They have first hand experience of being irrelevant.

Monkey see, monkey do....

Hopefully we will be able to say the same about Bush in 20 years. I'm afraid his legacy will last much longer than that.

The mild-mannered but truly Christian Jimmy Carter is our finest ex-president. George Bush is a cataclysmic disaster for the entire world, one that history has yet to develop the full magnitude of. Relevance is truly in the eyes of the beholder. herm

Lee,

It will take a lifetime to pay off the debt and erase the fuck ups created by this administration.

I have doubts that the Constitution will ever recover from the assault of eight years of Bushco.

Jimmy Carter is certainly a better ex-president than he was president. He's done a lot of good since he left office. Maybe GWB will follow in his footsteps. Doubt it, though.

What's funny is that the Bush administration thinks Carter is irrelevant because of his comments that Bush is the worst president in history. I don't know what country they live in, but in America comments like that are extremely relevant - there are plenty of people out there that would agree with Carter.

I think Bush meant "irreverent" not "irrelevant".

We all know how he butchers the English language and we all know that this Administration is beyond criticism and deserves everyone's respect all of the time, no questions asked.

Captain Obvious award for the White House...

Today Carter is saying he's statements were careless.

Way to stick to your guns their Carter...

Its that testicular fortitude that made you such a great President (Just ask the hostages)...

he's = his

Hubris:
hubris
(hy'brs)
n. Overbearing pride or presumption; arrogance.

He said they were careless. He did not say they were wrong. He is concerned that Herr Bush is crying in crawford

This White House considers all ex-presidents irrelevand especially including Daddy Bush who's autobiography would have told Junior not to invade and occupy Iraq had he bothered to read it.
In January 2009 Dubya will instantly become the most irrelevant president in history.

Well...if you read further in the link.

Carter said he was answering a question about the foreign policy of former President Richard Nixon, as compared with that of the current administration. He said he wasn't comparing the Bush administration with all those through American history. But in comparison to Nixon's, the Bush administration's foreign policy "was much worse," Carter said.

Unfortunately the Presidency of George W Bush and Dick Cheney will never be "irrelevant" however much we wish it could be.

"Unfortunate", "Disastrous" and "Disgraceful" will be more appropriate.

Anywho...the whole story to me is just

Yada yada yada
Blah blah blah

I thought the Bush camp said "irrevelant." I was going to bust out laughing at one more of their idiocies!

Jimmy Carter is probably the one ex-President who has led a truly relevant life. His legacy in the Presidency may not be all that, but as one who has made the world better because of what he has done, no one can match him!

The bushnits need to take a page or two from the book of Jimmy Carter and learn from it! Although I doubt they will!

They are the ones who are irrelevant!

Jimmy Carter on Al Jazeera
Posted by: McQ on Wednesday, January 17, 2007

For the defenders of Jimmy Carter, explain this quote on Al Jazeera:
I don't consider... I wasn't equating the Palestinian missiles with terrorism. But when the Palestinians commit terrorist acts, and I mean when a person blows himself up within a bus full of civilians, or when the target of the operation is women and children such acts create a rejection of the Palestinians among those who care about them. It turns the world away from sympathy and support for the Palestinian people. That's why I said that acts of terrorism like I just described are suicidal for the popularity and support for the Palestinian cause. In my book, I talk about violence from both sides, and I describe very carefully and accurately the number of casualties among Palestinians and Israelis, including children. The number of Palestinian children who died because of the violence is five times greater than the number of Israeli children, and I condemn this kind of violence on both sides.

But firing missiles into Israel without provocation isn't an act of terrorism? Nope, apparently you have to strap a bomb on yourself to qualify.

Well, just because a lot of Americans agree with Carter that Bush is a bad president doesn't make Jimmy Carter any more relevant than the anonymous poster on the DR.

Carter's been out of public life for 27 years, but he always is eager to take any opportunity to criticize any occupant of the White House. For a lesson in how former presidents should be expected to act, he could read up on the friendship that's developed between Clinton and Bush I. But he prefers it this way instead, to nobody's real surprise.

He's just a very bitter man. I feel sorry for him, in that he feels relevant only when heaping criticism upon the man who is now called upon to deal with the Islamic problem that the Carter White House kicked down the street. Frankly, had Carter dealt with the Islamists properly, he might have been re-elected, and saved us all a lot of trouble. And had Carter been more relevant THEN, we could instead be dealing with other problems closer to home. But, no.

Captain Obvious award for the White House...
Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-05-21 11:57 AM

YEAH!
Well, not everyone gets the chance to turn into drooling pants pooper (while still in office even)!

Carter's been out of public life for 27 years
Posted by rightisright at 2007-05-21 12:13 PM

YEAH!

And even longer for Reagan ----- but that doesn't seem stop people like you from still jacking him off thru your glory hole time machine!

