Another challenge to AL Maliki.

What Al Sadr wants and will probably get is an official request from Al Maliki to the US for withdrawal.

Interesting prospect.

What does W do then? (After he asks Uncle Dick)

It's a "SOVERIEGN NATION OF IRAQ" hehe.

BUT WE CAN'T LEAVE.

I would welcome this dilemna

Well this is a conundrum ain't it? On one hand Iraq is a democracy and they have freedom (or so we're told), and if they tell us to get out, don't we have to listen?

But on the other hand, Sadr is Shia, and will align with Iran and take over the world if we leave.

Hmmmmm....
I think step one is determining if Iraq is free or not, and if they can tell us to leave.
Because honestly, the way Bush talks and acts, I don't know what Iraq is right now.

Sitdown,
Great minds think alike :)

Iraq is part of Greater Iran ...

This ought to be interesting.

Poor Miliki -- Bush pushing him one side and al-Sadr pushing him on the other -- any bets as to who will win?

"Miliki" should have been "Maliki"

Al Sadr main interest is killing more Sunnis and make Iraq another Iran. The US troops and it's allies are hindering more killing. Al Sadr has no interest in making Iraq a secure place to live for all Iraqis...

I still say, let the Iraqi population vote on either the troops staying or pullout...This concept makes it a non-political factor here as Iraqis decide on their own future.

I would challenge Al Sadr on this concept!

"any bets as to who will win?"

My money's on the undertaker.

I still say, let the Iraqi population vote on either the troops staying or pullout...This concept makes it a non-political factor here as Iraqis decide on their own future.

I would challenge Al Sadr on this concept!

Posted by MikeWarrior at 2007-04-16 01:36 AM |

Like the Iraqi population had a vote on the illegal invasion and dismemberment of their country. 2 million emigrated, 750,000 dead and now you talk about Iraqi's deciding on their future.

no he is advocating putting the decisions on US military and US national security in the hands of the Iraqis. You know, al sadr

Maybe we should divert 10,000 of the 12,000 troops in Afganistan to Iraq. That could be our plan "B".

Afganistan doesn't have any Oil anyway.

Its really time to consider fixing what was the initial mistake by the United Kingdom and no longer force these three tribes to live with each other. Seperate the nation into three countries and be done with it. They're too savage, too barbaric too live with each other... so just like my mother used to do when I'd fight with my brothers... seperate them.

Its really time to consider fixing what was the initial mistake by the United Kingdom and no longer force these three tribes to live with each other. Seperate the nation into three countries and be done with it. They're too savage, too barbaric too live with each other... so just like my mother used to do when I'd fight with my brothers... seperate them.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at


Joe Biden has been saying that all along. Too bad he is mired in second-tier status among the pres candidates.

wont work, no guarantee for oil revenues, MASSIVE displacement of people, many power players are nationalistic, Turkey wont stand for an independent kurdistan on its border, to name a few of the problems.

oh yeah, the disposition of Iraq aint are business to call.

They're too savage, too barbaric too live with each other.


why again are we in Iraq? why are we dying by the 2's and 3's every day? Why are we pissing our treasure into the desert sands?

wont work, no guarantee for oil revenues, MASSIVE displacement of people, many power players are nationalistic, Turkey wont stand for an independent kurdistan on its border, to name a few of the problems.

Posted by truthhurts


I'm not saying just take out a pencil and draw lines like the Brits did a hundred or whatever years ago... There would have to be arrangements for oil fields and such... Turkey would be pissed, but they wouldn't go against us.

oh yeah, the disposition of Iraq aint are business to call.

I think we've paid enough of a price to have more then a modest say in how things should work out, and besides its not like they want to live together anyways...

why again are we in Iraq? why are we dying by the 2's and 3's every day? Why are we pissing our treasure into the desert sands?

Posted by truthhurts


Ah, well now, we're there trying to hold the pieces together because the Iraqi people suck and won't do it themselves... they'd rather settle old scores, or just be all around barbaric asshats...

If this type of thing happened in some European nation we would be at peace by now and enjoying relations with our new ally.

Oh and its time to start putting lots and lots of bullets into people like Al Sadr... it really seems like the only thing these people respect is force. So find their leaders like Al Sadr and put enough depleted uranium in them to make them glow in the dark...

"...enjoying relations with our new ally." - Rob

Ahh, there's much to be said for spreading our, uh, frontiers, so to speak.

They're too savage, too barbaric too live with each other - Rob the A Hole

But not too savage and barbaric to welcome us with the flowers and chocolates when we "liberated" them.

And now you suggest a nicely civilized assassination of the man we allowed to attain some power there. Kill Al Sadr and the government collapses and US troops get attacked en masse.

"barbaric asshats"

funny flag

Needs a TRUE flag.

Praise Allah.

And now you suggest a nicely civilized assassination of the man we allowed to attain some power there. Kill Al Sadr and the government collapses and US troops get attacked en masse.


Posted by sitdown


Leaving al Sadr in power was a mistake... an easily corrected one. He's calling for attacks on our soldiers. He's calling for them to be killed... Why do you want him to live?

And it would probably be better if they attacked "en masse." Everytime they do that (Gulf War, Afghanistan, Iraqi Freedom, Fallujah...) we kick the fuck out of them... its this IED and sniper cowardly bullshit inssurection that is what is taking such a toll.

rob, I think you are being exremely naive to think that separation of the country into different countries wouldnt result in far worse conditions.

the country is far more intertwined then you give credit it to. Baghdad has large numbers of shiites and sunnis. You are asking that hundreds of thousands to millions give up their homes and move out. How does one accommodate that? If a sunni stays he is putting himself under shiia rule with far less influence than he has now. Kirkuk is a timebomb that is waiting for that question to be asked. This timebomb is a result of forced relocations of Kurds, they are taking back historic land to give themselves a numbers advantage in the coming referendum. What will happen to all the arabs etc that have developed roots there.

Shias are broken down between federalists and nationalists. The federalists are in the south that will benefit from the break up the nationalists will be left with displacing sunnis hoping for a share of the revenue. al Sadr wants to keep the country together cause if it divides than the mahdi army will lose out to the Badr brigade. (ok kill him but he will be replaced by another, his policital representation still needs to be answered) The sunnis will be even poorer cousins, praying for a share of revenues from countries they are no longer part of. Al Anbar doesnt have oil, Kirkuk will go to the Kurds. They will be left holding a bag of sand.

also, remember we are talking a group of politicians who cant decide on whether school teachers can go back to work (baathists), you expect them to work out a dividing of their nation?

I think you are also naive about Turkey, they have been fighting a war with the Kurds for the past four years. If iraq breaks up that war will heat up. I would imagine that Turkey as a western styled democracy wont be able to survive the type of ethnic unrest caused by Kurds demanding to leave. As for Turkey saying no they have done so many times in recent memory. the use of their land to base the attack is a very prominent example

But not too savage and barbaric to welcome us with the flowers and chocolates when we "liberated" them.


I would stand up and cheer, and I think a lot of other people would too if the President just came out and said it was a mistake thinking the Iraqi people would accept this great gift... Say we thought they would act like the civilized Christian (really drive that home) nations of Europe after they were freed from tyranny. That they would take this great opportunity and build a better nation of free people... then say they decided to spit on this great and rare gift... that their actions, their barabarism took what should have been a chance at something unique and special and ruined it.

