This is awesome!

Democrats do have a choice and they are doing incredibly well at fundraising.

I knew Obama would do well, but this is way better than I expected.

That sound you just heard was one of Hillary's chins hitting the floor....

Obama 2008!!

Funny yet sorta cruel but not entirely inaccurate Flag for Tony!

You are a bad man, TR. ;^D

LOL Tony, that was good!

OK, I'll admit to being somewhat intrigued by Obama up to now. So this morning I went to his website and read it thoroughly and really like what he has said and done on major issues. Could he be the real deal and bring in a new era in this country?

I don't know. I also confess I bought into the Clinton aura back in '92 and thought we had a hero in new generation that would be different. Those on the right who accuse us of giving Clinton a pass on his behavior don't understand that we are actually the most betrayed by what happened.

Anyhoo, I'm sort of allowing myself to get a little excited about Obama's potential. Ready, set, slam!

I've liked Obama from the beginning. I like the way he speaks, I like his humility and I definitely, and most importantly, like his stance on the issues that are important to me as a Voter.

SanAntonioRogue, I believe Obama is the real thing. I volunteered on the website and will be working my tail end off here in Austin to help the campaign.

I am still just tickled that he did so well with the fundraising.

Trees,

Obama is in my opinion the most articulate of all the candidates. He appears to have a very measured and composed approach in contrast to the temper tantrum we were treated to yesterday by Git-R-Done Larry the President.

He does not hide and lie about his past and sees things for the way things are.

When you compare him with the other candidates on both the left and right I see him as being the front runner.

Trees, I hope you're right! What a breath of fresh air that the country so desperately needs. I'm definitely willing to stipulate to no more Bushes and no more Clintons.

Of course, the better he does, the more the Repubs will try to savage him. And yes, even some Dems out to preserve the status quo in the party.

If anyone cares, go into my archives since I posted numerous threads about Obama and what others were saying about him months ago, including the level of white, suburbanite interest in his views and his then potential candidacy.

I have always viewed him as the "generational shift" candidate, in much the same way that JFK was in 1960. His strongest attribute may be the fact that the professional monied interests don't have their hooks entirely in his hide like they do with most other candidates.

Having said that, I'd also like to put my two cents in regarding all the emphasis put upon this cash raising game as though its representative of the popularity of the candidates. It isn't, necessarily. Nor should any rational voter buy into the false conclusions being foisted by the media that less than 100,000 people in Iowa and New Hampshire will determine who the party's nominees will likely be. They won't unless we people buy the false choices being sold to us by the media. Iowa and New Hampshire are two little states, and who their primary voters choose should have no bearing upon other states and their own voters picking later.

I refuse to drink this mindwashing kool-aide being touted by our MSM. Money nor the voters of two states should decide which candidates are judged the most worthy of high office by the other voters of this nation. Don't believe the hype, or you end up with John Kerry or Bob Dole running instead of stronger more relevant candidates.

Jimmy and SAR,

Oh the better he does, the more press he gets he'll definitely be a target.

We've already seen it with the Madrassa horseshit. And the scary part is, that I've had to explain to a dozen different people in my RL that he didn't go to a Madrassa.

It's incredible the kind of crap people will buy into.

That is why I feel that it is so important, no matter who you support, to actively get out and talk about what you believe in.

Obama, as a candidate and as a Senator, does just that.

I posted numerous threads about Obama

Tony I have done the same but they never seem to make it to the front page. I am starting to the Rogers is a Hillary supporter.

sorry "starting to think that Rogers is a Hillary supporter."

Remember "In a tolerant America your name is no barrier to success."

Of course there are the ignorant here who believe otherwise.

Tony,

I agree 100% with what you have said (this is becoming a habit I know). I have more faith in the opinons posted here than I do in the MSM. Probably because you guys are way better with the fact checking.

Again this pulls me back to the point of getting out there and supporting your candidate. Word of mouth can do a lot. It's about time the people took a more active role in the dissemination of information.

Get out on the street, get on the phone, do what ever you have to do to get your voice heard and most importantly get out and vote!

"That is why I feel that it is so important, no matter who you support, to actively get out and talk about what you believe in."

So true, and God Bless you for the unenviable task of trying to make a difference in Texas! I can tell you it felt like a huge burden was lifted when I crossed the border on my way out.

Did you know that "W" stickers on cars are pretty much a Texas phenomenon? When you're there they seem universal, but I can count on 2 hands the number of them I've seen up here in the last year.

Anyway, I digress. Here's to $25 mil with a lot more to come.

My one big fear about Obama's campaign is that he starts sounding more and more like the garden variety politicians and loses the personality many are drawn to in the first place.

Memo to the Obama Campaign:

Your candidate doesn't need to "look Presidential" in the traditional sense. Let him be himself, this is his strength and defines the difference between him and particularly Hillary. She is so obsessed with showing this "backbone of iron" in a Thatcher sort of way that it usually comes off very unnatural. Barak's cool demeanor is a tremendous asset when compared to the disjointed bleatings of W and most other candidates.

Don't let conventional wisdom water down the very personality America grew to love from his keynote address in 2004, and his candidacy announcement of recent weeks ago. Keep it real, and keep him real. If we wanted Hollywood, Fred Thompson would be the frontrunner.

All I want to hear on the radio, or not hear, is a clip of what Clinton had to say after something the President says.

I listen to the news on the radio each day and there is constantly the quip of Clinton (Hillary). Free publicity.

I hope the media gives equal standing or stops broadcasting her chops.

If Obama wants to destroy Hillary he should start pounding on NAFTA and continue pounding on the Iraq War.

Nice work for a crack dealer.

The Right

Islamofacist crack dealer vs Godzillary the Dyke.

The real question is who would do better in a general election, Hil or Obama?

Hillary is definitely a polarizing figure. She might bring out Dem's in droves to vote for her, but also mobilize Repubs in equal droves to vote against her. That's the big gamble with her.

My thought as of now is that Obama might be able to put together a little wider coalition, forcing the Repubs to nominate a candidate farther right in order to hang on to their base.

SA

Could be. I worry about Obama in the general election because of his limited name recognition and experience.

Truth be known, there is not a nickel's worth of difference in policy goals, respectively, between any of the Democratic or any of the Republican candidates.

So, as usual, we get the non-policy wonk general election voters, some of whom still have never heard of Obama, and some of whom are very polarized by Hillary, voting on whom they would rather have a beer with.

Which is how we got the current Douche in Chief.

Hmm, Hillary pulls in $26 million and makes it to the front page.

Barack pulls in $25 million but is relegated to the back page.

Bias?

I'm definitely not feeling the Drudge love for my boy Obama!

I'm definitely not feeling the Drudge love for my boy Obama!

Trees, If Obama was white would you call him a "boy"?

"Trees, If Obama was white would you call him a "boy"?

Don't be ridiculous.

Don't be ridiculous.

So then why did Trees call Obama a "boy"?

Bowa,

I am going to ignore the fact that you are indicating I am a racist.

In fact, since you've hit this low with me, I'm ignoring you all together from this point forward.

