I am just hoping like hell that the poverty pimp rev. sharpton turns out to be a relative of Strom Thurmond...it will be a riot.He could sure Thurmonds estate then turn around and pay his followers reparations as a former slave owning family. What a conundrum!

ooops...meant "sue Thurmond's estate"

look at reparations as long overdue child support
jasman

He has more in common with past Presidents than we've previously thought.

I see Hillary's camp is stirring the pot again. What a cunt.

Wonder if this will gain him the Aryan Brotherhood vote in 2008? It has to impress the KKK, southern heritage and all....

Of course righties have always made the point that it shouldn't matter that one's ancestors owned slaves, so why bring up this point now? I guess as long as it isn't in connection with reparations it is ok to chastise someone because their ancestors owned slaves.

Wonder if this will gain him the Aryan Brotherhood vote in 2008?

I doubt those guys get to the voting booth very often.....who would they approve of??

don't try to tell me republicans.

who would they approve of??


Republicans.

Tax,

In any case we don't vot.......uhhm, I mean those guys don't vote.

FF Eb.

"Republicans."

Try to remember, slave owners were overwhelmingly Democrats.

Lincoln was a Republican.

That's just history though.

WHO CARES? Pointless article.

"Republicans."

Try to remember, LBJ signed the 1964 Civil Rights Act---thereby making Southern white racists ripe for the picking by the Republicans.

LBJ was a Democrat.

That's just history though.

"Republicans."

Try to remember, slave owners were overwhelmingly Democrats.

Lincoln was a Republican.

That's just history though.

Posted by zulu at 2007-03-02 03:57 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Try to remember You spew so much bullshit it's unbelievable. There were BOTH Republicans and Conservatives that owned slaves. Oh and a tidbit of Trivia that You don't know Zulu Abe Lincoln owned slaves Himself. so Put that in Your pipe and smoke it.

Larry

I see Hillary's camp is stirring the pot again. What a cunt.

Posted by taxman at 2007-03-02 03:43 PM
...........very insightful TAX.I think so also.I think gop fears her ability to get out the single woman vote...so I doubt they would try to discredit him.

1964 civil right act.
LBJ signed the bill into law:
[edit] Vote totals
Totals are in "Yea-Nay" format:

The Original House Version: 290-130 (69%-31%)
The Senate Version: 73-27 (73%-27%)
The Senate Version, as voted on by the House: 289-126 (70%-30%)

[edit] By party
The original House version:

Democratic Party: 153-96 (61%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (79%-21%)
The Senate version:

Democratic Party: 46-22 (68%-32%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

[edit] By party and region
The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)
The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure)

That's history , too

ooops...meant to delete your last three words...harsh on your part.

Democrats vote for people like Robert Byrd, a guy who actually wore the sheets. Why would anyone think this matters to them?

Looks like the Southern Reps, for both parties, didn't like the Act.

Harsh people deserve harsh words Kerrin.

B. Hussein Obama should pay himself reparations.

Get it???

Looks like the Southern Reps, for both parties, didn't like the Act.

Posted by Petrous

Way to kill a thread with facts Petrous.

This is as shocking for me as when Jessico Spanno discovered her ancestors had owned slaves. Luckily Lisa didn't care. I think we could all learn a lesson from that.

I see Hillary's camp is stirring the pot again. What a cunt.

Posted by taxman

Geee Taxman, you just come to this realization all by yourself?

Never let anyone say that you are not on the cutting edge, bro.

This combined with his middle name will surely do him in.

Morons.

Is it just me, or is any poster here that insists on using Obamas middle name in every post, a racist piece of cow dung?

But its ok, because he has faced the stigma of being a "kinda" black man in America. And it has certainly ruined his career. Hasn't it!

Your just jealous because your family couldn't afford slaves.

HAHA

Wonder if this will gain him the Aryan Brotherhood vote in 2008? It has to impress the KKK, southern heritage and all....
Tony, maybe you should ask the only member of the Senate who was a member of the KKK, the demorat from West Virginia, the dishonorable Robert Byrd.

I challenge anyone here to attend a KKK or Aryan Nation rally with me.
I'll wear a George W. Bush / Republican Party T-shirt, you can wear a Democratic Party T-shirt.
We'll see who makes it out with all their limbs intact.

No it is not just you I N. They don't have anything bad to say about him, so they resort to name calling.

It is the child in them.

Family owned slaves?


Smoked Pot?


This guy has Founding Father written all over him.

KKK - conservatives
Aryan Nation - conservatives
Osama Bin Laden - conservative

or is any poster here that insists on using Obamas middle name in every post, a racist piece of cow dung?

Posted by I_N_Cognito at 2007-03-02 04:53 PM |

Maybe, but more often they are just morons that like to follow every single talking point uttered by Rush Limblow, Sean Hannity or Bill O'Lielly.

They are just stooges. Plain and simple.

I challenge anyone here to attend a KKK or Aryan Nation rally with me.
I'll wear a George W. Bush / Republican Party T-shirt, you can wear a Democratic Party T-shirt.
We'll see who makes it out with all their limbs intact.

Posted by RastaCyborg at 2007-03-02 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mostly true, but W did have two blacks in his cabinet. Would the KKK view them as "house niggers" or what? I don't have my hand on the pulse of racists here.

But the democrat would get his ass kicked, no question.

Wow. I don't even know what a "house nigger" is, IN Cognito. Then again, I don't "have my hand on the pulse of the racists" here.

