidation and death. Just ask the Hindus in India and most other countries where the muslim cult has used any means possible to spread their bile over the centuries.

How many times have the terrorist struck the US since 9-11? 0

Cindy is a liberal nut, who needs some therapy

"Their cult is out for world domination by intimidation and death"

They joined the PNAC?

Who'd a thunk it?

"I do notice, however, that those wonderful pols, the ones you and she admire, won't do anything to cut off those funds though"

Excuse please.

Wot pols do Sheehan and Spud admire?

Do you not even read the articles before you start spewing yer nonsense?

The entire point to this article is that Cindy is quitting the peace movement she started becase the pols on both sides aren't serious about peace.

She's pissed off at Reps and Dems.

The only Pols Spud gives a shit about in the US at present are Barack Obama, Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul, because their opposition to the war is solid.

Only one of those three has a chance to win so Spud is back Barack.

"gotta admit, it has been a three ring circus from the start. The initial movements were swift and successful but the decisions made afterward sucked big time. Can we agree on that much?"

The deliberate lying to get the American people behind the war as well as sitting on their hands waiting for 9/11 to happen was where this war began.

The attack on Gahdad was as "swift and decisive" as Mike Tyson kicking the crap out of a five year old blind girl.

No kudos for that.

Since that time they have done practically everything wrong that they can think of in order to ensure a breakdown of society into a civil war and a resistance that consists of 99.998% of the country.

Iraq is now permanently desecularised and it's infrastructure is in worse shape than at any time during Saddams reign.

There can be no peace.

Mission Accomplished.

Jest thinks leaving would be disastrous.

So does Bush and so does Cheney.

They never really explain it though.

Maybe Jest'll explain to Spud.

Why would leaving be a disaster?

Is it the oil?

Or the wishes of SA and Israel?

Be Well.

""Well said. But most liberals think that we deserved all that, that it must have been something we did. Danni and all the other bleeders here were the first ones to say it was our fault 9/11 happened, while most every real American said lets get down to business and DO something about it, not stick our heads in the sand.""

of Iraq.
Just something to chew on....sweetie...us evil libruls were the ones screaming the loudest about the diversion of forces from the real war with Al Quaeda in Afghanistan. Iraq was not in any way involved in terrorism at the time. Sorry, once again, to bother y'all with facts, I know you can't stand the things.

Clinton caused 9-11

When the history of this conflict is written, Ms. Sheehan and the part she played in it's unfolding will be the legacy she leaves her son. By her having the conviction to stand up and demand a simple, truthful explaination of what her son really died for, she will be remembered. Her howling detractors will not.

I, for one, wish her peace and hope that the story-starved elements of the media will respect her wishes and refrain from hounding her for sound bites.

I, for one, wish her peace and hope that the story-starved elements of the media will respect her wishes and refrain from hounding her for sound bites.

Posted by dutch46 at 2007-05-29 02:13 PM | Reply


Uh huh. They chase her for soundbites...Cindy never staged media events (the book signing anyone)...

Those arrests were never planned for camera time, they were legitimate forms of a 60 year old hag's freedom of expression...

The whole campout thing?...She didn't do it for the media, it's just she smelled and looked so bad nobody would rent to her...
The Chavez gangbang?...Again, it wasn't about mugging for the cameras, in fact the media made her do it...

for better or worse, history will lump her in with people like jane fonda.

There's been a lot of chatting here about Cindy Sheehan and if she's merely chasing celebrity (strangely, most of it by the very people who defend the Bush administration from being attacked in the same way). In the end, it's not important if she's an attention whore.

Even if Sheehan disappears the questions she asked still remain.

What did her son die for?

What was the reason for the invasion and occupation of Iraq?

Fellas...I'm assuming that Ms. Sheehan is sincere in wishing to "retire" from public life. As for the media, some dogs like to shake the rabbit long after it's dead. If she resurfaces again in the future and picks up where she left off, then she's once again fair game and by all means, pile back on if that's what gets you through the day.

Whether you agreed with her "cause" or not, you have to admit that she had the sand to stand up for her convictions at a time when so many did not. I'm hoping she just gets on with her life.

No worries...I have no doubt there'll be some new leftwing monster along shortly for the America..fuck yeah! mob to chase around with torches and pitchforks.

Show some grace...let her go.

Spud says....Was 10 American soldiers dying on Memorial day boring for you?

I ask spud.... How many people died on American highways this weekend?

Then I ask spud..... what do they have in common?

Spud scratches his head, picks his nose and types some nonsensical shit but before he can finish I give him the answer. 99 percent of them all were volunteers.

First tour volunteer...ok
second tour volunteer....hmmmm not really
third tour volunteer....bull shit.

""I ask spud.... How many people died on American highways this weekend?


Then I ask spud..... what do they have in common?""

Then a loved one of one of the soldiers reads your post and rightly thinks you are an asshole for comparing the two.

Then a loved one of one of the soldiers reads your post and rightly thinks you are an asshole for comparing the two.

Posted by danni at 2007-05-29 03:55 PM | Reply


Says the cooze claiming they died for nothing...

Someone who stands up for what they feel to be in the best interests of the nation's troops deserves a certain degree of respect; regardless of whether you agree with the specific things that person advocates.

Some people will calmly discuss why their ideas are better, but most will villify and distort the other side out of intellectual laziness.

"Only one of those three has a chance to win so Spud is back Barack."

But, but, but....he lies too! He's nothing but a hypocrite and his wife is too! Politicians, Spud, politicians. If he was ever really elected, you think he would sign a bill cutting off funding for the troops??? Is he capable of lying on THAT issue too??? Breath of fresh air....my azz.

"Barack Obama wants you to believe he is a straight-talking candidate, but he was willing to alter his life story for political gain down in Selma, Alabama. When he went there on the anniversary of "Bloody Sunday" he made up a sham of a story about his birth. There, he said his parents fell in love and conceived him as a result of "what happened in Selma." He said, "There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama."

The problem? Bloody Sunday took place on March 7, 1965. Obama was born on August 4, 1961.

