Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Wednesday, April 04, 2007

Israel is ready to hold peace talks with Syria, the speaker of the US House of Representatives said today after meeting the Syrian president, Bashar Assad, in Damascus. [Bandelier]

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Why does Assad hate Bush so much?

Good for her, if that's what it takes to get Syria to start playing things straight, so be it. However, if this is just more games by the Syrians, then Nancy will not need eyeliner for awhile.

FUNNY RIGHT....but 3 republicans just left Syria...so what do you call that

Bipartisanship?

how about if daddy will not let you do it ...go ask mommy

Well, if the Bush cabal can't/fail to do their job for this country at least we see someone who is!

Pelosi has shown Bush up here, and if she continues to take steps like this as we get closer to elections the republicans are going to look extremely stupid.

They play politics while Pelosi is doing hard work.

FUNNY RIGHT....but 3 republicans just left Syria...so what do you call that

Posted by judas


The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Enter Pelosi.

If I were Syria and Iran, I would be looking for a dumb sap who is also opposed to the Bush Administration.

Enter Pelosi.

Even the Syrians recognize a lame duck when they see one.

Last, on the other hand, still sees the Messiah.
Good work on freeing the hostages, Nancy!

Last-
So...A group of Republicans went to Syria and met with its leader in spite of WH objections (I'm going by Bush's statements regarding visits to Syria by "Republicans or Democrats" here) because they're the "enemy"?

(Nice yoga position; it looks painful, though)

Lostamerican, how do your Irani wife and makebelieve marine son in Iraq feel about it?

Speaking of yoga positions, have you tried the "swan putting its head up the glorious leader's ass"?

Ah, I see you have.

It still looks painful. Practice, I guess.

"Lostamerican, how do your Irani wife and makebelieve marine son in Iraq feel about it?"

Ah, yes, the
"My Son is a Marine" Lie.

A classic, along with:

- The "Hans Alters Posts" Lie
- The "I Got Hans Banned" Lie
- The "I Read Loki, Who is Loki" Lie

Hans

Confused? Is Bowa Loki or is last American Loki?

Last is LLPOF.

"LOL"

FUNNY RIGHT....but 3 republicans just left Syria...so what do you call that

Posted by judas

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-04-04 09:33 PM | Reply | Flag

So republicans are Bush's enemy now too!

Even the Syrians recognize a lame duck when they see one.

Last, on the other hand, still sees the Messiah.
Good work on freeing the hostages, Nancy!

Posted by northguy3


Northguy,

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

comeone, do you need an explanation?

So republicans are Bush's enemy now too!

Posted by moneywar


Are you saying that the Republicans got the hostages released by visiting Syria?

Care to explain?

"Care to explain?"

Yeah, LLPOF, care to explain:

-
The "Hans Alters Posts" Lie
- The "My Son is a Marine" Lie
- The "I Got Hans Banned" Lie
- The "I Read Loki, Who is Loki" Lie

Give it try, LLPOF.

I'm sure we'd all love to hear it.

Hans

Oops, almost forgot: LOL

Cartoon #2 sums up Pelosi's trip to Syria nicely:

nydailynews.com

Lostamerican, how do your Irani wife and makebelieve marine son in Iraq feel about it?

Posted by oldwhiskeysour


My wife cares not. She thinks the Iranian govmt is bad and she thinks Bush is evil (so do I), but we both love America.

Since you are probably a Xenophobe, you already don't like my wife because she's Iranian. Your problem. (She probably makes more money than you) Opps. was that a jab?

I don't have a makebelieve marine son in Iraq. I Do have a son who is a Marine and will be deploying in Summer.

Any more questions asshole?


Here's a question for you. Your hero Pelosi has just made an even bigger mistake than the no funding mistake of last week. How do you feel about Pelosi going over to there and getting suck in by the Syrian Govenrment? They saw her coming! How does that make you feel?

How about this you fucking assholes that keep ruining threads(Hans,Trees,Boyduh) try something other than stalking Lastamerican.

"I don't have a makebelieve marine son in Iraq. I Do have a son who is a Marine and will be deploying in Summer."

A new twist on the
"My Son is a Marine" Lie.

Hans

"...try something other than stalking Lastamerican."

In defense of a known (and admitted) liar?

Interesting.

Hans

I can see why this site has just a few people that post.

"How about this you fucking assholes ..."

How about a little more fiber in your diet?

Hans

How about this you fucking assholes that keep ruining threads(Hans,Trees,Boyduh) try something other than stalking Lastamerican.

Posted by libnazi at 2007-04-04 10:13 PM | Reply | Flag:


And that is what our Party is all about.



Posted by Hans



Hanster, made a page in my honor!

Thank you hanster!

Hanster thinks I'm such a threat on DR that he made a page. Changing and manipulated the text and putting it up there, just like he's been doing on the Retort.

Hanster, Keep trudgin on the hanster wheel, boy.

LOL!!! Damn fool.

LastAM,

Looks like you have the popularity of Bush! And that is what our Party is all about!!!!!!!!!

"Changing and manipulated the text and putting it up there..."

Oh, the
"Hans Alters Posts" Lie.

Hans

Hey Barbo, I guess those links DO work, huh?

Last-
The bill provides funds. Why is Bush vowing to veto funding for the troops?

How about this you fucking assholes that keep ruining threads(Hans,Trees,Boyduh) try something other than stalking Lastamerican.

Posted by libnazi at 2007-04-04 10:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

And that is what our Party is all about.


Posted by moneywar



LibNazi,

I have been pummeling these lefties for weeks and it's fun! Hans has come up with a way that they can all rally around.

You see Hans keeps every single posts on his computer in a program called Yankee Clipper. It keeps text clippings and such of which you can search, change, manipulate and repost any time you want.

The Lefties here desperately need Hans' dishonesty in order to keep the conversation away from the, well, topic of the thread. They are pathetic at debate, so they do that.

Hans is a loser and I exposed him. But, the lefties think he's Superman. Pathetic isn't it? (They're getting steamed just reading this).

Last-
The bill provides funds. Why is Bush vowing to veto funding for the troops?

Posted by Boyd


Your not stupid.

Last-
The bill provides funds. Why is Bush vowing to veto funding for the troops?


Dishonest maybe, but not stupid.

"Hey Barbo, I guess those links DO work, huh?"

Fifteen minutes without a lie from LLPOF is like a day without sunshine.

Hans

"The Lefties here desperately need Hans' dishonesty ..."

LLPOF: Anatomy of a Liar

The "Hans Alters Posts" Lie
The "My Son is a Marine" Lie
The "I Got Hans Banned" Lie
The "I Read Loki, Who is Loki" Lie
Hans

Oh, and before I forget: "LOL"

I do so adore when an MPD starts posting in support of themselves, don't you?

Hey Barbo, I guess those links DO work, huh?

Posted by TreesGoneWild


Spoofy!

Yes, I'm on a differnet computer. Firewall wouldn't let me through.

You proud of that? ME TOO. I've never been famous... infamous? ... In-Famous, which means more than famous, ya know.

Hans thinks I'm important enough to have a web site! WooHoo!

Oh, and before I forget: "LOL"

And that is what our Party is all about.

Ans Hans keep posting it. It's great!

I can see why this site has just a few people that post.

Posted by libnazi


Yes, I think RCade will want to start kicking some asses pretty soon.

Where's Northguy, WiskeySour, Boyd, Lisa,

Hans, you dolt! They all left again.

You idiot.


LibNazi,

Happens every time. Get a good thread going and Hanster brings his wheel in. Everyone leaves.

"Hans thinks I'm important enough to have a web site!"

And LLPOF thinks Photobucket.com is my Web site.

What makes it delicious, however, is that the Drudge posting history may come and go, but LLPOF's history of lies will live on forever on
Adobe's FlashPaper and whatever site I wish to place them.

So, veteran poster or newbie, the choice is easy:

LLPOF's empty words, or:

LLPOF: Anatomy of a Liar

The "Hans Alters Posts" Lie
The "My Son is a Marine" Lie
The "I Got Hans Banned" Lie
The "I Read Loki, Who is Loki" Lie
Hans

"LOL"

Last-
Nice commentary, but you didn't answer the question. Is it because Bush's tender sensibilities are repulsed by the 'pork'(ROTFLMAO), or what?

"Yes, I think RCade will want to start kicking some asses pretty soon."

Sounds familiar.

Oh, yes, the
"I Got Hans Banned" Lie.

Hans

"LOL"

MoneyWar,

What do you think about Pelosi going over and negotiating?

You think that Iranians saw her coming and pounces on the opportunity.

(Enemy of my enemy is my friend)

Last-
Nice commentary, but you didn't answer the question. Is it because Bush's tender sensibilities are repulsed by the 'pork'(ROTFLMAO), or what?

Posted by Boyd


I'm sorry Boyd, There's too much going on. What was the question?

Those are our principles.

We believe in the power of the American people more than the power of the government.

So by this it would mean the funding bill will pass with flying colors.

We believe in the power of good in the world over the power of evil.

So Pelosi did the job and freed the hostages and got the beginnings of a dialogue between Syria and Israel.


We believe in the power of faith and the power of freedom.

Yep, those torture camps in Indonesia is showing the faith a freedom!


And that is what our Party is all about.

LastAM,

This is part of your mission statement but it takes a top democrat to make such things happen.

Last-
The bill provides funds. Why is Bush vowing to veto funding for the troops?

Posted by Boyd


Wait Boyd, begs the question. Are you being dishonest or are you stupid?

The bill is full of pork. Could sign that, but there is the thing about the time table. War-time President can't sign that.

Is that the answer you are looking for?

Now, can you answer my question? (Dishonest or Stupid)

Last,

What do you think about Pelosi going over and negotiating?

About fucking time a representative of our country did their fucking job!!!!

At least she sees the failure of this CIC and desided that the country's best interest was at stake and did his job for him.

When there is a lack of leadership, someone always rises to take the place of the failings.

Last-
re "Could sign that, but there is the thing about the time table. War-time President can't sign that."

Thank you.

As to your other question, Bush is both dishonest AND stupid.

"I'm on a differnet(sic) computer."

I'll bet you are.

Last-
So, the President doesn't think the "surge" will work. Not only does he not think it will work over the next friedman or so, but he doesn't think it will even work by late 2008.

MoneyWar,

Good post. I hope it's all true.

Nice commentary, but you didn't answer the question. Is it because Bush's tender sensibilities are repulsed by the 'pork'(ROTFLMAO), or what?


Now that was a really dumb question, Boyd.

Of course Bush is offended by pork. He's fiscally responsible. He abhors wasteful spending at a federal level.

Get a clue.

Last-
So, the President doesn't think the "surge" will work. Not only does he not think it will work over the next friedman or so, but he doesn't think it will even work by late 2008.


Posted by Boyd


I believe I'm having to explain this.

You don't tell the enemy when you're leaving even if it's 10 years from now.

This is not a f#cking business project where you know most of the requirements and you can tell people generally when it will be done.

This is war!

"I'm on a differnet(sic) computer."

I'll bet you are.

Posted by DATA


What? you don't think I have another computer? Maybe a work computer? Maybe a Home computer? What?

What does it matter Einstein?

Jeff J-
Of course Bush is offended by pork. He's fiscally responsible. He abhors wasteful spending at a federal level.

Get a clue.


Thanks for setting me straight, Jeff.

Of course Bush is offended by pork. He's fiscally responsible. He abhors wasteful spending at a federal level.


JeffJ you have officially become my Conservative hero.

Seriously man, I'd give you my Bud Light.

"Bush is offended by pork. He's fiscally responsible."

Pfffffffff. What has he ever done that would indicate that to be true?

re: This is not a f#cking business project...

Apparently not, cause their asses would've been shit-canned by now.

Joe-
Jeff J was being ironic.

over the head

knot2 brite

What do you think about Pelosi going over and negotiating?

About fucking time a representative of our country did their fucking job!!!!

Posted by moneywar


If she made any progress it's because the Syrians and the Iranians don't want to deal with the current Administration and will thus undermine it.

Remember Reagan with the Iranians? The Iranians would not deal with the current Administartion....

It's an old trick. But if it works.

But, Syria and Iran will forever be poor and stupid.

I tell ya, the Iranians I know in the US are fed up with it and have accepted the stupipity of their former government. . They are Americans now and proud of it. They also retain their Persian culture, though, and are very proud. Most are very successful in this country unlike American born. They have a good work ethic and a good sense of business.

over the head

knot2 brite

Posted by DATA


Date found some mushrooms and is flyen high!

You're welcome, Boyd.


Trees,

I sincerely appreciate the Bud Light, and am willing to drink it. However, I am drinking a 'Bell's Oberon' at the moment.


Completely opposite direction......


My wife made the collosal mistake of suggesting that we get my boys an aquarium for Christmas. Let's just say that you know these fish are mean when it's the "Green Terror" that is getting beat up. YES, it's really called that! Here's a pic:

www.akvaryum.com

Beautiful fish, and very deserving of its name!

This is not a f#cking business project where you know most of the requirements and you can tell people generally when it will be done.

Of course not:

"My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." --March 16, 2003 (Cheney)

"I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." -- on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005
(Cheney)

Joe,


Joe-
Jeff J was being ironic.

Posted by Boyd


Bingo!!!

You didn't detect my sarcasm, Joe?

Last-
What do you think of the overture from the Israeli gov't delivered by Pelosi to avoid war? (or didn't you know of that?)

re: This is not a f#cking business project...

Apparently not, cause their asses would've been shit-canned by now.

Posted by Boyd


Boyd, your not Stupid, so you are dishonest.

It's a war dumdum. You don't tell the enemy when you're leaving.

Last-
What do you think of the overture from the Israeli gov't delivered by Pelosi to avoid war? (or didn't you know of that?)

Posted by Boyd


This is how I deflect and avoid the question. BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BALA

Boyd

"Jeff J was being ironic"

Joe wouldn't know irony if it "body slammed him into the pavement and stole his vaseline."

It's not a war, dipshit. It's a regime change in the name of freedom and shit.

This is how I deflect and avoid the question.

LOL!!!

--LastAmerican

"I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." -- on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005
(Cheney)
Posted by Boyd


Boyddum,

You don't tell the enemy when you're leaving.

Give it up.

You're starting to go from dishonest to stupid.

Most are very successful in this country unlike American born.

Go to bed, your bigotry shown too much face!

Whatever you say, skidmark.

One shot, offhand.
i179.photobucket.com

"What? you don't think I have another computer? Maybe a work computer? Maybe a Home computer? What?

What does it matter Einstein?"

Bwahahahahaha. LastAmerican, the gift that keeps on giving.

Joe wouldn't know irony if it "body slammed him into the pavement and stole his vaseline."

Posted by Bill_OReilly at 2007-04-04 11:05 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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Ummmmm I thought one was supposed to come Pre Lubed already and not need to carry around vaseline Hmmmmmm something is fishy with THAT statement.

Larry

Last-
We already have told the "enemy" (whomever they are currently) when we are leaving: never.

Most are very successful in this country unlike American born.

Go to bed, your bigotry shown too much face!

Posted by moneywar


I'm bigoted against myself? funny.

I'm American born.

BTW, Last, who is our enemy in Iraq now?

Last-
We already have told the "enemy" (whomever they are currently) when we are leaving: never.

Posted by Boyd

You're getting it.

BTW, Last, who is our enemy in Iraq now?

Posted by Boyd


Al Quaeda is our enemy.

I'm American born.

I wouldn't brag too much about that, your posts are not from the upper crust!!!

Last-
I like this quote better, but whatever:

"My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." --March 16, 2003 (Cheney)

As to the Israeli message delivered via Pelosi, why don't you google it, as it's obvious that you haven't heard of it through your regular sources of "information".

I'm American born.

I wouldn't brag too much about that, your posts are not from the upper crust!!!

Posted by moneywar


I don't know what you're getting at. You think I'm lower class because my wife is Iranian?

Aren't you the Xenophobic Redneck.

She makes more than you.

Last-
re: Al Quaeda is our enemy.

1. Then why did we divert resources from Afghanistan to go into Iraq, and why is bin Laden still breathing?

2. Then why are we funding the Sunni Saudi's and their Sunni terrorist friends?

3. Then why are Bush and other simimilarly afflicted retards pushing for confrontation with Shia Iran as the "real enemy"?


"My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." --March 16, 2003 (Cheney)

As to the Israeli message delivered via Pelosi, why don't you google it, as it's obvious that you haven't heard of it through your regular sources of "information".

Posted by Boyd



How 'bout you just admit you can't get past the question.

Boyd,

Im new to the thread and underlying arm twisting here...but Isreal didn't deliver a message to Syria via Pelosi.....at least thats what the PM of Isreal is stating...

www.haaretz.com

Boyd, you got sources for all these statements?

Who is talking about your wife, I'm sure she out classes you!!!!

Education son!

You're apparently a child left behind!

"Boyd, you got sources for all these statements?"

I do:

LLPOF: Anatomy of a Liar

The "Hans Alters Posts" Lie
The "My Son is a Marine" Lie
The "I Got Hans Banned" Lie
The "I Read Loki, Who is Loki" Lie
Hans

Who is talking about your wife, I'm sure she out classes you!!!!

Education son!

You're apparently a child left behind!

Posted by moneywar



What? I've beaten you so badly that you are picking at my writing skills?

I even went easy on you tonight.

That's pathetic MoneyWar. Go to bed, you're done.

"If Israel is really interested in renewing negotiations for peace, it must declare this in a clear manner," Bilal said.

It's just what I heard. (Thanks for the link, Andrea...BTW, what are you wearing?)

"Boyd, you got sources for all these statements?"

Yeah, Boyd. I never heard of that Cheney statement before.

LOL!!!

Andrea,

Here for your enjoyment:

Mr Olmert met Ms Pelosi at the weekend, asking her to pass on a message to Mr Assad that Israel was willing to talk to Syria if it openly took steps to stop supporting terrorism.

Boyd, you got sources for all these statements?

Posted by LastAmerican


Try reality.

Trying something new is good for you, Last Anachronism.


Last-
What question? As far as who our enemy in Iraq is, I believe I answered your reply at 11:18.

Boyd,

what are you wearing?

I have to hand it to you, that's a clever deflection.

Andrea, what ARE you wearing?

What? I've beaten you so badly that you are picking at my writing skills?

Apparently understanding skills is lacking too!

who our enemy in Iraq?

Non US federal banks.

Last-
You obviously don't get the reference, or the joke to Andrea. Also, you have not answered any of my 11:18 questions.