You don't know Zulu Abe Lincoln owned slaves Himself. so Put that in Your pipe and smoke it.

Posted by LarryMohr at 2007-03-02 04:02 PM | Reply

What would Lincoln be doing with a slave? Make him the paralegal?

B. Hussein Obama should pay himself reparations.

Posted by Atheist_idiot at 2007-03-02 04:23 PM | Reply

That would be like Algore buying carbon credits from himself.

"Democrats vote for people like Robert Byrd, a guy who actually wore the sheets. Why would anyone think this matters to them?

Posted by JOE at 2007-03-02 04:08 PM"

And Republicans vote for people like David Duke, a guy who actually WEARS the sheets. Why would anyone think this matters to them?

KKK - conservatives
Aryan Nation - conservatives
Osama Bin Laden - conservative

Posted by RastaCyborg


KKK - fringe kooks
Aryan Nation - fringe kooks
Osama Bin Laden - fringe kook
Rastacyborg - fringe kook

And Republicans vote for people like David Duke, a guy who actually WEARS the sheets. Why would anyone think this matters to them?


Posted by mOntecOre

Nice argument....one wins elections....one doesn't. Guess dems embrace racists more.

Eberly - Old fringe kook

Monte,

what "fringe" position do I take?

Duke didn't win an election, eh Ebby? And even when he didn't win, almost 700,000 votes? Disgraceful.

"In 1989, David Duke defeated fellow Republican John Treen, the brother of David C. Treen, the first Republican to be elected governor of Louisiana since Reconstruction, by a narrow margin of 51-49 percent.

In 1990, Duke challenged incumbent Democratic Senator Bennett Johnston in the open primary as a Republican and received 44 percent of the vote, including more than 60 percent of the White vote, according to exit polls. Johnston was able to win re-election (and thus avoid a direct run-off with Duke) by receiving 53 percent of the vote.

Duke ran for Louisiana governor in 1991 as a Republican Party candidate, and his 671,009 votes represented 38.8 percent of the total. Duke claimed victory, saying, "I won my constituency. I won 55 percent of the white vote," which he had, as exit polls confirmed."

"Why would anyone think this matters to them?"

Nobody would. I'm assuming this information is being disseminated to influence the Democrat primary?

My God, you scare me Monte. Where do you get that stuff. LOL

Okay, I admit that I didn't really look up Duke before claiming he didn't win elections. However, since you mentioned it, how do you defend democrats voting for Byrd then??

Personally, I don't care either way. I don't have hard feelings for Byrd...people can change. I certainly have no defense for Duke.

Louisana really has it's problems doesn't it?

Oh, I'm 38 with a small bald spot on top.

Hey Ebs - I agree that people can change and evolve over time. Byrd's past was dispicable, no question about it. Unfortunately, what he did was pretty common at the time too.

I look at Duke differently, because of the timeframe. That being said, Duke has never been elected as a state senator, even for a place as backward as Louisiana.

As you probably already know, I was just fucking around calling you fringey. You do appear to have a pretty middle-of-the-road mentality. But if I didn't give you shit, I wouldn't have been able to post those awesome images, right?

What would Lincoln be doing with a slave? Make him the paralegal?

Posted by vernon at 2007-03-02 05:20 PM | Reply

I don't know. Ask them at His Birth Home in Hodgenville Kentucky Just DO NOT drink the water at the well that warns against doing just that or else You will wind up with the Sharts about 20 Miles down the road while heading to Louisville Kentucky and Your old man telling You See I told You so. That was a rather ummmmmmmm Painful experience.

Larry

look at reparations as long overdue child support
jasman

This analogy would make more sense if the children had not already grown up and died, and their children had not already grown up and died and most of their children had not already grown up and died.

Secondly, it creates the image of Blacks today as children who need support of adults--whom we are to presume are White. I don't think this is what civil rights leaders have in mind.

At the moment I am not in favor of reparations, but I am willing to hear a good argument for them.

Cheers

Well I'm only for reparations if I get some of the cash.
Since by skin tone alone I can be safely described as whiter than sour cream I don't see me getting any reparations

Then again, who knows a "good" geneologist can prove anything.

Obama's Maternal Ancestors Owned Slaves

Who cares.

Wow, If a white republican was in the same situation, it would be plastered over the front page of every newspaper in the country, and be crucified to the white house front steps. But, NO, it happens to be a black democrat politition, so thats okay.

Give me a break, whos the racist nazis now!!!!

NAPALM STICKS TO HIPPIES

Wow, If a white republican was in the same situation, it would be plastered over the front page of every newspaper in the country, and be crucified to the white house front steps.

Posted by NapalmOverLord

Well, since many white politicians have been in the same situation, show me where it was "plastered over the front page of every newspaper in the country".

Which is probably the fate of this story.

I don't even know what a "house nigger" is, IN Cognito.

I guess you don't know any black people. That's this generations equivalent of "uncle tom".

Thanks for implying I'm racist, douche.

SO WHAT?

Moomanfla You need to do some research before You spew what You don't know. Go to His Birthplace and they will tell You and even show You if You so desire.

Larry

Why don't YOU do a little research Larry? I already posted a link... and that link has more links (even an official government one) to back it up. Where are yours? Your just mad because you have no clue and got called on it. Move along now.

