I'm all a-titter.

BTW . . . is the stage big enough for Giuliani's ego?

Go McCain!

Walsh,

Top:
McCain

Bottom:
Guliani
Romney (way below him)

It will be hard for this group to come off as the Dems did last week--as a group of insane asylum inmates.

But we'll see with Romney, the More-man-less-god. Brigham Young once famously bragged, "We have the greatest and smoothest liars in the world."

Rank your faves pre-debate.

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

Posted by Walsh


1. Tie between Rudy and Huckabee
2. McCain
3. Romney

that's pretty much it...

I only know a little about huckabee but what I've seen makes me a little hopeful he might make a run on the nomination after a couple of these debates.

I think Giuliani will be the clear winner of the debate.

I think Mike Huckabee will be the surprise 2nd.

Rank your faves pre-debat

1. Groucho
2. Harpo
3. Chico
4. Curly
5. Moe

1.Huckabee
2.Thompson(write in)
3.Brownback


Bottom

Romney
Rudy
McCain

i.Rank your faves pre-debat

1. Groucho
2. Harpo
3. Chico
4. Curly
5. Moe

Like always, "Zeppo" gets the shaft

None of the above.

I think Giuliani will be the clear winner of the debate.

I think Mike Huckabee will be the surprise 2nd.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-05-03 10:08 AM | Reply

Translation: I haven't moved very much Rudy Thongs and the warehouse is backed up and I am desperately hoping for a Rudy win so I can move them out. Isn't that right LOKISFUR Hmmmmmmmmmm bwhahahahahahahahahah

Larry

I think one of the most interesting things which has developed is how much the far-left hates Rudy even though he's on their side of some major issues -- he's pro-choice, for gun control, gay rights.

I think they hate him because they can't paint him as some far-right wacko, because of that they fear him more then all the others.

I think Mike Huckabee will be the surprise 2nd.

Posted by Bowa

Huckabee had a great line on Colbert a couple weeks back about Romney being hunter, saying it was like calling himself a sailor because he went out on a lake in central park in a paddle boat.

He seems to be a genuine, charismatic guy... he's also lost about a 100lbs over the last couple years... that might play well with parents concerned about childhood obesity, or just fatties in general.

Giuliani is desperate to have some kind of political career. If he loses, he will always be remembered as the highly unpopular mayor who used a national tragedy to manipulate opinion and shamelessly promote himself as a strong leader. He will always remind us of 9/11.

McCain? Please. He's older than the hills and will say anything to get publicity. He is also desperate for a legacy that doesn't include backing down from Bush.

Mitt who? Another billionaire Republican who thinks he can buy his way into office. If you think Obama is inexperienced, Romney is just that.

I hope someone unexpected makes a huge impact. I think mostly this debate will be watched to see if somebody fucks up.

Has there ever been a cross dressing candidate? James Buchanan maybe.

Big question-which candidate will express his love and admiration for George W Bush most?

Will FOX have the guts to ask any of them how they see the President's performance?

And Twinpac-will the stage be big enough for all Rudy's wives to join him at the end?

Bull,

Bill Maher said the other day, in reference to Rudy, that dressing up as a woman can be funny..... the first time.

But when it is done so often that you know your bra size, people will begin to wonder.

Will FOX have the guts to ask any of them how they see the President's performance?


Not in a way that doesn't provide wiggle room...

Lot's of, "I support our president and the job he has done fighting terrorists overseas, but I think a new direction is needed now, and I'm the guy to take us in that direction."

"Will FOX have the guts to ask any of them how they see the President's performance?"

I'm guess NO, NG, since the debate is on MSNBC. :0

"Will FOX have the guts to ask any of them how they see the President's performance?"

regardless of network, I hope they don't ask this. What an irrelevant question for a republican. This is the republican party debates. That question is only designed to pander to a democrat base, which they wont do until after the primaries. No matter how often called "Chicken."

1) Ron Paul (watch you doubters he actualy knows his stuff)
2) Who cares

"What an irrelevant question for a republican."

The President is the titular head of the Republican party. Why is it irrelevant to ask the candidates if they feel he has led the party well, and in the right direction for the country?

If yes, then would you continue his policies. If no, then how would you do things differently.

Very relevant, in my opinion.

Yes, like I said, relevant to a democrat. But I wouldn't ask a question that could potentially embarass the president if I was a republican. For the same reason; he's the titular head of the republican party. But we are talking about the republicans here. they just might do it.

With the war being the major issue for this campaign, they'd probably just ask an open end question like, "How would you conduct the Iraq war when elected president?"

"Ron Paul (watch you doubters he actualy knows his stuff)"

They wont let him debate. He's honest and trustworthy.

"Twinpac-will the stage be big enough for all Rudy's wives to join him at the end?"

I didn't know Rudy was Mormon?

Oh wait! I read that wrong. They are going to let Ron Paul debate. I may watch now.

"They wont let him debate."

Face it, these things aren't really debates anyway. Especially now when there are so many candidates on both sides.

This will probably be just like the Dems last week where all we get are little snippets of comments, not enough time to really figure out where they are coming from, and no ability for them to challenge each other.

I think it was the Fox-sponsored debate coming up where they are or were going to exclude some of the lesser candidates. I think the criteria was that they had to be polling greater than 1%. MSNBC is letting them all in, just like they did with the Dems.

True,

But I think people will be suprised by where RP is coming from.

RP might still pull off the Fox debate. He paid his 25k on tuesday making him one of 4 who have paid. Now all he needs is the % and I think he feels confident that he will get it.

I would love to see that, Tao.

Ranking my favorites before a debate:

1) LetUsReason

2 and down) Any candidate that is not LetUsReason

LetUsReason '08: Because no other candidate can be trusted (by LetUsReason)

I'm LetUsReason and I approved this message (because, while true, I also think it's funny as s**t)!

I am watching this debate only because Ron Paul is in it. Listening to him will make it bearable after having to put up with all the bullshit coming from everyone else.

Letus, if the GOP is dumb enough not to nominate Ron Paul, you got my vote. People suck, go ahead, do your thing.

I need to look more closely at Paul's record and platform, Loon and Mem. From what I have seen so far (admittedly not enough to be sure), I rather like it. But I doubt very seriously he'll be given the nod; too many interests that don't much like not having control over people's lives while saying they're for personal liberty and responsibility exist.

Watch tonight as Mitt Romney changes his positions actually during the debate. If he senses any objection to any of his positions he will just change it. He may even change positions within one answer to a question.
Somehow Rudy will get 9-11 into every answer he gives even if the question is totally unrelated.
John McCain will continue irrationally supporting the occupation but will gain some folks respect because at least he does stand for something other than just his ambition unlike a former mayor or NY.
The rest will answer questions but are irrelevant.

1. Shemp
2. Zeppo
3. Gummo
4. Curly Joe

MSNBC did a credible job in the first Dem debate and there is no reason to suppose they will not do so again. Anybody know if the regular sized head of Brian Jennings will be moderating again? The article doesn't say.

Top and bottom candidates?

They all suck but if Spud hasta?

The best?

1. Fred Thompson (write in)
2. Ron Paul
3. Mit Romny
4. Tommy Thompson.
5. Mike Huckabee

The worst?

6. Newt Gingrich (write in)
7. John McCain.
8. Rudy Guiliani
9. Brownback Mountain
10.Wots his face.

Wonder if they are all gonna get a "how would you pay for?..." question like the Dems got and all pretty much ignored.

Spud is listen for that.

Nobody on the stage will have good words for Bush's "strategies" but all will prolly claim to back "the mission" and know how to fix it.

McCain will prolly claim to the GOP's "earliest and toughest critic" of Bush's failed policies and Spud'll haff a good laff, no doubt.

Should be good.

Be Well.

I think its Brian Williams and Chris Matthews moderating, Spudster.

This one won't be quite as fun because there is no grumpy ancient curmudgeon to bark at everyone like former Senator Gravel.

Oh wait, I forgot about McCain!

but all will prolly claim to back "the mission"

RP won't he voted against it in the first place (unlike Billary and Edwards)

McCain will prolly claim to the GOP's "earliest and toughest critic" of Bush's failed policies and Spud'll haff a good laff, no doubt.

Previous part of this shows how laughable that will be if he tries it on the same stage as RP.

LetUsReason posted in regards to Ron Paul: "But I doubt very seriously he'll be given the nod; too many interests that don't much like not having control over people's lives while saying they're for personal liberty and responsibility exist"

I wont argue with that assessment. The two major parties (which aren't all that different in application) have a firm hold on our government. That's not going to change any time soon.

Ron Paul is our best hope for this country because he believes in the Constitution and will dissemble the Empire that has built 700 military bases around the world and bring our troops home where they can defend our borders from infiltration.

He would also impose fiscal responsibility on the Congress and open up the Federal Reserve to accountability.

Naturally he has little chance of gaining the support of corporations and party loyalists. A recent report indicates that Fox will not allow him or any of the second tier candidates to participate in the South Carolina debate because their poll numbers are less than 1%.

Hopefully this debate will help him out, and if not I'm hoping that he'll get the Unity 08 nomination and run on a coalition ticket.

Mike,

RP paid his 25k to SC. Given that he is a fiscal conservative I have to think he would not have dumped the cash if he did not feel that more than 1% was a lock. I think he will hit 3% after this debate.

I think he will hit 3% after this debate.

I think he should be at 99%.

He comes to Missouri I'll be knocking on doors.

I'm glad Rcade put this up. I had forgotten about it.

1-2-3) Tancredo-Paul-Huckabee in no particular order

999999999998-999999999999- 1000000000000) Romney-McCain-Guliani in no particular order

Mitt Romney is the pre-picked "anointed son" to carry on the Bush family madness and desire for power.

Not only did Mitt talk about Bush brother Jeb -- telling a reporter "I love that guy?" but now Romney is being hyped big time by one of the biggest Bush buttkissing lemming of them all -- talk show host Michael Medved. If Medved is trying to sell Romney to his audience then the Bush machine is pushing Romney's candidacy.

Medved's very far right audience isn't too thrilled with Romney, though, as they are coming on and telling Medved that Romney is a "Free Mason and Free Masons hate Christians." You should hear Medved humming and hawing trying to figure how to save Romney and defend Free Masons.

I will be following very closely tonight the "type" of questions given to Romney. might be very telling.

IF MITT ROMNEY GETS NOMINIATED HE WILL PICK JEB BUSH TO RUN AS HIS V.P.

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.

correction - no question mark after "I love that guy" in my second sentence above.

Ron Paul is impress Spud!

His brief argument for the continuation of the traditional republican non-interventionist stance is well made.

McCain is flailing.

Tancredo sez that America should be alarmed about a guy awaiting the return of the 12th Inam.

Spud agrees.

Also anybody awaiting the return of Christ or some kinda rapture event.

Tancredo fergot to mention that second part.

Be Well.

Speaking of Bin Laden.

"We haff to get this guy"

Mitts gaffe on not "moving heaven and earth" to catch Bin Laden catches up to him.

McCain: Tancredo for INS?

No!

Spud is laffing at the Reps declaring Bin Laden enemy number one all over again.

Deja Vu or wot?

Be Well.

Abortion.

Everybody thinks the overturning of roe v wade is a good thing.