Last-
What question? As far as who our enemy in Iraq is, I believe I answered your reply at 11:18.

Posted by Boyd


More deflection. OK.

The point is, Boyd, that Bush is not going to sign the bill with a time table in it.

In fact, He could just say f#ck it (in a Presidential way) and not sign it, evacuate troops as fast as possible.

What would happen in Iraq then?

"Also, you have not answered any of my 11:18 questions."

Boyd, getting answers will be a miracle.

Good luck.

Hans

Mr Olmert met Ms Pelosi at the weekend, asking her to pass on a message to Mr Assad that Israel was willing to talk to Syria if it openly took steps to stop supporting terrorism.

Wow! Talking to the opposition. What a concept.


Bet no one could have foreseen that negotiations might somehow someday lead to compromise, settlement, and peace.

If peace were to break out, what would Blackwater and Haliburton do?

Besides move off shore so that they don't return any of the taxpayer dollars they are paid.

Andrea-
Not that this proves the debatable point, but what would you expect the Israeli PM to say?

Last-
You obviously don't get the reference, or the joke to Andrea. Also, you have not answered any of my 11:18 questions.

Posted by Boyd


They're not questions. They're unrelated statements. Nice try though.

We are still talking about the Funding Bill (such that it is) and how Bush will not sign it with a time table in it.

Conceed?

Last-
It's not deflection. I asked who the enemy was in Iraq. You answered. I asked pertinent questions, you did not answer.

who our enemy in Iraq?

Non US federal banks.

Posted by moneywar


Good Point, Money! I see you've come out of your stuper.

Hmmm, so bush wouldnt sign a bill because of pork, even though he wants the soldiers to have the money.

Sounds like what happened to john kerry and the "i voted for it before i voted against it" deal.

Shoes on the other foot, now. It's bullshit, isn't it? Eat it.

Last:
re: Last-
re (your statement): Al Quaeda is our enemy.

1. Then why did we divert resources from Afghanistan to go into Iraq, and why is bin Laden still breathing?

2. Then why are we funding the Sunni Saudi's and their Sunni terrorist friends?

3. Then why are Bush and other simimilarly afflicted retards pushing for confrontation with Shia Iran as the "real enemy"?

Posted by Boyd at 2007-04-04 11:18 PM | Reply | Flag:


How are these questions not pertinent?

Last-
It's not deflection. I asked who the enemy was in Iraq. You answered. I asked pertinent questions, you did not answer.

Posted by Boyd



Boyd, quit being pigheaded.

We are talking about the timetable that you keep avoiding.

I will not change the subject. Nice try though.

Where's Andrea?

Hmmm, so bush wouldnt sign a bill because of pork, even though he wants the soldiers to have the money.

Sounds like what happened to john kerry and the "i voted for it before i voted against it" deal.

Shoes on the other foot, now. It's bullshit, isn't it? Eat it.

Posted by I_N_Cognito


Reading comprehension problem?

He won't sign it because of the time table.

It's been said 20 times on this thread.

Last, you are making a total fool of yourself while declaring victory.

Again.

Please stop, I feel humiliated reading what everyone does to you on a nightly basis. It's embarrassing.

Hmmm, so bush wouldnt sign a bill because of pork, even though he wants the soldiers to have the money.

He had no trouble signing the Republican pork laden bill last year.

"Thanks for the link, Andrea...BTW, what are you wearing?"

Yeah, Andrea. Shorts and a t-shirt? LOL.

Last-
re: "What would happen in Iraq then?"

We'll simply bomb the infrastructure and create a bloody civil war in our vengeance for 9/11 and search for WMD and stupidity in listening to Bush, but in REVERSE, making it all better.

Last, you are making a total fool of yourself while declaring victory.

More deflection.

Please stick to the subject.

Last-
re: "What would happen in Iraq then?"

We'll simply bomb the infrastructure and create a bloody civil war in our vengeance for 9/11 and search for WMD and stupidity in listening to Bush, but in REVERSE, making it all better.

Posted by Boyd



More dishonesty? Or is it stupidity this time.

Please stick to the subject.

*****

More dishonesty? Or is it stupidity this time.


I reiterate: You are making a fool of yourself again. Please stop, last...

MoneyW,

The "message" from Israel, has been the message for awhile now. There is nothing new in Israels stance regarding Syria. So the idea that Pelosi had a special "message", or change of stance is misinformation.

Bill, you haven't asked me for a falafel in a long time.....at least Boyd cares about what I am wearing at true gentlemen!

;)



I love how Nancy Pelosi shows no respect for the office of the President. She's not just showing disrespect for President Bush, she's showing disrespect for the office of the President as well.

Syria is a supporter of Hezbollah which is a known terrorist organization. They blew up our Marines in Beirut in the 1980's and have been involved in numerous other deadly attacks throughout the 80's and into the 90's.

Those Republicans who went over are asses too, but Nancy Pelosi is the Speaker of the House. She is the most powerful member of Congress and the second most powerful person in the United States Government.

I don't care what party she is affiliated with, she shouldn't be doing this. The Syrian government is an oppressive regime who use Islam to oppress the rights of women, just like the Iranian government. Syria allows enemy combatants to cross into their country to sneak into Iraq for God's sake.

This is a total "up your's" move that Nancy Pelosi made by going to Syria and it is totally uncalled for.

"More dishonesty? Or is it stupidity this time."

This from
LLPOF, the one behind:

The "Hans Alters Posts" Lie
The "My Son is a Marine" Lie
The "I Got Hans Banned" Lie
The "I Read Loki, Who is Loki" Lie
Hans

"LOL"

More dishonesty? Or is it stupidity this time.

I reiterate: You are making a fool of yourself again. Please stop, last...

Posted by I_N_Cognito


more deflection...

I'm not deflecting anything, I'm asking you stop humiliating yourself by declaring victory while 6 people stomp on you, and blow you apart with your own lies.

Pelosi is the Speaker of the House

Correction, Speaker-in-Chief


USPatriot, good post.

It's seems that Pelosi is doing this herself without advisement. She's trying to further her career and harming the US at the same time.

USPatriot,

I was of the same opinion, I concur in principle, but for me there was hypocrisy in that he didn't say a word about (Republican) Senators visiting Syria just this week...

So Bush unfortunately by picking and choosing...looses the moral high ground, and thus the respect of the presidency.

thinkprogress.org

Last -
As Zbigniew Brzezinski stated, in answer to your typical Bushbot talk-radio-talking-point question:

BRZEZINSKI: I think what this president has done to America's position in the world is unconscionable and will take years to undo after 2008, provided we don't plunge into some terrible expanded conflict before he leaves office. And what concerns me the most about Iraq is now that it is no longer a war of national interest. It's a war of presidential hubris and has the potential for expanding into Iran.

Strewth, as the tater says...

Alex,

Yuo liked seeing them get person with me about my son being a Marine, didn't you. You asshole!

Why don't you just join the conversation or go f#ck yourself. Asshole!

Now, we are talking about how Bush will not sign the bill with a time table.

Another topic, how Pelosi compromised herself in Syria.

and harming the US at the same time.

Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-04-04 11:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

How so? The republicans sent people to Syria before she did. WTF?

Here's the source you asked boyd for, last.

(one of them anyway)

thinkprogress.org

Strewth, as the tater says...

Bullshit, as LA says.



TIME TABLE!!!!

Pelosi and the Dems own the war now, so it didn't surprise me that she is over there. I hope she doesnt have to smile while she is there because if her face cracks it might scare the the living hell out of the Syrians.

And before you cry about the website(I know your tricks)

the AP reports

So there you go.

Here's the source you asked boyd for, last.

(one of them anyway)

thinkprogress.org

Posted by I_N_Cognito


That's right Alex, Republicans have the dignity and the respect for the office of the President.

And before you cry about the website(I know your tricks)

the AP reports

So there you go.

Posted by I_N_Cognito


How's that for crying.

NEXT!

"Yuo liked seeing them get person with me about my son being a Marine.."

You brought it up first:


"My son is a US Marine in Iraq."

Posted by LastAmerican at
2007-03-05 04:27 PM

And:

"he's a Marine. Going to Iraq in Summer. Now, please shutup. BTW, I didn't read the rest of your post. Was there anything important?"

Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-03-18 11:10 PM

And remember: This isn't about your "son"; this is about lying about your "son."

Hans

www.bloomberg.com

March 30 (Bloomberg) -- A White House spokeswoman denounced a plan by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to visit officials in Syria as part of a trip to the Middle East.

Pelosi's outreach to a state sponsor of terrorism is a ``really bad idea,'' White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said at a briefing in Washington. ``Someone should take a step back and think about the message that it sends and the message that it sends to our allies.''

Perino's remarks come as a group of Republican lawmakers has embarked on their own trip to Syria. Michael Lowry, a spokesman for Representative Robert Aderholt, said that the Alabama lawmaker will visit Syria as part of a Republican delegation led by Representative Frank Wolf, a Virginia Republican. Wolf is the top Republican on the House appropriations subcommittee that funds the State Department.

Perino wasn't available to comment about that trip.


bwahahaha...another fake scandal.

I love how Nancy Pelosi shows no respect for the office of the President.

Yep, I love how Bush shows respect for the house of congress and the will of the people.

Another WOB post!

At least Pelosi is willing to do some work for our country, unlike this President.

Yep, who is actually interested in this country's best interest, Bush? Send our troops in, or Pelosi, dialogue without force.

Don't acknowledge Hezbollah? They are already acknowledged by the people who reside there so nothing we do mightily will change that.

The best way to "WIN" a war is doing it without conflict.

Pelosi and the Dems own the war now, so it didn't surprise me that she is over there.

Excellent point LibNazi. I was wondering how the Speaker-in-Chief was going to handle her new responsibility.

"Pelosi and the Dems own the war now..."

No, they don't.

But nice attempt at passing the buck.

Too bad it doesn't work.

Hans

Yep, I love how Bush shows respect for the house of congress and the will of the people.



WAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH !!!!

time for bed Money. You're done.

Last- you dont even make sense anymore.

You blame pelosi for going to syria saying it hurts america(but not how)

and yet at the very same time, republicans are visiting syria too, and the White house doesn't attack them.

Why? because it's ALL politics and BS, and bushbots like you eat it up, and then make nonsensical retorts and run away.

GROW UP!

Last-
Please pull your head out of Hugh Hewitt's ass and read it this time:

BRZEZINSKI: I think what this president has done to America's position in the world is unconscionable and will take years to undo after 2008, provided we don't plunge into some terrible expanded conflict before he leaves office. And what concerns me the most about Iraq is now that it is no longer a war of national interest. It's a war of presidential hubris and has the potential for expanding into Iran.

That's right Alex, Republicans have the dignity and the respect for the office of the President.

Yeah, they just don't have the dignity and respect for those that put them there!

At least Pelosi is willing to do some work for our country, unlike this President.

Pandering to the Iranians is doing work for our coutry?

Boy, Hans is impotent on this thread.

That's right Alex, Republicans have the dignity and the respect for the office of the President.

Yeah, they just don't have the dignity and respect for those that put them there!


Posted by moneywar


WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAH!!!

I voted the Democrats in and their F#cken up!

That's right Alex, Republicans have the dignity and the respect for the office of the President.

Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-04-05 12:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

How so? They're in syria too, dumbass.

"Boy, Hans is impotent on this thread."

Which, in comparison, means LLPOF has been castrated.

Hans

Republicans in Syria = OK.

Nancy Pelosi in Syria = Hurts america.

Just trying to understand your position here, lastamerican. That about cover it?

"Republicans have the dignity and the respect for the office of the President. "
Posted by LastAmerican

Yet, curiously, you have little to no respect for the dignity of the office of the Speaker of the House, repeatedly derisively calling her the "Speaker-in-Chief". Why the two-faced actions? The only difference seems to be Bush is a Republican and Pelosi a Democrat.

Last-
re: "That's right Alex, Republicans have the dignity and the respect for the office of the President. "

Actually, judging by your posts, your "respect for the office" seems to translate directly into blind subservience for the man who holds that office (as long as he is of your political party, of course)

BRZEZINSKI: I think what this president has done to America's position in the world is unconscionable

What the hell does this have to do with funding our Troops?

Fund the troops or don't fund the troops. What the f#ck is this time table crap? Get it out! You don't tell the enemy your strategy dumf#ck!

Boyd's done. He posted 25 posts of deflections. Won't answer the time table question.

Won't even explain why his Speaker-in-Chief is f#cken up!

"Yet, curiously, you have little to no respect for the dignity of the office of the Speaker of the House, repeatedly derisively calling her the "Speaker-in-Chief". Why the two-faced actions? The only difference seems to be Bush is a Republican and Pelosi a Democrat."

Good catch, Danforth.

Hans

The only difference seems to be Bush is a Republican and Pelosi a Democrat.

That's enough for Last to decide who is right.

oh, and uh, he voted for nader. *laughs*

Republicans in Syria = OK.

Nancy Pelosi in Syria = Hurts america.

Just trying to understand your position here, lastamerican. That about cover it?

Posted by I_N_Cognito


Perception is EVERYTHING!

Didn't you know that?

I'm outahere. You guys are done.

Won't even explain why his Speaker-in-Chief is f#cken up!

Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-04-05 12:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Are the republicans in syria fucking up too? By being there?

If so, why isnt the WH maoning about their trip as well?

If not, tell me exactly what those republicans are doing differently than pelosi.(Both parties have people over there!) BE SPECIFIC.

Perception is EVERYTHING!

Didn't you know that?


Damn! I thought reality was everything. Curses!!!

"Perception is EVERYTHING!"

Well, facts do help:

LastAmerican: Anatomy of a Liar

The "Hans Alters Posts" Lie
The "My Son is a Marine" Lie
The "I Got Hans Banned" Lie
The "I Read Loki, Who is Loki" Lie
Didn't you know that?

Hans

I'm outahere. You guys are done.

Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-04-05 12:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

Back in a corner, you declare victory and run AGAIN!

You really fucking suck balls at this,(blogging, thinking, being honest) lastamerican. Pardon my french.

Pandering to the Iranians is doing work for our coutry?

Trying to go to war with Iranians is doing work for this country????????

Hans:
You forgot one. Remember when Last claimed to have been here since Nov? He joined 12/14/06. I bugged him for days.

I'm outahere. You guys are done.


You forgot the LOL!, Fippy.

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LastAmerican

Just an advancement for the next few days!

"You forgot one. Remember when Last claimed to have been here since Nov? He joined 12/14/06. I bugged him for days."

Berkeley! Great to see you!

Unfortunately, I don't have that particular exchange in my "data bank."

Would you have saved it, by chance?

Hans

All Pelosi did was part of her job. No big.

You know what this is all about? The Bush WH WONT DO THE JOB, SO THEY ATTACK ANYONE ELSE THAT SHOWS THEM UP BY ACTING LIKE AN ADULT.

Nixon Went to CHINA.

Reagan went to RUSSIA.

Clinton got netanyahu and arafat to SHAKE HANDS.

Bush won't even go to piddly fucking syria. S-Y-R-I-A! Color me unimpressed with this douchebag and his unthinking robots like lastamerican.

Hell, Bush wouldn't even debate saddam via satelite before commiting US troops to iraq.

Wimpy little snot nosed brat he is.

Did this despicable fucking cunt/excuse for a human being pose for a (head-scarved) picture next to a Syrian anti-aircraft battery?

Wow.

A seditious fucking traitor---to country and culture---who holds an elected office.

What an argument for democracy.

re: Perception is EVERYTHING!

Didn't you know that?


ie, there is a perception by most Democrats, a good portion of Republicans, and the majority of Americans and the earth's population that bush is a failed and incompetent leader, and this is embarassing to reflexive ass-kissers who need a daddy.

Bummer

A seditious fucking traitor---to country and culture---who holds an elected office.

Damn, Somebody tell all those republicans in Syria they're traitors too.

Wait, nevermind, they're not democrats. It's cool.

Before his speech, Bush stood in a dusty, rocky field as soldiers explained how they detect and disarm homemade bombs, called Improvised Explosive Devices. Bush operated a remote-control robot, playfully steering the device straight into a row of news photographers.


The guy is just an ass, childish little ass!!

Pinche-
re: Did this despicable fucking cunt/excuse for a human being pose for a (head-scarved) picture next to a Syrian anti-aircraft battery?

Do you mean Laura bush or C. Rice? (Need I provide the photos with them in mosques with their heads covered?)

Ah, what the hell:

www.mahablog.com

Republican Reps. Aderholt and Wolf are currently visiting Syria. According to a congressional official on Rep. Robert Aderholt's (R-AL) staff, Aderholt and Rep. Frank Wolf (R-VA) are currently visiting Israel and Syria.

Republican Rep. Hobson accompanying Pelosi on Syria visit. Speaker Pelosi will be traveling with a contingent of members of Congress to Syria. The delegation includes Reps. David Hobson (R-OH), Keith Ellison (D-MN), Tom Lantos (D-CA), Henry Waxman (D-CA), Louise Slaughter (D-NY), Nick Rahall (D-WV).

Moreover, as the AP reports, "Earlier this month, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Ellen Sauerbrey held talks with a senior Syrian diplomat on how Damascus was coping with a flood of Iraqi refugees, the first such talks in the Syrian capital for more than two years."


TRAITORS!

roflmao!

Michael Lowry, a spokesman for Representative Robert Aderholt, said that the Alabama lawmaker will visit Syria as part of a Republican delegation led by Representative Frank Wolf, a Virginia Republican. Wolf is the top Republican on the House appropriations subcommittee that funds the State Department.

Perino wasn't available to comment about that trip.


*laughs harder*

Boyd- Condi rice in head scarves?

How dare that "seditious cunt"?

"A seditious fucking traitor---to country and culture---who holds an elected office."

Was that "libnazi" that posted that, or "rightnut"? Can't tell the difference between these knuckle draggers anymore.

Isn't she?

Boyd- it's not even a challenge anymore. November stole what little sense of reality they had left.

Here's a good photo of that "despicable fucking cunt/excuse for a human being", Laura Bush:

www.crooksandliars.com

In Cognito-
Where'd Pinche go?

Seriously, I have a question to ask him.

Boyd- He's very carefully constructing a piece of sophistry in order to cover his pockmarked ass.

And peppering it with "motherfucker"s for flavor.

Next you'll be a marxist, and I'm just a 13 year old girl. *yawn* Can we get a new script for pinche please?

Damn someone email Me and clue Me in what does LLPOF stand for?? I have racked My brain all night trying to figure that shit out what does it Mean?? I am lostedededed.

