THIS STORY of unprecedented moral hypocrisy is the reason I have always wanted Nutty Newty to run. It never got the play that it deserved at the time, and now it will.

Also

"... you cannot accept ... perjury in your highest officials."

Of course, he didn't mean that to apply to conservative Republican former Aides-to-the-President or Chiefs of Staff of the Vice-President. That happen to be convicted felons.

Well thanks to liberal bloggers today perhaps we won't have to endure Newt running.

You guys should hold your cards longer.

That this amoral blob could get laid makes me ill.

Hilarious.

Not.

The twisted logic alone almost caused me to lose consciousness. What a hyprocritacal POS. How is it possible that they find the lowest gutter crawlers to lead and then worship them besides?!

"THIS STORY of unprecedented moral hypocrisy is the reason I have always wanted Nutty Newty to run."

Sure thing Corky. A better way of saying it would be, "last week while talking from my ass, I predicted Newt Gingrich would get the Republican nomination while denouncing the immorality of Giuliani." But hey, say it however you want.

Nothing new here. Newt was part of the GOP gang of debauched reps, like Bob Barr, who used money from an anti-abortion group to pay for his wife's abortion so he could marry "sanctity of marriage" wife #5.

Republicans would gladly vote for a practising child molester, as long as he offered a tax cut and a return to "Christian" values.

Hey, joe. I apologize for possibly indicating that I didn't think you were an idiot the other day on the nooner. I was wrong.

most right wingers dont like newt anyway, at least not as a presidential canidate.
but mabye we can say good bye to him once and for all

Hey, dave. Thanks for your insightful comments.

It's an old story, Joe.

Someday it will dawn on you that just because you are ignorant of something, doesn't mean everyone else is.

As a matter of fact, there appear to be a multitude of things just like that.

Dorky-

When did I say I didn't know about Newt's affair? I was merely referencing your posts last week denouncing Giuliani as being too immoral for the fundies in the south and praising Newt.

On a side note, the picture of Newt in the article is hilarious.

You guys should hold your cards longer.

Posted by eberly


Maybe so. Newt just got this story out so he could be more like Randy Rudy, who seems to be doing well.

Now if only McCain could come up with something? A mistress, naw there ain't that much Viagra. How about a black baby... yeah!!

You will notice that Newt picked an opportunity to "get this out there", where the interviewer could give him Southern "christian" absolution.

The very idea of somebody (anybody) having sex with Newt is so mind-boggling I'm speechless.

the picture of Newt in the article is hilarious

His finger gets stuck like that sometimes.

It's from the old days as a backbencher in Congress, when he would throw bombs with the other hand.

Newt has a long history of major screw-ups that go far beyond what most Americans view as responsible. Even if he was caught doing one of those things, they would be viewed as a complete loser.

I quickly looked and found a weak website, but the information is correct and can be verified.

I think the final straw was Newt being caught getting a blow job in his office. Asking your wife for a divorse while she is recovering from cancer surgery because she was not pretty enough in his eyes to be a Presidental wife. Common, I would imagine Newt is still salavating for Barbra Bush

Newt really is a piece of work, isn't he? He's like Ann Coulter: right on the facts but a total pig when it comes to presentation.

HaHa you think Ann Coulter is right on the facts??

HaHa you think Ann Coulter is right on the facts??

Posted by jpw at 2007-03-09 12:09 AM | Reply

Well, she thinks people like you are retarded idiots. So, yeah, I guess I do.

Plus, you make it easy for her to be a pig

News of Newt's affair is no surprise. But he has to win the award for the most mind-blowing, in your face, I-am-doing-it-because-I-can, hypocrisy. We are talking about a full frontal assault on the intelligence of anyone listening.

Politicians of all stripes sin like this. But it takes a galactic-sized ego, Ming the Merciless on steroids, to pose as a defender of Moral Values at the same time.

"Politicians of all stripes sin like this. But it takes a galactic-sized ego, Ming the Merciless on steroids, to pose as a defender of Moral Values at the same time."

Spud is take his hat off to any blogger who can work a Flash Gordon reference into a Gingrich Newtering post!

Remember Yogi Bear?

"Smarter than the average Bear!"

Guess Newt Gingrich is...

"Slimier than the Average Amphibian!"

Defender of Moral Values?

Ha! That's so Rich it's gingRich!

Be Well.

PS: Well and truly gone now.

My guess is that the doughboy had to pay for sex one way or another!

This story is beyond belief. NOT that he had an affair, but that you all feel it's even worthy of mention. Does this mean you despise anyone who had an affair, while in public office?


HA!!!!!!!!!!!

If he was Barney Frank banging gay prostitutes on gov bankrolls, you'd scream Discrimination! If he was Hugh Grant he'd be a cause celebrite for the dr left. If he was Jim McGreevey he'd be your proud Gay American. If he was Prez getting BJ's from an intern in the Oval Office he'd your hero...oh, yeah clinton is your hero!

When the democrats kick Ted Kennedy out of their party,then they will be unhypocritical when they pass judgement on Newt.

Well thanks to liberal bloggers today perhaps we won't have to endure Newt running.

You guys should hold your cards longer.

