U.S. intelligence agencies have reached an alarming conclusion: Bin Laden already has a safe haven-in Pakistan-and may be stronger than ever.

Ummmm....how many billions to come to that conclusion?

I think they need to read the DR more and the funnies less.

Funnies, n Neo-con, echo chamber, newsitainment media.

who?

i don't really think about him all that much.

Mission accomplished.

Bush couldn't have given Bin Laden a greater recruiting tool than invading Iraq preemptively. A first for America. Unprovoked, unfounded, and unwinnable in the traditional military sense.

But keeping all our available combat troops in Iraq will keep Al Queida bottled up in the tribal regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan...

No, wait, that doesn't make sense.

Patrolling Baghdad keeps Al Queida from flying to the US from anywhere in the world and comitting terrorists acts...

No, that's not right.

Every one of our soldiers who is killed by Iraqi Shiite Fundametalists dies a hero in our war against Sunni Al Queida Terrorists...

Wait, wait, I'm sure I can figure this out.

We're fighting the wrong war in the wrong country against the wrong enemy.

Shit.

Of course Al-Queda is stronger. Our President let their leader go after he'd killed 3000 Americans, global terrorism has been ignored as we fixate on Iraq and our President is bosom buddies with the Saudis.

What more could you ask for if you're Al-Queda? The President of the United States is basically their ally.

yeth thur, George-Porgie-Punkin-Pie has a lot of friends !

AND he winkied at the Queen !

BushCo has lost the political battle with al Qaeda by acting as evil as their enemy.

"When the current head of DIA, Lt. Gen. Michael Maples, visited Capitol Hill this year, he warned that the group's leaders are resilient and are actively plotting from their new base in Pakistan. "Al Qaeda retains the ability to organize complex, mass-casualty attacks and inspire others," Maples said. "Al Qaeda has consistently recovered from losses of senior leadership.""

Remind Spud to bring this up the next time one of those "We captured AQs #2 guy" articles comes up.

AQ stronger than ever?

No Shit Sherlock welcome to planet Earth.

They were dying after 9/11 and the campaign to take the Taliban out of power in Afghanistan and now where are they?

Bin Laden looks like a freaking Prophet fer calling this Iraq invasion!

Since being allowed to flee into the supposedly lawless tribal regions of Pakistan where GWB dare not tread fer some reason the AQ has grown is numbers.

Numbers in terms of financial support.

Numbers of sympathisers in the ME.

Numbers of actual cells.

Some C&C'd from Pakistan, others more loosely affiliated.

As it becomes clearer that the sectarian violence in Iraq is being directed from within the Malaki government the Shia minority increasingly ally with AQ in Iraq.

This report only goes to support wot many on this board have been saying for a while now.

Some days Spud hates being right.
This would be one of those days.

Now wot?

If America gets outta Iraq quick enuff there is still a chance (with a three state solution with Baghdad becoming the "Berlin" of Iraq) that the Iraqis can unite and kick the AQ bastards outta the country by their own hands.

The longer the occupation continues the less likely this is to happen.

Spud's two cents.

Be Well.

PS: Since ya got troops in the area anyway why not send a few to visit these supposed "lawless" sections of Pakistan and look fer six foot tall assholes?
Spud does not support expanding the war into Iran.

...But Pakistan is good to go as far as Spud sees it.

Just a thought.

Iama bun sucker--must die--make him roadkill

BushCo has lost the political battle with al Qaeda by acting as evil as their enemy.


Hardly.


First off, the battle is far from over, despite "Bushco's" countless f-ups.

Secondly, only a moral relativist could make such a claim.

this story is classic liberal reporting.. it's fear mongering cooked with distortions of the truth. the fact is, we are tearing down al qaeda, day by day they grow weaker. top lieutenants in the al qaeda organization have been killed just recently and their financial network has been disrupted by our unrelenting efforts.

don't buy into the lib media bullshit.

Terrorism can only occur in poverty. The longer we hesitate in moving away from gas, the more likely money will fuel Al Qaeda in high poverty areas

Harrier cuts to the chase...

"Terrorism can only occur in poverty"

Strewth!