Its the truth and it needs to be said. If this endeavour fails it is not because of the failings of our soldiers or our governement... the Iraqi people had their freedom, Hussein is dead... how many people living in dictatorships get such a chance? But they chose to start blowing shit up for Allah, and deciding that their brand of Islam was so much better than the other that they needed to kill the people following the other version...

Fuck 'em.

Leaving al Sadr in power was a mistake... an easily corrected one. He's calling for attacks on our soldiers. He's calling for them to be killed... Why do you want him to live?

TH:mistake? are you so wise to see all ends? IIRC shutting down one of his newspapers set off the first radical increase in insurgent violence in April 04. I dont disagree that he needs to be removed but we must consider the ramifications. Killing him would be similar to the impact of blowing up of the mosque. the arguments have not changed over the past 3 years. walking the razor.

And it would probably be better if they attacked "en masse." Everytime they do that (Gulf War, Afghanistan, Iraqi Freedom, Fallujah...) we kick the fuck out of them... its this IED and sniper cowardly bullshit inssurection that is what is taking such a toll.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at

TH: unfortunately rob our enemies get a say in the kind of war we are involved in. eliminating al Sadr would create massive unrest. Unfortunately he has become an integral part of the political fabric of Iraq, getting rid of him is much much more complicated than a bullet.

rob, I think you are being exremely naive to think that separation of the country into different countries wouldnt result in far worse conditions.

What would "far worse" be at this point?

The Kurdish north is much more peaceful and stable then the rest of the nation... if Iraq were broken into three, we could move most of our forces north and fully secure that area, and hope for the best with the other two.

Better to get at least 33% of the country what we wanted then 0% right? the Sunnis and the Shia in Iraq are barbaric uncivilized fucks... that's the only way to describe them at this point...

So maybe the solution is to triage (sp?) this thing... let those two fight it out while protecting the north and keeping them out of the fray... then whoever is left between the Sunni and the Shia after a couple years, we make nice with them.

TH: unfortunately rob our enemies get a say in the kind of war we are involved in. eliminating al Sadr would create massive unrest. Unfortunately he has become an integral part of the political fabric of Iraq, getting rid of him is much much more complicated than a bullet.


Sure they do, thankfully though we have a very sophisticated and technologically advanced military... we don't need to level the playing field by keeping our troops around them. Withdraw to the north where we were actually greated as liberators and allies... Only make quick surgical strikes into the south if absolutely necessary.

I don't think it matters at this point how many troops we put in Iraq, the Iraqis don't want peace. they want to cut off heads, and blow up kids... you can't reason with that type of barbarism... So move the troops to safer locations and salvage what we can, ie the Kurdish North.

If the troops can no longer be targeted by Al Sadrs supporters cuz they are out of reach then there is nothing to fear by putting several hundred bullets in him.

I would stand up and cheer, and I think a lot of other people would too if the President just came out and said it was a mistake thinking the Iraqi people would accept this great gift...

That is an interesting idea. It probably would be Bush's best out. He just might do that before the end, to salvage a legacy.
But then there's the question of the follow-up. After admitting the war was a mistake, does Bush say we're going to stay in Iraq forever, or they're going to have some finite amount of time (a timetable) to shape up or we're gone?

Let's stay there indefinitely and eventually these people will all start doing what we'll tell them. If it takes 200 years, a million American lives and our entire Federal Budget for the duration, it will be worth it.

Sincerely,

War Supporters

That is an interesting idea. It probably would be Bush's best out.....

Maybe it will be by the end of the year or next year. Meanwhile he and Cheney are just blaming it on the Democrats - saying they are putting our troops in harms way by asking for deadlines. But that game won't last too long if the Democrats don't blink.

Wait for Cheney to actually suggest the democrats are prolonging the war...

After admitting the war was a mistake, does Bush say we're going to stay in Iraq forever, or they're going to have some finite amount of time (a timetable) to shape up or we're gone?

Posted by Norm_


No, not the war... Don't say the war was a mistake, say the mistake was thinking that the Iraqi people would stand up and not just go after personal vendettas or just blow up and raise havoc for the fuck of it. They should still say the war was a good cause (Around 70% of the public thought it was at the start so it wouldn't be a stretch to say that), just that the Sunnis and the Shia made it impossible to win because of their uncivilized ways...

Then move all the troops to Kurdistan and help make that a peaceful and stable nation (which it pretty much is now anyways), then Bush can say, "You see! It would have worked if not for those people. The Kurds took this opportunity and formed a better nation, the others didn't and that's why it failed, not because of me."

To me its the only way to pull this off now... and its not even spinning or stretching the truth... the Sunnis and the Shia are to blame for the violence.

Its really time to consider fixing what was the initial mistake by the United Kingdom

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

HEY EVERYBODY

Rob's been to Geography class as weeks ago he didn't know the UK was involved in Iraq

I think this is what we should do all around the world. In every country where our military has a presence (Germany, South Korea, etc.), there should be a vote (every year or so) to determine whether they want us there or not. If they do, then we stay if they do not then we leave.

Bring the troops home, put them on the border and do not let anyone in who does not belong here.

This will force the other contries of the world to deal with their own mess rather than counting on the USA to do it. Iraq and Iran are far more pressing problems for Saudi Arabia and the other countries in the region. The same holds true for North Korea. If the USA was not there, then Japan would be forced to arm it self and suddenly China would have to do something.

We should only attack if we are attacked. But when we do it should be so out of proportion, so barbaric, so utterly whithering,that others will think twice before attacking the USA.

Got to stop you there Rob...the war was and IS the biggest foreign policy mistake in our lifetime.....we KNEW that the Sunnis and Shia would kill each other, they have been doing it for 1400 years..dosen't anyone read a history book anymore.....

HEY EVERYBODY

Rob's been to Geography class as weeks ago he didn't know the UK was involved in Iraq

Posted by odie1kanobe


Nobody finds you funny or intersing Frenchy...

actually no the funniest thing about rob's plan is that it is the murtha plan. Funny how the repubs come around to a lefties postion and then attempt to coopt it.

Got to stop you there Rob...the war was and IS the biggest foreign policy mistake in our lifetime

That's opinion...

I'd say ignoring terrorism for some of the 80s, all of the 90s and 1 year of this decade was... Since that is the reason we are where we are now.

actually no the funniest thing about rob's plan is that it is the murtha plan. Funny how the repubs come around to a lefties postion and then attempt to coopt it.

Posted by truthhurts


If that's his plan then he did a shit job selling it to America...

"If that's his plan then he did a shit job selling it to America...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole"

Could be because the administration and its apologists were shrieking "cut and run" and "defeaticrats" at the top of their lungs and nobody got a chance to hear Murtha.

Guess you didnt hear about the 2006 election.

ok rob and americans dont support his plan now, he did a horrible job of selling it.

well accept for the 2006 election.

hahahahahaha,

yes rob, the american people want our troops to stay the course, yep you are spot on on that one.

keep up the good work

yes rob, the american people want our troops to stay the course, yep you are spot on on that one.

keep up the good work

Posted by truthhurts


Hmmmm... I finally after almost two years here get to post about someone else using strawman arguments...

