Just goes to show that the Bush Administration is so smart and so clever that they've even convinced Khakid Sheik Mohammed that he plotted the attack.

Everyone knows it was Rove and PNAC right Tony?

Certainly IS interesting.
Especially given that that crowd has shown no restraint-I've no doubt they tortured him until they got the statement they wanted.

NO! I am Spartacus!

If they're going to torture anyone they'd torture him. Anything he says at this point is worthless. Frankly, anything reported from those kangaroo courts is worthless.

09/11/01? Definitely responsible in my mind. The rest of it? I think he may be confabulating a bit. He's always viewed himself as a terrorist "mastermind" but he's really the anti-Anna Nicole Smith. He's dying to draw attention to himself but does it in a way that physically harms innocent people.

He's a nasty bit of work and the world would be better off locking him in a cell at the bottom of a deep, dark hole and forgetting where they put the key.

Just think if Bush had been half as productive as this clown. No 9-11, Osama in a box, we wouldn't be taking orders from King Suckmyoilydick...

Confessions offered under torture are meaningless.

Due to the matter-of-fact manner in which the gentleman proffered his admission, tentatively might lead one to cautiously accept his declaration on face value, no matter the questionable circumstances of how "vigorously" they might have extracted his confession; but I must admit I harbor a persistent, nagging suspicion that he may be purposely throwing himself on the sword to facilitate others in being able to duplicate or even surpass the original event through his martyrial misdirection. As our fellow poster Audrey Hepburn might put it, "Him? Responsible for 9/11? Hardly...I mean have you seen his picture in the soiled T-shirt? The fellow can't even comb his hair."

Darthster...you may be more correct than you can imagine. If it becomes fashionable for every jihad-happy terrorist-wannabe to get in front of a camera and start claiming responsibility, our black ops services will be quite busy engaged in a never-ending game of International Wack-A-Mole.

Yeah! Right! If Bush and cabal say so we have no choice but to believe.......yep, I with ya.

Gitmo is secret no one is available to confirm such who can be actually trusted to give us the actual truth......wasted story!

I don't like it. Posters are accusing our gov't of condoning and even utilizing torture, and I have to wonder if they're right in this case too.

Really don't like that.

Dutch46, Cary Grant once said that even he wished he could be Cary Grant from time to time. To do what he has confessed doing doesn't take style, glamour, wit, or even verve - it just takes someone who's willing to slaughter thousands of innocent people to glorify himself and not a contestant on Queer Eye for the Terrorist Guy.

He is the self-confessed creator of "Project Bojinko," the downing of nine out of ten hi-jacked planes into the sea (the tenth he would pilot himself into LAX, land it then express to the gathered media that they had been attacked by Al-Queda. The plan, both megolomaniacal and overly complex was reportedly simplified to what we saw by OSB.

Make that Whack-A-Mole. Hmmmm...on second thought, I like the Bugs Bunny spelling better.

(crickets)

Too hip for the room, I guess.

"Matter-of-fact way this gentleman offered this admission..."

I've no doubt this fellow is scum of the earth. But if I could hook someone to electrodes for several years, I dare say I could train him to sound matter-of-fact, or speak in pig Latin on cue.

Zed, as much as we have to accept the possibility that a confession was coerced from him we also have to consider the possibility that he is being entirely truthful.

What needs to happen is to bring him into a courtroom.

I agree entirely.

What raised my suspicions was the way he also fessed up to being solely responsible for the 1993 World Trade Center attack, the guy who tried to set off a bomb in his shoe, that nightclub thing in Bali--all that and dozens of other dastardly deeds, attemped or not. You guys might want to believe he's your guy, but I want to see how deep the rabbit hole goes. Somebody financed him, facilitated him, trained him. It just struck me as a little too conveniently wrapped up for me to accept his confession at face value. But you're right...lets see how he sings in court.

