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Tuesday, April 17, 2007

Fox News reported the death of Kurt Vonnegut with a story by James Rosen that called the author a despondent leftist who was "rich and irrelevant" by age 50 and an "unhappy man."

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FAIR & BALANCED....I doubt anyone at FOX ever read a Kurt Vonnegut novel.

FAIR & BALANCED....I doubt anyone at FOX ever read a Kurt Vonnegut novel.

Posted by comedian


They're a couple notches higher than their reading level allows.

....I doubt anyone at FOX ever read a Kurt Vonnegut novel.

The real question is how many at FOX bother to read anything beyond White House/RNC issued talking points or unverified smear-reports against random Democrats and/or liberals?

TONY

It's against the law for them to soil their minds with anything beyond WH/RNC talking points and smears.

God help us if they ever start making informed decisions.

Used to be in School (back when they actually taught relevant things instead of how to be nice to Homo's) Slaughter house 5 was required in English class, Along with "Animal Farm" which is the lefts handbook. Kurt Vonnegut deserves the reverence and respect due a man who suffered through WW11 and A german Prison CAmp, But he is too much Like the "Oddball" Character played by Donald Sutherland In "Kelly's Heroes". He simply relegated his place in History to a "lefty lunatic". Seems to me like the Obit was fair

Wow. What slime.

Fox reached a new low with this one. I would love to see someone defend the conservative mouth piece's actions here.


Fox reached a new low with this one. I would love to see someone defend the conservative mouth piece's actions here.


Two posts above yours. 11:16 AM, Hillbillyjihad.

When did Animal Farm become the lefts handbook? I thought Animal Farm was one of Orwell's satires of Stalinism...

I must have missed something while I was reading that.

who was "rich and irrelevant" by age 50 and an "unhappy man."

He was rich...

Relevant is a matter of opinion. In high school and college his works weren't part of our studies... So i'm inclined to agree with the narrator... Even Vonnegut in the clip admits writers have done their best work by 55...

Attempting suicide is rarely done by happy people, so calling him unhappy really doesn't seem unfair.

Thanks for the book report on Animal Farm, HillBilly. You are aptly-named, and amusingly ignorant.

Rob,

It's the priniciple of the piece.

It would be akin to someone on CNN saying (less than a week after his death) that Reagan was a daft, unemployed bad actor.

True, perhaps, but in bad taste and rather crude, as well as disrespectful to his family.

I think Kurt would have found this tempest in a teapot humorous...

RIP

I think Kurt would have found this tempest in a teapot humorous...

Yeah, probably. He was fun that way.

True, perhaps, but in bad taste and rather crude, as well as disrespectful to his family.

Posted by RevDarko


I agree... the title just seemed a little harsh for what was said and the reality of Vonnegut's life. It was a very blunt piece but something tells me Vonnegut would actually get some entertainment out of FoxNews running such a piece...

Used to be in School (back when they actually taught relevant things instead of how to be nice to Homo's)

As per usual Slicksterwilly, you don't know when the apostrophe should be used or not used.

Didn't they teach that at your school, along with how to bash Homos?

I typed this before, then lost contact to the Retort, so, here it is again:

Rob,

I had a feeling you would see it thst way. And you're right, Vonnegut would probably get a chuckle out of this (you know, if he wasn't dead.)

I typed this before, then lost contact to the Retort, so, here it is again:

Rob,

I had a feeling you would see it thst way. And you're right, Vonnegut would probably get a chuckle out of this (you know, if he wasn't dead.)

"He simply relegated his place in History to a "lefty lunatic". Seems to me like the Obit was fair"

Lefty Lunactic?

Fair?

Okay, now yer really starting to piss Spud off...

Whoa Nelly, looks like the propagandists at mindFUX Nooz haff being up all night drinking again.

Getting ready to piss on the grave of the man who sed...

"Our President is a Christian? So was Adolph Hitler."

Quel FUCKING Suprize!