MRS. OBAMA DISSES WALMART

Michelle Obama recently resigned from the board of TreeHouse Foods Inc., a major food supplier to Wal-Mart. She became a board member in 2005 and was paid $51,200 by them since then, according to tax forms. She said it was because of "increase demands" of her husband's campaign. More likely, her resignation was because of demands from Big Labor. Mr. Obama has been a leading supporter of the group WakeUpWalmart, a union-backed campaign dedicated to organizing the mega-store and demanding pay hikes for Wal-Mart workers"

""Says the cooze claiming they died for nothing...""

Oh, so what did they die for????

Nothing like kicking a woman while shes down, after all her son died for nothing and she tried to be a voice of opposition to G-dubs policy of error, but who cares right?

because prevailing mentality of the neocon regime is and for all you dumber than dirt right wingers...let me explain it to you since I am sure you are just too stupid to get it.......what danni is telling us here is that she hates the military and those of us who support them in WINNING the war on terror are just chickenhawks and warmongers

So where in your bullshit logic do you actually consider the US winning the war?

In case you haven't looked we are losing the war in Iraq, by, get this, NOT WINNING.

Ahh yet you will never learn cause your a NEOCON dipshit.

Our soldiers are getting mowed down over there so they don't die in car crashes over here. I can see Chimpy running with this.

"Says the cooze claiming they died for nothing..."

Which "cooze" ya' talkin' about, Chairborne, Cindy or her DANNI clone? Ya' gotta cut them some slack, neither one has all the dots on their dice and they're both just pawns for the mantra of the left.

Oh, so what did they die for????


Posted by danni at 2007-05-29 04:17 PM | Reply


They died for the guy to their right and the guy to their left. They died fighting for the country whose flag they fought under. They died for a cause that they felt strongly enough to sign up for.

Now Danni, what makes you think they (the families of fallen soldiers) wouldn't slap the mustache off of your lip for saying "they died for nothing" yet they'd take offence to the number of USA KIA vs number of car wrecks over the weekend?

Nevermind, you won't answer anyway.

"I never thought anything Cindy did was about casey it was all about Cindy. "

Ever lose a child, Bowaaaaa???

"Why don't you go visit the families of all our fallen heroes who lost their lives in service to their country and tell then that their loved ones got "killed for nothing".

Better yet, why doesn't Bush visit the families of all our fallen heroes who lost their lives in service to what was supposed to be our country, which Bush has used for his own selfish personal agenda.

Let him explain to them...backed by proof, what their deaths have purposed.

10 to 1 he can't. Nor would he. He avoids criticizm at all costs. The coward.

Danni:

I didn't agree with most of what Cindy did, but I understand her.

You will never get these people here to understand what it's like to be a mother, much less losing a child and wanting other mothers not to go through the same pain. Everyone deals with loss differently, and Cindy obviously felt passionate enough to try and prevent any more of it.

I applaud her efforts to protest, using her given rights to do so. She may have gone overboard, but again....everyone is different.

"I applaud her efforts to protest, using her given rights to do so. She may have gone overboard,.."Posted by LISA

Yes, I attributed her early actions and comments to grief UNTIL she went overboard. Then I pitied her for being USED by Soros and his crew and the media. Who do you suppose was paying for all the transportation etc. Sure wasn't Cindy. Now, after they have lost control of her, they've cut her loose.

"They died for the guy to their right and the guy to their left. They died fighting for the country whose flag they fought under. They died for a cause that they felt strongly enough to sign up for. - 101 Chariborne"

That's a little nebulous. Sort of like saying they died for honour. The question I have is why did they go to war in the first place?

What was the cause of this invasion and occupation?

Still, no one on the right can agree to an answer.

Even simpler, who started it?

"They died for a cause that they felt strongly enough to sign up for."

Hi 101!

Let me ask you this:

Did they sign up knowing that dark clouds of suspicion loom over this administration regarding this invasion?

Did they sign up based upon the countless times Bush used 911 in the same sentence with Saddams name or mentioning Iraq, causing them to believe the two are related?

Look....I was all for invading Iraq at the very begining. Then people started presenting facts that raised questions as to the motives to invade. I started realizing what this administration was doing and started turning away from supporting it.

You can't say that all of our military signed up for this "cause", therefore, they knew what they were getting into.

Some were already enlisted...giving them no option but to go. Others firmly believe that they are there for the right reasons, others feel they shouldn't be there at all.

Better yet, why doesn't Bush visit the families of all our fallen heroes who lost their lives in service to what was supposed to be our country, which Bush has used for his own selfish personal agenda.

Posted by Lisa at 2007-05-29 04:22 PM | Reply

Lisa,
Didn't Cindy get her legs by lying? She claimed the President wouldn't see her and later it was determined she did in fact meet with the President. Why was she more important than the thousands of other mothers who have lost their sons? Honorably I might add.

Jestgettin:

I don't disagree.

I see you don't have a good answer to Danni's question, 101.

Did they die to protect America from WMD?

Turns out not.

Did they die in retaliation for 911?

Not even close.

Did they die to get rid of Saddam and free Iraq?

That happened a while ago, eh?

Did they die so that American oil companies could get their hands on oil bidness contracts that the Russians and French had and for some half-baked PNAC geopolitical stratergy?

Pretty much.


I take it the Guardsmen over there are also dying for a cause they felt strongly enough to sign up for?

Hi Crispee!

You missed my point, sweetie! : )

"Honorably I might add."

Why? Because they kept their mouths shut? Suffered in private? Didn't challenge this administration for answers??

Gen,
Every troop signed up for his or her own reasons. Once there things change. You aren't thinking globally, you're thinking about the people on your patrol, in your platoon, etc...

You can claim that all you want, but it's a little odd to make that claim and then dare somebody else to make a comment about car deaths thinking the family of the fallen would take exception to that and not her comments.