Posted by eberly at 2007-03-08 10:13 PM | Reply

Well if we do hold them longer then the right bitches that it is all political and we knew about this a long time ago.

Does this mean you despise anyone who had an affair, while in public office?


Posted by DavetheWave at 2007-03-09 06:39 AM | Reply |

No, but we despise people who have affairs while seeking the impeachment of someone over an affair.

Wouldn't you say that is a little hypocritical of Newt?

You still failing to see the connection?

Spud,

The Republicrap party of "moral values" and "rule of law" has very convincingly exposed itself as the party of "don't do as I do, DO AS I SAY".

From discriminating against homosexuals while allowing gay porn actors an "all access" pass to the white house to preaching family values while losing millions in casinos and having numerous affairs their actions speak louder than words.

No actions have spoken louder in the last week than the firing of the prosecutors that were working on cases involving Republicraps.

The neocon fifteen minutes is almost up, time to pay the bar tab.

No, but we despise people who have affairs while seeking the impeachment of someone over an affair.

It wasn't "over an affair". Clinton was being impeached for"perjury", the same thing that Libby was just convicted of.

Wouldn't you say that is a little hypocritical of Newt?

No. Newt never perjured himself.

I think Cory is right this is a trial balloon to see how the story will play and James Dobson doing the interview... what a co-ink-a-dink the pillar of religious right giving his blessing for Newt's less than moral behavior.

It's pretty ironic that many on the Left are now condemning the Right and Republicans for not being "moral" enough.

It's almost as if they all of a sudden woke up and realized that all people on the Right were not religious fanatics or single-issue driven extremists.

It's pretty ironic that many on the Left are now condemning the Right and Republicans for not being "moral" enough.

It's almost as if they all of a sudden woke up and realized that all people on the Right were not religious fanatics or single-issue driven extremists.



Posted by Bowa


What utter bullshit the right isn't being condemned for morals. It being pointed out the utter duplicity and hubris.

In addition to being a hypocrite,Newt displayed that vaunted conservative compassion when he served divorce papers to his wife who had just emerged from cancer surgery.

Gingrich's sleeze factor facts acquire greater detail over time, though the sharp image of him having his wife (a cancer pateint) served with divorce papers while she was in hospital possesses a quality of rancid piquancy that's hard to beat. Should play well with the "family values" crowd.

What utter bullshit the right isn't being condemned for morals.

Of course they are. The attacks by the Left on Giuliani and Newt are deceptive. Not so much for "having affairs" but because they have not lived up to the morals that many on the Left say the Right should require of them.

If the Right doesn't act the way, the Left expects the Right to act - then the Right is branded "hypocrites"

It's a strawman.

My argument is that the Right has never been as draconian and monolithic as so many on the Left portray them to be.

And the Left is starting to wake up to that fact. And it frightens them.

The rightnuts can't have it both ways. They can't pose as national schoolmarms, defenders of of God, Mom and Apple pie and then at the same time ask to be held to lower standards.

FDR, don't you really mean:

"The leftnuts can't have it both ways. They can't pose as moral relativists and defenders of the lowest common denominator and then at the same time ask those they dislike to be held to higher standards then they hold themselves or anyone that agrees with them to."

Bowa -

It was pretty draconian for Congressmen Gingrich, Livingstone, Chenoweth, Hyde and other avatars of the right to be bashing Clinton during the day for Lewinski, while having committed the very same behavior.

Monolithic or not, the Republican Party of the last several decades has made it official propaganda to assert an alleged "moral values" superiority over their political opponents. It is understandable rightnuts want to run from that when trouble brews for one of their own, but it is a fact.

and once again I was all ready to attack the left here and as I scroll down I see that bowa has already kicked thier ass into a bloody pulp.

the line about ted kennedy was the best of the day already.....
I mean how in the hell can the left still listen to a MURDERER and then get on here and talk shit to us about newt....who by the way is still the LEADING CANDIDATE on the bl2 political network..
I would think that most of you on the left would salute him for his cheating on his wife. you sure do love little BJ billy boy from arkansas because of it....

OOPS....wait it was only a blowjob and have we ever really gotten to the definition of what the word IS.....is?

oh yeah bowa...forgot......

KABOOOOOMMMM....thats the exposion from the kennedy line and watch soon for this thread to disappear....they just cant stand this kind of jabs to the heart......

It was pretty draconian for Congressmen Gingrich, Livingstone, Chenoweth, Hyde and other avatars of the right to be bashing Clinton during the day for Lewinski, while having committed the very same behavior.

They all perjured themselves under oathlike Clinton did?

I don't think so.

It was pretty draconian for Congressmen Gingrich, Livingstone, Chenoweth, Hyde and other avatars of the right to be bashing Clinton during the day for Lewinski, while having committed the very same behavior.

They all perjured themselves under oathlike Clinton did?

I don't think so.

FDR,

The clamor with Clinton was regarding whether or not he perjured himself in the Paula Jones case.


Also, your logic works 2 ways. The Democrats are in NO position to attack anyone for having an affair, after the way they so ferociously defended such behavior when it was Clinton who was philandering.

fdr and others....just look at I guess you would call irony from this subject...

for years now the leftists have excused clinton over and over and over.....so now we all certainly understand the call of hypocracy from your side but isnt it even more hypocritical of the left to talk shit about newt.......is this another example of the music goes round and round and round where they all do it and they are all the same and maybe we should put term limits on each and every office in the entire government.....