Even Rudy sez he would be "okay with the repeal".

NEEEEEEEP!

Wrong answer thanks for playing boys.

One guy thought it should be left up to the states.

Mathews is being pathetically chummy with the field.

Almost as onerous as watching
Tim Russert kiss ass.

Hardball?

Screw THAT.

He aint even playing Teeball.

Be Well.

Reagun was a bloody fool.

Listening to all this Reagun luff is annoying but not unexpected.

Ron Paul doesn't think the US should be the world's policeman.

Good fer Ron!

Damn he's making sense.

Firing a gay worker?

It's the business' decision!

Wotta shitstain.

Brownback Mountain...

"We should invite faith into the public square"

And kick everybody else out, right?

He is dangerous.

Gilmore refuses to answer the question on Carl Rove. Wotta coward.

Be Well.

McCain is blowing it.

Romney is the smoothest so far.

Rudy got off slow. He's picking up steam.

Huckabee seems nervous.

Ron Paul and his 1933 brand of Isolationism is so out of touch with reality that he is coming off nuts.

Huckabee got some laughs. He needed that. Maybe he'll settle down.

Romney is now slipping into that slick wordy "clinton-speak" his phoney is showing

Rudy's straight talk came out in a big way -- he just came out as unequivocally pro-choice. Let's see how that plays out in the next poll.

Wots with the corruption?

The Jefferson deflection!

Quel suprise.

Tancredo take?

"not unique" to the Reps.

Coward.

McCain is really being a time hog.

"Line item veto"?

Spud would like to see Obama haff THAT!

"It's too early to give Bush a grade on the Iraq War"

Wot a cheap political avoidance of the issue.

Rudy Pro Choice?

He hates 'em but he respects a womans right and he supports the pba ban and the Hyde thing.

Gilmore sed it better.

Be Well.

These people are scary.

They want to be President?

McCain gets to Indies with the Progressive Populist stuff about pork and special interests.

I've always liked him on those issues.

But he can be scary in other ways.

Loose cannons. Ships.

Ron Paul can't think of even one example of a critical decision he's ever made in his life.

Where's P'Ville?

I think he might like Mitt.

Mitt Romney is winning so far

Rudy 2nd

McCain 3rd.

none of the others have broken out of the pack yet.

They all want to cut taxes and spending. No surprise there.

"Firing a gay worker?

It's the business' decision!

Wotta shitstain."

Tommy Thompson's an ass. Plus he looks like a wrinkled old frog. The perfect nominee.

."... oughta be takin' out back behind the barn and killed with a dull axe."


Now that is what I call "playing to the base."


The truth is that the Liberal (yes, big L) Mitt or Randy Rudy or Honest John would be a vast improvement over George W. Bush.



Why don't we just let one of them finish out his term, eh?


I'd be willin' ta chance it!

Federal funds for embryonic stem cell research?

No. No. No no.

McCain?

"We need to do wot we can to eliminate suffering"

McCain is for Stem cell research.

Wow there's a suprise.

The Tax cuts need to be made permanent sez McCain but spending must be controlled.

Wot a jerk.

Taxes who's gonna do wot they say?

Good question.

Overhaul, flat tax, 0% capitol gains on middle America.

Nothing new.

McCain wants the line item veto too?

Who doesn't?

Ron Paul talking about how the "inflation tax" is kicking ass on the average American worker?

Spudpoints fer Ron Paul.

Be Well.

"Ron Paul and his 1933 brand of Isolationism is so out of touch with reality that he is coming off nuts"

Obviously Bow-wow is scared of Paul, the only guy talking sense on foreign policy.

McCain quote of the night"I've been doing it a long long time"

Which means "I am too old to be President"

"Where's P'Ville?

I think he might like Mitt.

Posted by Corky"

And I think Mitt might like him too.

Mitt says his health care plan was Faaaabulous... and the gaydar goes off the scale.

Obviously Bow-wow is scared of Paul, the only guy talking sense on foreign policy.

Scared? Of Ron Paul?

LOL

How much oil does Romney put on his hair? He looks like Michael Corleone.

".... my first concern would be their talent and not their party affiliation."

This is what keeps John running.

The chances he's is going to have to righteously bash Bush over the next 2 years.


+++++++++


LOL!

Prof. Rudy on Islam!

I said earlier that the Repub debate wouldn't be as fun as the Dems last week because they didn't have a crochety old man like Mike Gravel to keep it interesting.

I was wrong, they're ALL crochety old men (except, of course, Mitt who is AbFab!)

Imagine Newt Gingrich and Fred Thompson debating McCain and Giuliani with Romney and Brownback and maybe Hunter running for VP ... and I think that's the GOP choice

"Scared? Of Ron Paul?"

Yeah, you don't want him up on that stage raising difficult questions for the rest of the clowns. Get him in a 3 or 4 way debate.

Newt runs rings around Rudy when it comes to understanding and explaining all the different strains and dynamics within the Islamic world.

Border Security?

At least everybody is talking like it's a good idea.

It is a very real concern.

Nobody admits to disbelieving evolution?

That's interesting.

Do you trust the MSM?

"I trust the internet much more"

Ron Paul rawks!

You pick and chose!

Brownback, does yer faith effect yer decisions?

It dominates it, despite his denial to that effect.

Rudy's weakness'?

Frilly underthings!

Spud s gonna staret playing the Reagun drinking game now.

Every time one of these GOPhers says the word Reagun you gotta drink!

Like the "Bob" Newhart drinking game!

Be Well.

Fred Thompson would be their strongest candidate. Hopefully he won't run. This crowd is a bunch of shmucks.

they're ALL crochety old men

LOL!


Tried that , GZ.

Made me queasy!

Tried what Corky?

You mean Newt? lol

Fred Thompson would be their strongest candidate. Hopefully he won't run. This crowd is a bunch of shmucks.

Posted by Bill_OReilly at 2007-05-03 09:17 PM | Reply

I like Fred Thompson. He reminds Me of a Grandfatherly Authoritarian whom would set down the "Law" But yet be the comforter when this Country needs comforting the most. Know what I mean.

Larry

The most competent man on the stage is Mitt Romney.

And that in itself is such a contrast to GW that it might be enough to carry him in a national election.... but he'll get hung, figuratively of course, in the Southern primaries.

Yeah, you don't want him up on that stage raising difficult questions for the rest of the clowns. Get him in a 3 or 4 way debate.

What difficult questions. Paul is a walking anomaly. It's like he was cryogenically frozen and brought back for this debate to sell the Republican party platform of 1933.

Huckabee hit a homerun about jobs.

Rudy is getting too technical, not letting his personality show through enough.

GZ

Imagining your post.

Did I actually see 3 or 4 hands go up stating their disbelief in evolution? LOL

OK!

The skinny little guy!

Is that Ron Paul?

He said Libby was instrumental in helping get us in a war we shouldn't have been in.

Brightest thing I will hear all night.

Matthews is a horrible moderator -- he keeps cutting off people before their time is up

"What difficult questions. Paul is a walking anomaly."

Like the U.S. shouldn't be the world's policeman? That used to be a staple of Republican politics.

Bill Clinton.

They really couldn't come up with any good reasons for not having a Clinton back in the WH.

People do still remember the relative peace and prosperity of the deficit-reducing Clinton era.

"Rudy is getting too technical, not letting his personality show through enough."

What personality?

The most competent man on the stage is Mitt Romney.

he's defiitely the most polished and well -groomed.

Rudy just a hit a homerun agains the democratic nominees for never mentioning "islamic fundmentalism or terrorism" in ther debate last week.

"The war was badly managed for 4 years"

- John Me Cain

OK he has my vote for Ambassador to Dubai.

Tamper Proof ID.

There's an idea.

It is a good idea.

Problem is of course there is no "tamper proof" there is just "hard to forge"

"Hard to Forge" ID is a good idea in any country.

Rudy and McCain like the idea.

Brownback doesn't think it's neccessary.

Ron Paul opposes it from a privacy angle.

Make SS cards the new id card?

Possible compromise.

There still spinning that "no crime in the Scooter Libby trial" bushit.

"Don't want another Mark Rich"?

Very funny, Matt. NOT

Jeb Bush did the right thing in the Schiavo case?!

Are you fuggin' nuts?!

Brownback still thinks it's a good idea.

Brownback is such a moron and an asshole.

Pelosi Reid and Hillary are now the "gang of three".

Damn this smug, chummy tone is irritating.

Almost as annoying as the continual REagun references but since starting the drinknig fgame that's not so much of a problem now.

Be Well.

"I respect the Presidents character?!?!"

That one needs a funny flag!

"Rudy just a hit a homerun agains the democratic nominees for never mentioning "islamic fundmentalism or terrorism" in ther debate last week."

Which, of course, is not true.

Like the U.S. shouldn't be the world's policeman? That used to be a staple of Republican politics.

in 1932

Tommy Thompson just said: gobble gobble gobble.

Which, of course, is not true.


I'm sure that Lefty bloggers are checking last weeks transcript as we speak.

Almost as annoying as the continual REagun references but since starting the drinknig fgame that's not so much of a problem now.




hahahaha!

Oh boy!

Now complete debate analysis. I can hardly wait.

Ron Paul and his 1933 brand of Isolationism is so out of touch with reality that he is coming off nuts.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-05-03 08:50 PM

Anybody who knows Bowa would take that as an endorsement of Ron Paul.

Mathews is a crappy moderator.

Brian Williams kicked ass at the Dem debate.

Rudy mentions 9/11 again?

Spud is haff a drink fer THAT!

Spud never really noticed Rudy's near lisp before.

Nerves?

"Never abuse habeus corpus"

Good 'un Paul!

Be Well.

PS: Double shoyt of reagun references at the end?

Down the hatch!

"in 1932"

Bullshit. George Bush said we shouldn't be in the business of nation building in his first campaign. Get a clue.

"McCain is Popeye again!"


- Howard Fineman

Love 'im or leave 'im, ya gets what ya gets!

Get a clue.


You'll have to give him one if you want him to have it.

All right, I need a transcript or a vidcopy of the debate. Someone point me.

The only one who showed any character at all tonight was Ron Paul.

McCain seemed to haff gotten the most time and attention.

Brownback is a hateful insane POS.

Rudy's attempts to stride the fence on abortion was pathetic.

Mittens looked polished and didn't make too many mistakes. 2nd place after RP sez Spud.

Thompson failed to impress.

Gilmore made a little sense so he takes 3rd place with Spud.

None of them stand a chance.

Still it's good to know wot sound bytes yer dealing with.

Be Well.

Did it only go through once? Good, I feared I'd doubled up on that post.

OK.

My rake.

No clear winners. But Romney was the biggest surprise, the slickest, so he should get the biggest bump from this.

Rudy held his own but he will get hurt the most as the front runner. Might get bumped to 2nd behind Romney

McCain should drop to third. His performance was lackluster, he seemed old. he ws definitely the "rich little" of this bunch.

I was expecting more from Huckabee.

The others didn't say anything of note.

I know lots of people like Ron paul here, I guess because his 1933 brand of GOP isolationism is the same as 2007 democrat isolationaism.

"Now complete debate analysis. I can hardly wait."

You can get it all from me, Corky. They were all shmucks, except for Ron Paul.