Apparently you guys don't know the history of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. The guy was the Al-Qaeda Chief of Operations and Planning. If anyone had a hand in plotting 9/11 it was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Ramzi Binalshibh, who is also at Gitmo, said that he received his marching orders from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. It was his plan. We suspected this before we captured him in March 2003. Why did we suspect this? Because every Al-Qaeda terrorist we were capturing who was in the know told us that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed planned the operation.

This isn't information that they would hold from the military intel guys and the CIA. They would probably spout out this information with pride. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has gone on record as saying that, at one point, TEN aircraft were to be used on 9/11 to hit targets on both the East and West coasts. Bin Laden himself scaled back the size of the operation to 4 or 5 jets.

You guys might not be willing to trust a confession out of a guy who has been tortured. But I highly doubt that all of the other Al-Qaeda operatives we have caught would have given the same name under torture had they not known who it was. As such...every Al-Qaeda operative in custody has named Khalid Sheikh Mohammed the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks.

If you are worried about security then we should put you in prison, you will be in a place with the greatest security.

You guys just don't get it yet, do you? These people would like to convert you by force, and barring that,kill you. Personally. You and I,in all our variations are anethma to everything they believe. Also all the Shiites (heretics)and Buddhist, Taoist,Animist, Christians,athiest, reformed Druids whatever. They are armed and dedicated religous zealots.

For those of you who fear Christians just fill in the following sentence," Those intolerant murdering zealot ( {fill in the name of your most hated versions} _____________)will never allow me to live my life the way I want. Churn up in your imagination the most horrible theocracy you can imagine, and thats the plan.

The world is beautiful place filled with love and happiness. And wolves that gather on the mountains to eat the sheep in the valley. Be glad you have your own wolves.

911 scholars chime in here! You know TonyRoma Buffalo Bob etc...

DR left proving their hatred (for the USA) daily!

Where are those thermite taking points? Where are those planes that never crashed? The cell phones that never could have connected? T Beamer and company?

How did GW and the CIA keep everybody who was in on it quiet??
I'm waiting for someone to say this trial is just a way to get attention off of GW and Gonzales. Have you hated a neocon today>

HRC is "your" man. A Hugo Chavez in a skirt! ENJOY!!!!!

"Be glad you have your own wolves...."

To a wolf, everyone looks like a meal.

This is obviously just a coerced confession. There is no way a terrorist could admit to planning 9/11 since that attack was orchestrated by our government. A video showing mohammed atta in the cockpit would not convince me since that obviously could be faked by our government who controls everything. Anyways, I'm sure his testimony conflicts with the real facts. Thermite thermite thermite, bush bush, molten steel, missiles detonations.

-Official Statement of the Tony Roma and Buffalo Bob Society

Gitmo is secret no one is available to confirm such who can be actually trusted to give us the actual truth

Posted by moneywar at 2007-03-15 12:10 AM | Reply

Moneywar is now in favor of 'outing' secret, undercover operatives, in the name of openness.

Now we know what the Left believes.

You know, OBL could be captured admit to everything in a national press conference and still some of the people on this site would claim conspiracy.

Outside of that just be lunacy, it is just plain sad that some Americans have that much hate and distrust in their country. My take is if it is so bad then leave, I am sure France will welcome you with open arms...

On a side note, I wonder what is in store for NYC and the rest of the country for that matter should that police officers get acquitted by the grand jury...

"That much hate and distrust in their country...."

The country is fine. However, your government employs torturers. Why not ask them to leave? Just a question.

RIGHT!!! And only the Republicans have ever done anything related to this.... Way to pick and choose ZED...

Zed,
You sure don't look like a meal to me. I know where I feed.

Your pal,trooper the wolf

I'm sure you're fine fellow, Trooper, as are most that come here.

The obvious irony of all this is if the "wolves" in question worked for Iran we'd say how evil they all are and find some reason to start a war with them.

Hypocrisy is not a good guiding principle for anything.