FDR,

Your point is befuddling.

Are you saying Republicans shouldn't be allowed to vote for Newt or Rudy because of their extra-marital affairs?


Most voters are pragmatic. Most are realistic enough to recognize that they can never get EVERYTHING they want in a candidate. Thus, when choosing who to vote for, they total the sum of the parts and vote for the candidate who most closely represents their views and interests.

There is nothing hypocritical about that.

right jeff.....and lest see.......paula jones....and how many others on the clinton merrygoround......


and I have always sort of let BJ slide a little in this matter.....I mean with hillary at home.....there is a little twinge inside me saying......well, who could blame him.....and I wonder if hillary all of a sudden starts talking like a black southerner during orgasm like she did this week......
(you know, thats a pretty ugly thing to be thinking of, isnt it?'

sorry bout that......

Monolithic or not, the Republican Party of the last several decades has made it official propaganda to assert an alleged "moral values" superiority over their political opponents.


If by "moral values" you mean that the republican party is among other things anti-drug, anti-pornography, believes in the sanctity of marriage, and believes that parents should have as much control as possible about what kind of curriculum is being taught their children in school, then yes. Those are "moral values" positions that define the GOP.

But why do you say that the GOP's "moral superiority" over these positions is any different from the democrats who believe by not having these positions makes them "morally superior" tothe republicans?
It seems to me like both democrats and republicans are always claiming moral superiority over the other.

Bowa -

Democrats have never "posed as moral relativists" or "defenders of the lowest common denominator" - that is a line from a Limbaugh or Coulter spiel, not a serious argument. If you truly believe that, then that leaves precious little room for discussion.

Clinton's actions, and those of Kennedy, were deplored by many Democrats. Chappaquidick is one of the main reasons Kennedy never won the nomination for President. And enough Democrats crossed over in 2000, either to vote for Nader, to vote for Bush, or to stay home, out of disgust with the Lewinski affair, to put Dubya in office. The straw man has been that Democrats as a whole approve of what these men did. That has not been the case.

The GOP mistake during Lewinski was to go too far and to expose their own hypocrisy (see above). I think if the right hadn't tried to remove Clinton from office the political damage to his Presidency would have been even worse - the rightnuts excess rescued Bubba.

Democrats are not asking for Gingrich to be held to a higher standard. They are only asking he be held to the standards he himself demands of others.

This is really not that complicated.

If the Right doesn't act the way, the Left expects the Right to act - then the Right is branded "hypocrites"


No if the right doesn't act the way the right wants everybody else to act we call them hypocrites.

Just another reason why family values, at least the right's interpretation of them, are absolute bull shit.

See you in obscurity Newt.

Bowa, are you saying that Gingrich never criticized Clinton for the affair? Are you saying Newt only criticized Clinton for lying about the affair?

so did you mean to tell us that you wer obscure?

and I dont buy that anyway......newt will get into the race at a later time and be a force among the candidates.....


but here is something funny I heard on the radio the other night..

everyone is so worried about romny being a morman with all of thier wifes and all that......and now it looks like with rudy and newt....that the mormon will be the only candidate with the just one wife....pretty funny dont you think????

Democrats have never "posed as moral relativists" or "defenders of the lowest common denominator" - that is a line from a Limbaugh or Coulter spiel, not a serious argument. If you truly believe that, then that leaves precious little room for discussion.


Come on FDR, If you don't believe that many democrats see no difference between the actions of President Bush and the actions of Hitler or Saddam then you are fooling yourself.

The democrats mantra seems to be "who are we to judge others" which they apply to the entire world except Bush and the GOP, and theChristian Rightof course.

JeffJ -

Republicans can vote for whomever they want.

However, if you nominate Rudy or Newt, be prepared for the guffaws the first time either one of them stands up and tries to lecture the nation on the "sanctity of marriage."

As far as hypocrisy, the issue here is Newt's, not the average voters. I agree with you wholeheartedly that voters are wiser than the political consultants and can separate out the essential qualities they want in a public servant. Otherwise, how else to explain Clinton defeating Bush and Dole. The personal lives of either man were much more pristine than Clinton's, but voters recognized Clinton's other abilities made up for it.

IMO, Newt is a hypocrite and embarrassment to the Republican Party.
He, of all people should have known better.

Bowa -

Ahhhh, the first Hitler reference! Too bad, this thread was getting interesting.

Bowa, are you saying that Gingrich never criticized Clinton for the affair?

I don't know, did he? Please link to some of Newt's quotes at the time.

Are you saying Newt only criticized Clinton for lying about the affair?

I'm saying that is what Newt said in the article. Obviously, if you pull up some quotes Newt said at the time condemning Clinton for just having the affair that would prove him to be hypocritical. But at least from what he says in this article, that is not the case:

"I drew a line in my mind that said, 'Even though I run the risk of being deeply embarrassed, and even though at a purely personal level I am not rendering judgment on another human being, as a leader of the government trying to uphold the rule of law, I have no choice except to move forward and say that you cannot accept ... perjury in your highest officials."

