Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, February 06, 2007

Nearly 60 countries signed a treaty on Tuesday that bans governments from holding people in secret detention. The United States was not among them.

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Disappearances were a common Nazi tactic in World War II..

I'm a nazi, you're a nazi, we're all nazis... nazi, nazi, nazi... The british are Nazis, the Catholics are nazis, the Israelis are nazis... Republicans are Nazis... Karl rove is like 15 nazis rolled into one... George Bush is the head nazi... Did I mention nazis? Cuz we're all nazis...

NAZI!

Well that would mean the end of the American Gulag if they signed that damned piece of paper. Who's going to agree to do THAT?!

How far the right has fallen.

Well that would mean the end of the American Gulag if they signed that damned piece of paper.

No, no, no... Gulag's were russian... we're nazis... so the proper phrasing is that it would be the end of the American Concentration camps... because that's what Nazis had... and we're nazis.

YEAH! Rob flatters himself! He knows he is not good enough to be a nazi

I'd agree Rob, but then I'd have to kill myself. Besides, concentration camps were about the mass destruction of one's enemies. We're not there yet. The Gulag just moved 'em out of sight.

Like renditions to foreign prisions that don't have to observe the rule of law America established once for herself.

YEAH! Rob flatters himself! He knows he is not good enough to be a nazi

Posted by Redneckville


Okay fine I'm a nazi-wannabe hoping someday my republican (AKA Nazi) friends will make me a full fledged Nazi... then we can scurry about the town doing Nazi things... and making sure this country stays the Nazi course... And we'll kidnap people just like Nazis, and kill people just like Nazis... and then we'll invade Poland.

NAZI!!!!!

We're not there yet. The Gulag just moved 'em out of sight.

Okay well the Nazis must have had secret prisons along with Concentration Camps... we have to use a Nazi term.

I'm not sure if you got the memo, but... We're Nazis... Pass it on!

I hate Illinois Nazis.
-The Blues Brothers

Hmmm... Just so we're communicating I tried the Google for Nazi Secret Prison.

The result was predictable...something about Israeli Facility 1391.

Sounds like something out of George Orwell.

So we have the US joining the ranks of quite a lovely bunch of coconuts, all using secret prisons. Not something to put on the resume I'm thinking.

Off Topic:
CNN Ted Haggard story on Anderson Cooper.
Back to the no show.

Interesting combination of event and reportage.

So we have the US joining the ranks of quite a lovely bunch of coconuts, all using secret prisons.

Like the Nazis?

Not something to put on the resume I'm thinking

Acting like Nazis?

Well it depends on who we are giving the resume to doesn't it? If we're giving it to other Nazis, I think they'd be happy to see that we are Nazis... and since the Israelis are acting like Nazis they might like to see our resume sometime too...

Touche. Point. Set. March.

Remind me never to debate you about goose-stepping.

Remind me never to debate you about goose-stepping.

Posted by mrcairo


Goose-stepping like the Nazis would?

Mr Cairo-in Rob's defense-
I'd have to say that it's really


stepping in goose shit.......

stepping in goose shit.......

Posted by frankf55


Did Nazis do that? Cuz if the Nazis didn't do it then I want nothing to do with it... because we're all Nazis... Didn't you hear?

Nazi, yes just like the nazis. Anything else RTAH.

Like stalin, or any other idiot who thinks detaining without representation is going to save the country. In fact it does the exact opposite, those countries alway fall.

Now we have the lower world orders being the example for the supposed educated world orders.

The fall has begun.

Nazi, yes just like the nazis. Anything else RTAH.

Nope that's it... we're nazis... what else is there to say... All us Americans are Nazis... Our ederly... nazis! Our babies... Nazis! Our Quardrapalegics... Oh their the worst nazis of them all...

Because we're acting just like Nazis... if you look at any history book you would see that today's America is just like Nazi Germany at it's height. All Bush has to do is grow a shitty mustache and learn how to give a good speech and I'd swear he was Hitler...

NAZIS!

Like stalin

NO STUPID!!! Like Hitler! We're Nazis... NAZIS! NAZIS! NAZIS! Get it right or get out!

kill file.

kill file.

Posted by YAV


Make sure you kill it in a Nazi way... gas it, shoot it... invade it and then kill it...

