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Tuesday, May 22, 2007

In his new book The Assault On Reason, Al Gore takes on President Bush for the Iraq War and a hunger for power he compares to Nixon. "History will surely judge America's decision to invade and occupy (Iraq) ... as a decision that was not only tragic but absurd," he writes.

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Sept. 11, Iraq and al Qaeda

But in the book Gore sheds his inner Marshall McLuhan for his inner Michael Moore, saying that if "Bush and Cheney actually believed in the linkage (between Iraq and al Qaeda) that they asserted -- in spite of all the evidence to the contrary presented to them contemporaneously -- that would by itself in light of the available evidence, make them genuinely unfit to lead our nation. On the other hand, if they knew the truth and lied, massively and repeatedly, isn't that worse? Are they too gullible or too dishonest?"

(Gore said Monday that the 2006 midterm successes of the Democrats were not an example of democracy's conversation failing, but "a belated response to some of the perceived mistakes of the current administration. But I think the threshold for change was way too high.")

Gore writes that since "Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack ... then that means the president took us to war when he didn't have to and that over 3,000 American service members have been killed ... unnecessarily."

When asked if that meant U.S. troops had died in vain, Gore said Monday that "those who serve our country are honored in memory" but that the issue is "there is hardly anybody left in America ... who doesn't believe that it was a terrible mistake to invade a country that didn't attack us. But all of the evidence necessary to make that judgment before we invaded was available ... We have been making a series of really important, really big mistakes, and the question is how can we reinvigorate the role of 'We the People' in American democracy so that we're part of the conversation and so that those (in power) ... are listening to reason, are looking at the facts and not brushing past them."

I'll wait for the movie.

If only Gore had been elected, as he probably was.....

Glad that bitch Katherine Harris went down in flames.

I dunno.. she did seem to have some nice tits.

The Assault on Reason'

More like "the assault on my gag reflex"

Which one's Al Gore again? Is he the guy who flies on private jets all over the world to warn us about global warming and man-made carbon emissions? Or is he the one who lost his home state in the 2000 election? Or is he that guy who was arguing for an invasion of Iraq when Clinton was president?

Gore's selling as much shit as he can while he can a movie, a book, carbon offsets......

Good businessman.

Evveryybodyyy sing...Attack the messenger....

Knighthawk, I will never forgive you for that image...What? Bea Arthur next?

Regardless of his motives he is right on the money about Bush and his war. As the disaster unfolds it become more and more difficult for even former Bush supporters to deny it. As the Justice Dept. scandal unfolds it makes it laughable when some still try to defend these criminals.
Jan. 2009 the end of an error.
Too bad the consequences will last longer than his presidency.

"Which one's Al Gore again? Is he the guy who flies on private jets all over the world to warn us about global warming and man-made carbon emissions?"
Posted by rightisright at 2007-05-21 10:27 P

YEAH!

And people are buying it!

The man is a billionaire! A SUCCESSFUL business man who made his own fortune --- something GW never was and never will!

Free Market and all!

Really chaps your ass doesn't it!

I get tremendous satisfaction watching you Fake Plastic squirm in envy and anger at having been beat at your own game!

Yup, someone fly's about at their OWN expense selling what people are buying ---- sounds like business to me!

Someone else flies about on OUR expense selling what no one is buying ----- sounds like Bushit to me!

I say let the "Free Market" (including ideas) decide and the "Free Market" clearly paints Gore the winner!


I dunno.. she did seem to have some nice tits.

Posted by KnightHawk at 2007-05-21 07:54 PM | Reply |


all right.....common ground among political opposites..........as in,........all men are pigs.

oink oink BABY!~!!!!!!!!!!

YEAH!

And rightisright Says:

Lost Another to Rednech!

so are you to tell me that someone actually BOUGHT this book........


and there was a report from a meteorologist as reported on the radio yesterday who is saying that global climate change is all a hoax and a political scam and that in FIVE YEARS it will be little more than a joke on late night talk shows..............
so IF that does come true.....will there be an apology from algore and tHE REST OF YOU????????
and then we can talk about absurdity


Wow, BLT....

A report from a meteorologist... what a coup!

Those thousands of internationally recognized scientists in the vast majority that disagree.... should perhaps try out for Channel 4 News?

In New Zealand?

so are you to tell me that someone actually BOUGHT this book........

BLT, some people will read anything. I've been reading your incoherent shit for years. I'm still amazed that you haven't picked up any skills.

Oh, excuse me. I meant to say "nuanced shit".