Larry

LLPOF. I was wondering that myself. Hans, you here?

Pinche-
Wow. You've become a bitter sniping coward.

Wow.

Somebody tell all those republicans in Syria they're traitors too.

"All" 3 of them?

I will.

I sincerely hope their careers and lives are shattered.

*Laughs even harder as he uses stupid-ass little asteriks to create cutesy side-narratives to his posts that not only exhibit his infantile intellect, but also pump his fragile ego up as he searches for affirmation from his "buddy" Boyd."*

*ROTFLMAO*

*HeeHee*

Wipe your chin off, bitch. :)

A little lower.

There.

You got it.

Did this despicable fucking cunt/excuse for a human being pose for a (head-scarved) picture next to a Syrian anti-aircraft battery?

Wow.

A seditious fucking traitor---to country and culture---who holds an elected office.

What an argument for democracy.



*headdesk*

I will.

I sincerely hope their careers and lives are shattered


That's funny. The White House didn't issue any public attacks on them! Only on Pelosi. Seems like this entire thing is just partisan red meat for angry out of power whiners like you, pinche.

Enjoy.

You're a fucking traitor when you cavort with enemies of the United States for purposes of political vanity.

I had a friend who had a Sheltie like that, Pinche. She would bite your ankle and run away. Eventually, she bit the wrong person and had to be put down.

Call the FBI, pinche. Otherwise STFU.

Here's a good photo of that "despicable fucking cunt/excuse for a human being", Laura Bush

Yes, Boyd.

But you're pretending as if I said that simply wearing a headscarf is the sole prerequisite for being "a despicable cunt/excuse for a human being".

In other words, you're obfuscating and changing the point of contention so that you might have an opportunity to be relevant.

I repeat:

WH cant use diplomacy. When others do, they are attacked. Provided they are democrats of course.

Robots carry the echo in their empty little heads, and spread it all over the blogosphere. "Pelosi is a traitor!"

*Beep Whirr Beep Beep*

The White House didn't issue any public attacks on them!

They should have.

It's just an opportunity for a cheap partisan attack, pinche.

And you fell for it.

Pinche-
re: In other words, you're obfuscating and changing the point of contention so that you might have an opportunity to be relevant.

Right. Your "point of contention" is that, without prompting, the new Speaker somehow embarassed the man whose balls you lick as a matter of misguided principle.

Got it.

LLPOF. I was wondering that myself. Hans, you here?

Posted by I_N_Cognito

liar liar pants on fire

But I'm glad you're here, Pinche, because I had a general question to ask.

As a matter of principle and constitutional consideration, should any President be able to detain, indefinitely and without charges, an American citizen arrested on US soil?

liar liar pants on fire

Very mature.

Give it rest, boyd. You know the answer.

I'm sure pinche agrees with Woo as well, on the subject of childrens testicles and the "war on terror".

I had a friend who had a Sheltie like that, Pinche. She would bite your ankle and run away. Eventually, she bit the wrong person and had to be put down.

Did that episode shake you up?

Because you certainly seem to portray yourself as an ankle-biting, sniveling coward who lacks the balls to discuss anything outside the little purview of your despicable politics.

Good thing Josh Marshall's website is up and feeding you, you sheep.

You'd be a regular Schiavo if it ever went down.

Then I'd have to resort solely to political discourse on the Hannah Montana-level----with Alexandrite.

Not that Josh feeds you much better.

Baaa.

Trees meet Pincha Loaf...

"*headdesk*"

Ah! You've met already eye see!

"You're a fucking traitor when you cavort with enemies of the United States for purposes of political vanity"

No republi-tard,

If you continue to support this war criminal in Chief and his ignorant and dangerous policiers you are not only a traitor but a fascist fuck-stick.

Nancy Pelosi is trying to stave off WWIII here.

She's cleaning up the shit-piles Duymbya and his crew of traitorous war profiteers have left all over the place while his ability to get things done stops at his shoelaces.

He's been out-manouevered by everybody here including himself and yer still yapping on like a demented little lapdog the stale predictable and trite BushCo talking point that all who oppose their madness are traitors.

Spud knows who the real traitors are here.

The BushCo bitches and sad sick little monkeys like yerself who still shill for them.

Yer pathetic attempts to rationalise evil are laughable.

Be Well.

re, this post: The White House didn't issue any public attacks on them!

They should have.

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2007-04-05 12:51 AM | Reply |

"They should have"

???????

But they didn't, and you were ignorant of the Republicans' visit and so are here on this backwater blog referring to the Speaker of the House as a "despicable cunt/excuse for a human being".

And why? Because that information wasn't in the sweat on GWB's balls, not to put to fine a point on it.

Pinche-
Please answer my question, if you have balls of your own.

Pinche-
One. Simple. Question.

Who the hell is hanna montana?

And frankly, as to my level of understanding... You didn't even know there were repubs in Syria until laughed at, pinche.

liar liar pants on fire

Very mature.


Considering the way he earned that acronymn, very appropriate. *nods*


Spud knows who the real traitors are here.

The BushCo bitches and sad sick little monkeys like yerself who still shill for them.


Wrong. I refuse to call anyone, even a bushbot, a traitor without actual proof.

Do they understand what america stands for? Unlikely, but they are not traitors. This term is volatile, and overused on this blog by everyone. Enough, please.

Did a google search:

psc.disney.go.com

Pinche once again displays his ugly obsession with 13 year old girls. Someone get a hose for this guy...

Ah, or maybe he knew about hannah montana cuz her dad is billy ray cyrus.

Good taste, pinche.

en.wikipedia.org

Spud knows who the real traitors are here.

The BushCo bitches and sad sick little monkeys like yerself who still shill for them.

Yer pathetic attempts to rationalise evil are laughable.

Be Well.


Well stated oh one of many eyes.

I couldn't agree more.

My Anger Monkeys are a tad riled.

I should have held on to that wine for tonight....damn shortsighted on my part.

Oh and you have some messagey goodness.

As a matter of principle and constitutional consideration, should any President be able to detain, indefinitely and without charges, an American citizen arrested on US soil?

The President should be able to do whatever is necessary to ensure the mortal security of the citizens who elected him.

I'll ignore the inherent absurdity of such a question as posed by a guy who thinks the 14th Amendment guarantees the "right" to suck the brains from the skulls of baby human beings.

Abortion deflection!

You're getting moldy, pinche.

The President should be able to do whatever is necessary to ensure the mortal security of the citizens who elected him.

Does this include crushing a childs testicles as described to John Yoo?

Cassel: If the President deems that he's got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person's child, there is no law that can stop him?
Yoo: No treaty.
Cassel: Also no law by Congress. That is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo.
Yoo: I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.


en.wikipedia.org

12 is the audio exchange.


If the answer is YES, you have no soul.

But they didn't

But their doing so or not isn't the point, is it?

Abortion deflection!

Is that like a "defend Bush deflection"?

But their doing so or not isn't the point, is it?

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2007-04-05 01:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

It proves they're more concerned with partisan politics than right/wrong.

But everyone knew that.

Pinche-
The President should be able to do whatever is necessary to ensure the mortal security of the citizens who elected him.

Very well. You'd have to go back about 500 years to have that reasoning taken seriously (Or just watch the news today), but at least you are somewhat clear that you have no respect for the Constitution when it interferes with your ball-licking fear of the moment.

I do hope you feel all safe and snugly, traitor (Yes, folks, that's an appropriate use of the word)

rwor.org

(Yes, folks, that's an appropriate use of the word)

I disagree. He's entitled to his opinions being counter to how the constitution is actually supposed to work.

Consider it one of the pitfalls of democracy. Mercy towards people who want to destroy our way of life, foreign or domestic.

the new Speaker somehow embarassed the man whose balls you lick as a matter of misguided principle.

The "new speaker" went to Syria and licked the balls of a terrorist sponsoring state and enemy of the United States.

She did nothing but assuage the vanity of fucking murderers---and confirm the inherently seditious nature of what the Democrat party has become.

I know it.

Nancy knows it.

Bashar knows it.

And every American knows it.

Or to have fun with some quotes:

Your stunted level of civic and historical understanding of things---despite all the advantages provided you by our society---forces one to wonder if the abstract ideas that have heretofore given this country its cohesiveness are even worth preserving.

'Tis the paradox of democracy, I guess.

It's a shame a few screeching leftist morons had to fuck it up for the rest of us.

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2007-04-05 12:09 AM | Reply


But torture's cool.(Now that's irony)

She did nothing but assuage the vanity of fucking murderers---

Nixon and reagan going to communist countries? OK.

Reagan giving Saddam Hussein money, weapons and gifts? OK

A democrat going to syria? Treason.

Hahahahaha. Hey pinche, pelosi was just adjusting to the geo-political realities of today by making friends with people who will fight our enemies with us, like stalin did in WWII, and saddam against iran.

The ends justify the means, "bitch".

I know it.

Nancy knows it.

Bashar knows it.

And every American knows it.


Yes, we all know she did the job our President was suppose to do but lacked the conflict resolution ability to do so.

Kind of like a 3rd grader on the play ground not getting his way, so pounch em out!!!

"The "new speaker" went to Syria and licked the balls of a terrorist sponsoring state..."

Are the Republicans going there to do the same thing, or is that kind of thing just considered a "fact-finding mission" for Republicans?

Actually, they don't justify the means. You're just a partisan windbag with a 13 y/o girl obsession.

In Cognito-
No. Anyone who claims the right of kings is a traitor to our Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence.

Frightening clip, BTW. I would recommend that Pinche listen to the last tenth of the audio where Yoo justifies crushing the testicles of a relative of an enemy on the President's orders.

Pinche is a traitor.

"Wrong. I refuse to call anyone, even a bushbot, a traitor without actual proof."

Proof?

Bowa there is proof enuff for those who have eyes to see and the couage to look.

It's hard to see anything but proof if you look.

He has sowed generational seeds of hatred that will take generations to undo.

Broken every law of God and Man and covered it all up with a non-stop stream of lies.

He has imperiled not only the future and the safety of the country but it's soul as well.

For he has sowed his seeds of diviseness in the US too and they have bore many, bitter fruit.

He must be stopped or, at the very least, reigned in.

Be Well.

PS: Off to check fer leafy goodness.

Nixon and reagan going to communist countries?

Reagan giving Saddam Hussein money, weapons and gifts?

Doing so furthered the interests of the United States---to simplify your cited instances into the ignorant-ass contexts in which they must be addressed.

Please explain how this silly little bitch's trip to Syria furthered the interests of the United States.

I'm glad someone (Pelosi) is engaging in foreign policy.

Bush's idea is bomb some countries, and tell our allies to f themselves.

I'll go further. Pinche is the most insidious of traitors as he wraps himself in the flag and accuses others. He is a ball-licking puppy to authoritarian rule, and he should be exposed for what he is. He has no problem with behavior that would make a Communist Party apparatchik blush in shame.

I don't think anyone takes any 'super duper patriot' garbage from someone seriously who has 'Mao' in their name.

How ironic.

Please explain how this silly little bitch's trip to Syria furthered the interests of the United States.

Please explain how country to country dialogue is not in the United States best interest.

Because the dear leader doesn't like it!!!

"And every American knows it."

What a lot of bullshit. Most Americans don't even know who Pelosi is, much less think her a "traitor". You're delusional.

You have the historical context to know what the trips eventually accomplished, pinche.

What if THIS trip worked out and Syria/US relations climb out of the toilet? Will pelosi still be tokyo rose?

And it's pretty sad that you attempted to put me down by proving to the thread that you watch pre-teen girlie shows on the disney channel.

None of my friends kids 9-13 even watch Hannah Montana. I'm around kids all time and never heard of that show. Seek help.

AllAmerican,

I don't think anyone takes any 'super duper patriot' garbage from someone seriously who has 'Mao' in their name.

Think about the name and stop showing the dim-witted ignorance.

I'll go further. Pinche is the most insidious of traitors as he wraps himself in the flag and accuses others. He is a ball-licking puppy to authoritarian rule, and he should be exposed for what he is. He has no problem with behavior that would make a Communist Party apparatchik blush in shame.

Posted by Boyd at 2007-04-05 01:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry, this goes too far. It doesn't matter what he believes, being a traitor is what you DO. And i have no evidence, his lack of understanding american values notwithstanding, that he has done anything treasonous. I'm tired of this word being used so willy nilly by everyone.

Britain was our sworn enemy as were a plethora of others including the Soviet Union. Only by talking to them will anything ever be resolved. The 'end of a gun' thing isn't working too well.

Bush refuses to let Jimmy Carter, a former president, visit Syria. Afraid he'd make W look bad, eh?

Bush isnt' statesman enough to polish either Pelosi or Carter's shoes

It wasn't right for a good portion of the repubs to call every lefty a traitor for six years, and it's just as wrong for the left to turn the tables, justified anger or not.

Stop it. Please.

Pinche-
The shorter Boyd: You are a fraud, and your pretentions to patriotism are shallow allegiances to an infantile cult of personality.

"Please explain how this silly little bitch's trip to Syria furthered the interests of the United States."
Posted by Pinche_Mao"

Please explain where you get the extraordinary hubris to look into the crystal ball and pronounce history's judgement. There is no possible way this trip might do some good over time?!?

Tell me, who do you like in the 4th tomorrow at Belmont?

MONEYWAR

Why are you taking a swipe at me? I'm on the same team. Geesh.

I don't have a clue what 'Pinche Mao' means. I do know he's a Bush sheep though.

INC-
I chose my word carefully.

AllAmerican,

I don't have a clue what 'Pinche Mao' means. I do know he's a Bush sheep though.

Pinche My Ass Off!

It's a rough approximation to the word "fucking" in mexico, allamerican. Also means "lousy" or "good for nothing"

Fucking Mao. He hates commies, remember?

Meaning changes depending on country, btw.

Pinche is a traitor.

Actually, traitors carry water for those who cavort with murderous enemies of our nation.

Next time you whine about "Democrat" and "traitor" being used in the same sentence, take a long, hard look at the people who run your party.

The Democrat party does not represent the interests of the American people.

It represents cowardice, appeasement, and bitch-like submission to those whose best interests lie in checking our influence.

Nancy's mouth is sore tonight.

Bashar has a smile on his face tonight.

Bush---through his incompetence---gave the Democrats an opportunity.

Now, we are just content to wait for a Fred Thompson rather than whore our nation's history out to a bunch of goddamn, left-wing traitors like Pelosi.

Sorry, Hanoi Nancy.

You fucked up.

Fucking Mao. He hates commies, remember?

He seems to love their way of governance through party discipline and appeals to hatred of "counter-revolutionary" (read - anti-Bush) thought.

pinche:
Spanish-language expression meaning:
a) Kitchen boy. The guys who clean up the Chef's mess and scrub the frying pans and carry stuff around. In this context it's still used in Spain.
b) In Mexico, it's an all-purpose insult enhancer, which would be roughly equivalent to the use of *fucking* in English. If Jay (Silent Bob's hetero life mate) spoke Spanish, he would say *pinche* A LOT.
Pinche is strongly associated with cursing in Mexican Spanish and the very moment you use it gives you away as a Mexican national. So you pinches gringos take that into account if youre trying to pass for an Argentine or whatever.
c) In Mexico, it's also used as an adjective to describe something as insignificant, lousy, miserable or worthless.

MONEYWAR

Are you drunk or something?

I N COGNITO

Thanks for explaining. I speak very little Spanish, so MONEYWARS insults went right over my head LOL

God, now I have to include a fellow Bush loather on my 'asshole list' too? What a shame.

It represents cowardice, appeasement, and bitch-like submission to those whose best interests lie in checking our influence.

Pathetic. This, coming from someone who unquestioningly invests the President with the power of God.

You disgust me.

I'm hitting the sack.

I'm GLAD Pelosi is taking the lead in diplomacy since W decided to abandon it totally.

WOW Now I know what 'Pinche' means So glad I stopped by for some enlightenment and a couple of insults from MONEYWAR. You learn something new every day......

And hop aboard, Benedict Boyd.

*Choo Choo*

VOTE DEMOCRAT

(They get along with Syria)

Pinche-
You just argued that the President has any power he wishes to assume -- for your protection, of course. It may be lost on some posters here, but it's not lost on me.

You are not worth the pixels I type.

Actually, traitors carry water for those who cavort with murderous enemies of our nation.

Reagan sold arms to iranian terrorists,then lied about it over and over again to the american public.

But nancy pelosi is a traitor for visiting Syria? You're a moron, pinche.

You disgust me.

And you disgust me.

At the deepest level possible.

People like you represent everything that is sick and wrong with this nation----simply because of your sheep-like adherence to contemporary left-wing politics.

Pinche: "The President should be able to do whatever is necessary to ensure the mortal security of the citizens who elected him."

That makes him king.

People like you represent everything that is sick and wrong with this nation----

It was awful of boyd to control the country for 6 years and screw everything up.

Wait...

INC,

Good on ya!

Allamerican, don't take my post as an insult, it was not meant to be.

Did I not show you the context of the name and the many ways it can be used.

Pinche Mao is quite good at all rounds, the best in being a intellectual ass as well as playing devils side.

Extreme capitalist with no sense of governance.

In cognito-
Didn't we have, like, a revolution or something, and draw up a Constitution to protect our fragile republic from ball-lickers like Pinche?

"And you disgust me."

I believe it. One of the characteristics of the authoritarian personality is that they hate dissenters even more than real enemies of America.

Extreme capitalist with no sense of governance.

As are most trust babies or inheritors of 2nd/3rd generation businesses. At least from who I've met so far.

Results may vary, I suppose. What about your experiences in this, $war?

Pinche: "The President should be able to do whatever is necessary to ensure the mortal security of the citizens who elected him."

Sorry. I just had to see that again.

Boyd. Ball licker is a bit harsh. I think he probably hates Bush for exposing how badly his ideology functions in reality, but supports him because he is a republican, and therefore supperior to "marxists"

OK, ball-licker works now that you mention it.

Expect another revoultion in your life time, btw. The civil war did not end.

You just argued that the President has any power he wishes to assume --

No I didn't, you lying sack of shit.

I simply stated that the President should be able to do whatever is necessary to ensure the mortal security of the citizens who elected him.

That's a purposely vague statement intended to extract the degree of common sense possesed by the person who responds to it.

I knew your response before I even typed the statement.


One more time:

Pinche: "The President should be able to do whatever is necessary to ensure the mortal security of the citizens who elected him."

