Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Thursday, May 10, 2007

Angered that a beloved member of his squad had been killed in an explosion, a U.S. Marine urinated on one of the 24 dead Iraqi civilians killed by his unit in Haditha, the Marine testified on Wednesday.

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clearly under direct orders from Bush.

If the Iraqi's wouldn't equate toilets with Western Imperialism, maybe he would've had somewhere else to go. We build public toilets, they blow them up.

Of course the first 2 to defend this are Bushies.

Disgusting, especially for a Marine.
We're americans, not animals.
Fucking pigs and those of you that support or applaud this action are just as bad or worse.

No, Vernon, everyone knows that Cheney is the puppet-master. He even told the Marine to drink extra liquid so that when his squad leader eventually snapped, he could express his anger through micturition.

Lighten up Bwiro, you, out of most people on this blog, should not be surprised by anything a jarhead would do.

Why is that Wrongo? Because my Father and Uncle were Marines?
Because I was in the Infantry?

Marines are the elite and as such they should conduct themselves as such at all times. I gaurantee you back in the day, this "Marine" would have been "disciplined" by his own buddies.

www.votevets.org

There's something very homo-erotic about the opening line of the article....hell hath no fury like a fag marine.

Good for him. Fucking dirty pigfuckers.

I have a list of graves I'll be pissing on. It's not long but once your on it you can never get off.

You Release the Dogs of War and you don't expect these things to happen?

Remember when they dragged the Burnt Bodies of Americans through the streets of Baghdad and hung them up for all to see and abuse? How did that make you feel and if that was your friend (or worse your child) hanging up there and you could get your hands on the ones that did it what would you have done?

It is not right and he will be prosecuted and that is sad. He went to War at the Behest of His President to defend his Country from the Evil ones and now he is a War Criminal. He has become one of the Evil ones he went to fight...

It is so sad...

I feel for him

I feel for his parents

I feel for the Iraqi's even if they did kill his buddy.

I am sad for us all.

2112: I'll be creamated but please put me on your list. Being hated by someone who thinks a US Marine should behave this way would be an honor for me.
Thank you.

"clearly under direct orders from Bush."
Posted by vernon at 2007-05-10 03:29

YEAH!

No Doubt!

Yup, the Commander in Chief that's in "command" of nothin'! We know already!

But of course if UBL would be baged, it would be BECUASE of bush ---- not unlike how some say there has been no more attacks on our soil (not really true but they it anyway) BECUASE of bush!

hell hath no fury like a fag marine

Gay marines are proof that God exists and that he loves me.

Briwo (sorry for the misspelling, it was truly a typo)-

We have had this discussion before, I have Marines in my bloodline as well. My point was that while elite, members of the Corps are passionate, protective and loyal to their fellow Marines. This particular guy also happens to be a scumbag (admits to shooting 5 guys who are laying on the ground then pees on their heads) who is testifying against his squadmates in exchange for immunity from murder charges.

The burnt bodies were in Falluja which has been leveled by the US

what has become of the homor and the character of the american military man?

Of course the first 2 to defend this are Bushies.

I am not, nor have I ever been, a Bushie.

donnerboy,

"""I feel for the Iraqi's even if they did kill his buddy."""

That comment is a bullshit apology, the 21 innocent civilians DID NOT KILL HIS BUDDY.

Your analogy is the equivalent of me randomly killing 21 americans because another crazy american killed my buddy.

2112,

you can make your short list a little longer: add my name to it asshole.

Of course the first 2 to defend this are Bushies.

I am not, nor have I ever been, a Bushie.

Posted by CTA11 at 2007-05-10 04:22 PM | Reply |

True sign of a Bushie: denial.

-Gay marines are proof that God exists and that he loves me.


Damn!

If I had only known it was that easy, I would have thought of gay Marines a long time ago.


Briwo, you are an internet blogger. You do not register in my world and could never make my list. Sorry, but to me, who you are and what you say just really isn't relevant.

Go Troll someone else.

"""Gay marines are proof that God exists and that he loves me."""

If that belief tickles your fancy, all the power to ya.



Lick my balls Pancho !!

Since I was 18, my voting record is;

Carter
Mondale
Dukakis
Clinton
Gore
Kerry

Iraqis are mongrels. They are not worth our efforts, much less our blood.

Lick my balls Pancho !!

Posted by _2112_ at 2007-05-10 04:26 PM | Reply

With the angry white boy shit you spew and the bravado you parade about, I would venture you have none.

How would you go about proving that, Pancho?

How would you go about proving that, Pancho?

Posted by CTA11 at 2007-05-10 04:31 PM

Why don't you go to 2112 and grope around in his dirty fruit of the looms, seeing as you two seem to have a few things in common...report back if you feel like it, we won't ask for details.

Righto: sorry misunderstood your post.

2112: right back at ya cupcake

Pancho,

Angry white boy shit? You are not angry that there are millions and millions of Muslims that wish YOU dead. You are a pussy if their actions and vocalazations at wanting us dead do not anger you.

You are one of the things wrong with American males. The feminization of man has got to stop. It's ok to get angry at your enemy. Its ok to stand up for yourself and your country.

Please tell me your not one of the faggy guys who walks around with a purse (i mean a satchal).

Angry? Hell yes I'm angry at these fucking pig fuckers. White boy? Yes and proud of it. Bravado? Bet your ass. I won't back down from you or anyone else that threatens me and mine.

So, take the gel our of your hair, remove that faggy purple tie and be a man.

Briwo,

My wife works in an office where her and a male coworker have this thing. When they pass in the hall she say, 'What's up buttercup?' and then he replies 'Not much cupcake'

HR caught wind of this and put a stop to it because she thought it might lead to some type of 'sexual harrasment' thing.

Funny thing is is the guy is a fag and the HR girl didn't even know this.

Anyway, your calling me cupcake reminded me of this story.

"Funny thing is is the guy is a fag "

Is that what they tell you?

www.theaustralian.news.com.au


Know your enemy.

Here you go Ponch. Have any children?

Great answer, Pancho. Ain't it time for PE class? Hurry, you're gonna be late. Arriba.

Is that what they tell you?


Actually, the fact that he has been with his current lover for over 6 years pretty much is what tells me. That and he is out and proud of it.

The burnt bodies were in Falluja which has been leveled by the US

Posted by geehowdyfrommo at 2007-05-10 04:18 PM

thanks for the correction you are right

"""I feel for the Iraqi's even if they did kill his buddy."""

That comment is a bullshit apology, the 21 innocent civilians DID NOT KILL HIS BUDDY.

Posted by panchovilla at 2007-05-10 04:24 PM

I meant to say even if he thought ...they did kill his buddy."""

On November 19, a convoy of Marines from the Kilo Company was traveling through the town of Haditha when a roadside bomb detonated, killing Terrazas and injuring two others. Surviving Marines stopped a car and shot its five occupants, then swept through two houses, killing the people inside.

I am not aopolgizing for anyone the whole affair is shameful and sad... I am telling you that this is the shit that happens in War.

Especially this kind of protracted street fighting.

Stop the War and you will stop this.

I am sad we can't stop the War. Until we do this shit will keep happening.

This is someones child...somewhere the Parents cry themselves to sleep...


Someday it may be my child or your child.

www.chron.com


And the slow process of causing us harm here in America creeps on.

When you gotta go, you gotta go...

Funny Flag MFDVR

Great answer, Pancho. Ain't it time for PE class? Hurry, you're gonna be late. Arriba.

Posted by CTA11 at 2007-05-10 04:44 PM | Reply |

I'd rather go to PE class than to celebrate murder. Hurry, you conscience has been lost! Godspeed.

War is Hell, Hermano. Even the wrong ones.

2112: If you're so pissed of at them,. why aren't you over there taking some of them out?

NG will take you up to age 47, soldier up boy!

2112: Do you know whny they hate us? Not the Bushco reason but the real reason?

Briwo,

Yes I know why they REALLY hate us.

Look whos calling me a BOY. That's a knee slapper. I do my part for the cause, trust me.

Course, I don't sit around in my underware on Saturday mornings spewing shit into AN INTERNET RADIO SITE that no one listens to. I mean I don't contribute THAT way so I guess my efforts don't matter huh?

Hey getty,


""""Pancho,

Angry white boy shit? You are not angry that there are millions and millions of Muslims that wish YOU dead. You are a pussy if their actions and vocalazations at wanting us dead do not anger you.""""

If you think celebrating what these asswipe marines did is "being a man", then you are fucked my friend. Anger is a funny thing 2112, you can either use it as a motivating force or you can let it consume you, as these guys did, and like you are doing by celebrating murder.

"""You are one of the things wrong with American males. The feminization of man has got to stop. It's ok to get angry at your enemy. Its ok to stand up for yourself and your country."""

I agree that social expectations and at times, model for men in the past 25 have been blurry, at times a watered down version of what a man is. I don't subscribe to that shit, vive la difference is my motto, celebrate the difference. Again, if you think this action is "standing up" for your country, that these guys murdering innocent civilians to then piss on the corpses is in the best interest of the u.s., you're in serious need of help, cause there's is nothing manly about that, it's cowardly, and juvenile to celebrate the crime.

"""Please tell me your not one of the faggy guys who walks around with a purse (i mean a satchal).

Angry? Hell yes I'm angry at these fucking pig fuckers."""

I guess I have my answer: innocent civilians surrendering, killed by a foreign power illegally attacking their country are "fucking pig fuckers" to you. Bravo. That's not being a man, that's being an idiot.

"""White boy? Yes and proud of it. Bravado? Bet your ass. I won't back down from you or anyone else that threatens me and mine."""

I'm sure those 21 innocent civilians were a real threat to you and yours. You're just angry at something else, maybe your inadequate life, and are lashing out, acting out like a little angry boy cause you can't tackle the real issues you should be facing. 2112 indeed.

"""So, take the gel our of your hair, remove that faggy purple tie and be a man.""""

Now that's just plain funny and yet so revealing.

2112: I'm sure you pitch in and put that yellow ribbon on your car.

Any my show is Sunday afternoon.

But here's part of the reason they hate us:

When queried by reporters concerning his views on the assassination of John F. Kennedy in November 1963, Malcolm X famously and quite charitably, all things considered replied that it was merely a case of "chickens coming home to roost."

On the morning of September 11, 2001, a few more chickens along with some half-million dead Iraqi children came home to roost in a very big way at the twin towers of New York's World Trade Center. Well, actually, a few of them seem to have nestled in at the Pentagon as well.

The Iraqi youngsters, all of them under 12, died as a predictable in fact, widely predicted result of the 1991 US "surgical" bombing of their country's water purification and sewage facilities, as well as other "infrastructural" targets upon which Iraq's civilian population depends for its very survival.