Why do you always just play it safe and lay up in front of the green? An unnamed and anonymous "meteorologist" bloviating on the radio? Is that what passes as verification for you? Here in LA, we have a whiskey-voiced weather girl that likes to ride around in a helicopter giving the 5-day-forcast, but I would hardly refer to her as a unpeachable source as to the veracity of global warming, no matter how big her breasts are.

A billionaire, huh?

Don't really think so.

Wow, BLT....

A report from a meteorologist... what a coup!



Probably the same news outfit from which BLT got his report that Sharia law was now the law in Minnesota.
It's one thing to be ignorant (sorry, Kansas), but quite another to choose ignorance.

Why doesn't he or Carter throw their hats in the ring? To my knowlege there's no law preventing either of them from becoming president. Is there?

The only thing that stops either of them from running is that they both know deep down inside they don't have a chance.

For Carter he's worried about how he'll be remembered so he keeps ranting. For Gore he keeps ranting because some people keep paying him to do so.

Both of em are irrelevent.

The only thing that stops either of them from running is that they both know deep down inside they don't have a chance.

Both of em are irrelevent.

Like you?

Irrelevant indeed.

""Both of em are irrelevent.""

And you commenting in this thread proves that. Al Gore is irrelevant, that's why righties talk about him so much.
He's irrelevant in the same way Michael Moore is.

Well, not really. The contestants on American Idol are irrelevant, but people all around the country comment on them every day.
Point taken, though--Al Gore and Michael Moore are relevant in about the same way Taylor Hicks and Paris Hilton are. They all make for interesting conversation, but if you're looking for serious policy discussions without bald-faced self-promotion, best to look elsewhere.

it is awful self righteous to think everyone who disagrees with you is evil-people on the left easily saw this in fallwell do they see this in gore-from what i can see the only difference in this outlook is fallwell is dead (gore jus looks that way
jasman

it is awful self righteous to think everyone who disagrees with you is evil-people on the left easily saw this in fallwell do they see this in gore-from what i can see the only difference in this outlook is fallwell is dead (gore jus looks that way
jasman

Perhaps you could point us the "right" direction? You know, just to see how irrelevant they might be as well? Unlike you, I'll avoid making specious comparisons of your examples to Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd.

Hey...don't blame me. It's your frame.

"Hannibal Lecter: First principles, Clarice. Simplicity. Read Marcus Aurelius. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature?"

Bush as President is in itself the assault on reason.

""people on the left easily saw this in fallwell do they see this in gore""

I must have missed the story when Gore blamed 9-11 on gays or some other minority. Hardly similar.

BLT,

so IF that does come true.....will there be an apology from algore and tHE REST OF YOU????????

If it turns out that Al is correct about some of the predictions, will you apologize?.....Ohhh...never mind, you won't live that long. Maybe your Grandkids, or former students, can apologize for you, if any of them are still around.

What do you care? You got yours, right?

dannie
they both see people opposed to them a evil and devious----gore seems to be blamin bush for believein what he(gore believed pre iraq war)that sadaam ws a mischief maker -was gore then evil and now reformed?
jasman

""(gore believed pre iraq war)that sadaam ws a mischief maker""

Errrr, who didn't???
That hardly justified an invasion/occupation that strengthened Iran and cost us 3500 soldiers lives.

If you think Gore and Falwell are equivalent then fine, I don't care but it doesn't make you look very realistic.

Run, Al, run. And make Barack your Numbah Two. You are relevant, baby. Michael Moore is relevant too, as relevant as TRUth with a capital TRU.

Bush relevant? As gawd's way of telling us she is pissed off at people. Personally, I preferred locusts. Even killing the first-born . herm

""Gore could say, in his smarmy condescending way,.....Thank you Charlie Crist for instituting a paper trail in Florida so elections won't be so easy to steal. Gee, wonder why Jeb Bush refused to do it.

Nice quote, Blueinbushland!

"Hannibal Lecter: "First principles, Clarice. Simplicity. Read Marcus Aurelius. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature?""

The nature of BushCo is to consolidate power and to service corporate agendas to the point of lying a country into war to steal another countries natural resources.

They lie and they steal.

That is their nature.

Be Well.

Jeb Bush, Karl Rove and James Baker renounced Democracy in Florida. But Gore's mannerisms reduced his margin of victory to within their striking range.

Election fraud needs to be investigated and prosecuted. Many felonies have been commited.

The nature of BushCo is to consolidate power and to service corporate agendas to the point of lying a country into war to steal another countries natural resources.