Jimmy Carter is probably the one ex-President who has led a truly relevant life.

please, do tell....what has jimmy carter done? that's not a rhetorical question. i'd really like to know.

um...helped champion and personally work in an organization that buuilds houses for the poor?

brokered a slightly-known peace deal between Israel and Egypt?

...and massive FF for Redneckville

...and what has our esteemed brush-clearing, vacation-taking president done for humanity?

...

...

*crickets chirping*

For all of you blind teenagers who apparently weren't alive during the Carter years, let's revisit them. Interest rates on housing in the double digits, unemployment at high numbers, inflation rampant, Iran holding hostages at will, a wholly failed rescue attempt that made world news, blundered foreign policy, releasing the control of the Panama Canal, etc, etc, etc. I don't see any lasting Middle East that Carter brokered either. In fact, in the same vein that Carter is using, Bush could very well blame him for NOT doing anything meaningful in the Middle East thereby forcing him to do what he has doen for the last 4 years. Carter may be a good Christian man and have good intentions but he damn sure wasn't a good President. One-termers should be aware of why they were one-termers and shut up. Past Presidents up until Clinton have also had the class and integrity to not bad-mouth the sitting President but the leave it to a liberal to quit observing any civility.

RiR and UFM82

So, you're saying...

Iraq is Jimmy Carter's fault?

Really?

YEAH!

And even longer for Reagan ----- but that doesn't seem stop people like you from still jacking him off thru your glory hole time machine!


Posted by Redneckville

* * *

Actually, for Reagan it's been 19 years--is it your history that's weak? Or your math? But Reagan is more relevant dead than Carter ever has been while alive. After all, how often are Carter's policies emulated by aspiring presidential or gubernatorial candidates? Is the term "Carteresque", considered a compliment, even among liberals? Or is it a synonym for weak, and flaccid?

Most of America is counting down the days before this cabal of corporate criminals leaves in disgrace (if they don't get impeached first) and they call Carter increasingly irrelevant?

That's funny.

Do these guys even know wot irony is?

Yeah fer Jimmy Carter, the last American president with a clean conscience.

He's right about BushCo too.

Be Well.

"but the leave it to a liberal to quit observing any civility."
Posted by UFM82 at 2007-05-21 12:27 PM | Reply


YEAH!

Like Hannity! Did you just wake up from a ten year nap Mr VanWinkle?

FF for you!

609 Days

One-termers should be aware of why they were one-termers and shut up. Past Presidents up until Clinton have also had the class and integrity to not bad-mouth the sitting President but the leave it to a liberal to quit observing any civility.

Posted by UFM82 at 2007-05-21 12:27 PM | Reply | Flag

Bravo! Telling someone to shut up and then blaming lack of civility on a liberal all in one paragraph.

"One-termers should be aware of why they were one-termers and shut up."

Great point. George W. Bush was elected to two terms, which automatically makes his future asinine thoughts extremely relevant.

Actually, for Reagan it's been 19 years--is it your history that's weak?
Posted by rightisright at 2007-05-21 12:34 PM

YEAH! But you are not including his last term?
Fact is, Reagan, while still in office, wasn't really "in office" if you know what I mean.
In other words, who takes serous a "world leader" with a pants full?

Which brings us back to the point (you hand and neck action before the Glory Hole alter).

ok, so here's the carter list so far:

*"helped champion and personally work in an organization that buuilds houses for the poor"

*"brokered a slightly-known peace deal between Israel and Egypt"

*"the last American president with a clean conscience"

anything else?

If he were irrelevant this discussion wouldn't even be taking place and they would have never commented of Jimmie's comments. They are so transparent.

Redneckville-
Let the world know when you can do anything other than talk about glory holes and shit-filled diapers, thanks.

But Reagan is more relevant dead than Carter ever has been while alive Posted by rightisright

Gee risr, how old were you when Reagan was president, 2 ?
Reagan was only relavent to the rethugs and corporate america. He was an old fart, reading off a script. He had less to do with "the wall falling" than Aunt Jemimah. He happened to come in at the ebb of the soviet union who's economy was in the crapper and could no longer hold the countries together. He presidied over Iran-contra(read,in charge),he gave Iraq (read SADDAAM) missles,support and money. Nancy was more in charge of our country than Ronnie ever was.

"Past Presidents up until Clinton have also had the class and integrity to not bad-mouth the sitting President but the leave it to a liberal to quit observing any civility."

Civility?

BushCo have caused greater damage to the US than them guys on 9/11.

Pointing that out does not indicate lack of "civility" but rather a dedication to the truth over traditional niceties, to patriotism over pro forma.

In short it's another reason to admire Clinton and Carter.

Carter's so-called "Malaise Speech" shows remarkable prescience in hindsight.