Nice one truthy... Did I say that's what America wants? Nope. Did I say support for this war and this administration are high? Nope. What I did say was that the 6th year of almost every president over the last hundred years has been a bad year for his party... typically in that election losing 6 Senate seats and 30 House seats...

What was the number of seats picked up by the Democrats in the last election...

Why worry about facts and history though truth... just keep typing how hard you are laughing at the argument that you made up for me.

HEY EVERYBODY

Rob's been to Geography class as weeks ago he didn't know the UK was involved in Iraq

Posted by odie1kanobe


Nobody finds you funny or intersing Frenchy...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-04-16 10:29 AM

Ma peu de tte de merde

You haven't a clue regarding anything yet sit behind the computer and advocate mass murder.

Sign up and see how far and how long you will last.

As for claim that you suffer from something then don't tell them, if so in favour then time to put your butt on the line and stop being a chicken hawk.

www.pollingreport.com

Do you think the United States should or should not set a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq sometime in 2008?"

.

Should Should Not Unsure
% % %
4/9-12/07
57 38 5

Posted by truthhurts


Amazing stuff... but why are you bringing this up? Nobody is denying this...

if so in favour then time to put your butt on the line and stop being a chicken hawk.

Posted by odie1kanobe


Far greater posters then you Frenchy have called me a Chickenhawk... it just doesn't work on me you cheese eating surrender monkey.

Nearly six in 10 of those polled want to see U.S. troops leave Iraq either immediately or within a year. In addition, more people would prefer Congress to run U.S. policy in Iraq than President Bush.


Posted by truthhurts


Awesome! Still has nothing to do with what I actually said...

YOU are the one that said Murtha didnt sell his plan well enough.

And that was proven by what you just posted you dumbass...

The Post-ABC News poll, which did not associate the plan with Murtha, found that 58 percent of Americans said they support such new rules

Now why is that? Why if 58% agree with Murtha would they disassociate from Murtha? Maybe because after press articles like the one I posted above, people equated Murtha's plan with an immediate withdrawal of troops, AKA cut and run.

If 58% agree with it, but they won't mention Murtha when asking it, that flat out says Murtha failed at pointing out what his plan was...

Thank you Truth... I never saw that article and nothing else could better prove my point... really... thank you.

funny how poll after poll supports what was in Murtha's plan.

Even funnier that they don't mention Murtha... wonder why?

Amazing stuff... but why are you bringing this up? Nobody is denying this...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-04-16 10:50 AM |



actually bush is but that is aside the point.

actually bush is but that is aside the point.

Posted by truthhurts


President Bush is posting here!??!?!?! Sweet merciful crap!

A pleasure to meet you sir.

I LOVES revisionist history...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Revisionist history huh? ... from the article:

"In sometimes vitriolic terms, Republican leaders accused Democrats of siding with terrorists...

Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) declared: 'Murtha and Democratic leaders have adopted a policy of cut and run. They would prefer that the United States surrender to the terrorists who would harm innocent Americans.'"

Thanks for proving my point.

hahahahahaha rob, you are clearly delusional.

only you could string together the fact that americans support what Murtha planned to do with him not being able to sell the plan.

You are amazing, really.

Murtha being ridiculed by people JUST LIKE YOU as being defeaticat and cowardly is exactly why the poll has to be seperate from his name. Cause vile scum like you associated his name with surrender.

Of course YOU are now advocating EXACTLY what he advocated, yet you continue to fail to give him the credit he is due. that is very typical.

You coopt his plan, you call him a coward and you lie that americans were not educated by him.

Typical cowardly shit that is to be expected from you.

Revisionist history huh?

You claim to have read the article... did ya miss the first line?

When you read articles, go from left to right, top to bottom... it will help you greatly.

Typical cowardly shit that is to be expected from you.

Posted by truthhurts


Whew... that got your panties up in a bunch didn't it...

Truthy, all you are doing is proving my point that Murtha didn't sell the plan well... If his plan was all I was saying (to a degree) above, and he clearly articulated it, America clearly would have been behind him...

But you have proven that Murtha didn't sell the plan well because none of your polls mention Murtha... they mention things he talked about but not him... and that's because, thanks to articles from Wapo and others Murtha's plan was portrayed as an immediate retreat.

People agree with Murtha's plan, as long as Murtha isn't mentioned... HENCE... he sold HIS plan poorly...

Now take a few deep breaths and count to ten... you're gonna have a stroke.

I r a reely gud reeder Rob.

Here is the subtitle and first line:

"GOP Assails Murtha's Demand to Leave Iraq

The top House Democrat on military spending matters stunned colleagues yesterday by calling for the immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, while many congressional Democrats reacted defiantly to President Bush's latest attack on his critics."

So your point was that Murtha didn't do a good job selling his plan. My point was that Republicans immediately began shrieking "cut and run" and "defeaticrats" which is highlighted in the article and which I posted above.

Tell me how this first line in any way relates to Murtha's ability to sell the plan and supports your contention?

Apparently you can read, but just didn't comprehend the actual meaning.

no rob, it is precisely because scum LIKE YOU demonized the man that his name cant be associated with the plan.

When you use his ideas, when poll after poll after poll after election after poll support his plans that mean YOU and OTHER americans were educated by his plans.

Let us use an example here.

Hitler is forever associated with blitzkrieg.

Blitzkrieg is considered a successful military technique (similar to the Murtha Plan)

Hitler is considered vile scum for his actions

Murtha is considered cowardly by people LIKE YOU.

People associate negative connotations with Blitzkrieg but take it out of the context of hitler it is considered more positively.

same with Murtha's plan. the difference beign Hitler was a bad guy and Murtha was mudraked by people like you.

I FURTHER consider you a hypocrite to have historically slammed murtha and now tout his plan.

of course that is typical of you and republicans.

slime your opponents and when their plans/ideas become popular coopt the plan

Tell me how this first line in any way relates to Murtha's ability to sell the plan and supports your contention?


Um, probably because Murtha's plan was for a redeployment of troops, but the article uses words like, Leave Iraq, and immediate withdrawal.

Those words were repeated all over the country for days... making people think that Murtha's plan was an immediate pullout of all troops from Iraq... apparently that was not the case...

Hence... Murtha did a shit job of selling his plan...

the best example at murtha's ability to sell is the fact that a lowbrow like robtada al sadr now supports it. Of course he is too "proud" to admit he is wrong and give credit where credit is due.

Um, probably because Murtha's plan was for a redeployment of troops, but the article uses words like, Leave Iraq, and immediate withdrawal.

Those words were repeated all over the country for days... making people think that Murtha's plan was an immediate pullout of all troops from Iraq... apparently that was not the case...

Hence... Murtha did a shit job of selling his plan...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole



no rob, that is an example of the right wing attempting to discredit the man. Thinking americans were able to see through LIES from PEOPLE LIKE YOU to see the truth of what he was saying. They listened to it and they support it.

no rob, it is precisely because scum LIKE YOU demonized the man that his name cant be associated with the plan.

I work for the Washington Post?

I FURTHER consider you a hypocrite to have historically slammed murtha and now tout his plan.