If the nature of the bombing were not already bad enough and it should be noted that this sort of "aerial warfare" constitutes a Class I Crime Against humanity, entailing myriad gross violations of international law, as well as every conceivable standard of "civilized" behavior the death toll has been steadily ratcheted up by US-imposed sanctions for a full decade now. Enforced all the while by a massive military presence and periodic bombing raids, the embargo has greatly impaired the victims' ability to import the nutrients, medicines and other materials necessary to saving the lives of even their toddlers.

All told, Iraq has a population of about 18 million. The 500,000 kids lost to date thus represent something on the order of 25 percent of their age group. Indisputably, the rest have suffered are still suffering a combination of physical debilitation and psychological trauma severe enough to prevent their ever fully recovering. In effect, an entire generation has been obliterated.

The reason for this holocaust was/is rather simple, and stated quite straightforwardly by President George Bush, the 41st "freedom-loving" father of the freedom-lover currently filling the Oval Office, George the 43rd: "The world must learn that what we say, goes," intoned George the Elder to the enthusiastic applause of freedom-loving Americans everywhere. How Old George conveyed his message was certainly no mystery to the US public. One need only recall the 24-hour-per-day dissemination of bombardment videos on every available TV channel, and the exceedingly high ratings of these telecasts, to gain a sense of how much they knew.

In trying to affix a meaning to such things, we would do well to remember the wave of elation that swept America at reports of what was happening along the so-called Highway of Death: perhaps 100,000 "towel-heads" and "camel jockeys" or was it "sand niggers" that week? in full retreat, routed and effectively defenseless, many of them conscripted civilian laborers, slaughtered in a single day by jets firing the most hyper-lethal types of ordnance. It was a performance worthy of the nazis during the early months of their drive into Russia. And it should be borne in mind that Good Germans gleefully cheered that butchery, too. Indeed, support for Hitler suffered no serious erosion among Germany's "innocent civilians" until the defeat at Stalingrad in 1943.

There may be a real utility to reflecting further, this time upon the fact that it was pious Americans who led the way in assigning the onus of collective guilt to the German people as a whole, not for things they as individuals had done, but for what they had allowed nay, empowered their leaders and their soldiers to do in their name.

If the principle was valid then, it remains so now, as applicable to Good Americans as it was the Good Germans. And the price exacted from the Germans for the faultiness of their moral fiber was truly ghastly. Returning now to the children, and to the effects of the post-Gulf War embargo continued bull force by Bush the Elder's successors in the Clinton administration as a gesture of its "resolve" to finalize what George himself had dubbed the "New World Order" of American military/economic domination it should be noted that not one but two high United Nations officials attempting to coordinate delivery of humanitarian aid to Iraq resigned in succession as protests against US policy.

One of them, former U.N. Assistant Secretary General Denis Halladay, repeatedly denounced what was happening as "a systematic program . . . of deliberate genocide." His statements appeared in the New York Times and other papers during the fall of 1998, so it can hardly be contended that the American public was "unaware" of them. Shortly thereafter, Secretary of State Madeline Albright openly confirmed Halladay's assessment. Asked during the widely-viewed TV program Meet the Press to respond to his "allegations," she calmly announced that she'd decided it was "worth the price" to see that U.S. objectives were achieved.


Evben the 9/11 Hijackers left statement that they were angry becuase we were killing their familes.

If another Country did to us what we've doen to them, I would be an American terrorist fighting them any way I could.

And you do realize it was Ronnie Raygun and Bush 41 that put Saddam in business, right?

And you do realize that even teh Shrubster admits Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11.

And you do realize that while the current admin thinks the UN is a joke, they did use it's resolutions to try and justify an attack on a soverign nation that had done nothing to us. right?

Angry white boy shit? You are not angry that there are millions and millions of Muslims that wish YOU dead. You are a pussy if their actions and vocalazations at wanting us dead do not anger you.

You are one of the things wrong with American males. The feminization of man has got to stop. It's ok to get angry at your enemy. Its ok to stand up for yourself and your country.


2112, I disagree You don't have to be angry to stand up for yourself. You don't have to be angry to take out your enemies. You can be cold, efficient, and methodical. Which is exactly what soldiers are supposed to do. There is no room for emotion in strategy.

If someone tried to kill me, I would crap on him, not pee, well, probably both.

Of the men who came, there are a few things demanding to be said in the face of the unending torrent of disinformational drivel unleashed by George Junior and the corporate "news" media immediately following their successful operation on September 11.

They did not, for starters, "initiate" a war with the US, much less commit "the first acts of war of the new millennium."

A good case could be made that the war in which they were combatants has been waged more-or-less continuously by the "Christian West" now proudly emblematized by the United States against the "Islamic East" since the time of the First Crusade, about 1,000 years ago. More recently, one could argue that the war began when Lyndon Johnson first lent significant support to Israel's dispossession/displacement of Palestinians during the 1960s, or when George the Elder ordered "Desert Shield" in 1990, or at any of several points in between. Any way you slice it, however, if what the combat teams did to the WTC and the Pentagon can be understood as acts of war and they can then the same is true of every US "overflight' of Iraqi territory since day one. The first acts of war during the current millennium thus occurred on its very first day, and were carried out by U.S. aviators acting under orders from their then-commander-in-chief, Bill Clinton. The most that can honestly be said of those involved on September 11 is that they finally responded in kind to some of what this country has dispensed to their people as a matter of course.

That they waited so long to do so is, notwithstanding the 1993 action at the WTC, more than anything a testament to their patience and restraint.

They did not license themselves to "target innocent civilians."

There is simply no argument to be made that the Pentagon personnel killed on September 11 fill that bill. The building and those inside comprised military targets, pure and simple. As to those in the World Trade Center . . .

Well, really. Let's get a grip here, shall we? True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a break. They formed a technocratic corps at the very heart of America's global financial empire the "mighty engine of profit" to which the military dimension of U.S. policy has always been enslaved and they did so both willingly and knowingly. Recourse to "ignorance" a derivative, after all, of the word "ignore" counts as less than an excuse among this relatively well-educated elite. To the extent that any of them were unaware of the costs and consequences to others of what they were involved in and in many cases excelling at it was because of their absolute refusal to see. More likely, it was because they were too busy braying, incessantly and self-importantly, into their cell phones, arranging power lunches and stock transactions, each of which translated, conveniently out of sight, mind and smelling distance, into the starved and rotting flesh of infants.

Actually I was kind of surprised that during your diatribe you didn't let loose with a few "sand niggers" yourself 2112.

Being the great keyboard warrior you are.

Donnerboy,

I agree, it's sad for everyone implicated in this mess. It just pisses me off to see some of the apologists on this thread, makes me livid to see idiots celebrating the event because of anger they can't channel properly. If they are so pissed, they should start realising that the mess started at home.

Nice cut and paste BRIOW but their hatred for Americans and JewS goes back WAY further than 1991.

If you think that is the REAL reason they hate us you dumber than I imagined.

As far as your show being Sat or Sun. What's the diff. No one is listening anyway.

Nice Nazi infrence as well.

Predictable, oh so predictable.


I do not support this war overall and think we should get out ASAP. But, while we are there WAR is HELL. What's the ole saying alls fair in love.......

No yellow ribbons for me either. I support our troops already, as do all tax paying citizens in this country. I just wish they were not used as cannon fodder and given the chance to do what they do best. KILL THE ENEMY AND ANYONE THAT SUPPORTS THEM!!!

Briwo,

Sandniggers is so 80's and it gives black people a bad name. To equate a pigfucker to a black person is just plain rude to black people.

In my broad generalizations I do realize that all Muslims are not our enemy I mean just look at ALL of them that are decrying what the supposed 'select few' are doing.

I mean I cant go out on the weekend for all the protests the 'good' muslims are putting on decrying what the radicals are doing.

"There is no room for emotion in strategy."

I always found that my chances of winning any fight is directly proportional to how angry I am. If I'm not furious, I'm not going to do what it takes to win.

And I think that kind of goes for this country fighting a war too. We had no reason to invade Iraq. They didn't attack us. They didn't threaten us. We didn't uncover a sneaky plot to do us in. That is why the country AND the government was NEVER 100% behind this war. A country that is fighting a war for survival doesn't bother with hearts and minds or building Democracy. It does whatever it needs to do to neutralize the people who are trying to harm it. That means drafting an army, rationing war materials, valuing the lives of our oldiers over those of enemy civilians, etc, etc.

If we really had a reason to be at war with Iraq, most of us wouldn't care about the murders that took place in Haditha, let alone the a couple of ounces of piss.

"""If you think that is the REAL reason they hate us you dumber than I imagined."""

Why don't you enlighten us, albert.

Pray tell, why do they hate us?

We're all waiting with bated breath.

Sun Tzu, the art of war.

Chapter: waging war.

""Now in order to kill the enemy, our men must be roused to anger; that there may be advantage from defeating the enemy, they must have their rewards."""

Panco, Briwo is the one that 'though' he had the answer. I know the reason they hate us and am not going to be your teacher.

If you really want to know I suggest you get busy. It's all out there.

Here, I'll get you started:

www.google.com

Sun Tzu, the art of war

Chapter: laying plans.

Sun Tzu said: The art of war is of vital importance to the State.

It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected.

The art of war, then, is governed by five constant factors, to be taken into account in one's deliberations, when seeking to determine the conditions obtaining in the field.

These are: (1) The Moral Law; (2) Heaven; (3) Earth; (4) The Commander; (5) Method and discipline.

[It appears from what follows that Sun Tzu means by "Moral Law" a principle of harmony, not unlike the Tao of Lao Tzu in its moral aspect. One might be tempted to render it by "morale," were it not considered as an attribute of the ruler in ss. 13.]


The MORAL LAW causes the people to be in complete accord with their ruler, so that they will follow him regardless of their lives, undismayed by any danger.

Ahhh, the Art of War! I am reading a version currently that equates the teachings to business. Pretty powerful stuff.

Actually, Sun Tzu is only 'credited' for writing The Art of War.

The real author is unknown!

2112: Oh the anger, the personal attacks ( and hitting me where it really hurts, my internet radio show....sob)by the way, my first show was so powerful it made 3 people, from differnet parts of the Country cry, but I digress.

How does all that anger feel? All bottled up inside you like that. Can't be good for you. Don't you feel like taking it on someone sometimes? I mean in real life not here, I mean threateneing and insulting and making oersonal attacks against someone over the internet, saying things you would never have the guts to say to their face, well that would be silly, wouldn't it.