Right off the bat they start off letting their intentions out. (In case folk hadn't already guessed where they were going with this) with a bad picture of Kurt with his eyes closed then the film started "I never thought I'd amount to a hill of beans..." sez Kurt.

Gotcha.

Irrelevency is the topic du jour.

"extreme radical"

Nothing Extreme about Peace.
Nothing Radical about Love.

References to his suicide attempt?>

(Nice touch)

Working really hard to downplay his later work as being especially irrelevant?

Hmmmm... Now why would that be?

"The only difference between [George W.] Bush and [Adolf] Hitler is that Hitler was elected."

No, that wasn't it...

"My government's got a war on drugs. But get this: The two most widely abused and addictive and destructive of all substances are both perfectly legal.

One, of course, is ethyl alcohol. And President George W. Bush, no less, and by his own admission, was smashed or tiddley-poo or four sheets to the wind a good deal of the time from when he was 16 until he was 41. When he was 41, he says, Jesus appeared to him and made him knock off the sauce, stop gargling nose paint
"

Yeah, about the same time he allegedly got "cured" of his gayness (which he musta picked up hanging out in the Yale Drama club and with the other male cheerleaders) and just before he entered his beard marriage with Laura.

But nooooo, that wasn't it either.

When you got here, even when I got here, the industrialized world was already hopelessly hooked on fossil fuels, and very soon now there won't be any more of those. Cold turkey.

Can I tell you the truth? I mean this isn't like TV news, is it?

Here's what I think the truth is: We are all addicts of fossil fuels in a state of denial, about to face cold turkey.

And like so many addicts about to face cold turkey, our leaders are now committing violent crimes to get what little is left of what we're hooked on.


Bingo!

Fox is an enemy of Truth, of course they hate Kurt.

That's as natural as night following day.

All corporate news lies, but mostly their sins are that of ommision or distraction. Fox are out and out propagandists who just make shit up out of whole cloth.

Anyone who finds this piece "Fair and Balanced" must be fairly unbalanced themselves sez Spud.

Be Well.

Next up on Faux.....

More round the clock coverage of Larry Birkhead's nursery decoration.

Faux news is about as fair and balanced as it is a news channel.

I apologize to Slicksterwilly - who also doesn't use apostrophes correctly - my 12.21 post should have been adressed to HillBillyJihad.

But then, Birds of a feather...

And so it is.

Fox News Pissed on Vonnegut's Grave



Anyone here ever actuall pissed on someones grave?

I have a list for just that. There are currently 3 people on it.

Course the best revenge is to live well but I think that would be an added touch.

Used to be in School (back when they actually taught relevant things instead of how to be nice to Homo's) Slaughter house 5 was required in English class, Along with "Animal Farm" which is the lefts handbook. Kurt Vonnegut deserves the reverence and respect due a man who suffered through WW11 and A german Prison CAmp, But he is too much Like the "Oddball" Character played by Donald Sutherland In "Kelly's Heroes". He simply relegated his place in History to a "lefty lunatic". Seems to me like the Obit was fair

Posted by HillBillyJihad


You become dumber with each post.
Animal Farm is the "lefts handbook"?
You can't really be this moronic.

The only reason that Fox News labled Vonnegut as a ultra-left wing liberal is because much of his writing was skewed towards being anti-war and we all know that you must be a "Kool Aid drinking ultra-left pinko commie liberal" if you don't like war - of course Fox just glosses over the fact that Vonnegut was almost killed as a prisoner of war during the fire bombing of Dresden - I guess that would skew one's view of war.

"Along with "Animal Farm" which is the lefts handbook."

Then I guess "Mein Kampf" is the right's handbook?

Oh course vonnegut was UNHAPPY. One, he was a writer that looked at society and the world eyes wide open, and we live in an ugly place.

two, he was a POW and survived dresden.

But he was still happier than the joyless fat fuck that slimed him in this "report". I doubt if any foxnewsies even read his work, they just slime a man who didnt like W.

You become dumber with each post.
Animal Farm is the "lefts handbook"?
You can't really be this moronic.