As Bill said, don't be rediculous.

"So then why did Trees call Obama a "boy"?

Don't get out much, do you? People use that phrase all the time, like as in, "my boy Bush". Or my "homeboy" Bush. Sheesh.

Here's another definition from your urbandictionary like, boy.

Noun:

Well-regarded, trusted friend

"You bailed me out, you my boy!"

Bill,

Thank you.

I am going to ignore the fact that you are indicating I am a racist.

I'm not indicating anything. I asked you a point blank question, "If Obama was white would you call him a "boy"?"

A yes or no answer wil suffice.

You must know, being the "good" liberal that you are that calling a black man, "boy" under any circumstances is politically incorrect -- unless of course you are black yourself.

Are you black, trees?

The fact that you would become so defensive and say you are ignoring me from this point forward for simply asking a question that would certainly be asked of me if I called any black man "boy" on this site seems like quite an overreaction don't you think? In fact, I can assure you that if I called any black man, "boy" on this site - the question wouldn't even be asked -- I would just be called a racist outright by the many pillars of tolerance and open mindedness here.

So why the thin skin Trees? Why so defensive?

Bill, you know, or you should know that a white person calling a black man "boy" under any circumstances is, to put it nicely, politically incorrect.

Trees, I think that one of the unspoken reasons for Obama's meteroic rise is that many Democrats and liberals suffer from internalized racism that they feel much guilt and shame over. By supporting Obama with an almost religious fervor, I think tthey may subconsciusly believe it is absolving them of their "racist" sins.

I'm not saying that this is you. But when I see Obama being called "boy" so casually by someone I beleive is white, then I take notice.

That you would become so immediately defensive leads me to believe that the topic itself is a touchy one for you. Why?

Don't get out much, do you? People use that phrase all the time, like as in, "my boy Bush". Or my "homeboy" Bush. Sheesh.

Bill, Just for the rescord I have never seen or heard the terms "my boy Bush". Or my "homeboy" Bush used by anyone anywhere ever.

If you are "out" in places where people are using such terms all the time, then I can assure you that I don't want to get out THAT much.

Larry, Michael steele using the slang term "homeboy" is a lot different then a white person calling a black man "Boy" and you know it.

Larry, Michael steele using the slang term "homeboy" is a lot different then a white person calling a black man "Boy" and you know it.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-04-05 12:53 AM | Reply


Oh Puhlease Lokisfur it is the same thing whether You want to admit to it or not is entirely up to You but to deflect it is BULLSHIT. I just showed You where it happened now You are changing the perameters just like You always do LOKISFUR.

Larry

LOL....

I had a feeling that someone would come along and divert the thread.... I just thought it would take a little longer.

I had a feeling that someone would come along and divert the thread.... I just thought it would take a little longer.

Prob, Not sure what you mean. As threads here go, this one has stayed on point -- it still remains about the increased strength and credibility of Obama's candidacy now that he has proven he can raise the money needed to compete.

During that dialogue. I took notice of Trees (an Obama supporter) casually calling him "boy" and questioned whether or not he/she would do that if Obama was white.

because when I see Obama being called "boy" so casually by someone I beleive is white, then I take notice.

For the same reason I take notice when a white candidate like Hillary changes her entire mannerisms and syntax in order to talk to a black audience.

I take notice because I beleive there is a strong amount of "white guilt" running through the Democratic party and I think that one of the unspoken reasons for Obama's meteroic rise is that many Democrats and liberals suffer from internalized racism that they feel much guilt and shame over. By supporting Obama with an almost religious fervor, I think tthey may subconsciusly believe it is absolving them of their "racist" sins to open up their wallets to him.

It is also interesting to note that since I posited this, the blogger, Trees, who called Obama "Boy" immedsiately went on the defensive, and some other bloggers here tried to deflect entirely from the point by making comparisons to the use of the word "boy" in other non-racially charged contexts -- such as a black man calling President Bush a "homeboy" which of course is not the same thing.

Because, as we all know, for good or bad there is a double standard in this country whicha allows blacks to use the "N" word freely or call whites "homeboy", but does not allow for whites to casually use the term "boy" when describing a black man in any circumstance.

Bowa - she didn't "call" him boy. She said "my boy Obama". Perhaps you are very young, I don't know. But for those of us more, shall we say, mature folk, we know that using that word, as in "That's my boy!" is used as a term of affection and/or pride, as in a parent referring to an offspring who has just accomplished something great by saying "That's my boy!" Similar to "Attaboy". Get it? No racial connotation.

Your faux outrage is rather distasteful, not to mention disingenuous. I suspect Mr. Obama would have had no problem with Trees expression of delight at his success.

Oh Boy, Bowa, you are such a tiresome fellow.

Your faux outrage is rather distasteful, not to mention disingenuous. I suspect Mr. Obama would have had no problem with Trees expression of delight at his success.

San, There's no faux outrage. A white person calling a black man "my boy" or "boy" is politically incorrect under anty circumstance to say the least.

And given my experience on this site, I know that no republican would ever be able to use the term "boy" for Obama under an circumstance, even if they were referring to him in a positive context as Trees was.

I will agree with you that it could be an age thing. I don't know how old Trees is. But After all, My mother in her 80's still calls a refrigerator and "ice box" so that is a point well taken. However, it would seem to me that decades ago, during segregation, the use of the word "boy" to describe a balck man was exactly how it came to be considered a racist term. So if Trees is old and still using "boy" so casually to descibe a black man then that is unfortunate -- Trees should be even more sensitive to the racist history of the word, don't you think?

But it's a moot point. Because Trees, rather then answer respond to my post just went immediately on the defensive and shut down exhibiting such a thin skin that it reminds me how tough we republicans are to dare to post on a "liberal" blog with all the derision we face each day for posting our viewpoints.

Why did ya'll buy into DerflalokiBowa's deflection. Just ignore him. He is ignorant. He would rather focus on Obama's middle name and race rather than talk about the issues because he knows Obama is on the forefront when it comes to the major issues. Only the intolerant would focus on his name or race. Get used to this stuff people it is all the right has to counter act him as they are weak minded, intolerant, and can't win on real issues.

Obama 2008!!

Defla if you actually think that trees was using the term "boy" in the derrogatory sense you are dumber than I thought you were before today. Again you are just trying to make up issues in order to deflect attention from the movement that will lead this country back into respectability.

Obama 2008!

MR. RUSSERT: If you want to stop the war, why not just simply cut all the funding off?

REP. RANGEL: Because you don't have the vote to do it. There's some people who believe that if you cut all the funding off, you leave our soldiers and, and, and military people exposed, and that they'd have no money and then we'd go back to the scene we had in Vietnam where we're fleeing by helicopter. And so it's all compromised. That's what legislation's all about, and you have to make the best moral and conscious decision.

Let me answer your perfectly disingenuous question, Bow Wow.

Trees might have said, "my boy Peyton", were she a Colts fan. It is an expression.

An expression that people who are without racial bigotry might feel comfortable using no matter who they are talking about in a positive manner, as Trees most obviously was doing.

So, Bow Wow, my boy, fuck off.