Spud would much rather hear from one term Carter than from two Term Rotten Ronnie Raygun fer example.

Two terms of WMD supplying, Contra supporting, Boland Act defying shenanigans is not made up for by a coupla pretty speeches.

Be Well.

RIR -

Who said this?

"I'm asking Congress to mandate, to require as a matter of law, that our Nation's utility companies cut their massive use of oil by 50 percent within the next decade and switch to other fuels, especially coal, our most abundant energy source."

Who does it sound like today? All politicians. Jimmy Carter said it in 1979, before the fool Reagan was elected President by a populace too lazy to change their collective behavior.

Had Carter's policies been enacted, we wouldn't be in the mess we are.

Irrelevant ? Look who is talking !

"The mild-mannered but truly Christian Jimmy Carter is our finest ex-president."

Posted by herm at 2007-05-21 11:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

Well, there goes any credibility you had left here, herm.

As president, Carter was well intentioned but incredibly naive.

Bush is amoral and incredibly naive.

Slight edge: Carter

Bush is a liar, and a thief and a total idiot. Not to mention a drunk. Serious edge----Bozo the clown

""But Reagan is more relevant dead than Carter ever has been while alive.""

Well, his voodoo economics is still making the rich richer and the working class poorer just as it did in his day.
His growth of the deficit though stopped during Clinton's term is back again under Bush. If failure is synonymous with relevant then you are correct.

The only thing that keeps reagans memory alive is that people continually wonder how he could violate the law and listen to his wife's fortune teller as well as lie to the american people. Second greatest idiot in the history of the United State. Actually when you think about it, he was sharper than bush is and we know reagan has altzsheimers.

The only thing that keeps reagans memory alive is that people continually wonder how he could violate the law and listen to his wife's fortune teller as well as lie to the american people. Second greatest idiot in the history of the United State. Actually when you think about it, he was sharper than bush is and we know reagan has altzsheimers.

Redneckville-
Let the world know when you can do anything other than talk about glory holes and shit-filled diapers, thanks.
Posted by JOE at 2007-05-21 12:46 PM |

YEAH!

But how better to articulate the waning Reagan years (pants full) and the Fake Plastics very "fake" homage to thereof (glory hole servicing)?


You say "pants full" and everyone knows you are talking about the Regan years!

Dear RIR:
"Reagan-esque" isn't a compliment. Only in the minds of deluded Republicans would:
*taking policy advice from your wife's astrologer
*napping for two hours in the middle of every work day
*having secret deals with Iranian kidnappers to delay the release of hostages until just before the election
*breaking the law by supplying the Contras with arms, then claiming "I don't recall" in an early Alzheimer's moment
*starting the Republican tradition of raping the environment while giving the policies catchy Orwellian names that mean the opposite of one's intentions
*arming Hussein and others while at the same time claming the policies of democrats harms "this great country of ours"
*expounding the ridiculous and failed "trickle-down" economics policies which set the stage for today's obscene gluttony of wealth by less than 1% of our population
mean a compliment or a deirable trait.

But you go-ahead...when any of you clowns use the Word "reagan-esque" a LOT of the country snickers or grimaces.

Handsome_Rob:
those three points for Carter beat Bush's pair o' nothin's in any poker game.

Still waiting for any of you Bush bootlickers to name ONE lasting, positive thing he's done for this country.

he has destroyed Iraq.

sorry i didnt notice you said positive

A modest list of Carter's worthless achievements:

* LL.D. (honoris causa) Morehouse College, 1972; Morris Brown College, 1972; University of Notre Dame, 1977; Emory University, 1979; Kwansei Gakuin University, 1981; Georgia Southwestern College, 1981; New York Law School, 1985; Bates College, 1985; Centre College, 1987; Creighton University, 1987; University of Pennsylvania, 1998
* D.E. (honoris causa) Georgia Institute of Technology, 1979
* Ph.D (honoris causa) Weizmann Institute of Science, 1980; Tel Aviv University, 1983; Haifa University, 1987
* D.H.L. (honoris causa) Central Connecticut State University, 1985; Trinity College, 1998
* Doctor (honoris causa) G.O.C. University, 1995
* Silver Buffalo Award, Boy Scouts of America, 1978
* Gold medal, International Institute for Human Rights, 1979
* International Mediation medal, American Arbitration Association, 1979
* Martin Luther King, Jr. Nonviolent Peace Prize, 1979
* International Human Rights Award, Synagogue Council of America, 1979
* Conservationist of the Year Award, 1979
* Harry S. Truman Public Service Award, 1981
* Ansel Adams Conservation Award, Wilderness Society, 1982
* Human Rights Award, International League for Human Rights, 1983
* World Methodist Peace Award, 1985
* Albert Schweitzer Prize for Humanitarianism, 1987
* Edwin C. Whitehead Award, National Center for Health Education, 1989
* Jefferson Award, American Institute of Public Service, 1990
* Philadelphia Liberty Medal, National Constitution Center, 1990
* Spirit of America Award, National Council for the Social Studies, 1990
* Physicians for Social Responsibility Award, 1991 Aristotle Prize, Alexander S. Onassis Foundation, 1991
* W. Averell Harriman Democracy Award, National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, 1992
* Spark M. Matsunaga Medal of Peace, US Institute of Peace, 1993
* Humanitarian Award, CARE International, 1993
* Conservationist of the Year Medal, National Wildlife Federation, 1993
* Rotary Award for World Understanding, 1994
* J. William Fulbright Prize for International Understanding, 1994
* National Civil Rights Museum Freedom Award, 1994
* UNESCO Flix Houphout-Boigny Peace Prize, 1994
* Great Cross of the Order of Vasco Nunz de Balboa, Panama, 1995
* Bishop John T. Walker Distinguished Humanitarian Award, Africare, 1996
* Humanitarian of the Year, GQ Awards, 1996
* Kiwanis International Humanitarian Award, 1996
* Indira Gandhi Prize for Peace, Disarmament and Development, 1997
* Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter Awards for Humanitarian Contributions to the Health of Humankind, National Foundation for Infectious Diseases, 1997
* United Nations Human Rights Award, 1998
* The Hoover Medal, 1998
* International Child Survival Award, UNICEF Atlanta, 1999
* William Penn Mott, Jr., Park Leadership Award, National Parks Conservation Association, 2000
* Grammy Award for Best Spoken Word Album, National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences, 2007
* Berkeley Medal, University of California campus, May 2, 2007

A modest list of Crter's worthless achievements, part 2

Books by Carter
Our Endangered Values: America's Moral Crisis
Our Endangered Values: America's Moral Crisis

* Why Not the Best? (1975 and 1996)
* A Government as Good as Its People (1977 and 1996)
* Keeping Faith: Memoirs of a President (1982 and 1995) ISBN 1-55728-330-3
* Negotiation: The Alternative to Hostility (1984) ISBN 0-86554-137-X
* The Blood of Abraham: Insights into the Middle East (1985 and 1993) ISBN 1-55728-293-5
* Everything to Gain: Making the Most of the Rest of Your Life (1987 and 1995), with Rosalynn Carter, ISBN 1-55728-388-5
* An Outdoor Journal (1988 and 1994) ISBN 1-55728-354-0
* Turning Point: A Candidate, a State, and a Nation Come of Age (1992) ISBN 0-8129-2299-9
* Talking Peace: A Vision for the Next Generation (1993 and 1995) ISBN 0-14-037440-X
* Always a Reckoning (1995) ISBN 0-8129-2434-7, a collection of poetry, illustrated by his granddaughter
* The Little Baby Snoogle-Fleejer (1995), a children's book, illustrated by his daughter
* Living Faith (1996) ISBN 0-8129-3034-7
* Sources of Strength: Meditations on Scripture for a Living Faith (1997) ISBN 0-8129-3236-6
* The Virtues of Aging (1998) ISBN 0-345-42592-8
* An Hour before Daylight: Memories of a Rural Boyhood (2001) ISBN 0-7432-1199-5
* Christmas in Plains: Memories (2001) ISBN 0-7432-2715-8
* The Nobel Peace Prize Lecture (2002) ISBN 0-7432-5068-0
* The Hornet's Nest (2003) ISBN 0-7432-5542-9, a historical novel about the American Revolution, and the first work of fiction written by a U.S. President
* Sharing Good Times (2004) ISBN 0-7432-7068-1
* Our Endangered Values: America's Moral Crisis (2005) ISBN 0-7432-8501-8; won a Grammy Award for best spoken-word album.[58]
* Faith and Freedom: The Christian Challenge for the World (2005) ISBN 0-7156-3610-3
* Palestine Peace Not Apartheid (2006) ISBN 0-7432-8502-6

Carter has received honorary degrees from many American colleges, including Harvard University, Emory University (where he is currently a professor), Bates College and the University of Pennsylvania.

In 2000, Carter received the James A. Van Fleet Award from The Korea Society.

On November 22, 2004, New York Republican Governor George Pataki named Carter and the other then living former Presidents (Gerald Ford, George H. W. Bush and Bill Clinton) as honorary members of the board rebuilding the World Trade Center.

Because he had served as a submariner (the only President to have done so), a submarine was named for him. The USS Jimmy Carter (SSN-23) was named on April 27, 1998, making it one of the very few U.S. Navy vessels to be named for a person still alive at the time of the naming. In February 2005, both Jimmy and Rosalyn Carter spoke at the commissioning ceremony for this submarine.