Gee, Rob. Seems to have hit a nerve. Read any books on the old National Socialist Party recently? Better yet, ever spoken with someone who actually interacted with a member? It can put the edge back into the word "disappear".

Easier still, just walk around Buenas Aires or Santiago and enquire of almost any stranger you meet, if you're Spanish is up to it. Maybe at some point you'll understand what the disgust is all about.

Damn. I wish the Iraqis has been more like Nazis. Then we'd have had something to fight. What I wouldn't have given for a decent poison gas attack in the midst of Shock and Awe.

"Men and women disappear every day on every continent, for defending human rights, for just opposing their governments' policies or simply because they want justice," Douste-Blazy said. "The situation could not continue to go unpunished. It required a strong response from the international community"

Strewth!

America, by refusing to become a signatory to THIS "piece of paper", declares herself a fascist/terror state and wot does Spud find here?

Robo-Ahole, patting hisself on the back because America hasn't devolved into running full production concentration camps like the REAL NAZIS had.

Brief question fer Rob...

This is yer fucking standard?

This is how low it has to go before you'll admit there's even a problem?!

WTF!?!

Here's a clue fer Rob from Spud...

Back inna day in Nazi Germany they didn't actually come right out and tell people wot the death camps were doing.

They shot footage telling people wot lovely places they really were.

Some people actually believed that propaganda.

Spud is suspect that if you lived in Nazi Germany back inna day you woulda been one of them people.

Just a hunch, admittedly.

Be Well.

Zed My Grandfather-In-Law, was in a concentration camp... his entire family was murdered, while his wife (whom he hadn't met yet) spent years hidden in a home by a sympathetic family.

I've heard stories that would make you Libs shit yourselves... So when I hear Libs calling America Nazi germany... yeah, I'm gonna point out how assinine they are.

Spud is suspect that if you lived in Nazi Germany back inna day you woulda been one of them people.

Just a hunch, admittedly.


Rest assured that if I wasn't sitting on two Dumps I would reply in such a way that would surely earn another, but I don't feel like being banned for 10 days so I'm biting my tounge.

My children will be descendents of a concentration camp survivor... so for you to imply that I would have been a Nazi makes me hope something very awful happens to you or someone in your family... I'll clarify after the two dumps are gone.

Make sure you kill it in a Nazi way... gas it, shoot it... invade it and then kill it...

Fabricate lies about it threatening you.
Make sure you bank with Prescott Bush too.
Poor Rob, between this and Rushbo, he's finally gone Niceville...



President Bush acknowledged in September that terrorism suspects have been held in CIA-run prisons overseas, but did not specify where.

Just sort of makes you proud to be a American, doesn't it?

Just sort of makes you proud to be a American, doesn't it?


Posted by Zap


That we've captured this nations enemies and are keeping them locked up where they can't kill American citizens? Fucking-A-Right I'm proud.

Fabricate lies about it threatening you.
Make sure you bank with Prescott Bush too.


And capture Paris in 45 minutes or less or you get your copy of Mein Kompf for free!

Not me. This version of America genuinely sucks. The sooner that dickhead Bush and his cadre are gone, the better.



LOL No wonder Nazi rolls off your fingers with such ease.

Anyone who doesn't like this story is free to move to one of the 60 countries that signed the treaty. I'll be waiting to see who goes. My guess is it'll be a long wait.

Anyone who doesn't like this story is free to move to one of the 60 countries that signed the treaty. I'll be waiting to see who goes. My guess is it'll be a long wait.

Posted by JOE


Just watch out though... this Nazi America will likely invade whatever nation you go to... cuz we're Nazis.

We have formally gave up Our Moral Right to condemn any Nation in the world. We have become the Enemy of the world unfortunately. When will MY America RETURN To Me.

Larry Mohr

We have formally gave up Our Moral Right to condemn any Nation in the world. We have become the Enemy of the world unfortunately

Just like the Nazis... we're Nazis.

Why move?

Bush will be gone soon.

America will be restored.

Our influence and our credibility will once again expand.

The last election was a good start. Looking forward to more.

RCADE: time to ban Rob...for living up to his moniker exceptionally well.

America will be restored.

Our influence and our credibility will once again expand.

The last election was a good start. Looking forward to more.