"No justice No peace" include economic justice that this world sadly lacks.

The reasons for that injustice are myriad and seemingly intractable but it's important to note the wealth inequality has increased pretty much everywhere.

Things are getting worse not better.

That trend cannot continue indefinitely.

Desperate people commit desperate acts.

Trick is how to eliminate desperation.

Part of the solution is certainly solving the wealth inequality and population control issues.

Tricky stuff.

Not saying it's not worth attempting.

Quite the opposite.

Be Well.

"Terrorism can only occur in poverty"

Bin Laden is rich.




Houston, we have a problem.

Data Bin Laden is RICH Yes but His Followers ain't. How do You think He gets them to follow Him?? He throws Money at them and supports them as well.

Larry

Now THAT'S the Tawdry Rugburns Spud is remember!...

"this story is classic liberal reporting.. it's fear mongering cooked with distortions of the truth. the fact is, we are tearing down al qaeda, day by day they grow weaker. top lieutenants in the al qaeda organization have been killed just recently and their financial network has been disrupted by our unrelenting efforts.

don't buy into the lib media bullshit."

Top lieutenants have been killed.

Money has been interupted.

But homegrown cells use their own money.

And stopping some of the money don't mean stopping all of the money.

There may be C&C'd terror cells in place in the US awaiting "the word".

As long as the US occupies Iraq dissent will incresingly fomment until the inevitable happens and then the papers will frame the incident in a "We can't leave NOW!" context.

Just a hunch.

Hre's the thing...

Spud don't believe in fearmongering.

Spud also don't believe in standing in a tunnel with a train coming at Spud and continuing to insist it's really "a light at the end of a tunnel".

That way lies madness.

Spud knows that way.

Not a good way.

Be Well.

PS: There are liberals in the media but there is no "Liberal Media" per se.

There are FOX the propaganda wing of the GOP.

Then there's corporate MSM.

Designed to soothe, placate, entertain, titilate, gossip, oversimplify, sell soap, and... oh yeah under-inform and set the parameters of the debate and take national focus off of the essential onto the mundane, petty and trivial when not spoon feeding well regurgitated pablum to a nation who's prolly watching Idol anyway.

Oh yeah, there's blogworld too but who pays attention to that?

:^)

Larry

Poverty is not the reason for Bin Laden's point of view.

Agreed?

Or do you want my vote?

I'm serious.
I'll write it in.

Data misses the boat. I didn't say that was Bin Ladens POV That is how He lures His Followers to do His bidding. You know if I wanted X done and needed people to get X done I would coerse them anyway I could think of. In this case Bin Laden uses their poverty to rally them up to do what He wants them to do. He tells them if You go and join My organization You will gain great wealth for You and Yours and You won't have to live in poverty any longer cause I will take good care of You and see to Your needs. It's the proverbial snake oil salesman approach. Sell them on what they want/need and You have them.

Larry

PS Yes I would like Your vote come 2008

OK Larry
I'm votin' Larousche Again.

"Sell them on what they want/need and You have them."


Worked for Reagan.

I'm re-thinking that vote thing.

"Terrorism can only occur in poverty"

Data sez..

"Bin Laden is rich.

Houston, we have a problem"

Is true.

Mr Data is spot a flaw in the hypothesis.

Good eye Mr Data.

A lot of terrorism is sponsored by fatcats.

Guys who send the terorists in the case of Jihadists.

They've made quite an industry of it in the ME with the families of suicide bombers being honored and financially rewrded and such.

Bin Laden was not born into poverty so how come he hates the west adn isn't out walking in the rose garden holding hands with Dumbya?

So how come he came to hate the west so much as to want to kill it.

First off let's get one thing straight off the bat in terms of social inequalities.

That reality has certainly caused enuff civil unrest to start enuff shit in the course of human history that to deny it as a factor is absurd.

Secondly, the idea of directed or financed long term terrorism with goals is not an unkown quantity here.

Bin Laden himself was a paid terrorist before he bacame a financier and alleged "mastermind".

When the repressive regime in Afghanistan was taken in a coup by lefty leaning soviet huggin' PDPA forces it was deemed a threat.