Maybe if he had done a better job of selling his plan as a redeployment of troops within Iraq and triaging the situation I would have agreed with him then... You claim that's what he was saying in '05... I, and most of America didn't see it that way...

HENCE... a shit job of selling his plan...

Calm down...

no rob, that is an example of the right wing attempting to discredit the man

The Washington Post?

"Um, probably because Murtha's plan was for a redeployment of troops, but the article uses words like, Leave Iraq, and immediate withdrawal."

Possibly because this was the first article out after his announcement, and before details were published?

You very well know that my point was that at least part of the blame for his plan being shot down at the time was because of the volume and vitriol of Republican attacks on his patriotism and courage, and comparing anyone who supported withdrawal as unamerican, cowards, defeatists, and "cut and runners".

Please, I'm begging you, you are dangerously close to slipping into the same category with bottom dwellers like SlickWilly, LastAmerican and Bowa by arguing minutiae instead of the actual point.

the best example at murtha's ability to sell is the fact that a lowbrow like robtada al sadr now supports it.

Wouldn't that be the best example of his inability to sell? My position hasn't really changed, I've always thought the seperation of Iraq into 3 pieces would be smart... I've always thought it was a little silly to level the playing field by having our troops constantly exposed.

If that's what Murtha was saying in 05, I would have agreed with him to some extent most likely... Don't get all pissy with me because he's a shitty salesman.

no rob, it is precisely because scum LIKE YOU demonized the man that his name cant be associated with the plan.

I work for the Washington Post?

TH: I didnt say that, I said scum LIKE YOU. YOu know the likes of Rush Limbuagh (the drug addict) sean hannity, etc.

I FURTHER consider you a hypocrite to have historically slammed murtha and now tout his plan.

Maybe if he had done a better job of selling his plan as a redeployment of troops within Iraq and triaging the situation I would have agreed with him then... You claim that's what he was saying in '05... I, and most of America didn't see it that way...

HENCE... a shit job of selling his plan...

Calm down...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


TH: Robtada, just because you are so thickheaded you cant understand a good idea when you hear it does not make Murtha a bad salesman. It only means you are an idiot. It would take a long time to explain complex physics to someone with down's syndrome. It took 2 years for you to get through your filter of moronity to see the light. That is not a problem with murtha but your own low capacity for learning.

-Hence... Murtha did a shit job of selling his plan

Rob is like the little kid who always has an excuse, no matter what it was he did.

at least part of the blame for his plan being shot down at the time was because of the volume and vitriol of Republican attacks on his patriotism and courage

I'd say at least half the blame goes to them... I'm not outright denying that...

but then it still falls on Murtha... it was his plan, his idea... and he let the media and the GOP turn it into an immediate cut and run strategy.

If he had done a better job of selling it, more people would support it as Murtha's plan... instead of what it is today as support for ideas also in Murtha's plan.

Okay let me see if I get this straight...

Murtha comes up with this plan for Iraq and announces it to America...

Right away it is reported by the press as an immediate withdrawal of all troops from Iraq. The GOP labels it cut and run and giving up and whatever fun slogans there were in 05...

The public sees it the same way that the GOP and the Media do when it is associated with Murtha... on its own completely disassociated from Murtha the public likes a lot of the ideas in Murtha's plan...

So the public likes the ideas, but when its Murtha's plan that support isn't there...

How is it that he didn't sell it poorly again?

""and he let the media and the GOP turn it into an immediate cut and run strategy.""

He let them??? He is responsible for what they do?? They OWN Fox News and many newspapers. You blaming him for the actions of REpublicans is reeeeeeealy a stretch. Actully it's nonsense.

BTW, we are living in an Alice in Wonderland world where Sadr has his own Army even while members of his group are members of Partiament. So he is quasi legitimate with his own army. It is more evidence of the stupidity that is responsible for much of the mess, stupidity by the Bush administration who did not have a clue how to govern Iraq after the invasion. They disbanded the legitimate army but allowed private militias to remain intact.

but then it still falls on Murtha... it was his plan, his idea... and he let the media and the GOP turn it into an immediate cut and run strategy.



again rob, he did not fail, unthinking drones like yourself accepted the Media and the GOP's lie. THINKING Americans listend and support him. AS EVIDENT by the fact that polls support his plan.

In other words despite ALL the effort of the GOP and the Media fighting to turn his plan into nothing, the americans listened and support it. that sounds like an excellent sales job to me.

"and he let the media and the GOP turn it into an immediate cut and run strategy."

No, he didn't LET them do anything. When you have the President, Vice President, Secretary of Defense, Speaker of the House, Senate Majority Leader and others all repeating the same theme over and over and over and over and over and over and over again to the public, the truth of the message gets drowned out.

That was my point, its a valid point that you simply could not acknowledge, and tried to refute when I made it, but had to wait many posts to finally say:

"I'd say at least half the blame goes to them... I'm not outright denying that..."

Sorta like what you did with Murtha's idea. Nice coopting of a position.

he did not fail, unthinking drones like yourself accepted the Media and the GOP's lie

the GOP's lie? Explain the bolded lines from Wapo, please...

"GOP Assails Murtha's Demand to Leave Iraq

The top House Democrat on military spending matters stunned colleagues yesterday by calling for the immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, while many congressional Democrats reacted defiantly to President Bush's latest attack on his critics."

Murtha comes up with this plan for Iraq and announces it to America...

{SNIP}
TH: Despite massive effort by Republicans, their media dogs, the White House, etc. Americans saw through the lies and bullshit and insults and see the value of his plan and now even numbskulls like you are touting it.

How is it that he didn't sell it poorly again?

TH:he did a great job at selling it as evident by the fact that YOU support it.

No, he didn't LET them do anything

Can you link me to a story about Murtha coming out repeatedly saying they are distorting his message, or perhaps a youtube link to him on a Sunday talk show detailing out his message...

From the word go this plan was painted by the press as Murtha calling for an immediate end to the Iraq war... Clarifications from Murtha either never were issued, or never reported on... Either way, that ain't the GOP's fault.

TH:he did a great job at selling it as evident by the fact that YOU support it.

Posted by truthhurts


I would have supported it back in '05 if he had done a better job selling it.

if so in favour then time to put your butt on the line and stop being a chicken hawk.

Posted by odie1kanobe


Far greater posters then you Frenchy have called me a Chickenhawk... it just doesn't work on me you cheese eating surrender monkey.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-04-16 10:52 AM

Rob

Time to prove you are a man and sign up. Doctor won't miss you as she didn't marry a man just a coward.

if so in favour then time to put your butt on the line and stop being a chicken hawk.

Posted by odie1kanobe


Far greater posters then you Frenchy have called me a Chickenhawk... it just doesn't work on me you cheese eating surrender monkey.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-04-16 10:52 AM

Rob

Time to prove you are a man and sign up. Doctor won't miss you as she didn't marry a man just a coward.

no rob, intelligent people did back then, those with IQ's between 90 and 120 picked up on the plan in 2006, while those with IQ's less than 90 are signing on now.

You are amazing rob how you blame Murtha for YOU not understanding something.

Amazing really.

Time to prove you are a man and sign up. Doctor won't miss you as she didn't marry a man just a coward.

Posted by odie1kanobe


Sorry Frenchy... its really not working... Its just not an insult to me.