"Trees might have said, "my boy Peyton", were she a Colts fan. It is an expression."

Of course. As I said above, Bowa is being ridiculous and just trying to deflect by playing the race card.

I've used the 'my boy' expression - nothing wrong with it. In fact, it's actually a compliment to the individual being addressed as 'my boy'. That said, Bowa raises an interesting point.

Speculative question:

What if a prominent Republican or prominent Conservative said the following:

"I don't necessarily agree with his politics, however my boy Obama would make a respectable president."

In our hyper-sensitive PC culture, do you not think such a comment, coming from a Republican, wouldn't cause a fuss?

I think it would.

"I don't necessarily agree with his politics, however my boy Obama would make a respectable president."

Not only that, he's clean and articulate according to Joe Biden!

I agree Jeff - sometimes the context makes a big difference. There is also a big difference between saying something like "that Obama boy", or "hey Obama, come on over here boy", vs. the obvious "attaboy" that Trees expressed.

"What if a prominent Republican or prominent Conservative ..."

Morning Jeff:

If speaking of republicans or conservatives, they wouldn't say "my boy Obama".

One would have to be in line with Obama politically, to correctly use that terminology.

It makes no sense otherwise.

Gotta run, have a great day!

One would have to be in line with Obama politically, to correctly use that terminology.

Excellent point - and it kinda kills the underlying premise of my question.

Touche!!

Have a great day, Lisa.

There is also a big difference between saying something like "that Obama boy", or "hey Obama, come on over here boy", vs. the obvious "attaboy" that Trees expressed.


I agree wholeheartedly. That's why I thought Bowa's point was salient. Despite the fact that Trees was obviously complimentary, some rabid, PC-obsessed zealots could manage to construe her compliment as a racial slur.

Jeff,

From a personal standpoint, the hypersensitive language police drive me bugshit crazy.

It is almost always quite clear when something is being used as a perjorative and when it is not.

Lisa pretty much said what else I was going to have to say.

Trees,

From a personal standpoint, the hypersensitive language police drive me bugshit crazy.

Me too. I abhor rabid PC with every fiber of my being.

I agree wholeheartedly. That's why I thought Bowa's point was salient. Despite the fact that Trees was obviously complimentary, some rabid, PC-obsessed zealots could manage to construe her compliment as a racial slur.

The point could have been made without the underhandedness of assigning a racial position to me that it was clear that I did not carry.


Absolutely.

Your intent was clear.

I think it would have been far more effective to structure the response along the lines of:

Despite the fact that Trees was clearly complimentary, PC zealots could easily construe racism from it.

Etc.

There is no question that I am a Liberal, bleeding heart, through and through.

But one of my greatest fears is that we will swing too far to the left, just as we have swung too far to the right in recent years. I think the results of that would be as disasterous to freedom as these last six years have been.

I think the race card is played too freely by both sides and it is a very effective deflection. It keeps people from talking about what they should be talking about.

It's craziness.

But one of my greatest fears is that we will swing too far to the left, just as we have swung too far to the right in recent years. I think the results of that would be as disasterous to freedom as these last six years have been.


And that is why Obama would make a great president.

Obama '08!

That's why I volunteered.

And why I donated.

I think the results of that would be as disasterous to freedom as these last six years have been.
Trees tell us about the freedoms you have lost over the last six years.

And then when the democrats want to 'transfer' my earnings to someone else using 'wealth dispersment'(tax increase) how this is not a clear violation of my right to privacy(which includes financial).

Slick it is the 16th Amendment, I have schooled you on this before. Run along and play with the other tax evaders who are in jail now.

That's why I volunteered.

And why I donated.


As did I. My sign for the front yard and my bumpersticker are on their way as well.

Obama '08!

Slick it is the 16th Amendment, I have schooled you on this before. Run along and play with the other tax evaders who are in jail now.
So your hypocracy shows. Your willing to invade someones privacy as long as you decide when. Always check for a small red dot on your chest!

Slick is that supposed to be some kind of threat?

There is no question that I am a Liberal, bleeding heart, through and through.

Trees, that's all the more reason one would think you of all people would be sensitive to the racist connotations of a white person calling a black man "boy" or "my boy".

I just think it is unfortunate that you haven't been able to support your "man" Obama given that he is the the first credible black candidate for President in America's history.

I wonder how many other white people just view him as their "boy" like you do.

Despite the fact that Trees was clearly complimentary, PC zealots could easily construe racism from it.

I'm no fan of political correctness. But the reality is that there is a double standard based on race as to what langiage appropriate.

There is no doubt that Trees comment was not said in a deragatory manner but given the racist history connected to the use of the word "boy" when describing black men, it was inherently demeaning.

Derfla it has already been settled that your assertion is disingenuous and misplaced. Take it up with JeffJ, a respectable righty poster here who doesn't have to resort to intellectual dishonesty to get his point across.

Quit trying to detract from the thread because you are scared that Obama is going to win in '08.

I'm definitely not feeling the Drudge love for my boy Obama!

To be perfectly honest here--because I have to call 'em like I see 'em--if I didn't know Trees, I'd think this was an insult. Maybe she calls everybody "boy," I don't know. But if someone didn't know, I could see how they'd take offense.

OTOH, I say things like "you go girl" all the time, so I could see saying "my girl Hillary" if I was going to vote for her in the primary (which I'm not). It's down to either Edwards or Obama. The day after Obama gave the keynote speaker at the DNC, I came on here and predicted that he was the future of the Democratic party. But I confess I didn't expect him to run so soon.

I'm definitely not feeling the Drudge love for my boy Obama!

Or to look at this another way: suppose some rabid rightwinger came on here and said to the Dems "you're boy Obama". I bet quite a few Dems would take offense at that. I know I would.

So, in conclusion, we are more likely to see no offense when something is said by our friends/supporters and more likely to take as insult the same statement made by our enemies and nonsupporters.

So, in conclusion, we are more likely to see no offense when something is said by our friends/supporters and more likely to take as insult the same statement made by our enemies and nonsupporters.

I agree with you again Gal.

Hmmm...seems like a trend.

Hmmm...seems like a trend.

I know, Bowa. Scary, ain't it?

I know, Bowa. Scary, ain't it?

Not really actually. You and I both share an interet in discussing the topics of the threads and dealing with the different viewpoints presented here without devolving into nasty personal attacks and accusations -- so we were bound to agree once in a while.

I'm glad that you undertood how a white person using the term "my boy" when describing a black man could be viewed as insulting regardless of the intent behind it.

"My boy Obama"?

WTF?!

Has Trees suddenly revealed hither-to unsuspected rascist tendencies?

Nephew, please!

Bowa "thinks" he sees racism.

"Trees, If Obama was white would you call him a "boy"?"

Oh No you didn'! thinks Spud.

Even Gal sees something.

"I could see how they'd take offense"

Here's wot Spud sees.

Gal is being an overly obliging liberal in seeing Bowas point while ignoring the fact that it was an out and out insult far more than it was a legitimate point.