Posted by RastaCyborg at 2007-04-17 07:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Guess again, brother. I'd be shocked if HillyBillyJihadist had even read a book, much less "animal farm".

They should've had his former Son-in-law do the piece on Vonnegut. But wait, he might not have been as kind.

They should've had his former Son-in-law do the piece on Vonnegut. But wait, he might not have been as kind.

Posted by 2fast4u


..and, outside of the world of the Secret Vault Opening Coalition (SVOC), why would Geraldo's opinion have any value whatsoever?

Spud would personally consider a "sliming" by the fools over at Faux to be an honor higher than recieving a medal of Free-Dumb from the Chickenhawk in Chief himself.

Spud has got enuff "free dumb" from Bush already.

Don't need the medal too.

F*CKZ sNOOzEr are losers!

Kurt Vonnegut Jr purely RAWKS!

"And you can't front on that!"

Be Well.

PS: To answer Rastas question...

"why would Geraldo's opinion have any value whatsoever?"

On this subject? Prolly not so much.

Course if yer a pissed off Iraqi looking fer Geraldos "opinion" on the troops positions and movements?

He's yer
Man.

And people wonder why Democrats don't want to have a debate on Fox. If they could slime a national treasure like KV Jr. Whay would we trust them to handle a debate with fairness and class?

So He Goes
Novelist Kurt Vonnegut, who died April 11, responded to his times with anger, despair, stoicism, laughter and kindness.

Random House Publishers / Reuters
Kurt Vonnegut, 1922-2007


Web-Exclusive Commentary
By David Gates
Newsweek
Updated: 5:59 p.m. CT April 14, 2007
April 23, 2007 issue - It's hard to imagine why Kurt Vonnegut was called a "pessimist" or a "cynic." He lived through three quarters of the worst century ever and saw enough of the next one to know it was already shaping up as a contender. He didn't just read about the madness and horror: in World War II, it almost killed him when he was in a German POW camp in Dresden and American planes firebombed the city. And he responded to his times appropriately--with anger, with despair, with stoicism--and still managed to laugh, and to recommend and practice human kindness. Isn't the expression for this something more like "role model"?

After the war, Vonnegut knocked around as a police reporter, an adman, a p.r. man for General Electric, and, briefly, as a Saab dealer. But he was also writing satirical fiction. His first novel, "Player Piano" (1952,) was a surreal spoof of the corporate world. His 1959 "sci-fi" novel, "The Sirens of Titan," took on the military, capitalism and organized religion. In 1969, Vonnegut went from cult writer to best seller with "Slaughterhouse-Five," which dealt directly--or as directly as he could in a novel also involving time travel and an alien abduction--with his experience in Dresden. This was the book which gave us the catchphrase "So it goes" as a response to deaths and disasters. Cynicism? Fair and balanced reporting.

Maybe Vonnegut, who loathed the Iraq war, its instigators and its cheerleaders, would get a laugh out of that allusion: in 2002, in an 80th-birthday interview, he said that "our country, for whose Constitution I fought in a just war, might as well have been invaded by Martians and body snatchers. Sometimes I wish it had been." But as the honorary president of the American Humanist Association, he didn't believe in an afterlife. ("I love sleep, don't you?") How typically odd it was, then, that he gave a particularly direct statement of the belief that guided his life and work to Christian Century magazine. "Well, of course, humor is an almost physiological response," he said in a 1976 interview, "to fears, as I understand it ... . I saw the destruction of Dresden. I mean I saw it before and then came out of an air-raid shelter and saw it afterwards, and certainly one response is laughter. God knows, that's the soul seeking some relief."

2007 Newsweek, Inc.



Way to smear one of America's greatest minds in an op-ed piece disguised as an obituary.

The most convenient thing about slandering a dead man is that he isn't likely to take exception.

Cowardly.

James Rosen obviously knew little about KV.

It is interesting to note, Rosen must at some point in his pointy brain think he comes from a higher plane!

The real question is in the end, who will be remembered and who will not!

This really pissed me off when I watched it. Who runs an attack piece on someone who just died?

