Redlight,

What has that to do with the subject at hand?

OCU

Redlight,
What has that to do with the subject at hand?
OCU
Posted by oldCADuser at 2007-05-02 04:47 PM

She couldn't sign the loyalty oath? Pooh!

The public ridicule of it all!

Also, fuck in the ear administrative decisions that hurt the vets, put limits on care provided and cheapen the social outcry for their well-being. Let them listen to a Willey Nelson versus Ted Nugent dueling concerts!

"Let's get super-fucking high on the ganja and go shake our titties in traffic!" Lauren & Audrey, Lucent TTS

Joan Baez -- one of the best folksingers ever

Almost none of the personnel working or patients in Walter Reed were even alive in the 60's/early 70s when she 'did her thing'. However, once you've earned the scorn of an entire organization (in this case, the military) - there is a 'corporate memory'. Fonda need not apply also.

Even if/when people forgive, they rarely forget.

Baez Blocked from Walter Reed Performance

Good.

Fucking hippie.

I hope it stings.

What has that to do with the subject at hand?

Who gives a fuck? It's Sting!

Army's still mad at Joan Baez?

Refused to let her play to wounded vets at WR?

Bunch of Pussies.

Be Well.

So now they're afraid of a woman with a guitar? I imagine they would veto Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger, Dylan, Phil Ochs, and all those other "fellow travelers" who try to enlighten us with song. Did the officials let the vets vote, or did they make their decision in the vets' "best interest"? Bunch of moral and intellectual cowards.

It is understandable a military - any military - would be reluctant to have its wounded soldiers exposed to a pacifict message.

The ancient Romans understood this very well. They acted accordingly when a certain Jesus of Nazareth was stirring things up.

If Jesus Christ descended to earth today, he would also be banned from the Walter Reed concert. Can you imagine Him walking around urging people to turn the other cheek and love their enemies? To remember that it is easier for a man to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven? Jesus message was a radical one, which is why so many right wing preachers have chosen to warp it to please the wealthy and powerful.

Maybe they'll ask Judy Collins to attend. She can sing "Send In The Clowns".

Looking at the current administration running our government the words "don't bother....they're here" have never been more true!

My goodness, the US Army quakes in its boots at the very idea of Joan Baez singing to men and women who've been injured in an unnecessary war? How many divisions has Joan Baez got?

Joan Baez, one scarey female. Might sing a song that suggests something radical, that war is bad, or something. Wouldn't want wounded vets to know that.

I'm fascinated by the still very large group that thinks it's immoral not to be just as vicious as you can get.

Interesting we let such frank sociopaths be in charge for so long. On the plus side, Time magazine no longer lists George Bush as influential.

Joan Baez and John Mellencamp on the same ticket? For free? What moron would turn that down?

I agree with a previous poster. Just how many divisions does this Baez person have? Why is the Army afraid?

BLESSED ARE...
(Words and Music by Joan Baez)

Blessed are the one way ticket holders
on a one way street.
Blessed are the midnight riders
for in the shadow of God they sleep.
Blessed are the huddled hikers
staring out at falling rain,
wondering at the retribution
in their personal acquaintance with pain.
Blessed are the blood relations
of the young ones who have died,
who had not the time or patience
to carry on this earthly ride.
Rain will come and winds will blow,
wild deer die in the mountain snow.
Birds will beat at heaven's wall,
what comes to one must come to us all.

For you and I are one way ticket holders
on a one way street.
which lies across a golden valley
where the waters of joy and hope run deep.
So if you pass the parents weeping
of the young ones who have died,
take them to your warmth and keeping
for blessed are the tears they cried
and many were the years they tried.
Take them to that valley wide
and let their souls be pacified.


The pen is mightier than the sword, eh?

I just knew there had to be some lyrics coming soon......and why should they allow her in there.......she needs to face it....her time is up......and her genre of music has run its course and can anyone tell me of a song from that genre that is still played, or in other words stood the test of time..

blowing in the wind.....sure

puff the magic dragon......,maybe.....

Hey BLT,

How about something novel.

Instead of typing first and thinking after, try doing it backasswards.

'K?

My goodness, the US Army quakes in its boots at the very idea of Joan Baez singing to men and women

My Goodness the Democratic Party quakes in its boots at the very idea of a pro-life Dem speaking to them at their convention.