Carter is a University Distinguished Professor at Emory University, and teaches occasional classes there. Every year since the early 1980s he has an open question and answer session with the freshman class at the university.[citation needed] He also teaches a Sunday School class at Maranatha Baptist Church in Plains. Being an accomplished amateur woodworker, he has occasionally been featured in the pages of Fine Wood Working magazine, which is published by Taunton Press.

SAM

Let's not forget the Nobel Peace Prize :-)

Bush's list of failures is longer than Carter's list of accomplishments. Bush deserves whatever is the antithesis of the Peace Prize.

Bush should have won the 'My Pet Goat Award' for being able to sit there for 8 minutes after being told America was under attack.

Bottom line is Carter shouldn't be calling anyone the worst president ever with the exception (MAYBE) of James Buchanan and Herbert Hoover. I won't argue that he hasn't done some good things since he left office, he has... But he got tossed from office after 4 miserable years... he really has no room to talk.

Now in 20 years if we'd all like to meet back here and compare what they did as ex-presidents that might be worth something... but in the shitty president category Carter has Bush beat by a mile.

You bring up a good point SamBarber. Any great man is well rounded at many things. Jimmy Carter, besides being an Ex-Pres. is an author, craftsman, successful business man, preacher, professor, etc.

Can any of you name one thing GW Bush as ever accomplished? Did he ever write a book? Paint a picture? Build a boat? Change the oil on his car?

Seriously, does anyone have any knowledge of anything he's done, or even completed successfully? I mean even Nixon could play the piano and wrote a few books.

"Great point. George W. Bush was elected to two terms, which automatically makes his future asinine thoughts extremely relevant."

Sorry, but no. He owned the courts, he owned the voting machines, but he didn 't own the people. herm

ROB

You weren't even alive when Carter was president. Well, maybe. But, you were shitting your diaper if so. and your eyesight hadn't developted yet either He inherited a mess left over from Vietnam. He acted in a principled way. Bush has not.

I was in Tehran before the hostage crisis, and I can tell you that our HUMNIT on the ground in Tehran following the Revolution was nonexistant as it was too dangerous for even Iranians to be on the streets. That was the case in the preceding months while the Shah was still in power too. Death squads aplenty.
Reagan, on the other hand, made a deal with them vis a vis the embassy hostages. What president in his right mind would sell arms to such a dangerous adversary AFTER such a blatant act of aggression as the kidnappings?

but in the shitty president category Carter has Bush beat by a mile.
Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-05-21 02:18 PM


YEAH!

More voices from Bush World(TM)!

You weren't even alive when Carter was president. Well, maybe. But, you were shitting your diaper if so.

Not sure if you're aware or not, but there are these things called books, and there are many categories of books, one I happen to like is history...

So no I didn't really live through Carter's admin, but I can go back and read about it... Much like how I didn't exist (neither did my father, or his father) during the battle of Gettysburg, yet some how I know a lot about that too...

(There's also a little thing called the internet... you can look up a lot of stuff on that too... I tried it out and learned that Carter sucked, and the American people told him to fuck off after 4 years...)

More voices from Bush World(TM)!


Posted by Redneckville


No... voices from America... You know, those people that told him to get the fuck out after his one term in office?

Allamerican:
I remember buying my first house on Jimmies watch. 15% ARM mortgage. The ecomomy sucked.

You know how I know Jimmy Carter sucked? Because after Nixon, after Watergate, after Vietnam, after Ford pardoning Nixon, after all this bad PR and actions by the GOP it only took 4 years of Carter for the Republicans to not only get back in office but hold it for 12 years.

For the GOP to take control back after so many scandals in just 4 short years it would take a collosal disaster by the DNC... ladies and gentlemen, Jimmy Carter.

""For the GOP to take control back after so many scandals in just 4 short years it would take a collosal disaster by the DNC... ladies and gentlemen, Jimmy Carter.""

Carter may not have been popular but that doesn't prove anything about whether or not he was a good president.
Very simply minded analysis.

""I remember buying my first house on Jimmies watch. 15% ARM mortgage. The ecomomy sucked.""

Gee, I wonder who he inherited inflation from. WIN.

Carter may not have been popular but that doesn't prove anything about whether or not he was a good president.
Posted by danni

Your right Danni. Just like Bush's poll numbers.

yeah Im cross posting, so what. it needs to be said more than once obviously.

In 1973, during the Nixon Administration, OPEC (The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries) agreed to reduce supplies of oil available to the world market. This sparked an oil crisis and forced oil prices to rise sharply, spurring price inflation throughout the economy, and slowing growth.

Significant government borrowing for items such as the Vietnam War and the nuclear weapons stockpile helped keep interest rates high relative to inflation. Jawboning and price freezes had proved ineffective. This lead President Jimmy Carter to address the nation early in his term ...