Their ambitious land reform ideas upset the local mullahs and semi-fuedal warlord.

Enter the Taliban and one Mr Osama Bin Laden.

Between 1978 and 1992, the US government poured at least US$6 billion (some estimates range as high as $20 billion) worth of arms, training and funds to prop up the mujaheddin factions. Other Western governments, as well as oil-rich Saudi Arabia, kicked in as much again. Wealthy Arab fanatics, like Osama bin Laden, provided millions more.

Osama bin Laden, one of 20 sons of a billionaire construction magnate, arrived in Afghanistan to join the jihad in 1980. An austere religious fanatic and business tycoon, bin Laden specialized in recruiting, financing and training the estimated 35,000 non-Afghan mercenaries who joined the mujaheddin.

The bin Laden family is a prominent pillar of the Saudi Arabian ruling class, with close personal, financial and political ties to that country's pro-US royal family

AQ, (not the only anti-Western terrorist group out there, btw) can only entrench further in Iraq if the US don't pull out w/i a year or two.

Maybe a little longer.

The fact that building continues apace on the massive embassy and the 14 permanent bases indicates that the MIC is convinced the American public can be cajoled into further supporting the war effort beyond the Dems projection as stated right now.

Happy people don't wanna strap bombs on themselves and blow themselves up.

Desperate people do that.

Angry people do that.

Religious zealots do that.

Stability equals less of all of the above.

Occupation aint the answer there.

Be Well.

EUREKA!!

Not poverty, desperation.

OTOH, if you're stupid enough to imagine that you can be immortal by performing certain acts...........





We are stardust. Literally.
I find that vastly more interesting than who has the better imaginary friend.

"Maybe a little longer."


It ain't the meat,
It's the motion.

"Some folk watch Idol."

Never even occurred to me.




"And to you I will put an end
And you'll never hear surf music
again"

-Hendrix

"this story is classic liberal reporting.. it's fear mongering cooked with distortions of the truth"

Audrey, in case you missed it, fear mongering and distortions of the truth are conservative principles.

Heck of a job, Shrubie.

BushCo has lost the political battle with al Qaeda by acting as evil as their enemy.


Hardly.


First off, the battle is far from over, despite "Bushco's" countless f-ups.

Secondly, only a moral relativist could make such a claim.


Posted by JeffJ



no moral relativismi is equating SH and Iraq with 9/11

That is correct, Truth.

No serious attempt to do so has been made.


Also, even if that were the case, that's not moral relativism.

A moral man who had mismanaged America's resources in the war with Al Quaeda so badly would, at least, have the decency to resign and let someone else take over and try to improve the situation. Republicans here will object but they offer no plan, nothing but failure and in this war we simply cannot afford even 18 more months of failure.
Perhaps a promise of a pardon from whichever Democrat is elected in 08 would induce Bush/Cheney to do the right thing. Maybe they would demand money to insure their retirement in the UAE or Paraguay. They simply won't be welcome anywhere in America. For their own safety they should scram. Let them take their stolen billions, forgive them for their murderous reign, just get them out of America. Oh, and all the Bush family needs to go to. We want no more of their "devious ways" of ignoring the Constitution, breaking our laws, stealing our tax dollars.
Now...their crony freinds would be a different story. When we get our hands on the classified proof of their corruption they should be prosecuted and punished no matter how rich and powerful they are. All of their assets should be confiscated. They should perhaps be offered the choice: stay here and face the music or relocate to Baghdad.

"EUREKA!!

Not poverty, desperation"

"OTOH, if you're stupid enough to imagine that you can be immortal by performing certain acts..........."

... it certainly helps

Spud gets that.

On any side of the fence.

No OTOH about it...

Spud sed...

"Desperate people do that.

Angry people do that.

Religious zealots do that."

Poverty = Desperation.

Unjust War = Anger

"not so smart bombs" = Religious Zealouts (not a typo).

P + UW + NSSB = D + A + RZ

Either side of the equation adds up to a rise in pan arab nationalism and global minded extemist Jihadist terrorists.

Spud's "done the Math"

And no, Spud didn't use Verns Calculator.

This is all covered in "Dethspud's Iraqi Peace Plan", ya know.