Why did they go in the first place?...Because they volunteered for military duty.
Who started it?...Debatable. Sadaam played chicken and paid for it with his life. Regardless of the reasons why (bluffing Iran is the most obvious) he got caught fucking the chicken.
I'd say the "cause" was Hussiens' reluctance to abide by the rules, the USA's lust for revenge after 911 (no, I'm not saying Iraq was responsible), the world intelligence's community thinking incorrectly that he had WMD (not just the intent), and GW's hard-on for confronting Saddam.

Great link Corkster!

"Honorably I might add."

Why? Because they kept their mouths shut? Suffered in private? Didn't challenge this administration for answers??


Posted by Lisa at 2007-05-29 04:34 PM |

I would say there are more mothers who have lost loved ones in Iraq thinking they died honorably than those thinking they died for a mistake or lie.

"'he USA's lust for revenge after 911"

Why didn't they go after OBL more aggressively? Why not put the majority of the focus on Afganistan?

If it was revenge the US wanted, then why BS this country into equating 911 with Saddam?

If someone hurt one of my children, and I wanted revenge...I wouldn't go after a third party. I'd gun right for the source!

I take it the Guardsmen over there are also dying for a cause they felt strongly enough to sign up for?




Posted by Corky at 2007-05-29 04:31 PM | Reply |


Danni asked a question that has as many answers as the number of soldiers that have died.
Did you ever see a documentary on WW2? Did you ever happen to notice that they (the vets, both wounded and whole) always mention that they fought for the guy in the foxhole next to him? Well guess what, that answer is good enough for me, unless of course you know better having worn the uniform and all?

What did the National Guardsmen sign up for Corky? If it was the college money then that's on him/her. If it was "to protect the State of _____" I'd say bullshit, but who knows.
I think they got the shaft personally, but again, I didn't sign that contract so I'm not aware of what it stated in regards to overseas deployment. Regardless though, I was taken aback when it was announced that they would be deploying.

"I would say there are more mothers who have lost loved ones in Iraq thinking they died honorably than those thinking they died for a mistake or lie."

I think they ALL think they died honorably...serving their country, Crisp.

The difference is, Cindy doubted the given reasons they were there in the first place. That's not dishonorable. Except of course to Bush supporters who don't feel it's right to question the motives of our leaders.

Honey, I'm not going to sit and argue about this....I just voiced my opinion I understood why she did what she did, even though I believe she went to far, many times.

101

Classic reading by the most decorated soldier, ever.

www.lexrex.com

Posted by Corky at 2007-05-29 04:33 PM | Reply


Yep, people make money during wars. People lose it too.
With all due respect, what does it have to do with Cindy Sheehan or Danni getting the mullet kicked off of her head by a deceased vets family for claiming they died for nothing?

I think they ALL think they died honorably...serving their country, Crisp

Posted by Lisa at 2007-05-29 04:42 PM |

Not Cindy Sheehan. She claims her son died because of Bush. Period end of story. Never has she mentioned honour and Casey in the same sentence. I respect your opinion Lisa and give you props for admitting CH went a little to far sometimes. But my point is she lied about not seeing the President and it was picked up by the Bush hating left as a pawn for their agenda. Now that she doesn't fit their agenda she has been cut loose. Which in my opinion proves she was being used.

"I would say there are more mothers who have lost loved ones in Iraq thinking they died honorably than those thinking they died for a mistake or lie."

I dare say you are correct, but that is a straw man because the two things are not mutually exclusive.

The troops who have been killed or injured have served honorably. They have done their duties to the best of their ability. That is not in question.

The question is whether or not the cause they died or were injured for is honorable and just. Most of the country believes it is not. In fact, if the latest Military Times survey is to be believed, the majority of the military no longer believes invading Iraq was the right thing to do and now disapprove of Bush's job performance.

Crisp:

I love ya, but wouldn't it be more fair to say that she was embraced by others who believe the same thing?

I'm not saying that Cindy may have been used by the dems, I'm just saying that when people share the same beliefs, they tend to stick together.

Look at the folks on this site. They're your good buddy when you agree with them, and once you voice a different opinion on anything that goes against theres....you're on their shit list.

Such is life sometimes.

I pretty much hate all ou fuckers whether we agree or not, although you, me, Joe, and Briwo did have a great Friday way back when.

Oh, come on...you love me!

And that WAS a great time!

pretty much hate all ou fuckers whether we agree or not, although you, me, Joe, and Briwo did have a great Friday way back when.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2007-05-29 04:58 PM

Does Briwo speak to you the way he writes here? If so did you give him a bitch slap?

With all due respect, 101, people could tell you why their friends and families sacrificed for WWI and WWII in a short, simple answer that all of America was behind.

This "war" has no such reason for our troops dying and our treasure wasted.

The reason they died is so that EXXON could have oil contracts and so that chickenhawk rightwing neocons like Cheney, Rummy, Wolfy, and Billy (Krystol) could feel like they had 9 inch cocks.

That is what they died for.

With all due respect, 101, people could tell you why their friends and families sacrificed for WWI and WWII in a short, simple answer that all of America was behind.


Posted by Corky at 2007-05-29 05:01 PM | Reply

You'd hear the "America and Apple Pie" answer if you asked the family. Ask the soldier what they fought for and you'll get a different answer.
Don't take my word for it, watch any interview of a WW2 vet. Rent Band of Brothers. The story and acting were great, but the interviews of the actual soldiers was where that show made hay with me.

This "war" has no such reason for our troops dying and our treasure wasted.

Posted by Corky at 2007-05-29 05:01 PM

Anymore than Korea or Vietnam. Yet those soldiers died just as honorably and as heros. I wasn't old enough to read the newspaper, but I will bet they(anti war groups) didn't go after the POTUS and claim it was for his own personal reasons. Or that they were lied into battle.

Does Briwo speak to you the way he writes here? If so did you give him a bitch slap?

Posted by crispee_oc at 2007-05-29 05:01 PM | Reply | Flag


Briwo is all bluster via the net (who isn't?). We're only as boisterous as we are because we can't relay tone so in order to clarify we amplify our rhetoric.
That's not to say I wouldn't tell some of these clowns to jam a thumb in their ass to their face, but not nearly as many as I do via the "101" handle.
Briwo is a good egg IMO.