Primary Sources: The President's Proposed Energy Policy

Jimmy Carter delivered this televised speech on April 18, 1977.
Tonight I want to have an unpleasant talk with you about a problem unprecedented in our history. With the exception of preventing war, this is the greatest challenge our country will face during our lifetimes. The energy crisis has not yet overwhelmed us, but it will if we do not act quickly.

It is a problem we will not solve in the next few years, and it is likely to get progressively worse through the rest of this century...
We must not be selfish or timid if we hope to have a decent world for our children and grandchildren..

We simply must balance our demand for energy with our rapidly shrinking resources. By acting now, we can control our future instead of letting the future control us..

The most important thing about these proposals is that the alternative may be a national catastrophe. Further delay can affect our strength and our power as a nation..

Our decision about energy will test the character of the American people and the ability of the President and the Congress to govern. This difficult effort will be the "moral equivalent of war" -- except that we will be uniting our efforts to build and not destroy.

... Because we are now running out of gas and oil, we must prepare quickly for a third change, to strict conservation and to the use of coal and permanent renewable energy sources, like solar power.

..Our consumption of oil would (otherwise) keep going up every year. Our cars would continue to be too large and inefficient.

..We will feel mounting pressure to plunder the environment. Inflation will soar, production will go down, people will lose their jobs. Intense competition will build up among nations and among the different regions within our own country.
If we fail to act soon, we will face an economic, social and political crisis that will threaten our free institutions.
But we still have another choice. We can begin to prepare right now. We can decide to act while there is time.

We have always wanted to give our children and grandchildren a world richer in possibilities than we've had. They are the ones we must provide for now. They are the ones who will suffer most if we don't act.

Jimmy Carter, "The President's Proposed Energy Policy." 18 April 1977

Carter may not have been popular but that doesn't prove anything about whether or not he was a good president.


How many of you douchebags here bitch and moan about Bush's poll numbers as a reason for his "failed" presidency?

Carter had a crappy economy, an energy crises, the Russians were spreading their borders, Americans were being held in Iran and he could have given two shits, he gave away the Panama Canal...

Your right though... just a popularity contest...

Carter may not have been popular but that doesn't prove anything about whether or not he was a good president.
Very simply minded analysis.

Posted by danni


And a simple popularity contest wouldn't have kept the DNC out for the next 12 years, including a monstrous ass kicking in '84...

If all the gains during the Reagan Admin were really Carter's doing why didn't he pull a Grover Cleveland and run again?

"Carter gave away the Panama Canal"


The Panama canal was given away by Teddy Roosevelt ...Asshole !!!

git er dunn yah ass whoopin voters! Yeee hahh. that thers what ya calla monstrous ass kicking , coot coot coot...

Yeah hah woop woop whop I can tell ya it werz an ass whupin boy howdy - ya coot

WISGOD

Your 15% ARM was something we all shared. However, you failed to mention that much of that was due to the 'oil crisis' of 1979, midway through his term.

I remember waiting in line to fill up in California for hours, all the while seeing several supertankers sitting low in the water full of oil in Long Beach Harbor.

Name me one policy of Carter's that was responsible for record inflation.

boy the elcetion of 1936 now there was a REAL ass shopping boy howdy, I love to tuen elections into ass whoopins just like a bumpkin a hole

On assuming office in 1977, President Carter inherited an economy that was slowly emerging from a recession. He had severely criticized former President Ford for his failures to control inflation and relieve unemployment, but after four years of the Carter presidency, both inflation and unemployment were considerably worse than at the time of his inauguration. The annual inflation rate rose from 4.8% in 1976 to 6.8% in 1977, 9% in 1978, 11% in 1979, and hovered around 12% at the time of the 1980 election campaign. Although Carter had pledged to eliminate federal deficits, the deficit for the fiscal year 1979 totaled $27.7 billion, and that for 1980 was nearly $59 billion. With approximately 8 million people out of work, the unemployment rate had leveled off to a nationwide average of about 7.7% by the time of the election campaign, but it was considerably higher in some industrial states.
Source: Encyclopedia Americana

AllAmerican: Im not going to list policies, but those are the results.

Unemployment had to rise to curb inflation, its an unfortuante counterbalance to correct the economic ship. Same thing for growing a deficit, its pretty basic economics

Kind of like when your favorite corporation lays off employees and the value of their company goes up, same with our dollar.

and it was working until the Iranian oil crisis. Blaming the Iranian revolution on Carter is even more far fetched than blaming 9/11 on W, it was not even happening in this country. Carter was a good man.

""Your right Danni. Just like Bush's poll numbers.""

Fair enough but I suspect Bush will retain those numbers well after he leaves office. Time will tell.

""Although Carter had pledged to eliminate federal deficits, the deficit for the fiscal year 1979 totaled $27.7 billion, and that for 1980 was nearly $59 billion.""