Moomanfla I have Been to the very place of His Birth Unlike You Moomanfla who thinkis He knows it all bnut don't know jack shit. I know what I am talking about. Sorry that You can not grasp this very concept. You learn more by experiences the places that these People came from. I am sorry that it's not online but it is indeed Fact something You Moomanfla do not have.

Thank You

larry

Why don't YOU do a little research Larry? I already posted a link... and that link has more links (even an official government one) to back it up. Where are yours? Your just mad because you have no clue and got called on it. Move along now.

Posted by moomanfl at 2007-03-03 02:54 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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For someone who thinks they know it all Your Grammar sucks ass.

Larry

MooanFla You have to go to the SIte Yourself You know Physicaly go there and Learn these things.

Larry

For someone who thinks they know it all Your Grammar sucks ass.

Yes, it sucks there wasn't an edit button for me to correct that. In this case though I would rather have bad grammar and good facts. At least I know which words to capitilize unlike you.

MooanFla You have to go to the SIte Yourself You know Physicaly go there and Learn these things.

Ahhhh... ok. So they only tell the truth at the site, but put lies on their website. Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!

Good one Larry.

You have no Facts Moomanfla That is the sad part. I have been to HisBirthplace in Hodgenville Kentucky and Yes indeed they told Me that He in fact owned slaves. Sorry that You do not understand this Moomanfla.

Larry

You have no Facts Moomanfla That is the sad part. I have been to HisBirthplace in Hodgenville Kentucky and Yes indeed they told Me that He in fact owned slaves. Sorry that You do not understand this Moomanfla.

So have I, Larry. I used to live in Nashville. Went there when I was a kid on a weekend trip. Went again with my Dad when I was 18. Your full of crap as the official website shows.

What I (and anyone that examines your lack of proof against my links) will understand is that you are attempting to dodge proof with something that can't be proven. You discount the official information with information that can only be gotten by going there "Physicaly"(sic). As if I, or anyone, could just pack up and go right now to test your claim.

You are a funny, funny guy Larry. Thanks for the chuckle. Bwahahahahaha!!!

Post one link to a credible historian that says he owned slaves, Larry. Just one. LOL

Anyone?
Anyone?
Bueller?

A) Six or seven generations back, Obama's mother's ancestors were prosperous southerners, and slaveowners.

B) One and two generations back, Shrub's and Dubya's family were Nazi sympathizers, Hitler's US bankers. Shrub was DCI when his CIA started importing heroin and cocaine into the US to pay for their off-the-books operations.

Which of the above gets more attention in the press and in media discussions? Why?

B) One and two generations back, Shrub's and Dubya's family were Nazi sympathizers

The same for Ted, Robert, and John F. Kennedy. Your point? It doesn't bother the dems but it should bother the Republicans?

why would anybody use wikipedia as a source? your exactly right about moomanfl but wikipedia is a joke anybody can put whatever they want in there thats why colleges are refusing to honor wikipedia as an honest source on a research paper or a thesis

your exactly right about moomanfl but wikipedia is a joke anybody can put whatever they want in there thats why colleges are refusing to honor wikipedia as an honest source on a research paper or a thesis

I will remember that the next time I write a research paper or thesis for a college. However for this forum, considering the info is pretty well-known already I am not worried about it.

Oh and a tidbit of Trivia that You don't know Zulu Abe Lincoln owned slaves Himself. so Put that in Your pipe and smoke it.

Larry, you are wrong (that seems to happen a lot around here doesn't it?).

Imagine the ruckus when Elian Gonzales discovers Janet Reno sank his mom!

sure this and the sharpton thing dont mean all that much......I mean not in the face of the anna nicole drama.....I mean really folks....priorities please....

but what delicious irony they both are....come on even you craziest libs of all have to agree with that......

and this also reopens the old question...
is obama black enough?
hhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Larry, you are wrong (that seems to happen a lot around here doesn't it?).

Lincoln never owned slaves.

LOL.... Don't waste your breath Bowa. He won't accept any historical evidence (even the link I provided to the Lincoln Boyhood National Memorial website) because he CLAIMS some nitwit at Hodgenville told him Lincoln owned slaves. He says that we actually have to GO there to find out the truth.

In otherwords, he is claiming that the government will only tell you the truth in person at the site, but will lie to you on their website. Classic Larry idiocy. Bwahahahahaha!!!

Don't waste your breath Bowa. He won't accept any historical evidence

Moom, you are of course correct.

I wrote Larry off the moment he called me "unamerican" for disagreeing with him.

I don't engage in that type of discourse. I try to stear clear of extremists and ideologues like larry on either the Right or Left.

So while I might still point out where he is so completely and aggresively wrong - Like on this thread. I otherwise don't engage. It is point less.

In otherwords, he is claiming that the government will only tell you the truth in person at the site, but will lie to you on their website. Classic Larry idiocy. Bwahahahahaha!!!

I did go to Hodgenville and visit the "boyhood home' site about 10 years ago, and I think I would have remembered if the people there were telling visitors that Lincoln owned slaves. I've also read a couple of Lincoln bios, including Sandburg's Lincoln and nowhere does it say he or his family owned slaves.

Larry only threw this fallacy about Lincoln owning slaves into the mix to help excuse Obama's ancestor's owning slaves.

frankly, as I said yesterday at the beginning of this thread. Who cares? What Obama's ancestors may or may not have did is absolutely irrelevant. We live in a country where no son is held responsible for the sins of his father. That is why "reparations" for slavery are so abhorrent. It is why holding Obama responsible for what his ancestors did is equally abhorrent.