But it must be tearing you up. You hate them so much and yet you can't bring yourself to sign up and go over there and get some of those towel heads for yourself. Must be hard to look in the mirror.
Sure you can come on here and scream and yell about how much you hate them, an say you don't care how many of them or their children we've killed, I mean they're just brown skinned people with different opinions and religions than you, it's not like they're good Ole red, white & blue Americans, it's not like they're, well, human or anything.

right?

2112,

Called your bluff and you folded like a cheap lawn chair, very predictable indeed.

Shall I outline the basic tenets of a discussion, of a debate? If you disagree with someone, it's juuuust not quite enough to say: nope, you're wrong and you're a fool. You should at least be ready to outline why you think the person is wrong. The "i know but won't tell you" is...well, I don't need to tell you how that looks, do I?

I don't need to google the crap, I agree with briwo, 'cept the seeds the u.s. is now reaping go much further and wider than iraq.

If you disagree, tell me why, if if you can't, stfu.

Democracy is the formal icing on a preexisting cake of egalitarianism, economic opportunity, religious tolerance, and constant self-criticism. It cannot appear in the Muslim world until men and women demolish the medieval forces of tribalism, authoritarian traditionalism, and Islamic fundamentalism.

The catastrophe of the Muslim world is also explicable in its failure to grasp the nature of Western success, which springs neither from luck nor resources, genes nor geography.

Like third-world Marxists of the 1960s, who put blame for their own self-inflicted misery upon corporations, colonialism, and racism--anything other than the absence of real markets and a free society--the Islamic intelligentsia recognizes the Muslim world's inferiority towards the West, but it then seeks to fault others for its own self-created fiasco.

Government spokesmen in the Middle East should have the courage to say that they are poor because their populations are nearly half illiterate, that their governments are not free, that their economies are not open, and that their fundamentalists impede scientific inquiry, unpopular expression, and cultural exchange.

Tragically, the immediate prospects for improvement are dismal, as the war against terrorism has further isolated the Middle East. Travel, foreign education, and academic exchanges -- the only sources of future hope for the Arab world -- have screeched to a halt.

All the conferences in Cairo about Western bias and media distortion cannot hide this self-inflicted catastrophe -- and the growing ostracism and suspicion of Middle Easterners in the West.

But blaming the West for the unendurable reality is easier for millions of Muslims than admitting the truth.

Billions of barrels of oil, large populations, the Suez Canal, the fertility of the Nile, Tigris, and Euphrates valleys, invaluable geopolitical locations, and a host of other natural advantages that helped create wealthy civilizations in the past now yield an excess of misery, rather than the riches of resource-poor Hong Kong or Switzerland.

How could it be otherwise, when it takes bribes and decades to obtain a building permit in Cairo; when habeas corpus is a cruel joke in Baghdad; and when Saudi Arabia turns out more graduates in Islamic studies than in medicine or engineering?

To tackle illiteracy, state-sanctioned killing, and the economic misery that comes from corruption and state control require courage and self-examination.

yes the Art of War...

If only our CiC actually read and used it...any of it...

Agree Donnerboy. In reading it one can see so many things that were/are done incorrectly.

2112: You buy Bush's crap about they hate us for our freedoms and I'm the dumb one?

christians have been attacking and killing them for 1,000 yrs, I can't imagine why they hate us.

We destroy theiur water and sanitation infastructure and their children and babies (the most vulnerable) die by the thousands, but they hate us because we're free, yeah that's it.

If you weren't so pathetic it would be laughable.

the seeds the u.s. is now reaping go much further and wider than iraq.

If you disagree, tell me why, if if you can't, stfu.


Posted by panchovilla at 2007-05-10 05:45 PM


Yes, much of S. America hasn't forgotten Ronnies "death Squads"

Sorry Briow but I just don't feel like we are tha BAD GUYS in all this.

Muslims have had a difficult time with EVERY other people from the beginning of time. It is in the history books. We are not the first people that they could not get along with.

christians have been attacking and killing them for 1,000 yrs, I can't imagine why they hate us.

They have been attacking and killing since the dawn of time.

Ever hear of Kane and Able?

Ahhh, the Art of War! I am reading a version currently that equates the teachings to business. Pretty powerful stuff.

Posted by _2112_ at 2007-05-10 05:39 PM | Reply

2112, all shit aside. How do you reconcile enjoying Sun Tzu with your position on this issue? If you take a close look at his thoughts on how to treat an enemy, a prisoner, there's an obvious disconnect between your previous statements and the basic tenets of the book you are so enjoying.

Um...Cain, actually...but that begs the question: whom did Cain marry?

Yep, America is bad.

Briwo and Panch, If you hate America so much the get the fuck out!

I have to go now.

Submitted by dar Ayyad min Silwad, Ramallah, Jan 12, 2005 at 19:42


As a Muslim and even more importantly, as a Palestinian, I see this country as one of the worst in the world with the most ignorant, gullible people in the world. Americans don't have the brain capacity to think for themselves and use logic. All they know is to chant "USA, USA, USA" like morons. They are all too busy thinking about trivial issues and are so in love with themselves, I have no idea why. Oh my God did you hear that Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt broke up, This is the big news that rattles the nation. What a bunch of morons.

I will tell you why Arabs despise this country so much, because you are deceitful and manipulate other governments for President Bush's hidden agenda. When the US government doesn't get its way "diplomatically", they instigate wars and riots like they did to acquire the rights to build the Panama Canal, Yes they did -- look it up. Instigating a war in Panama because Venezuela would not allow them to build a canal and because Venezuela. couldn't control the rioting, the US gov't came in heroicly to save the day.

Or the BIGGEST MISTAKE, establishing Israel, and because of that millions of Arabs and Muslims around the world hate your guts. If your government felt sorry for the Jews, they should have given them Manhattan Island and renamed it Israel, but no, instead they decided, "Let's make Israel where PALESTINE is and everything will be alright." It's like putting a black family in a KKK community. They were not welcome and still are not welcome.

Or how about the "elections" in Palestine. The American puppet spy Abu Mazen is elected who is corrupt but America dosen't think so because he will do what ever the Jews and America want.

Or the war in Iraq, kicking out a leader who dosen't take nonsense from anyone and does what he wants is kicked out of his own country because Mr. Bush says he has WMD. Baloney.

Now Allawi, the other American puppet, is put in his place, and US embassies will be built in Iraq, which would never have been allowed before, so that they can assert their control over the false, fake government.

PS I cannot put the amount of rage in my soul into words, how I hate the US and Israel and all who support them....

One of hundreds of millions of angry muslims,
Sheik Ahmad Yaseim

@112: If we hate America get the fuck out, well there it is, it's finally come down to the final lack of any argument.

Look you siveling little pissant, every direct male descendant of my great-great grandfather who fought for the Union in the Civil War has serves this COuntry.

I will not now or ever get out.
Why don't you put you pansy ass where your mouth is and server your Country.

how is this news again....who cares if a Marines pisses on a dead iraqi...its not like he is chopping ears off and stuff and making neckleces out of them


BRIWO...shut the fuck up.. back in the day you would have did this and that...that was yesterday ....if you were to beat on a Marine today...you would get your ass kicked...go ahead bring on all the NCOs you want...rank comes off and fairness falls by the way side these days...so do not expect your rank entitles you to beat on somebody

Pancho,

All shit aside.

I actually think that what the Marine did was wrong, however put many young men into those terrible conditions and I can understand how it would happen. Anger is a real thing even if misguided.

In reading the Art of War and parrallelling it to our invasion in Iraq I don't think you could make more blunders or misjudgements. How this all came about is a real tragedy. We have fostered MORE hatred within the world by our actions. Interestingly enough we have also had no other attacks, however I feel that is just a matter of time.

I cannot support why we are there or how it is currently being conducted.

I can, however 100% support our troops even if they do some stupid things under the extreme conditions they are under.

I mean 18-22 year olds. My GOD!!!!!! They are children being put into some pretty nasty shit.

They have my 100% support even if a few of them fuck up.

Anyway, I hope this clears things up a little.

"Look you siveling little pissant, every direct male descendant of my great-great grandfather who fought for the Union in the Civil War has serves this COuntry.

I will not now or ever get out.
Why don't you put you pansy ass where your mouth is and server your Country"


NOW THERE IS THE ANGER I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

Good to see your not one of the feminized males out there Briwo.

I admire your fire.

Oh, and, I do serve my country. Every single day with every single breath.

TTFN

Take a chill pill, tomorrows Friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2112...do not say your sorry....this is not the first war where our troops do stuff like this...and it will not be the last war....it just people like BRIWO think this war is something special when its not

this is an office hours offense if anything...if Haditha did not happen this would not even make it to this web site

"Ever hear of Kane and Able?"

Actually, it is
Cain and Abel.

Which reminds me:

God made Cain and Abel, not Cain and Mabel.

Hans

"christians have been attacking and killing them for 1,000 yrs, I can't imagine why they hate us."

Oh, jeeze.

They are pissed off that they are poor. They're only education comes from reigious wackos who tell them that 1) they'd all be rich and living in this Utopian Islamic Emirate if not for us and 2) it is their religious duty to hate non-believers. Even if you listen to Bin Laden, his complaints go back hundreds of years because the recent history is the story of the rich in the region fucking the poor.

The truth is that they are poor because the vast wealth of the region is controlled by a very small portion of the population. The rich in these countries live an obscene lifestyle. These sheiks all have a dozen mansions but its my fault that these assholes live in mud huts? Give me a break.

I would expect the poor and ignorant of the Middle East not to realize that just maybe that high on the hog lifestyle comes at their expense. But for an educated Westerner not to see it just betrays some kind of bullshit self loathing.

Urinated on the dead at Haditha?

Hope he missed the kids.

CAMP PENDLETON, California (Reuters) - A U.S. Marine who walked through two houses in Haditha, Iraqi minutes after other Marines killed occupants with grenades and guns found two wounded children pretending to be dead next to a deceased woman.

"I saw one breathe. That's how I knew," 1st Lt. William Kallop testified on Tuesday at a military tribunal at Camp Pendleton. "The little boy who breathed was about 6 or 7 and when I touched him, the little girl jumped up. She was about 11.
"

www.drudge.com

So apparently the strategy in Iraq is whenever a bomb goes off find whoever is closest and kill them.

And you guys still haven't won over the local hearts and minds yet?

What's up with that?

These two little survivor kids are hearts and minds lost forever.

Be Well.

PS: The really sad thing here is the fact that this was covered up for so long and it's prolly only the tip of the ice-berg in terms of civiliam killings in Iraq.

Spud is glad to see justice done here, despite this being a mostly showpiece trial. This is an effort to try and convince folk that there is something resembling law and order in Iraq. It won't convince anyone in Iraq, of course. This ones mostly fer domestic comsumption.

Be Well.