I'm not going to get upset about it, but try some other Right winger, some of them do get mad about that line... you might get lucky.

no rob, intelligent people did back then, those with IQ's between 90 and 120 picked up on the plan in 2006, while those with IQ's less than 90 are signing on now.


Want to show me a poll that specifically asks "Do you support Murtha's Plan" or something like that... You know, just to show how many people back murhta when he is actually mentioned in the Poll question... take your time.

Bueller... Bueller?

sorry rob, ran out to grab a salad

i dont think I can continue arguing this with you.

I cant believe your position. it is too ridiculous.

it is murthas fault that YOU couldnt understand his plan.

Oh and if you bother to read that article Truthy, you'll see that WaPo is still reporting that he called for an end to the war, not just a redeployment...

When he first publicly called for ending the war in 2005, he commanded the attention the party's left and right wings.

hahahaha,

yep botched attempt

except one thing

americans now want his plan

americans voted for representatives who want to implement his plan

idiots like you now support his plan.

but because YOU couldnt understand what he was talking about he is a bad salesman.

he must have made the mistake of using multiple syllable words.

Just another defeatacrat...


dude you are like a turd that just wont flush. you keep going round and round but wont go away.

Time to call the plumber.

americans now want his plan

then please link me to a poll about Murtha... Its all you have to do big guy... One simple link mentioning Murtha in the poll would prove that he sold it to the American people as you claim he did.

Time to call the plumber.

Posted by truthhurts


Or you could just show me a poll that actually mentions murtha and support for HIS plan...

ok robturda, keep spinning.

Rob you are so persistently idiotic.

It's A PLAN for getting our troops out of Iraq. You are arguing about whether it has Murtha's name attached to it or not. That is irrelevant. At the election people were voting because they wanted us out of Iraq. They never heard of Murtha, but he got his message across, even though it was disgustingly attacked at first by Bush and the Republicans. The message was Let's Find a Way Out, not "the Murtha plan"

And now you support it. Cool. Phew.

You are arguing about whether it has Murtha's name attached to it or not.

Because from the very beginning of this I said that Murtha did a shitty job selling his plan. Its not irrelevant, it has been the central theme to this debate. I said Murtha did a shit job of selling his plan, since then its been spin, spin, spin about polls not mentioning him and how it was the GOP that twisted it...

Maybe you can succeed where Truthy failed... All I want is a poll that mentions Murtha and his plan. If there is support in that poll, I'll admit I was wrong...

I've been asking for that now for over a half hour... so I'm leaning towards believing there is no such poll, which makes me believe that although people support things that are mentioned in his plan, they don't actually support Murtha... Hence, he did a shit job selling HIS plan... my argument from the start.

Maybe you can succeed where Truthy failed... All I want is a poll that mentions Murtha and his plan.


yes rob, cause in your stupidity that is the only proof that murtha was a poor salesman.
let alone the fact that he authored the plan that americans including numbskulls like you now support

yes rob, cause in your stupidity that is the only proof that murtha was a poor salesman.


Yes why would I consider public support for Murtha's plan evidence of a successful pitch toward the public... how silly of me.

If what you say is true there must be a poll out there saying, "Do you support Representative Murtha's plan for Iraq." Link to it.

Oh and by the way, I don't support sending all our troops in Iraq to Okinowa so no, I don't support his plan... I support a redeployment, but not to Japan.

Yes why would I consider public support for Murtha's plan evidence of a successful pitch toward the public... how silly of me.


i would think the fact that the American public supports his plan would be proof enough for you.

Question for you: DO you support Murtha's plan?

i would think the fact that the American public supports his plan would be proof enough for you.

They support His plan? Link me to that please...

Question for you: DO you support Murtha's plan?

The more i read about it and his words that they should be redeployed to Okinawa... no I don't support his plan... because a redeploy to Okinawa is cutting and running from Iraq. How can they possibly help from Japan?

ok flipper

amazing how you can argue for what 2 or 3 hours without having a clue.

ok rob, whatever, keep it up flip flopper

do have to run though, actually working this afternoon.

Tell you what, I'm going to lunch... take that time to post a poll or two showing support for Murtha and HIS plan to pull all of our troops out of Iraq IMMEDIATELY and positioning them in Okinawa, as is his stated plan.

Such a simple task to prove me wrong... i'm giddy with excitement... be back in a half hour.

ok rob, whatever, keep it up flip flopper


If you hadn't lied about Murtha's plan I would never have said I was on the same page.

If you were honest this convo would have been completely different...

Waiting patiently for that poll... take you time...

btw here is the plan, not some fucked up news article

You mean Murtha's own words!?!?! Are you saying Murtha did not say he wants our troops, all of them, sent to Okinawa?

That's a bold statement you better back up with actual evidence.

OVER THE HORIZON presence,

THAT IS THE PLAN

Posted by truthhurts


I guess Horizon is a point of view... on a large enough scale, Okinawa is just over the Horizon... LMAO... lunch time...

enjoy lunch robturda al sadr el flipperooney

So no link?

Could you at least apologize to me for lying about Murtha's plan?

ok, Im sorry you were too dumb to understand Murtha's plan in 2005. I am confused now, do you support it or not now? I can never tell which side you are on your flip or your flop side.

I am confused now, do you support it or not now? I can never tell which side you are on your flip or your flop side.

Posted by truthhurts


You shouldn't be confused... you lied earlier and told me what I was advocating was Murtha's plan when in truth what I was saying was completely different. If you hadn't lied to me this whole thing wouldn't have happened. Next time stick to telling the truth, it will help you out.

Murtha's plan calls for an immediate withdrawal of all troops from Iraq and by his own words placing them thousands of miles away, his suggestion being Okinawa. I do not support that plan, and if you were honest about him and his plan from the start I would have have said that hours ago.

no it doesnt, here is murtha's plan

My plan calls:

To immediately redeploy U.S. troops consistent with the safety of U.S. forces.
To create a quick reaction force in the region.
To create an over- the- horizon presence of Marines.
To diplomatically pursue security and stability in Iraq



redeploy consistent with safety of US troops

Kurdistan north Iraq is consistent with that

sorry you are wrong once again

redeploy consistent with safety of US troops

Kurdistan north Iraq is consistent with that

sorry you are wrong once again

Posted by truthhurts at


No sweetie you are wrong... Unless you are calling Murtha wrong about his own plan...

. "When I say a timely response, you know, our fighters can fly from Okinawa very quickly," he said

Your opinion is that he meant the Kurdish north... his words say he meant Okinawa...

Sorry, you are wrong... I have Murtha's own words to prove me right. Nice try.

Next time don't lie... or at least don't tell one so easily proven to be a lie.

ahhhh to clear up more of robs lies

lets go to the Meet the Press interview instead of Cheney or rush's or whoevers spin on what he said.

here is the MTP q and a

MR. RUSSERT: What's your response?

REP. MURTHA: There's many countries understand the importance of stability in the Middle East. This is an international problem. We, we use 20 million barrels of oil a day. China's the second largest user. All these countries understand you need stability for the energy supply that's available in the Middle East. So there's many, many countries.

MR. RUSSERT: Who?