Continued projection of hard power in Iraq that leaving Afghanistan largely sliding into chaos is counter-productive in the vey real battle against the rise of extremist whack jobs and the ultimate long term goal of this "clash of civilisations".

Spud's been thinking.

Be Well.

""Coulter says poll showing Obama leading could help al-Qaida""

Oh, but she's really a comedian.
Those Al Quaeda jokes are hilarious.
Coulter would say anything to get attention. She isn't a comedian, she isn't a legitimate pundit. She is just a lucky bitch who caught the eye of the right wing nutjobs. She ought to be forced to date within her sphere of like minded people. Knuckledraggers need dates too.

Continued projection of hard power in Iraq that leaving Afghanistan largely sliding into chaos is counter-productive in the vey real battle against the rise of extremist whack jobs and the ultimate long term goal of this "clash of civilisations".

Spud's been thinking.


Yeah, you're right. These guys are too tough. We should just submit right now and embrace Sharia law. I'm sure the women and homosexuals won't mind. Not to mention the Jews, Catholics, Puritans, Lutherans....

I wonder if they'd let Danni remove her burka before being stoned to death for her sexual preference.

Danni,


I hate to break it to you but no Democrat is going to take impeachment beyond the level of lip service, based upon the 'evidence' currently available pointing toward high crimes and misdemeanors.

C'mon, y'all be nice to Danni. I think all this "hatred" she spews has caused her to develop optiorectumitis. That is a condition caused by the optic nerves becoming entangled with the sphincter. She probably notices her anus biting the seat cushion everytime she blinks. You can imagine that's why she doesn't know whether to sh1t or go blind. Explains her sh1tty outlook on life too.

"As the 2008 election campaign continues to heat up, I am sure that there will be informed and incisive criticisms of polls from many observers," he said. Coulter's comments "do not fit into this category," he added.

Ya think?

Spud and Larry have both nailed it here. Poverty and desperation, combined with religious extremism that equates murder with martyrdom, creates a fertile ground for a terrorist culture. Invading Iraq has done nothing to squelch that culture; rather, it has only fed into the false choice that the people are given there - i.e., join al Qaeda or watch your country overrun by The Great Satan.

How can we fight this fight more effectively? As Spud says, it's tricky. Enlightenment of the Muslim masses through education, economic development and a more balanced Middle East policy are steps that the U.S. should focus on, but I'll be the first to admit it won't be easy. Military action must also remain part of the equation, but it must be more shrewdly undertaken than what Bush and his old-school buddies have shown us. Less Iraq, more bin Laden. Less saber-rattling, more solution-seeking.

Some day I hope the left and the right will acknowledge more openly the common ground we share. All but the most foolish among us know that we've got real enemies out there. The only question is how to defeat them in the long haul, rather then strengthen them through Iraq-style misadventures.

As for Ann Coulter, her BS is not worthy of response.

""I wonder if they'd let Danni remove her burka before being stoned to death for her sexual preference.""

So I take it that you must agree with Coulter. Gee a real moderate there Jeff.

""Explains her sh1tty outlook on life too.""

What could you possibly know about my outlook on life except that I don't accept bull shit as a replacement for knowledge and facts. Go back to your Fox TV and find out how Democrats are responsible for everything wrong with the planet. Meanwhile Bush and the REpublican administration will keep on allowing Al Quaeda to strenthen and make America less safe. I didn't make up the story about Al Quaeda getting stronger, no this is a fact presented by American intelligence agencies, so you go ahead and honor the man who made it all possible....GWB. When they hit a major city in the US with an attack I will be here (I hope) to remind you again of who bares responsibility.

I dont believe all of this information as it has been shown time and time again that media wont tell us the whole story. that doesnt mean that I dont think there is some truth in it as alqaida continues to kill americans in iraq.......
but where is the info on all of the banking things that are now blocked and what of the other sorts of ways that terrorists are stopped. it just makes sense that with the media leaving out so much stuff in every story, that this cant be different since it makes bush look bad and that is ALWAYS thier number one priority.
let me say again. this has to be a concern, that is pretty evident but isnt there more to the story than to scare us into defeat.