Bowa is just being an ass trying to make wot he knows to be a false case unless he's suddenly joined the PC whipped set too.

While Spud supports the notion that some folk can say the "boy" and make it sound like "nigger" Spud does not support the notion that Trees is one of these people and to imply such, to even hint at it is offensive as hell.

Trees has volunteered fer Obama.
Trees has donated to Obama's campaign.

She's a true grass-roots pundit who post positively fer the man.

Wots more she's a she.

Why is that important?

A woman calling a man, any man "my boy" is always positively connoted.

If a man were to do it could more easily be percieved as a challenge.

Context and prior relations must always be considered and in Trees case these accusations of racism are not only unwarranted but extremely insulting as well.

Spud hopes Gal sees this even if Bowa is beyond hope.

Be Well.

PS: To Bowa?

Spud, as you may haff guessed, is not over-burdened wif PC Whipped cowardice ergo Spud aint got a beef wif declaring here and now...

Barck Obama is Spuds main man!
Barack Obama is me boyeeeeee!!

Ya know wot Spud's saying Biznitch?!

Or as NWA put it...

"He's my main n*gg*r behind the motha fuckin' trigger"

Haff a field day wif that one, Infink.

Shot out to Trees and Tony and Taxman and Jimmy W and San Antonio Rogue and all the other posters and readers around here who are gonna get involved in the '08 election and support Barack Obama.

You guys RAWK!

Barack Obama '08.

He's the real deal.

Gal,

With all do respect...

Trees, I think that one of the unspoken reasons for Obama's meteroic rise is that many Democrats and liberals suffer from internalized racism that they feel much guilt and shame over. By supporting Obama with an almost religious fervor, I think tthey may subconsciusly believe it is absolving them of their "racist" sins.

You must know, being the "good" liberal that you are that calling a black man, "boy" under any circumstances is politically incorrect -- unless of course you are black yourself.
Are you black, trees?

The fact that you would become so defensive and say you are ignoring me from this point forward for simply asking a question that would certainly be asked of me if I called any black man "boy" on this site seems like quite an overreaction don't you think? In fact, I can assure you that if I called any black man, "boy" on this site - the question wouldn't even be asked -- I would just be called a racist outright by the many pillars of tolerance and open mindedness here.

So why the thin skin Trees? Why so defensive?

Bill, Just for the rescord I have never seen or heard the terms "my boy Bush". Or my "homeboy" Bush used by anyone anywhere ever.

If you are "out" in places where people are using such terms all the time, then I can assure you that I don't want to get out THAT much.

because when I see Obama being called "boy" so casually by someone I beleive is white, then I take notice.

For the same reason I take notice when a white candidate like Hillary changes her entire mannerisms and syntax in order to talk to a black audience.

I take notice because I beleive there is a strong amount of "white guilt" running through the Democratic party and I think that one of the unspoken reasons for Obama's meteroic rise is that many Democrats and liberals suffer from internalized racism that they feel much guilt and shame over. By supporting Obama with an almost religious fervor, I think tthey may subconsciusly believe it is absolving them of their "racist" sins to open up their wallets to him.

It is also interesting to note that since I posited this, the blogger, Trees, who called Obama "Boy" immedsiately went on the defensive, and some other bloggers here tried to deflect entirely from the point by making comparisons to the use of the word "boy" in other non-racially charged contexts -- such as a black man calling President Bush a "homeboy" which of course is not the same thing.

Because, as we all know, for good or bad there is a double standard in this country whicha allows blacks to use the "N" word freely or call whites "homeboy", but does not allow for whites to casually use the term "boy" when describing a black man in any circumstance.

I'm still bent about this and I'll tell you why, because I think you missed where Bowa called Liberals closet Racists not once but twice...

This was not a simple matter of "some people might take offense to you using that term, Trees." This was that pathetic fuck not so subtlely calling me a racist.

My support for my candidate was genuine and totally without the flavor of a closeted racist.

There were so many ways that simpering man cunt could have approached the conversation but he chose to do it by calling me a racist and then calling Liberals racists, spewing the tired "self loathing" liberal in support of the race they wronged. WHich is not only insulting to liberals but also RACIALLY insulting to Senator Obama as well.

But, hey, go ahead and overlook that. Let the love fest continue.

I said what I said, and said it as casually as I did because I've never thought of Senator Obama as a successful Black man, nor a successful white man, or even a successful blue with purple stripes man. I've always thought of him as a successful man. No racial descriptive necessary. Hard to believe, huh, that I'd let a man stand on his own merits? You know with me being a dirty racist and all.

It was painfully clear to anyone with a BRIAN that my comment was in no way shape or form demeaning.

Bowa chose to make it look that way, that's his problem. He wants to feel superior by labeling me a racist, fine. I'm pretty sure the stupid fuck knows what he can do with THAT opinion.

And just for the record, I'll show my support for my boy Obama any way I fucking well please.






and it's due respect, fuck it.

t was an out and out insult far more than it was a legitimate point.

It was a question spud. ""Trees, If Obama was white would you call him a "boy"?"" Is a question.

That remains unanswered by Trees.

The point however I did raise later on was this -- when I see Obama being called "boy" so casually by someone I beleive is white, then I take notice. Even if it is not meant to be deragatory, it is still inherently demeaning.

I take notice, For the same reason I take notice when a white candidate like Hillary changes her entire mannerisms and syntax in order to talk to a black audience. Her intent wasn't to be demeaning by doing it. But the result was, she was demeaning , she was insulting.

I take notice of all this because I beleive there is a strong amount of "white guilt" running through the Democratic party and I think that one of the unspoken reasons for Obama's meteroic rise is that many Democrats and liberals suffer from internalized racism that they feel much guilt and shame over. By supporting Obama with an almost religious fervor, I think tthey may subconsciusly believe it is absolving them of their "racist" sins to open up their wallets to him.

My spelling is creative when I'm mellow, we can now see what happens to it when I am 31 Flavors of Irate.

"It was painfully clear to anyone with a BRIAN

Mrs Dennehy got it. ;^)

Sorry but Spud just luffs Spuds first rule of blogworld.

That was funny

Here's sommat less funny...

Bowas got another bullshit liberal stereo-type to trot out fer us.

"white guilt" in the Dem party?

Bullshit.

That's a classic deflection from the right who are consistently shunned by African American voters vecause they view the GOP, quite rightly in Spuds opinion, as THE party of rascists and Haters.

Be Well.

Trees, obviously I have struck a never with you.

Given that my mere membership in the republican party makes me automatically a racist (as well as a murderer, and terrorist) to many of the "iberals and democrats" here, I find it pretty funny that you would get so angry and hateful because I beleive that a white person calling a black man "boy' is inherently demeaning given the obvious double standard based on race that exists in the use of language.

Only you can possibly know in your heart if you are racist or not. Would you say "my boy" Edwards, or "my Boy" Gore if you supported them. I have no idea.

I do know that the term "boy" to describe a black man is politically incorrect to say the least. And your incredibly defensive posture to being asked about your intent for using it would suggest that you are very insecure about this issue.