"Mittens looked polished "

That's for sure. That VO 5 will do that for you.

"But Romney was the biggest surprise, the slickest"

He definitely was the slickest.

As I expected, Ron Paul did an outstanding job. The was contrast was made evidently clear betwen Ron Paul and those other indistinguishable Republicans. If you want more Big Brother Authoritarian Government a la Bush, then pick any of the candidates you want, they are all the same. If you want more freedom, less taxes, and a non-interventionist foreign policy, then Dr. Paul is your man. I hope the GOP choses wisely.

"Now complete debate analysis. I can hardly wait."

You can get it all from me, Corky. They were all shmucks, except for Ron Paul.

Posted by Bill_OReilly

I wasn't able to catch it Bill, but I'm sure Fred Thompson did. If Rudy didn't show well, I hope he throws his hat in.

Bowa, thanks for the poll. Ron Paul is geting 11% so far.

All these guys were doing was debating who was the most holy on culture issues because that is where their consumer base is.

It has always been John McCain's race to lose, but he has a lot of time to lose it. And if he wins, he may take Rudy or Mitt with him to the WH.

Basset Fred Thompson will turn out to be a character actor, not an improviser, and has only a low 80's conservative voting record in the Senate... where 90 + is the standard.

Bowa, thanks for the poll. Ron Paul is geting 11% so far.

no surprise, He is the democrats republican.

"I'm sure that Lefty bloggers are checking last weeks transcript as we speak.

Posted by Bowa "

I can give you half a dozen quotes, if you want them. So I guess Rudy subscribes to the Dick Cheney debating philosophy - just tell any old lie and a certain percentage of the people will buy it.

"The first time I ever met you, Senator Edwards, is on this stage tonight"

Basset Fred Thompson will turn out to be a character actor, not an improviser, and has only a low 80's conservative voting record in the Senate... where 90 + is the standard.




Posted by Corky

Go back and post the proof. And if you're right, think about the general public that will be fed up with this crap come primary season from both sides.

He is the democrats republican.

Mitt is a Liberal.

In Mass, a righty Gov is about 100 miles left of a righty Gov in Texas.

He is at least equivalent to a liberal Dem in Texas.


Duncan Hunter is a fool.

Don't tell me what to do, _________.

Deconstructing the Bowa spin...

"Ron Paul can't think of even one example of a critical decision he's ever made in his life."

Ron Paul is a doctor who has made many life and death decision s in his life.

Wots more critical than that?

"Ron Paul and his 1933 brand of Isolationism is so out of touch with reality that he is coming off nuts."

Ron Paul is just reminding the other Reps that their party has lost it's way from it's original non-interventionist stance.

Bush ran on that very platform back in 1999.

And no before you say it...

9/11 DID not "change everything".

Only fer cowards it did.

Be Well.

"He is the democrats republican."

Paul is the democrats favorite Republican because he's an isolationist just like they are.

Wow, Tancredo disappointed me.

No on federally helping with stem cell research...

Yes -- he would go to war with Israel against Iran even if Iran had not attacked Israel or the U.S. All the Israeli government needed to do is ask!!!

REPUBLICANS = ETERNAL WAR

Ron Paul can't think of even one example of a critical decision he's ever made in his life."...

Guess you beamed out for the rest of his answer. Paul said that as a doctor he made hundreds of critical desisions in his lifetime.

This is the point where Bowa keeps making the same assertion, as if because he said it it were true.

No, as Spud has said a couple of times, Bush ran on the same platform in 1999.

And he also called for timetables for withdrawals of troops, as you well know.

Paul said that as a doctor he made hundreds of critical desisions in his lifetime.

he was asked for an "example". He couldn't think of one.

It was a lame answer. In fact, it wasn't really an answer at all.

"I wasn't able to catch it Bill, but I'm sure Fred Thompson did. If Rudy didn't show well, I hope he throws his hat in."

I sure hope not. He has the charisma, the stage presence, to put any of these clowns to shame. He's the Republican's best hope.

It was a lame answer. In fact, it wasn't really an answer at all.


Posted by Bowa

Still more experience than Hillary.

9/11 DID not "change everything".

Of course it did.

9/11 changed everything the same way Pearl harbor changed everything.

Chris
Paul said that as a doctor he made hundreds of critical desisions in his lifetime.

I think Paul was a dentist. To drill or not to drill, that is the question.

Bill:
Agreed. Sounds like Rudy was a disappointment. Too many talk shows.

"I'll follow him to the Gates of Hell!"

- John Mc Cain on bin Laden

As it should be.

Makes GW look the complete PUSSY that he is, eh?

"I'll follow him to the Gates of Hell!"

- John Mc Cain on bin Laden

(At least until I'm elected)

All right, I'd have to say, based on what I've seen here (since I haven't seen the debate or a transcript thereof), I'd have to go with Ron Paul (mainly because Bowa seems so deathly afraid of him)...

except of course for the fact that I'm running myself in '08, since I'm obviously the only one that can be trusted to run this nation (at least the way I want it run anyway).

LetUsReason '08: because none of the other candidates can be trusted (by LetUsReason).

I'm LetUsReason and I approved this message (because it's still funny as shit).

Actually, Ray, Ron Paul is a gynecologist.

In regards to last week's democratic debate, Rudy said, "I never remembered the words "Islamic Fundamentalist terrorism" being uttered by any of them."

That was a shot across the left bloggers bows if ever there was one.

By tomorrow morning, blogs everywhere willhave combed the transcripts of the dem debate and posted every single quote they can alluding to terrorism or muslims or Islam.

I'll bet those three words together "Islamic Fundamentalist terrorism" are nowhere to be found.

But what is to be found is a lot of talk about terrorism and Islam and how we must try to use diplomacy and comprimise to deqal with it.

In other words, Rudy might have created a situation where Lefty bloggers in their angry and despearate atttempts to prove him wrong, in effect, by posting the quotes, are helping to prove that the democrats are just a bunch of appeasers and cowards in the face of gloabl terrorism.

"Mitt says his health care plan was Faaaabulous... and the gaydar goes off the scale."

Caught that, eh?

Spuds gonna stop calling him Mittens and start calling him "Metro Mitt".

He's sooo Metro-sexual it's abFab!

Also ...the shiny hair thing?

Spud just got an idea how to wean America off of foreign oil. Put a derrick on the top of Mitt's head!

So the real question at this point is...

Will Fred Thompson and Newt Gingrich jump in the race after observing this first debate opr will they wait until summer time to join or will they get in at all.

Spud thinks Fred will and Newt won't.

Anybody else haff a guess!

Be Well.

PS: The Raygun debate drinking game is fun!

WOOOO Hoooo!

Actually, Ray, Ron Paul is a gynecologist.

Posted by Bill_OReilly

At least he knows how to wrap his hands around a problem.

Actually, Ray, Ron Paul is a gynecologist.

Posted by Bill_OReilly

At least he knows how to wrap his hands around a problem.

Actually, Ray, Ron Paul is a gynecologist.



Decisions, decisions.

Hmm, you know, actually a Ron Paul/Fred Thompson ticket... and we throw in Obama as SecState just for laughs?

"Ron Paul is a gynecologist."

There must be at least one joke about Hillary choosing him as VP because of this.

Anyone?

Bowa, thanks for the poll. Ron Paul is geting 11% so far.

no surprise, He is the democrats republican.

Posted by Bowa

No, he is a true conservative, as opposed to the neocrooks. In power now.

I wish dems were isolationists. Do you think Clinton was isolationist? Didn't he get us into Kosovo? Just like Iraq, another worthless adventure that had nothing to do with national security interests. No, Dems are not isolationists. The problem is that Republican neocrooks have adopted a liberal interventionist do gooder foreign policy.

are helping to prove that the democrats are just a bunch of appeasers and cowards in the face of gloabl terrorism.


This is the kind holier than thou, more patriotic than thou, Nationalistic, jingoistic, flag-wrapping, fear-mongering, name-calling of which the American public is so tired.

Bowow gets called on his 1930's isolationist nonsense, so he resorts to libel.

Mediocrity would be an improvement for him.

Patriotism being the last resort of scoundrels, and all.

Bowa, it was an April fools joke, that Ron Paul quit his presidential aspirations and decided to take the VP spot in a Clinton ticket. Funny stuff.

kind of

"9/11 changed everything the same way Pearl harbor changed everything."

Bullshit.

9/11 did NOT change "everything."

9/11 did not change most American's lives, from getting up every morning to go to work, to paying the bills, to feeding the cats.

9/11 did not change the beauty of watching our nephews grow up, or the sadness of the final goodbyes as we buried our Mother.

9/11 did not change the joy of holidays spent with family, nor the special vacations at the beach.

9/11 did not change the every-3,000-mile oil change on the car and tire rotation.

9/11 did not change the enthusiasm on the faces of the incoming class of new students at work.

9/11 did not change the release of new software patches from Microsoft.

9/11 did not change the outcome of that once-a-year football rivalry with that "other" school.

9/11 did not change the routine of the every-other-week mowing and edging of the lawn.

9/11 did not change the twice-a-year visit to the dentist, or the annual visit to the dermatologist.

9/11 did not change the physical beauty of our country or the diversity of its people.

9/11 did not change the orbit of the moon around the earth, or the orbit of the earth around the sun.

9/11 did not change the beauty of the change of seasons.

9/11 did not change the sun rising in the east and setting in the west.

Yes, Americans have changed some behaviors and become more vigilant. We endure tighter security at the airport.

We remember each 9/11 anniversary and those who perished that day.

We honor the soldiers, sailors and Marines who protect us and those who have given their lives defending America, especially in the wake of 9/11. We mourn with the families of America's fallen heroes.

Yes, there are some things which changed on that fateful day.

But, no, 9/11 did NOT change EVERYTHING.

Hans

Alsmost an hour into it, and The debate recap show on MSNBC has not mentioned Ron paul even once

Obama Sec of State? I think he is too busy being culture police, telling people what language is acceptable, what music is acceptable and so on. Obama is like Joe Lieberman or Tipper Gore, wanting to interfere in people's life. It's too bad he is in government. Control freaks should not be in government.

"I'll bet those three words together "Islamic Fundamentalist terrorism" are nowhere to be found."

Sure they are.

They're found all over the ME these days since Dumbya launched an illegal invasion into a sovereign nation.

So the Dems had to use yer three word phrase exactly or they don't a clue about terrorism? Is that yer take, Bowa?

You do realise how crazy that sounds don't you?

Ah, Who's Spud kidding?

Bowa still thinks Bill O" Rielly is a "straight talker"

Hell Bowa still thinks Dumbya is straight.

That level of denial is hard to do anything about.

Still selling that Lie?

The Lie about the Reps being the party that supports the military more and is better on national security is being seen for the falsehood it is by more and more people every day.

The reps support the military industrial complex not the military despite their continual claims to the contrary.

There is a difference, ya know.

Be Well.

"I'll bet those three words together "Islamic Fundamentalist terrorism" are nowhere to be found."

Big f'in whoop. There a numerous references to terrorists and fighting terrorism. I'll post several if you like.

Pardon us for not using the exact phraseology that Rudy wanted so he could have his little fake moment. Remember that using language of fear is a Republican strategy.