Briwo is a good egg IMO.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2007-05-29 05:06 PM

Well that is another repected opinion. Lisa feels the same way. Looks like I am in the minority again here.

Well that is another repected opinion

RESPECTED. Sorry

So Crispee,

What was it that 50,000 plus American troops accomplished by dying in 'Nam?

Crisp,

Briwo is a cool dude.

JeefJ sucks elephant testicles, though.

What was it that 50,000 plus American troops accomplished by dying in 'Nam?

Posted by Corky at 2007-05-29 05:18 PM

I am not anywhere near qualified to answer that. I was trying to point out how those deaths were not blamed on Kennedy, Johnson as their mistake. Or their war. Or for their friends.Or for their bank accounts etc....

Well then, what are American troops accomplishing by dying in Iraq today?


Just so the Prez can cover his withdrawing ass with honor this fall?

Spud scratches his head, picks his nose and types some nonsensical shit but before he can finish I give him the answer. 99 percent of them all were volunteers.

Posted by Incubus_Con

Statements like this show the value the right places in our soldier's lives. In other words because they volunteered they can be abused and misused at will. I was once one of those that volunteered and your attitude is reprehensible.

It's only a hobby, Cork. I don't get paid to do that.

lol jeffy

I didn't claim you enjoyed it. That would be Crispee.

"Gee, how many American soldiers died because of Hugo Chavez???
How many died because George Bush lied???"

Hate to do it Danni but you forced my hand again:


"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

"Saddam?s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq?s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration?s policy towards Iraq, I don?t think there can be any question about Saddam?s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002

"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002

"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America?s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002

"Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002

"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002

"Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction." -- Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others

"Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

Source: Democrats

NicEVIL1e is still spammin', I see.

Bet the Historians still call it Bush's War, too.

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lol jeffy

I didn't claim you enjoyed it. That would be Crispee.




Posted by Corky at 2007-05-29 05:32 PM


Simple joke from a simple man

George L Costanza

Lighten up, Crisp!

It's a joke!

Besides, everyone knows it's monkey balls you really enjoy. : )

Besides, everyone knows it's monkey balls you really enjoy. : )

Posted by Lisa at 2007-05-29 06:05 PM

What??? You want a piece of me??? I know you will love this LOL. "Bring em on"

I call it the Tony Roma Technigue.


Oui.

G, I guess I should get in the Q before it gets too long.

LOL

Oh yeah, that worked so well the first time it was said, Crisp!!

LOL

Oh yeah, that worked so well the first time it was said, Crisp!!


Posted by Lisa at 2007-05-29 06:14 PM

Agreed Bella. I bet those keys are dented from your hard typing though.

Sarkov,

I'm just wondering would intelligence fixing have anything to do with the distorted views of WMDs that Congress and the American people had. If you think that Congress had the SAME information the White House had I have some swamp land I want to sell you in Florida. I guess you must have missed the reports lately of the intelligence community being given the directive to give Bush whatever information needed to JUSTIFY war with Iraq.

Additionally there were many ways to deal with Saddam, containment to name one which is what Clinton did. No, Bush declared Sadaam had WMDs without a doubt, he tried to tie Sadaam to 9/11 (that was a lie and I don't know of any Democratic congressman ever making that claim), he changed America's bedrock principle from declaring war as a retaliatory measure to a preemptive measure, and he concocted the phrase "War on Terror" (I said it was stupid, undefinable, and unwinnable then and I still say it today), etc.

What troubles me most about your stance is you don't understand that Bush is and was the President then so the responsibility lies with him regardless to what the Congress says on this matter. It was Bush's choice and decision a fact that many righties try to run from. Don't soundbite to try to defend a bumbling President. Be man or woman enough to admit the catastrophic mistakes.

Same intel Clinton, who was at least a semi Pres, had and then Congrss voted, including Hill, wife of Semi Pres Clinton, to give us the go ahead for the Iraq war.


It is really simple unless you are a lefty who needs to lie about it.

The WORLD had the intel, NOT just us.

No amount of lies on the left and circle jerk liberal "argument" will change the facts.

And you have to wonder why Bush is not under the jail. much less in it then.

It was Bush's choice and decision a fact that many righties try to run from. Don't soundbite to try to defend a bumbling President. Be man or woman enough to admit the catastrophic mistakes.

Posted by slbow43 at 2007-05-29 06:24 PM |

Many righties also understand Congress voted to authorize Bush to go to war. If they didn't read the entire Intelligence Reports, they deserve to be shamed and cannot run from their decisions. Those that decided to read the briefs only and make their vote including Democrats should be held accountable. To those who did their job and took the time to read everything presented should be recognized and applauded.

"I bet those keys are dented from your hard typing though."

Naaaw...I was laughing.

Same intel Clinton, who was at least a semi Pres, had and then Congrss voted, including Hill, wife of Semi Pres Clinton, to give us the go ahead for the Iraq war.

Posted by Sarvkov at 2007-05-29 06:33 PM

So are you saying there was NO new/updated intel between the time Clinton left office and Bush decided to attack Iran? And I do believe Bush, Cheney, and Gonzales should be in jail.

Many righties also understand Congress voted to authorize Bush to go to war.

Posted by crispee_oc at 2007-05-29 06:38 PM

They authorized him to use that level of force AFTER exhausting other means, like giving those weapons inspectors the additional time they asked for.

Jesus was crucified on a cross.

Cindy Sheehan was crucified in the media.

At the end of the day they are both martyrs for peace.

Only difference is, Cindy survived her crucifixion.

101 sed...

"They died for the guy to their right and the guy to their left. They died fighting for the country whose flag they fought under. They died for a cause that they felt strongly enough to sign up for."

They died for lies.

They died for oil.

They died for Israel and SA.

They died for PNAC.

That's all.

All soldiers die for the guy on their left and right.

In all wars.

On all sides.