No Class


"Along with "Animal Farm" which is the lefts handbook."

Then I guess "Mein Kampf" is the right's handbook?


Posted by JustinPhx at 2007-04-17 07:33 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Good one, JustinPhx. I have enjoyed Vonnegut's books since my high school days and found his politics to be based mostly on the grim yet unavoidably and paradoxically amusing facts of life as he saw them. He was a humanist, which the uncreative among us tend to see as "liberal" because it's counter to their blind-faith conformity. Vonnegut and his alter-ego Kilgore Trout tended to see society in all its spectacularly messy glory - the good, the bad, and the horrendously ugly. Like myself, he wanted badly to believe in the goodness of people, but he was exposed repeatedly to the dark side, which only strengthened the realist in him.

I work with a guy who identifies himself as strongly conservative, but he's an open-minded man who shares with me a love of Vonnegut. Sometimes he can't help but recognize truth when he sees it! In fact, it was this friend who first told me of Kurt's passing.

Most of this obit was reasonable, but Rosen's snide comments were uncalled for. Rosen proves here that he is the one who's irrelevant, not Vonnegut.

And so on.

When did Animal Farm become the lefts handbook? I thought Animal Farm was one of Orwell's satires of Stalinism...

I must have missed something while I was reading that.

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if I can talk for him I believe he was saying that the left would love for us to be like animal farm and it being a satire of stalinism is the point...or at least socialism.......

but anyway.......

someone talked about actually pissing on a grave.....and I have done that but it wasnt out of contempt.......5 years ago my best golfing buddy died of cancer
a short time before that, the five of us were joking one day that if he didnt make this putt to save us all 20 bucks that I and everyone else would piss on his grave......and he replied....go right ahead because I wont give a shit then anyway.....

and about a month after we buried him about 7 at night there were four grown men pissing on his grave and all of us crying and laughing at the same time.
it wasnt my fault...he should have made the fuckin putt.


I didnt think much of vonnegut....not that I disliked him...I just didnt even consider him......until the interviews on charley rose......he was one interesting guy whether I thought he was on target or not.

Ahh..The truth is very hurtful to you lefties. Vonnegut was a good writer, But he was still a very distrubing political figure. I didn't hear them insult Vonnegut, Just give more relevant facts on His life after WWII, Unlike those of you on the left who when hearing Tony Snow has cancer basically wishing him dead. You people are a Joke. Vonnegut was a not a literary Genius, A good writer, And Fox News Rocks.."Arise my Hillbilly Brotherern..for the Jihad is upon us!!"

So I suppose you're the literary genius, Mr. Jihad.

But be honest about the Tony Snow thing - I recall 1 or 2 Drudgies knocking Snow after his cancer news was announced, while nearly everyone else, liberals included, jumped on their shit. As they should have.

Nice deflection, though.

Vonnegut was a not a literary Genius, A good writer, And Fox News Rocks.."Arise my Hillbilly Brotherern..for the Jihad is upon us!!"

Posted by HillBillyJihad


...and HillBillyJihad, who had no idea that Animal Farm was a satire of Stalinism, thinks he can judge Vonnegut's literary credentials.
Jihad, when Orwell wrote 1984, why do you think he included that character based on his large brother?

I Bleieve Animal Farm is more relevant today, seeing how the Libs want to control every aspect of life, from who can have babies, putting all our children on drugs because they are a little rambunctious, Who gets what health care, who can have a gun..who can live in the "House" Seems Corzine would be a good example, Armed Body guards, Driving way over the speed limit and not wearing a seatbelt, But he is living in the "house" As for "1984" I will give you validity on your point that with the Kaos in ourt country today and the absolute barbaric way Muslims Kill, There is a little big brother stuff going on, But who are the ones who shout out other points of view, Who is it that has "speech codes" ...Just look at the Colleges, I don't see any republicans or conservatives doing that..So take that irrational line of logic to all your Leftie lemming friends, Just waiting for someone in governement to make them 'important" instead of working to do it themselves

.."Arise my Hillbilly Brotherern..for the Jihad is upon us!!"