Here's one, just for you...

Clinton: "If we are attacked, and we determine who is behind that attack, and if there are nations that supported or gave material aid to those who attacked us, I believe we should quickly respond ... So let's focus on those who have attacked us and do everything we can to destroy them

Alsmost an hour into it, and The debate recap show on MSNBC has not mentioned Ron paul even once

Posted by Bowa

That is because the press is interested in celebrity, not the issues. These so-called journalists think they are still the editors of their high school newspaper and that this debate is a popularity contest or prom king election.

At least he knows how to wrap his hands around a problem.

Posted by wisgod at 2007-05-03 10:11 PM | Reply

Oh and He knows how to wedge His hands into Tight Spots. Not to mention knows How to "Stretch" things in order to gain more room to "work" Oh and hell He knows how to "Evacuate" "Dark" places. Plus I bet He is a good "Receiver" too

Larry

Mitt Romney.

German for "with" Romney.

Hans

"But, no, 9/11 did NOT change EVERYTHING."

Great Post Hans!

Spud is impressed.

That is one of the worst lies that has done the most damage and it's past time to shut it down.

Be Well.

9/11 did not change the sun rising in the east and setting in the west.

No Hans, 9/11 did not literally change everything

When someone says "9/11 changed everything" that is called a figure of speech. You know what a "figure of speech" is don"t you Hans?

You must. because it seems like a "figure of speech" is something only people you agree with are allowed to use. All others are blasted with ridiculous posts like the one above at 10:19.

And for the purposes of any political discussion about terrorism, our national identity, US foreign policy, or national defense -- 9/11 changed everything. And that is understood by all...ahem... almost all...not you Hans. Not you.

"When someone says "9/11 changed everything" that is called a figure of speech."

It is a bullshit "figure of speech."

There are over six billion people on this planet, of which over five billion have no association with "9/11."

The same cannot be said about Pearl Harbor and the effects of WWII.

Hans

Clinton: "If we are attacked, and we determine who is behind that attack, and if there are nations that supported or gave material aid to those who attacked us, I believe we should quickly respond ... So let's focus on those who have attacked us and do everything we can to destroy them

San, No mention of terrorism. No mention of Islam. No mention of fundamentalism or extrmeism of any kind.

That's not a quote that disproves Rudy's comment at all.

Hmmmm... if this is the best you can do. Then maybe Rudy was 100% right.

Come on ...you must be able to do better then that,

There is a new standard.

It is BB and AB.

Before Bush and After Bush.

A new standard especially important for the GOP.

You see, before NeoBush, er, Bush, or

BB, Repubs were better at war.

AB, the public realizes that Repubs are not very good at war at all.

BB, Repubs were against "nation-building" and for exit strategies and timetables.

AB, Repubs are promoters of these things, albeit magnificently incompetent.

BB, Repubs were against "Big Government"

AB, Repubs ARE Big Government.

Shall I go on?

The public no longer perceives Repubs as significantly better, or different than the Dems on any of these items.

All they have left is their intentionally divisive "culture war", with which to beat people over the head.

"That is because the press is interested in celebrity, not the issues. These so-called journalists think they are still the editors of their high school newspaper and that this debate is a popularity contest or prom king election."

Good post, Member!

It's true the MSM are doing a piss-poor job with the candidates concentrating on gossipy sensationalism rather than vital substance.

Spud found the entire tone of this debate to hopelessly cheerful and chummy like nobody was taking it seriously at all.

Except fer Ron Paul.

Be Well.

PS: Anderson Cooper is about to do a re-cap thingy. Spud's gonna go watch fer a bit.

Funny flag Larry. Damn, at least Ron Paul has an interesting profession. Although I would imagine you get tired of observing pussies in a clinical context day in and day out hours on end, especially if it's old pussy.

And speaking of pussy, if Ron is elected president he'll be able to deal with the pussy Dems who wont do anything to end the war.

"Great Post Hans!"

Thanks, Spud!

Hans

"When someone says "9/11 changed everything" that is called a figure of speech."

For some it is a figure of speech.

For others it is a hammer used to create fear and suspicion, to try to create an "us vs. them" divisive mentality in our own country, to excuse taking extraordinary liberties with our Constitution, to glorify shedding the blood of 10's of thousands of our young people on ever-shifting justifications.

The same cannot be said about Pearl Harbor and the effects of WWII.

So now Hans believes that pearl harbor changed the way the sun rises and sets. And changed the orbits of the moon and earth, etc, etc.

LOL

me thinks you got caught up in your own bullSh*t this time.

too funny.

"Hmmmm... if this is the best you can do. Then maybe Rudy was 100% right.

Come on ...you must be able to do better then that,"

Hmmm, this from a person who didn't like Clinton parsing words, like what the meaning of "is" is?

Well, maybe this one works better...

Obama: "Unfortunately, because of the distraction of Iraq, we have not finished the job in terms of making certain that we are driving back the Taliban (Islamic Fundamentalists!), stabilizing the Karzai government, capturing bin Laden and making sure that we've rooted out terrorism (terrorists!) in that region."

For others it is a hammer used to create fear and suspicion, to try to create an "us vs. them" divisive mentality in our own country, to excuse taking extraordinary liberties with our Constitution, to glorify shedding the blood of 10's of thousands of our young people on ever-shifting justifications.

That;s one way to look at it.

Another way too look at it is that 9/11 was an act of war, a call to arms, a wake-up call for our nation to change our entire approach towards "Islamic Fundamentalist terrorism" and terrorism in all its forms.

Anyone notice how Chris Mathews kept cutting the candidates off in mid answer even when their answers were short.

Very smart for a left winger. Cut them off so they can't make complete sentences. This makes the rest more nervous and more likely to fumble their words.

Good job Chris the dems will have a check out to you tomorrow.

"So now Hans believes that pearl harbor changed the way the sun rises and sets."

Probably makes no sense to not make such a public asshole of yourself, BowWow.

WWII affected six of the seven continents, including the inhabitants thereof.

"9/11" affected Americans profoundly.

But ask someone in South America or most of Europe or sub-Saharan Africa or India or Taiwan or....

... what "9/11" means to them and most would reply "nothing."

Too funny.

Hans

"And for the purposes of any political discussion about terrorism, our national identity, US foreign policy, or national defense -- 9/11 changed everything. And that is understood by all...ahem... almost all"

The Lie "9/11 changed everything" was used by BushCo to explain away all of the excesses that took place post 9/11.

It did change everything in the sense that using the lie allowed Cheney through his meat-puppet Boosh to turn the US into something less like a democracy and more like an Orwellian nightmare.

It was the lie that allowed them to turn the US into a torture state feared and disrespected around the world.

9/11 didn't change America.

Bush changed America.

For the worse.

Quit drinking the Kool-ade.

Be Well.

"... what "9/11" means to them and most would reply "nothing."

So much for "9/11 changed everything."

Hans

San, the point Rudy was making. And you are proving it. Is That the democrats do not and cannot comprehend the global threat of ""Islamic Fundamentalist terrorism" or to use another similar term "Islamo-fascism".

Your quote fromObama shows this clearly. Even though we are fighting al-quada, and Iran (by proxy) in Iraq, he views this only as a "distraction".

Obama doesn't get it. neither do any of the other dem candidates. In a very succinct and challenging way, Rudy was able to make this clear with his pointed comment.

I forget which candidate said it but -- while talking about the Bush corruption years -- he said that "Republicans came to change Washington but instead Washington ended up changing us."

own bullSh*t this time.

Bet ya really fooled Baby Jesus, there.

He'll never know what you really meant.


Anyway, speaking of calling Bullshit.

"Ron Paul and his 1933 brand of Isolationism is so out of touch with reality that he is coming off nuts."

Ron Paul is just reminding the other Reps that their party has lost it's way from it's original non-interventionist stance.

Bush ran on that very platform back in 1999." = Spudinator


You were called and then could only attack us as cowards.

How typical of you.

Careful, or you will realize you are full-fledged full of shit.

(Baby Jesus knows these words, and He told me I could use them)

Anyone notice how Chris Mathews kept cutting the candidates off in mid answer even when their answers were short....

Yeah, he was a little too fast in cutting off Tancredo at times but then Tancredo is a bit of a stutterer and not the best speechgiver at times.

Well said, Corky. Bow-wow is a stupid POS.

HEY!

Lube Job!

You owe me a keyboard!

FF for Lube Job.

"9/11 did not change the orbit of the moon around the earth, or the orbit of the earth around the sun.

9/11 did not change the beauty of the change of seasons.

9/11 did not change the sun rising in the east and setting in the west."

Hans

Posted by Hans at 2007-05-03 10:19 PM | Reply | Flag: "

"The same cannot be said about Pearl Harbor and the effects of WWII.

Hans

Posted by Hans at 2007-05-03 10:31 PM | Reply | Flag: "


LOL

Hey, you said it. I'm just posting your own quotes.

I almost feel like I'm pulling a "Hans" on you.

LOL

"Anyone notice how Chris Mathews kept cutting the candidates off in mid answer even when their answers were short"

Spud noticed that Chris Mathews was overly chummy and not serious enuff with all the candidates.

Spud noticed that almost all the Reps got to finish their sentences even after their time ran out.

Spud noticed that McCain was especially being a piggy there.

Spud noticed wot a lame bunch of softball questions got lobbed.

Spud is pissed at Mathews for doing such a crappy job, particularily when compared to Brian Williams, with the Dems last week.

And LWNJ thinks he saw signs of left wing media bias?!

ROTFLMSAO!!

Thanx fer the giggle there, wingNUT!

Did ya actually watch any of it or did Rush tell you say that?

BOR?

Yer neighbours talking dog?

Be Well.

I forget which candidate said it but -- while talking about the Bush corruption years -- he said that "Republicans came to change Washington but instead Washington ended up changing us."

Posted by CalifChris

I think it was Thompson.

And yes, that is accurate. They talk a good game but then disapoint.

Do any of you douchebags want to defend the morons who said they didn't belive in evolution?

Well, UFF..... Unintentional FF!

If I had to pick one -- it would be Duncan Hunter -- IF I had to pick one. He's all for getting rid of Bush's unfair free trade scams, he's against sending our jobs overseas, and he built the 70 miles of wall currently on the border above San Diego -- which cut crime and illegals pouring over the border by 90%. Prior to the wall being built crime and invasion had been insane down in that area.

Trouble is -- they are ALL for keeping the 'war on terror' going on forever except for Ron Paul.

"Your quote fromObama shows this clearly. Even though we are fighting al-quada, and Iran (by proxy) in Iraq, he views this only as a "distraction"."

You are so completely and utterly wrong, and I think somewhere deep inside you know it. That is a verbatim parrot of official Bush talking point #3.4.1, subparagraph B.

Obama knows, as does most of the rest of the nation by now, that we are fighting AQ in Iraq because Bush took his eye off the ball in Afghanistan. It should never have happened and we would be much farther along combating terrorism had it not happened.

"...our national identity..."

Funny that.

I don't think our "national identity" is defined by a so-called "pre-emptive" invasion of a country which had nothing to do with the attacks on our country.

I don't think our "national identity" is defined by extraordinary rendition.

I don't think our "national identity" is defined by the vilification of fellow Americans with "you're either with us or against us" rhetoric.