In Iraq the people who are dying trying to expel the foreign occupiers think they are dying for their family, friends and country too.

Small world.

No sane person questions the patriotism of the American troops.

But the MSM uniformly treat everybody in Iraq who want America out as terrorists.

They aint, mostly.

101 you mentioned the troops support of the "cause"

The question there lies in between what they think they are fighting and dying for (ie a Free and democratic Iraq, friendly to the west)and wot they are actually fighting and dying for (Western corporate control of the massive oil reserves in Iraq once state run).

So wot is the real "cause" at the end of the day?

What is all the killing and dying for?

For Lies based on Unsupportable Greed.

Even shorter?

Nothing good.

Shorter still?

"Nothing"

Be Well.

Let us not forget the first Gulf War:

The number of coalition wounded in combat seems to have been less than 1,000. However, as of the year 2000, 183,000 U.S. veterans of the Gulf War, more than a quarter of the U.S. troops who participated in War, have been declared permanently disabled by the Department of Veterans Affairs [4]. About 30% of the 700,000 men and women who served in U.S. forces the Gulf War still suffer an array of serious symptoms whose causes are not fully understood.

Let's add the 3500 dead in this fiasco. How casually we forget that this is the 2nd go around.

I served in the 1st. It's ironic that we had to go back a 2nd time to finish Daddy Bush's work.

Iraq has cost us much and shows nothing for it.

Some got rich...Not me, or Cindy.

Na Na Na Naa
Na Na Na Naa

Hey Cindy

Good Bye

Murphy

This day marks the end, and the beginning.

And you have to wonder why Bush is not under the jail. much less in it then.

Posted by Sarvkov at 2007-05-29 06:33


Because the democrats don't have the balls to do their duty to the country.

When did Peace become a bad word?

Having read about half of the above I can see my point was completely misunderstood.

Perhaps I'll try again

1) She quit. I said I have no problem with that.

2) She was once a leader of the peace movement. I said I supported that (and still do regardless of her participation).

3) She quit by saying all those who supported her weren't up to her standards and were the reason for her quiting.

4) F U Cindy. Quit if you like. Those that fight for peace don't deserve you slagging them however because you don't think they slavishly devote themselves to the only vision you subscribe to. There is a middle ground (damn those lib values bubbling up when you least expect it).

You stood for something. You now stand for denigrating those that continue to stand for that same thing.

Disagree with me on the above? Bring it on! (I'll be off making myself even less useful elsewhere on the DR).

Read those words again:

I can't make you be that country unless you want it.

It's up to you now"

There was nothing wrong with Cindy and her message of anti-war and dying for a noble cause.

She went off the table with her Anti-American statements--going to other countries and spouting the same BS.

The hammer came down though when she lit into Hillary and the Dems--shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you.

I hope she finds some peace of her own with the loss of her son.

Says a lot though when her ex-husband didn't know about it. It appears she has a lot of fence building to do with her family.

Murphy

"Na Na Na Naa
Na Na Na Naa

Hey Cindy

Good Bye"

We'll be singing the same song when Bush's term ends.

Unfortunately, there will be well over 3500 less to sing with us.

Right on, Spud. I had thoughts all day regarding this thread, and I guess it all comes down to, "Thank you, Cindy." She's not the first and won't be the last to taste the sting of power's rage after truth has been spoken to it.

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness. I have a hunch that Cindy still will.

Blessed are the peacemakers, too. Keep on keepin' on. This world may be wicked, but we all have the option of having courage and faith in the face of sin and corruption. At least we can change ourselves, if not the world. And that's nothing to spit upon, much less crucify.

Amen, Jimi, Amen.

I have been casually following the 'Cindy story' since it started.

Here is how I view the situation in its entirety:

Her over-riding motivation for her actions were a combination of grief and a sense of right and wrong. I think she really enjoyed all of the attention that was lavished upon her, but I really think she viewed that attention as a positive by-product, not the reason for taking action. In balance, her story was a compelling one, however she was used like a pawn and many could clearly see that (more on that theme in a moment).

She created problems for herself in a number of ways:

1. She used the death of her son to springboard her message, however her son appeared to support the mission (extrapolated from the fact that he re-enlisted and the fact that much of Cindy's family was at odds with her actions). This came off as manipulative and nasty.

2. She spewed some of the farthest-left talking points and buddied up with the likes of Chavez who was clearly using her for political purposes.

3. She made a spectacle of herself on a few occasions needlessly getting arrested (a couple, but not all, of the arrests were probably over-zealousness on the part of law enforcement).


She was stung twice:

1. The loss of her son to a war that she viewed as being launched for the most nefarious of purposes.

2. Discovering that the political left was using her like a pawn for partisan reasons and didn't give a rat's ass about her plight - only using her plight for political gain. Note: I don't mean ALL of the Left did this, just the political left.


In the end, I've got to wonder which stung more, 1 or 2.


I am a little surprised that it was the realization of #2 that ultimately led for her to call it quits. Just because the left is slimy too, doesn't mean that her cause isn't worth fighting....


All in all, I feel tremendous pity for this woman. She's been through an emotional roller coaster not the least of which has been a degree of estrangement from her family. I hope she manages to find peace with herself (maybe she already has) and I hope she can find happiness for herself. She appears to have dedicated herself to a cause, which is fine. However, she needs to care for herself first.

Jeff

Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber, you go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself!

Thank you, Cairo!

....Oh, don't let that last post fool you though. It was a brief moment of clarity on my part.

Stupidity will soon take hold anew once again! ;-)

I'd just be cautious of where compliments like the above come from Jeff. Just consider the source. Not reliable for 'nuttin dat Cyroe guy.

Your truely in brief moments of clarity,

I hear ya, Cairo.

Don't worry, I won't let it go to my head.


I know that within moments I'll either be riding the fence or will be making some truly f-ing stupid comments.

Cindy Sheehan is a true American hero, and she deserves the Medal of Freedom more than anyone Bushie has given it to so far.

and she deserves the Medal of Freedom more than anyone

Either that or a gift certificate to the day spa.