OMF! Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt broke up? WTF I have to go...this is sooo sad!

SPUD...maybe our Marines need to use stung guns.. bean bag and flash bangs to fight this war....just throw all those worthless lethal weapons away...hhhhhhhmmmmmm glad SPUD is not running this war...we would have either givin up by now...or arrested enough iraqis to fill the jails for 100 years...yep this would be truely a police action and not a war

Sheik Ahmad Yaseim

whomever you are you are a fool.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT AMERICA IS ABOUT OR WHERE IT IS.


here are some clues

It ain't about the Shrub...he doesn't have a clue either.

and

You won't find it on the evening news...

My dad was a Marine in the Pacific theater during WW2

As much as he hated 'Japs', he and other U.S. forces treated our prisoners of war according to international law. Even though he had a wall full of daggars and other items he took off of 'Japs' he killed during combat, he would never have acted in any way less than honorably.

THAT is the only thing that made us different from our enemies, and the primary reason that relations with Japan and Germany were normalized to the point that today they are our allies.

Stooping to the level of your enemies is NOT the American way. Or the Marine way. Only the facts that we maintained the moral high ground and proved ourselves benevolent in the aftermath are responsible for the incredible respect the world had for America and the American way after WW2.

Unfortunately, Allamerican, the moral sense of the recent necon emergence has been to state, in so many words, that conceptualizing a "moral high ground" gives aid to the enemy.

Another common neocon point of view is that we are moral automatically, just because we are Americans, and despite what it is that we happen to do.

If you caught your kids mouthing such nonsense or behaving according to it, you'd fetch a switch.

uliaruJUDAS sed...

"SPUD...maybe our Marines need to use stung guns.. bean bag and flash bangs to fight this war....just throw all those worthless lethal weapons away."

Maybe they should stop arbitrarily killing the closest civilians to an ied explosion as a knee jerk reaction to their anger and frustration at fighting an enemy who in truth, is everybody in the country who has a right to be there.

ie NOT THEM.

Be Well.

PS: Spud appreciated the fact that Judas is glad that Spud sin't "running the war" and all but in truth is Judas glad that Dumbya is?

Running the war?

If Spud was "running the war" Spud wouldn't be in Iraq. That woulda never happened, BigOil, AIPAC and Israel's interest be damned. Spud would be getting the job done in Afghanistan which was the real mission and Spud would be telling Pakistan to fuck right off and woulda gone in and taken Bin Ladens freakin' skull by now!

PPS: "stung guns" was funny fer Spud!

"Stooping to the level of your enemies is NOT the American way."

Strewth!

Good post All American.

If you must stoop to the tactics of your enemy to defeat your enemy you may win the battles and even the war but you have already lost wot you were fighting for.

Justifiable Pride comes from a Clear Conscience.

Be Well.

SPUD...CIC and gernerals will never agree all the time...truman fired Mcauther...but lets forget all that bullshit right....what does past war have to do about persent wars....right

SPUD...you are so insightful about this war...tell me something...what was vietnam about...what about korea WWI and WWII about...go ahead give it a shot...lets see how this converation will play out

Historians still puzzle about what WWI was about. No lie.

Abu Ghraib was a key incident in this conflict that resulted in lost Arab and Persian hearts and minds as far as what America has historically stood for. Of course, invading a country unprovoked didn't help either.

If we're trying to bring 'democracy' to the Iraqis, then we need to practice the tenets of the American justice system such as 'innocent until proven guilty', and act differently than the tyrants we overthrow.

That one incident alone did more to undo decades of credibility as a nation that always stood for what's right and just and acted accordingly. Haditha only resulted in adding to a list of the worst Americans can be. Two wrongs never make a right.

In large part, WWII was WWI, so the mystery is compounded. It gets worse when your realize that no WWI, no Korean War.

Good name for the Marines that acted so horribly in Haditha:

"Judas Company"

They betrayed America through their actions.

where ALLAMERICAN is wrong ....is when he said we treated our enemy with kindness....what a crock of shit...he is getting this confused with how things are reported these days...hhhhmmmm lets see...this golden shower on a dead iraqi would never been reported during WWII...becaue reporting something like this back then would have not been looked upon kindly because it might effect the troops...today reporting stuff like this is ok...even if it effects our troops...yea get the golden shower story out stat....its so important the people need to know this...why because we hate bush

"It is so important people need to know this...."

Yes, it is. People need to know what a rotted nest of maggots war is, lest they fall into them too quickly.

One ponders how the world might be different today had George Bush ever read Seigfried Sassoon. Or, for that matter, if he ever read.

ALLAMERICA...yea lets make war civilized...then we can call war something else...since war is just an aweful term...lets call war (fill in the blank)...love play

ZED....then why not report stuff like this back in the days of old wars...because you are inventing a new kind of war

"Because you are inventing a new kind of war...."

The literature of warfare is vast. The best and most damning witnesess have always been veterans.

Nah. It's you who would like to re-invent.

JUDAS

Americans probably DID piss on dead Jap soldiers but not on innocent civilians they'd just murdered.

Underlying your point of view is an assumption I've seen often these past five years--If it isn't spoken of it isn't real.

Part of the reason we are in such trouble.

i remember a star trek show....when kirk went down to a planet to talk to the peole only to find out they were at war with another counrty...well kirk looked around and saw no guns or wepons...he said how are you fighting this war...the leader said by computer...kirk said how...the leader said the computer picks a person by lotto and that person has to be killed...he said its more civilised to do it this way...so the innocent does not get hurt....maybe you guys can create a new war doctrine bases off this episode

ALLAMERICA...what pacific island was for japansees occupation????

judASS,

"....its so important the people need to know this...why because we hate bush"

Yes, it is important to know the truth.

Yer point that this kind of reporting demoralises troops and emboldens the enemy and wouldn't have happened during WWII is true up to a point.

The American governments control over the MSM during that war was certainly more complete but your comparison has a couple of problems.

First, the troops are already demoralised by being in a no-win situation in Iraq. They know they are viewed by the locals as having no legitimacy there. Mostly because they have no legitimacy there.

Second, the Iraqis do not require further emboldening they are quite pissed off enuff as it is at present.

Third the point isn't that a marine pissed on a dead Iraqi. The point is that a bunch of Marines killed a bunch of innocent ciilians and then covered it up and now are being brought to justice.

Fourth, the larger point is that those Marines should have never bput in that situation in the first place but that they were put there by a lying, incompetant, corporately corrupted regime in which the prime meat puppet is one Mr George Walker Bush.

That's the point.

Do try and stay on point.

Instead of asking others why they hate Bush Spud is gonna ask you wots to love about the man?

Short list is it?

Be Well.

PS: Chewedass sed...

"SPUD...you are so insightful about this war..."

More than you? Hard not to be.

Spud sez... Thanx anyway! ;^)

make sure when you invent your new kind of war...you make the enemy sign it...oh yea and make sure the UN enforces it...hahahahahhaa

SPUD...this thread clearly states it about a golden shower on a dead iraqi

SPUD...you are so insightful about this war...tell me something...what was vietnam about...what about korea WWI and WWII about...go ahead give it a shot...lets see how this converation will play out

SPUD...First, the troops are already demoralised by being in a no-win situation in Iraq. They know they are viewed by the locals as having no legitimacy there. Mostly because they have no legitimacy there.

Second, the Iraqis do not require further emboldening they are quite pissed off enuff as it is at present.

Third the point isn't that a marine pissed on a dead Iraqi. The point is that a bunch of Marines killed a bunch of innocent ciilians and then covered it up and now are being brought to justice.

Fourth, the larger point is that those Marines should have never bput in that situation in the first place but that they were put there by a lying, incompetant, corporately corrupted regime in which the prime meat puppet is one Mr George Walker Bush.

first... who are you to judge what is victory and what is defeat...if iraq wanted us out they can have us out easy

second.. your 2nd 3rd and 4th post is just a political hack talk

uh....

MISSION ACCOM-PISSED?

"first... who are you to judge what is victory and what is defeat...if iraq wanted us out they can have us out easy"

Judas yer so retarded and obviously have so little of a clue here that it's kinda pathetic but still...

* deep sigh *

Spud feels obliged to help you out of your mental hole here.

Do you know what a "commited insurgency" is?

Wot that means is that the locals in a given area will never sees the invader/occupiers as legitimate and will fight them generation after generation.

That's wot ya had in Vietnem.

That's why you couldn't win despite dropping mass ordinance on the country and putting large numbers of troops into the meat grinder.

That's also wot you have in Iraq.

That's also why ultimately you can't win in a conventional military way.

If George AWOL Bush or Dick 5 Deferments Cheney had actually gone and fought in Vietnam they would know this.

Or even read a book or two on the subject.

But, sadly not.

Be Well.

PS: FF fer All American!

"Judas Company" was fun fer Spud!

"MISSION ACCOM-PISSED?"

FF fer Dumpling.

Spud can't believe he missed that one.

Be Well.

Okay, first off I am now convinced that Judas is the only guy ever to have flunked out of both kindergarden and Hooked on Phonics.

Where to start...

Let's start with this, because it gave me such a hearty laugh.


SPUD...this thread clearly states it about a golden shower on a dead iraqi

Posted by judas at 2007-05-10 08:13 PM | Reply | Flag:


Followed by the punchline...


SPUD...you are so insightful about this war...tell me something...what was vietnam about...what about korea WWI and WWII about...go ahead give it a shot...lets see how this converation will play out


Posted by judas at 2007-05-10 08:29 PM


Aroo?

But didn't you just say that

SPUD...this thread clearly states it about a golden shower on a dead iraqi

Posted by judas at 2007-05-10 08:13 PM


Yeah, that's what I thought.

Ya see now, that above right there is comedy gold, no matter how unintentional it was.

Son, you're a moron.

And before I get accused of making unsubstantiated attacks, exhibit A:


SPUD...CIC and gernerals will never agree all the time...truman fired Mcauther...but lets forget all that bullshit right....what does past war have to do about persent wars....right

Posted by judas at 2007-05-10 07:44 PM |


Every war is different. Past wars would only have bearing if El Arbusto and his Merry Band of Dancing Chickens had managed to learn from the mistakes of previous war presidents. They have not, so...what does WWI have to do with the Police Action in Iraq?

Exhibit B:

i remember a star trek show....when kirk went down to a planet to talk to the peole only to find out they were at war with another counrty...well kirk looked around and saw no guns or wepons...he said how are you fighting this war...the leader said by computer...kirk said how...the leader said the computer picks a person by lotto and that person has to be killed...he said its more civilised to do it this way...so the innocent does not get hurt....maybe you guys can create a new war doctrine bases off this episode

Posted by judas at 2007-05-10 08:09 PM | Reply


Huh?