Zed,
I like wolves. As a wolf, I find others of my kind most interesting. I just get pissed when those other wolves try to attack the sheep in my vally. The grayer my coat turns, the fonder I've become of the sheep - though I sure don't understand them. Stiil, they are a lot of fun to hang out with at music fests and book stores.

I'm not sure I want to be a sheep or a wolf.



Can I be a platypus, instead?

This just in...
KSM: I Killed Cock Robbin

This just in...
KSM: I Killed Cock Robbin

Breaking:

He has also confessed to shooting JR and killing Laura Palmer.

Don't forget the Lindberg baby!

Don't forget the Lindberg baby!

I'm thinking he may BE the Lindbergh baby.

Somebody should ask him about Judge Crater's whereabouts.

Didn't KSM hang out at Jack Ruby's Carousel burlesque club, too?

Be glad you have your own wolves.

Regardless of the validity of the information obtained from Mohammed, trooper expresses valid points in his entry.

It is very likely that the faith/culture of islam considers us (the "west") as one of their greatest enemies and have for millennia. By enemy, I referring to the "death to all enemies" type. All those jihads and other holy things over the centuries (the Moors and the like). It does not appear that they have made much of an effort to hide this "viva us and death to the infidel" strategy over the years either.

What Americans do about this, is up to ya'll.

No REVDARK..I don't think I may be the Lindbergh baby...as you state.. or whatever you were trying to say...but thanks for the spelling correction......what are you the spelling police?

Wait a minute you think Kahlid....may BE the lindbergh baby...sorry I thought you were busting balls for misspelling a name....if he is the Lindbergh baby..that's one ugly baby!

I also shot a deaf mute viet cong toddler in the back.
Sincerely,
Khalid F. Kerry

Looks pretty good for a 76 year old.

No REVDARK..I don't think I may be the Lindbergh baby...as you state.. or whatever you were trying to say...but thanks for the spelling correction......what are you the spelling police?

Ummm...no. To be honest, I didn't even notice the mispelling. I was just being a wise-ass.

REVDARKO..O.K....a wise ass I can deal with HEY..Chairborne...welcome....
..glad to see you crawled out from under the rock, where you were hiding.

Welcome back, 101.

And, yeah, Comedian I'm the LAST one who you need to worry about as correcting pelling. I type like a blind spastic on methamphetamines.

By the way, Comedian, are you my brother? He usually uses the name "Comedian" on line.

I'm the LAST one who you need to worry about as correcting pelling.

See what I mean?

"These people would like to convert you by force, and barring that,kill you."

Posted by trooper at 2007-03-15 04:29 AM

Sounds familiar:

"...we should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

- Ann Coulter

Pelling...P-e-l-l-i-n-g www.east-himalaya.com

From the look of it, there is no need for anyone to correct Pelling.

Oh, and welcome back, 101!

;0)

Hans

Ann would look good in a Burkha.

REVDARKO....actually I had a brother but he died in 1993.....so I don't think we are related...unless of course you are him, and we are both dead already and we are living in a dream world, where crazy people take us to war for no reason.....wait...wait....oh my God.....wake me up in Nov of 08

Hans,

according to dictionary.com:

facetious /f'si's/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fuh-see-shuhs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
adjective 1. not meant to be taken seriously or literally: a facetious remark.
2. amusing; humorous.
3. lacking serious intent; concerned with something nonessential, amusing, or frivolous: a facetious person.

{Removing foot from mouth}

Sorry for bringing that up, Comedian.

You can call me brother if you want, though.

"according to dictionary.com"

Irrelavant

Ir*rel"a*vant, a. Not relevant; not applicable or pertinent; not bearing upon or serving to support; foreign; extraneous; as, testimony or arguments irrelevant to a case. -- Ir*rel"a*vant*ly, adv.