Personally, I like the little hemp bracelets she wore.

Undoubtedly woven by some Kos-posting shitstains channeling his/her past affection for the "cool" mom who bought beer for the gang back in high school.

I fucked my possessives up above.

My Bad.

Did they feel good Mao??

Larry

What kind of question is that, Larry?

Don't tell me that you've never fucked a possessive!

Well, I have and it felt fucking great!

Real good Larry

Mao

I just wish they'd shower more often...

'cause you work your way down to the belly-button, and...BAM...

...half the fun is gone.

Cindy Sheehan is a true American hero, and she deserves the Medal of Freedom more than anyone Bushie has given it to so far.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob


Serious question, Bbob:


What does one have to say or do to become a 'true American hero' in your eyes?

I hear ya on the colons and semi-colons, Larry.


What about periods?

Ever fucked during a period?

*Be cryptic if necessary - Rcade is watching!*

He died for nothing ...

Posted by danni at 2007-05-29 09:02 AM | Reply

Casey Sheehan requested, and was granted, a second tour of duty in Iraq. Knowing full well what he faced.

Apparently somebody thought it was more than 'nothing.'

Even if Danni doesn't agree.

Nah I don't have My "Red WIng" Certificate if that is what You are asking hehehehehe I hear it is "Edifying"

Larry

Larry,

I've racked my brain for a response, but can't come up with one for your last post.


You've stumped me, dude! (please don't make an innuendo out of that)

What does one have to say or do to become a 'true American hero' in your eyes?

Posted by JeffJ

I'd say stand up the the President very publicy in a time when you're worried about getting on their 'feces list' and 'no fly lists' for just being an American and exercising your Constitutional rights as so many have already to their detriment.....and needlessly.

When the FBI and DHS are photographing people engaging in antiwar protests, I'd say America has turned into a place I don't recognize as a citizen with Constitutional rights so many fought and died to preserve.

And those who fought to give us the rights Bush and Cheney would like to see disappear into the nethers during his 'Unitary Executive', which translates into:

Dictatorship

Thank God Congress changed hands. There's no telling what they'd have done if left with a rubber stamp Congress.

What does one have to say or do to become a 'true American hero' in your eyes?

Posted by JeffJ at 2007-05-30 01:21 AM

Having the courage to take your beliefs to the streets against widespread public ctiticism instead of sitting on your ass blogging away like you--and me.

Jeff J

Serious question Jeff J


What does one have to say or do to become a 'true American hero' in your eyes?

Having the courage to take your beliefs to the streets against widespread public ctiticism

Sounds like Bob is saying that people who go out in the street in cities like New York and LA and show their support for our President and the War are "true american heroes" -- I would agree.

Maybe Elizabeth Hasselbeck should get the "medal of Freedom"

Casey Sheehan requested, and was granted, a second tour of duty in Iraq. Knowing full well what he faced.

We all know that Cindy Sheehan was all about Cindy. She just used her son as a prop to give credibility to her anti-war agenda. His beliefs about the war were irrelevant.

What does one have to say or do to become a 'true American hero' in your eyes?

Posted by Buffalo_Bob


I would define a 'true American hero' as one who attempts to help others and in the process assumes considerable personal risk.

However, I'd say the level of risk would have to exceed personal criticism.

Can't wait to see if Bowaaaaaa flags those posters who use it.

But you won't, will you, Bowaaaaa??? Because the vulgarity doesn't bother you unless I say it!

Like I've said all along..you're a fraud, phoney, liar....and now the word hypocrite comes to mind.

I see your "happiness" is on full display again today Lisa.

LOL


BTW: I flag many posts that I find abusive and innappropriate -- not just yours. If you find "flagging" comments so distasteful, I suggest you take it up with Rcade and get him to remove the "flag" boxes next to each post.

"I would define a 'true American hero' as one who attempts to help others and in the process assumes considerable personal risk."

Hmmmm...that pretty much describes Sheehan.

1. She tried to help others save the lives of their children, stop them from becoming seriously injured.

2. Need I point out her personal sacrifice?

"I'd say the level of risk would have to exceed personal criticism"

By your terms, no one can look at Bush as a hero. He wouldn't put himself in harms way to fight for this country. He had no personal sacrifice.

Are you suggesting that in order to be a hero in your eyes, one must be in physical danger??

I see MLK as a hero. And although he was shot by an extremist....he wasn't in harms way every day.

There are many forms of heroics.

"I see your "happiness" is on full display again today Lisa."

Oh, I am quite happy!

It's always a pleasure to point out your hypocrocy.

I'm beginning to agree with Ride On. RCADE should post who flags what.

You of course, wouldn't like that.

I don't find flags distasteful. I find you using them to intentionally get people kicked off by flagging posts that are tame to most others, distasteful, dishonest and quite transparent.

I must say, compared to your other numerous handles, this one is the most fitting Bowaaaaaaaaa.

However, I'd say the level of risk would have to exceed personal criticism.

Posted by JeffJ at 2007-05-30 08:10 AM


You don't think Sheehan was in personal physical danger 24 hours a day for months on end? This country is full of whackos--we kill more people with guns every year than we lost in Viet Nam. This is America---not LaLa Land. It's liberals who are shot--not conservatives. I would say Sheehan was in as much persoanl danger as any one of our soldiers in Iraq, and I would say she is still in danger if she never speaks again.

I don't find flags distasteful. I find you using them to intentionally get people kicked off by flagging posts that are tame to most others, distasteful, dishonest and quite transparent.

Your posts to moom that night were not tame -- they were vile and abusive. So please stop rewriting history.

You have shown yourself to be a bitter, vindictive, hateful woman who is still angry that you were not able to spew your
bile unchecked and were given a time-out for a few days.

Boo-hoo. get over it already.

You don't think Sheehan was in personal physical danger 24 hours a day for months on end?


She was in no more danger than anybody else who takes a public stance on a controversial issue. So no, I don't think she was in serious danger.