REP. MURTHA: Kuwait's one that will take us. Qatar, we already have bases in Qatar. So Bahrain. All those countries are willing to take the United States. Now, Saudi Arabia won't because they wanted us out of there in the first place. So--and we don't have to be right there. We can go to Okinawa. We, we don't have--we can redeploy there almost instantly. So that's not--that's, that's a fallacy. That, that's just a statement to rial up people to support a failed policy wrapped in illusion.

MR. RUSSERT: But it'd be tough to have a timely response from Okinawa.

REP. MURTHA: Well, it--you know, they--when I say Okinawa, I, I'm saying troops in Okinawa. When I say a timely response, you know, our fighters can fly from Okinawa very quickly. And--and--when they don't know we're coming. There's no question about it. And, and where those airplanes won't--came from I can't tell you, but, but I'll tell you one thing, it doesn't take very long for them to get in with cruise missiles or with, with fighter aircraft or, or attack aircraft, it doesn't take any time at all. So we, we have done--this one particular operation, to say that that couldn't have done, done--it was done from the outside, for heaven's sakes.

so lets see Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar

Okinawa only mentioned as a source of air assault.

please continue to lie and obfuscate, this is fun.

so now that you have been further educated.

knowing that Murtha's plan called for redeployment into Kuwait, Bharain, Qatar with air force from Okinawa etal. Can you NOW support his plan?

If not please explain how this differs from your previous concept?

hmmmm rereading what he said it seems that he says move some troops to okinawa and that there are other source of air assualt, presumably carrier groups or subs. hmmm he seems to have a pretty good handle on capabilities, wouldnt your agree robturda?

Okinawa only mentioned as a source of air assault.


Really... again... I have Murtha's words to prove you wrong.

when I say Okinawa, I, I'm saying troops in Okinawa

He wants to redeploy troops to Okinawa...

He also never mentions the Kurdish north in your quote which is what I was advocating when you said my plan matches Murtha.

You have been a big help today Truthy... thank you... I couldn't have pointed out your lies any better myself.

he also mentions kuwait bahrain and qatar, how is that significantly different from your earlier stance?

Hey I wont speak for murtha but I bet he would go along with your idea of moving the troops to a peaceful billet like kurdistan.

of course the point being get our troops out of the firing. You will admit that was his point wont you? and he did specifically say kuwait etc.

ohhhh so their is a big difference from redeploying to Kurdistan iraq and to kuwait. that is your point.

ok nice.

knowing that Murtha's plan called for redeployment into Kuwait, Bharain, Qatar with air force from Okinawa etal. Can you NOW support his plan?

If not please explain how this differs from your previous concept?

Posted by truthhurts


Okay for starters you need to start being honest or I'm done, there is no point in talking if you are just going to lie. Murtha never says the Okinawa redeployment would just be air forces, so there is no way for you to flat out say that with certainty.

Second my position above was to redeploy our troops to the Kurdish North for two reasons, one is to keep the relatively peaceful and stable north from collapsing like the sunnis and shia areas, that is not in Murtha's plan from what I can see.

I would support after a redeployment to the North sending any surplus troops to Kuwait to run strikes in the South if need be, but not Bahrain and Qatar because they couldn't be used fast enough.

ohhhh so their is a big difference from redeploying to Kurdistan iraq and to kuwait. that is your point.

ok nice.

Posted by truthhurts


Our troops could still serve a purpose in Kurdistan, what purpose would they serve in Kuwait? In Kuwait there are no insurgents and terrorists to kill nor would we be allowed to by the Kuwaiti governement if we could.

I said move them to the Kurdish North because they could still play a vital role there in keeping it stable and peaceful and the Kurds are much more welcoming and thankful to American troops then the Sunnis and the Shia...

Now you tell me, is that in Murtha's plan?

ok so now you would support murtha's concept with some minor modifications

so you are now an official cut and runner.

of course the point being get our troops out of the firing. You will admit that was his point wont you?

Sure but his plan removes them from the ability to help as well... what I was saying makes them safer but also keeps them in a position to help at least a good chunk of Iraq.

My position basically writes off 66% of Iraq... let them fight it out and then make nice with the winner... just make sure it doesn't spill over into the Kurds' territory. My position is triage the country, and save what is salvageable, ie the Kurds.

ok so now you would support murtha's concept with some minor modifications

so you are now an official cut and runner.

Posted by truthhurts


how could you consider me a "cut and runner" when I am saying leave the troops in Iraq? Since Murtha's whole plan is get them out of Iraq, I would think keeping them in Iraq would be a tad bit more then a "minor modification."

well actually it is an 80% cut and runner as the Kurds are only 20% of the population.

You are still a cunt and runner.

I would still argue that it is just as easy to respond from Kuwait as from Kurdistan. ok Patton, how are you going to keep those 150K troops supplied in the Kurdish north without a secure supply line to Kuwait? through syria or Iran perhaps?

how could you consider me a "cut and runner" when I am saying leave the troops in Iraq? Since Murtha's whole plan is get them out of Iraq, I would think keeping them in Iraq would be a tad bit more then a "minor modification."

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at


no robturda al patton, you are cut and running from the 80% of Iraq. Your words "write off" that is call cut and run.

and since you are putting our troops in a bag with no supply line, perhaps you should leave military planning to the big boys.

everything you know you learned from playing with your GI Joes with the kung fu grip

I would still argue that it is just as easy to respond from Kuwait as from Kurdistan.

You think its easier for troops in Kuwait to respond to a situation in Kurdistan then it is for troops in Kurdistan to respond to a situation in Kurdistan?

Check the DR lost and found box everyone... Truthy is missing a chromosome...

rob, do you have any concept on the amount of supplies 150K troops need? How do you think they will receive all the gas, oil, tents, bullets, bombs, playboys, cheeze whiz, water, cell phones, armored vests, kevlar, condoms, etc that they will need in Kurdish northern iraq?

it will be far easier for them to respond because their humvees will be able to run on the fuel they have after being serviced with parts delivered to them. Our troops will be enjoying such luxuries as food and water. These will soon be in short supply in Kurdistan when we redeploy and the rest of Iraq is left so the shiia sunni ass fuck parade.

amateurs play at strategy professionals study logistics.

and since you are putting our troops in a bag with no supply line

Last I checked Turkey was a supply line of ours... Also last I checked we could still fly over Iraq...

Last I checked Turkey was a supply line of ours...

Whoops, worded that wrong... last I checked Turkey was an ally of ours...

And i think they would also like the idea of us not bailing out of Iraq completely allowing the Kurds to declare their independence which as you pointed out they would not like.

Just because our forces would be redeployed to the north doesn't mean we would be cut off from everywhere else. I don't know where you are getting that from.

amateurs play at strategy professionals study logistics.

Posted by truthhurts


OH! You didn't tell me you're an expert at Military supply and logistics management... please tell me of all your vast experiences with military supply chains?

they would also view our garrissoning of Kurdish Iraq as a step towards kurdish autonomy.


We pull completely out of Iraq like Murtha wants leaving behind only a small reactionary force and the Kurds will seperate themselves... they're practically their own nation now.

Turkey would be better off letting us stabalize the area and keep it peaceful then just leaving like Murtha wants and having them do their own thing.

turkey wont let us use their country as a supply line. the minimal assistance they have provided has come at a cost. And remember they are fighting and on again off again battle withthe kurds.

ok, Im sorry you were too dumb to understand Murtha's plan in 2005. I am confused now, do you support it or not now? I can never tell which side you are on your flip or your flop side.