Jus' fer you, Clintonlover


DIAMONDS AND RUST
(Words and Music by Joan Baez)

Well I'll be damned
Here comes your ghost again
But that's not unusual
It's just that the moon is full
And you happened to call
And here I sit
Hand on the telephone
Hearing a voice I'd known
A couple of light years ago
Heading straight for a fall

As I remember your eyes
Were bluer than robin's eggs
My poetry was lousy you said
Where are you calling from?
A booth in the midwest
Ten years ago
I bought you some cufflinks
You brought me something
We both know what memories can bring
They bring diamonds and rust

Well you burst on the scene
Already a legend
The unwashed phenomenon
The original vagabond
You strayed into my arms
And there you stayed
Temporarily lost at sea
The Madonna was yours for free
Yes the girl on the half-shell
Would keep you unharmed

Now I see you standing
With brown leaves falling around
And snow in your hair
Now you're smiling out the window
Of that crummy hotel
Over Washington Square
Our breath comes out white clouds
Mingles and hangs in the air
Speaking strictly for me
We both could have died then and there

Now you're telling me
You're not nostalgic
Then give me another word for it
You who are so good with words
And at keeping things vague
Because I need some of that vagueness now
It's all come back too clearly
Yes I loved you dearly
And if you're offering me diamonds and rust
I've already paid

Sorry, no one is quaking in their boots. If no one wants to book old washed up stalinist such as Joan Baez and John Mellencamp, so be it. If they want to hear lies about Vietnam, they can invite Senator Kerry.

Soldiers are mostly young men. I don't know if Joan Baez actually pays attention to her audiences, but she's dellusional if she thinks she's popular with this demographic. What would make her think these guys would consider her show a treat?

What would make her think these guys would consider her show a treat?

Posted by Sully

maybe the same rationalization the administration uses to continue thinking this is a right war..

"maybe the same rationalization the administration uses to continue thinking this is a right war.."

The war is probably about money.

Realizing that young people don't listen to Joan Baez isn't a pro-Iraq War stance, Geezer. You can be against the war and still disagree with other people who are against the war. Thinking is good.

You don't have to go back to Vietnam to see she is a downer for the troops.

She camped out along with Cindy Sheehan in Crawford--protesting.

Blah blah blah.

Murphy

Joan Baez, American heroine. Along with Betsy Ross, Jane Fonda, Cindy Sheehan and Barbara Lee. Embodying more humanity than Bush, Cheney, Rove, Gonzo, Condi and the entire White House mafia rolled into one. herm

In this time of perpetual war, peace and love are forbidden topics for the army.

Soldiers are mostly young men. I don't know if Joan Baez actually pays attention to her audiences, but she's dellusional if she thinks she's popular with this demographic. What would make her think these guys would consider her show a treat?

Posted by Sully at 2007-05-03 10:21 AM

Apparently the Army thought that John Mellencamp's show would be a 'treat' and it was HE who then invited her to join him on stage. She didn't go to the Army demanding that she be given a slot.

Besides, the issue is not whether "she's popular with this demographic" as "this demographic", as you so affectionately refer to them, are YOUNG AMERICAN MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN WOUNDED IN BATTLE.

Now I don't know about you, but if I were laid-up in a military hospital after leaving a few of my body-parts on some foreign battlefield and someone came to me and said that I was invited to live FREE concert, I doubt if I would care WHO was performing. After all, both of these performers, Mellencamp and Baez, ARE PROFESSIONALS and I would guess that they would have put on a pretty good show for these American heroes, the very people the Wingers are always shouting how they are 'supporting the troops' yet when they're offered a nice afternoon of quality entertainment you suddenly want to deny them that opportunity. And for WHAT? A prejudice that YOU YOURSELF just implied that they couldn't possibly be affected by since they DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO SHE IS. Well in that case, just let them enjoy the music and the chance to have a break from what I'm sure is not going to be the happiest part of their lives.

OCU

"Besides, the issue is not whether "she's popular with this demographic" as "this demographic", as you so affectionately refer to them, are YOUNG AMERICAN MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN WOUNDED IN BATTLE."

So if I called them "heroes" like all the assholes who want to keep them perpetually in Iraq, would that make you happy? Please. I'm so sick of fake patriots looking for any opportunity to seize on a word or phrase so that they can hold themselves up as being more patriotic than the next guy. Yeah, I said 20 year olds fall into a "demographic". I must be a traitor.