One of the reasons I am a republican is because I have always beleived that liberals and democrats, by nature, viewed people not as individuals first but in terms of the groups they belonged to -- and therefore are more disposed to be racist in their views. And by racist, I mean someone who defines someone by the color of their skin first rather then the content of their character. And I beleive it is just as racist to give someone special advantages because of their skin color, as it is to discriminate against them to do harm.

So when I hear liberals use the term "boy" to describe Black men or Hillary feeling the need to speak differently in order to communicate with blacks, it definitely gets noticed by me.

Bowa,

Two words for your sniviling pathetic ass.

FUCK

and

OFF.

I owe you exactly jack shit.

in Spuds opinion, as THE party of rascists and Haters.

Spuds is calling me a racist becaue I'm a republican. Let's see maybe I should get as defensive and thin-skinned as Trees is when similar comments are made about liberals and democrats.

Nah.

I know that I am not a racist so I'll just yawn instead.

Trees, obviously I have struck a never with you.

No offense, but ya kind of struck a "never" with a few folks here.

Hillary's "need to speak differently?" I wish it surprised me why you wouldn't get it. It doesn't. Since those in attendence really got it and appreciated it that kind of shows you're out of touch. It's a common problem with Republicans. Trying to relate, but missing the core - so the attempts look patronizing, condescending, pathetic or in the best case - misguided.

Oh well. Progress can be slow.

"Trees, obviously I have struck a never with you"

As in "Never attempt to take you seriously"?

Spud would hafta concur.

Ha! Spuds Law strike twice in short order.

"Spuds is calling me a racist because I'm a republican."

No Spud is saying that it is transparently obvious to even the most casual observer to the American political scene that the GOP are historically, and to date, the party of hate, intolerance and lies, hence the low low numbers of blacks, gays and women.

In short Spud is calling the organisation racist, not all it's members.

Just cos you belong to them doesn't neccessarily make you a racist.

Certainly doesn't help though.

Hearing me Boyo?

Be Well.

PS: Trees, messages and stuff.

Trees, obviously I have struck a never with you.

You've struck a "never" with everyone, nobody.

No offense, but ya kind of struck a "never" with a few folks here.

I meant to say "nerve".

Since those in attendence really got it and appreciated it that kind of shows you're out of touch.

Please. is that why the black vote is abandoning Hillary in droves? Because her pandering is so "appreciated"?

In short Spud is calling the organisation racist, not all it's members. Just cos you belong to them doesn't neccessarily make you a racist.

I agree Spud. Except I beleive it is true for the democrats not the republicans.

Anyway, I have to be somewhere at 10PM tonight so I have to run (late already). But I will check in to this thread tomorrow.

later all.

Bowa-
No Spud is saying that it is transparently obvious to even the most casual observer to the American political scene that the GOP are historically, and to date, the party of hate, intolerance and lies, hence the low low numbers of blacks, gays and women.

He's right about that, you know. The GOP has a 40 year record of being very wrong on these issues in both their rhetoric and their actions.

Spud,

I may need a map to them. ;p

I've responded to everything that you sent prior to 7pm my time.

Are there new ones?

"Except I beleive it is true for the democrats not the republicans."

Oops:

TreesGoneWild

I have THREE words for You

YOU

GO

GIRL

I owe You some yummilicious well SOMETHING. WTG Ma'am

Sincerely
Larry Mohr

Because her pandering is so "appreciated"?

As I said Trying to relate, but missing the core - so the attempts look patronizing, condescending, pathetic or in the best case - misguided.

"James Cleveland" I DON'T FEEL NO WAYS TIRED if you didn't know the author of what it is you're attacking.

I'm no fan of Hillary, but this goad is one of those "you know more by the question asked than any answer given."

"Bowa" spelt backwards is "A WOB"!

aka A Waste Of Bandwidth!

"Please. is that why the black vote is abandoning Hillary in droves? Because her pandering is so "appreciated"?"

Do you think the fact that a black candidate with a realistic shot at winning the presidency has entered the race might have sommat to do with any of that?

Do you think at all?

Spud "appreciates" that thinking is hard fer ya so Spud'll use some "special language" here.

"You's a dummy!"

There! Spud is dumb it down 'specially just fer you Bowa!

No need to thank Spud.

Happy to help.

Be Well.

AWOB "beleives'!...

"Except I beleive it is true for the democrats not the republicans"

Tell that to Barack Obama.

Also Spud believes the word is spelled "believe"

Spud could be wrong there.

Be Well.

PS: To Trees

"I've responded to everything that you sent prior to 7pm my time.

Are there new ones?"

Let's see Spud is PST Trees is CST drop the two carry the one...

Umm Actually Spud just checked and yes, Tag! Spud was it.

Just left ya a l'il one.

Be Even Weller than AWOB!

Barack Obama '08.

Believe!

Imo, Obama has cashed into the bank of AIPAC like virtually every candidate. This discounts his nomination for me.

RLR,

Your opinon is contrary to fact.

No money was taken from PAC's or Lobbyists. Over 100,000 people donated to his campaign.

Research please.

Reddy,

"Imo, Obama has cashed into the bank of AIPAC like virtually every candidate. This discounts his nomination for me"

Seriously Reddy the unfortunate political reality is you can't get elected in the US without going to the AIPAC temple and making an offering.

There isn't a single electable candidate in the US who hasn't.

If you ever find one do point him/her out to Spud.

Be Well.

Fuck me...

I am seriously stupid

AIPAC

Sorry RLR

I apologize for being brain dead today.

P.S. Spud, I'll make some response type stuff when I find my way home from work. About an hour and a half or so. :)

To EVERYONE else, aparently my brain decided not to wake up with me today. I'll make sure that doesn't happen again.

I'm rooting hard for the Numinous Negro.

He makes me feel good about myself.

'Cause I'm part of the "new", "younger", and "energized" Pepsi generation wot doesn't have a LAN line connection but only a cell phone---and whose voice is therefore ignored in the polls.

We are The Children who are beyond your command.

Congressmen, Senators---heed the call.

Corporate media better start swimming or they'll sink like a stone.

"The People" are angry and hungry.

Obama be our hot-wing.

AIPAC are more wary of Obama than any other serious candidate.

He doesn't haff a track record with him and that scares them.

Edwards and Hillary squared off fer the benefit of AIPAC back on Feb 1st.

Obamas voting record is pro-Israel but because they don't haff "a long relation with him" they don't trust despite all the Jewish activists in Chicago standing up for him.

Right one Dems haff a problem vis a vis Israel.

George Soros, a major financier for the Dems has come out and said that the US in general and the Dems specifically should wean themselves off of AIPAC and, more to the point, that the US should recognise Hamas as the legally elected representatives of the Palestinians.

Spud agrees with Soros thre, btw.

But Spud aint running for nothing so Spud don't haff to pick between AIPAC money and Soros money.

All the Dems are conflicted because the coventional wisdom states they need AIPAC money and support as much as they want Soros' money and support.

It's a tricky situation.

Obama disagrees with Soros and Spud here and thinks, as AIPAC does that Hamas must "accept Israel's right to exist" before letting the money flow again and maybe that'll happen yet but Spud is not holding his breath.