Ahhhh, the first Hitler reference! Too bad, this thread was getting interesting.

Fdr, you are trying to diminish my argument by trying to connect it to Limbaugh or Coulter because you really don't have a response.

Tryingto further diminsih it because I dared to bring upthe fact that numerous democrats have compared Bush to Hitler, is also proof you don't have a response.

Just face it FDR, many Democrats are as guilty of claiming "moral superiority" as the republicans. And the "moral superiority" they claim is that they are in no position to pass judgement on anyone (but will of course judge and condemn all those who do).

This was the major defense of Clinton's excesses, and it is one ofthe major reasons so many Democrats awant us out of Iraq ("Who are we to decide that democracy is good for another country?")

Have to run, but I will make one last comment.

If the GOP had cared 1/10th as much about what was in Dubya's briefing papers as they did about what was in Clinton's briefs, we would not be in the mess we are in Iraq.

"I drew a line in my mind that said, 'Even though I run the risk of being deeply embarrassed, and even though at a purely personal level I am not rendering judgment on another human being, as a leader of the government trying to uphold the rule of law, I have no choice except to move forward and say that you cannot accept ... perjury in your highest officials."


How convenient.

I am busy today but will try to find some quotes. If anyone else has free time I would like to see what Newt had to say about the affair one way or the other because I really don't know and those were honest questions. I wouldn't be surprised if Newt withheld judgment at the time considering he was cheating on his wife at the same time. However, he was still pushing the family values bull shit while banging another woman who wasn't his wife at the time; now that is hypocritical.

NEWT...the best the GOP has to offer....looking good in 08

"...I scroll down I see that bonehead has already kicked thier ass into a bloody pulp."

Bwahahahahahhahahahaha!!!

Thanx, buttlover, I needed a good laff this morning.

Jimmy sez...

"The Republicrap party of "moral values" and "rule of law" has very convincingly exposed itself as the party of "don't do as I do, DO AS I SAY"

Agreed.

Culture of Lies.
Politics of Hate.
Hypocrisy incarnate.

""I drew a line in my mind that said, 'Even though I run the risk of being deeply embarrassed, and even though at a purely personal level I am not rendering judgment on another human being, as a leader of the government trying to uphold the rule of law, I have no choice except to move forward and say that you cannot accept ... perjury in your highest officials."

Run, Newt, Run!

Spud could haff SOME fun wif that!

Be Well.

PS: Note to the Right from Spud...

The Left don't luff Bubba cos he had an affair.

We luff him despite that.

"Sum of the parts",. as you say.

Wif Newt? If ya add him all up?

You just get the "scum of the parts"

Negative numbers.

PPS: Ha! Spud is up early today entering DR
stage left.

FDR is say...

"If the GOP had cared 1/10th as much about what was in Dubya's briefing papers as they did about what was in Clinton's briefs, we would not be in the mess we are in Iraq."

Strewth!

They're too blinded by the petty politics of personal power and self enrichment to get the stuff done that needs doing.

They talk the talk and then walk off in the opposite direction time after time.

Be Well.

Culture of Lies.
Politics of Hate.
Hypocrisy incarnate.


You shouldn't say such mean things about the Democratic party, Spud.

They're too blinded by the petty politics of personal power and self enrichment to get the stuff done that needs doing.

They talk the talk and then walk off in the opposite direction time after time.


Yes, it's a very sad state for the Democratic party.

"if you nominate Rudy or Newt, be prepared for the guffaws the first time either one of them stands up and tries to lecture the nation on the "sanctity of marriage."

When has Giuliani indicated an opposition to gay marriage, which would be a prerequisite for preaching about the "sanctity of marriage?"

You guys are funny.


You must have been great in middle school.

Remember that 1 day per year when a recovering alcoholic would come into class, describe his personal experiences and preach the pitfalls of alcholol consumption.

I am sure you all screamed "HYPOCRITE" at him.

The purpose of life is for working people to support real and imaginary war, religion. Divide and conquer for the sake of our fearless leaders. Partisanship, bigotry, nationalism and intolerance are central elements of a Machiavellian world. Give them your money while they entertain you.

"You shouldn't say such mean things about the Democratic party, Spud."

Eye know you are but wot am eye?

Yeah, Spud was "great in middle school"

Na-Na Na-Na Boo Boo to you too, sirrah!

Be Well.

"Give them your money while they entertain you."

Bread and Circuses = Tax "Cuts" and Cable.

Be Well.

Newt's dodge in the Dobson interview suggesting that the comparison should be about Clinton's legal culpability is just that, a well-placed Red Herring.

The point here is that Newt did play moral superior to Clinton about the sex during the day, while he was humping an intern himself at night.

Henry Hyde and a couple of others were exposed at the time, but Newt was forced to resign before we got to see the little Napoleon without his ultimately quite flimsy moral coverings.

He's like Ann Coulter: right on the facts but a total pig when it comes to presentation.

Posted by vernon at 2007-03-09 12:04 AM |

Vermin, mAnn Coulter hasn't been right on any fact on any day during her much too long of a life.

When has Giuliani indicated an opposition to gay marriage, which would be a prerequisite for preaching about the "sanctity of marriage?"