"Now I don't know about you, but if I were laid-up in a military hospital after leaving a few of my body-parts on some foreign battlefield and someone came to me and said that I was invited to live FREE concert, I doubt if I would care WHO was performing. After all, both of these performers, Mellencamp and Baez, ARE PROFESSIONALS and I would guess that they would have put on a pretty good show for these American heroes, the very people the Wingers are always shouting how they are 'supporting the troops' yet when they're offered a nice afternoon of quality entertainment you suddenly want to deny them that opportunity. And for WHAT? A prejudice that YOU YOURSELF just implied that they couldn't possibly be affected by since they DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO SHE IS. Well in that case, just let them enjoy the music and the chance to have a break from what I'm sure is not going to be the happiest part of their lives."

You may have somewhat of a point because these guys have to be pretty bored, but I still disagree. There are plenty of professional music acts that I wouldn't want to see for free. If you've heard Baez's music, it isn't exactly upbeat, spirit-lifting stuff. I would bet the average 20 year old would rather listen to paint dry. Nobody is going to miss her at this concert.

"If no one wants to book old washed up stalinist such as Joan Baez and John Mellencamp, so be it. ..Posted by Bur"


Where does it say Mellenkamp wasn't booked? Gee, Burt, guess you didn't read the article.

So, what's your sign read: "Sad Clown" or "Maroon"?

"Tailpipe Tornado".

BL2:
Like a Rollin' Stone
All Along the Watchtower
Mrs. Robinson
The Times They Are A'Changin'
This Land is Your Land

There's a lot more that could go on this list. To downplay the significance and quality of music from "that time and genre" shows not only bad taste, but idiocy as well.

Joan Baez is pretty cool. Not as cool as Dylan, of course, but pretty cool. That being said, I see no reason why an organization that trains professional killers would want a pacifist singer to perform for its members. I see no problem with this.

By the way, when he was young, Dylan wanted to go to West Point.

Please. I'm so sick of fake patriots...

Posted by Sully at 2007-05-03 03:18 PM

Who are you calling a 'fake patriot'? I've worn a uniform in defense of this nation, have you?

Remember, I don't have to put on airs about being a patriot because I've supported the troops from day one, only where I come from, throwing away lives just to shore up an ill-conceived, mismanaged, poorly-executed, to say nothing of it being a possible illegal war, is NOT 'supporting the troops'. Those of us who can remember the Vietnam War, because we lived through those times, should know the price that BOTH the troops and our country PAID for that mismanaged and poorly-executed war. That's why so many of us are so dedicated to not seeing history repeat itself. And don't give my any crap about the war being lost at home first before it was lost on the ground. If you're not old enough to remember what really happened and how we were all fed a line of BS and how our leaders wasted thousands of lives all for the sake of not losing political face. If you can't see that the same thing is happening now, then you're all blind, period!

You want a little exercise in reality setting, try this? Get yourself a time-line of the Vietnam War with all of the political rhetoric from our leaders, both political and military, highlighted and then visit Washington and 'walk to Wall' (the Vietnam Memorial) starting with those first names from the 50's, and as you're reading what the American people were being told about the progress of the war, when you reach the point where your intelligence or conscience has reached it's limit in terms of the level of crap on those printed pages, stop and note the point where you are on the 'Wall'. Now walk the rest of the way to the end and look back at all of those names. What would you say to the families of all those who lives were wasted AFTER you had reached the point where you realized that the war had been lost?

Now roll that scene ahead 30 years to where it's you grandson or granddaughter who's walking along the Mall in Washington only this time it's in front of some future Iraqi War Memorial (trust me, somewhere there will be such a memorial, if we are still a nation that honors those who have given their all for our freedom) and your progeny if following a time-line of TODAY'S rhetoric coming from our political and military leaders. At what point do you think they will start to sob and suddenly realize that their grandparents didn't have the guts to stand up and demand that the war be halted before all those names yet on their right were lost, wasted for what, the ego of a few who themselves would have never shed a drop of blood for their nation or let their sons and daughters risk shedding their blood in a lost cause.

Think about it and then tell me who's the 'fake patriot' or what it means to REALLY support the troops.

OCU

I like what OCU said... at some point this "war" is going to end.... and years from now.... people not yet born are going to wonder...How did they (we) let this happen to the Iraqi people and our bravest soldiers?