Leading Democrats, including Senator Obama of Illinois, are distancing themselves from an essay published this week by one of their party's leading financiers that called for the Democratic Party to "liberate" itself from the influence of the pro-Israel lobby.

The article, by George Soros, published in the New York Review of Books, asserts that America should pressure Israel to negotiate with the Hamas-led unity government in the Palestinian territories regardless of whether Hamas recognizes the right of the Jewish state to exist. Mr. Soros goes on to say that one reason America has not embraced this policy is because of the influence of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

Yesterday, Mr. Obama's presidential campaign issued a dissent from the Hungarian-born billionaire's assessment. " Mr. Soros is entitled to his opinions," a campaign spokeswoman, Jen Psaki, said. "But on this issue he and Senator Obama disagree. The U.S. and our allies are right to insist that Hamas -- a terrorist organization dedicated to Israel's destruction -- meet very basic conditions before being treated as a legitimate actor. AIPAC is one of many voices that share this view."

Naw, dawg.

Thompson '08

Learn it.

Live it.

Love it.

Hillary '08!

*She'll win all of 2 states*

Jeff---I have a hard-on for Thompson.

McCain and Guliani are amoral, Godless pieces of shit.

Romney is a fundamentalist whack-job.

Thompson is my Obama.

I bathe in His light.

What are your thoughts?

Mao is curious Pinche...

"What are your thoughts?"

Spud think Fred is the most electable guy you got and thus Spud is afeared of him somewot.

The only bright side is that he doesn't seem to be enuff of a religious whackjob to gain the support of evDEVILical crowd.

Apparently he aint Christian enuff fer them.

Thus making his early money look tight.

The fact that he spent all that time as a corporate lobbyist may come back to haunt more so in this election than it woulda in previous ones.

Still his Watergate connection holds him in good stead and his connection to Goldwater brand conservatism may work for him.

The fact that they might suspend episodes of L&O if he runs is stupid.

Course Spud would say that Spud is luff that show.

It's still stupid.

Be Well.

and thus Spud is afeared of him somewot.

Good.

Mao-spud is quite aware of his electability.

Mao-spud is far more concerned with his track record.

Mao likey.

Mao make lots of noise to make sure Fred haff give acceptence speech at 2008 convention.

But Mao-spud fart in windstorm.

Need help of guys like Spud to beat drum.

Marx teach us that march of history inevitable.

The Left haff lost war of ideas.

Big time.

So make due and join winning team and help us out.

Thompson '08.

Spud is actually glad to hear that Mao disaproves of Walnutz, Rudeboy and Mittens.

Nice to know Mao aint completely daft.

Trees sez...

"About an hour and a half or so. :)

Coolness!

Be Well.

Reddy,

"Imo, Obama has cashed into the bank of AIPAC like virtually every candidate. This discounts his nomination for me"

Seriously Reddy the unfortunate political reality is you can't get elected in the US without going to the AIPAC temple and making an offering.

There isn't a single electable candidate in the US who hasn't.

If you ever find one do point him/her out to Spud.

Be Well.

Posted by dethspud at 2007-04-06 12:32 AM | Reply


Right Here. I am running for President and I haven't received any monies from AIPAC RPAC Hell Not even shagged MsPACman. Of course I gave Her My Phone Number and Said She was going to call(Like I haven't Hear THAT line before) Hey a Guy can dream can't He??

Larry

My thoughts?

Jeffspud don't know jack about Thompson.

So, at this point, Jeffspud don't have any thoughts fer ya.

Jeffspud be sippin beer.

Jeffspud should be bongin' info about Thompson.

Jeffspud will put yer question on hold, fer now.

Jeffspud do know this...

It takes star-power to win a presidency, in these modern days.

Jeffspud haffn't heardo Thompson.

Jeffsupd follow politics.

Jeffspud should know Thompson, but he duzn't.

That don't bode well for the Thompson.


Be Good

Alright, this talking in 3rd person is simply awkward for me.

And, to make matters worse, this potato-lingo is about as natural for me as CB/Trucker lingo; which is to say it AIN'T!!!

I'll stick with my usual form of communication, as tortured as it is, for the time being.

Jeffspud should be bongin' info about Thompson

Jeffspud should.

Jeffspud should know Thompson, but he duzn't.

Mao-spud coulda haff said the same about the Numinous Negro 9 months ago.

And lookie here now.

Research, digest, calculate, and triangulate.

The most powerful Democrat in the world went to the Middle East and made an ass of herself.

We the people, by any means necessary, need to keep the Democrat party as far from the reins of power as humanly possible.

That's why Fred is so important.

It takes star-power to win a presidency, in these modern days.

Thompson is an accomplished actor.

And a six-year Senator from a decent state---with a stellar record.

And he's right.

This how it starts, Jeffspud.

It don't get no better than this.

Holy Crap!

It's a talking tater invasion!!!

WTH???

Sheesh gone for two hours and it's like the Invasion of the Patato Snatchers.

It took a little longer at the store than I expected...aparently someone gave the exceptionally dim people a night pass and they all decided to go to the grocery at the same time.

That and if the poor cashier were any slower she would have been in reverse.

Do you know how aggravating it is to stand in line for 25 minutes with a little basket that has 9 items in it?

Seriously, like the icing on the cake that was my day.

Drinking now.

"the Invasion of the Potato Snatchers"

Conservatives actually do kinda resemble pod-people don't they?

Yes, Mao and Jeff tend to get a little giddy the later it goes on here.

Spuds more than a li'l goon at present Spuds beluffed Canucks lost tonight and Spud had a house full of drunken bitter angry folk. Spud was one of them. They's gone now and Spud aint bitter no more.

Still "sufficiently suffonsified" as Spud likes to say, mostly cos it sounds better than goooooooooned!

WOO HOO!

Be Well.

PS: Test e-mail fer Treez!

You passed!!

Test response sent.

It's time to lay my branches on the pillowy goodness that is my bed.

Talk to you later!

Have a good night :)

"We the people, by any means necessary, need to keep the Democrat party as far from the reins of power as humanly possible."

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2007-04-06 02:15 AM

Apparently, pinche_loaf didn't get the message.

We the people spoke about the Democratic Party, and here are the results:

US Senate: Majority Democratic
US House: Majority Democratic (including TX-22: Democratic)
Governorships: Majority Democratic
State Legislatures: Majority Democratic

... and ...

The GOP failed to pickup a single House or Senate seat formerly held by a Democrat - the first time a major party has failed in such a spectacular manner since 1980.

... and ...

Two-thirds of the districts that flipped to the Democratic side of the ledger were carried by Bush on the presidential ballot just two years earlier.

What is it about the rightwingnut Texans on this board and their assurances that they will personally make sure that their candidate will win?

Mao make lots of noise to make sure Fred haff give acceptence speech at 2008 convention.

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2007-04-06 01:42 AM

=====

I pledge to the RIGHT world that I am doing all that I can do to see that your prediction comes true and when sekula-gibbs beats lampson in november....