Posted by truthhurts


I heard Rob casually say that we should redeploy to the Kurdish territory and Murtha said redeploy to Okinawa? I see no comparison with these plans. Holy crap! TruthHurts. I can't believe that you spent the last five hours asserting this point.

""Turkey would be better off letting us stabalize the area and keep it peaceful then just leaving like Murtha wants and having them do their own thing.""

Turkey is probably realizing or has already realized that we do not have the power to stabilize the area and keep it peaceful. We've been there four years and the insurgency has gotten stronger each year. Both the US and Turkey need to realize that the artifical nation of Iraq is going to break apart, the best we can hope for is a federal system like Biden recommends.

whatever last, you come in 5 hours into an argument and completely and utterly incorrectly state what happened.

typical.

Robturda al patton has completely and ignorantly mistated murtha's position.

first saying he didnt sell it well enough even though most americans support it.

then saying murtha said redeploy to okinawa when Murtha actually said redeploy to kuwait bahrain qatar

then he said that americans would be better suited redeploying to kurdish north even though itis proven that we will not be able to support ourselves there.

so butt out unless you can follow along.

REP. MURTHA: Kuwait's one that will take us. Qatar, we already have bases in Qatar. So Bahrain. All those countries are willing to take the United States.


last can you read this? are you able to read? are you too stupid to know what this means? do you need someone to explain it to you?

"I heard Rob casually say that we should redeploy to the Kurdish territory and Murtha said redeploy to Okinawa? I see no comparison with these plans."

Ah, he emerges again from make-believe world yet again.

So you really don't see that 2 plans could be similar in scope, yet differ on the details?

Really?

"last can you read this? are you able to read? are you too stupid to know what this means? "

Come on, Truthhurts....Horace...er...La
stAmerican isn't stupid at all. He's rather intelligent.

He's just partisan.

Big difference!

That is Hilarious Lisa cause if He was soooo Intelligent He could have debated OzarkAggie aka MikeSiesel instead of just asking Balderdash questions. You know what I am sayin Dontcha.

Larry

I'd say ignoring terrorism for some of the 80s, all of the 90s and 1 year of this decade was... Since that is the reason we are where we are now.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Clinton made the destruction of Al Qaeda and terrorist networks his #1 priority, setting up a dept. to deal with it specifically. The first to ever do so.

Bush, AFTER 9/11, shut DOWN the Bin Laden/Al Qaeda desk and reassigned the personnel to hunt for dirt on Saddam. All were as baffled as I am now. We still haven't caught a 6'7" man on dialysis, when the 1993 WTC bombers were all arrested within FOUR WEEKS, and an international manhunt resulted in Ramzi Yousef's arrest IN PAKISTAN 3 years later.

Bush has created more terrorists than ever in the history of mankind. Bin Laden kisses Bush's picture every morning for his gift of a terrorist recruiter's dream. US Troops preemptively INVADING a ME country.

The Taliban has launched a spring offensive against NATO forces (American, British, and Canadian) FIVE YEARS after we invaded Afghanistan. Bin Laden and his minions are still on the loose.

Ya, Bush has done a great job. Ya, uh huh.

Larry:

Horace is intelligent. Mike is more so.

Yes. I thought that Horace cowarded out by doing nothing but ask questions, but....on the whole, he is intelligent.

I just wish he'd stop hiding behind a different handle and come out. I thought he might do so on his own and gave him the time to, but he didn't.

Horace is ok. He just went nuts for awhile when he joined the dark forces with Rex/Jackass/Stalkerville.

Did Horace have an imaginary son too?

"Since that is the reason we are where we are now."

Republicans believe in personal responsibility/
accountability....unless it applies to them!

"Did Horace have an imaginary son too?"

I don't recall that.

Come on Horace.....come clean here!

I've had Last pegged as Horace since his third post. Others told me "no, no, no...that's not Horace" and I kept saying "yes, yes, yes...it is!!!"

And I am right....aren't I Larry?!

Yeah what SanantonioRogue said.

Larry

Yes last is Horace He emailed Me another one which btw the writen words disapear once You have read it funny dat

Larry

I actually want Horace to post under his original handle. I'm not sure why, but I do.

Come now, Horace....let it all go. It will be exhilerating for you to shed the old handle and announce to all of drudge that you are back!

Now Larry...will you ever doubt me again???

lol

No Ma'am

Larry

So if Last is Horace and not Lokiderflarastateenagemutantni
njaturtle, then Bowa is? There were similarities with both, although Slickwillie is right there too.

But Lisa I can not believe You would be supporting Horace a Guy who lies about a supposed Son that Supposedly wasa Marine in Iraq then was going in the summer. No person who fakes a Son being in Harms way deserves support. That is what Bugs me about Your trying to coax this shit out of Him and trying to play Nicey Nice.

Larry

Bowa IS Lokisfur He is the only one who has ever emailed Me from a Hushmail source. Oh and SlicksterWilly is Box Itch.

Larry

"then Bowa is? "

Again, as I have been saying all along....Bowa is Lokiderflawa.

Or is it Derflokiwa?

He's had so many handles I can't remember which one came in what order anymore!

Larry:

I have a forgiving heart. I don't usually hold a grudge.

Lokisfur came first then Derfla5 that ended on September 03 when RastaNinjja took over now Bowa.

Larry

You are a Better person than I am Lisa.

Larry

Bowa is Lokiderflawa -yeppers

Least American is Horace's negative IQ clone?

Didn't know that!

Wishes His Willy Were Slick is Lurchy, juuuust able to stretch both pinkies out of the straitjacket far enough to type.

See....I forgot Rastaninny.

lol...Corkster!!

Lisa has Mail

Larry

"last can you read this? are you able to read? are you too stupid to know what this means? "

Come on, Truthhurts....Horace...er...La
stAmerican isn't stupid at all. He's rather intelligent.

He's just partisan.

Big difference!

Posted by Lisa



uhhhh... Thanks, Lisa... I think...

You're right. I am partisan and Murtha has no credibility left for anyone to take him seriously.

Larry, San, Corky, and the other lefty idiots,

Why do you even bother to post anything?

TruthHurts,

I read through "most" of the thread and you asserted yourself in an arrogant way as one would do from a weak position. That's all I observed. Since Murtha has very little political capital, his "advise" is viewed as a fart in the wind and I doubt anyone (except maybe for you) gives him any consideration. I thought Rob was being kind to you, frankly.

You're right. I am partisan and Murtha has no credibility left for anyone to take him seriously.


Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-04-16 05:22 PM | Reply

A whole lot more credibility than You will ever have Horace the one who has the utter fucking gall to Lie about a supposed Marine Son that was in Iraq then Going come on Pal don't talk to Me about Murtha having No Credibility. You dig.

Larry

"Why do you even bother to post anything?

Posted by LastAmerican"

Because it disturbs you and makes you post even more idiotic things. But at least it gives you something to talk to your imaginary son about.

My son is:

A. Serving in Iraq
B. Going to Iraq this summer
C. Already won the war in Iraq and is home
D. An imaginary character I invented to try to lend importance to one of my posts.