BLT -
The media, the media, blah blah blah. Nobody needs to scare us into defeat. Bush has that mission accomplished himself. Five years of fighting in Iraq, half a trillion dollars spent, thousands of dead, suicide bombings every day, and what do we have to show for it? Seriously, how are things better? On a personal level I admire what our troops are trying to accomplish, but I see Iraq as a huge misstep that is only hurting America.

Spud and Larry have both nailed it here. Poverty and desperation, combined with religious extremism that equates murder with martyrdom, creates a fertile ground for a terrorist culture.
Did you mean to say:
Religious extremism that equates murder with martyrdom, creates a fertile ground for a terrorist culture which results in poverty and desperation.

I didn't make up the story about Al Quaeda getting stronger, no this is a fact presented by American intelligence agencies,
Are these the same agencies that provided the intel facts for these 'leaders'? Or did Bush 'cherry pick' and alter the intel while he was Gov of Texas?

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

So I take it that you must agree with Coulter.


Where did I say that?

Did you mean to say:
Religious extremism that equates murder with martyrdom, creates a fertile ground for a terrorist culture which results in poverty and desperation.


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No, Slick, I didn't mean to say that, but I won't disagree with you. It's an endless loop. Most Middle Eastern countries offer nothing of economic value beyond oil. As long as there's a steady demand for oil, Western (and other) economies will be there with their hands out.

Terrorist assholes want their countrymen to see all their problems as caused by the West so as to remain powerful. They want to maintain this regional desperation and make their people think it's a war of Islam versus the decadent West. Such indoctrination is hard to overcome, and too often the U.S. has played into these asswipes' hands with misguided support for oppressive regimes and military intervention. The terrorists then play that back as the acts of a colonial power bent on stealing their resources and wiping out their culture. Whether it's true or not is irrelevant.

We have to be smarter than to follow their script.

cbob......what I was saying was that in addition to the doom and gloom that you just cant tell me that someone cant report about the things that have helped....such as the captures and the blocking of financial things and the like............is it too much to ask for balanced and fair reporting on this.

(see how I turned that around...yuk yuk).........

cbob......I disagree with one of your statements about middle east doing nothing but oil........israel is in the middle east and there is a long list of accomplishments from there......I believe that you are on the internet because of something developed in israel and I have read where cell phones were developed there as well.............so is there anything NEAR to this that the muslim countries have done like this.....

I hate to break it to you but no Democrat is going to take impeachment beyond the level of lip service, based upon the 'evidence' currently available pointing toward high crimes and misdemeanors"

You may well be right but it will have little to do with "lack of evidence"

It will have more to do with "lack of will"

Lack of evidence?

Here's wot Spud thinks...

The guys who survived Watergate musta learned not to be so clumsy this time.

They've covered their tracks 6 ways to Sunday but their high crimes and misdemeanors in failing to protect America on 9/11 and their deliberate and cynical and dishonest (and unfortunately ultimately successful) attempts at selling the Iraq to the American peple by deliberately linking Saddam to Al Quaeda in peoples minds with very old propaganda techniques and a well oiled compliant press is well documented.

Their prosection and execution of the war in Iraq was criminally ignorant at the outset and since that time crimes against humanity have occured there.

In the meantime, Afghanistan is becoming in danger of turning into another Iraq as the Taliban creep back.

There's also hellacious torture going on in Kabul as we speak.

It's getting bad again.

Bush seems hellbent, even at this point, in continuing on with the building of Fortress America in the heart of Baghdad the soon to be gated Prison City.

Libby took a bullet in the Plame treason.

However...

Their attempts to compromise and politicise the DOJ for prolly demonstrably illegal purposes in the Al Gonzo Kyle sampson Monica Goodling thing has yet to play out.

To argue "no evidence for impeachment" you are arguing disingenuously or ignorantly.

Arguing "Will" or "provability" are the only real arguments left worth having.

Real Political will is not forthcoming from any of the candidates except from Dennis Kucinich who's efforts prolly won't do much at this point.

Provability?

Without the will it's a "moot point".

Innit?

Be Well.

PS: "Moot Point" was the Word on TCR last night.