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2006-08-29 11:17 AM

Gal is being an overly obliging liberal in seeing Bowas point while ignoring the fact that it was an out and out insult far more than it was a legitimate point.


Gal is not being an overly obliging liberal, Spud. I know Trees didn't mean "boy" as an insult. I also know that black men were called "boys" for decades after slavery ended and not in an endearing way.

This reminds me of that documentary about a black and white family switching places. In one scene the white woman referred to the young black women as "lovely creatures." The blacks in the film took offense at that. I didn't understand this because if someone called me a "lovely creature" I'd be flattered. The blacks explained that to them the word creature evoked past racial slurs in which blacks were referred to as animals (baboons, etc.).

Just because a word has no negative connotations in our experience doesn't mean others feel the same way. If acknowledging that makes me an overly obliging liberal, than so be it. I see it as my trying to walk a mile in the other guy's shoes. If Tree had said "my guy Obama," I don't think anyone would have objected.

Context and prior relations must always be considered and in Trees case these accusations of racism are not only unwarranted but extremely insulting as well.

Spud hopes Gal sees this even if Bowa is beyond hope.

I've already said more than once that I know Trees didn't mean that as an insult. My point is that even if it wasn't meant as such, it could be seen that way by people who have been boyed into second class citizens in the past. Gal hopes Spus sees this even if Bowa is the one who originally brought up the issue.

It was painfully clear to anyone with a BRIAN that my comment was in no way shape or form demeaning.

It was painfully clear to me that the woman in the flick I mentioned didn't mean her comment to be demeaning, and yet some people with brains took it that way.

You go right ahead and call Obama "my boy." I just dread the day when the talking head Republicans start calling him that in the same way that they've been calling him "Barak Hussien Obama." Capische?

Calling him by his real name beats this "numinous negro" shit the racists hide behind.

And just for the record, I'll show my support for my boy Obama any way I fucking well please.

and it's due respect, fuck it

Like I said, when the Republicans start doing it, it won't be; but if someone tries to call them on it, it will be more difficult to say why the term is now insulting.

Look, I had a problem with people being offended by folks saying Obama is "articulate." I think he is and refused to stop referring to him that way because it wasn't PC, so I feel your frustration.

Okay, I've said my peace.

I take notice of all this because I beleive there is a strong amount of "white guilt" running through the Democratic party and I think that one of the unspoken reasons for Obama's meteroic rise is that many Democrats and liberals suffer from internalized racism that they feel much guilt and shame over. By supporting Obama with an almost religious fervor, I think tthey may subconsciusly believe it is absolving them of their "racist" sins to open up their wallets to him.

Well, Bowa, I can only speak for myself and say I don't think this is the case. Like Spud, I think Obama is the real deal.

Bowa and republicans are trying to demonize Obama's supporters because they are scared shitless by his progress and his character and his fresh approach.

All their tactics for the election were to debunk and generally destroy Hillary.

If Obama is the nominee or even on the ticket the Democrats win.

Well, Bowa, I can only speak for myself and say I don't think this is the case. Like Spud, I think Obama is the real deal.

Gal, well we'll have to agree to disagree. I have a lot of trouble belieing that if Obama was white, given his sparse record, he would be receiving anywhere near the kind of passionate enthusiasm he's gotten - generating an almost religious fervor within the Democratic party. Apparently, my view that "white guilt" is at least partly responsible for his meteroric rise has struck a nerve with the bloggers on this site. I just calls it like I see it. And if someoen sees it differently then me. So be it.

That said, I also think that Obama is the "real deal" and is the first credible black candidate in the history of the US. And Regardless of the underlying reasons which have garnered him much more support then his record would warrant, he has made the most of this tidal wave of positive recognition and shown a political saavy that has kept the momentum going.

That makes him a force to reckoned with regardless of race.

the first credible black candidate in the history of the US.

Huh??

Bowa and republicans are trying to demonize Obama's supporters because they are scared shitless by his progress and his character and his fresh approach

Amen. The right has nothing on Obama and they can't stand it so they are going to go after Obama supporters.

Again, scared shitless.

I also think that Obama is the "real deal" and is the first credible black candidate in the history of the US.

You call Trees a racist Bowa but you are the one that keeps on focusing on race. I think it is you have the underlying issues.

Bowa and republicans are trying to demonize Obama's supporters because they are scared shitless by his progress and his character and his fresh approach.

I don't believe that saying Obama's race has played a role in him garnering the enthusiastic support he received from the get-go is "demonizing". It seems obvious.

As for me being "scared shitless" by his "progress and his character and his fresh approach."

My bowel movements are fine.

In fact, If Obama gets the nomination and depending on who the GOP candidate is, I may even vote for Obama.

My biggest problem with Obama is that he has such a sparse record, and so little experience playing in the big leagues of politics, that he would not be up to the job as President.

However, the election process itself, the microscope that all candidates are put under, is showing me that so far at least, Obama is just as Saavy and politically astute as any of the other potential nominees in either party.

You call Trees a racist Bowa but you are the one that keeps on focusing on race. I think it is you have the underlying issues.

taxman, Given that Obama is the first credible black candidate for President in US history, and that he has written two book (one of which is titled "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance ") which make his race and his struggles to fit in, that which helps define his character, it would be diffcult to discuss his candidacy without acknowledging his race and the effect good or bad it will have on his ability to get elected.

That said. I am not the one going around calling him "my boy" knowing full well the racist connotations that term has when used by a white person -- regadless of the intent behind it.

I.N.:

By first credible black candidate, I mean the first black candidate with a real chance to get a major party nomination. I know that Shirely Chisolm, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton have run before but none of them ever had a realistic chance to get the nomination.

"Let me answer your perfectly disingenuous question, Bow Wow.

Trees might have said, "my boy Peyton", were she a Colts fan. It is an expression.

An expression that people who are without racial bigotry might feel comfortable using no matter who they are talking about in a positive manner, as Trees most obviously was doing.

So, Bow Wow, my boy, fuck off.

Posted by Corky at 2007-04-05 09:36 AM"



Unbelievable. 24 hours later and this sniveling little freak is still trying to play the race card.

It seems like the Reichwingers have a guilt associated with their willingness to kowtow to the racist, segregationalist South when the Dems, out of conscience, dropped them.

So, whenever they think they can push their failed morals onto a liberal, they go to outrageous lengths to project their own bigotry.

What a tool.

"It seems like the Reichwingers have a guilt associated with their willingness to kowtow to the racist, segregationalist South when the Dems, out of conscience, dropped them."

Ahemmm...as a "good ol' boy" from the South, I have to take exception to the tone of your post there, Corky, me lad. I am of the firm opinion that there's MORE segregation in places like New York, Detroit, Philadelphia, Boston...and don't forget L.A....than there is in the South. Racism isn't confined to the South. And...oh, yes, I'm SURE good ol' Robert Byrd abandoned racism and the KKK out of conscience.

Opinions are like assholes, Jestshit, everbody has one.

That your's is ridiculous is your right.

Trees might have said, "my boy Peyton", were she a Colts fan. It is an expression.