It's liberals who are shot--not conservatives.

Tell that to Ronald Reagan.

""sad that they had to lose so many and glad that people like danni and many of the leftwingers here werent around in the early 40's........""

Comparing WWII to the Iraq war is an insult to FDR.

Posted by danni at 2007-05-29 10:39 AM


and so there will never be another reference to the lengths of each of these wars, then right.......yeah dont bet on it....the left will use things they tell us we cant whenever they find it suits them,.............


and someone asked if anyone wanted to buy this property......I am sure you would have to bulldoze most of it over as leftists are known for lecturing and preaching to us about the environment, but then turn around and leave places like this as more of a cesspool...........the ditches are said to be little more than trash receptacles while they were there...........

My guess is that Ms Sheehan will not find any country up to her liking. She will fade into obscurity but will surface from time to time when the press or one political party or the other needs a darling or a villain. Don't get me wrong, I don't like her or her politics and wish she would leave but until she renounces her citizenship she is still a citizen.

I don't like her or her politics and wish she would leave but until she renounces her citizenship she is still a citizen.

Posted by Wilbur

This time of war......... we need to be all together......Ban all conflicting protest........Ban the bitch ship her ass out of my country

Tell that to Ronald Reagan.


Posted by JeffJ

And where is he when he is needed??????????????

Tell that to Ronald Reagan.



Posted by JeffJ at 2007-05-30 08:42 AM

Reagan wasn't shot for political reasons. There was and is a lot of serious hate for Sheehan If you don't think Sheehan was in serious personal danger then your judgement is impaired. I guess if she gets assaulted or shot you will have expected it all along---and she still wouldn't be a hero to you. Trying to keep other mothers from going thorough what she's gone through---trying to save American lives. Trying to stop a stop a stupid war that's killing Americans for nothing. Yeah---she's no hero to you.

And where is he when he is needed??????????????

Posted by American_Flag at 2007-05-30 09:00 AM


He was never needed. If we need someone to sell arms to the enemy we still have Ollie North.

""She was in no more danger than anybody else who takes a public stance on a controversial issue. So no, I don't think she was in serious danger.""

That is because you don't have a clue about what you are talking about. Go to any peace rally and wait...soon the lunatic right wing patriot will show up threatening to "kick some anti-American ass." It almost never fails. Those who can't argue, who don't have a clue end up resorting to violence to express their opinions.

This time of war.........

What war are you talking about? What army are we fighting--what country is our enemy? Terrorists? Fine. Define what a terrorist is.


we need to be all together......

UM--not with assholes like you. I fight for freedom only. Assholes like you belong on the other side.


"Ban all conflicting protest........

Give up all your rights forever, march like a zombie, worship Jesus, and die when told.


"Ban the bitch ship her ass out of my country"

It ain't your country yet slime ball. We still got free speech for a while yet--at least the illusion of it.

Posted by American_Flag at 2007-05-30 08:59 AM | Reply

Your name is an insult to the men and women who died under that flag. Especially this close to Memorial Day. You aren't an American. You are just a citizen. A shit for brains citizen.

Reagan wasn't shot for political reasons.


Um, OK. My point was that you claimed that liberals get shot and conservatives don't - Reagan's shooting disproves that comment.


If you don't think Sheehan was in serious personal danger then your judgement is impaired.

I disagree. She was in no more personal danger than David Horowitz, Noam Chomsky, Ann Coulter or any other strongly opinionated public figure. Was she completely free from personal risk? No. Was she in serious danger? No.


Yeah---she's no hero to you.

Hero is an over-used term IMO.

She's dedicated to her cause. Many, many people take up a cause with similar fervor. Doing so makes them dedicated, not necessarily heroic.

That is because you don't have a clue about what you are talking about. Go to any peace rally and wait...soon the lunatic right wing patriot will show up threatening to "kick some anti-American ass." It almost never fails. Those who can't argue, who don't have a clue end up resorting to violence to express their opinions.

Posted by danni


It's very much like a Conservative speaker giving a speech on a liberal college campus, except that oftentimes a degree of personal assault ACTUALLY takes place; usually in the form of food being thrown at the speaker.


Danni, I am serious, you have GOT to get over your 'us vs. them' mentality. It is so pervasive that it causes you to make illogical comments on a frequent basis.

"Um, OK. My point was that you claimed that liberals get shot and conservatives don't - Reagan's shooting disproves that comment."

Um no it doesn't Reagan was shot because he was a conservative.

Liberals are shot because they are liberals.

That you fail to see the distinction doesn't surprise me. Just know the difference is significant.

Let me try to put it in terms you might understand.

There is an animal that has beautiful fur, and there is an animal that has ugly mangy fur.

The animals with beautiful fur are shot all the time for their fur. The animals with ugly mangy animals are never shot for their fur.

Then one day a hunter wanted to prove his bravery to his woman so he shot the ugly mangy animal.

Does that disprove that ugly mangy animals are never shot for their fur?

reagan was NOT shot because he was a conservative. Sorry.

You are hilarious BBob.


I wish I could be more progressive so that I could have beautiful fur and be targeted for assassination by some ignorant Conservative.

We are now at an impasse in the discussion - you've taken the position of 'my side is good and your side is bad', which leads us to a dead-end.

Bob,
Unplug the computer and re-charge the Lil Rascal. It's a nice day outside and there will be plenty of kids to chase off the retirement home lawn. You're going to need full power today pops.

Cindy Sheehan: "I Quit"

YYYYAAAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!!!

Jeff J

Weak.

I am sorry she quit. There I said it.

It is a role that needs to be filled.

I mean just look how much she pissed of the Republicons! That right there was worth it to me.

Hopefully, someone a bit less "controversial" will step up to the plate.

Someone needs to hold this President's toes to the fire that he created.

I loved it when the Righties called her
"Cindy Shehag"
Apparently she pushed all their buttons.

I loved it when the Righties called her
"Cindy Shehag"
Apparently she pushed all their buttons.