I do believe, however, that our national identity is ill-served by unmitigated assholes who think "9/11 changed everything."

Hans

Which of the candidates don't believe in evolution?

Duncan Hunter is B-1 Bob in tights.

A dangerous megalomaniacal jingoist of the worse kind.

Do any of you douchebags want to defend the morons who said they didn't belive in evolution?

Posted by Bill_OReilly at 2007-05-03 10:49 PM | Reply

I don't believe in Evolution either. If evolution were indeed fact we would have evolved into a kindler Gentler species by now.

Larry

"stick to drinking and leave the mental work to those with the tools to get the job done.

Posted by leftwingnutjob"

Thanks for laying out the criteria. I assume then, that we can expect you to recuse yourself from the discussion?

Kinder, gentler, deciderers all.

Corky, I answered the questions about Bush's timeline comment on another thread. If I remeber correctly you failed to answer my questions on that same thread.

Also, 9/11 did in fact change everything -- so policies supported on 9/10/2001 had to be compleely reevaluated after 9/11/2001.

And attempting to set a timeline for withdrawl of US troops in the middle of a conflict whose outcome is uncertain is a 'cowardly" response. Surrender and defeat when there are other options, is also a "cowardly ' response to the situation.

Do any of you douchebags want to defend the morons who said they didn't belive in evolution?

I believe God created evolution.

"Also, 9/11 did in fact change everything"

You're making an ass of yourself, BowWow.

9/11 did NOT change everything.

Hans

The question was about the isolationism you claimed hadn't existed since the 1930's, yet was used by Bush in 1999.

Don't try to change the subject.


As a matter of fact, you needn't really try at all, Loki.

After all, a man who can't own up to his past has little credibility anyway.

God created evolution?! Funny flag!

"Also, 9/11 did in fact change everything"

9/11 did NOT change everything.

9/11 did not change most American's lives, from getting up every morning to go to work, to paying the bills, to feeding the cats.

9/11 did not change the beauty of watching our nephews grow up, or the sadness of the final goodbyes as we buried our Mother.

9/11 did not change the joy of holidays spent with family, nor the special vacations at the beach.

9/11 did not change the every-3,000-mile oil change on the car and tire rotation.

9/11 did not change the enthusiasm on the faces of the incoming class of new students at work.

9/11 did not change the release of new software patches from Microsoft.

9/11 did not change the outcome of that once-a-year football rivalry with that "other" school.

9/11 did not change the routine of the every-other-week mowing and edging of the lawn.

9/11 did not change the twice-a-year visit to the dentist, or the annual visit to the dermatologist.

9/11 did not change the physical beauty of our country or the diversity of its people.

9/11 did not change the orbit of the moon around the earth, or the orbit of the earth around the sun.

9/11 did not change the beauty of the change of seasons.

9/11 did not change the sun rising in the east and setting in the west.

Yes, Americans have changed some behaviors and become more vigilant. We endure tighter security at the airport.

We remember each 9/11 anniversary and those who perished that day.

We honor the soldiers, sailors and Marines who protect us and those who have given their lives defending America, especially in the wake of 9/11. We mourn with the families of America's fallen heroes.

Yes, there are some things which changed on that fateful day.

But, no, 9/11 did NOT change EVERYTHING.

Hans

Bowa-
Bush has done more to enable radical Islamists that any one man on the planet. The world was behind us when we went after al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. The American peolpe were behind it as well. Iraq has divided this country, inflamed the world, served as a recruitment tool for radicals, weakened the US military, weakened the stature of the US, resulted in thousands of of US casualties, scores of thousands of dead Iraqi's, etc.

"Which of the candidates don't believe in evolution?"

Hard to say. It appeared about half of the candidates raised their hand, but unfortunately, there was no follow up.

"So now Hans believes that pearl harbor changed the way the sun rises and sets. And changed the orbits of the moon and earth, etc, etc."

If you can't deal with the substance of the debate and continue to make an idiot out of yerself with that kinda nonsense yer gonna lose wotever tiny shreds of credibility you managed to garner around here.

Ordinarily Spud would say "small loss there" and move on but the essential facts remain that Bush used the fear and anger on 9/12 to turn the American government from a democracy to a neo-facist state by employing the Big Lie "9/11 changed everything"

Yer inability to see or speak sense is getting to be almost legendary hereabouts.

Congrats.

You win the "Joey Goebells Medal of Free-dumb" fer yer efforts which comes with a 8X10 glossy of Bill O Rielly pleasuring himself with a loofa.

You must be sooooo proud!

Be Well.

"After all, a man who can't own up to his past has little credibility anyway."

Isn't that the truth.

Good call, Corky.

Hans

You're making an ass of yourself, BowWow.

You mean like this:

"9/11 did not change the orbit of the moon around the earth, or the orbit of the earth around the sun....

9/11 did not change the sun rising in the east and setting in the west."

Posted by Hans at 2007-05-03 10:19 PM | Reply | Flag: "

AND

"The same cannot be said about Pearl Harbor and the effects of WWII.

Posted by Hans at 2007-05-03 10:31 PM | Reply | Flag: "

Amen Brother Boyd, Amen. And fortunately, about 65% of the American people know the truth of what you said. Another 15% know it, but are too stubborn to admit it. And the last 20% are, well, Bowas.

"You mean like this:"

No.

Hans

You want to quell the spread of Terrorism?? Don't Perpetrate MORE Terrorism Yourself!!!!!! Violence begets Violence.

Larry

"You're making an ass of yourself, BowWow."

So what else is new?

And BOWOW,

When you depart your self-righteous persona just long enough to use a perfectly good thread to start calling what are, nominally, your hosts, "cowards" and intimate a lack a patriotism.... well, you really just aren't worth the effort, then are you?

"DethShrub, stick to drinking and leave the mental work to those with the tools to get the job done."

Hmmm Spud is consider ...the source.

Bwa hah hah hah hah hah hah hahahahah!

Thanx fer the giggle, oh "mental" one.

Too funny.

And no Spud is not gonna explain that one to you this time.

Ask a five year old to figure it out fer ya.

Be Well.

"And the last 20% are, well, Bowas."

AWOB means A Waste Of Bandwith.

Bowa is just a backwards-assed waste of bandwidth.

;^)

Be Well.

Oh and for fucks sake don't alienate Your Allies because You will need them more than they need You.

Larry

Bowser,
/>

You accused Ron Paul of displaying the isolation of the '30's when what he was displaying was the traditional Republican position..... forever.... including Bush in the late 90's.

You were wrong. Admit it.

Your Party was taken over by NeoCons.

Try and come to grips with it.

Reality is a terrible thing to waste.

Bill-
Acording to CrooksandLiars.com, it was Tancredo, Brownback and...um, Huckabee, I think.

If you can't deal with the substance of the debate and continue to make an idiot out of yerself with that kinda nonsense yer gonna lose wotever tiny shreds of credibility you managed to garner around here.

Look Spud, the substance of the debate is that the term "9/11 changed everything" is a figure of speech in the smae way that "When JFK was assasinated it changed everything" or "when RFK and ML King were assaisnted it changed everything" or "Pearl harbor Changed everything".

These are terms which succinctly describe an immediate shift in perception of the world around us.

As someone who lived thrugh 9/11, I now that shift was visceral and communal and our reaction to it has helped to form out individfual identities, and by extension our national identity.

Now whether or not, the fact that "9/11 changed everything" should have warranted the response it did by our governemnt is a debate that goes on to this day. But to try to ignore the effect 9/11 had and continues to have onthis nation is just ridiculous. made even more so by ridiculus posts like Hans' who thinks that when I said "9/11 changed everything' I meant the orbits of the moon and earth etc.

I was glad that I got the opportunity to pull a "hans" on hans" and throw his own dishonest form of arguemnt back in his face to show how dumb it really is.

In fact, if you were honest, you would admit that most of Hans revalations are just distortions and intellectually dishonest constructs meant to focus on the trite and the irrelevant in order to defelect from the real point being made.

"AND"

OMFG! Spud thinks Bowa thinks he's made a point.

He's so proud of it he even has taken to repeating it with a cut and paste!

Ya know...

One of these days Bowa is gonna figure out the difference between scoring a real debating point and making a fool out of himself.

Prolly not anytime soon, but Spud remains hopeful.

Nobody can stay that stupid ferever, can they?

Be Well.

I would certainly agree that 9/11 turned some people into sycophantic Bush-worshipping authoritarians who still have the unmitigated gall to refer to themselves as "conservatives".

"When JFK was assasinated it changed everything"

It didn't.

"when RFK and ML King were assaisnted it changed everything"

It didn't.

"Pearl harbor Changed everything"

It didn't... although the US entry into WWII (as a result of Pearl Harbor) affected more people around the world (touching six of the seven continents) than did 9/11.

Those who are honest easily recognize that.

Hans

"Bill-
Acording to CrooksandLiars.com, it was Tancredo, Brownback and...um, Huckabee, I think."

Thanks, Boyd. Now we know who the real knuckle draggers are.

You accused Ron Paul of displaying the isolation of the '30's when what he was displaying was the traditional Republican position..... forever.... including Bush in the late 90's.

Bush was never an isolationist. Just because he wanted Clinton to give a timeline for withdrawl drom Bosnia doesn'ty make him an isolationist.

Traditional consrvatives are isolationists and have alsways been. But I have never been a conservative, nor have I ever been an isolationist. I beleive in the global marketplace, and that are greatest exports are our culture, oour ideals refelcted in our constitution and declaration, and Capitalism, the idea of the "free market", and private enterprise.

While there have alsways been conservatives in the republican party with Ron Paul's point of view, they have not carried much weight for many decades.

"Tancredo, Brownback and...um, Huckabee, I think."

Known for now on as the 3 Stooges.

If there was a real debate, those 3 morons would have had to explain their idiotic denials of evolution.

While there have alsways been conservatives in the republican party with Ron Paul's point of view, they have not carried much weight for many decades.


Bullshit Bowow,

All we heard in the 90's from the GOP was fearful denunciations of Dems as "World Police", "Nation-builders", and dirty UN lovers.

I thought you at least knew something about politics, but I see you are willing to say anything to defend what you already said, no matter how trite, ignorant, or just divorced from reality that was.

and intimate a lack a patriotism...

Corky, I've done nothing of the sort. In fact I think the democrats who support the "cowardly' act of trying to set a timeline for withdrawl from a conflict whose outcome is yet uncertain believe they are doing the "patriotic' thing.

And I don't question that. I think they are patritoic. And they are doing it out of a love of country. But that doesn't mean, I still don't believe, its not a cowardly despicable act that would put this nation at even greater risk if they got their way.

Bowa-
I'm glad you agree that you are definitely not a conservative. That'll save some time.

WHAT you are Bowow, is a classic jingoist and near-Facsist PNACler.


The New World Order idea of stamping Americana on the ME is as naive as it is ignorant and deceitful.

"Now whether or not, the fact that "9/11 changed everything" should have warranted the response it did by our governemnt is a debate that goes on to this day"

There is no "fact" that 9/11 changed everything.

It was a terrible act of terrorism that should have never been allowed to occur.

It created a lot of fear and anger in the American people and that was legitimate.

It gave BushCo the right to hunt down and kill the folk responsible.