Posted by YAV


Not when we Republicans (AKA Nazis) put up our next candidate... Adolph Schmitler...

PS He's a Nazi...

RCADE: time to ban Rob...for living up to his moniker exceptionally well.

Posted by SamBarber


Whew... now that's a Nazi tactic if I ever heard one...

You don't like what I'm saying... ban me!

I'm not violating the Mod policy... I'm saying nothing offensive or abusive... so if I get banned for this you'd be acting like a low down dirty... well you get the point.

but I don't feel like being banned for 10 days so I'm biting my tounge

Come on Rob!

No mas?!

Give it a go. Live on the edge. So you were egged on by Spud. He's a bit scrambled some days but just yoking around.

I don't think you want to be coddled. I'd bet if you just dispensed with the hard-boiled routine, you and he could be the best of friends.

You know.

The potato head and the chicken-hawk's progeny...err ahh...head.

"Why move?

Bush will be gone soon.

America will be restored."


LOL. And I thought I was young. If you think Bush is the only thing wrong with America, you've got another thing coming.

The potato head and the chicken-hawk's progeny...err ahh...head.

Posted by MrCairo


Ah chicken-hawk... the second most used insult by liberals here... I can have just as much fun with that title, but that's for another thread... another time...

RCADE: time to ban Rob

There's those "free speech" lefties again, showing their true colors.

There's those "free speech" lefties again, showing their true colors.

It's nothing like telling people to move to another country, is it?

I thought I might give you a new direction to take this in. Sometimes it can dead-end and one is left with nothing but to fight your way back out. And that usually means Radio Dumpland Rogers Style.

Joe - agreed.

Rob isn't doing anything that hasn't been employed to great effect by a hundred other social commentators.

Personally I want to hear more from him. Pretty inventive tack tonight.

It's nothing like telling people to move to another country, is it?

Posted by YAV


He didn't tell you to leave, he said you are free to leave...

You know dishonesty was a tactic of the Nazis...

The truths of Goebbes' remain.

Do you recognize being played?

Mr C.
I forgot about Noah.

Robtah,

Knows nothing of the nazis, he just thinks he does.

If he had any part of his family familiar with nazi camps he would know those family members would hate what this country is doing. They are the ear mark of hating what Bush has turn this government into.

Nothing but garbage being spilled by Rob and the tuber is quite correct, if this were running the same as nazi times, he would be in the black and red.

If he had any part of his family familiar with nazi camps he would know those family members would hate what this country is doing. They are the ear mark of hating what Bush has turn this government into.


He's a Democrat and doesn't like Bush, but he hates the comparison of America to Nazis... Nazis killed his parents brothers and sisters... America is nothing like them.

You know dishonesty was a tactic of the Nazis...


You would know, it is your organization.

If you've heard the stories and met the people you should know which side of this question you are on, Rob. Now stand up for it.

Indeed Berkeley. Please stay after Sunday school class for some one-on-one with "teacher".

Hold on. You won't do. You aren't in the boys' choir. Never mind.

Nothing but garbage being spilled by Rob and the tuber is quite correct, if this were running the same as nazi times, he would be in the black and red.

Posted by moneywar


hahaha... I love it... I make fun of how you Libs do nothing but call Republicans and America, Nazis and your's and Spuds response is to call me a Nazi! LMAO... are you guys freaking serious? Unbelieveable!

Crassus you are one of a kind!

You would know, it is your organization.

Posted by moneywar


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

No, you're a Nazi!

If you've heard the stories and met the people you should know which side of this question you are on, Rob. Now stand up for it.


Posted by Zed


Well lets see here... During WWII the Nazis imprisoned millions of people from many walks of life and killed them in mass amounts.

While America imprisoned thousands of Japanese but did not murder them in masses...

So since we are imprisoning thousands of Muslims but not exterminating them it would seem like we're acting more like America of WWII wouldn't it?

He's a Democrat and doesn't like Bush, but he hates the comparison of America to Nazis... Nazis killed his parents brothers and sisters... America is nothing like them.

I know far more than I am letting on and I assure you they may not like the comparison but they surely do understand em. That is what they hate, they see the similarities.

He didn't tell you to leave, he said you are free to leave...

You know dishonesty was a tactic of the Nazis...


Wow, that sounds amazingly like this:

Disappearances were a common Nazi tactic in World War II..