Hans

according to dictionary.com:

deflection /dflk'n/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[di-flek-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
noun 1. the act or state of deflecting or the state of being deflected.
2. amount of deviation.
3. the deviation of the indicator of an instrument from the position taken as zero.
4. Optics. deviation (def. 5a).
5. Military. the angle formed by the line of sight to the target and the line of sight to the point at which a gun is aimed so as to strike the target.
6. Electronics. (in a cathode-ray tube) the bending by a magnetic field of the beam of electrons leaving the electron gun.

Also, British, deflexion.

moreover, how is twisting ann coulter's facetious and out-of-context remark in order to make a point irrelevent?

"Also, British, deflexion."

non sequitur /nn skwt'r, -t'r; Lat. non skwt'r/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[non sek-wi-ter, -toor; Lat. nohn se-kwi-toor] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
noun 1. Logic. an inference or a conclusion that does not follow from the premises.
2. a statement containing an illogical conclusion.

Hans

"...how is twisting ann coulter's facetious and out-of-context remark..."

LOL!

Now you're being facetious, right?

Please assure us you're not being serious.

Hans

you didn't answer my question.

REVDARKO....no problem...brother...BTW..he use to beat me up when we were kids...and although I'm sorry he's gone...... he hasn't laid a hand on me in years!!!

Comedian, my brother, though truly twisted, that gets a funny flag.

"you didn't answer my question."

Your facetious comment ("how is twisting ann coulter's...") was meant as a question?

Again, please assure us you're not being serious.

Hans

Sounds familiar:



"...we should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

- Ann Coulter


I thought that sounded familiar.

Thanks, trooper.

Hans
Posted by Hans


Counter is a satirist. She doesn't believe what she says.
On the other hand, Bill Maher does believe what she says. In addition, Bill Maher believes what HE says!!! i.e. 650K Iraqis killed by Prez Bush! That kind of ignorance is dangerous.

"She doesn't believe what she says."

Nobody believes what she says.

So?

Or are you saying that trooper doesn't believe what he's saying ("These people would like to convert you by force, and barring that,kill you.")...

... just like you claim colter doesn't believe what she's saying ("...we should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.")?

Hans

usually, when a sentence ends in a question mark (i.e "?"), it indicates that the sentence is a question. apparently, something i said appeared irrelevent to you, and since you posted the definition of irrelevent subsequent to my definition of facetious, i made the reasonable assumption that it was in response to my definition. so i'll ask it again. how is her facetious comment irrelevent?

please don't tell me you don't realize it was facetious?

"The world is beautiful place filled with love and happiness. And wolves that gather on the mountains to eat the sheep in the valley. Be glad you have your own wolves.

Posted by trooper"

+1, trooper !!!

We need to celebrate OUR wolves, and be happy that we have them.

A few other "sigs" I've used over time:

"It is useless for sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion."
William Ralph Inge, D.D> 1860 1954

When they kick at your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun?
- Clash-Guns of Brixton

".....The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf..... if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself... "Baa."

Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay; and claims a halo for his dishonesty."
-Robert A. Heinlein

"Diplomacy - the art of saying `Nice doggie' 'til you can find a stick."

When ammunition is the currency, the unarmed will make either good farmhands or good fertilizer.

and my favorite, not sure who to attribute it to:
"Rough men stand on walls, so that you may sleep calmly in your beds".

"..something i said appeared irrelevent to you, and since you posted the definition of irrelevent subsequent to my definition of facetious"

My, you're quick. Impressive!*

"...how is her facetious comment irrelevent?"

Her comment wasn't "facetious."

It was your definition of facetious which was irrelevant.

Hans

* - See: sarcasm

"Admitted 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed told a U.S. military tribunal he personally beheaded Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl in 2002, the Pentagon revealed today.

"I decapitated with my blessed right hand the head of the American Jew, Daniel Pearl, in Karachi Pakistan," said a Pentagon transcript. "For those who would like to confirm, there are pictures of me on the Internet holding his head."

He also confessed to the Lindbergh Kidnapping, sinking the Lusitania, and took responsibility for those hard plastic packages that you need scizzors to open.