Posted by JOE at 2007-03-09 09:58 AM


I don't know, maybe while he was trying to move his mistress into the Mayoral mansion with his wife and daughter.

"Remember that 1 day per year when a recovering alcoholic would come into class, describe his personal experiences and preach the pitfalls of alcholol consumption. I am sure you all screamed "HYPOCRITE" at him." Posted by JeffJ

So adulterous behavior should be treated as a disease like alcoholism? Hadn't heard that one before.

The right really is twisting itself into pretzels trying to defend Gingrich. It is a doomed effort.

Nice deflection, Briwo. When has Giuliani ever talked about the sanctity of marriage?

When has Giuliani ever talked about the sanctity of marriage?


When has he, or Newty, ever practiced the sanctity of marriage?

"When has he, or Newty, ever practiced the sanctity of marriage?"

Why would that matter if Giuliani never held that out as an ideal for Americans to practice?

I smoked pot but i didn't inhale.. cough cough.. I know its lame but damn who really cares anyway..

Joe-
re: Why would that matter if Giuliani never held that out as an ideal for Americans to practice?

Because the political party he would ostensibly represent has, ad nauseam.

Joe: Given his behavior, hopefully never.
But on a side note, he has used his religion to squash free speech, I guess he's Catholic only when it suits his agenda.

"Because the political party he would ostensibly represent has, ad nauseam."

Not everyone in that party has done so. What is wrong with one of the members that hasn't held that out as an ideal running for their nomination? Do you have a problem with that? Are you afraid of someone that isn't your cookie-cutter definition of a Republican running for president?

"he has used his religion to squash free speech"

When did that happen? I'm not saying it didn't, I'm interested in hearing about it. A quick google search produced nothing.

I don't know if you can call him a hypocrite. Clinton wasn't under investigation for an affair. It was for lying and purgery. How is he a hypocrite? Did he lie under oath about it? N

Joe-
re: Not everyone in that party has done so. What is wrong with one of the members that hasn't held that out as an ideal running for their nomination? Do you have a problem with that? Are you afraid of someone that isn't your cookie-cutter definition of a Republican running for president?

I have no problem with that. In fact, I'm all for it.

YEAH!

This will only elevate Newts standings with the Fake Plastic "Conservative" crowd!

They love to watch their heroes defecate all over things like Honesty, Integrity, the actual use of Ethics, Good Taste and Common Decency while claiming to hold those things so dear! All in the name of "Christianity" of course!
Just look at the picture of Newt deep in his squinty eyed fake prayer, its almost identical to Bush's fake prayer. It's like they both used Derek Zoolander as their photo-op posing coach (the magnum prayer pose)!

All we need now is for the Fake Plastics to reanimate some ancient history as an example of how Newt is no hypocrite.
But first one must forget that Newt hasn't already anointed himself as a moral "Christian" champion at every opportunity!

Joe: Prior to 9/11 he was constantly raisinng the specter of his Catholicism while objecting to art and theater he deemed "offensive"

SKI-
re: Clinton wasn't under investigation for an affair. It was for lying and purgery.

Good. We can agree that perjury and obstruction of justice, lying to the FBI, etc. are serious criminal offences.

This is a stupid waste of tax dollars. No one was hurt. Nothing changed from what is happened, it's just a witchhunt. Now a this guy is a fellon, for what. Something he doesn't remember? Or does, it should have never gone to trial. It's not like he was withholding really important evidence. Bush should pardon him.
Posted by S_K_I_USA at 2007-03-08 10:03 AM
"Clinton wasn't under investigation for an affair. It was for lying and purgery."
Posted by S_K_I_USA at 2007-03-09 11:15 AM


YEAH!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

03-08-2007 = Lying to a Grand Jury Not so Bad (no one hurt)

03-09-2007 = Lying to a Grand Jury is really, really bad (no one hurt).

SKI-
re: No one was hurt. Nothing changed from what is happened, it's just a witchhunt.

A classified agent was outed. Her CIA front company was outed. Everyone who'd ever worked with her or the front company was compromised. Her career was ended.

Like Scooter!!

"Prior to 9/11 he was constantly raisinng the specter of his Catholicism while objecting to art and theater he deemed "offensive"

Well that's dumb. But not really unusual considering the "a la carte" Christianity that runs rampant in our society.

You have to remember that the Republican Party now espouses Marxist Doctrine while pursuing a fascist agenda.

The Ends Justify the Means as long as it favors corporations and especially the military industrial complex.

The neo-cons really are not conservatives, they are degenerate Reaganites set on expanding the American Empire despite the history of such empires.

Hypocrisy is no barrier to the Moral Majority or the Christian Coalition. They are bigots at heart and if their Golden Boy ever does return they will be castigated for their failure to heed His Teachings.

They call themselves Patriots while undermining our Constitution and and the laws of this country. They wave the Flag while tearing this country apart.

re: No one was hurt. Nothing changed from what is happened, it's just a witchhunt.

A classified agent was outed. Her CIA front company was outed. Everyone who'd ever worked with her or the front company was compromised. Her career was ended.


Posted by Boyd at 2007-03-09 11:29 AM

Big deal.

You guys are such crybabies.


Jeez!