Oh dear, when REagan took office the deficit took off like a rocket. The largest rise in the deficit since WWII occurred under REagan and Bush 1. By far.

WISGOD

It was all due to the oil crisis. Gas prices rose by 250%, creating a domino inflationary effect on the economy. Credit was tight because of the Fed policies of that time, and so high interest rates were the result.

Only if you can name a Carter policy that led to this can you blame him for it.

PS

HAD we listened to Carter's sage advice about energy independence we'd be a lot better off now wouldn't we? We wouldn't be starting preemptive wars to protect oil supplies in the name of WMD's either, would we?

Carter may not have been popular but that doesn't prove anything about whether or not he was a good president.
Very simply minded analysis.


That argument is used as a basis to show just how ineffective, as a president, bush is.

I don't like the guy, but you have to be consistent in your argument if you're to have any credibility at all. At this point, your credibility is in the dumper.

""That argument is used as a basis to show just how ineffective, as a president, bush is.""

No that argument is used when righties try to claim that the American people support Bush's war which at one time they did but no longer. Anyone who judges effectiveness simply on popularity is a moron as was proven when the majority actually did support the disaster in Iraq and that was used as a club to hit libruls who realized how wrong the war was.

A politician changing position? Shocking.

No... voices from America... You know, those people that told him to get the fuck out after his one term in office?
Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-05-21 02:42 PM
YEAH!

I forgot!
There is a selective statue of limitations when assigning blame by the Fake Plastic "conservative".

Of course, Reagan inherited Carters bad policies ---- but Bush 41, whose time in office was dismal, didn't inherit anything from Reagan.

Same goes for Bush 43.

He inherited all that was bad from Clinton, most notably a military in dismal shape, the same military of which kicked Iraqis and Afghanistan's ass in three weeks and was a "military we had and not the one we wanted" eight months into his presidency.

However, six years later Bush still can't get out from Clinton shadow (since every failure is attributed to Clinton and not Bush by the Fake Plastics).


So, in summery, Carter screwed everything up, didn't inherit any problems from Ford and Nixon, played no part in Reagan's first term and as you have stated many times ---- Bush is so impotent as a leader he simply was at the whim of the Clintons for his entire time in office! Bush cant be held responsible for 9-11 (eight months into term), but Clinton is responsible for the Cole, just six months into his.


Do you see some serious flaws in this logic? And those "voices from America" --- does that include the 72% of Americans who view Bush as an incompetent lying buffoon?

No... voices from America... You know, those people that told him to get the fuck out after his one term in office?
Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-05-21 02:42 PM

Whats worse is the people who didn't tell GW to "get the fuck out after his one term in office", the voices from America who have taken this country down the wrong road for the lat 6 years

HAD we listened to Carter's sage advice about energy independence we'd be a lot better off now wouldn't we? We wouldn't be starting preemptive wars to protect oil supplies in the name of WMD's either, would we?
Posted by AllAmerican at 2007-05-21 03:52 PM

YEAH!

Bingo!
Strange how someone who has it so wrong now, was so right 25 + years ago!
We were set to eliminate ALL ME oil imports by the mid eighties, then came MR. "Right Side of History" putting America on the Wrong Side of History by essentially creating today's biggest threat ----- our dependency on dictators and criminals for energy (wasteful energy I must add) and the ever present threat of arrant Nuclear Weapons funded by US tax dollars, created and gifted to every conceivable dirt bag during Reagan's arms race heyday!

I can imagine what GWB will do when he leaves office... wink, swagger and make 0 contributions.

Yeah, Jimmy Carter is SO irrelevant that the White House felt the need to comment.

He's just a very bitter man. I feel sorry for him, in that he feels relevant only when heaping criticism upon the man who is now called upon to deal with the Islamic problem that the Carter White House kicked down the street. Frankly, had Carter dealt with the Islamists properly, he might have been re-elected, and saved us all a lot of trouble. And had Carter been more relevant THEN, we could instead be dealing with other problems closer to home. But, no.

Posted by rightisright at 2007-05-21 12:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Please, tell us, what did Reagan do when faced with the bombing in Lebanon? He turned tail and ran like the senile bitch he WAS (heh heh). I mean, Reagan had twice the time to deal with the 'islmaists' and still we were attacked. Hmmmmmmmm.

Yep.

I can tell from the lack of comments here that Carter is indeed completely irrelevant. Especially to rob_the_incredibly_ignorant_as shole.

RiR

Carter is a great man. I've spent time with him over the years since he left office and I became a millionaire. I'm very involved in various charities including Habitat For Humanity. Carter pounds nails. The handful of times I've been on construction sites with him he's WORKING...and HARD. No photo ops there. Compassionate, principled, smart, every good thing you can say about someone. The life he's led since leaving office is extraordinary and based on the same principles he lived by while in the White House.