Posted by geehowdyfrommo at 2007-05-30 01:24 PM | Reply


Or when the lefties called her an "attention whore" for calling out the Dems? That was great too. I know it's easy to get the lefties panties all wadded up, but it's still funny.

Cindy for President!

that's all we need. an emotionally-disturbed woman, trying to cope as best she can with her grief, running the country.

hmmm, that could refer to queen hillary as well, i suppose.

that's all we need. an emotionally-disturbed woman, trying to cope as best she can with her grief, running the country.

Better than the meglo-maniacal dictator we currently have.

hmmm, that could refer to queen hillary as well, i suppose.

No comparison between these 2. Cindy wants no part of government (my ideal candidate) and hillary should disappear before seriously damaging this country.

I feel that Cindy is correct in her assessment of both repubs and democrats. It is time for something else.

I find it funny, that you lazy slobs "disagree with how she protested". Please do tell.. how would have YOU protested?

Well not blowing Hugo Chavez, not speaking about Israel, and sticking to "por me poor me, my son was killed in Iraq oh woe is me I'm fat and ugly" would have been a good start. Too bad she strayed from the only thing she knew how to do...Looking sad and pathetic.

as opposed to what you know how to do?

like acting sad and pathetic?

She got more guts, more heart, more intelligence, and more patriotism than you'll ever evince 101.

Be Well.

as opposed to what you know how to do?

like acting sad and pathetic?

Posted by donnerboy at 2007-05-30 04:04 PM | Reply


Ripping on a fame seeking twat via a message board and using your sons death benefits to travel around with Susan Sarandon, Hugo Chavez, and Dany Glover trying to extend your 15 minutes of fame are quite different toots.

If you respected her so much why didn't you show up at her book signing like all of the other person.

She got more guts, more heart, more intelligence, and more patriotism than you'll ever evince 101.


You forgot more cellulite and more body odor.

Sincerely,

101Chairborne

and certainly a great deal of emotional turmoil, for which her psychological defenses were starkingly obvious.

"Well not blowing Hugo Chavez, not speaking about Israel, and sticking to "por me poor me, my son was killed in Iraq oh woe is me I'm fat and ugly" would have been a good start. Too bad she strayed from the only thing she knew how to do...Looking sad and pathetic."

Spud hopes Bush Quits too.

Impeachment would be better.

When not blowing the entire Yale Football team, not losing 2 wars at once, and sticking to "I'm the deciderer and horse milkerer" would have been a good start. Too bad he strayed from the only thing he knew how to do...doing lines of blow and blowing lined up fratboys.

Be Well.

like I have time for that!

maybe if it was near here... but nothing is near here!

And I actually have a life. I do not have the luxury or time to do any of these things. Of course they count on this.

I do write Congress...

But, she did fill a need and was a voice for thousands of frustrated Americans.

Those Americans still need to be heard above you and your Neocon buddies Like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Bimbaugh.

Spud hopes Bush Quits too.

Impeachment would be better.

When not blowing the entire Yale Football team, not losing 2 wars at once, and sticking to "I'm the deciderer and horse milkerer" would have been a good start. Too bad he strayed from the only thing he knew how to do...doing lines of blow and blowing lined up fratboys.

Be Well.


Posted by dethspud at 2007-05-30 04:26 PM | Reply


Clearly my anti-Cindy post hurt your little feelings, so you in turn are attempting to "hurt" mine with the above post? That is one of the saddest and lamest things I have ever seen, including you calling yourself a potato and refering to yourself in the 3rd person.

Cindy met the "shut up, we have power now, get in lockstep" side of the democratic party. Of course this line runs parallel to the republican party who preach the same message when they have power. Both parties conveniently forget the people and principles they were elected to uphold and instead just bask in the glory of their own political power.

DonnerBOY,
You failed to address Cindy traveling and hob nobbing with Hollywood and Dictators on Casey's death bene's.
How about Cindy's views on Israel?

She's a tired old bag of shit, and your hero, Congrats.

Bill O a Neo-Con? Are we talking about the same ove the top wishy washy Fox News Character?...Yikes, you are stupid.

DonnerBOY,
You failed to address Cindy traveling and hob nobbing with Hollywood and Dictators on Casey's death bene's.
How about Cindy's views on Israel?

She's a tired old bag of shit, and your hero, Congrats.

Bill O a Neo-Con? Are we talking about the same ove the top wishy washy Fox News Character?...Yikes, you are stupid.

101 is talk about "...the saddest and lamest things I have ever seen"

Wot?

The image of yer dry-drunk pre-senile dementia IDiot POTUS back in his hey-day drinking, snorting or guzzlin' goo?

...or were you talking about yer mirror again.

Spud keeps telling you just put a sheet over it and it won't bother you so much any more.

Be Well.

She is Idiot. I cannot believe so many stupid people have been listing to her for so long. She should be locked up for Treason! Good riddance you dumb bitch!!!!

Bill O a Neo-Con? Are we talking about the same ove the top wishy washy Fox News Character?...Yikes, you are stupid.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2007-05-30 04:42 PM



O'Reilly's Foxing Of Facts Knows No Bounds
What torture? What dead Iraqis? What protests? What war?

Infowars.net | March 21, 2007
Steve Watson

Bill O'Reilly's pathetic attempts to counter Sunsara Taylor of anti-war organisation "The World Can't Wait" on his show this week again reveal how Fox News and other Neocon media outlets like it exist purely to silence anyone who criticizes the Bush Administration on any issue.

Yikes! those DAMN pesky facts getting in the way again NEOCON!

DonnerBOY,
You failed to address Cindy traveling and hob nobbing with Hollywood and Dictators on Casey's death bene's.
How about Cindy's views on Israel?

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2007-05-30 04:42 PM

I didn't fail to address anything.

I don't have to agree with everything she says... she is not running for President.

She is an American Citizen who lost her child in an Immoral and Illegal War who trying to be heard.

I can respect that.

I respect her. She has more cajones than ANYONE on this pathetic site.

Personally I am ashamed.

And you ought to be ashamed too.

(& scared!)