To argue "no evidence for impeachment" you are arguing disingenuously or ignorantly.


No, just arguing from a position of common-sense assessment of the existing evidence.

The Dems lack the will because they lack sufficient evidence.


If the case is so air-tight, as you posit, why do you think the Dems lack the will; particularly in light of wot Clinton went through?

precisely, jeffj. my main argument with the dems right now...too much whining, not enough action.

you want impeachment? DO IT
you want the troops out? DO IT

what's stopping you? quit pussy-footing around.

""what's stopping you? quit pussy-footing around.""

Oh, another Republican who can't do math.
Any idiot can look at the number of Democratic Senators who are actually sitting in the Senate and realize the Dems do not have the votes.
But it is so much more fun to post talking points and pretend they are true.

The Democrats are walking a fine line and are playing a solid political game.

On the one hand they want to appeal to the kooky demands of their base. On the other hand, they are smart enough to recognize that it would be detrimental to do so. So, they pretend to do so in the hopes of fooling their constituency. Based on Danni's comments I'd say they are having some success.

""Based on Danni's comments I'd say they are having some success.""

Oh, Jeff are you saying they actually do have the votes in the Senate???
You should check your facts before you make a fool of yourself.....again.

"But it is so much more fun to post talking points and pretend they are true."

Tell me, Danni...in your pretend world, is Hillary already president? Anyway, I understand your posts better now, lol. And you had the brass to give ME a coupla "DUHs" ha.

Oh, Jeff are you saying they actually do have the votes in the Senate???


They have a majority.


In regards to impeachment...The only way Clinton could be removed was if a few Democrats voted in favor of such - yet the Republicans pushed forward anyway despite not having the majority necessary to remove Clinton.


You are being duped, Danni. Again.

I see no connection between Iraq and al Qaeda in the article, only that Sudan had connections with both. You can do better than the Weekly Standard.

danni,
fyi, i'm not a republican.

Neither am I, Rob, but Danni considers anyone who would disagree with her to be a republican. Be careful though, she's capable of calling you worse things.

We should just submit right now and embrace Sharia law.

According to Bushlover2, they are already doing that in Minnesota.

They are the first to elect a Muslim to Congress

What an ignorant statement.

Article is borderline bizarre ... and PARANOID. Foot baths?

Two questions:

Do you want Bin Laden?

Should President Hillary or Obama go after him and how?

OK, you claim not to be Republicans but you still support just about everything they do. So call yourselves whatever you want but don't be surprised when some of us assume you are members of the party who you seem to support. The fact that you aren't members speaks more about your own confusion than anything else.

On the one hand they want to appeal to the kooky demands of their base....

Posted by JeffJ

Kooky such as...what? actually managing the war with intelligence instead of stupidity? Letting the generals on the field make the decisions (from the start) instead of the WH situation room? Making sure that the soldiers, if indeed they have to go into battle, are ready and have the equipment they need? Make sure that when soldiers come back to the states wounded, they are well taken care of? Finally decide that there is no benefit to the US to be in the middle of a civil war where we are the catalyst to keeping it going, and, finally, deciding that there is no "winning" here because even if we are able to help end this civil war, one group will be in charge and the other group will not and whichever group is in charge, we will not be welcome. We will still be the occupiers. Are these the kooky demands you are talking about?

The funny part to this discussion is that our mighty president attacked, deposed and executed the only person in the ME that would have been a roadblock to Al-qaida's plans for the ME.

""He's certainly right to some extent. They are the first to elect a Muslim to Congress...AND...:""

OMG!!! the sky is falling!!!

"""don't buy into the lib media bullshit."""

Audrey, audrey, audrey,

What a freakin' predictable poof you are.

From the article

"""When the current head of DIA, Lt. Gen. Michael Maples, visited Capitol Hill this year, he warned that the group's leaders are resilient and are actively plotting from their new base in Pakistan. "Al Qaeda retains the ability to organize complex, mass-casualty attacks and inspire others," Maples said. "Al Qaeda has consistently recovered from losses of senior leadership."""""