Which natural resources in Iraq have been stolen, Spud?

I still find it amusing that the libs (like Danni) are not yet over Florida 2000. Plus, they accuse the wrong candidate of trying to steal the election. If you remember, it was Al Gore who wanted to recount only the votes from heavily democratic counties. What a laugher. Plus, he tried to cancel the absentee military ballots.

I wonder what you Bush-lovers would post here if the laws changed and Bushco could be in power for another eight years...

Oops! That's right.. you wouldn't post anything here because you would have willingly given up your free speach rights under the newly expanded Patriot Act!

When will you guys get a clue? Your boy is a class A fuck up.

Which natural resources in Iraq have been stolen, Spud?
Posted by JeffJ at 2007-05-22 01:34 PM


YEAH! The one we are all born with the ability to convey (some would say our god given responsibility):

The Truth!



But anyway, I would like to see Gores approval ratings compared to Bush!

Yup, in the War of Ideas ---- the Fake Plastics are already a casualty!

In the battle for Hearts and Minds ---- Gore and those who believe in leaving something behind for our children (regardless of motivation) are clearly becoming the winners (thanks to Bush's demonstration of what passes as conservative values today)!

And of course, in the mind and mouth of the Fake Plastic "conservatives" (AKA personal responsibility champions) ---- its someone else's fault they can't sell their evil greedy little ideas to the masses anymore!

God this is more fun to watch than I ever could have imagined!

Red,


Are you drunk, or high, or something?


That post was absolutely incoherent. It served as a reminder as to why I usually skip your posts altogether.

He said the Republicans have lost their mass appeal!!!

YEAH!

You asked what natural resource has been stolen from the Iraqi people and I answered that the Truth has been stolen!

Now either you think the "truth" is inconsequential and meaningless or you are simply responding in a way that indicates you have lost (the argument) another (intellectual challenge to the base of your "principles" of truth and liberty) to Rednech!

""Plus, they accuse the wrong candidate of trying to steal the election.""

Yeah, Al Gore's brother was the governor who refused to allow a paper trail.
You can repeat the talking point all you want but most of America realizes the truth about Florida 2000. I'm not even going to debate it again but no, we will never forget.
Let's see how it goes WITH a paper trail.
BTW, Charlie Crist is a Republican who happens to also believe in fair elections. Surprising but true.

"Which natural resources in Iraq have been stolen, Spud?"

The entire Iraqi economy has been effectively stolen by this admin.

C'mon. Ya never read Baghdad Year Zero yet?

www.harpers.org

There was Order 37, which lowered Iraq's corporate tax rate from roughly 40 percent to a flat 15 percent. There was Order 39, which allowed foreign companies to own 100 percent of Iraqi assets outside of the natural-resource sector. Even better, investors could take 100 percent of the profits they made in Iraq out of the country; they would not be required to reinvest and they would not be taxed. Under Order 39, they could sign leases and contracts that would last for forty years. Order 40 welcomed foreign banks to Iraq under the same favorable terms


Now in answer to yer question Spud'll give you another question.

Wot one single solitary resource in Iraq has been the primary impetus behind American policy in the region since Iraq was split by the Brits?

You know? The last SIXTY YEARS?

Still can't guess?

Here ya go...

Oil.

The Iraqis have not only had their once State owned economy sold out from under their feet but there is an agreement that has been drafted by Western based multinational oil concerns that the US government are trying to force the Iraqis to sign at gunpoint. Once signed, the US troops can retreat back to the 4 huge permanent bases and to the Fortress Embassy inside the prison city Baghdad and try to make sure the Iraqis don't free themselves of those economic chains.

A repititious cycle of reasons why...

"We can't leave NOW!" (TM)

...Will crop up to insure this is a reality despite the peoples will, both American and Iraqi, on the topic.

AQ were dying as an organisation after 9/11.

Now after flubbing Afghanistan and going into Iraq they are everywhere.

They are in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Syria, Lebanon, and their numbers are growing as the ME reels in shock from the mindless brutality they see every night on their teevee screens outta Iraq. Pictures that most Americans don't see.

This inevitable rise in extremism will prolly ironically enuff be the given reason why "it's not safe to leave just yet" (TM)

Wot part of all this are you still not getting?

Be Well.

This just in.....
Reid capitulates on Iraq Funding Bill...Dubya gets blank check...American people put in their place...