Now, I've mentioned before that I was TDY'd to our embassy in Tehran shortly before the Revolution. The public wave in Iran against the Shah's diabolical and evil regime was a tidal wave that couldn't be stopped by ANYONE. We were ordered not to be out at night. Roaming death squads, mass public executions, you name it.

There is NOTHING Carter could have done at that moment in time. However, Reagan's dealing with them, selling them arms after they took the hostages the way they did was agregious and totally against the interests of America. Selling missles to Iran? A sworn enemy of the United States? After what they did? A regime who preached hatred against us?

I have no doubt Reagan made a deal with the Iranians to hold the hostages. His sale of missles to them after what they did is pretty clear evidence, although circumstantial. I voted for Reagan largely because of my military connection, but really regret having done so in hindsight. He was smoke and mirrors, albeit a good actor. He was a decent man who treated the loyal opposition with respect though. He and Tip O'Neill played cards once a week and had a good relationship. The antithesis of Bush.

Jimmy Carter makes Bush look like the unfeeling and inept chimp he is. Bush has only attended ONE funeral for fallen servicemen. Bush isn't man enough to shine Carter's shoes. And if I were Carter I wouldn't even let him near my house.

the only relevant news to the WH lately...


International oil companies could receive sole control of Iraq's oil

MENAFN - 21/05/2007

Carter said he was answering a question about the foreign policy of former President Richard Nixon, as compared with that of the current administration.

Carter like most liberals, try to make relative connection between Vietnam and Iraq...

First of all, Nixon didn't start the Vietnam War which Carter doesn't blame and we know why he would not blame the President who started that war...

During the presidential campaign Nixon promised to negotiate the end of the Vietnam War. But the peace talks broke down so Nixon decided to escalate the war by bombing National Liberation Front bases in Cambodia.

In 1972, Nixon decided the war could not be won, and decided to bring the troops home and demanded that North Vietnam hold back till new elections. 100,000 bombs were dropped on two cities to put pressure on North Vietnam to remove their troops from the South. Nixon agreed to sign the peace plan that had been proposed before.

However, the bombing had proved to be popular with the American public as they had the impression that North Vietnam had been bombed into submission.

The connections are not there as Vietnam and Iraq are two different types of wars...Nixon did have some mistakes with that war, but he finally ended what HE didn't start in the first place...

Vietnam and Iraq are two different types of wars...Nixon did have some mistakes with that war, but he finally ended what HE didn't start in the first place...


Thanks for agreeing with Carter..

what a load.............
my lack of respect for this worst pres of a century is well known...but it took another tumble with his latest nonsense. I would have thought more of him if he had just said....look thats what I think and I wont apologize for it and wont try and softsoap it for anyone....in other words if you got the balls to say something like this...have the balls to back it up and stick to it.....or did someone mention some sort of political problem his comments might make.......

AND AT LAST the white house shows there are some 'sacks' there somewhere.....

Got to admit; Carter isn't a half-bad carpenter.

my lack of respect for this worst pres of a century is well known...

I'm sure Jimmy is crushed some doochbag on drudge doesn't respect him. But it should come as no surprise that you would rather follow someone who doesnt recognize or attempt to correct the error of their ways, rather blindly forges on like some lunatic even when everyone tells them there wrong.. sound familiar? Of course it does, you cozy up to Bushes nuts whenever you get the chance to lick the sweat off his sack.

Carter was actually clever in this instance, he got the message out, and then he got the heat off his back immediately by offering a flimsy excuse like, oh whoops I must have been careless, silly me. (laughing all the way)

Still waiting to hear ONE positive accomplishment of Dubya...

...

...

Mission Accomplished

W's average approval rating has fallen to it's lowest point (RealClearPolitics.com)

33%

Even Rasmussen, where he has garnered his highest poll ratings month to month has him fallen to 33% - his lowest there ever.

I'd call him irrelevant

AND AT LAST the white house shows there are some 'sacks' there somewhere.....

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2007-05-22 10:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

There sure are, they're black and placed over the heads of those we torture.

We are still in trouble because of Carters genius dealings with Iran

Jimmy Carter the worst President in the history of our Country. Mortgage Interest rates at 15%. Iran takes the Embassy and captures americans. No Foreign policy. High Inflation. The only that was good was his peanut crop.
As for being a Christian he is one in name only. If he read the Bible he wouldn't be in the news.

So far, we know that Jimmy is a good carpenter. How about sending him down to work on the border fence. 2 miles completed so far. We need a Leader!

We need a Leader!

And yet you voted in a moron...again

Carter is definately one of the most comical/pathetic figures in the history of American politics.

The fact that not even the libs can effectively defend him on a predominantly lib site is just further evidence.

JONESY

If you're going to insult at least learn HOW TO SPELL IT CORRECTLY

"definately"? Shows where you're coming from dude.