Honey, you are aware that Star Trek was make believe, right?

Exhibit illustrates that not only are you a moron, you're also crazy as a three dollar bill.

Exhibit C:

SPUD...maybe our Marines need to use stung guns.. bean bag and flash bangs to fight this war....just throw all those worthless lethal weapons away...hhhhhhhmmmmmm glad SPUD is not running this war...we would have either givin up by now...or arrested enough iraqis to fill the jails for 100 years...yep this would be truely a police action and not a war


Now, admittedly I needed to dust off the official RNC Kool Aid Drinker decoder ring for that one, but fill jails for 100 years? With the same bunch or would we have to find new Iraqis to incarcerate as the older ones died?

If anyone else had been in charge, my little brain damaged RNC machine, we wouldn't even be in Iraq. We would have finished the job in Afghanistan and have 3300+ more American Soldiers than we do now.

Given up? What exactly, we went into Iraq ostensibly to remove Saddam and make sure there were no WMD's. Then it was to bring Democracy.

Guess what, Sparky, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! We won, we can go home now. Well we could if we didn't have a psycho stupid mass murderer occupying the Oval Office and the loyal 28 percenters cheering on the deaths of our bravest men and women.

Ugh.

Remember the trek episode where Kirk got his shirts ripped and then screwed the hottest chick on the planet?

That was a good one. Right, Judas?

This is nothing but a reflection of our leaders who are in charge of our armed forces.

Apparently, honor, integrity, pride are not part of the leadership running our troops.

I swear, I never understood the attraction to Captain Kirk.

*Shudder*

SPUD...do you even know what MISSION means...you throw that term around loosly...how many missions are in a campain....how many battles in a war.... to mock success or failure of one battle or one mission seems kinda stupid dont you think...do you know anything about war...i know you know alot about politics...thats pretty obvious

SPUD...you do not even understand Veitnam...Vietnam was backed by and funded by the north vietnam (russia)...the veitcong were fighting in the begining....their losses were so great..that the NVA had to prop up the Veit cong...to boost the numbers...in the end vietnam was not taken over by gurrillias...it was by NVA

TREE...your are a SPUD wanna be...exit stage right

Judas,

LOL!

I'm not a wannabe anyone, but I can understand you're wanting me to leave. I mean if you can't respond to anything I had to say in a coherent way, shutting me up is the next best thing, right Baby Boy?

Sorry, not gonna happen. I plan on sticking around, Punkin.

*why you're wanting me to leave*

TREE...no say what you want...but be yourself...you do not have to copy SPUD...to get what you want to say across

Guess what?
When the people of this country aren't out in the streets calling for Bush's head, they're pissing on Iraqi civilians as well.
Anyone who disagrees with this statement, please provide evidence that the thousands of Iraqis that we killed were ANY threat to us.

TREE...no say what you want...but be yourself...you do not have to copy SPUD...to get what you want to say across


Please elaborate on your assertion that I was copying spud? You know back it up with actual proof?

Where in my post did I refer to myself as an 8 1/2 inch tall talking tuber? Where in my post did I refer to myself in the thrid person? Where in my post did I refer to myself as "Spud"?

Anything? Any proof at all? No, just pulled that one out of your ass?

Okay. Your apology for accusing me of something I clearly did not do is accepted in advance.

Although, since Spud is one of my favorite tubers on the planet, if I were to emulate someone he'd be right at the top of the list of candidates.

just like those Germans in WWII...they did not attack us....what about italy...they did not attack us...in vietnam they said a boat was attacked...but the same thing they said happened to the maine...remember the maine...did we have to go to war over a boat....what about korea...they told us to leave because they wanted to unite korea...we were in the way....thats not NK fault....why did we fight WWI...europe was in danger not us..kuwaiti war...panama...grenada...those countries were no threat to the US

TREE..YOU WON...now go do a victory lap around the block...and reward yourself with a cookie

most of those wars were started and fought when a DEM was in office...yet they were justified...the only two wars that were justified was Japan...and afganistan...but really not afganistan..because they just had terrorist in their country as of most countries...we could have had long talks with them...maybe impose some sactions...why did we have to act...why not bring about peaceful means to all conflicts.....wow that would be a nice utopian war...like the computer one on STAR TREK

just like those Germans in WWII...they did not attack us

Tired of this talking point...

Germany declared war on us and attacked our subs, you god damn moron.

after we declared war on their friend...we could have talked ourselves out of that war if we wanted to...Germany really did not want to fight the US....they were just showing support for their ally after Japan attacked the US...Germany wanted Europe not the US...the US wanted to help Europe fight Germany..lend lease act...so yea im sure some of the supply ship were attacked...and why were our subs even near Europe during a time of war...its not to help out the Germans...so they are fair game

America pushed its way into WWII.. when we could have just fought the people (Japan) who really attacked us...not to supply another country (Britian) to fight Germany and expect no attacks on the supply routes

You're right, Judas. We should have left germany alone. Putting people in ovens by the millions isnt a good reason to fight someone.

"SPUD...you do not even understand Veitnam...Vietnam was backed by and funded by the north vietnam (russia)...the veitcong were fighting in the begining....their losses were so great..that the NVA had to prop up the Veit cong...to boost the numbers...in the end vietnam was not taken over by gurrillias...it was by NVA"

How come Judas can spell "Vietnam" right and not "VietCong"?

Charlie may not be able to surf but Spud imagines Charlie can spell better than that.

Vietnam was a civil war with the south backed by the US after France gave up on the place and the North backed by the old Sovet system. But the Russians never actually sent troops. The NVA did wear uniforms it's true, making them different at least in that way from the insurgency in Iraq but the similarities are pretty damn similar too.

American troops didn't know friend from foe a lot of the time in Vietnam but the enemy always knew who the US was.

Same thing in Iraq.

Is Iran supplying components for IEDs and the like to the Shia in Iraq?

Hell, yeah.

But they aint the only ones, prolly.

America fights the "war of the flea" in Iraq.

The "death by a thousand cuts" thing.

The only real difference between the civil wars in 'Nam and Iraq is that America never precipitated the one in 'Nam they just inherited it.

The one in Iraq was started by the admin.

In the end, as you say, Vietnam was taken over by the Vietnamese.

At the end of this debacle Iraq will be taken over by Iraqis.

Same Same.

Be Well.

COG...the ovens were after the fact...not before...we did not know about ovens..thats not why we attacked germany

SPUD...last ditch thing that happens in a argumant....is attacking the other person

SPUD...vietnam might have been in a gurrillia war but not a civil war...in the end it was a country that took vietnam...that country might been the same people ...but they had different ideas...unlike iraq and iran connection you try to imply

Judas- We knew jews and pols were being murdered in large numbers. People were leaving the country in droves to come here.

TREESGONEWILD said:

"Please elaborate on your assertion that I was copying spud? You know back it up with actual proof?

Where in my post did I refer to myself as an 8 1/2 inch tall talking tuber? Where in my post did I refer to myself in the thrid person? Where in my post did I refer to myself as "Spud"?

Anything? Any proof at all?"

OMFG! Someone call a fucking waaambulance.! Were you choking back the tears when you wrote that? I'm chokin' back the tears from laughing at your pansy ass.

My God. So do you think you have a case against him? Maybe hire yourself a talking mouthpiece (since yours is full of your boyfriend's anatomy) and sue him for that injurious "assertion."

America pushed its way into WWII.. when we could have just fought the people (Japan) who really attacked us...not to supply another country (Britian) to fight Germany and expect no attacks on the supply routes

Posted by judas at 2007-05-10 10:49 PM | Reply


Both Germany and Japan attacked the United States and let us not forget that Germany Officially Declared War upon the United States December 11 1941. Oh and since Japan was Allied with Germany that also means Germany attacked the United States that way as well. Just an FYI

Larry

Where did she mention a lawsuit? She asked for a proof, dumbass.

Squeegykid,

Tree's point was that Judass is a liar.

Spud point is that you never seem to make a point.

Do you have a point to make that doesn't involve you taking off yer hat?

Didn't think so.

STFU!

Be Well.

Squealer is just pissed because I decimated his post on the nooner. He's just projecting his hurt and humiliation.

Squealer, it's okay honey. I'm sorry, I didn't realize how fragile you were when I posted.

I'll try to be more compassionate in deference to your condition in the future.

Do you need a hug, sweetie?

"SPUD...vietnam might have been in a gurrillia war but not a civil war...in the end it was a country that took vietnam...that country might been the same people ...but they had different ideas...unlike iraq and iran connection you try to imply"

Glad ya figured out how to spell Vietnam right, at least.

North Vietnam was locked in a civil war with the south.

A lot of the war was fought, and in fact it was mostly won, with a lot of guerilla tactics.

The Iran thing was just to show the similarities between the NVA being supplied from Russia while the insurgency in Iraq is being supplied from Iran and others sympathetic to the Iraqis plight in the region.

America right to be in Vietnam was predicated on cold war realities that no longer exist today but still it was an unwise war.

America's right to be in Iraq is non-existant.

Both wars are unwinnable in the classic sense but America is more interested in controlling the Iraqi economy and especially the oil fields than anything else.

There will always be similarites as well as differences in parallels between any two engagements.

Be Well.

North Vietnam was locked in a civil war with the south.

LMAO

The country was divided at the Geneva Accords.

At least twice before Vietnam had been divided, once by a Cambodian invasion of the south, and another by a Chinese invasion of the north.

While the Viet Cong fought as guerillas, the Viet Minh fought as an army. Their shared goal was reunification as a nation, something the Vietnamese have struggled to be for centuries.

The relevance it has with Iraq is the tactics we've used in an attempt to suppress and dominate the respective countries.

There is some irony in that the OSS trained the Vietnamese insurgents to resist the Japanese in WWII who then used the same against us, and the CIA trained the muhjadeen to resist the Russians in Afghanistan and those same tactics (minus the Stinger missiles) are being used against us in Iraq.

Otherwise it is black and white.

SPUD..the north and south vietnam was not in a civil war...they were seperate countries...its like saying NK is still locked in a civil war with SK not possible

deep sigh *

Spud feels obliged to help you out of your mental hole here.

Do you know what a "commited insurgency" is?

Wot that means is that the locals in a given area will never sees the invader/occupiers as legitimate and will fight them generation after generation.

That's wot ya had in Vietnem

tthats not what we had in Veitnam or iraq...you said so yourself...you see the saimilar thing that happen between the two...but you said yourself that countries are backing the insurgency russia was backing vietnam like iran is backing iraq....its not the "committed insurgency" like you said

This was obviously just an attempt to revive them. There wasn't any malice involved.