Corky, Trees is white. Peyton manning is white. You are correct, it is just an expression.

"My boy Obama" on the other hand has racist connotations that are inherently demeaning when said by a white person regardless of wheher or not the intent was derogatory.

Corky, I'm no fan of the PC movement, but unfortunately that's just the way it is, in this country, at this time.

And one would think that a self-described "bleeding heart liberal" like Trees would be more sensitive to these racial double-standards which exist. I am quite sure that if a republican/conservative had used the term "My Boy Obama" the sentiments by you and other liberals/democrats on this thread regarding the innocuousness of the term would be quite different regardless of whether or not the republican had any negative intent in using it.

I still find it amazing that Obama raised this much cash from small donors. Moreover, he is going to be able to go back to these donors, like me, because they haven't given anywhere near the $2,300 limit.

Obama 2008!

I still find it amazing that Obama raised this much cash from small donors. Moreover, he is going to be able to go back to these donors, like me, because they haven't given anywhere near the $2,300 limit.

Obama is definitely in a better financial position then Hillary is that's for sure. She must be "scared shitless" of him to borrow sitdown's line from his above post.

Of course it would be different, you incredibly insignificant piece of flotsam.

When a bigot like you says it, it is racist. When a non-bigot like Trees says it, once, in passing conversation, it is not.

If Trees were saying it repeatedly, in a political manner, you might possibly have a point.

As it is, you are, as usual, like your posts, pointless.

And the fact is he has raised more primary cash than Clinton.

I love how Clinton's camp is now pointing to the fact that they still have $10 mil in the warchest from Hillzilla's Senate campaign and thus have more cash than Obama. All they are trying to do is detract from the fact that Obama is gaining ground and totally caught them off guard. I would imagine the Hillary camp wasn't expecting to have to spend so much cash in the primaries.

You call Trees a racist Bowa but you are the one that keeps on focusing on race. I think it is you have the underlying issues.

Actually, he called all white liberals racists, but I don't see where he specifically called Trees one except by implication (perhaps you can point the post(s) out to me--I've tried reading the thread through again but I get too upset):

There is no doubt that Trees comment was not said in a deragatory manner but given the racist history connected to the use of the word "boy" when describing black men, it was inherently demeaning.

and

I take notice of all this because I beleive there is a strong amount of "white guilt" running through the Democratic party and I think that one of the unspoken reasons for Obama's meteroic rise is that many Democrats and liberals suffer from internalized racism that they feel much guilt and shame over. By supporting Obama with an almost religious fervor, I think tthey may subconsciusly believe it is absolving them of their "racist" sins to open up their wallets to him.

It is possible to unknowingly use a word that has racist connotations without being a racist and without meaning an insult by it.

When a bigot like you says it, it is racist. When a non-bigot like Trees says it, once, in passing conversation, it is not.

So I guess this means we are going to have to have a "when I use boy it's okay, but when you use it it's not" discussion if the Republicans do start using it. Oh boy.

Tax,

I was surprised to find that Hil's campaign has raised 80 per cent of their money from donations of $100 or less.

Much like Obama, I suspect.

That being said, not to raise enough money in whatever ways are "legal" at this time would be suicidal, a unilateral disarmament.

So, both candidates are not only copying the Internet fund-raising misdeal, but both are copying the Bush bundling of large donations by forming groups like Bush's Rangers and Pioneers.

The difference, of course, is that the Dems are willing to change the rules on campaign financing to create a more level playing field, and the GOP is not.

Internet fund-raising misdeal ???? should be "model", lol

If anything it will be inane arguments like this that will be the undoing of Obama's campaign, and obviously peopele taking the bait. I mean look, Derfla set the trap and everyone fell for it. Now instead of focusing on the Obama movement we are discussing race.

I am upset with myself and everyone else here for falling for it. I should have known better.

Obama 2008!

Corky, Big yawn.

I see that namecalling the last refuge of a Lefty devoid of an argument is being used a lot by you this morning. Now I'm a "bigot" and an "incredibly insignificant piece of flotsam."

LOL

Oh well, I've made the points I needed to make about this issue. If you don't agree so be it.

It wouldn't be the first time that someone didn't agree with me on drudge.com that's for sure.

The namecalling is hilarious though. It proves to me that whatever I have said, must ring true on some core level, which you and others don't want to admit so instead you strike out at the messenger in the nly way you can -- namecalling, anger, hatred, anything you can think of to somehow dismiss the disagreeable viewpoint entirely.

Seriously Reddy the unfortunate political reality is you can't get elected in the US without going to the AIPAC temple and making an offering.
There isn't a single electable candidate in the US who hasn't.
If you ever find one do point him/her out to Spud.
Be Well.
Posted by dethspud at 2007-04-06 12:32 AM

At this moment I'm watching Kucinich on C-SPAN. His speech started with how "we must protect Israel's right to exist." So, I'm left with no "honest" candidate whatsoever.

TreesGoneWild- any candidate suggestions are welcome. At least the 4am strike on Iran didn't happen today.

It is possible to unknowingly use a word that has racist connotations without being a racist and without meaning an insult by it.

Of course Gal. Only the person making the comment would ever really know whether they are racist or not -- subconsciously or consciously. The most insidious form of racism might be that which is just accepted in the normal forms of discourse -- for example, that Hillary would believe it is OK to change her syntax when talking to African-americans. Or someone just automatically describing a black man as "my boy" when they wouldn't normally use the term to describe a white man.

I have no idea if trees uses the expression "my boy" with everyone or if she used it for Obama because in some subconscious way she sees black men more as "boys" then men. That's a question only Trees can answer. What I do know is that her angry, immediate and thin skinned reaction to being asked about her use of the term suggests that it is at the very least a sensitive issue with her and one in which she is not very secure in her views on.

have to go to work now.

Thank God it is Friday.

No, name calling that is deserved is a whole lotta fun.

Just look at it this way, it is better than if you were calling Trees a racist to her face, because she would prolly punch your chump ass lights out.

What you have done here is taken an innocent, positive, approving comment out of context and played the racist card against the poster, and most of the rest of us, too.

The name calling is in lieu of any expectation that a reasonable retort would have any impact on such a pathetic excuse for a human being.

Just look at it this way, it is better than if you were calling Trees a racist to her face, because she would prolly punch your chump ass lights out.

for example, that Hillary would believe it is OK to change her syntax when talking to African-americans

Damn, you are stupid.

for example, that Hillary would believe it is OK to change her syntax when talking to African-americans

Damn, you are stupid.

Yav,

Didn't Hillary really do that??

Hi Eberly,

Didn't Hillary really do that??

Yes, she did. She did it at her speech in Selma on the anniversary of "Bloody Sunday" (US version). Her entire speech was normal in her tone and affect until she quoted James Cleveland poem and hymn I Don't Feel No Ways Tired. She quoted that one part in the dialect/affect in which it is performed. As I pointed out to Bowa earlier, he's not the best judge of Clinton wrt intent. That would be better left to those in attendance where it was extremely well received.

You see, they "got it" because they knew what she was saying and the source. It's all about context.