Al Gore's approval rating is 60%

Bush's average (RealClearPolitics.com) is 33% and falling weekly

Gore is the assualt on reason,he is a proven fool .In San Francisco he is at 60 percent

approvals across the board are falling, I.E congressional at 29%(Gallup) way down since JAN. it is a mistake to put this on one person, people dont like the government in any aspect.

AQ were dying as an organisation after 9/11.

proof please...

"Bush and Cheney actually believed in the linkage (between Iraq and al Qaeda) that they asserted -- in spite of all the evidence to the contrary presented to them contemporaneously -- that would by itself in light of the available evidence, make them genuinely unfit to lead our nation. On the other hand, if they knew the truth and lied, massively and repeatedly, isn't that worse? Are they too gullible or too dishonest?"

Nothing more needs to be said.

Spud: "AQ were dying as an organisation after 9/11."

Eberly: "proof please"

Yer kidding right?

After being abandoned by the US after the Soviet bear left Afghanistan licking it's wounds Bin Laden was considered a hero. He returned to SA got kicked out, went on to Sudan and got kicked out returned to Afghanistan where the Taliban let him set up training camps after they seized power in the vacuum left in the Russians wake.

After 9/11 happened there was a brief jubilation among his followers but after the US quickly determined where he was and set off to find him in Afghanistan he was at his lowest ebb.

Nobody wanted to be associated with the guy. The money started drying up.

Then after he "eluded capture", to be polite about it, at Tora Bora, his stock soared. The American invasion and unjust occupation of Iraq enflamed the region already unhappy with American policies particularily Israel/Palestine.

The insurgency began as it was bound to and the former Sunni leaders were now a minority in a country gone mad. Being slaughtered by forces high up in the Iraqi government they turned to AQ for help.

America's illegitimate adventures in Iraq and failure to win the peace in Afghanistan and especially, failure to kill Bin Laden or confront the AQ base in the "lawless tribal regions" in Pakistan have served to create a rise in extremist muslim fanatics in the region including a revived and emboldened AQ.

The Troops aren't fighting terrorism they're fomenting it.

Only by leaving can any type of real peace be secured.

Since the wars inception the amount of financing, recruits and pure Arab streed cred that OBL has acrued has done nothing but rise.

There are AQ and AQ sympathisers in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, India, Somalia, Sudan, Pakistan and now Palestine.

scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com

The longer the US occupies the ME the more power the extremists will have.

And the moderates will be drowned in a sea of angry extremists.

Not good.

Be Well.

One more thing...

The real key of course is Pakistan.

Nobody wants to confront Musharraf.

From Wiki...

Six years after the "War on Terrorism" began al-Qaeda is resurgent from its hub in Pakistan. The tribal deals Pakistan agreed in 2005 and 2006 have taken the pressure off al-Qaeda and it has been able to renew some of its financial conduits, reconstitute some training camps, and reassert some of its influence over global al-Qaeda affiliates. Five trends appear to be strengthening al-Qaeda's hands further in Pakistan: the continued growth of radical Madaris, the rising radicalisation amongst young Pakistanis and Afghans; a creeping radicalisation within the Pakistan military and intelligence services, a strengthening of links between disparate radical Islamist forces in Pakistan, and the reestablishment of cross-border illegal drugs and arms trading. With the Taliban resurgent and with grave trends emerging in Pakistan it is time for the West to look again at its near unconditional support of Musharraf in Pakistan


And...

After the Soviet withdrawal, Afghanistan was effectively ungoverned for seven years and plagued by constant infighting between former allies and various mujahedeen groups.

Throughout the 1990s, a new force began to emerge. The origins of the Taliban (literally "students") lay in the children of Afghanistan, many of them orphaned by the war, and many of whom had been educated in the rapidly expanding network of Islamic schools (madrassas) either in Kandahar or in the refugee camps on the Afghan-Pakistani border.

According to Ahmad Rashid's well-regarded book Taliban, five leaders of the Taliban were graduates of a single madrassa, Darul Uloom Haqqania, Akora Khattak, near Peshawar, situated in Pakistan but largely attended by Afghan refugees.


Think about it.

Be Well.

Editor's Picks Al Gore: 'I'm Not a Candidate'Gore Rips Bush in New Book On the one hand, Gore has written an un-nostalgic look back at the previous six years that lays out his case as to how the world might look today had the chads fallen another way -- a world where U.S. troops would not be fighting in Iraq, Abu Ghraib would just be a town's name and the nation would have been better prepared for Hurricane Katrina, global warming, and, yes, perhaps even Sept. 11.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

Al Gore said last night that the time had come for a "final reckoning" with Iraq, describing the country as a "virulent threat in a class by itself" and suggesting that the United States should consider ways to oust Saddam Hussein.