Angels of mercy-misunderstood

(ooooooook)

Maybe the Marines could make this part of their recruiting strategy...

"Join us...Be the Strong...Be a Marine...Have the opportunity to piss on dead Iraqis"

I've been pointing out to these neocon revisionists that German declared war on us, not we on them, for about five years now.

They don't care. They need this fact to be wrong, therefore it is wrong. Good luck arguing Judas out of it. Better luck getting him to read a history book.

Iraqis are mongrels.

Posted by CTA11 at 2007-05-10 04:27 PM | Reply

Now what would God (or Jesus if you beleive in him) have to say about such a statement?

"One of hundreds of millions of angry muslims,
Sheik Ahmad Yaseim"

Someone should tell The Sheik that Great Britain, under the UN's authority, established Israel, not the US.

He doesn't even know who took "his" land and he calls us ignorant.

Now what would God (or Jesus if you beleive in him) have to say about such a statement?


Probably,

"I know, I fucked up on that bunch."

ZED...Germany was allied with Japan...no shit they declared war...you need to learn how to read....what i said was that was a war that we did not have to fight...we could have talked to Germany..they were no immedate threat to us..they were attacking Europe..Germany decleration of war only becasue Japan declared war...if the US was not doing the lend lease act (read your history book) maybe Germany would have ignored us all together....but because we were backing the war in Europe...we were involved... and Germany did not like that we were arming Britian...now retort that...you are talking to thee wrong person ...READ MY FUCKING POST...do not scan it...a war with Germany could have been avoided...who gives a shit about Europe

Glad that piece of shit isn't in this country. Can't we put real murders in our prison in a unit and send the to war. I'm sure they'd love it. Strangling al Qaeda and criminals- would be fun for them

JUDAS

Quit skipping school to blog.

Your lack of education is blaring.

At least get some tutoring in spelling if nothing else.

"a war with Germany could have been avoided..."

Oops:

December 11, 1941 - Germany Declares War on America
Well, I guess American could have, you know, surrendered on December 12th, 1941.

Yeah. That would have avoided war.

Hans

"...(read your history book)...
Posted by Judas."

You mean, The History Book?

Thanks for laugh.

"the" laugh, as in "the" history book.

"""maybe you guys can create a new war doctrine bases off this episode"""

Oh, look at that. My cpu says it's time for you to slit your wrists. Seems you're the first casualty in the "don't need this idiot in the herd" game.

Judas---You are the product of a time when wars have no real starts or ends, so you may be forgiven in thinking that a formal Declaration of War by a sovereign State doesn't mean it's, uh, too late to "talk" any more.

ALLAMERICAN...thats all you got...some spell checks...i will be sure to get on that...hahahaha

ZED....Germany did not have the power to take on the US...everybody knows that....my god you are out there...the US was backing Britian in WWII...follow along i do not want to loose you...Germany was fight Europe.....not the US...only after the US got involved with suppling Britain...and Japans (germany ally)attack on US...did Germany feel the need to declare war...the US could have avoided the war...the only danger US faced from Germany was the supply ship we sent over (were sunk)...other than that Germany was not interested in the US....the US on the other hand was buddy..buddy with europe and had no intentions of backing down...we could have avoided the war in Europe if we wanted to but we did not...tell me the threat US faced from Germany....i know you can not answer that

ZED..its like somilia declaring war...does that mean we should wipe somilia of the map....no we could talk to them and see whats the problem...you want to know why...because somilia does not have the capiblity and niether did germany...prove me wrong...try it...give it a shot

ZED..if you do not have an answer do what ALLAMERICAN does...attack my spelling or something

Germany began sinking U.S. merchant ships very quickly after they declared war on us.

So, you think we should have discussed that with them? Just out of curiosity, would they have to stop U-Boat operations while we had that conversation? Or could we give them a pass?

Hitler's declaration of war against us was a HUGE mistake, but Germany had a fair shot to win WWII until about May, 1943.

"Tell me the threat the U.S. faced from Germany...."

Hmmmm. I imagine you mean, what threat other than a major industrialized nation having declared war on us?




I don't have to attack your spelling. I will attack your knowledge and understanding, especially if you fail to be polite to me.

well the reason Germany was sinking ship because they contained the material to wage war on Germany...lend lease act.....but Germany did not have the capiblity...the standing navy of Germany was 1 battle ship.. a few destroyers and subs (subs made the bulk of the navy)...it was more for defensive than offensive navy...sub warfare played off WWI...which again the US supplied France and Britain with war materials to fight Germany...the US could have avoided WWI (trench warfare...machine gun nest and chemical warfare)...we could have stopped the whole thing with Germany if we just had stopped suppling Britian....we threatened Germany way more than Germany threatened US...and yes it could have stopped

being industralised is not a threat...you are seeing potential threat...like the potentail threat of WMDs

The "standing German Navy" contained at least two battleships I'm aware of: Bismarck and Tirpitz.

"It was far more a defensive than offensive Navy...."

U-Boats are defensive? OK.

It's weird arguing with someone who appears to think Nazi Germany was the rational actor in WWII.

ZED...try taking a country with subs....subs are only good for amphibous warfare..they pose little threat to mainland US....we had planes that spotted these subs and sunk them off the coast of US....where is the threat Germany imposed

ZED...i hope you do not think some tin can subs were the force to take down the US...the only way German subs were even close to effective is when they hunted in Wolf Packs...other than that...their lone ranger patrols were not effective in stopping the flow of war material bound for Britian

ZED...where is the threat Germany imposed???? hard to find one huh???

subs are only good for amphibous warfare.

Submarines have two roles.

Attack shipping and surface warships.

Hunt other submarines.

Amphibious warfare involves surface ships (like an LST -- Go Gators), landing craft, and Marines with a complement of UDT/Seals for clearing a landing zone and sabotage.

"Submarines have two roles.

Attack shipping and surface warships.

Hunt other submarines."

Posted by MikeSiesel



What are boomers?
Chopped liver?

"ZED...where is the threat Germany imposed"

The United States was completely unprepared for the U-boat war that was about to descend on it...The result was a slaughter. The U-boat commanders called it Operation Drumbeat -- Paukenschlag -- and very little was available to stop them...The destruction was greater than that at Pearl Harbor, and despite the secrecy of the losses, the American people began to accept that they would have to fight Germany as well. The war right offshore could not be hidden completely form the public.

Source
So much for "no threat."

Hans

my bust...your right MIKE...what i ment was Surface Warfare

subs have a tend to hit and run...engagements are not long.... attacking the enemy also gives away the subs position.... subs are not fast...and usually fall victim to planes if spotted..its not an effective way to fight on the offensive

HANS...because people feel Germany was a threat does not mean they had the capability...WWII tin can subs are not a threat to US...im not talking potential threat....WMDs were a potential threat

"They (subs) pose little threat to mainland US..."

I don't think you have the concepts needed to debate here. If naval forces can't affect what happens on land, not much use having them.

"Where is the threat Germany imposed...?"

Read up on the German U-Boat campaign Hans references and get back to us.

I'm not sure this is a serious discussion. Tell me, would you even concede Germany and Imperial Japan working together posed a threat to us?

"WWII tin can subs not a threat to the US...Potential threat...."

I'm really confused. You DO know these things were used very effectively against us in a real war?

HANS..here we go again...Germany subs attacked ships carrying lend lease supplies sent to Britain....meaning war materials used to fight Germany...the US posed more of a threat to Germany than Germany posed to the US....prove me wrong

"It's not an effective way to fight on the offensive...."

Ye gods.

"...because people feel Germany was a threat does not mean they had the capability..."

Capability is secondary.

One nation-state declaring war against another is the point.

"im not talking potential threat"

A declaration of war between nation-states is not "potential."

"WMDs were a potential threat"

I thought you weren't talking about potential threats.

Hans

My dear Judas....Those German boats were attacking a nation they were AT WAR with, namely us. Lend Lease had what to do with anything after 12/11/41?

ZEd...they were used against war supplies...being sent to Britain...do you think Germany will allow war supplies to go to Britian without being sunk...Germany was at war with Europe...attacking shipments of war supplies has nothing to do with Germany being a threat to US

HANS...so if somilia declares war we should bomb them into the ground...even if the do not have the capibility???

".......prove me wrong"

Okay:

On August 2, 1939, just before the beginning of World War II, Albert Einstein wrote to then President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Einstein and several other scientists told Roosevelt of efforts in Nazi Germany to purify uranium-235, which could be used to build an atomic bomb.
Hans

"...so if somilia declares war we should bomb them into the ground..."

Somalia (the correct spelling) has no real national government.

Hard for a non-entity to declare war against a country.

Hans

so because of Uboats sinking war supply ships going to a britain to fight the Germans....poses a threat to US

"...poses a threat to US"

Irrelevant.

Germany declared war against the United States.

The United States declared war against Germany.

Hans

HANS...fuck off leave me alone...you are twisting the subject and saying every little...im not playing a word game with you

HANS..On August 2, 1939, just before the beginning of World War II, Albert Einstein wrote to then President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Einstein and several other scientists told Roosevelt of efforts in Nazi Germany to purify uranium-235, which could be used to build an atomic bomb


if you want to talk about potential threats...then our attack on Iraq is justified...and so will our attack on Iran

Italy was a threat too right

"HANS...fuck off leave me alone..."

What an "impressive" debating technique.

Impressive.

"if you want to talk about potential threats..."

Wasn't talking about "potential" threats. Look at the words:

Einstein and several other scientists told Roosevelt of efforts in Nazi Germany to purify uranium-235, which could be used to build an atomic bomb...
Words have meaning.

Hans

as it stands...potential threats are a reason to go to war...Israel can attack Iran....we can attack NK..so on and so on

iraq is a justifed war becuase they were a potential threat to the US

"iraq is a justifed war becuase they were a potential threat to the US"

When did Iraq declare war against the United States?

(This should be interesting. Am I in for another "HANS...fuck off leave me alone..."?)

Hans

so let me get this right...WWII did not happen because our allies were threatened...we fought Germany because of the potential the subs had in defeating the US

why does declaring war mean you have to fight...where does it say in the history of war you have to fight????

"so let me get this right..."

Apparently not.

Hans

i thought wars were only for last resort???

"why does declaring war mean you have to fight..."

Apparently, "judas" wishes the USA had surrendered to Germany (and Japan and Italy) sometime around mid-December, 1941...without firing a shot in defense.

Hans

"i thought ..."

Could have fooled us.

Hans

HANS...you are talking about a 1939 report saying Germany was a threat to the US...and you critise me...1939 Germany did not even declare war yet..nor were their subs engaged with any of our ships...like i said potetial threat

HANS... where does it say in warfare you have to attack a country if it declares war on you...that sounds more of an option

"HANS...you are talking about a 1939 report saying Germany was a threat to the US..."