This was, of course, in response to my question:

Boyd: "As a matter of principle and constitutional consideration, should any President be able to detain, indefinitely and without charges, an American citizen arrested on US soil?"



Yes....what a patriot we have in Pinche...

As are most trust babies or inheritors of 2nd/3rd generation businesses.

Yes.

The lucrative business of cow/calf operations in regions with less than 13 inches of rainfall a year.

You can't even do ad hominem right, you clueless dumbass.

The president should do whatever is neccessary, WITHIN THE LAW AND MORALITY, to ensure the mortal security of the citizens who elected him.

Odd that such a high horse like yourself would forget that part, pinche.

You like to say that all the rotten parts of this country are due to leftists, but then forget laws and morals when it's your pink little ass possibly in danger. And you have the gall to call others relativists? While spouting that the ends always justify the means?

Laughable.

INC,

Yes, 1st child and all, have to protect the money regardless of how it is achieved.

RNC and cabal give all the necessary means of protection without through governance without appearing to do so, that is the blind alley he so supports.

Pinche-
You answered a specific question vaguely, but in the affirmative. Your answer makes you a subservient ball-licker who the founding fathers would revile, if they weren't busy rolling over in their graves.

It's really quite clear.

Later.

The lucrative business of cow/calf operations in regions with less than 13 inches of rainfall a year.

Pinche thinks his 20(?) acre birthday cake was out of the fridge for too long.

Someone call a wahbulance for richy rich. He's got it rough. Boo fucking hoo.

brb.

INC,

How goes it? Still in the cold weather? Hockey with the kids being good to ya!

Just takin a stab!

" president should do whatever is neccessary"

And who decides what is "necessary"? I suppose, instead of being a citizen, one can be a servile little lamb and just take the President's word for it.

Someone call a wahbulance for richy rich.

Yes.

I'm going to go fire my Gulfstream pilot right now as an act of contrition.

Dumbass.

The weather was GREAT, until about 4 hours ago.

Then we got a blizzard. Now i have to go into it for a meijer run because someone informed me that there is no suitable breakfast foods.

Fuck.

Poor mao. He was really given no advantages whatsoever. All Bootstraps!(someone elses)

Holy shit, we got ourselves a "self-made man"!

The fear terror scare walls are being taken down and so is the authority.

Building such a pyramid takes a rather large base, one that could not be sustained. Economic morality took over!

IN:
85 degrees today. Thursday high 65.
Beats snow any day of the week. Be careful out there.

25 degrees, minus about 15 wind chill. Luckily the cornklake sized snow hit 5 miles south of my house but I got out of it.

Berkely,

Mail is being delivered along the tubing of the internets pour vous.

Did I not show you the context of the name and the many ways it can be used.


MONEYWAR


Sure....after taking a swipe at me (for not speaking Spanish).

How the heck am I supposed to know what "Pinche' means?

Friendly fire ain't a pretty sight LOL

It is good that the Dems are taking these steps to let the world know that the incompetent, corrupt administration of GWB will soon be coming to an end. I just hope that GWB will not do something in the interim that will cost any more lives or treasure. I suspect that will not be the case. The fact that the Pentagon is planning on raiding the budgets of other programs to continue to fund the war in Iraq is evidence of Bush's unwillingness to acknowledge that there is another co-equal branch of government.

The Democrats will have to be resolute in their position. At some point, the Pentagon brass will come to Bush and tell him that they can't pull money from any other program without severely impacting those programs. If he relents, fine. If not, it is time to turn up the heat even further and begin expedited impeachment hearings.

Bush reminds me of a spoiled child desperate to get his way. A child that became spoiled because a Republican led congress let him get his way for 6 years.

Friendly fire ain't a pretty sight LOL

Posted by AllAmerican at 2007-04-05 03:56 AM | Reply

It depends on "What" is being Fired and "Where" Bwhahahahahahah

Larry

Larry,

Ah, MONEYWAR up there must have had too many drinks.

I jump in on HIS side vis a vis Pinche Mao, and MONEYWAR started getting rude with me.

Alcohol will do that....

Tequila and a shot glass = friendly fire

Ummmmmm had absolutely NOTHING to do with alcohol. You are forgetting who You are dealing with. I can turn anything sexual in .09 seconds flat. Think about it.

Friendly "Fire" and "Where" it lands. Oh nevermind LMAO

Larry

Hey Larry,

I didn't think I was 'dealing' with you. My initial issue was with Pinche Mao, and then MONEYWAR shot some friendly fire.

I get your joke, but I'm way too tired to really belly laugh at it LOL

"Actually, traitors carry water for those who cavort with murderous enemies of our nation."

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2007-04-05 01:52 AM

This arms-for-hostages plan had four important drawbacks. First, it contradicted President Reagan's publicly stated determination not to make deals with terrorists. Second, it contravened official U.S. policy not to sell arms to Iran. Third, it required absolute secrecy, since disclosure to Congress--and, through congressional leaks, to the public--would be extremely embarrassing. Fourth, there was no guarantee that the sale of arms to Iran would actually bring an end to the Lebanon hostage crisis.

Source
Looks like old pinche might be right.

Hans

A lot better to look at than Hasert. Funny the President didn't know there were three Republicans already over there.

That was so good I almost beleived what you said. You must write for theNew York Slime.

I believe that we should be talking with these people (Syria and Iran) and not put up with any shit or play games. But going against an administration on foreign affairs is not in her place or responsibility. This is going a bit too far. Even if she is right or good comes from what she is doing, "wild cowboy" anyone. Further more, I read that Isreal didn't say what Pelosi is telling the Syrians... That could go bad for her

"But going against an administration on foreign affairs is not in her place or responsibility."

Is it the place or responsibility of the Republican Congressional Delegation that was there last week? If you truly believe what you just said, fine, you are entitled to your opinion. But if you are going to be honest you need to post that the Republicans who went were overstepping their responsibility and were wrong to go there and talk to Assad.

"Is it the place or responsibility of the Republican Congressional Delegation that was there last week?"

No, it is not the place of anyone to go against policy. Those Republicans were just as wrong as Pelosi was in going over there. But there is a big difference between them and the Speaker of the House. The Speaker of the House is pretty much the second most powerful position in the U.S. Government. And for someone with that authority to defy the foreign policy of the President or any President is just absurd and wrong.

But yes...those Republicans shouldn't have gone over there either. A Congressman from my state went and I plan on writing him a strongly worded letter.

Good for her, if that's what it takes to get Syria to start playing things straight, so be it.
Very Funny Flag!

Yeah, she will show them. Tell us what she could possibly acheive other than use the MSM in an attempt to make Bush look bad. Kind of reminds you of Hanoi Jane.

Why would she go to an obvious supporter of those killing US troops when she has no power to implement any type of policy on dealing with them?

Damacus Nancy!

Thanks USA. I disagree with you, but respect your consistency in applying your beliefs in a bipartisan manner.

Wow! Talking to the opposition. What a concept.


Bet no one could have foreseen that negotiations might somehow someday lead to compromise, settlement, and peace.

If peace were to break out, who would the GOP have to fearmonger to American people about? What would poor Blackwater and Haliburton do?

Besides move off shore so that they don't return any of the taxpayer dollars they are paid, that is.

"Bet no one could have foreseen that negotiations might somehow someday lead to compromise, settlement, and peace."

Right! Nobody but you, Nancy Pelosi....and Neville Chamberlain.

"Wow! Talking to the opposition. What a concept."

Yeah, that always works out in history. See Chamberlain and Hitler at the Munich Conference in 1938. Syria and Iran both want to destroy our lone real ally in the Middle-East and both support Hezbollah which isn't the nicest terrorist organization in the world.

so here is the take from southeast texas on this....

look whats the big deal....I mean it will give her some more publicity the next time she wants to make a movie...

what???

wha.........this story ISNT ABOUT JANE FONDA........wow....it sure read like it was about her.....she sat on a gun mount that was used to kill americans and pelosi sits with a terrorist who by all reports is complicit in several ways that led to the death of americans........

and the republicans who went.......fire them as well next election..........

and IF there is a dem in the white house and there is a republican speaker, they should travel to every country in the world and start thier own foreign policy department......that seems to be what these knuckleheads are doing.......

""See Chamberlain and Hitler at the Munich Conference in 1938.""

One leeeeetle problem with your stupid analogy.....America is the aggressor in Iraq, is possibly going to unilaterally bomb Iran. Unfortunately for the world, if you were to insist upon using that analogy the US would have to take the roll of Germany as invader/occupier.
Some may feel that the president should be the one conducting foreign policy but when it is obvious that he is insane the rules don't apply.

is possibly going to unilaterally bomb Iran.

Can you describe a unilateral bomb?

"Bet no one could have foreseen that negotiations might somehow someday lead to compromise, settlement, and peace."

Right! Nobody but you, Nancy Pelosi....and Neville Chamberlain.

Posted by jestgettinalong


Ouch!

"One leeeeetle problem with your stupid analogy.....America is the aggressor in Iraq"

Really? So those little ragheads blowing up bombs in city markets and inside buses and in mosques, killing hundreds of civilians at a time, are just freedom fighters trying to convince us to leave?

"Unfortunately for the world, if you were to insist upon using that analogy the US would have to take the roll of Germany as invader/occupier."

Really? See my argument above and you'll know why we are still there. Also...if you look closely at the U.N. Resolution that was drawn up after the Gulf War ended in 1991, you will find that we had every right to go in and take out Saddam's government. That's why Bush hasn't been impeached yet because the Democrats know that the invasion was perfectly legal.

"Some may feel that the president should be the one conducting foreign policy but when it is obvious that he is insane the rules don't apply."

Well...no doctor has come forth proving that he is clincally insane so he still has the right to conduct foreign policy as stated in the Constitution of the United States. Even if he was, the Vice-President would take over the office of the President, not Nancy Pelosi. So...Pelosi has no Constitutional right over in Syria making deals with a known supporter of terrorism.


Republican Congressman Darrell Issa, apparently one of the non-brain-dead GOP still cognizant, is also in Syria for meetings with Assad....

"Asked to comment on Bush's criticism of the congressmen's visits
to Damascus, Issa said:

"President Bush is the head of state, but he hasn't encouraged dialogue. That's an important message to realize:
we have tensions, but we have two functioning embassies."

Congressional Democrats, and some Republicans, say the refusal to
talk to Syria has closed doors to possible progress in resolving the
crises in the Mideast."

rawstory.com

Justgettingstupiderallthetime.
..

"Neville Chamberlain...shmock, shmock!! Neville Chamberlain!!"

Limp-dicked parroting of that name in lieu of any rational retort is about what we expect from you.

oh jest.......damn how I wish I had thought of that chamberlain line....
excellant.......

and look at this.......here the left celebrates pelosi BYPASSING the white house on this issue and then go back to the home page and get onto the thread about bush bypassing the senate to name an ambassador..

on this major issue, the left celebrates the left wing pushing thier noses into it and then when bush does similar on something a lot less important.....they will tell you that its the end of the republic.............
these guys are SO EASY sometimes.......

We've established on this thread that Pelosi has taken over the responsibility of the war by removing funding from our troops. Since she is now responsible for the outcome of the war she is over there trying to make peace with countries who don't want peace. They want Iraq. Pelosi doesn't know that!

Can we also conclude from this truth that the people who put the Democrats in office are also responsible for the outcome of the war?

Pratfall in Damascus
Nancy Pelosi's foolish shuttle diplomacy


HOUSE SPEAKER Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) offered an excellent demonstration yesterday of why members of Congress should not attempt to supplant the secretary of state when traveling abroad. After a meeting with Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad in Damascus, Ms. Pelosi announced that she had delivered a message from Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that "Israel was ready to engage in peace talks" with Syria. What's more, she added, Mr. Assad was ready to "resume the peace process" as well. Having announced this seeming diplomatic breakthrough, Ms. Pelosi suggested that her Kissingerian shuttle diplomacy was just getting started. "We expressed our interest in using our good offices in promoting peace between Israel and Syria," she said.

Only one problem: The Israeli prime minister entrusted Ms. Pelosi with no such message. "What was communicated to the U.S. House Speaker does not contain any change in the policies of Israel," said a statement quickly issued by the prime minister's office. In fact, Mr. Olmert told Ms. Pelosi that "a number of Senate and House members who recently visited Damascus received the impression that despite the declarations of Bashar Assad, there is no change in the position of his country regarding a possible peace process with Israel." In other words, Ms. Pelosi not only misrepresented Israel's position but was virtually alone in failing to discern that Mr. Assad's words were mere propaganda.

Never mind that that statement is ludicrous: As any diplomat with knowledge of the region could have told Ms. Pelosi, Mr. Assad is a corrupt thug whose overriding priority at the moment is not peace with Israel but heading off U.N. charges that he orchestrated the murder of former Lebanese prime minister Rafiq al-Hariri. The really striking development here is the attempt by a Democratic congressional leader to substitute her own foreign policy for that of a sitting Republican president. We have found much to criticize in Mr. Bush's military strategy and regional diplomacy. But Ms. Pelosi's attempt to establish a shadow presidency is not only counterproductive, it is foolish.

and this is from the washington post.
why do you dems go to syria claim a diplomatic victory and then only days later are left to look like fools.

Does anyone know if Nancy had a comfortable flight?

No, Last Anachronism, we cannot.

Bush's War was preemptively started by Bush, incompetently mismanaged by Bush, and lost by Bush.

Bush's War. Always was, always will be.

"Some may feel that the president should be the one conducting foreign policy but when it is obvious that he is insane the rules don't apply."

Although Bush often makes my butt want to chew tobacco, I think "insane" might be a little harsh. Now...if you REALLY want to see "insane," take a look at THIS guy.

www.matthiaskuentzel.de


3 More Republicans Part With Bush on Syria


WASHINGTON -- Three Republican congressmen who parted with President Bush by meeting with Syrian leaders said Wednesday it is important to maintain a dialogue with a country the White House says sponsors terrorism.

"I don't care what the administration says on this. You've got to do what you think is in the best interest of your country," said Rep. Frank Wolf, R-Va. "I want us to be successful in Iraq. I want us to clamp down on Hezbollah."

Washington accuses Syria of backing Hamas and Hezbollah, two groups it deems terrorist organizations. The Bush administration also says Syria is contributing to the violence in Iraq by allowing Sunni insurgents to operate from its territory and is destabilizing Lebanon's government.

Bush sharply criticized House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., for leading a delegation to meet with Syria's president, Bashar Assad.

The White House, however, stayed relatively quiet about a similar trip just a few days earlier by Wolf and GOP Reps. Robert Aderholt of Alabama and Joseph Pitts of Pennsylvania.

Returning on Wednesday, the lawmakers said they made clear to Assad that they support Bush and were not representing the administration. But they said they felt it was important to keep open lines of communication.

"This is an area where we would disagree with the administration," Aderholt said. "None of us in the Congress work for the president. We have to cast our own votes and ultimately answer to our own constituents. ... I think there's room that we can try to work with them as long as they know where we draw the line."

www.huffingtonpost.com

Oh! These Repubs must be Neville Chamberlain clones!

Dumbshit.

"Limp-dicked parroting of that name in lieu of any rational retort is about what we expect from you."

Gee, CORKY, I'm hurt. I thought I was paying you a large compliment when I put you on the same level as Pelosi and Chamberlain. Perhaps you would prefer to be compared to Cindy Sheehan or Rosie O'Donnel?

"I thought"

That was your first mistake.

Pelosi's sojourn is reminiscent of Jimmy Carter taking it upon himself to broker a deal with N. Korea regarding nukes.

To the best of my knowledge he wasn't selected by president Clinton to negotiate on his behalf. In addition, we have a well-established process for assigning such duties:

The president selects the Sec. of State and various ambassadors who are then approved (or not) by Congress for the position.

Jimmah's little subversion of our political process is rarely talked about. I bet Clinton is pissed at him to this day.

For additional light on this procedural subversion, google "Logan Act".

"Dumbshit."

Brilliant comeback, CORKY! I bet that'll make everybody afraid to get into any kind of debate with YOU. I know it sure impressed ME.

Bush's War was preemptively started by Bush, incompetently mismanaged by Bush, and lost by Bush.

Bush's War. Always was, always will be.




Posted by Corky at 2007-04-05 10:14 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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well this post should be sent in.....to rush and let him read it......it is a little amazing sometimes how the left will talk out thier ass about rush and then turn around and prove him correct to a 't'...........as he says,,,,,the left owns defeat....and here we see how it manisfests itslef........only the left believes we have LOST anything because they are invested in our defeat.....if we didnt lose, they would be wrong.......

Poor CORKY...if ignorance was a snowflake, he'd be a walking blizzard. We should treat him kindly in light of this handicap.

""That's why Bush hasn't been impeached yet because the Democrats know that the invasion was perfectly legal.""'
haha.
The ONLY reason Bush hasn't been impeached is because the Dems don't have enough votes in the Congress. Everyone understands that he has committed crimes but it Republicans just care about politics. They exchanged their patriotism for corporate contributions.
They sold out America and we will all suffer for generations because of it.


No, the brilliant part of the comeback was to juxtaposition Republicans saying and doing the same thing as the SOTH.

But, perhaps you missed that part.

AND she has already been behind the house authorizing the defeat of the USA so why is it surprising that now she is talking to a nation's leader who has had a part in killing americans by all reports.....or at least looks the other way while terrorist use thier territory to kill americans........

and this ISNT another jane fonda? please!!!!!! and each and every republican in syria is just as culpable.


So Clintonlover, are you the only one in the country besides Dick Cheenie who thinks a military victory is possible?

I know you understand that betting on a horse that hasn't got any business in the race is a pretty foolish thing to do.

dont get too riled jest...

no matter how much the left insults me here I consider it a badge of courage...they arent used to being questioned about ANYTHING since they are the smartest people in the world.......
and just read poor danni's last post...have you ever read anything more pathetic.........and I dont mean pathetic as in stupid or any insulting sense......sincerely, I dont,......I mean pathetic in that someone so upset and sad and distraught.....why is she still living here.....I bet chavez or castro or some other socialist hero of hers would gladly take her in..........and give her everything she needed......well only one roll of toilet paper per week.....and free health care of course.....well except she would have to wait a year for that nose job...........sorry....just teasing.........a year for that nip and tuck.......AGAIN>...just teasing.....its when you have to wait a year for that kidney transplant that is not a joke.....

The Republicans who went over there are just as bad as the Speaker of the House. One of them is from my state and, as stated previously, I plan on writing him a letter.