"I try to stear clear of extremists and ideologues like larry on either the Right or Left."

Spoken by one extreme righty to another.

ROFLMAO

Too damn funny!!

Moom, I see that Lisa is now calling you and I extreme righties for stating the fact that Licoln never owned slaves.


ROFLMAO

Too damn funny!!

I did go to Hodgenville and visit the "boyhood home' site about 10 years ago

So did I... twice. Once back around '81 and again in '88. That is a little longer than 10 years ago, but nobody said anything about him owning slaves then either. Quite the opposite. They said his first introduction to slaves was on a trip with his father and he was horrified by what he saw. This formed his opinion on slavery that he kept all his life.

Larry only threw this fallacy about Lincoln owning slaves into the mix to help excuse Obama's ancestor's owning slaves.

Actually he threw it out there because someone made the point that most slave owners were Democrats while Lincoln was a Republican (one of the founders of the GOP actually). He didn't like that too much so thought he would take a swipe at Lincoln. As usual, the lack of oxygen to the brain from having his head so far up his ass caused him to throw out non-existant "facts".

frankly, as I said yesterday at the beginning of this thread. Who cares? What Obama's ancestors may or may not have did is absolutely irrelevant.

Amen to that. I would be more concerned if Obama HIMSELF owned slaves.

Spoken by one extreme righty to another.

To an extreme lefty I guess I would look like an extreme righty. Of course that bears no resemblence to reality and if it did... why should it bother me? Does it bother you to be an extreme lefty? Probably not.

"Of course that bears no resemblence to reality"

What would you know? You haven't looked at reality honestly for the past six years.

"Does it bother you to be an extreme lefty?"

LOL

I would think that an extreme lefty would never give credit to republicans or say anything good about any of them...that discredits me from that group.

You get a "C" for effort.

"Wow, If a white republican was in the same situation, it would be plastered over the front page of every newspaper in the country, and be crucified to the white house front steps. But, NO, it happens to be a black democrat politition, so thats okay"

Wow, if you had the brain power to finish the article, you would see there is a WHITE Republican in the same situation, John McCain, his family owned slaves.

Wouldn't it be nice if McCain who actually owned slaves that are Al Sharpton's ancestors would pipe up on the topic. How about McCain apologizing to Sharpton for his and any American's past ignorance on owning slaves.

"I see that Lisa is now calling you and I extreme righties for stating the fact that Licoln never owned slaves."

More dishonest comments, from a dishonest poster.

Hans will use up all the memory on his computer, just archiving your dishonesty alone!!

Loki....you can spin and lie anyway, anytime and using any quotes of mine, but the truth will be seen by others who aren't shills....which will be everyone but a few.

You're a partisan shill, Loki. You blatantly lie and spin, all the while wanting others to believe you're a "moderate".

You have no idea what a joke you are to many, many here.

You can't keep your word. You can't tell the truth. You are pathetic.

What I don't understand, which I've asked you numerous times while you hid under your other handles, is why do you insist on posting ANYTHING??? You have no credibility. You have proven yourself to be a liar. Why do you bother???

Are you that delusional that you think someone outside of the other partisan hacks, believe anything you say??

I suggest another website if you do.

Lisa,
I can see you pounding those keys with such anger and passion. The blood boiling. I have to admit it is a turn on.

fact that Licoln never owned slaves

Posted by Bowa at 2007-03-03 08:31 AM

Who the fuck is "Licoln" and why should we care?

Hi Crisp!!

LOL...I'm not angry, sweetie. I laugh thinking he can't possibly be that stupid to believe his own posts.

Now passionate...that's another thing all together. I'm half Italian...we are very passionate people. ; )

Now passionate...that's another thing all together. I'm half Italian...we are very passionate people. ; )

Posted by Lisa at 2007-03-03 09:35 AM | Reply |

This is my vision not yours. So don't wake up my ahem... dream?

I can see you pounding those keys with such anger and passion. The blood boiling. I have to admit it is a turn on.

I agree. I think Lisa must have a crush on this "Loki" guy I remind her of.

LOL

Sorry.

But really...there is no anger whatsoever.

Loki is laughable.

Does laughing and passionate do something for you or does it have to be anger??

Does laughing and passionate do something for you or does it have to be anger??

Posted by Lisa at 2007-03-03 09:40 AM

Are you kiddig me? If the wind blows the right way.....

Loki:

There is nothing about you that I find attractive or endearing to have a crush on.

I pray one day you are able to escape your delusion and join the rest of us in reality.

It seems I've stumbled upon the set of "The Dr. Phil show".

Careful, Crisp..."Bowa" thinks I call all those who disagree with me politically, "Loki".

If he sees that we actually get along, have fun together, enjoy each others posts....truth and reality will cause him to go into convulsions.

You don't want that on your hands, do you??

"It seems I've stumbled upon the set of "The Dr. Phil show"."

I'm pretty sure you could use his help.

You don't want that on your hands, do you??


Posted by Lisa at 2007-03-03 09:44 AM

Just another risk I will have to take. Maybe it is because I have yet to be called every name in the book by you regardless of my posts or political leanings.

On the other hand you may need to watch out. Seeing as I am a rightwing, chickenhawk, Bush loving, minority hating, hood wearing, white neo-con bastard. What will people think?