But that's it.

If GWB had simply gotten the job done that 9/11 demanded ie Capture and kill Bin Laden and remove the Taliban from power, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Instead Bush used the Big Lie that "9/11 changed everything" in order to change everything himself.

Including, invading a sovereign nation who were previously, a limited and contained threat, in order to allow western based oil interests into Iraq and to make Israel feel more secure.

The lie that changed everything included ripping up the constitution.

Torture around the globe.

Massive domestic spying programs at home.

Suspension of Habeus corpus.

Politicising the DOJ.

Billions stolen and no accountability.

America is creeping towards facism and theocracy under Bush.

Bushco has, indeed, "changed everything".

Bush blames those changes on 9/11 but he's lying again.

That's the truth.

Be Well.

Corky, I've done nothing of the sort. In fact I think the democrats who support the "cowardly' act of trying to set a timeline for withdrawl from a conflict whose outcome is yet uncertain believe they are doing the "patriotic' thing.

And I don't question that. I think they are patritoic. And they are doing it out of a love of country. But that doesn't mean, I still don't believe, its not a cowardly despicable act that would put this nation at even greater risk if they got their way.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-05-03 11:33 PM | Reply


Only a Piece of shit coward would continue to lose their Countryfolk in an Unwinnable situation. Only a Coward Piece of shit would allow More of their brothers and Sisters to die Needlessly. Only a cowardly Piece of shit would put their egos above the welfare of their Countryfolk.

Sincerely
Lawrence Mohr

I thought you at least knew something about politics, but I see you are willing to say anything to defend what you already said"

Corky, the republican party has not been defined as the isolationist party for a long time. As I said, there have always been elements in the GOP...but they haven't had any real defining voice in the party for decades.

The isolationist GOP reached it's defining apex in the 1920's and 30's after WW1 and before WW2.

Nowadays, the isolationism seems to be finding its definign voice within the democratic party who have found an unlikely alliance with traditonal conservatives like pat Buchanan and libertarian conservatives like Ron paul.

But to say Bush was an "isolationist" like a Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan is just simply not true.

Bowa-
re: Bush was never an isolationist.

Except perhaps when he declined duty overseas during a war he supported, among other instances.

Along with your denial of being a conservative, would you mind answering a few questions relating to this issue:

1. Do you believe the President has the right to indefinitely imprison US citizens and subject them to "alternative interrogation techniques" without charges, trial, representation, etc?

2. Do you believe the President has the authority to secretly spy on Americans without a warrant in contravention of US law?

3. How long will the GWOT last, in your estimation?

4. Do you believe that the Dept. of Justice should be a political arm of the party in power?

(perhaps more later)

Larry is correct.

Bush is the unpatriotic coward who thought he would do the war on the cheap without having to stop a tax cut.

GW is the one that sent just enough troops to lose, and sent them ill-equipped with no exit strategy, no real reason for going, and no competent management of the aftermath.

There is your traitorous coward.

Him and his sycophantic enablers and apologists.

"But to say Bush was an "isolationist" like a Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan is just simply not true."

Bush ran on a Party Platform that reflected the non-World Police, non-Nation-building, non-Big Government, non- Deficit Spending GOP policy.

We also have his own quotes at the time about requiring exit strategies and timetables..... oh, but that was when someone else was President.... right.



But you and Bush are Neos, jingoistic New World Order Crony Capitalists no better than the Chinese in your lack of international morals.

I thought the Republicans looked extremely weak tonight because Bush and Cheney have been the most corrupt and evil men to ever hold the Presidency and VP office in U.S. history and barely a whimper of disapproval -- over ANYTHING Bush has done -- left their lips.

These guys didn't have to rip Bush apart because he is their party's president but it was all soooooooo nicey nice to the point where NOT ONE OF THEM let me know whether they thought Bush had done anything wrong during the 6 years of massive Bush corruption and theft and war crimes or if these candidates would not be taking the same corrupt path themselves. Speak up guys -- if you can't say you disapprove of the world's most rotten president when you are trying to get voters to let you be the one to replace him -- most voters will walk away.

"Tancredo, Brownback and...um, Huckabee"

"STank-credo, Brownback Mountin', and Huckaberry Hound"?

Don't believe in the evolution?!

Too unevolved to continue in the race then, obviously.

After 8 years of the "Bush in the plastic bubble" another hard core reality disconnected moron in the WH would be a certain disaster.

Waiting for the return of the 12th Iman?
Waiting fe the return of Jesus?

Get yer freakin hands of the levers of power!

Be Well.

CC-
They are contending for the nomination from a dwindling base of Bush-bots, creationists, and ditto-heads. This is also why not a one of them has a real chance at winning in a national election.

1. Do you believe the President has the right to indefinitely imprison US citizens and subject them to "alternative interrogation techniques" without charges, trial, representation, etc?

If you are talking about "enemy combatants" which I believe you are. The answere is: US citizens. No. Non-Citizens. Yes
US citizens would need to be charged with treason and tried.

2. Do you believe the President has the authority to secretly spy on Americans without a warrant in contravention of US law?

During wartime, yes. But with strict parameters and congressional oversight. I think that during wartime, the Presidnet's powers expand greatly so that he can take drastic measure in defense of this nation and to prtotect the citizens. Lincoln suspending habeus corpus is an example.

3. How long will the GWOT last, in your estimation?

What does GWOT stand for?

4. Do you believe that the Dept. of Justice should be a political arm of the party in power?

To the extent that the President has the power to fill key positions with political appointees that serve at his discretion, the Dept of Justice is inherently political.

"But to say Bush was an "isolationist" like a Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan is just simply not true."

To say that Ron Pauls stated platforn of non-interventionism is isolationism is simply not true.

Bush ran on the non-interventionist platform, the traditional, GOP platform and then flip flopped.

Be Well.

2. Do you believe the President has the authority to secretly spy on Americans without a warrant in contravention of US law?

During wartime, yes. But with strict parameters and congressional oversight. I think that during wartime, the Presidnet's powers expand greatly so that he can take drastic measure in defense of this nation and to prtotect the citizens. Lincoln suspending habeus corpus is an example.

Sorry Wrong yet again. The only time He can subvert the constitution is if He SUSPENDS it in it's entirety. He can not pick and choose which Laws He wants to follow or not follow. Oh and Let Me also remind You LOKISFUR that the Supreme Court Rebuffed Lincoln on His suspension of Habeas Corpus. Gots to folows the constitution even during Wartime. Nice try yet again LOKISFUR.

Larry

Global
War
On
Terror

Larry

-Bush ran on the non-interventionist platform, the traditional, GOP platform and then flip flopped.


The whole Party flip-slipped into NeoConservatism, by choice.

The GOP committee that chose GW was headed by George Schultz and run by Condi Rice and Dick Cheney, who looked under every rock for a VP an found himself.

The Party Leadership went Neo, they just never got the memo out to their members.

Until it was too late.

Then there are others like Bowow, who either still haven't gotten the message or are in collusion with them.

Bowa-
If you are talking about "enemy combatants" which I believe you are. The answere is: US citizens. No. Non-Citizens. Yes
US citizens would need to be charged with treason and tried.

That's not the way the Bush administration sees it.(see Padilla)

During wartime, yes. But with strict parameters and congressional oversight. I think that during wartime, the Presidnet's powers expand greatly so that he can take drastic measure in defense of this nation and to prtotect the citizens. Lincoln suspending habeus corpus is an example.

We are not in a declared war. There has been no congressional oversight until this year. Lincoln was in the middle of a freakin' civil war.

What does GWOT stand for?

Global war on terror

To the extent that the President has the power to fill key positions with political appointees that serve at his discretion, the Dept of Justice is inherently political.

Should this include the hiring and firing of USA's based upon whether they indict too many Republicans or too few Democrats on command from the political arm of the WH? (Keep in mind that all of the USA's in the news are Bush appointees, though it seems that some were not "loyal bushies")

I see Boyd is batting clean-up.


Wash your hands when you are done.

Nite ya'll.

3. How long will the GWOT last, in your estimation?

In my mind, GWOT means the war against Islamo-fascism.

I have no idea how long it will last.

I believe that the key to defeating it is thorugh the spread of democracy and freedom, and all those ideals which this country was founded on.

I believe that the key to defeating it is thorugh the spread of democracy and freedom, and all those ideals which this country was founded on.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-05-04 12:15 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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You are delusional Lokisfur. You can not spread Democracy and Your "Brand" of Freedom to those whom don't want it. Remember Democracy comes from within NOT from the Barrel of a Gun. Oh and it is Highly Immoral to force Your beliefs upon another Country. Just wrong on so many levels. Do try again

Larry

Bowa makes a terribly important point.

Invading Iraq for its oil is at least as important to the country as keeping it united through an occasional civil war.

Lincoln was such an important President for keeping the United in United States of America that they named a car after him.

How appropriate considering what Bush has had to go up against to save American oil, under the sands in Iraq.

We all want the best for America. We get it by ditching habeus corpus and saving the nation from being split asunder.

Asunder as in the giga-wealthy being split asunder from their ever growing gulf between them and average Americans.

I can't wait for the "Bush" line of family automotive vehicles to hit our showrooms. Once again we honor those Presidents who have saved the country by fighting Confederates, or fighting to save American oil in foreign lands for our consumption, by naming a car line after them.

I hope the Bush gets a mile a gallon in tribute to his genius. And for getting rid of habeus corpus just in time.

My hat is off to you Bowa. Astonishing truthiness in an ocean of facts and misleading knowledge of the truth of the matter.

Bowa-
I believe that the key to defeating it is thorugh the spread of democracy and freedom

Such as the freedom for a citizen not to be spied upon without a warrant, or to be locked up indefinitely and tortured all without charges or a trial?

Also, an earlier statement of yours REALLY troubles me. You have stated that you see no problem with the President doing pretty much whatever he wants, the law be damned, and you also state that you have no idea when the GWOT will end.

I'm relieved that you were clear about the fact that you weren't a conservative. I agree.

...and all those ideals which this country was founded on....

...which you have no respect for, and little understanding of.

later all

Mr Cairo sez about Bowas postage...

"Astonishing truthiness in an ocean of facts and misleading knowledge of the truth of the matter."

Agreed.

Truthiness, spin, illogic, lies and obfuscations are Bowas stock in trade.

Why does Spud spend so much time deconstructing Bowas spin?

Sommat Charles Darwin once sed...

"To kill an error is as good a service as, and sometimes even better than, the establishing of a new truth or fact."

9/11. Did. Not. Change. Everything.

Bush did.

Be Well.

Quite simply there's no question that Bush and Cheney think the more draconian the measure the better we are protected. And yet our borders remain open and our ports vulnerable.

{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}}
WHO WON THE REAGAN DERBY?

Brownback
2% 1,128
Gilmore
2% 781
Giuliani
21% 10,176
Huckabee
4% 1,932
Hunter
3% 1,477
McCain
6% 3,052
Paul
16% 7,825
Romney
35% 17,085
Tancredo
5% 2,606
Tommy Thompson
7% 3,303

Total Votes: 49,365

Considering that the Drudge REPORT leans right I'd say that Ron Paul is doing pretty well on this poll coming from the back of the pack.