The Speaker of the House has no right nor Constitutional authority to make diplomacy with a foreign power. Not to mention the fact that Assad helped orchestrate the assassination of the leader of Lebanon, supports and helps train Hezbollah, and also hates Israel just as much as the Iranian Government does. Assad says he's ready for peace talks with Israel. Is he really? Or is this another game like the ones the Israelis and Palestinians play with one another from time to time?

I guess only time will tell. However Nancy Pelosi is not the woman for the job. She might be the Speaker of the House but she is still just a representative of a district in California and her authority stops there as far foreign policy goes.

The Republicans who went over there are just as bad as the Speaker of the House. One of them is from my state and, as stated previously, I plan on writing him a letter.

The Speaker of the House has no right nor Constitutional authority to make diplomacy with a foreign power. Not to mention the fact that Assad helped orchestrate the assassination of the leader of Lebanon, supports and helps train Hezbollah, and also hates Israel just as much as the Iranian Government does. Assad says he's ready for peace talks with Israel. Is he really? Or is this another game like the ones the Israelis and Palestinians play with one another from time to time?

I guess only time will tell. However Nancy Pelosi is not the woman for the job. She might be the Speaker of the House but she is still just a representative of a district in California and her authority stops there as far as foreign policy goes.

So Clintonlover, are you the only one in the country besides Dick Cheenie who thinks a military victory is possible?
Posted by Corky

Corky:
Glad to see you're the mouthpiece for the Military serving in Irag.

The Republicans visiting Syria were out of line as well. However, the SOTH carries much more weight and misrepresented Israel's position in her meeting with Assad. Syria is the ONLY party engaged against Israel in the Six Day War that has consistently refused to sign a treaty.

"Only one problem: The Israeli prime minister entrusted Ms. Pelosi with no such message. "What was communicated to the U.S. House Speaker does not contain any change in the policies of Israel," said a statement quickly issued by the prime minister's office. In fact, Mr. "Olmert told Ms. Pelosi that "a number of Senate and House members who recently visited Damascus received the impression that despite the declarations of Bashar Assad, there is no change in the position of his country regarding a possible peace process with Israel." In other words, Ms. Pelosi not only misrepresented Israel's position but was virtually alone in failing to discern that Mr. Assad's words were mere propaganda."

I know you understand that betting on a horse that hasn't got any business in the race is a pretty foolish thing to do.


Posted by Corky at 2007-04-05 10:33 AM | Reply | Flag:


you are so correct....that is a proven point of handicapping.....there is another one about a horse not being able to repeat his best race in the next one..
but the best one is one that I look for first and foremost.....

the horse who STAYS IN THE RACE and doesnt just stop when the others are moving on......he is called a sustained horse or a sustained presser....one who STAYS THE COURSE and is able to pass the ones who have SPIT THE BIT and given up...

damn....thanks for the help in that example..........

No Wisgod,

The military's expert on insurrgencies gives one like this about 10 years to overcome.

Pack your bags.

might need to explain....when a horse is really running well they will keep pushing on the bit and when they have given up and ready to stop they just want it out of their mouths........

so lets see......since I have to explain my 'nuance' so much here.....
the dems are the ones who want to 'spit the bit' and the right wing are the ones who want this race to run sustained .....

whew...that makes me want to go out and get a racing form for today and check out oaklawn park's card.

The train has pulled out of the station and the fat lady has sung. Herr Bush is no longer the spokesman of the U S government. He has been pursuing policies that the majority do not support. He has now become superfluous as congress has taken over the reins of foreign policy. the U S is not a dictatorship or a kingdom. The president has chosen his fate by NOT doing the business of the American People. Speaks to his lack of vision and leadership. A new Day

"The Speaker of the House has no right nor Constitutional authority to make diplomacy with a foreign power. "

You're joking, right?

Congress is a co-equal branch of government. Or weren't you paying attention that day in civics class?

"dont get too riled jest..."

I'm not riled, BLT. Actually, I'm kinda enjoying myself. Yes, I've seen the stuff DANNI posts. She's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things but DOES provide some quality amusement.


lol!

"Stay the course!"

The mantra of those too ignorant, too incompetent, too dim to imagine positive outcomes from progressive thinking.

They say that one of the definitions of insanity is to keep doing the same old things while expecting different results.

A study in Bushit Philosophy.


Hey this administration has set the bar so low that there is no such thing as not qualified, somebody has to start talking to those people we have differences with. I much rather have Ms. Pelosi talking with them as opposed to the irresponsible cowboys in the white house.

She's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things but DOES provide some quality amusement.

Posted by jestgettinalong

The funniest thing is, she believes what she posts.

"misrepresented Israel's position in her meeting with Assad. "

Imagaine that a democrat putting words in someones mouth.

""She's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things but DOES provide some quality amusement.""

Said the man who supports the president who's poll numbers are so far in the toilet that only a plumber could find them. Irrelevant??? Seems to me that those who chant disproven crap are the one's who are now viewed as irrelevant.
You guys lost the argument when the war continued years past your six month estimates now America is rejecting everything you and your side has to say.
You have become Baghdad Bobs.

"The mantra of those too ignorant, too incompetent, too dim to imagine positive outcomes from progressive thinking."

Thank God we have YOU...and Rosie O'Donnell..to keep us straight, CORKY.

The mantra of those too ignorant, too incompetent, too dim to imagine positive outcomes from progressive thinking.

Corky is the progressive thinker. Unfortunately, the people listening on the street corner think he is a *#@king idiot. Are his the ramblings of a street corner philosopher who is so brilliant and articulate he can't hold a job? Or are they the result of a drunken stuper? Or possibly just a person who suffers from wealth envy?

"Olmert had told Pelosi that he thought her trip to Damascus was a mistake."

Well, who the hell does he think he is?

You guys lost the argument when the war continued years past your six month estimates now America is rejecting everything you and your side has to say.
Funny Flag!

And fools like you do not remember the votes of your heros on the left in support of the war!

"You guys lost the argument when the war continued years past your six month estimates..."

People with wisdom know that this war has been going on for decades and will go on for at least another decade or so. Look around, DANNI, take a look back in history starting in 1979. Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Somalia, Darfur...they are just battles in a larger war. Our enemy is definitely "staying the course."

"We've established on this thread that Pelosi has taken over the responsibility of the war by removing funding from our troops."

Because you say so?

ROTFLMAO

She's actually following the Baker Commission's guidelines. Imagine that. We need Syria and Iran to help us with Iraq.

SLICKSTERWILLY...the difference is, those on the left realized...finally...it was a mistake..unlike you goose stepping asswipes on the right, who would never fight yourselves..( i.e. Rove..Bush..Cheney..ETC).but want this mindless exercise in futility to continue forever.

The Washington Post...
www.washingtonpost.com

"Ms. Pelosi responded by pointing out that Republican congressmen had visited Syria without drawing presidential censure. That's true enough -- but those other congressmen didn't try to introduce a new U.S. diplomatic initiative in the Middle East. "We came in friendship, hope, and determined that the road to Damascus is a road to peace," Ms. Pelosi grandly declared.

The really striking development here is the attempt by a Democratic congressional leader to substitute her own foreign policy for that of a sitting Republican president. Two weeks ago Ms. Pelosi rammed legislation through the House of Representatives that would strip Mr. Bush of his authority as commander in chief to manage troop movements in Iraq. Now she is attempting to introduce a new Middle East policy that directly conflicts with that of the president. We have found much to criticize in Mr. Bush's military strategy and regional diplomacy. But Ms. Pelosi's attempt to establish a shadow presidency is not only counterproductive, it is foolish."

You have become Baghdad Bobs.

Posted by danni at 2007-04-05 10:58


good for you......a putdown without using words like moron and stupid........it also puts at ease on the danni suicide watch..............did larry help you with that one???? hee hee........

corky.........so I guess you were a fan of jenny too in forrest gump....and before you scratch your head and dont get the reference.........she was the consumate liberal in that movie....she did so many drugs that it eventually killed her and she got into peacenik shit that turned into the black panthers.,but mainly for my purpose here....
remember when she kept saying....
'run forrest run'.......only a liberal will keep saying that rather than to turn and face your fears and oppenents and FACE THE SITUATION......in other words....run tail instead of doing something about it.......

"good for you......a putdown without using words like moron and stupid"

How about goose stepping asswipes? Thats a good one that really brings a good debate to the table.

Stupid analogy, BLT. Those stupid, inbred rednecks would've killed Gump. You would turn around and lead with your face. That's whats wrong with GWB. Only his ass is surrounded by security.

AnalBaghdadBobLovertwo......?

"You have become Baghdad Bobs."

ROFLMFAO!! Perfect analogy. Though Bahgdad Boobs works, too.

"Unfortunately, the people listening on the street corner think he is a *#@king idiot. Are his the ramblings of a street corner philosopher who is so brilliant and articulate he can't hold a job? Or are they the result of a drunken stuper?"


I am surprised to see you talk of your Lord Bush this way. What? Has the Loyalty Oath worn off?

I mean, most Americans now recognize what a FUBAR of a Presidency this is. It's only the cretins and the sycophants left licking Bush balls now.

blt.... Alzheimer's is a terrible thing to waste.

A new Rasmussen poll shows the majority think Corky's last post was retarded.

SLICKSTERWILLY...the difference is, those on the left realized...finally...it was a mistake..unlike you goose stepping asswipes on the right, who would never fight yourselves..( i.e. Rove..Bush..Cheney..ETC).but want this mindless exercise in futility to continue forever.

They only realized it was a mistake when it was politically advantagous to do so.

Ah the nazi reference. Always from the liberal elite advanced thinkers. Comedian once again, you have shown yourself to be a uninformed idiot.

Isn't it the left that favors socialism in the US?

www.britannica.com

Nazi a byname for the National Socialist German Workers' Party which was the political party of the mass movement known as National Socialism.

"How about goose stepping asswipes?"

Goose-stepping asswipes??? I kinda like those. Saw a bunch of 'em in that protest in D.C. a short while back. The only ones that ever impressed me more were the participants in the "puke-out" protest out West a few years ago. I wish they would organize anothe one of those. It was hilarious.

I thought "goose stepping asswipes"..had a certain charm,howeveer it was suppose to be "Rightwing goose stepping asswipes"..BTW..if we had an administration capable of conducting dialogue with those they disagree, the Speaker wouldn"t have to do it.....

"...Bahgdad Boobs..."

Yeah, like the Keystone Kops. Only stupider.

Bush Job Ratings

www.pollingreport.com

You can fool some of he people some of the time...... and most of the Rethugs all of the time.

"the" people

Greetings Infidels--

So much for Nancy's Party--

www.jpost.com

She kinda screwed the pooch.


Murphy

..if we had an administration capable of conducting dialogue with those they disagree, the Speaker wouldn"t have to do it.....

The speaker is a idiot, what is she doing misrepresenting Israels position? We have enough problems w/o her stirring the pot and lying about another nations position. What a BOOB.

"A new Rasmussen poll shows the majority think Corky's last post was retarded."

He's not retarded, he suffers from optiorectumitis. It is a condition caused by the optic nerves becoming entangled with the sphincter. I bet his azzhole is biting the seat cushion everytime he blinks. If not corrected it causes one to not know whether to sh1t or go blind...hence, his posts. Eventually, he will be condemned to living with a sh1tty outlook on life.

Oh! These Repubs must be Neville Chamberlain clones!

Dumbshit.

Posted by Corky


Oooo.. The Libs are getting touchy over the news of the last couple of weeks.

They elect the Democrats into Congress and within the first 100 day they manage to take over the outcome of the war!

Libs must be going crazy!

But that's not all!

Pelosi, now owning the war, goes to make peace with countries who have no desire for peace but desire for power; they want Iraq! Pelosi doesn't know that.

Congratulations Libs. That November election is paying off.

Notice the argument. Pelosi has no authority, etc., and in the next breath she's undermining the diplomatic effort. Well, if she's really inconsequential then no one is going to give much weight to what she says or does.

But she's not inconsequential and that's why Bush is ranting on about it. I'd say that Nancy's doing a good job of stealing Bush's fire. And why not. Condi Rice can't do the job. Not once in two years has she demonstrated a diplomatic success.

In one sense we're all ambassadors when visiting another country, and it's high time for America to show a new face to the world. Bush is a lame duck and it doesn't matter how loud he quacks and flaps his wings. He's history. And that's a good thing.

last, it is truly good to see that your group of cheerleaders understand that the war is ruining you. keep trying to get its smell off your hands. cant be done

I'd say that Nancy's doing a good job of stealing Bush's fire.
Posted by MikeSiesel

Maybe so Mike, but when she delivers a message, she might want to make sure the "sender" agrees with it.


Ha!

You can always tell when you push the right buttons on these trolls. They string together nonsensical rants projecting their own fears and insecurities.

Don't worry Jestanada, your secrets are safe with us.

jestgettinalong,

funnyflag

"She's actually following the Baker Commission's guidelines. Imagine that. We need Syria and Iran to help us with Iraq.
Posted by BullMoose"

Syria is too busy murdering Lebanese Politicians. Iran is too busy building EFP devices and training people to use them on our troops.

Funny flag for LastAmerican, one of the truly great spoofers on the DR. His satirical posts, in which he takes on the role of a rightwing ignoramus inhabiting a lonely outpost in a forgotten backwater somewhere over the distant horizon in a parallel universe are not masterpieces but consistently amusing.

If Pelosi is misrepresenting Israel's position...then Bush is certanly misrepresenting America's position on Iraq...(remember 60% of us want the troops out)...so if your worried about misrepresentation..like to your president...and then look in the mirror.

Notice the argument. Pelosi has no authority, etc., and in the next breath she's undermining the diplomatic effort.

Yep and the Iranians capitalized on that.

The Libs must understand that the Iranians want the Democrats in the White House in 2008.

The Iranians saw her coming and released the hostages!

The Iranians are in control. Little ole Iran can control the Democrats? That's a real scarey thought.

Think about it, the Iranians NEED the Democrats to win in 2008. If the Republicans win, the government of Iran will change. The people of Iran will continue the revolution that started 28 years ago.

WHAT'S really hilarious is Rethugs quoting Syrian press releases when it happens to suit them.

You can't believe anything the Syrians say, you can't even talk to them. But if they issue a press release you like, then it's OK.

Baghdad Boobs, indeed.


Funny, Doc.

Last Anachronism lives down to his name.

Maybe so Mike, but when she delivers a message, she might want to make sure the "sender" agrees with it.

Posted by wisgod


Pelosi screwed up in a major way and it's already backfiring on her.

Did she actually plan all this?

She'd better get her little butt back here, fund the troops and shut her mouth.

In the first 100 days of the new Congress, she has managed to take over the responsibility of the war and piss off an ally.

Nice deflection comedian. It should read Pelosi burns Bush and Israel by extending olive branch to terrorists.

I didn't say it was perfect, Prob. Hell, what is? I think The Baker Commission has a better grasp on diplomatic matters than the President will ever have. Syria and Iran have more influence over the rebels in Iraq than we do.

"...she has managed to take over the responsibility of the war..."

This seems to fit LLPOF's whole dishonest persona:

LLPOF: Anatomy of a Liar

The "Hans Alters Posts" Lie
The "My Son is a Marine" Lie
The "I Got Hans Banned" Lie
The "I Read Loki, Who is Loki" Lie
----------
LastAmerican Admits: Hans Was Right
Hans

last, in retrospect, do you regret getting that W tattooed on your chest?

when she delivers a message, she might want to make sure the "sender" agrees with it.

Fuck Israel. If they really wanted peace they'd have returned to the 67 borders many years ago, taking at least one argument off the table.

They're as two faced as any politician, and Olmert has been sucking up to Bush since he took office. I don't trust his intents. And if there was a "miscommunication" then he shares the fault.

Besides, who knows what is said behind closed doors, and how many times do we hear one thing followed by a contradiction. This could be part of the diplomatic game. One message for Assad, and another for the home boys.

As usual it's the messenger who takes the bullet.

As usual it's the messenger who takes the bullet.

Posted by MikeSiesel

The messenger earned the bullet. Remember, W told her not to go, so there is no fault to share.
Nice try...

Funny flag for LastAmerican, one of the truly great spoofers on the DR. His satirical posts, in which he takes on the role of a rightwing ignoramus inhabiting a lonely outpost in a forgotten backwater somewhere over the distant horizon in a parallel universe are not masterpieces but consistently amusing.

Posted by Doc_Sarvis



The rantings of a frustrated Liberal...

You need to get laid, dude.

I bet you awake at night with Pelosi's picture and a flash light.

Posted by BullMoose


BullMoose what alias did you use before and why are you changing? Did Rob get to you?

W told her not to go

Who gives a fuck what "W" says, or wants.

He's made so many diplomatic gaffs that he has no currency in world opinion.

Time to face the fact that outside of the Iraq war Bush is irrelevant. And soon he won't even have that.

He's just a lame duck who can't resist quacking.

I mean, he does control the State Department, and if it was really a big deal he could have seized Pelosi's passport. Maybe he just didn't have the balls to do it, huh?

The rantings of a frustrated Liberal...

You need to get laid, dude.


I bet you awake at night with Pelosi's picture and a flash light.



Dayum that Goofy is a master of the rejoinder.

You need to get laid, dude.

What originality, what prowess, what...what...what?

What do you mean it's been used no less than a billion times before by people way smarter and with way more style than Balto?

Are you sure?

Shit, I don't want to be the one to tell him that.

That's right Mike. No matter what the left alway's gets a pass. Christ, I forgot this thread was about Bush.

the Iranians want the Democrats in the White House in 2008

Actually, considering the gains they've made in terms of influence, and control of southern Iraq, I wouldn't be surprised if they supported a continuation of the Bush Administration.

"BullMoose what alias did you use before and why are you changing?"

Funny that the author of this...

"I read some of the posts that this Loki guy put up."
...is asking anyone what alias they used before.

Hans

"I bet you awake at night with Pelosi's picture and a flash light.
Posted by LastAmerica"

Another FF for Last!

How do you do it? I mean, go into character like that? I don't think I've seen the likes of it since George Lindsey hung up his Goober hat for the last time on Hee Haw. Really, thanks for the yuks.

No matter what the...

Republicans will make mountains out of molehills.


I forgot this thread was about Bush.

Well read the headline. Pelosi...Burns Bush.

Seems pretty clear to me.

Bush Burns Bridges...Pelosi Burns Bush

Pelosi has accomplished nothing people, except embarrass herself and America. Do you really think a bunch of Muslim men take HER seriously?? They used her as a prop to make themselves look dovish and to make the U.S. look weak in the eyes of the international community.