You spend 80% of your day here and I need help?

You make me laugh!

My family owed slaves as did most ranch owners of the south during that time. Won't surprise some on here. Is that my fault? Kinda like blaming Hillary for something 40 years ago. Slow news day!

Willie n HankIII in 2008

That just proves how wrong "Bowa" is, now doesn't it??

I've tried to tell him that some of my dear friends here are republicans to discredit the lie he likes to repeat, but he just doesn't listen.

Hey....maybe you can set him straight. You know....one rightwing, chickenhawk, Bush loving, minority hating, hood wearing, white neocon bastard to another!

LOL

Willie n HankIII in 2008

Posted by RODEGLIDE at 2007-03-03 09:51 AM

Any room for Charlie Daniels in the Cabinet?

"Is that my fault? "

Nope. It's not.

Damn it. I have to agree with Rodekill.

Thank God it doesn't happen often.

Hey....maybe you can set him straight.

Posted by Lisa at 2007-03-03 09:52 AM

You mean he is not straight? I thought it wasn't a choice.

"You mean he is not straight? "

It's open to debate.

" I thought it wasn't a choice."

I don't think it is. But....let's ask Loki.

Damn it. I have to agree with Rodekill.

Thank God it doesn't happen often.

Posted by Lisa at 2007-03-03 09:54 AM

Kind of humbling isn't it? Good for the balance though.

Maybe it is because I have yet to be called every name in the book by you regardless of my posts or political leanings.

Crispee, Lisa is a vindictive person. If you poke holes in her arguments, show all her inconsistencies, her unfounded accusations, her leaps that defy logic and show her to be the dishonest person she is, I am quite sure that you will be caught in her crosshairs right away.

LMAO!!!

In swoops Loki with more B.S.

LOL

Go ahead, Crisp....your turn to deal with this psycho.

"Kind of humbling isn't it? "

Naaw...but I'm digging out my ice skates. Hell must have froze over.

Nice to see the amount of those on the right that agree that this really is a non-story. Especially since Obama's black father is from Kenya so that side of his family was not enslaved.

Now if an ancestor of his mother had woned an ancestor of his father, that would be news.

Bowa,
I didn't mean to set you up. Lisa is being Lisa. Good or bad, right or wrong. She sticks up for herself and tells it like she sees it. I for one respect that. I may not agree with her, but as I said earlier she has not given me any reason to dislike her or give her the business. On the other hand there are many who I would like to get in a 10 X 10 room and well let's just say...debate?

"If you poke holes in her arguments"

You've never accomplished that. But being true to past form...Loki thinks he has.

"show all her inconsistencies, her unfounded accusations..."

LOL...again...you have failed.

" her leaps that defy logic"

LMAO....that is so funny because people have told me not to discuss anything with you, because you don't understand logic.

"and show her to be the dishonest person she is"

Self projecting isn't attractive, Loki.

Here's a little clue for you, Loki:

Crispee and I are friends. We HAVE had political debates and will have them in the future. The reason I am civil to him, is because he is nothing like YOU.

He is intelligent, he is honest, he admits when he is wrong, he isn't a fraud or phoney...the list is endless of his endearing qualities you do not possess.

You're no longer funny today, Loki....but rather annoying.

Go away and let the grown ups have a discussion. Milk is in the fridge, cookies in the cookie jar.

Naaw...but I'm digging out my ice skates. Hell must have froze over.

Posted by Lisa at 2007-03-03 10:02 AM

Please have the video camera ready. Make sure you keep your ams in when you try that axle.

I've tried to tell him that some of my dear friends here are republicans to discredit the lie he likes to repeat, but he just doesn't listen.

Lisa, I could care less who your "dear friends" are or what their political persuasion is. What does that have to do with you and your beliefs.

And I have read your posts and conversed with you for over a month now. My conclusion is that you are a left wing ideologue who regularly makes unfounded accusations and would deny due process and other constitutional guarantees to those you disagree with. And as far as I can tell, all those you disagree with are on the Right. You also have expressed numerous times that a person cannot be both a moderate and a republican -- a far-left viewpoint if there ever was one.

Every position you seem to take, expresses a narrow-minded and left wing view that reveals a bias so strong that any claim by you to be a moderate is farcical.

He is intelligent, he is honest, he admits when he is wrong, he isn't a fraud or phoney...the list is endless of his endearing qualities you do not possess.

Posted by Lisa at 2007-03-03 10:07 AM

You forgot tall handsome, humble..... Shit there went my breakfast...

"Please have the video camera ready. Make sure you keep your ams in when you try that axle."

OMG...I have a tape of my daughter when she was about 10, skating on the lagoon in our home town. She was trying to show off, and in doing so, ran right into an ice hockey net, tripping over it and get herself caught in it!!

LMAO

Thanks for bringing up the memory. I hadn't thought about that in years!!

"You forgot tall handsome,"

Well, I've yet to get a picture. All you sent me was a picture of your doggie.

Your dog is adorable though!!

Well, I've yet to get a picture. All you sent me was a picture of your doggie.

Your dog is adorable though!!

Posted by Lisa at 2007-03-03 10:14 AM

Now you know why I use her pictue instead of mine. I am still looking through magazines so I can steal a picture and send it to you.

I didn't mean to set you up. Lisa is being Lisa. Good or bad, right or wrong. She sticks up for herself and tells it like she sees it. I for one respect that.