Romney was the best of the group in this debate and is clearly very hated on this thread. I haven't seen any good reasons yet though... seems like the criticisms against him are that (1) he's Mormon or (2) he's inexperienced.

Ripping on him for Mormonism is silly and bigoted. Ripping on him for inexperience is simply inaccurate.

Not saying Romney's a great candidate, but I think you discredit yourself when you go after him w/that kind of ammo.

I dislike Romney because he always rips on Mass. even though he chose to live and raise his children there.

The hunting thing hurt his credibility as well.

Romney was the best of the group in this debate and is clearly very hated on this thread. I haven't seen any good reasons yet though... seems like the criticisms against him are that (1) he's Mormon or (2) he's inexperienced

He's a flip flopper pandering to the right

If the GOP makes abortion an issue in the election I'm gonna puke.

What do they do to help women who have babies? 34% are out of wedlock.

Yet, the GOP wants to slash social programs.

They've successfully made 'pro-life' and oxymoron

Incognito -- I understand where you're coming from. While I don't think either is a big deal, I think both actions by Romney have and/or will turn some people off to him.

AllAmerican -- His flip flops are exaggerated. Abortion is really the only direct flip flop I've seen (and I've read all of his other supposed flip flop statements). He seems to have a reasonable explanation for that (though his timing is suspect).

In any case, it's doubtful that he can get the Repub nod, so it's not like anyone needs to worry about him.

Romney plays to the audience. He reminds me of a guy who sold insurance. I really think he's traded integrity for ambition, and his hunting "experiences" make me gag.

OYOH, Ron Paul made it into the SC debate, and I hope people start listening to him. He's the only candidate I can vote for without reservation.

Considering that the Drudge REPORT leans right I'd say that Ron Paul is doing pretty well on this poll coming from the back of the pack.

I would bet that Democrats flooded the drudgereport poll with votes for paul.

Boyd and spud, I do not believe that the enhanced interrogaiton techniques used by the CIA agaisnt some of the high value enemy combatants are "torture" in the wya people understand torrture to be. That they have been used to grreat effect nad may have saved countless American lives cannot be overlooked.

I am against the conventinal forms of torture that make the word 'torture" such a horror -- beatings, inflicting long lasting physial damage, loss of limbs, or life -- in short the kind of abuse that Saddam regularly inflicted on his prisoners.

When the US starts to make videos of beheadings of captured enemy combatants or starts using a wood chipper to interrogate prisoners, then I will believe that the US has lost the moral high ground in this area.

Until then, we are in a war -- and if we can prevent anotehr 9/11 from happening by throwing some water in a guys face so he gives up information -- then I am all for it.

These "techniques" have been used to "great effect"?

Um, the CIA warned bush not to use intel gained from an al qaeda operative they tortured, but bush used it anyway.

Under torture, the al qaeda guy told the CIA osama and saddam worked together. Torture doesn't work, the victim tells you what you want to hear, true or not.

It would take a wood chipper to lose the moral ground? Are you fucking kidding me? How about rape, murder, and threatening to rape/kill children in front of their parents didn't do it for you...I don't see how a wood chipper is gonna seal the deal, Bowa.

We're already in unamerican territory here, it's just a matter of degree.

Democrats flooded the drudgereport poll with votes for paul.

He certainly appeals to the true conservatives of which there are many in Democratic Party.

Of course most of the gun-toting blue-collar country boys I know are Independents who have no fondness for fools like you.

Your problem BowWow is that think all the Democrats are big city liberals, aside from the fact that you're a Bushy Butt Baby.

Got your Rudy thong on today?

Rudy thong...*shudder*

I wonder if Rudy's new mistress is wearing one? You should ashamed of yourself, loki...you're pathetic.

Maybe he has two...
Ugh.

That's twice as wrong!

BW - TThompson called in to CNN this morning to say he misheard the question on firing a gay employee and got his answer wrong.

Now I must go over to Matt D's site and vote for Paul or Bowa will be a liar again.

Anyone that wears politcal statements by their genitals should be sterilized.

He certainly appeals to the true conservatives of which there are many in Democratic Party.

I believe that anti-war liberal Democrats and traditional "buchanan" Republican conservatives share an isolationist philosophy which makes them strange befellows to say the least.

But they are not "conservative" democrats.

As for the poll, it was open to all bloggers visiting drudge.

Since Ron Paul scored few points with Republicans in the debate (or even the pundits who talked about it afterwards, they didn't mention his name once) , his strong showing on the drudgereport poll must be attributed to something else -- isolationist democrats who agree with his position on the war.

Anyone that wears politcal statements by their genitals should be sterilized.

In BowWow's case it isn't necessary.

Neither of his balls dropped.

But he is a Rudy-Two-tee kinda guy.

No doubt about that.

Yeah, fred thompson can be the absentee winner of ALL the debates!

If you going to believe in idiocy like bowa...at least write it yourself.

we heard less from Rudy Giuliani than we did from Ron Paul.

Maybe Rudy should have worn a short skirt with stiletto heels. That always gets the boys' attention.

OMFG! I had seen some of those, but not all. THIS is what Bush, Rummy, Gonzales and Cheney have allowed our country to become.

Apparently some "patriotic" Americans like Bowa can live with this, and even find a way to spin it to sound sort of benign. But that is not patriotism, it is being an accessory after the fact.

Bowa, if you cannot denounce this and hang your head in shame for ever defending an administration who not only condones it, but revels in it, then you are beyond redemption.

Boyd and spud, I do not believe that the enhanced interrogaiton techniques used by the CIA agaisnt some of the high value enemy combatants are "torture" in the wya people understand torrture to be. That they have been used to grreat effect nad may have saved countless American lives cannot be overlooked.

I am against the conventinal forms of torture that make the word 'torture" such a horror -- beatings, inflicting long lasting physial damage, loss of limbs, or life -- in short the kind of abuse that Saddam regularly inflicted on his prisoners.

When the US starts to make videos of beheadings of captured enemy combatants or starts using a wood chipper to interrogate prisoners, then I will believe that the US has lost the moral high ground in this area.

Until then, we are in a war -- and if we can prevent anotehr 9/11 from happening by throwing some water in a guys face so he gives up information -- then I am all for it.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-05-04 07:11 AM | Reply

LOKISFUR You have just forfeitted Your right to declare Yourself a Patriotic American(Well You did that sometime ago by KowTowing to Dubya)When You condone Your Government to torture You have lost Your Country's soul and also You have lost all right to condemn Your "Enemy" When they do the same. God it must royally suck to be YOU LOKISFUR

Larry

I think they should remake an action movie ala "Die Hard" or "Lethal Weapon" but only use the the "enhanced interrogation techniques" which the democrats find so horrible for the torture scenes.

It will be a comedy of course.

I mean, with Bruce Willis strapped in a chair complaining how chilly it is in the room, and yelling"Please, I beg you don't pur that 8 oz. of water on my face, I'll drown!!!!!"

We should be grateful that the US has been able to develop and use techniques which pressure enemy ocmbatants into giving up information which saves american lives while not causing lasting damage.

"We should be grateful that the US has been able to develop and use techniques which pressure enemy ocmbatants into giving up information which saves american lives while not causing lasting damage."

And you base the assumption that the damage done in those photographs was not "lasting" on what, exactly? And of course you also well know that many of the prisoners at Abu Ghraib, and Gitmo have been released because it turned out they were NOT enemy combatants, and were, in fact, innocent of any wrong doing.

May God have mercy on your soul, if even He can find it. You are a disgusting and despicable excuse for a human being. Shame!

Bowa

We all know you'd be the biggest weenie of all if you were subjected to 1/10th of the torture you support.

Ted, if you sat Bowa down in a chair, tied his feet to its legs, strapped his arms to its arms, and slapped a cheerleader's panties on top of his head he'd crack like an ostrich egg dropped from the Sears Tower.

Doc

That's almost exactly what I had in mind for him. That's all it would take for him to look for the ACLU.

Bowa- Maybe bruce Willis would like a chemical light up his ass.

"Ted, if you sat Bowa down in a chair, tied his feet to its legs, strapped his arms to its arms, and slapped a cheerleader's panties on top of his head he'd crack like an ostrich egg dropped from the Sears Tower."

Right after he experienced the most intense spontaneous orgasm of his miserable live.

SANS

You got the sanitized version. I have those and dozens more on a DVD . . . hundreds of DVDs . . . which I distribute for free up and down the United States, where ever I go.

Am I rotten son of a bitch? You bet I am!

People have a right to know and never forget what the New Conservative Party stands for.

I think they should remake an action movie ala "Die Hard*" or "Lethal Weapon*" but only use the the "enhanced interrogation techniques" which the democrats find so horrible for the torture scenes.

*because Hollywood is real life.

Brigadier General Patrick Finnegan visited the set of the FOX show, 24, to voice concerns over the depiction of torture in the hit series. More specifically, the military is criticizing the use of torture, which is illegal, to gather information from captives, claiming that no good information comes from torture, and more importantly, that the torture is having detrimental effects on young troops.

"Repubs Debate Tonight in California"

Morning after headline: "Empty Suits on Parade."

"Morning after headline: 'Empty Suits on Parade.'"

Except, of course, the faaabulous Mitt Romney who was coiffed and manscaped to the 9's. I vote we dub him "Candidate McDreamy".

The rest - a casting call for the remake of Grumpy Old Men.

Right, San Antone. Romney's just the kind of snake oil salesman a lot of our fellow citizens is really, really---no, really---trying to help them.

How many of those mutts raised their hands to indicate they didn't believe in evolution?

"our fellow citizens think is..."

Mike,

Sorry I wasn't hear earlier last night was my B-Day and after watching the debate I proceded right to the party. Thanks for holding the fort for me though.

My biggest disapointment with RP was that he was not agressive enough. I did like the protect Habeus Corpus line, especialy since I emailed him on that question so it fealt like he was answering me.

The best was the ID card as they go down the line everyone is all hot for it, get to RP and he gives a strong no then on the next question everyone has to clarify that they did not mean ID cards for citizens (yeah right).

RP won the debate in the sense that he will see by far the biggest boost to poll #'s from it. Romeny won in the sense that he came off looking very good especialy in comparison to McCain who is now out of the race (sorry John but you blew it)

Thanks, Yav. Like he saw "the hand of god" in evolution. It would comport with his idiotic performance start-stop-start riff about the Grand Canyon.

"Right after he experienced the most intense spontaneous orgasm of his miserable live."

Very funny post.

Hans

McCain will be nearly 73 at the next inauguration. Do the Republicans really want a 1 term President, or one that would be 81 years old if he makes it to the end of a second term?

Did we not learn that lesson with "Gampy" Reagan?

Maybe things will shake more out as the field narrows and we get closer to the actual nomination, but last night there was not one single new, fresh, or exciting idea among any of the serious candidates.

"Ted, if you sat Bowa down in a chair, tied his feet to its legs, strapped his arms to its arms, and slapped a cheerleader's panties on top of his head he'd crack like an ostrich egg dropped from the Sears Tower."


LOL

off to work now ..with that image in my head.

too funny.

That's because they don't have any new or exciting ideas, San Antone. As I watched and listened---my attention wandering almost as much as Bush's does---I thought: "Where's Bob Dole? Oh, one of these guys is going to get to play Bob Dole (provided the Dems don't screw it up, which is a feat even they are capable of performing)."