Apparently, you have reading comprehension problems.

As such, I will try one more time:

Einstein and several other scientists told Roosevelt of efforts in Nazi Germany to purify uranium-235, which could be used to build an atomic bomb...
You're welcome.

Hans

"HANS... where does it say in warfare you have to attack a country if it declares war on you...that sounds more of an option"

What a quaint notion.

I'm sensing a future career for you...



... in advertising.

Hans

HANS...you mean this...On August 2, 1939, just before the beginning of World War II, Albert Einstein wrote to then President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Einstein and several other scientists told Roosevelt of efforts in Nazi Germany to purify uranium-235, which could be used to build an atomic bomb

The Einstein letters:

hypertextbook.com

"HANS...you mean this..."

Impressive.

And they said you were dense.

Hans

Judas doesn't know what a State of War means.

"Judas doesn't know what a State of War means."

Yeah... a subtle nuance like State of War.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!

Hans

HANS...if you want to be another typlical warmonger democrat thats fine...history will prove the democrats are the biggest warmonger on this planet...the dems have every chance to make peace with Italy and Germany...but instead they chose war...they had slaughter more americans in the first day in Europe than the whole Iraq war...all becasue they could not talk to these countries....the same is proven through out history of war in america

vietnam...the dems were in office ...but because a boat was shot at..50,000 soilders had to pay the price..because a warmonger dem could not have it any other way

Korea...the warmonger dems were in office again...and because korea wanted to unite its country..the dems decided not to let them do it peacefully...insead they had to have thousands upon thousands american deaths before there was even a cease fire


WWI...a Euorpean war erupts...a dem in office tries to run to the rescue of Europe...instead of bring peace to europe America brought a brutal war..which cost hunreds of thousands


each time a warmongering dem is in office...hundreds of thousands of americans die

all these wars could have been avoided...except the war with Japan and Afganistan...but the Dems chose to slaughter america in way of Ghenghis Khan could never do

Judas-
re:"the dems have every chance to make peace with Italy and Germany...but instead they chose war.."

Thanks for including that little note of ahistorical idiocy in your first "paragraph". It saved me the trouble of reading further.

if we focused all our energy on fighting Japan instead going off to fight another war that had nothing to do with peral harbor...then maybe i could understand...but the dems and their warmonger ways had to help out Europe...and bring us into a war that should not have been..we lost alot of people for Europe

BOYD...im sure you can explain why dems are such warmongers

Judas-
You don't know what you're talking about.

news.bbc.co.uk

you know the DEMS need to drop the Ass and adopt Yosemite Sam as their mascot

BOYD..like i said..Japan attacked us....Europe was fighting Germany and Italy...and the US was suppling the arm to fight them...how can it be Germany and Italy fault that the US supplies the fight...i bet you if the US was not involved then Germany and Italy would have never declared war...we were isolationist at that time.....but America had to be in the Euopean war so bad that we supplied it...and to Germany and italy who just wanted to conquer Europe....saw that America was a threat after the supplied britian with war materials

the article speak volumes....under the Tripartite Agreement signed on 27 September 1940, Germany was obliged to join with Italy to defend its ally Japan.


we never tries to talk to them...becasue a warmonger DEM wanted to fight in Europe...declaring war does not mean you have to fight...i have never seen a rule that said you have to fight...war should be for last resort...last resort

Judas-
Who are you reading? Goebbels?

but read though out history and DEMS wanting to fight the world...hell look at who was in office in WWI...WWII...Korea...Vietnam..
.look at the americans lost...all these wars could have been stopped...but its easier for a warmongering dem to wage war than to speak to the countries leaders...there was no effort made at all by the DEMS to bring peace

is it worth 50,000 live because a boat got shot at??? how about WWI...what did that have to do with America...nothing...it was about Europe...same with WWII except Japan

BOYD...lets look at it from the other side of the coin (fiction)...if we knew that Iran was suppling the war in Iraq....i mean tanks trucks... artillery...money...food and weapons...you can not hide the fact that Iran was really suppling Iraq...would it be ok to attack the supplies...hell what about the country

Americas actions after pearl harbor were emotional...and the war in Europe made them worse....even though American policy up that point was to supply the war in Europe (isolationsim)...Germany was just as emotional in its response to pearl harbor...because the US was funding the fight in Europe...of course it would declare war because the action of Japan...but that was because his ally had enough...not that Germany ever intended to fight America or conqure America...just look at it like this....how on Earth can Germany occupy America...even if they had nukes (i doubt it would ever get that far)....it barley occupied Europe....threat my ass

Judas-
I was actually thinking of responding to your posts in an almost serious way, but you're really waaaaay delusional:

"...how on Earth can Germany occupy America...even if they had nukes (i doubt it would ever get that far)....it barley occupied Europe....threat my ass...

Yeah. Germany and the Axis powers were no threat. gotcha. We could have just fought Japan, even after Germany declared war on us as it was marching across Europe. Righto.

Judas-
re: "how can it be Germany and Italy fault that the US supplies the fight...i bet you if the US was not involved then Germany and Italy would have never declared war.."

What's your game, dude? Why the odd defence of the Nazi's?

BOYD..my point proven...you are more worried about Germany marching across Europe than ...Germany attacking America...so what if they were fighting Europe....we were suppling it...hey at least admitt we were suppling Europe during THEIR war with Germany

Judas-
Germany was conquering Europe, and its ally, Japan, nearly took out our entire Pacific fleet. Germany declared war on us. I see no point made when I "admitt" that the US was attempting to stop the Nazi conquest of Europe. You're really way past the nutville line on this one.

BOYD...what does Germany conquering Eruope have to do with the US

Boyd- I already tried to reason with him on the WWII analogy.

Wastin your time.

Judas-
re: BOYD...what does Germany conquering Eruope have to do with the US

Posted by judas at 2007-05-12 01:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nothing, of course, Judas. Too bad the evil "Dems" were so intent on antagonizing Germany that they didn't see that. ???

I N COGNITO-
Yeah, I'm gettin' that.

(Do you think it's an obsession with Democrats, a fetish for the Third Reich, an aloof and sadistic father...some combination of those or other elements?)

NO BOYD...you let your politics blind you...thats what you understand the most....if you understand war you would know what im talking about....just like how this article was titled marine pisses on iraqi...yea like that stuff does not happen in war...my title if you read the thread "utopian war" everybody wants a clean war...YOU...SPUD...ZED...I N CON...have no clue what war is....what is justified threat and what is a potential threat is...the same type of war conduted by a DEM in the past is being critical of the same war happening now...yet when you look at Democrats have lost more lives for most worthless causes than any Republican war combined...im for good character when i vote in elections....yet im critical of what the DEMS say about the REPUBS in the war in Iraq and Afganistan...go head say what you want but you can not hide fron history

War IS hell, that's why it should be a last resort. Iraq wasn't.

End of line.

its hard to say a war is lost ...when this war has gone pretty far without a draft

It's now a Guerrila war. We have a poor track record on those.

RIGHT INCOG.....War IS hell, that's why it should be a last resort. Iraq wasn't.

End of line.

neither was ...ITALY...GERMANY...KOREA...V
IETNAM..they lost more lives than Iraq...why not the same upset in history????

INCOG... We have a poor track record on those....Thanks for throwning in the flag

Judas-
What do I say in your world? What do I look like? ('cause you don't seem to be able to respond to anything I actually state in this reality)

Judas-
So...um....you're a Bush supporter who thinks that Hitler got the shaft from the "warmonger" FDR....

...am I too far off?

"BOYD..like i said..Japan attacked us...."

Technically, Japan didn't attack "us" on December 7, 1941.

Hawaii didn't join the union until 1959.

Hans

"...you're a Bush supporter who thinks that Hitler got the shaft from the "warmonger" FDR...."

Nailed it, Boyd.

Hans

"BOYD...what does Germany conquering Eruope have to do with the US"

FF?

Or SASF?

Hans

HANS...YOUR RIGHT...WWII was a caused by a WARMONGER DEMOCRAT....

Hans-
They hit our fleet with the intent to cripple us and neuter our response to the global war waged by the Axis. My bad.

NO BOYD...you are just blind by your politics

"if you understand war you would know what im talking about...."

Apparently, she doesn't know what she's talking about.

"...have no clue what war is...."

Nor does she have a clue what war is all about.

Hans

NO BOYD...how was Germany a threat..you are talking about JAPAN

HANS..thats why you are lost about the war in Iraq

Later.

"They hit our fleet with the intent to cripple us and neuter our response to the global war waged by the Axis."

Exactly, Boyd.

"My bad."

Yeah! ...what does Germany conquering Europe, er, I mean, what does Japan conquering the Pacific have to do with the US?

What are you, a warmongering Democrat?

Hans

"HANS..thats why you are lost about the war in Iraq."

Thank goodness for Mapquest.com:

Starting address: USA
Ending address: Quagmire
Click here for a convenient download to your PDA or SmartPhone
Hans

HANS.... can you read...or do you just attack like BOYD...i said my peace at 2:05 am..but like a typlical DEM you attack...thank god this not a war...or should i say thank science...you guys are a bunch of blogmongers...attack...attack.
..just history of DEMS

"you guys are a bunch of blogmongers..."

The above comment was posted on...

...a blog.

Makes you think.

Hans

HANS...wait you are right..here i said right ...now you can jerk off knowing you said something right tonight...take two judas....BLOGWARMONGERS

or take three LEFTWINGBLOGWARMONGERS

"...attack...attack.
..just history of DEMS"


Followed by:

"...now you can jerk off..."

You can't make this shit up.

They willingly volunteer it.

Hans, Blogmonger

HANS....They willingly volunteer it.


and you JERK OFF to it

or take three LEFTWINGBLOGWARMONGERS

Posted by
judass at 2007-05-12 03:26 AM

HANS...3:29am to #:31 am is a QUICK JERK OFF

"...attack...attack.
..just history of DEMS"


Followed by:

"and you JERK OFF to it"

You can't make this shit up.

They willingly volunteer it.

Hans, LeftWingBlogWarMonger

HANS...all you have to do is prove that DEMS do not kill as many as REPUBS in acts of war...or prove that Dems are more justified in their war than Repubs

"HANS...3:29am to #:31 am"

I've heard of the Eastern Time Zone.

I've heard of the Pacific Time Zone.

I've heard of Coordinated Universal Time.

But what is #:31 am?

I'm guessing, the Twilight Zone.

Hans, LeftWingBlogWarMonger

"HANS...all you have to do is prove ..."

No, I don't.