Crispee, I can respect that too. Certainly that has been my experience with people like Tony Roma and a few others. My history with Lisa has been quite different. Almost from the beginning she started unprovoked namecalling, making unfounded accusations, and now apparently I am just a victim of misdirected animosity since she believes me to be somebody named "Loki" who she has a past with.

"any claim by you to be a moderate is farcical."

Again...self projecting.

You have stated that I insult all those who disagree with my beliefs, Loki. You can't face the fact that it's just YOU and the reason behind it.

You're a fraud. You have been here awhile using different handles each time you are outed as one, when caught in you own lies using your own words.

I dispise people who are not honest, who try to pull themselves off as someone or something they are not.

You fit those character flaws.

Don't flatter yourself, Loki.

Tony is much too intelligent to take you seriously. He spends all his time proving to you over and over again, what a liar you are. You just refuse to admit it.

Maybe Lisa is Loki.

LOL

That's not YOU. You don't have a wife and four kids.

I kinda pictured you that way, though.

Except, with a braided beard.

"Maybe Lisa is Loki."

Maybe Itsme is human"

Bowa,
It happens all the time here. I put my foot in my mouth and I get ripped apart. Sometimes you have to decide which battles to fight. There are many many here 10 times more radical left than Lisa could ever be. They are the enemy not Lisa.

LOL

That's not YOU. You don't have a wife and four kids.

I kinda pictured you that way, though.

Except, with a braided beard.

Posted by Lisa at 2007-03-03 10:25 AM

Damn... I thought the Jewish piece would give me away.

Maybe Itsme is human"

Posted by Lisa at 2007-03-03 10:26 AM

Maybe if that made sense I'd actually be insulted.

Crisp:

"Bowa" knows why I don't like him...not because of political views, but because of his lack of character, his lack of honesty and his lack of integrity.

It's just that simple.

Tony is much too intelligent to take you seriously. He spends all his time proving to you over and over again, what a liar you are. You just refuse to admit it.

Right Lisa, Tony spends "All his time" proving to me what a liar I am. LOL.

Puhleeeze.

The issue Tony and I have conversed on most is about the Libby trial. We both disagree on some of the important points and what the outcome will be. There has been no namecalling or taunts of any kind like those you are so prone to engage in.

I respect the way Tony reasons and thinks through an issue. I find I disagree with him most of the time because I think most of his 'facts" supporting his rationale are either flawed or irrelevant regardless of how well developed the arguments supported by them are.

he proably feels the same way about my arguments. he certainly has expressed as much over my comments about the Libby trial.

"Maybe if that made sense I'd actually be insulted."

Well, let me explain it to you, cupcake:

You stated "Maybe Lisa is Loki".

There is no chance of that, so I equated the "no chance of that" with you being human.

Make sense now, sugar??

"he proably feels the same way about my arguments. "

You give yourself waaaaay to much credit.

How nice. Rodekill the cop wants people to get hurt or die because they disagree with him.

Are you related to Coulter?

"cupcake"? "sugar"?

It's obvious your world revolves around food and the D.R.

Let me guess...5'3" and...oh, about 220lbs?

Is that close, "sugar"?

Nope, baby doll.

But let me guess what your world revolves around:

If I had to guess, it would be narcotics, booze, infested woman and 900 numbers.

Close??

There are many many here 10 times more radical left than Lisa could ever be. They are the enemy not Lisa.

Crispee, I haven't been here long enough to make that determination. The most radical left people I've engaged are larry, Lisa, and Hans. There have been a few others who seem to be "hit-n-run" experts, they make a lot of really crude and nasty comments that are so outrageous I don't even engage.

But with larry, Lisa, and hans I never realized how intolerant and far-Left they actually were until I started to converse with them, check some of their claims (or quotes in Hans' case) to find they were dramatically flawed, or just plain wrong and/or intellectually dishonest.. And when challenged, the trio above responded in knee-jerk ideologue fashion - by defending the indefensable, deflecting, namecalling, and trying to kill the messenger (me) any way they could.

But if you have had a different experience with Lisa then good for you. Ultimately it might just be your basic personality conflict and we just don't get along. A fact that is magnified in the highly-charged blogosphere.

Let me guess...5'3" and...oh, about 220lbs?

Is that close, "sugar"?

Posted by itsme at 2007-03-03 10:39 AM

Does that line work in the real world? You don't get much do you?

Is that booze and infested women, or booze infested women?

I'm sure a hell of a lot more than you do OC.

"I haven't been here long enough to make that determination"

Liar

"The most radical left people I've engaged are larry, Lisa, and Hans"

Odd...all of us know who and what you really are and consistantly call you out on it. Nothing to do with politics.

And because of that...we are "far left".

LMAO!!

"I'm sure a hell of a lot more than you do OC"

I'd take that bet!

"Is that booze and infested women, or booze infested women?"

Oh, that's right...silly me!

Any woman would have to be booze infested to sleep with you.

I'm sure a hell of a lot more than you do OC.

Posted by itsme at 2007-03-03 10:45 AM |

So are you saying that line works? Hmm. Maybe I don't want to know what women like that.

Any woman would have to be booze infested to sleep with you.

Posted by Lisa at 2007-03-03 10:48 AM

So little knowledge, so much hot air.

Oooh Lisa! That's gonna leave a mark!

Nothing to do with politics.

Lisa, Since I've only come here to give my political viewpoints on a blog dedicated to threads based on polital viewpoints, the fact that you would suggest you somehow know me beyound my political views is ludicrous.