-LastAmerican

On second thought, I'm not sure Horace could even pretend to be this thick.

A whole lot more credibility than You will ever have Horace the one who has the utter fucking gall to Lie about a supposed Marine Son that was in Iraq then Going come on Pal don't talk to Me about Murtha having No Credibility. You dig.

Larry

Posted by LarryMohr



Larry, you are a self-admitted idiot. Who cares what you say?

"Why do you even bother to post anything?

Posted by LastAmerican"

Because with a minimal effort we can goad you into saying really dumb stuff, and thats amusing, LLPOF.

Now off for Italian food!

Posted by SanAntonioRogue

I have never seen anyone lose an argument simply by making a post. Amazing.

This thread died...

The last intellegent post from the left was made by Lisa.

Because with a minimal effort we can goad you into saying really dumb stuff, and thats amusing, LLPOF.

And, you haven't said anything dumb? ROTFL

Now off for Italian food!

Posted by SanAntonioRogue

I would much rather be the worlds dumbest Moron than a complet fraud and phoney. You dig??

Larry

Spreading more fraud I see ehhhh Horace. You are a Phoney Phonier than a 3 dollar bill. You dig THAT Horace.

Larry

LastAmericanLiar is making up stories again. You've got more imagination than Stephan King.

LA, I thought I've seen you say he's already there.

No?

He's back and going again?

For MrCairo

He's a Marine. Going to Iraq in Summer. Now, please shutup. BTW, I didn't read the rest of your post. Was there anything important?
Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-03-18 11:10 PM | Reply


Now, what have you done about your troops? Tell me, did you buy a yellow magnet?

Posted by Generico


My son is a US Marine in Iraq.

Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-03-05 04:27 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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Larry

LA's "son" comes and goes depending on how much medication he's on. If LA forgets to take his meds, his "son" is in Iraq. When he takes them, his "son" is here.

LA has as much credibility as a used car dealer.

www.drudge.com

www.drudge.com

Larry

Posted by LarryMohr


That's right Larry, He's going in Summer, but you missed the point

THE POINT IS... that he is going in service of an undeserving lowlife... YOU!

That's the part that burns me up!

Then you elect into Congress an idiot who makes their job even harder and gets more troops and civilians killed.

LA has as much credibility as a used car dealer.

Posted by BullMoose


Itsme, why don't you use your other name anymore? Lost credibility?

Then you elect into Congress an idiot who makes their job even harder and gets more troops and civilians killed.

Posted by LastAmerican

You elect a moron who starts the whole friggin' mess

No, I never posted as Itsme.

Dickweed.

LA
You said you'd prove that I posted under another name. You were writing out of your ass...again.

You Jackass.

No, I never posted as Itsme.

Dickweed.


Posted by BullMoose


LOL

I never posted as Lokifur

"I never posted as Lokifur"

LOL

Then you elect into Congress an idiot who makes their job even harder and gets more troops and civilians killed.

Posted by LastAmerican

You elect a moron who starts the whole friggin' mess

Posted by AllAmerican



I think this is what SanAntonioRogue was talking about, when he referred to "dumb stuff"

Were'd you go SanAntonioRogue?

says something dumb then splits.

You have no point Horace. All You are is a fraud. It is well documented in Your posts.

Larry

The political movement of fiery Iraqi Shi'ite cleric and militia leader Moqtada al-Sadr said on Sunday it would withdraw from the government on Monday to press its demand for a timetable for a U.S. troop withdrawal.

Seems like sadr's murderous militia are really just US Democrats.

Who knew.

LOL

Damn.

I forgot and did it again.

I had reannounced that I was LastAmerican. And, there I went and asked myself about my own son.

To answer myself (many thanks Larry of the LarryM and LarryMohr ids - Don't think the father of a Marine didn't catch that little game of yours - see below)...my son is in Iraq, or going to Iraq, depending on how scary it all is sounding over there.

Soon I'll have a daughter and she will be going over there too if it gets real nasty.

But then the psychotic disconnect over the Surge not working out would get in the way so I'll probably just roll up into the fetal position and rock back and forth for a week.

Sorry folks. You don't know what a burden it is to keep accusing others of different ids and then having to keep it all straight!

You have no point Horace. All You are is a fraud. It is well documented in Your posts.

Larry

Posted by LarryMohr


That's where you fall down. The fact is is that Hans lied about the links to my posts and you believed his lie. That's it.

I am so confident that I did not lie, that I did not change my name.

In addition, the smarter people on this blog already know this, but the slower posters just keep on keepen on....

I just like pointing that out every time, "Larry, the slow one"

And you idiots just keep falling into the trap.

BTW, did you know that the Democrats that you elected in November are responsible for the outcome of the war and have made things much worse in Bagdad?

Seems like sadr's murderous militia are really just US Democrats.

Who knew.

LOL



Posted by Bowa


Strange, but true, Bowa.

"I had reannounced that I was LastAmerican. And, there I went and asked myself about my own son."

You're not LastAmerican. I'm LastAmerican!

ROFLMMFAO MrCairo Too fucking funny. Kuddos.

Larry

You proud of your "victory" in November?

ROFLMMFAO MrCairo Too fucking funny. Kuddos.

Larry

Posted by LarryMohr


Larry, it's painful to watch you make an ass out of yourself. I yawned at that lame post.

Pelosi doesn't care about anyone who makes sacrifices for our country. She is out to get Bush in order to further her own career.

Larry,

Would you please just SHUT UP!!! You are making an ass of the Liberal Voice on the Drudge Retort.

-- The Libs on D.R.

A moment of your time everyone if you please....

Larry's post was far too complimentary and there was a reason for it....

I am LarryM.

I am no longer LastAmerican.

However I do hanker after some of his fine eloquence.

Bill

You may now reannounce your candidacy for LastAmerican. I endorse your campaign.

Oh God someone shoot Me and put Me out of My Misery LMAO

Larry

Sorry MrCairo, but on further reflection, I was wrong. I'm actually Hans!

That would be the gunman thread Larry. LastAmerican probably can tell you about the time he killed an entire terror cell with a single shot.

Bill? You Hans-ome devil you.

I am Spartatookus

Too fucking Hilarious MrCairo. What did He use some kind of Pea shooter?? Or a Potato Gun??

Larry

"LastAmerican probably can tell you about the time he killed an entire terror cell with a single shot."

LastAmerican AKA The Terminator. LOL. Funny flag.

Larry,

I'm sure you've heard of the phrase, "shot his wad"? LastAmerican was by himself at the time of the incident shall we say. The pages of Soldier of Fortune don't come pre-stuck together I believe.

Bill - many thanks.

By the way - apologies for blowing a blood vessel there a few weeks back.

AHhhhhhhh like the time Dubya single handedly saved Alabama from the VC huh?? Too fricking funny.

Larry

"By the way - apologies for blowing a blood vessel there a few weeks back."

No problem, MrCairo. I kinda lost it myself. We're cool.

Larry:
Mail

LastAmerican, stop wasting your time with these losers. They seem to be teenagers, maybe in their twenties, but any older than that? They are losers.

Larry, why did you take time to build a web site in LastAmerican's honor? Are you that obsessed? What kind of loser would do that?