Damn librul media? I would respond with Damn rightwing simpleton. Your "shoot the messenger" blather is pathetic and makes you seem like an impotent, angry little person that fights and negates reality in the hopes of making your silly little take on the world become real.

Dream on, twinkle toes.

Don't need to worry about al queda's funding situation. Saudi alquedia is still bankrolling them and their wahabist recruiters around the world. Pakistan is still paying them to train their kashmiri terrorists and probably charging them rent in waziristan.
Which explains why Bush had to cover up for the saudis in the 9-11 Commission, give Pakistan a billion bucks and F-16s and invade Iraq. He's the Deciderer, after all.

Is Al Qaeda stronger or America weaker?

Is Al Qaeda stronger or America weaker?

Al Qaeda stronger

Is Al Qaeda stronger or America weaker?

Al Qaeda stronger

My bet is both.

The sad truth is we are being beat strategically by a bunch of zealots from a cave.

Al Qaeda is stronger

and

America is Weaker

But America is not defeated in any way.

WE do need a change of direction AND a real leadership not a Dear Leader or a King or a Dick.

America has actually not yet begun to fight.

America has actually not yet begun to fight.

Neither has Al Qaeda. You'll notice them beginning to fight when they put their sleeper agents in the States to work.

Geez, one thing that hasn't taken a beating is good old American pride.

I see no connection between Iraq and al Qaeda in the article, only that Sudan had connections with both. You can do better than the Weekly Standard.
Of course you don't. But I bet you did in the late nineties. BTW, maybe you should study the English language.

Let me see if I can help you:
"We know for a fact, physical evidence, soil samples of VX precursor--chemical precursor at the site," said Richardson. "Secondly, Wolf, direct evidence of ties between Osama bin Laden and the Military Industrial Corporation(Iraq)--the al Shifa factory was part of that. This is an operation--a collection of buildings that does a lot of this dirty munitions stuff. And, thirdly, there is no evidence that this precursor has a commercial application. So, you combine that with Sudan(Al Queda) support for terrorism, their connections with Iraq on VX, and you combine that, also, with the chemical precursor issue, and Sudan's leadership support for Osama bin Laden, and you've got a pretty clear cut case."

Neither has Al Qaeda. You'll notice them beginning to fight when they put their sleeper agents in the States to work.
Oh but thats when the fun begins. At that point, God forbid you might be a MOOSLIM. Because the smackdown will make WWF look fake!

Sometimes to clean out the inserts you have to fumigate the house.

Awwwwwwwwwwwww Box Itch is still holding onto anything even if it has been disproven long ago. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww must suck to be a Bushite now a days. It will be alright. Be strong Bushites Be strong bwhahahahahahah

Larry

Box Itch
Who is Box Itch ?

Geez, the pube's must be getting really desperate to pull out the terror card so early. I mean the election is not even for another year and a half and they are already spreading their fear campaign.

When the Republicants can't win with ideas, they campaign on fear.

When do the terror alerts start?

When can we nuke em?

Seriously?

I live in ND. I fly B-52's. Haji's gonna have his work cut out for him infiltrating the lily-whiteness of North Dakota, but for all you mutli-ethic-city-dwelling assholes, you should be a little bit concerned.

At what point will enough be enough? Are we going to wait for them to set off nukes of their own, or a dirty bomb maybe, or even something far simpler; the take-over of a school or a theater perhaps?

There are those that claim AQ is nothing more than a tool allowing political leaders in the US to create a culture of fear. I hope to Christ they're right. My gut feeling is that they are not. While the left tends to be the most apologetic about terrorism; claimning it doesn't exist, or that it is because of capitalism, whatever, the current administration has done little either. We know the area AQ is operating out of, and for ther most part we let them do it with impunity. The one time we did decide to strike, (using predator drone eqipped with helffire missiles) the left went on a tirade about killing innocent civillians, illegal bombing, etc. We need to make it abundantly clear to the inhabitants of Northern Waziristan that support for AQ will have consequences. There will always be civillian casualties. The only choice we have to make is whether they will be our casualties or theirs.

In the meantime, I'll be up here in the northern tier, waiting for the call. Hopefully it will come before we start losing major metropolitian areas.

MADBOMBER: Concur!

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