But Since you are a left-wing ideologue who has consistently lost in political debate with me, it would make sense that you would try to personalize your attacks by setting up a strawman (you believe I am this "loki" guy) and then unleashing all your pent up venom about him, justified or not, onto me.

And because of that...we are "far left".

No you are far-left for the reasons I explained in my 10:10 post. There are other reasons why I determined hans and Larry to be left-wing ideologues as you are.

Well Adulteress slut, lets go back to a year ago when you were still living with yer husband and having an open affair with inbredaggie. What a cooze...

Posted by RODEGLIDE at 2007-03-03 10:53 AM

Such class Rogue... All third I might add. I see you and Itsme go to the same school on how to wow women.

Lisa,
Go for the genitals. Well if you an find them. Hell if they have them.

No, Itsme....it doesn't leave a mark at all, because Rodekill doesn't have a clue of what he is speaking about.

But to clear the air, I'll repeat it once again.

I was going through a divorce and we were living in the same house. I knew I was leaving WI, my plan always was to move to MO...my ex and I both agreed that we would live together until the house was sold and I would move.

I have a friend who will be moving to MO as well. We both like it here, it's beautiful. The school systems are 2nd to none.

Mike had nothing to do with it. The divorce was already discussed and started. Nor was I sleeping with Mike. The fact that Mike and I became best friends and he already lived in MO, was a bonus.

Everyone who I have close friendships with from drudge, knows this to be true.

What Rodekill says, just makes him look foolish, childish and dishonest.

That's his problem...not mine.

Rodekill must be one piss poor cop. He makes conclusions with no facts.

"who has consistently lost in political debate with me"

You're so delusional.

And...a bore.

Hey Lisa? I could care less.

OC? Work on the insults.

LOL Crisp!!

" I could care less."

Of course...that's why you interjected thinking Rodekill hurt me.

BTW: It's "I couldn't care less".

Your comment states there are things you care less about.

I find it ironic that when Rodeglide makes unfounded personal attacks and accusations on Lisa, she calls him " foolish, childish and dishonest" yet she sees nothing wrong with making unfounded personal attacks and accusations against me.

Hypocrisy thy name is Lisa.

Funny thing, Loki....I can prove the accusations against me are false.

You can't.

Hypocrocy is indeed your name!!!

"Mike".

Cute name for a "toy"

LOL, Itsme!

Mike bought me a great one for Christmas.

Mike bought me a great one for Christmas.

Posted by Lisa at 2007-03-03 11:13 AM

Nothing says "I can't satisfy you" like giving your woman a dildo.

"Nothing says "I can't satisfy you" like giving your woman a dildo."

Oh....you couldn't be farther from the truth! And it's not a dildo.

But, if it makes you feel better to believe that...knock yourself out.

Dildo, butt plug, whatever.

LOL

Aaaah....I love when people think they know what they are talking about, shooting off their mouths when their brain really isn't loaded after all. It's such good entertainment.

Funny thing, Loki....I can prove the accusations against me are false.

No you can't. At least you can't in a blog. It's only your words. And people can choose to believe them or not as they see fit.

For all I know, rodeglide is right. Maybe he knows you personally or your ex-husband.

However, being the moderate that I am. I would never make that conclusion. And I give you the benefit of the doubt. There's no facts to back up rodeglide's accusations, just like you have no facts that I am a paid shill (I'm not) or this Loki character (wrong again)

That's why you are an ideologue. Because to you speculation and assumption = facts which lead to your accusations. Actual facts aren't necessary for your "witchhunting" ways Lisa.

LOL

Aaaah....I love when people think they know what they are talking about, shooting off their mouths when their brain really isn't loaded after all. It's such good entertainment.


Posted by Lisa at 2007-03-03 11:25 AM

Kinda like your posts.

"No you can't."

I most certainly can. I have met some here already who have seen and know the truth. My ex would even back it up!

You, on the other hand...do only have YOUR OWN WORDS to back up what you say is true.

Not good enough.

And believe when I say...never, ever...would I associate with anyone like Rodekill. We don't know him...nor he, us. And I prefer it that way. The man is nuts, is not good at determining a situation and I can't believe they allow him to carry a weapon.

You are no moderate. You prove that daily.

Witchhunt?? LOL. You just make it so easy to spot you each and every time you reaappear.

Last time you were here, I told you that you weren't even smart enough to mask your political views....hence the reaappearance as a self proclaimed "moderate".

It's funny, actually....to see you try and manipulate people here who are much more analytical than you are.

I'll tell you what Rodekill....I'll be seeing my ex at the end of this month, and again in June for sure. Let's figure out a way for him to contact you, to prove to you that what I am saying is truth.

He won't mind. He wouldn't want someone to say I'm an aduteress or slut...he knows better and will laugh when I tell him this.

So....whatcha say...are you up to be proven a liar????

He won't mind. He wouldn't want someone to say I'm an aduteress or slut
Posted by Lisa at 2007-03-03 11:36 AM

So he divorced you for ?????

Last time you were here, I told you that you weren't even smart enough to mask your political views....hence the reaappearance as a self proclaimed "moderate".

Lisa, what are you babbling about now? Oh, that's right. More conversations you had with someone else you think is me. LOL

I think I'll go have some "fruit loops" for breakfast.