Did any of the Iranians notice the 2 aircraft carrier battlegroups in the region with a 3rd one on the way?? You bet they did. They are not stupid, but some in their ranks want war with the west, others seek diplomacy. Cooler heads prevailed. Pelosi had nothing to do with that.

Time to "move on".....

Tell us what she could possibly acheive other than use the MSM in an attempt to make Bush look bad.

SLICKSTERWILLY


Bush hasn't needed any help looking bad. He's done a fantastic job, a stupendous job!!!

He's doin' a HECK of a job at looking bad - all by himself.

I'm glad Pelosi went. Bush's whole foreign policy includes nothing more than guns and giving our allies the finger.

Pelosi has accomplished nothing people, except embarrass herself and America. Do you really think a bunch of Muslim men take HER seriously??

COCOBEWARE


I guess you forgot that Pakistan had a female Prime Minister - elected TWICE - Bhutto.

Pelosi and the dems DON'T own the war.

The American people do (by default) because we are getting stuck with the bill, in the trillions let me remind you.

Pelosi is doing nothing but some political posturing visiting Syria.

She (remember) removed the language from a bill that would have required Bush to seek congressional approval first, before attacking Iran.

After being booed at an AIPAC convention, she had the provision removed.

In essence saying "screw the American peoples wishes, in favor of AIPAC."

Her actions (and lack of language in the bill) show who she represents.

Puppets.

Do you really think a bunch of Muslim men take HER seriously??

The same could be said about Condi Rice.

And Who decided she should be Secretary of State?

After all, Pelosi has a political agenda (using the Iraq Study Group recommendations as an excuse for her trip), but Rice has a DUTY to affect diplomacy and get results and of course she hasn't.

If that's because the Muslim men don't take her seriously, then she shouldn't have been nominated, or confirmed, and should now step down.

Pelosi burns PMO

In essence saying "screw the American peoples wishes, in favor of AIPAC."
and she should step down, right Mike?

If that's because the Muslim men don't take her seriously, then she shouldn't have been nominated, or confirmed, and should now step down.

Posted by MikeSiesel


And I mean it!

MikeSiesel

"Do you really think a bunch of Muslim men take HER seriously??

The same could be said about Condi Rice.

Also seem to remember when W appointed Karen Hughes as Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy and sent her off to "the Middle East to "change their perception of America", starting with a stop in Egypt, Hughes went on a tour of the Middle East to speak with leaders and people from the region.

"Do you really think a bunch of Muslim men take HER seriously??

The same could be said about Condi Rice.

"Also seem to remember when W appointed Karen Hughes as Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy and sent her off to "the Middle East to "change their perception of America", starting with a stop in Egypt, Hughes went on a tour of the Middle East to speak with leaders and people from the region."

All of these points support my claim. Have THEY been taken seriously by the Muslim nations??? Wake up.

I think some people on this board need to realize something when it comes to "allies". I hear people write that Bush pisses of our "allies", how his foreign policy is bad, etc.

Allies are allies because it is in their best interests to be such. There is NO OTHER REASON. Do you think we had allies in the past becasue we were "nice" to them??

Allies come and allies go but a country's value of its'interests always stay the same.

Bush was elected by the American people to be the leader of this country, Pelosi was not. It is as simple as that folks.

If you think any government official (other than the president or the Secretary of State) should be able to go to any foreign nation and speak to the government leadership of that nation on behalf of the U.S. and represent their political views as representing the views of the U.S. OR an Ally of the U.S. (Israel) then you are just as misguided as Pelosi is.

I guess the new explanation as to why she is over there is to try to do what the Baker Commission said to do. The problem is...Syria and Iran don't want to help us. Why the hell are they training insurgents/letting insurgents into Iraq if they want to be all diplomatic with the United States? Why do the Iranians want to see Israel "wiped off the map" if they want to be diplomatic with us?

Israel is an ally of the United States and a very crucial one at that. Israel is probably the most powerful country in the Middle-East right now in terms of military might and will be a great asset if and when the shit hits the fan in the Middle-East. Syria and Iran want nothing more than to see Lebanon fall under Syrian control so they can be one step closer to the Israeli border. Assad is a two-faced pimp and I can't believe Pelosi couldn't sense that.

Assad was probably insulted just for being in the same room as Pelosi because his respect for women reportedly doesn't run too high.

"US House speaker Nancy Pelosi sat in the speaker's chair on Thursday on a visit to conservative Saudi Arabia's all-male advisory council and said her talks with King Abdullah centered on his Middle East peace plan.
"Nice view from here," Pelosi said as she sat in the chair of Sheikh Saleh bin Humaid, a Muslim cleric who heads the 150-strong appointed Shura (consultative) Council.

Sporting a pistachio green pantsuit in a country where only foreign dignitaries are exempted from the abaya, the long black cloak that is a must for other women, Pelosi was shown around the posh advisory body and held a one-hour meeting with a dozen members.

"I am very pleased that after 200-plus years in the United States we finally have a (woman) speaker. It took us a long time," Pelosi said when asked how she felt about sitting in a place from which Saudi women are excluded.

The leading US Democrat put her hand on her chest when she was greeted by bin Humaid on arrival, the traditional response to greetings from clerics who do not shake hands with women. She did shake hands with other Shura members."


Yeah, They Respect Women SOOOO much in the Middle East..... Don't let the facts hurt you people.

Why would she go to an obvious supporter of those killing US troops when she has no power to implement any type of policy on dealing with them?

Damacus Nancy!

Posted by slicksterWilly at 2007-04-05 09:36 AM


Slick, you missed the latter part of my post:

However, if this is just more games by the Syrians, then Nancy will not need eyeliner for awhile.

Looks like Revlon stock is going to dip a bit...

"Yeah, They Respect Women SOOOO much in the Middle East..... Don't let the facts hurt you people."
posted by Coco

So what do you make of George Bush sending over Karen Hughes first, and now Condi Rice? Do you think Rice should resign because she's a woman and middle easterners don't respect her?

Bush was elected by the American people to be the leader of this country, Pelosi was not. It is as simple as that folks.

Bush wasn't elected to lead America off a cliff, SOMEONE has to be an adult and take the lead and turn the ship around.

TALKING to your enemies is something the U.S. has done throughout it's history. Nothing new there.

If Bush won't engage our 'enemies' in the ME, as the Iraq Study Group suggested, then SOMEONE has to.

So Coco - I think I'm hearing from you that appointing Karen Hughes and Condi Rice to critical diplomatic positions was a mistake by the President. What other mistakes might he have also made?

By the way - a 3 person Republican Congressional delegation met with Assad today, 1 day after Pelosi was there. They also cited the Baker report about the importance of engaging our adversaries in diplomacy. Why isn't Bush in the Rose Garden frothing over that? Those naughty, naughty Republicans!

By the way - a 3 person Republican Congressional delegation met with Assad today, 1 day after Pelosi was there. They also cited the Baker report about the importance of engaging our adversaries in diplomacy. Why isn't Bush in the Rose Garden frothing over that? Those naughty, naughty Republicans!

Really? And did they represent the views of Israel or the U.S. position on Syria? Did they make any declarations???

So Coco - I think I'm hearing from you that appointing Karen Hughes and Condi Rice to critical diplomatic positions was a mistake by the President. What other mistakes might he have also made?

Not a mistake at all, very purposeful selections. You all claim that Bush does not want dialogue with the Middle East, what better way to acheive that and appear to be doing so than with a Woman??

Do you believe, as President Bush asserts, that Nancy Pelosi's trip to Syria sends mixed signals to the region?
Total: 7430
Yes
67% 4994 Votes
No
32% 2436 Votes



home.bellsouth.net

Bush wasn't elected to lead America off a cliff, SOMEONE has to be an adult and take the lead and turn the ship around. Bush is the elected leader of the U.S. Like it or not. Apparently, you do not.

TALKING to your enemies is something the U.S. has done throughout it's history. Nothing new there. Really? Japanese and Germans got a mouthful huh? How about WWI? North and South sat down for a chat in 1861 did they? How about the British, we sat down with them over tea and crumpets did we? Recheck your history.

If Bush won't engage our 'enemies' in the ME, as the Iraq Study Group suggested, then SOMEONE has to. "Enemies" are you doing that to suggest that they are really "allies" instead?? Please. He is engaging them through the U.N. or have you forgotten that Iran is defying them just as Iraq did? Would you prefer some other type of "engagement"? If so, what do we have to give that our "enemies" want? PEACE?!? LOL!

""Do you believe, as President Bush asserts, that Nancy Pelosi's trip to Syria sends mixed signals to the region?""

Mixed message: America wants peace in the ME even though our president is a war monger.

"home.bellsouth.net"

An ATT poll page?

And that's supposed to be an accurate measure of what?

ATT mobile phone users?

Hans

Mixed message: America wants peace in the ME even though our president is a war monger.

Why doesn't Bush just bomb Iran then? Why go through the trouble of U.N. Sanctions?? I mean hell, if he wants war with Iran "Peaceful" Pelosi has given him the green light to do so WITHOUT Congressional approval! FACT.

And that's supposed to be an accurate measure of what?




Not all people are far left loonies ?Hehehe...


TREES.....

That is the THIRD time you've used the "s" word today....

I DO like this side of you.... LOL

I am sure Syria will now act fast and join the Human race now that Nancy Palosi went there.

You leftists have no real grip on reality.

What did she promis the murderer asad? Money? The Big Gun? She is wearing a short little dress in the picture... maybe she threatened to throw him a Boning!

That guy has defaulted on every Peace plan aver sent to him... Why? because as long as he supports the terrorists, He gets Huge amounts of support from the rest of the Arab world in the form of CASH you idiots!

We could pay hime more money I guess...

He will never give that up.

Aparently she is over there Making shit up>


Read this:
The Prime Minister's Office issued a rare "clarification" Wednesday that, in gentle diplomatic terms, contradicted US Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi's statement in Damascus that she had brought a message from Israel about a willingness to engage in peace talks.

Olmert, told Pelosi that Syria's sincerity about a genuine peace with Israel would be judged by its willingness to "cease its support of terror, cease its sponsoring of the Hamas and Islamic Jihad organizations, refrain from providing weapons to Hizbullah and bringing about the destabilizing of Lebanon, cease its support of terror in Iraq, and relinquish the strategic ties it is building with the extremist regime in Iran."
None of that will ever happen because he is making Huge money supporting terrorists. Period.


Nancy...... You're an IDIOT!


Liberals like Pelosi want it so bad, SOO bad to have their views be relevant in the world. You are still on the FRINGE.

In all honesty, I think the American people can se Pelosi for what she is. When was the last time a SOH took a jaunt like this and made similar claims only to be shot down?

Danni,

Just curious how you're holding up.

Pelosi has managed to completly screw up in the "First 100 Days" of the new Congress.

She took over the resposibility of the outcome of the war and made herself Speaker-in-Chief over to Syria and bring the wrong message.

There are still 5 more days to go right? I'd say that's ample time to get this government working for the people again.

If indeed that is the goal...

And CNN is so "in tune" that they posted THIS report, noting Jimmy Carter's support for the trip, this afternoon. LONG after the meeting was denounced by Israel.
www.cnn.com

WAY to go, CNN....

Maybe Larry can get Nancy on, after her vacation, and the dust settles a bit, LOL

"Pelosi defended her visit, saying her talks with Al-Assad focused only on topics on which she and Bush agree."

Must have been one hell of a short meeting. She couldn't have made a simple phone call?

"took over the resposibility of the outcome of the war"
Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-04-05 03:44 PM

"taken over the responsibility for the outcome of the war."
Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-04-05 02:58 PM

"take over the responsibility of the war"
Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-04-05 11:43 AM

"take over the outcome of the war"
"now owning the war"
Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-04-05 11:28 AM

"taken over the responsibility of the war"
Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-04-05 10:11 AM

It seems our resident representative of the party of responsibility wants no responsibility for a war proposed, (semi-) planned, and (poorly) prosecuted wholly by the party of responsibility.

Can't wait to get that stink off, can you?

It seems our resident representative of the party of responsibility wants no responsibility for a war proposed, (semi-) planned, and (poorly) prosecuted wholly by the party of responsibility.

Can't wait to get that stink off, can you?

Posted by Danforth at 2007-04-05 04:21 PM | Reply


Isn't it always the case with Republicans. John F Kennedy screwed up at Bay of Pigs but at least He took FULL RESPONSIBILITY for that fuck up. WHere are the Republicans on this Trying every God damned thing they can to deflect responsibility for their actions. They don't want to be held responsible for what they supported. Those fucking slimeballs don't have the Maturity to accept Responsibility.

Sincerely
Larry Mohr

There are still 5 more days to go right? I'd say that's ample time to get this government working for the people again.

If indeed that is the goal...

Posted by the_nether


... and which government are you talking about?

If you're talking about the US government then that's a myth that the Democrats made up to get idiots like you voting for them. It worked and they turned around and being overzealous complete screwed the pooch.

I thought it would take at least six months to a year for them to screw up as badly as they have so far.

Can't wait to get that stink off, can you?

Posted by Danforth


Nope, Just like pushing your buttons.

It's works every time.

Give 'em Hell, Larry!

" Just like pushing your buttons. "

Translation: I work for the RNC and am just here doing some test-marketing.

"Give 'em Hell, Larry!"

He doesn't give 'em hell...he just tells the truth about 'em and they think it's hell!

(apologies & h/t to hst)

"Give 'em Hell, Larry!"

Care to comment on the thread Larry or are you just here to deflect?

Has Pelosi taken responsibility for her actions. I wonder if she will apoligize for delivering the wrong message. What a fool, she is obviously not the sharpest democratic congressman or woman we have, come on dems you can do better.

Isn't it always the case with Republicans. John F Kennedy screwed up at Bay of Pigs but at least He took FULL RESPONSIBILITY for that fuck up.

There's no screw up to take resposibility for, scummbag.

Actually the surge is going well and making progress despite Pelosi's screw ups.

Pelosi Needs a loss in Iraq so that the Democrats can win in 2008. If we win in Iraq, then Republicans get voted in. It's the sad truth.

Pelosi engineered a sure loss by putting in a time table and thus took of the responsibility for the outcome of the war, which will be a loss because of the Democrats.

Need more information?

"They don't want to be held responsible for what they supported."

Shall I list the democrat Senators that supported it as well?

Care to comment on the thread Larry or are you just here to deflect?

Don't put any faith in Larry who will only deflect, call you names. He's as dishonest as they come.

" Just like pushing your buttons. "

Translation: I work for the RNC and am just here doing some test-marketing.

Posted by Danforth


This is the signal that he's got his back to the wall and can't answer the challenge and can't face the truth.

It's pathetic, really. Embarrassing to watch.

There's no screw up to take resposibility for, scummbag.

Actually the surge is going well and making progress despite Pelosi's screw ups.

Pelosi Needs a loss in Iraq so that the Democrats can win in 2008. If we win in Iraq, then Republicans get voted in. It's the sad truth.

Pelosi engineered a sure loss by putting in a time table and thus took of the responsibility for the outcome of the war, which will be a loss because of the Democrats.

Need more information?

Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-04-05 04:44 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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Care to comment on the thread Larry or are you just here to deflect?

Don't put any faith in Larry who will only deflect, call you names. He's as dishonest as they come.

Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-04-05 04:46 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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You are so full of shit it's not even funny. You just called Me a scumbag then complain and state that I only call names. No that would be You who calls names.

Larry

"He's as dishonest as they come.

Posted by LastAmerican"

Funny flag for LLPOF! How much did the lightening bolt from on high miss you by when you typed that?

Where is the evidence that the war in Iraq is going badly for the U.S.??

Your selective outrage against republicans is whats full of shit. Where is your same rhetoric for the democrats that supported it?

Do you believe, as President Bush asserts, that Nancy Pelosi's trip to Syria sends mixed signals to the region?
Total: 7430
Yes
67% 4994 Votes
No
32% 2436 Votes


And I just voted NO 5 times.

That's a scientific poll.

LMAO


He's as dishonest as they come.

This from a guy in the running for Biggest Liar on the blog.

Too funny for words.

"This from a guy in the running for Biggest Liar on the blog.

Too funny for words.

Posted by MikeSiesel"

No Mike, he has won it hands down and has been awarded the golden LLPOF moniker to wear proudly. (Although Lurchy didn't want to give up the tiara)

"Shall I list the democrat Senators that supported it as well?"

Do you actually equate giving the go-ahead with the prosecution of the war itself? Who voted to go in undermanned? Who voted to believe in flowers and chocolates? Who voted to guard the oil fields, but not the museums or the ammo dumps? Who voted to destroy the societal infrastructure (de-Ba'athification)while they were simultaneously destroying the civil infrastructure?

I don't give a fig about who "supported" what beforehand...this fiasco was horrendously prosecuted from the start: too few in, too little protection, too much hubris. It's ever further hubris---and a bit insulting---to blame the party not driving the bus for the last 6 years.

In a stab of irony, the PNAC business crowd may not get the 21st century ME money factory they were craving due to lack of seed capital for their little start-up....

But while almost all Republicans and some Democrats voted to give Bush authorization, the prosecution of this war from day one to this day has all been by the Republicans. No one can point to one single aspect to date, of the prosecution of these two wars, which the neocon architects have wanted yet the Democrats have prevented.

Still, success has many fathers, failure is an orphan, and this red-headed stepchild of a war is being abandoned by many on this site. Will we ultimately need a paternity test?

"Can't wait to get that stink off, can you?"
Posted by Danforth

"Nope..."
Posted by LastAmerican


Every now and then, the truth emerges....

"Can't wait to get that stink off, can you?"
Posted by Danforth

"Nope..."
Posted by LastAmerican

Every now and then, the truth emerges....

Posted by Danforth


You being dishonest by misquoting me, Danforth?


You said something, then Larry said something and this is what I said in response to that:

There's no screw up to take resposibility for, scummbag.

Actually the surge is going well and making progress despite Pelosi's screw ups.

Pelosi Needs a loss in Iraq so that the Democrats can win in 2008. If we win in Iraq, then Republicans get voted in. It's the sad truth.

Pelosi engineered a sure loss by putting in a time table and thus took of the responsibility for the outcome of the war, which will be a loss because of the Democrats.

Need more information?

You are so full of shit it's not even funny. You just called Me a scumbag then complain and state that I only call names. No that would be You who calls names.

Larry

Posted by LarryMohr


MOMMY!!!
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHA
HAHAHAHA!!!

"took of the responsibility for the outcome of the war, which will be a loss because of the Democrats.
Need more information?"