Hans, LeftWingBlogWarMonger

HANS...are you willing to respond

HANS... YOU PROVED YOUR POINT AND I PROVED MINE....REMEMBER POLITCS WHEN YOU MOUTH OUT ABOUT WAR...OR YOUR PARTIES PAST MIGHT HAUNT YOU....VICTORY FOR THE US GOES PAST THE NATION...IT DIRECTLY EFFECTS THE TROOPS...LET THE TROOPS LIVE IN PEACE KNOWING THAT THE SACRIFICE WAS WORTH THE FIGHT

"HANS...all you have to do is prove ..."

That does, however, raise an interesting question.

Question: Under which American president were the most American soldiers killed in war?

Answer: Abraham Lincoln, Republican
Hans, LeftWingBlogWarMonger

"HANS... YOU PROVED YOUR POINT..."

I always do.

No need to shout about it, however.

"...AND I PROVED MINE...."

There's that Twilight Zone thing again.

Hans, LeftWingBlogWarMonger

SORRY HANS ...YOU ARE EMOTIONAL GUY....PLEASE DO NOT CRY....YOUR LAST POSTS ONLY COME OUT AS POUTS...I HOPE THERE NO TEARS COME OUT

"SORRY HANS ..."

Yes, you are.

But, again, no need to SHOUT about it.

Hans, LeftWingBlogWarMonger

good night...wipe the tears from your eyes...your mommy will comfort you soon

"good night..."

Yes, it is.

Hans, LeftWingBlogWarMonger

Who gives a shit? The only reason this is NEWS is that it follows the left wing anti military,hate Bush, agenda which is being played out by all you lying bastards who could care less about our troops and play politics with this war. I cant wait to hear from the Experts here in blog world as they continue to spout more bs about war,something most of which havent a clue.

The"civilian" in question probably helped plant the bomb that set off the ambush. I guess theres no way to be sure.

"The"civilian" in question probably helped plant the bomb that set off the ambush. I guess theres no way to be sure."

That's right. Which, for reasonable, rationale human beings should cause some hesitation in pulling the trigger. It's the people with whom you appear to have much in common, the ones who don't see it that way, who create the horrors of My Lai, Haditha, etc.

"Hans, LeftWingBlogWarMonger"

LOL

Well...Good Morning!

Having a little fun I see!!

I see Judas is still blaming the Allies for WWII.

Hesitation in combat can get you killed,Doc.You have a guy in this case made a deal to turn in his buddies.I wonder how many rounds he fired? If they killed innocent "civilians", say hands up unarmed, I surrender, they should be strung up.The problem is you cant tell who is the good and who is the threat.Lets see how due process works in this case.How many combat patrols have you been on Doc? How many times have you had to decide to shoot or not? My Lai and Haditha are extreme exceptions not the rule. Of course that isnt reported here because it doesnt fit the Drudge pro Terrorist agenda.

"Pro-terrorist agenda...."

You're speaking with a group of people that spent the night defending FDR as better than Hitler.

"Having a little fun I see!!"

I sure did have fun, Lisa! ;0)

"I see Judas is still blaming the Allies for WWII."

Yeah, Zed, but I think what completely threw her off was when she asked this...

"HANS...all you have to do is prove that DEMS do not kill as many as REPUBS in acts of war..."
...and I replied with Abraham Lincoln.

She wasn't expecting that (all too) obvious response. Especially after she went on and on about so-called "Dem" (or, in her case, "DEM") warmongers.

;0)

Hans, LeftWingBlogWarMonger

"Of course that isnt reported here because it doesnt fit the Drudge pro Terrorist agenda."

You know, I always suspected that about
Matt Drudge.

Hans, LeftWingBlogWarMonger

"the left wing anti military...agenda"

The "left wing" had nothing to do with poorly equipped soldiers ("You go to war with the Army you have..."), or the deplorable conditions at Walter Reed.

That was all part of the right wing anti-military agenda.

Hans, LeftWingBlogWarMonger

DRUDGE RETORT, not Drudge Report. After the Klintons cut the military things there went to shit. Thats why so many senior people took early retirement after Gulf one.

"DRUDGE RETORT"

Yes, this is the Drudge Retort.

You're just now discovering that?

Wow! Talk about slow!

"Thats why so many senior people took early retirement after Gulf one."

Gulf One?

That was Bush 41.

Hans, LeftWingBlogWarMonger

"After the Klintons cut the military ..."

Apparently, you missed out on the whole fall of the Soviet Union thing. You know, the "peace dividend."

But then again, you seem kind of slow, so I guess this is to be expected.

Hans, LeftWingBlogWarMonger

"After the Clintons cut the military..."

If anyone had known fifteen years ago we would be occupying multiple Arab states indefinitely, we could have planned better.

As we speak, George Bush is evading the kind of force structure he needs to successfully fight his own wars.

Madness.

Hans
It's not fair to tease the mentally retarded.
But it is fun.
Keep going, I'm laughing.
Seen any Iraqi oil money?

"If anyone had known fifteen years ago"

If the US had kicked it's oil addiction in the 70's ....................

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
The US elected Reagan,
like the pack of morons it is.

"Seen any Iraqi oil money?"

Interesting you should ask that, Data.

Seems that there's this military person, a
Sgt. James Clayton, who needs some assistance in that very area.

If you contact him be sure to let us know how it works out.

Hans, LeftWingBlogWarMonger

"But what is #:31?"

POUND THIRTY ONE

Sounds like fun.

Can we start with Wolfie?

Hans
That was a Bani post.
It is therefore suspect.
Have you seen this horse?

beboframe.com

Hans, LeftWingBlogWarMonger

Guess we'll have to throw a coming out party for Hansie.

"It is therefore suspect."

It is?

Damn!

Consider my faith in humanity thoroughly destroyed.

Hans, LeftWingBlogWarMonger

"After the Clintons cut the military..."

President Bush had already said publicly that the proposed FY 1990 Defense budget of more than $300 billion had to be cut immediately by $6.3 billion, and soon after Cheney began work the president increased the amount to $10 billion.[citation needed] Cheney recognized the necessity of cutting the budget and downsizing the military establishment, but he favored a cautious approach.

en.wikipedia.org

Who downsized the military?

Hahahaha

"Damn!"

Hans!
Such language!

Next you'll be posting
shit, fuck, cigarette and nigger.

"Hahahaha"

Posted by MikeSiesel

It's not fair to contradict dittoheads with reality. They lose every time.

It's interesting that some of these blogs are apparently influential to make national news from time to time.

One of the conservative ones vows revenge on any future liberal president if he happens to be "stuck with a war", the way Bush is.

Laugh or cry. Damned if I know. Poor haples George Bush, wandering through life, getting his innoccent little hands stuck in stuff.

Send him to Iraq after he retires. After all, he's making sure the war will continue until then. Give him a uniform and, I don't know---How about making him look at Iraqi IDs at traffic checkpoints?

How about your faith in horses, Hans?

The more I know people,
The more I like horses.

"How about your faith in horses, Hans?"

An impressive show, Data.

Hans, LeftWingBlogWarMonger

"...because it doesnt fit the Drudge pro Terrorist agenda.
Posted by controlledpairs at 2007-05-12 09:14 AM"

There is nothing anyone who posts here can possibly have done in the past four years to help achieve the pro-terrorist agenda (I assume you're talking about Osama Bin Who) more than Bush and his gang of thugs do to help it along each hour of every day.

That mare was having a blast.
Horses are such show-offs.

the only reason you DEMOCRATS are upset...is because you did not start the war in Iraq and Afganistan....you are pissed that you can not bath in the blood of another war...thats why you curse the Republicans everyday....do worry your worthless war of the past spilled more blood than a 100,000 Iraqi wars

"DEMOCRATS are upset...is because you did not start the war in Iraq and Afganistan...."

Afghanistan I can understand. Although it seems to have gone FUBAR when Bush decided he didn't have enough war, didn't have nearly enough on his plate in trying to deal with the people who actually attacked us on 9/11, and decided to attack a country that had nothing to do with that.

"you are pissed that you can not bath in the blood of another war"

What's a war bath, Judas?

"do worry your worthless war of the past spilled more blood than a 100,000 Iraqi wars"

That would be, what, about 340 million US KIA?

Judas, what WTF are you blathering on about?

its funny that Democrats think they never started a needless war....i pointed out many wars that the dems started were needless....ignore the past...make excusses ....but the fact of the matter is that dems started more wars and shed more blood for worthless causes...than any Republican

It may be worthwhile to consider Judas a monkey with a typewriter.

"....i pointed out many wars that the dems started were needless...."

No, you didn't.

But that's beside the point.

"It may be worthwhile to consider Judas a monkey with a typewriter."

That is the point.

Well spoken, Zed!

Hans, LeftWingBlogWarMonger

HANS...becuse you choose to cherry pick my post...you might have missed it....click on my name and read...then come back...ask me any question you want about my post....i will answer them....you can not hide the fact theat WWI...WWII...korea and vietnam were started by democrats

"It may be worthwhile to consider Judas a monkey with a typewriter.

Posted by Zed"

Ah, yes, the Infinite Monkey Theorem at work yet again.

Judas, wiht WW1, the US responded to Germany's unrestricted submarine warfare, which, at that time, was considered an act of war. In WW2, Japan, Germany, and Italy declared war on the US. In Korea, the N Koreans attacked S Korea, and US troops. In Vietnam, the US was already in before JFK and LBJ. What ever are you talking about? (I don't know why I waste my breath on this.) And, please, do not assume that everyone on the DR has been carefully tracking down, reading, and archiving your posts.

Oh, and Judas, while you're at it,plesae deal with the 340 US KIA figure that stems from "your worthless war of the past spilled more blood than a 100,000 Iraqi wars." Thanks.

If memory serves, the korean War was begun by the North Koreans attacking South Korea and the U.S. 8th Army.

Simian typewriters.

"you can not hide the fact theat WWI...WWII...korea and vietnam were started by democrats"

Oops:

The explosive that was World War One had been long in the stockpiling; the spark was the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne, in Sarajevo on 28 June 1914.
Oops:
On September 1, the beginning of the German attack, Great Britain and France sent Hitler an ultimatum - withdraw German forces from Poland or Great Britain and France would go to war against Germany.

On September 3, with Germany's forces penetrating deeper into Poland, Great Britain and France both declared war on Germany.

World War II had begun.
Oops:
On June 25, 1950, the Korean War begins when North Korean troops invade South Korea...
And, oops:
1954 The Vietnam War begins shortly after Vietnam is divided into communist North Vietnam and non-communist South Vietnam.
What was that again, something about "started by Democrats"?

"Ah, yes, the Infinite Monkey Theorem at work yet again."

Doc, that can be the only explanation.

Hans

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