Wow, you have issues.

Awww..All my gun-totinn, Moonshine drinking, no-teeth havin, no shoe wearing brothers together taking back our land from you "DAD BURN HIPPIES" The day is coming when common sense rules again and Political correctness joins Communisn, Nazism, Socialism, Feminism, and all the other failed philosphies of the "victicrats" on the Trash heap of history..

Hey HillBilly, was that English??
Do you still believe that Animal Farm, a book that essentially proves how and why true communism cannot work, is the "handbook of the left"?

You denigrate my Appalachian brethren with your username.

Yep, pretty soon when PC is on the trash heap of history, HillBilly will be able to yell "nigger" whenever he wants and smack his wife around if she leaves the kitchen. You and Osama will be in your glory!!

Not exactly what I had in Mind, RastaCyborg...But if that is what YOU want to do, I will give you that freedom, Since it is already okay in your world to Hate Jew, Christians, and anyone who disagrees with your "enlightened Philosophy". This new era of "Traditionalist" will give you the freedom to be the all around, full-fledged hater you want to be

HA HA HA!!!
Yeah, I hate Jews and Christians. I guess that means I hate my girlfriend and all the rest of my friends.
Straight from the bigot who thinks we're at war with all muslims.

"Traditionalist"?
Let's bring back the "good old days" right?

I Bleieve Animal Farm is more relevant today, seeing how the Libs want to control every aspect of life, from who can have babies, putting all our children on drugs because they are a little rambunctious,

Why don't you give us one example of a "Lib" controlling who can have babies?

As for Muslims, The so-called "moderates who remain silent are no different than the german people who lived outside the hundreds of concentration camps, Knew what was going on and remained "silent" so Until they decide to choose to speak out, they are basically in favor of all that radical muslims do, therefore have chosen their side.

Well, As for Libs controlling who can have babies, how many women have they "convinced" to have abortions, as far as I am concerned, that is a form of pressure and we all know have powerful the "power of suggestion" is. How important it is for a woman to have "control" over her body and that it is your right to have an abortion, as a mtter of fact it is your duty as a woman to have an abortion to show those 'mean ole white guys' who want to tell you what you can and can't do...do you get my drift?

No, I don't get your drift, because your drift is horseshit. Before Roe v. Wade, women who got pregnant were forced to have babies. Now, thanks to "Libs" and others, women can decide for themselves if they want to have babies.
Which is more controlling?
Answer the question.

It took me 3 seconds to find this, HillBilly.
Muslims speak out against violence

That is tooooo Funny.. A big LIB like you could only find Muslims who speak out at The "Washington Times" and Sean Hannity" ssems they come in handy when you are trying to prove something ..Wait, Hannity works for Fox news so he can't be believed...right? What a hypocrit...

No one ever "forced" women to have babies, This all started in the 60's when hippy women, (who now run all our major cities) decided they wanted to get high and screw all their hippy boyfriends, then when they sobered up and realized.."Hey, who got me pregnant, they needed a way to "correct this mistake" ( a baby is a mistake?) so Viola...Abortion rights..Very selfish, try keeping your pants on..their is a good birth control

Are you drunk?
Abortion was illegal before Roe v. Wade.
If a woman got pregnant it was against the law for her to have an abortion.

The Washington Times is a conservative newspaper.

their is a good birth control

What does that mean?

Your last two posts are possibly the stupidest things I've ever read.
I supplied sources of Muslims condemning the violence on CONSERVATIVE media outlets and you call me a hypocrite (spelled wrong). You believe that making it illegal for a pregnant woman to choose whether or not she has the baby is LESS CONTROLLING than letting that woman decide for herself.
You're obtuse and beyond help. I have better things to do.

there is good birth control! Keeping your pants on, But the holocaust we call abortion is just a microcosm of the overall societal lapse in social morays and the "me, me , me " attitude. Too bad the unborn has to suffer, yes abortion was illegal before Roe V wade, But NOT getting pregnant was not illegal

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