He won't mind. He wouldn't want someone to say I'm an aduteress or slut...he knows better and will laugh when I tell him this.

Lisa, your ex will laugh when you tell him about someone calling you an adulteress slut?

And this is the guy who is going to vouch for you?

LOL

"So he divorced you for ?????"

He didn't want the divorce, Itsme. He agreed to it because it is what I wanted...what I needed to do. He still wants me back. And we are friendly.

The stress from being married to him, and living with the son he had custody with, was causing medical problems for me. Serious medical problems. I had to leave.

Sending his son to his mother was never an option because she is a drug addict and alcoholic.

There is another circumstance regarding his son that I won't go into.

My ex will back each of my statements up.

So you see, Itsme. I'm not an adulteress...never was. I'm not a slut...never was.

I know it's much easier for some to assume someone cheated as the only reason for a divorce, but it isn't always the case.

I'd just like the chance to prove to Rodekill the "supercop" that not only is he wrong about me, that his fact gathering skills suck.

"I think I'll go have some "fruit loops" for breakfast."

Well, you are what you eat!

"Lisa, your ex will laugh when you tell him about someone calling you an adulteress slut?"

The absurdity is hysterical. Yes...he will laugh knowing what the truth is, and that someone is so wrong.

Today on "Springer"!

You of all people should find the humor in that, Loki...after all....you think Coulter wanting people who don't share her political views to die is a laugh riot!

"Today on "Springer"!"

I realize that's what you guys want to believe, but really...it's nothing close to it.

Riiiight!!

It's not as much fun for you guys to accept the truth as it is to make up crap.

You want a Springer episode, but it isn't possible.

My ex has custody of his son because his mother is an addict. If you think the only cases of this are on Springer, you don't live in the real world.

If you don't believe that there are other reasons for divorce outside of adultery, you don't live there either.

This has been so entertaining, but...I need to run.

You all have a good day.

And Rodekill??? Typical you run off when presented with an opportunity to see the truth...the facts.

Some cop!!

Lisa, I have to go on with my day. Got some work to do. But I needed to say the following.

As I have said, I am here to discuss political views. That's the only reason I am here. So before I get further drawn into any more discussion about your personal life, I am stopping. It's not my business. Even if you want to post the most private and personal stuff on this blog. Still, not my business.

So I apologize for making the comment about LOL over your ex-husband vouching for you. That was over the line.

Anyway, I am sorry to hear about your ill health, your divorce and whatever assortment of personal problems you may have. And I hope all turns out well.

My political characterization of you as a leftist ideologue is based only on the views you have expressed to me. Personally, I wish you no ill will even though I so strongly disagree with you. br />

Oh, I'm here. Selling cows in my other window, Making $$$ this week.

LOL

Do you know the living arrangements we had until the house was sold? Do you know how long it took for my house to be sold? Do you know where my step son was during that period? Do you know any of the counselors we went to see and know the circumstances that led to the divorce? Do you know any of the intimate details??

LOL...of course not supercop!!

Damn....it must be scary to live in your town and have you as a cop, where you're sworn to protect and serve but can't think analytically, intelligently and rationally.

I bet you're forced to see the department shrink often. You're an idiot.

"Selling cows in my other window, Making $$$ this week."

Get kicked of the force??

Wouldn't suprise me!

"You carried on a relationship with another man,"

So...you think that being married you shouldn't have friends of the opposite sex???

Damn....you're marriage must suck to hell with that lack of trust.

Either that, or you were cheated on, therefore in your tiny little mind, that is the reason for all divorces.

You have deeper emotional issues than I originally thought.

LMAO!!

I admit no guilt because there isn't any. I admit no wrong doing, beause there wasn't any.

"No more from me on this subject."

Of course not. I presented an opportunity to prove what you insist on claiming as false. You're a coward. Afraid of everyone here knowing what a liar you are, as well as a failure of a cop. Cowards always leave before the facts are presented.

Retired??

Forced no doubt. Medical disability due to emotional unstableness, most likely.

The only thing everyone sees is your inability, unwillingness and your fear of finding out the truth.

I have no problem with you knowing the truth to shut you up once and for all.

But, it's much easier for you to sit there behind your monitor and make your false claims than it is to admit your intellectually dishonest.

I don't blame you.

Continue to hide, coward.

"retired 5 years ago. The community has recovered quite well."

You, on the other hand, admit you were a problem in your community.

If you weren't, why would your community need to "recover" once you retired???

Damn...did I have you nailed!!

Is it just me, or is any poster here that insists on using Obamas middle name in every post, a racist piece of cow dung?

Let' see...

B. Hussein Obama...B. Hussein Obama...B. Hussein Obama...B. Hussein Obama...B. Hussein Obama...B. Hussein Obama...

It's just you, I N Congruent.

It's just you, I N Congruent.

I dunno, seems kinda douchey to me.

Then again, names don't scare me as much as they apparently do you.

"...forebears of his white mother owned slaves" ?
So what ? What does this have to do with Obama ?

"What does this have to do with Obama ?"

This says absolutely nothing about Barack Obama but it does bespeak a certain level of commitment, on the part of the anti-Obama forces, both left and right, towards digging up everything they can on the man.

Doncha think?

Be Well.

You're so delusional.

And...a bore.

Posted by Lisa at


Pot, meet kettle...

Barrack Hussein Obama: Slave owner


His ancestors owned slaves which clearly means he supports slavery.

Let's tar and feather him.