"Walk softly and carry a big stick"

- Teddy Roosevelt

As per usual, Shrubby and the Rethugs only manage to get things half right.

I know war as few other men now living know it, and nothing to me is more revolting. I have long advocated its complete abolition, as its very destructiveness on both friend and foe has rendered it useless as a method of settling international disputes.
- General Douglas MacArthur

and my favorite, not sure who to attribute it to:

"Rough men stand on walls, so that you may sleep calmly in your beds".

Col. Nathan R. Jessep?

Hans

"I spent thirty-three years and four months in active service in the country's most agile military force, the Marines. I served in all ranks from second lieutenant to major general. And during that period I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

"I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all members of the military profession I never had an original thought until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

"Thus I helped make Mexico, and especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. "I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the raping of half-a-dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers and Co. in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras 'right' for American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

"During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. I was rewarded with honors, medals, and promotion. Looking back on it, I feel that I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate a racket in three city districts. The Marines operated on three continents."

--Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler (former Commandant, U.S. Marine Corps), Common Sense, November 1935

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in a final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed--those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending its money alone--it is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."

--Dwight Eisenhower, Speech (1953)

Her comment wasn't "facetious."

LMAO!

good one.

Funny that guys like typical 9/11 wackos aren't here...

They are the equivolent to moon landing conspiracy theorists... They'll shape and twist and spin any tiny piece of footage or a quote to fit their conspiracy, but as soon as someone brings up the fact that our astronauts left a mirror on the moon that scientists here fire lasers at to conduct experiments they all fall silent...

Khalid Sheik Mohammed's confession is a square peg to their round holes so they ignore it... its really quite cowardly.

Welcome back 101, people were worried that if you had died or something (including some of your biggest detractors, I might add).

IMO I think the scope of his confession has marginal relevancy so long as he remains locked up.

If Bin Laden wasn't involved in 9/11 then KSM's "confession" is rendered obsolete.

And it he was then you look even sillier than you do now.

Says who Wberly,,,the FBI?:>)

If Bin Laden wasn't involved in 9/11 then KSM's "confession" is rendered obsolete.

And it he was then you look even sillier than you do now.


Posted by eberly at 2007-03-15 03:19 PM


You source a crackpot from the UK as factual? Didn't that clown investigate something about Bush being behind the Reagan assasination attempt?

Didn't OBL through an audio or video make a statement when he was being congratulated for the attack saying just wait there will be another plane crashing?

Didn't we obtain the computers used by KSM??

Nah!! He couldn't look any sillier....

Hey Bani, Any other Conspiracies your vast intellect wants to enlighten us with...

Jesus I swear you people have nothing better to do than to sit around and think up this dumb stuff and then publicly profess it..

No wonder you libs hate the repubs so much... While we are out making the money you are thinking of ways to spend it...

Give Bani a break, the rest of the Tin-foil hat brigade (Tony, Beefalo Boob, RLR) are on another thread.

"While we are out making the money you are thinking of ways to spend it..."

Posted by armyof1 at 2007-03-15 03:49 PM

I'm curious, as I'm sure most are:

You're posting here.

You're out making money.

How do you do both at the same time?

Hans

I'm curious, as I'm sure most are:

Posted by Hans at 2007-03-15 03:55 PM

Curious why you chose to respond to Army Of One's obvious sarcastic post and not Bani.

PS CRispeed...try discrediting the Prof...next time...he wrote the 'novel' "March 31" ~ not Tom F.

Nathan Blumberg was is name:>)

ps what's your shill handle?

PS CRispeed...try discrediting the Prof...next time...he wrote the 'novel' "March 31" ~ not Tom F.


Maybe you shouldn't have sourced your buddy Tom Flocco. Then I wouldn't have to source the fact he is a fucking nutcase.