The only two that concern me are Giuliani, because of his ability to motivate the fascist groupies, and Romney, because of his appeal to those suceptible to the Dale Carnegie treatment. But the rest? Third-raters. And damn dull, to boot.

My guess is that this morning Thompson and Gingrich are patting themselves on the back for not getting mixed up in that gaggle.

if you sat Bowa down in a chair

Better to sit him on the potty because he would shit himself and then something besides his personality would stink.

last night was my B-Day

Happy Birthday Tao.

Hope you got something good.

I usually celebrate with fine bottle of whiskey.

Gave up the scotch in favor of Kentucky Spirit. Single barrel 101 proof Wild Turkey. That and a blow job and I'm a happy man.
LOL

What does it say about someone who could look at the photos posted by Twinpac and keep on defending "enhanced interrogaiton techniques" and not even feel a twinge of shock or disgust? But he can pop back on for a few seconds to breezily post -

"LOL

off to work now Posted by Bowa "

The only comfort I can take is that Karma's a bitch man.

Skipped right past the BJ Mike and went for the main course.

That and some TGIFridays Mudslide made for a fun evening.

Took today off to recover from the hangover and I must conclude that I did not drink enough since the hangover is pretty mild. Next year I will have to try harder.

Amzaing what the news is saying about RP this morning. I'm starting to wonder if he was even at the debate. Funny since at the debate he did a good job of forcing his issues. It just blows my mind that there can be such a dichotomy between what happens and what is reported.

IN Bowoworld,

one must believe in gunboat diplomacy, nay, missile-based Democracy, New World Order Crony Capitalism spread throughout 3rd world countries by force, if necessary.

And to hell with the havoc it reeks on their cultures.

The Founding Fathers must be rolling in their graves.

RP still holding strong in 3rd on the Druge Report poll.

Good at least he will get the attention to stay in the game and guide future debates.

We should be grateful that the US has been able to develop and use techniques which pressure enemy ocmbatants into giving up information which saves american lives while not causing lasting damage.

That kind of sentiment sounds better in the original German.

"That kind of sentiment sounds better in the original German."

Wickedly funny, RCade.

Hans

Wir sollten dankbar sein, dass die Vereinigten Staaten im Stande gewesen sind, zu entwickeln und Techniken zu verwenden, welch Druck-Feind-Kmpfer ins Aufgeben der Information, die amerikanische Leben spart, anhaltenden Schaden nicht verursachend.

Robert Byrd is a racist PROVEN

Well hello J unior J uvenile D elinquent J erkoff.

Get out your round tipped scissors and your jar of paste and get ready to post all "your" deep thoughts.

I am repeating my request for a transcript link. Anyone have one, I'm not having any luck with the damn intarwebs.

This might help explain where all Bush's confusion comes from:

A report published recently by the Lovenstein Institute of Scranton, Pennsylvania, detailed its findings of a four month study of the intelligence quotient of President George W. Bush. Since 1973, the Lovenstein Institute has published its research to the educational community on each new president, which includes the famous "IQ" report among others.

There have been twelve presidents over the past 50 years, from F.D. Roosevelt to G.W. Bush, who were rated based on scholarly achievements:

1. Writings that they produced without aid of staff.

2. Their ability to speak with clarity, and several other psychological factors, which were then scored using the Swanson/Crain System of intelligence ranking.

The study determined the following IQs of each president as accurate to within five percentage points.

In order by presidential term:
147 .. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
132 .. Harry Truman (D)
122 .. Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
174 .. John F. Kennedy (D)
126 .. Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
155 .. Richard M. Nixon (R)
121 .. Gerald Ford (R)
175 .. James E. Carter (D)
105 .. Ronald Reagan (R)
098 .. George Bush (R)
182 .. William J. Clinton (D)
091 ... George W. Bush (R)

I see a downward trend in the IQ's of Republican presidents, don't you? I say, run the one who can beat Reagan or either Bush's IQ's

"I say, run the one who can beat Reagan or either Bush's IQ's"

Ok so that would be... uh, no, not him... maybe... oh, nope... then how about, ummm. well, no.

Crap, they're screwed!

SANANTONIOROGUE

I'm starting to get why Bush 41 didn't like Broccoli:

Jealousy

(you know....dumber than a stalk of broccoli)

Same reason W. doesn't like pretzels anymore, AA!

ALLAMERICAN

Let's don't forget that the guy who came up with the "legal" justification for torture is still walking around loose in Washington D.C.

His name is ALBERTO GONZALES.

Hans wrote,

"Wickedly funny, RCade.

Hans"

Nice asskiss Hans.

UnAmerican, the bullshit you posted has nothing to do with an I.Q. test.

I recently read an article about the intelligence test that George Bush took while in the nation guard and how it was compared to a similiar test John Kerry took in the military. It show Bush had a higher intelligence level than Kerry.

The fact is that neither the article I am quoting nor your bullshit is a real I.Q. test.

Certainly Bill Clinton would be nowhere close to 182 either.

Your little bullshit propoganda piece is the same usuall spin and lies dems try all the time.

Un American, what is your I.Q.?

Real numbers please no fuzzy math.

All American you got caught trying to post a clearly made up story.

You wanted it to be true so bad that the truth didn't matter.

This is whats wrong with the democrat party!

LEFTWINGNUTJOB

It was obviously a lure, and you were reeled right in.

Thanks !!

Uhm, way too late leftnutwackjob. That was established quite some time earlier. It was also established that AA was just having a little fun at the Deciderer's expense. I know its hard trying to keep up with the grown-up conversation here.

Thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you. Johnny, tell him what he's won...

NO All American you tried to pass this bullshit off as real and got caught.

I wonder how many more of your references here are made up?

"Nice asskiss Hans."

Let's see:

I compliment someone here (who just happens to be the owner of this site).

That person is not my boss.

That person does not write my paycheck.

That person cannot promote, demote or fire me.

That person is not related to me in any way, shape or form.

So, tell us, leftwingtesticlejob:

How was my compliment an "asskiss"?

(This should be interesting.)

Hans

Twinpac,

The abuses in Abu Ghraib have an eerie similarity to abuses that took place in the Texas penal system while GWB was Governor.

Bush knows that the "America" he claims to know is myth. As Governor of Texas, he had signed the final orders for the execution of 152 prisoners in five years. His prisons held women in "detention trailers," where, under the hot sun of Texas, the guards did not allow them water. According to the Texas Prison Labour Union and various human rights groups, the prison guards in a number of Texas prisons sexually assaulted prisoners, beat them, forced them to crawl in the dirt, set dogs on them and shot them with stun guns. In 1999, a U.S. Judge found that Texas prisons cultivate a "culture of sadistic and malicious violence". This was while Bush was Texas' Governor. Much of this behaviour is not only abhorrent, but also illegal. Nevertheless, the American jailers understand such practices as routine, or else they would not be this widespread

"NO All American you tried to pass this bullshit off as real and got caught"


Catfish to fisherman, after lunging at the rubber worm and swalling the whole enchilada...hook, line and sinker: "Hey, Mr. Fisherman, you tried to pass this bullshit off as real and got caught."

Fisherman to catfish: "Uh huh. Guess you caught me on that one, little fella. Hey, Ma! Catfish for dinner!"

Hans, Lurchy misspoke. He thought you worked for Rogers, so he assumed with that misimpression in mind that your behavior mirrored his at his "place of work." Hey, mistakes were made.

Spud,


The problem I have with your quote is that it's not sourced - you provided a link but your source didn't source their claims.

I am not necessarily saying it isn't true, but I would like to know where your source got its information from.

JEFFJ

You must have missed it. The source is directly below the quote.

www.hinduonnet.com

according to post debate polls on MSNBC, Paul DID win. GO Ron Paul! A voice of reason in a desert of lies.

Twinpac,

I saw the source and clicked the link.

The problem was with the source itself. Usually articles of that nature have footnotes. I didn't see any. Spud's source could be making shit up for all I know. Just because it's on the internet, doesn't mean that it's in context, much less factually correct.

"RP still holding strong in 3rd on the Drudge Report poll."

Spud went to MSNBC today before hitting the Retort.

They got a little e-poll thing where you can say who won and who lost points last night and check a running total.

Only two folk were above 30%

Mitt Romney and Ron Paul.

Spud put an uptick on RP.

Spud gave a down-tick to the "gang of Three"

ie. "Brownback Mountin', Huckaberry Hound, and Stank-credo"

The knuckle dragging evolution deniers.

Now Romney and Paul showing up 1 and 2 in the MSNBC poll is fun fer Spud fer a coupla reasons.

First, Cos Spud totally called it!

Woo Hoo!

Spud is prognosticating pundit extrodinairre!

Secondly, cos Bowa spend an over-obvious amount of time trying to counter the assertions that Ron Paul was making, even to the point of cut & pasting a "National Review" "article which tried saying he was "crazy" and the nights biggest "embarrassment" beside Thompson.

The two embarrassments were Tommy Thompson and Ron Paul. Thompson's takeaway was that he doesn't oppose firing people for being gay, while Ron Paul's was his insistence on answering every question with a discourse on the original intent of the Constitution. Both of them should understand their roles as the GOP's Crazy Uncle Bobs and return to the attic forthwith

Spud,


You like Ron Paul?


That surprises me.

Let me rephrase that....


I am not surprised that you like Ron Paul; he's a very respectable man.

I am surprised that you don't view his politics as disastrous - he's essentially a Libertarian which is completely contrary to your big-government, political outlook.

JeffJ

It's hard not to like RP for either side. See the big advantage of a small government libertarian is he didn't vote for anything you didn't like. Of course the flip side is he didn't vote for anything you liked either.

I'm just glad that Ron Paul got the face time, and the chance to influence the tone of the debate. He will also be in the May 15th debate as well. I hope he listens to me again (the habeus corpus comment) and makes an even stronger showing.

And before you scream at Spud fer posting sommat from common dreams let Spud just point sommat out to you. Just because it's not from some conventioanl Mainstream Corporate Media doesn't make less credible as some RTs here haff insisted.


I wouldn't scream at you for citing Commondreams. Even biased sources are capable of quality investigative work.


I've heard the rumors, but seek substantiation.


I may very well be wrong on this, but my understanding is that it's the state Legislature that is responsible for the prisons, not the governor. I seem to remember that coming up in a debate with Jesse Ventura - although Minnesota's state constitution may have a different Constitutional breakdown regarding prisons than Texas.

Bush has been a sadistic bastard all his life.

Midland, TX . . Animal People, July/Aug 2000 with quotes from Terry Throckmorton, Bush's boyhood pal.

"`We were terrible to animals,' recalled [Bush pal Terry] Throckmorton, laughing. A dip behind the Bush borne turned into a small lake after a good rain, and thousands of frogs would come out. `Everybody would get BB guns and shoot them,' Throckmorton said. `Or we'd put firecrackers in the frogs and throw them and blow them up."

Doesn't it always start with cruelty to animals?

Bowa-
re: When the US starts to make videos of beheadings of captured enemy combatants or starts using a wood chipper to interrogate prisoners, then I will believe that the US has lost the moral high ground in this area.

Damn!