Yea...name one thing to date the neocon architects of these wars have wanted regarding the prosecution of these wars that the Democrats have prevented.


If you think about it, Pelosi is going behind America's back to confer with the enemy, thus putting our troops in danger.

Kind of remember something like that happening in Vietnam...

Hanoi Jane

Bagdad Pelosi?

Not exact, but sounds good.

"took of the responsibility for the outcome of the war, which will be a loss because of the Democrats.
Need more information?"

Yea...name one thing to date the neocon architects of these wars have wanted regarding the prosecution of these wars that the Democrats have prevented.

Posted by Danforth


The only thing the Democrats have done was to cause more deaths in Iraq by giving hope to the enemy. This kind of behavior has been going on for years.

LastAmericanLiar

How dare you accuse a politician of using manipulation to get votes. That's unheard of!

You Jackass.

LastAmericanLiar

How dare you accuse a politician of using manipulation to get votes. That's unheard of!


You Jackass.

Posted by BullMoose


Funny Flag

Well, at least you're able to be self-effacing. Your mother wasn't a total failure.

Well, at least you're able to be self-effacing. Your mother wasn't a total failure.

Posted by BullMoose


MoneyWar got a thesaurus.

Can't wait to see what he finds next.

"MoneyWar got a thesaurus.

Can't wait to see what he finds next. Posted by LastAmerican"

Well LLPOF, this would be my guess:

Liar - fraud, fake, imposter, pretender, hypocrite, phony, LastAmerican

"The only thing the Democrats have done was to cause more deaths in Iraq by giving hope to the enemy. This kind of behavior has been going on for years."
Posted by LastAmerican

Okay...I get it now: Bush proposed the war, he lobbied for it, he and his group planned it, they prosecuted it exactly the way they wanted since day one, chose to go in undermanned, chose to guard the oilfields but not the ammo dumps, chose to plan on flowers and chocolates and nothing else, chose to destroy the societal infrastructure along with it's civil infrastructure...

...and it's all the Democrats' fault, because of their behavior. Well, if the party in power can't govern properly because of the behavior of the party out of power, they don't deserve to be in power in the first place.

Reality check for table one!

John F Kennedy screwed up at Bay of Pigs but at least He took FULL RESPONSIBILITY for that fuck up.

Posted by LarryMohr at 2007-04-05 04:26 PM


As long as Larry is deflecting, how about Vietnam? Did JFK and LBJ take FULL RESPONSIBILITY for that fuck up?

Didn't think so.

Back on topic, given the gentle reprimands give to Nancy by Ohmert, its apparent that she needs to learn a little bit more about diplomacy before trying something like this again. Let's wait and see what comes of her visit with the Saudi's in the next news cycle.

No Deflections here RightOCenter unlike You guys on the right with Your Bullshit tripe. It is quite a typical thing of the right when They don't have a leg to stand on to declare the left is deflecting. Please do so ever try yet again RightOCenter. Better luck next time.

Larry

Oh and RightOCenter learn some History it was Ike who got us into Vietnam NOT John F Kennedy nor LBJ. So please do try yet again for You know not what You speak about.

Larry

"Did JFK and LBJ take FULL RESPONSIBILITY for that fuck up?"

Maybe roc is young and doesn't know the meaning behind the date, November 22, 1963.

Hans

Hans what do You expect from the Right. They aren't all together if You know what I mean. Hell they have the utter gall to deflect their culpability like so much lemmings. It is quite typical around here.

Larry

Larry-

Ike sent advisors, JFK sent combat troops, and LBJ escalated it geometrically. Nixon didn't do much better but did get the US out of it.

If you want to talk Vietnam history, bring it on.

Or as you looove to say, "better luck next time."

Hans-

I was alive back then, and for your information, JFK sent 400 Green Berets to advise in May 1961, then into direct combat operations in October 1961, and by the time that JFK was assasinated on 11/22/1963, had sent over 16,000 "advisors" into direct combat operations in Vietnam.

To us another Larryism, "do so try again."

In fact, Robert McNamara and the JCS had recommended to JFK before he died that the US should send 200,000 men to Vietnam as a show of force. Johnson ultimately bought off on that recommendation.

McNamara also said, in a visit to Saigon in 1962, "we are winning the war."

Sound familiar?

In fact, Robert McNamara and the JCS had recommended to JFK before he died that the US should send 200,000 men to Vietnam as a show of force. Johnson ultimately bought off on that recommendation.

McNamara also said, in a visit to Saigon in 1962, "we are winning the war."

Sound familiar?

Sorry for the double.

Hans?

Larry?

Cheese?

Dear God, last. I just read over the thread, and if you told me my lawn was green I'd have to check.

#1 liar on the retort = Lastamerican.

*crickets*

I was alive back then, and for your information, JFK sent 400 Green Berets to advise in May 1961, then into direct combat operations in October 1961, and by the time that JFK was assasinated on 11/22/1963, had sent over 16,000 "advisors" into direct combat operations in Vietnam.

To us another Larryism, "do so try again."

Posted by Rightocenter


I was alive then as well. Dwight Eisenhower sent the first 'advisors' to Vietnam in 1954 - and was also the creator of the 'Domino Theory' - whereas we fight communists over there so we don't have to fight them here to prevent the spread of communism. Sound familiar, the 'fight them over there....' part?

Larry and Hans-

Continuing with the history lesson, LBJ brought troop levels from 16,000 to 23,000 in 1964, from 23,000 to 184,000 in 1965, up to 389,000 in 1966, 463,000 in 1967 and finally 495,000 by the end of 1968. All the while, LBJ and his advisors micromanaged the war.

RightOCenter why waste time with You when You can not even accept the truth? Ike was the one responsible for Vietnam but You don't want to admit to that startling fact so why waste time with You?? You capisce dude

Larry

No RightOCenter it is You who needs the History Lesson for it was Ike who got us involved in Vietnam NOT JFK nor LBJ but that is over Your head isn't it??

Larry

ALlAmerican wasn't the first soldier to be killed in vietnam was around 1955??

Larry

AA-

Actually, Truman started the US involvement by agreeing in 1945 that the French could resume its colonial authority over Vietnam, and sent troops over to advise the French as early as 1950. In 1954, after Eisenhower took office, aid increased to the point that the US was paying 80% of the financial cost of the war for the French.

Moreover, what you are talking about isn't the Domino Theory, which is the school of thought that if we let one country fall to communism, then the rest will fall like "Dominos". What you are describing is Containment, which was a strategy championed by George Kennan.

Surprisingly, Containment worked, but not as fast as Kennan envisioned.

Larry, educate yourself:

The United States and Vietnam

or

The History Place-Vietnam War

Since Hans likes dates so much, maybe you both should check out July 26, 1950.

No RightOCenter it is You who needs the History Lesson for it was Ike who got us involved in Vietnam NOT JFK nor LBJ but that is over Your head isn't it??

Larry

Posted by LarryMohr at 2007-04-05 08:47 PM


Not so much.

I don't expect you to admit that I'm right so please don't feel obligated to.

AA-

By the way, Kennan was an advisor to Truman, and created his Strategies of Containment in 1949.

"To us another Larryism, "do so try again."

Okay:

Since you seem to understand that JFK was assassinated on November 22, 1963, how was he supposed to "take FULL RESPONSIBILITY for that fuck up"?

Or are you saying that JFK was:

1. Supposed to see into the future and see that Vietnam was going to be, as you put it, a "fuck up"; and,

2. He should have said, before November 22, 1963, that Vietnam was going to be, as you put it, a "fuck up," and taken "FULL RESPONSIBILITY" before he was assassinated.

Is that what you're saying, roc?

Hans

Gotta go, I will be amused at the replies (if any) when I check back in the morning.

You all would be so much more entertaining in a chat room. Is there a dr IRC channel out there? The stuff with LastAmerican has me in stitches! A "man" with an Iranian sugar momma and Schrodinger's Marine - solid gold! Too bad its goddamned impossible to keep up with these discussions (maybe if I quit my job...)

RIGHTOFCENTER

EVERYONE knows what the 'Domino Theory' was. One country falls, the rest do...like dominos. Of course. However, the national security premise of that doctrine WAS fighting Communists over there so we don't have to fight them here one day...

The best complete history of Vietnam is 'The Best and The Brightest', which won David Halberstam a Pulitzer Prize. It thoroughly chronicles our involvement in Vietnam. You'd be surprised to see that Kennedy felt he had been duped and was about to withdraw all but the original 'advisors' when he was assassinated.

Seems Kennedy had ordered that a planeload of 'the best and the brightest' experts in in many areas of expertise be assembled to go to Vietnam and return with an accurate assessment of our chances there should he commit resources

All these unbiased experts (military and civilian) were replaced days before the trip by hawks without Kennedy's knowledge. These hawks returned with rosy scenarios. Upon their return, a summary report was written for Kennedy stating Vietnam would not be a guerilla war (which those initially chosen to go on the fact finding mission to Vietnam suspected it would be), and that we'd likely be victorious in a short amount of time. (Where have we heard that one in the last 5 years?)

Check it out RIGHTOCENTER. "The Best and The Brightest". David Halberstam. You'll learn everything there is to know about our involvement in Vietnam - another disaster. Unfortunately, I was there once upon a time myself....for two tours....early on. Which is why I'm not a fan of unneccessary wars like Iraq, or Bush for his arrogant and inept prosecution of it. We lost Iraq a week after the bombs quit falling by failing to establish security for all of Iraq - which would have taken 500-600,000 troops to do.

But, as I've said before, Gen. Eric Shinseki was forced out. A man who'd stitched together a winning result in the Balkans without huge loss of life, a civile war ended, war criminals behind bars, and with a populous back as work.

Shinseki,

The man fired for testifying as Army Chief of Staff before Congress and telling the truth when asked the number of personnel neccessary in his view to win in Iraq before we ever went.

You righties wonder why we think Bush is a moron?

Firing people who know what they're doing for telling the truth when you're putting American lives and reputation on the line is as UnAmerican as it gets.

For You AllAmerican

www.opednews.com

Larry

Larry,

Thanks for the link. How true.

Just today I heard a Pakistani expatriot talking about how Bush supports an autocratic dictator in Pakistan while squashing democratic elections (we'd rather deal with a dictator), and how while the Pakistani Govt. has been initiating raids on Al Qaeda - timed for U.S. benefit - yet leaves The Taliban untouched.

As most of us know, the Taliban is the biggest threat to Afghanistan, the 'democracy' we left in the lurch.

Among the other Autocratic Governments we support are:

Saudi Arabia
Bahrain
Kuwait
UAE
Brunei
Jordan
Egypt ('democratic' yet autocratic)
and others....

Yet, we turned our backs on the democratically elected governments, Lebanon and Palestine.

Bush's foreign policy in the ME is topsy turvy to say it kindly.

Schrodinger's Marine

ROFLMAO! Funny flag for that one, BRS.

Wait Boyd, begs the question. Are you being dishonest or are you stupid?

The bill is full of pork. Could sign that, but there is the thing about the time table. War-time President can't sign that.

Is that the answer you are looking for?

Now, can you answer my question? (Dishonest or Stupid)

Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-04-04 10:42 PM


Neither. The only way to get Republicans to pay attention to anything is to throw something into the trough and call them in!

Just to return to the actual topic of this thread I thought I'd mention what the Republican members of Pelosi's delegation had to say about her conversations with Assad...

They reported last night that she said nothing to Assad that did not mirror the administration's positions. She emphasized the demands and expectations Bush has articulated on Syrian involvement in backing terrorism in the ME, and interference in Lebanese internal politics. She indicated in no uncertain terms that this was the position of the United States.

Wow, what a loose cannon!

""McNamara also said, in a visit to Saigon in 1962, "we are winning the war."

More recently Mr. McNamara has said that he now believes the actions he and others took during the Vietnam WAr amounted to war crimes. He no longer espouses the old nonsensical reasons for our involvement in that war. Too bad 58,000 American soldiers and literally millions of Vietnamese had to die before the politicians realized that wars don't change people's minds about Communism or anything else.

Really??? And YES, she is a lose cannon. C'mon, San Antone, you know better than that.

"Americans should understand how extraordinary this is. There have been previous battles over U.S. foreign policy and fierce domestic criticism. In the 1990s, these columns defended Bill Clinton against "the Republican drift toward isolationism and political opportunism" amid the Kosovo conflict. But rarely in U.S. history have Congressional leaders sought to conduct their own independent diplomacy, with the Speaker acting as a Prime Minister traveling with a Secretary of State in the person of Mr. Lantos.
Yes, Congressional Republicans have visited Syria too. But Ms. Pelosi isn't some minority back-bencher. Without a Democrat in the White House, she and Mr. Reid are the national leaders of their party. Even Newt Gingrich, for all his grand domestic ambitions in 1995, took a muted stand on foreign policy, realizing that in the American system the executive has the bulk of national security power. He also understood he would do the country no favors by sending a mixed message to our enemies--at the time, Slobodan Milosevic.

What was Ms. Pelosi hoping to accomplish, other than embarrassing President Bush? "We were very pleased with reassurances we received from the president that he was ready to resume the peace process," she told reporters after meeting with dictator Bashar Assad. "We expressed our interest in using our good offices in promoting peace between Israel and Syria."

I guess she was right in line with Israeli foreign policy too...right? What are they smokin' these days down in San Antone? You can't REALLY believe that her actions were in the best interests of the U.S.

"She purported to convey a message from Israel's Ehud Olmert expressing similar interest in "the peace process," except that the Israeli Prime Minister felt obliged to issue a clarification noting that Ms. Pelosi had got the message wrong. Israel hadn't changed its policy, which is that it will negotiate only when Mr. Assad repudiates his support for terrorism and stops trying to dominate Lebanon. As a shuttle diplomat, Ms. Pelosi needs some practice.

Mr. Lantos probably got closer to their real intentions when he told reporters that "this is only the beginning of our constructive dialogue with Syria, and we hope to build on it." The Pelosi cavalcade is intended to show that if only the Bush Administration would engage in "constructive dialogue," the Syrians, Israelis and everyone else could all get along.

This is the same Syrian regime that has facilitated the movement of money and insurgents to kill Americans in Iraq; that has been implicated by a U.N. probe in the murder of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri; and that has snubbed any number of U.S. overtures since the fall of Saddam Hussein in 2003. Perhaps if he works hard enough, Mr. Lantos can match the 22 visits to Damascus that Bill Clinton's Secretary of State Warren Christopher made in the 1990s trying to squeeze peace from that same stone."

Personally, I think this is all very good. Matter of fact, when a Dem wins the presidency again, I'm looking forward to traveling around the world (Cuba, North Vietnam) and make overtures of peace and discuss matters on which their governments and I are in agreement. You know, like making money.

Also, with Pelosi out of town doing her Dancing-With-The-Islamist-
Stars routine, there's nothing getting done at home. So as long as the blowhard Dem senators and reps are convening hearings about this or that, and the Dem leadership--if you'll excuse the term--meeting with foreign governments hostile to the United States, Americans are safe from Democratic lawmakers.


"The editorial rests on two claims, both of which are baseless.

1) Pelosi passed an incorrect message from Israel to Syria. Pelosi said yesterday that she gave Syrian officials the message that Israel is "ready to engage in peace talks." The Post falsely claims, "The Israeli prime minister entrusted Ms. Pelosi with no such message," misinterpreting a statement from the Israeli Prime Minister's office that simply reiterated its position that talks with Syria will not take place until Syria has taken steps to end its support for extremist elements. There is no evidence that Pelosi failed to communicate this message. In fact, Pelosi's delegation specifically pressed the Syrian president "over Syria's support for militant groups and insist[ed] that his government block militants seeking to cross into Iraq and join insurgents there."

www.drudge.com

I wonder if the Honorable Ms. Pelosi asked Assad for details about the assassination of Gemaliel? Or if there wasn't time for any of that after the Bush- and Jew-bashing party, and the attendant photo ops?

"Castro Avows: Revolution is Forever!";
"Bell-Bottom Pants Again The 'New' Rage";
"Democrat Party Leader Meets With Anti-American Islamists, Offers Surrender Terms". If I ran the New York Times, I could fire my editorial staff, and just reprint issues from 1979.

"If I ran the New York Times, I could fire my editorial staff, and just reprint issues from 1979."

Posted by rightisright at 2007-04-06 11:14 AM


Who would have thought we would live to see it?

A rightwingnut comparing Bush43 to Carter.

Hans

Setting politics aside, doesn't Pelosi often appear ill at ease in press videos...regardless of the milieu? She looks distracted or unprepared for the exposure; no stately bearing for one third in line of succession to the Presidency.

It is all about "looks" after all. That's how we got Bush.

"Gotta go, I will be amused at the replies (if any) when I check back in the morning."

Posted by Rightocenter at 2007-04-05 09:09 PM


Either roc isn't amused, or it isn't past "morning" where he lives, or he just didn't specify the specific "morning" on which he would return.

Hans

"Or if there wasn't time for any of that after the Bush- and Jew-bashing party"

Gee RiR, the Republicans who were with Pelosi in Damascus had a different view of what went on. They stated that Pelosi specifically reiterated the administrations position on Syria's support of terrorists and interference in Lebanon. She emphasized key issues of difference as have been articulated by the administration and pushed Syria to address those issues in a constructive manner.

Is it your contention that these Republican Congressmen were lying and covering up for Bush and Jew bashing?

Illegal Diplomacy
Did Nancy Pelosi commit a felony when she went to Syria?

BY ROBERT F. TURNER
Friday, April 6, 2007 11:30 a.m. EDT

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi may well have committed a felony in traveling to Damascus this week, against the wishes of the president, to communicate on foreign-policy issues with Syrian President Bashar Assad. The administration isn't going to want to touch this political hot potato, nor should it become a partisan issue. Maybe special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, whose aggressive prosecution of Lewis Libby establishes his independence from White House influence, should be called back.

The Logan Act makes it a felony and provides for a prison sentence of up to three years for any American, "without authority of the United States," to communicate with a foreign government in an effort to influence that government's behavior on any "disputes or controversies with the United States." Some background on this statute helps to understand why Ms. Pelosi may be in serious trouble.

President John Adams requested the statute after a Pennsylvania pacifist named George Logan traveled to France in 1798 to assure the French government that the American people favored peace in the undeclared "Quasi War" being fought on the high seas between the two countries. In proposing the law, Rep. Roger Griswold of Connecticut explained that the object was, as recorded in the Annals of Congress, "to punish a crime which goes to the destruction of the executive power of the government.