That was rather poetic, Mike.

(I am being serious)

Newt's honesty is refreshing in today's politics. If he talks about defence of marriage though, I can't be counted on to take him seriously.

The Liberal bias against Christianity is amusing- they claim superiority over Christians based on the nutty premise that it's better to have no moral standard at all than to try to live by a moral standard and fail from time to time. When you look at it, this is eerily consistent with the Liberal stance against challenging things in general: minimize failure by either lowering the standards or removing them completely. I picture Liberals in a grand visual metaphor as a bunch of people standing on the side of the road making fun of the marathon runners who didn't win the race and demanding to be awarded medals themselves.

Great post Patriot.

Patriot,

The Liberal bias against Christianity is amusing- they claim superiority over Christians based on the nutty premise that it's better to have no moral standard at all than to try to live by a moral standard and fail from time to time.

From my perspective it's backlash. Real Americans aren't going to sit around and let others tell them how to live their lives.

I'm one of the few who realizes my beef isn't with Christianity so much as it is assholes who happen to be Christians.

Patriot who said it is best to have no moral standards? The point is that you have no right to impose your crazy religious morals on people who are not religious. Newt put himself on the pedestal and he is now getting what he deserves.

I think it is funny that republicans are circling the wagons around him when had this been a democrat they would be going nuts. It is all politics and it is all bull shit. Gingrich is a scumbag just like the rest of them.

Joe, you needed to finish your "great post" with "if you are a hypocritical conservative."

Taxman-

I don't think Patriot's post was in support of imposing moral standards on others. I think it was directed toward liberals who do all the finger-pointing at religious conservatives who at times conduct themselves in irreligious ways. I don't think he was very far from the mark in that regard.

Is irreligious a word?

With regard to anyone sticking up for Gingrich, you're right, it is all BS. Any time any public official is indicted or accused of anything improper, you can count on those that denounced that behavior from someone on the other side to stick up for their own and vice versa. It's like a big pathetic game.

I picture Liberals in a grand visual metaphor as a bunch of people standing on the side of the road making fun of the marathon runners who didn't win the race and demanding to be awarded medals themselves.

Posted by Patriot

LOL You would.

Actually its bunch of people making fun of the runner who claimed to be superior by virtue of his beliefs which he didn't practice at all.

Okay, raise your hand if you'd be willing to bed Newty.....I don't see any hands.....come on, surely there is someone out there!!!!

What a fricking lying porker.

Who would WANT to bed him? She (or he) must have been desperate...but even desperation wouldn't make me sleep with that oversized, undersized (hahaha) pig!

It's like a big pathetic game.


Exactly. It gets old after a while as well.

You may have invented a word, but I like it.

I am not saying we don't all make mistakes, we are human. My point is that religious conservatives have consciously put themselves up on a higher "moral pedestal", and when the fall they are going to fall a little harder because they have put themselves in that position.

"My point is that religious conservatives have consciously put themselves up on a higher "moral pedestal", and when the fall they are going to fall a little harder because they have put themselves in that position."

I see your point and can agree with that.

Patriot-
You today:
"When you look at it, this is eerily consistent with the Liberal stance against challenging things in general: minimize failure by either lowering the standards or removing them completely."


You a few days ago:
"A clerical worker convicted of a procedural charge?"

This is how you sum the conviction of the VP's chief of staff and advisor to the President on multiple charges of perjury, obstruction of justice, and lying to the FBI in a trial prosecuted by a Republican appointment?


Interesting dissonance.

that it's better to have no moral standard
Posted by Patriot at 2007-03-09 11:50 AM

YEAH! Define "moral standard".

Who sets the "standard"?

Are you talking about "Morality" in terms of behavior or in terms of theology?

Nice attempt at a Hans, Boyd. Unfortunately you need more congruence and html.

Joe-
I fail to see how challenging a poster's recent statements when germane to the subject they themselves raise, is in any way out of line or to be avoided. In fact, I thought that's what we were here for.

When did I say it was out of line or to be avoided? I said the two things you compared weren't necessarily similar enough to each other.

Joe-
That's not what you said, but let's skip it.

The comparison was apt and the juxtaposition of the sentiments expressed by "Patriot" in each post was even startling. "Patriot" expresses two completely different standards, and then blames some nebulous group ("Liberals") for the lowering of standards of conduct.

Joe-
Lookit. "Patriot" has obviously left the blog, so let's ditch this topic. I won't argue it if he ain't here. I'm sure you have some other issue...

that it's better to have no moral standard
Posted by Patriot at 2007-03-09 11:50 AM

YEAH! Define "moral standard".

Who sets the "standard"?

Are you talking about "Morality" in terms of behavior or in terms of theology?
Posted by Redneckville at 2007-03-09 12:27 PM


YEAH!

And yet Gingrich defiled BOTH!

I mean, you take the whole God/Church thing out of it (married in a Church of God BEFORE God) and what's left?

A commitment of Trust between two people that's what!

And WHAT is the most egregious and damaging of the two broken "commitments" mentioned above?

The LATTER!

I don't care how you measure it (in ideology or practical application) the results are the same either way ---- Gingrich is SLIME!