The New York Times
Gore, Championing Bush, Calls For a 'Final Reckoning' With Iraq
February 13, 2002
query.nytimes.com


MIND BOGGLING that he admits he would NOT protect America against what he considered, at the time, a grave threat. Do you want him defending you?? Don't make me dig into his 90s quotes -- Gore has wanted to attack Iraq for a long time and has indicated such on multiple occasions...

To think many of you believe his words... ugh.

SOURCE: http://www.opinionjournal.com/ best/?id=110010097

----------START------------

From a puff piece on Al Gore by Time magazine's Eric Pooley:



He says he has "fallen out of love with politics," which is shorthand for both his general disgust with the process and the pain he still feels over the hard blow of the 2000 election, when he became only the fourth man in U.S. history to win the popular vote but lose a presidential election. In the face of wrenching disappointment, he showed enormous discipline--waking up every day knowing he came so close, believing the Supreme Court was dead wrong to shut down the Florida recount but never talking about it publicly because he didn't want Americans to lose faith in their system. That changes a man forever.




The italics, amazingly enough, are in the original. Does Pooley really expect us to believe this? This is, after all, the guy who keeps going around saying he "used to be the next president." He doesn't talk about Florida like John Kerry* doesn't talk about Vietnam.


There's also something odd about Gore's statement that he's "fallen out of love with politics." People fall in love, but do they fall out of love? Seems to us the transition between being in love and being out of love is more like drifting or being shaken--or being shaken and then drifting--than falling.


Then again, Gore married his wife, Tipper, 37 years ago tomorrow (happy anniversary, kids!), when he was just 22, and by all accounts they have a very happy marriage. Maybe his mangled metaphor is the result of never having experienced romantic failure, in which case it's sort of sweet.



* The haughty, French-looking Massachusetts Democrat, who
by the way lost Florida by 380,978 votes.


----------END----------------- ---

SOURCE: http://www.opinionjournal.com/ best/?id=110010097

A president who breaks the law is a threat to the very structure of our government.
Al Gore

If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier,
just so long as I'm the dictator."

-President-elect George W. Bush, at a photo-op with congressional leaders
during his first trip to Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000

During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.
Al Gore

"I use The Google," in reference to the popular search engine. October 24th. Interview with Maria Bartiromo of CNBC.

George Bush taking credit for the wall coming down is like the rooster taking credit for the sun rising.
Al Gore

"There's an old saying in Tennessee--I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee--that says, fool me once, shame on--shame on you. Fool me--you can't get fooled again."--Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002.

"
Evveryybodyyy sing...Attack the messenger....

Knighthawk, I will never forgive you for that image...What? Bea Arthur next?

Posted by evashogouki at 2007-05-22 09:59 AM | Reply | Flag:"

In this instance, the messenger is slamming Bush for the same views the messenger espoused regarding the threat Saddam Hussein posed, his pursuit of weapons of mass destruction, and the need to remove him. Kind of like the daily environmental excesses of the messenger who then tries to justify them with carbon offsets. What a farce. If you really believe in global warming, you should be conserving personally AND buying carbon offsets.

BTW, carbon offsets = potentially the biggest scam in post modern history. While there likely are things one can do to help the environment, when all is said and done far more will have been said than done. I understand some companies are offering carbon offsets that actually pay them to clean up their own messes.

A report from a meteorologist... what a coProbably the same news outfit from which BLT got his report that Sharia law was now the law in Minnesota.
It's one thing to be ignorant (sorry, Kansas), but quite another to choose ignorance.

Posted by midiman at 2007-05-22 11:06 AM | Reply | Flag


but if I had finished the statement with something about how the meteorologists said we were going to explode next week, you have then called me stupid for not believeing him.......its an old story that has gotten pretty boring.......


and of course someone asked me what I would do if I was wrong......but you see, you dont know that I think global warming is a scam or not because there has to be some validity to the argument.........but when there are still scientists who dont believe in it and there is a history of the same cycles, there is no reason why there shouldnt still be some debate on the subject......UNLESS YOU LIBS ARE TOO SCARED TO KEEP THE DEBATE OPEN??????????

and did any of you read carters crawfishing on his mouth diarhea.......

not only is he backtracking on his comments but he is also a pussy...
again, he would be thought of more of both sides if he had the balls to stand by his bullshit comments......makes me understand why the alytolah and others werent afraid of him at all........

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