500+ posts huh? WoW, you conservative morons sure have your tighties hiked up your cracks on this one.

This is good government entertainment. A monkey of a president botches post 911 goodwill, and some liberal WOMAN comes in and shows him up by pulling US foreign policy strategy out from under his feet.

Awesome, totally Awesome!

Im so glad that the citizens of this country took congress away from the Repugs!

Every angle of every argument is fading from the rear view mirror of conservative conscience.

A good day for the country, a good day for liberty!

Thank you Nancy for Slapping Bush in the Face for me...

YOU GO GIRL!

Burns the rightytighty butts being outmaneuvered by the weakling Democrats!

You think she did something illegal?

ha! ha! ha! how does some of your own medicine taste?

A little bittersweet?...awwwwwww!

If you think she broke this LOGAN law then ARREST her and prove it!

in the language of the NEOCONS...

BRING IT ON!

Let the Checks and Balances Begin!(tm)

The Logan Act was intended to forbid private citizens that have nothing to do with the United States government (that's you and me) from doing was Pelosi did. Despite the obvious fact that foreign policy is a function of the executive, and not the legislative, branch, I think it is problematic whether this law actually forbids elected legislators from grandstanding in foreign countries.

I think there is a law that states if you spit in public you can go to jail too, but they haven't enforced that one in over 200 years.

The DESPERATION of the conservative movement is growing more amusing by the day, pulling the Logan Act out there asses, come on now raise your hand if you ever heard of this law before last week.

ROFL Whoooo!

Hans-

I'm in LA and just returned from court. Nothing really substantive, other than to note that even a cursory reading of my post to Larry would show that I was parroting his exact words to make my point.

Why don't you try this one on for size:

Should the Democrat Party accept FULL RESPONSIBILITY for the escaltion of the Vietnam War?

AA-

I have "Best and Brightest" on my shelf, but I think that it needs to be read in conjunction with McNamara's two books on Vietnam: "In retrospect: the tragedy and lessons of Vietnam" and "Argument without end: in search of answers to the Vietnam tragedy". In both those books McNamara directly contradicts Halberstam's premise that JFK had felt that he had been "duped" calling it "politically convenient fiction." Check them out, they are the consummate insiders recount of the Vietnam war.

Danni-

Close, but no cigar. The oft quoted passage that you are referring to comes from "In retrospect":

"We of the Kennedy and Johnson administrations who participated in the decisions on Vietnam acted according to what we thought were the principles and traditions of this nation. We made our decisions in light of those values. Yet we were wrong, terribly wrong. We owe it to future generations to explain why. I truly believe that we made an error not of values and intentions, but of judgment and capabilities."

"Should the Democrat Party accept ..."

There is no such thing.

Hans

Here's what Speaker Pelosi had to say about her meeting with Assad...

"Our message was President Bush's message," Pelosi said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press from Portugal, where she stopped briefly en route back to the United States.

"The funny thing is, I think we may have even had a more powerful impact with our message because of the attention that was called to our trip," she said. "It became clear to President Assad that even though we have our differences in the United States, there is no division between the president and the Congress and the Democrats on the message we wanted him to receive."

Sounds real treasonous to me. Of course, its not just her word on this. The Republican members of the delegation said exactly the same thing.

ROC,

Thanks for that last quote; it's an eye-opener.

I remember doing a lot of research on Vietnam years back, reading about a dozen books or so, and I came up with two theories: 1) Nixon was playing to tie, not to win, i.e., he wasn't employing wartime tactics designed to defeat the other side, he was trying to bomb them to the Paris Peace Talks, and 2) The eventual plan Nixon and Kissinger accepted to end it was virtually the same terms they could've gotten four years prior.

What'd'ya think?

President Bush Offers Frank Ruminations On House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's Reckless Peacemongering in Syria.
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you.Please have a seat.I'm going to break with the norm here, and talk totally unplugged for a minute. Would somebody please tell me what the fuck that self-important, hippie dyke Nancy Pelosi is fucking doing visiting Syria-a country so uppity,it thinks it can control it's own destiny without my express say-so? Seriously, what the fuck shimmied up her mummified twat and planted eggs? That fucking patchouli oil-douching, ravioli-eating bitch got more wrinkles than Pat Leahy's leathery old nutsack!
Sheesh almighty! I let that cunt strut her pant suit all around town after she won the House, and acted all super-duper nice. Stupid fucking me thought she was honestly serious about bipartisanship, since liberals is predictable motherfuckers that way. I had no idea she was gonna start playing by the rules us Republicans wrote!
Somebody oughtta tell that gash that just because you're elected doesn't mean you get to swing your dick around- or malformed,elephant ear-sized labia lips for that matter. As if bitch got a mandate to change course on everything from overseeing a perfectly harmless Middle East civil war to running up the national debt like a sorority skank's spring break spree on Daddy's AmEx. Think about it- why do they call it a "mandate"? Because MEN are in charge- and by the grace of the Robber Baron-McJesus-Confederacy, Nancy Pelosi ain't eligible to join our sausage hang!
What does she think she is doing? I'm ignoring Syria for a reason! And that reason is because if Ido, them ragheads might actually do something stupid on the Iraqi border, or start letting Iran sneak into Lebanon so they can piss all over Jewistan. Then I got a juicy reason to fuck Iran's grill up good.
Just because a somber panel of crusty elder statesmen concluded that engaging Syria diplomatically is essential to American foreign policy don't make it right. Didn't that San Fagcisco bitch watch the 110% historically accurate, family-friendly docudrama 300? Do you think those totally ripped, greasy he-men from Sparta would play patty-cake with them super tall, freak show drag quenn Persians? Hell no! Every American should go out see that movie 300- it sure does validate patrio-bloodbaths in awesome, orgasmic, man-on-man heavy metal style.
Pelosi thinks she's so special.Special my ass: I got a pet negress secretary that shuttles from secure, bomb-proof conference room in the U.S. to secure, bomb-proof conference room in Tel Aviv all the time. Don't that score me some fucking political correctness points? Shit. Fucking lezbo whore thinks she's the fucking living reincarnation of fucking Ghandi. What's she gonna do anyway? Offer a basket full of the fruits of California - namely,ipods, botox shots, and herpes? I fucking hate that withered old E.T.-looking kooz!!
We should pay the Syrians to blow her out of the sky. That would be a win-win situation.
whiehouse.org

That should be www.whitehouse.org

What'd'ya think?

Posted by Danforth at 2007-04-06 03:51 PM

reminds me alot of the offer the Iranians made in 2003 and was ignored by this Administration.

www.preemptivekarma.com

Why would one chose to negotiate from a position of weakness as opposed to a positon of strength as this Administration has done?

"Well, this is back in May 2003. The United States had just defeated Saddam in less than three weeks, and I think there were a lot of feelings inside Iran that they needed to present some sort of a negotiation deal with the United States. But what they presented was quite similar to many things that they had communicated verbally to the United States over the last couple of years. Basically, they said the United States has a couple of aims, Iran has a couple of aims, and there is a process to be able to proceed with the negotiations."

President Bush Offers Frank Ruminations On House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's Reckless Peacemongering in Syria.

Peacemongering is Liberal for F#cken up

Nice try, but a little desperate to cover Nancy's butt.

Thank you Nancy "Rodney King" Pelosi

"C-can we all just getalong"

"Peacemongering is Liberal for F#cken up"

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. - Jesus, preaching the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:9)
Hans

Danforth-

I think that Nixon had no option but to play to tie, since by the time that he inherited Vietnam, the public was so against the war that he could never "win." Since he was facing pressure from the media and the polls to get out (and unlike Bush was facing re-election) he had to try to keep the pressure on the NV while reducing troop levels. Hence, the air campaign of 1970-72.

Nixon, upon entering office, immediately began to bring troops home, and in 1969 reduced the number of troops in Vietnam by 115,000 to 380K, brought home an additional 100,000 in 1970, 132,000 more in 1971 and by April 1972 there were only 69,000 troops in Vietnam. Total reductions by Nixon in his first term, 426,000 troops.

On a much reduced scale, this is what our next president faces, and hopefully the outcome will be better than the infamous "Peace with honor" that was reached in January 1973.

"Should the Democrat Party accept ..."

There is no such thing.

Hans

Posted by Hans at 2007-04-06 03:33 PM


Interesting statement, care to elaborate?

Larry-

Larry?

Hellloooo?

Must be still reading about what really happened in Vietnam.

"Peacemongering is Liberal for F#cken up"

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. - Jesus, preaching the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:9)
Hans
Posted by Hans



What does this have to do with Pelosi?

Nice try, Hans, but naive.

"Should the Democrat Party accept ..."

There is no such thing.

Hans

Posted by Hans at 2007-04-06 03:33 PM

Interesting statement, care to elaborate?


Try google. Seriously. Use "Democrat Party" and see what you get.

Must be still reading about what really happened in Vietnam.

Posted by rightocenter



Are you talking about the Hanoi Jane reference to Nancy Pelosi?

Yav-

Pretty obvious that Hans was trying to get pithy on a typo, hence my attempt to call him on it.

Thanks for playing, and if you want to try to answer the substance of my question, be my guest.

With 500+ posts I thought there might me some actual discussion on this thread, but since it is apparently Hans attemting to stone Lastamerican to death with crazy bible quotes let me say congratulations LastAmerican. You appear to be fighting everyone on this site, keep it up as without you this site would be empty. You better hope Pelosi does not read this, she may come to your house to negotiate.

You better hope Pelosi does not read this, she may come to your house to negotiate.

She won't have to wear a scarf if she does.

FLASHBACK: Gingrich Thrust Himself Into Mideast Questions As Speaker, Bashed White House Policy

electioncentral.tpmcafe.com

Oh, and here are some nice photos of Laura Bush, Condi Rice, et al, in the Mideast:

www.mahablog.com

Help me out here Boyd.

How many Americans and innocent Iraqis die because Gingrich went over to right a wrong?

How many people died since the Speaker-in-Chief start with her agenda and took responsibility for the outcome of the war?

Huge difference.

Nice try at deflecting, though.

"Try google. Seriously. Use "Democrat Party" and see what you get."

Let's look at some (referenced and verified) facts:

What happens when we search the
American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language?

First, let's search for the word "democrat":

democrat

NOUN:

1. An advocate of democracy.
2. Democrat A member of the Democratic Party.
It does identify the word "democrat" as a noun, not as an adjective. And no "democrat party" listed. But it does indicate that a Democrat (n) is a member of the Democratic Party.

Now, let's search for the term "democrat party":
Your search: democrat party
Showing:1 - 2 of 2 results

Democratic Party n.
Democratic-Republican Party n.
So, according to the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, there is no such thing as the "democrat party."

And what about other sources?

Oh, and here are some nice photos of Laura Bush, Condi Rice, et al, in the Mideast:

www.mahablog.com


Posted by Boyd



Is this supposed to make a point somewhere?

you are running out of gas........... PFFFFFFT.

FLASHBACK: Gingrich Thrust Himself Into Mideast Questions As Speaker, Bashed White House Policy

electioncentral.tpmcafe.com

you are running out of gas........... PFFFFFFT.

Posted by LastAmerican

# of bushbots to change a light bulb?


None.

There is nothing wrong with it.
Its condition is improving every day.
Any reports of its lack of incandescence are a delusional spin from the liberal media.
It has served honorably; anything you say undermines the lighting effect.

Why do you hate freedom?

How many people died since the Speaker-in-Chief start with her agenda and took responsibility for the outcome of the war?


Um...none. Cos, you know, El Arbusto is the Kumkuat in Chief.

Soooo...NO difference, Pickles, but nice try.

"Is this supposed to make a point somewhere?

you are running out of gas........... PFFFFFFT."

LOL!!! Wow, fucking, wow.

OMG Bill! Wanton use of the LOLWFW?!

Give us some warning next time so we can duck and cover!

Last is either an idiot, or is such a blind follower that he simply can't even see information that might conflict with his bushbot worldview.

Wow, fucking, wow.

"Last is either an idiot, or is such a blind follower that he simply can't even see information that might conflict with his bushbot worldview."

Is it permissible to answer "yes" to an either/or proposition?

Hans

Is it permissible to answer "yes" to an either/or proposition?

Hans


no its not!!!! you guys are so mean to lastamarican!

he gives you the truth and you just spit in his face!!! i cant believe how mean you guys are! he's a real patriot and you make fun of him and call him a liaer and tell him he diesnt have a son! how do you think that makes him feel?

you guys are just so afraid of the truth that you have to attack anyone who dont agree with you. thats juyst stupidness!

liberals are just mean!

give em hell, lastamerican!

no its not!!!! you guys are so mean to lastamarican!


Posted by LLPOFLOLWFW

I'm not!

I just wish he would be honest about how much he gets paid to post somewhere in the internet everyday...like his co-worker SlickerWillie:>)

freedom4um.com



liberals are just mean!

Yeah!

You bitches here on the DR better quit beatin' on Last Anachronism.

He's been known to hold his breath, you know!


assuming LA isn't LLPO reincarnated again:>)LOL

Appears that Pelosi's trip may be showing some benefits. At least one of the Israeli captured before the Lebanon/Israeli war may be released. Pelosi made a specific request that Assad speak to Hammas and Hizbollah to procure the release of all 3. At least now there's a glimmer of hope.

Keep your fingers crossed for those captives and their families.

How many democrats does it take to change a lightbulb? Over 55 million have tried and Bush is still the decider.

"Over 55 million have tried and Bush is still the decider."

And Nancy Pelosi is the Speaker of the House and Harry Reid is the Majority Leader in the Senate.

Because?

US Senate: Majority Democratic
US House: Majority Democratic (including TX-22: Democratic)
Governorships: Majority Democratic
State Legislatures: Majority Democratic

... and ...

The GOP failed to pickup a single House or Senate seat formerly held by a Democrat - the first time a major party has failed in such a spectacular manner since 1980.

... and ...

Two-thirds of the districts that flipped to the Democratic side of the ledger were carried by Bush on the presidential ballot just two years earlier.
Hans

How many Bushbots does it take to change a lightbulb?

None. They prefer being in the dark.

Spud sez "Shine some light on them boys and then watch 'em scatter like cockroaches!"

Be Well.

How many Rethugs to take to elect a dim bulb? Only the ones on the Supreme Court.

Spud,

Mail and stuff.

It's gonna be a long night.

I'm very bored.

Funny Taters!

Happy Ishtar, O' short, tan, and fried one.

I'd kill for a french fry right about now.

Okay maybe not kill, but I'd maim for one, really I would.

potatoes are alkaline, too ~ Trees:>)


Detailed Listing of Acid / Alkaline Forming Foods

www.rense.com

Bani

I don't want to know if it's alkaline, I just want to know that it's seasoned right and ready for my mouth. ;p

Well, your tater postings reminded me that I had left the yam in the oven ~ whoops:>)

Trees I could go for an extra rare Rib eye or a T Bone steak right about now. Side order of mashed taters cream gravy and corn. That would REALLY hit the spot now.

Larry

Larry,

You evil evil man!! I was seriously craving Prime Rib!! With garlic mashed taters...

*Looks at her pathetic can of tomato soup*

*Cries a little*

if you add onions...the perfectly balance ~ ph-wise ~ meal, too, Larry for most westerns:>)

Sorry Trees. I didn't know THAT was what You wanted. You can flog Me as punishment for making You Hungry.

Larry

Onions and My Stomache don't agree. I don't know what it is but Boy it's like someone set a bonfire in My stomache. Woooooooooooweeeeeeeeee BillyJoeBob it HURTS.

Larry

Hans, do all of your little facts keep you warm at night? You make it seem like democrats have enough power to impeach Bush? Why don't they? For the same reason that Bill Clinton is hanging out with daddy Bush. As it has been proven over and over again most democrats have no loyalty to anyone and they really do not believe in anything substantial. Right and wrong are situational, and even war is an opportunity to be exploited for political gain. Which is exactly what Pelosi just did.

You can flog Me as punishment for making You Hungry.


Oh the temptation...

Onions and My Stomache don't agree.


Onions give me hives...seriously.

Oh I have to add Onions to My Potato SOups but I am always up most of the night fighting the flames in My Gut. I don't know what it is. Even those Yellow Sweet Onions are bad. But the big Problem is I LOVE Onion taste I dunno I guess I will have to invent a nonflamable Onion.

Larry

Ever thought about Onion powder?

It was Woodrow Wilson who passed the Federal Reserve Act...formerly known as the Republican (Aldrich) bill, but then Wilson was conned/blackmailed into passing many things it now appears:>)


"In 1912 the National Monetary Association, under the chairmanship of the late Senator Nelson W. Aldrich, made a report and presented a vicious bill called the National Reserve Association bill. This bill is usually spoken of as the Aldrich bill."

www.federal-reserve.net

"We were opposed to the Aldrich plan for a central bank. The men who rule the Democratic Party then promised the people that if they were returned to power there would be no central bank established here while they held the reigns of government. Thirteen months later that promise was broken, and the Wilson administration, under the tutelage of those sinister Wall Street figures who stood behind Colonel House, established here in our free Country the worm-eaten monarchical institution of the "King's Bank" to control us from the top downward, and from the cradle to the grave."



And last from Woodrow Wilson late in his life...

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -Woodrow Wilson


www.themoneymasters.com

The above is in response to Democrats post:

You make it seem like democrats have enough power to impeach Bush? Why don't they? For the same reason that Bill Clinton is hanging out with daddy Bush. As it has been proven over and over again most democrats have no loyalty to anyone and they really do not believe in anything substantial. Right and wrong are situational, and even war is an opportunity to be exploited for political gain. Which is exactly what Pelosi just did.

Posted by demoncrat

No haven't even thought about that. That might work I will have to get some tomorrow. Good idear Trees.

Larry

what is sad is due to our substandard educational system most dont even know what the federal reserve system is how it operates or who controls it,,,,,

Glad to be of service. :)


Trees

allpoetry.com

www.transfairusa.org

I have seen that, it is very interesting but a little tooo looong. Have you seen the sequel, it is shorter but as interesting www.youtube.com
BTW I am not a repub, just trying to bait someone to try to push the thread past 1,000 posts. I may be OCD.

Corky,

Hee on the poem. :)

Thanks for the Linkage! I now know where to go to get my coffee...a little bummed that Whole Foods isn't listed as a FTC supplier though...

Latest on the Pelosi f#ckup. They are thinking of charging her with a crime! Honestly? I did not see that coming.

I just heard it on a Denver radio station, so it is hearsay (maybe not even that)

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