Not sure what shill handle is....

shill (shl) Pronunciation Key n. One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to dupe bystanders into participating in a swindle. ...

www.iamthewitness.com

Here is another article proving your source is as whacked as your posts Bani.

Posted by crispee_oc

funi ~ you should post that website...

www.iamthewitness.com

Maybe you shouldn't have sourced your buddy Tom Flocco. Then I wouldn't have to source the fact he is a fucking nutcase.

Not sure what shill handle is....

shill (shl) Pronunciation Key n. One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to dupe bystanders into participating in a swindle. ...

Posted by crispee_oc at


typical disinfo tactic, Crisper...now about Dr. Nathan Blumberg's 'novel' "March 31":>)

ps you know Roman History, right?

"Curious why you chose to respond to Army Of One's obvious sarcastic post..."

army was being sarcastic about making money?

Hans

typical disinfo tactic, Crisper...now about Dr. Nathan Blumberg's 'novel' "March 31":>)


ps you know Roman History, right?

Posted by Bani at 2007-03-15 04:19 PM |

Is this another typical Bani conspiracy? The only Dr. Nathan Blumberg I saw found was a uroligist. Something not working below the belt Bani???

Give Bani a break, the rest of the Tin-foil hat brigade (Tony, Beefalo Boob, RLR) are on another thread.

Posted by Rightocenter

can't read very well, huh?

Tinfoil is really, really lame these days, but go for what worked for you in the past:>)

Is this another typical Bani conspiracy? The only Dr. Nathan Blumberg I saw found was a uroligist. Something not working below the belt Bani???

Posted by crispee_oc

You didn't look veri hard then:>)

nice deflection though to sex stuff

maybe this will help you pass the time today here

www.flirt4free.com

later...off to auto show:>)

later...off to auto show:>)

Posted by Bani at 2007-03-15 04:44 PM

I wonder if that is code for the Star Trek Convention....

It was established before the confession that KLM was the money man behind Ramzi Yoesef's plots to kill the Pope in the Philippines, and the Bojinka plot to put bombs on airliners. They both had something to do with the 93 bomb at the World Trade center.

So his confession only confirms this.

He'll be joining Ramzi (his nephew) at the SuperMax if they don't hang the bastard first.

Some of ya'll are mighty proud of the amount of words you spew out. Correct or not.

Whatever your opinion is on KSM's involvement, or whether or not this is due to 4 years of continuous torture and Stockholm Syndrome, it's clearly a another 'wag the dog' strategy to defer attention from the growing White House scandals.

'Remember people, it's about terror. It's about Al Qaeda. It's about 9/11. It's about our security and freedom!'

Bani says"
It all boils down to whether you trust a Pakistani newspaper or a press release from a heavily redacted secret military tribunal of a tortured detainee conducted by individuals representative of an oligarchy whose every deception, gross violation of U.S. law, and act of imperial bloodletting over the last six years rests on maintaining the orthodoxy of the official 9/11 myth."

Oh does it? What lame twisted logic do you use Bani? Your whole stream of horseshit skips from one stupid question to another, as if your first question is some cutting wisdom, and therefore you can follow it up with another, and another. Why deal in facts when you can tapdance around the subject without a shred of logic. Go fuck your self douchebag.

The hatred towards the US by the dr left, AND their STUPIDITY proven daily!!!!!

I am suspicious that the confession is not legitimate, because he did not confess to shooting JR!

Khakid Sheik Mohammed confessed even the killing of Jesus Christ.

His confessions are very similar to the confession of witches.

don't get me started on TWA ~ 800...Mike:>)

Certainly IS interesting.
Especially given that that crowd has shown no restraint-I've no doubt they tortured him until they got the statement they wanted.

Posted by frankf55 at 2007-03-14 10:40 PM | Reply | Flag

No doubt this unfortunate victim of the heinous Bush administration torture regime is an innocent caught up in the machinations of the PNAC lust for world domination. Lefties should pass the hat for his legal defense fund.

Arpac maybe?