Not much for this thread, Boyd. We've mulled over Giuliani etc enough times for now. Why don't we just let Redneckville take over with his insane "YEAH! FAKE PLASTIC CONSERVATIVE" ranting?

Joe-
OK. Later, f******. :)

Sorry...that was so wrong.

No, it was funny. Next time grow a pair and leave it. :)

OK, that was funny. You win the yo' momma event.

"No, it was funny. Next time grow a pair and leave it. :)

Posted by JOE at 2007-03-09 01:10 PM"

Leave it... for Joe. Who could use a pair.

Monte, you're a coward!

--Joe

Republicans of his class, of Ann Coulter's class,are universally pompous. Stupidity comes naturally to them. To be a Republican leader one needs only an intelligence level slightly higher than that of a garbage maggot.

Thank God not all Republicans are like that. I would not mind seeing Rudy Giuliani in office, cleaning up Washington the way he turned NYC totally around. NYC is now rated one of the Most Safe cities in the USA. Didn't use to be that way when I lived 1/2 mile from Times Square.

Bill - LOL.

Get back to scribbling for Pravda. JeffJ

Ahh, the lunchtime lefties are at it again. Did you two have fun eyeing each other's bathing suit parts while I was gone?

At least we HAVE bathing suit parts, LIL' Joe.

No, Joe. Did you have fun cheerleading in front of Walmart during your lunch break?

Good one Bill. Wish you could have joined me, although you were probably busy spitting on veterans and getting an abortion.

Well if I could get pregnant, and I knew it was you, I certainly would get that abortion--as no doubt your parents wished.

News Story:
"Newt Gingrich was having an affair at the very same time he was investigating Bill Clinton's relationship with Monica Lewinsky."

Real story:
"Newt Gingrich was having an affair at the very same time he was investigating weather or not Bill Clinton had committed perjury and obstructed justice."

LIBRUL'S HATE SPEECH

Goddamn it Josie, I told you having that kid was a mistake!

--Joe's dad

Wow, the old "your parents should have aborted you" joke! Next are you going to talk about how I live in my parents' basement? Maybe then we could listen to some Vanilla Ice and drink some Tang.

Awwww..... someone Fwee Wiwwie, pwease!


True Story

"Newt Gingrich was having an affair at the very same time he was castigating Bill Clinton publicly for having an affair."

Otherwise, how else to explain Clinton defeating Bush...
FDR must have forgot about Mr Ross Perot. His goal in the election was to take votes away from Bush. And it worked!

Joe,

I told you once, I've told you twice. You're not moving into my basement!

--Joe's mom

A more fun and gossipy version of Newt's little affair - August 1999 (Salon Magazine) --

Naughty Newt Gingrich. Speculation surrounding the Newtle's recent decision to ditch his wife of 18 years, Marianne Ginther Gingrich, and cop to an affair with a woman 23 years his junior has made summertime in Washington even steamier than usual.

Now that D.C.'s scandal-starved denizens have digested the scraps of the singularly unappetizing affaire Gingrich -- after boinking Callista Bisek, a 33-year-old congressional aide said to show a somewhat kinky resemblance to Hillary Rodham Clinton, for years, the former House speaker gave his weeping wife the heave-ho over the phone while she was celebrating her mother's 84th birthday in July -- they're struggling with a touch of dyspepsia over a few greasy details:

Just when did Bisek (so adept at puckering up and blowing she plays horn in Virginia's City of Fairfax band) catch the eye of Newt (tongue of dragon)? And what really inspired the big-talking speaker to suddenly grow silent as a lamb and vanish into the night in the midst of the Clinton/Lewinsky cacophony?

While most press outlets have reported that Newtie and his cutie have been consorting for at least three years, whispers that the Gingster might have horned in on brassy Bisek more like five years ago have wafted Nothing Personal's way. Big deal? Well, it might be. If it turns out that the two were indeed nuzzling noses before the hard-blowing, nimble-fingered young lady was installed in her cushy $55,000 congressional aide job (sniff if you like, that's biggish bucks for a lowish-level government worker without a whole lot of prior Hill experience). Such timing would raise the same sort of ethical questions Clinton faced when it appeared his good buddy Vernon Jordan may have pulled some high-placed strings at Revlon on behalf of a certain unthankful thongstress.

What's more, NP has also gotten wind of some banter about blackmail on le Hill. Could it be that Gingrich's surprise decision to abandon his throne in the midst of the Monica madness (not to mention his uncharacteristic mumness on the matter) was not based simply on his weakening approval rating, but was a direct response to pressure from Republicans now running the show -- Reps. Dick Armey and Tom DeLay (the latter, it bears noting, an erstwhile pest-control expert)? The Gingrich/Bisek affair is rumored to have been an open secret among House Republicans and could well have been used as leverage by Newt's power-hungry "friends" to rid him of his crown (leave town quietly or get slimed by scandal). After all, Mrs. Newt, whose divorce lawyers will likely put her hard-hearted hubby through an exhaustive deposition, claims to have been unaware of Gingrich's out-of-wedlock dalliance until he dialed her up to demand a divorce -- mere seconds before the story hit the papers. And we all know to what lengths politicians will go to protect their families from the truth ...

Billy, you didn't refill your behavioral meds this month. Is everything okay?

-Bill's Psychiatrist



Any other vintage jokes Bill?

Oh, the old "are you off your meds" joke. Very original, Joe.

Did you miss the bottom of the post Bill? Wow you're slow.

Aw, Slicky.

Personal invective is SO passe.

Particularly when it's usage indicates a lack of any intelligent retort.

Do you wish to argue that Newt did not castigate Bubba publicly for having "sex with that woman"?

While Nutty was doing at least the same?

btw- those who think that Wishes His Willie Was Slick is simply FRG, are mistaken.

BILL!

How's them Peabody's hangin'?

Slap Joe-boy over the head with one of them. Maybe he'll lose his hard-on for Rudy.

Good eye, Chris!

somewhat kinky resemblance to Hillary Rodham Clinton, -- AHAHAHAHHAHA!!


could well have been used as leverage by Newt's power-hungry "friends" to rid him of his crown

Do tell!

Stop whining, Joe. You're were the one to start with the abortion jokes. Friggin' hypocrite.

"Maybe he'll lose his hard-on for Rudy"

Does Joe have a hard-on for Rudy? Let me guess, Rudy is a lawyer?

Rudy is a lawyer?

I don't know. Joe just said something about Rudy had a nice ass or something.....

Yes, Newt had an affair, Bill had an affair. They should both he heroes of the left. Newt didn't lie under oath to a jury. Bill did. Thats all you need to know.

rudy's probably all saggy these days...I'd assume j would run with a firmer choice...

now back to hungry fat people like newt. That pig is never going to stop throwing fresh meat down his war-torn throat, until he takes that final roll in the mud.

"at the very same time he was investigating weather or not Bill Clinton had committed perjury and obstructed justice."

LIBRUL'S HATE SPEECH

Posted by slicksterWilly at 2007-03-09 03:20 PM"

Republicans hate spelling, and don't like to go out in bad whether!

"Yes, Newt had an affair, Bill had an affair. They should both he heroes of the left. Newt didn't lie under oath to a jury. Bill did. Thats all you need to know.

Posted by FormerLib at 2007-03-09 04:25 PM"

Yes, Newt had an affair, Bill had an affair. That doesn't make either a hero. Bill didn't try to make a big deal out of others' infidelity. Newt did. Thats all you need to know.

I posted about this almost 2 years ago.

What makes Newt's infidelity even worse than the hypocracy is that he told his wife he was filing for divorce while she was in the hospital with cancer.

"Compassionate Conservatism" ya, right.

More like, 'Do as I say, not as I do'.

Jesus would kick 'Compassionate Conservatives' out of the temple.

Neither party has a monopoly on fooling around while in office, but when it comes to hypocrisy - i.e. pretending that they are something else - the Repubbers are indeed something else. It seems to me that the holier than thou that the looney rightists are, the more bizarre their - er - perversions. herm

Oh My God, I just saw a pic of Newty's intern on TV and.... she DOES look like a young Hilary!

Ok, that visual is not pretty.

btb, In the Repube race, the only one who has had only one wife is the Mormon.

And, with Hil in the race, the Repubs would like to have the advantage of the "clean" candidate, which none of the current candidates offers.

EXpecially, Naughty Newty.

Running back and forth between his cancer ridden wife's hospital bed to the motel must have been hard work. Let alone having time to cast stones.

"The Liberal bias against Christianity is amusing- they claim superiority over Christians based on the nutty premise that it's better to have no moral standard at all than to try to live by a moral standard and fail from time to time.

Posted by Patriot at 2007-03-09 11:50 AM "

Your inference is that non-Christians don't have moral standards...
The ME is a good example of religion.

Running back and forth between his cancer ridden wife's hospital bed to the motel must have been hard work. Let alone having time to cast stones.

Posted by AllAmerican at 2007-03-09

He didn't cum

"The Liberal bias against Christianity is amusing- they claim superiority over Christians based on the nutty premise that it's better to have no moral standard at all than to try to live by a moral standard and fail from time to time.

Posted by Patriot at 2007-03-09 11:50 AM "


I'm a Christian. But, I define 'Christ ianity as the message and philosophy contained in the 'red print' in the Bible - the words of Christ:

Most 'Christians' today forget that Jesus said his whole purpose in coming was 'to bring you a new commandment: That you love the Lord God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself', or in some versions, 'that you love one another as I have loved you.'

The 'Christian' church is so far off base. They spend more time on the writings of Paul and the Old Testament than speaking about the simple yet profound meaning of 'Christianity'......to follow Christs's teachings, which are certainly "liberal' and a far cry from the trash thrown about by today's 'Christian' leaders.

Ya, I'm a Christian. I don't have a clue who's philosophy evangelical churches think they're following when they focus on Paul's writings, and find reasons in the Old Testament to justify just about anything they please - even when it's so at odds with Christs's teachings and the actions He took in His life.

Jesus would have been a Democrat.

Bet she looked like Linda Tripp -- before she had GOP financed plastic surgery!!

His first marriage, to his former high school geometry teacher, Jackie Battley, ended in divorce in 1981.

The pig married his teacher?

I have to move to the South.

"Still hypocritical after all these years...
oohhh...
still hypocritical after all these years."