I'm a nazi, you're a nazi, we're all nazis... nazi, nazi, nazi... The british are Nazis, the Catholics are nazis, the Israelis are nazis... Republicans are Nazis... Karl rove is like 15 nazis rolled into one... George Bush is the head nazi... Did I mention nazis? Cuz we're all nazis...

NAZI!


Dishonest from the start.

You mean, we're acting like that mistake in WWII we recently paid reparations for? The one we apologized to the victims because of? That's reassuring.

You need to think about abou many times a man has to hit his wife before you can call him an abuser. Hint: it doesn't take millions of times.

I know far more than I am letting on and I assure you they may not like the comparison but they surely do understand em.

I only know one concentration camp survivor... and I love and respect him almost as much as my own father. One day politics came up at dinner and like it always does it degraded into an argument... my sister-in-law called Bush a Nazi, and he exploded, telling her to shutup and to never make that comparison because it cheapens all her family went through... he's a little guy so everyone was completly shocked... that was years ago and politics has never been a discussion since, and I'm assuming never will be again.

After what he went through, if he despises the comparison I will too.

You mean, we're acting like that mistake in WWII we recently paid reparations for? The one we apologized to the victims because of? That's reassuring.


It was an action taken by one of this country's greatest presidents, during a time of one of our greatest threats.

They did what was necessary at the time... but if you Libs were around back then you'd be calling Roosevelt a Nazi and screaming for his impeachment.

Dishonest from the start.

Posted by YAV


SO we're both Nazis... but then again that's what I said from the beginning so I wasn't being dishonest... so I'm not a Nazi... but I said I am, so I must be...

Oh this is all so confusing... Let's just agree that you are at least a Nazi. cool?

People that make other people disappear officially are nazis, Rob. The adjective is very appropriate.

If Bush approves such behavior, then he is a nazi. It seems simple to me.

You, on the other hand, want Bush to be a Heydrich before he can be a nazis. Well, George will never be as smart or as good-looking.

People that make other people disappear officially are nazis, Rob

What about the governments who disappeared before the Nazis came to power?

If Bush approves such behavior, then he is a nazi. It seems simple to me.

Sure it would... when you label everyone a Nazi its real simple to explain why...

"They did what was necessary at the time...."

Horse manure, as witness the Nisei formation that collected the most unit citations of the war.


What about the governments who disappeared their citizens or enemies before the Nazis came to power?

"When you label everyone a nazi...."

Now you're being silly. These terms are defined behaviorally. Are you waiting for someone to put on a black uniform or something?

Horse manure, as witness the Nisei formation that collected the most unit citations of the war.

Posted by Zed


So you're saying that Roosevelt and his administration didn't see it as necessary to intern thousands of Japanese-Americans? Why would they do it then if they didn't see it as necessary?

Would you call Roosevelt a Nazi?

Rob, the only one calling people Nazi's is you.

Why don't we just call them all fascisti, Rob? That's equally descriptive.

Now you're being silly. These terms are defined behaviorally.

Posted by Zed


Like what Franklin D. Roosevelt did? Would you call one of our nation's greatest presidents a Nazi?

I think we have something to help Rob with his argument, here, a little known speech Bush seems to have given.

The final pic in the montage is telling, if the time has come to talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--
and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings.

Or, Nazis.

Rob, the only one calling people Nazi's is you.

Posted by YAV


Don't forget Dethspud, MoneyWar and Zed.

Twisting arguments and lying and scapegoating one person or group of people was a tactic of the Nazis Yav... You should watch your own behavior.

Well Aqua Teen Hunger Force is over and I must drag my Nazi-ass off to my Nazi bed to sleep with my Nazi wife, and fall off to Nazi dreamland where I along with the greatest Nazi ever, Franklin Roosevelt, will invade Canada, and send every hockey fan to the camps... then I will have my final solution.

Good night Nazis... especially you Yav.

I think FDR made the greatest mistake of his presidency with the Nisei, Rob. The man lived long enough to regret it, and to make it partially good.

FDR makes a mistake and George Bush gets a walk? Kid-think. Franklin wouldn't have hired George as a dog-walker. Truman would have just kicked his ass, I think.

I think FDR made the greatest mistake of his presidency with the Nisei, Rob. The man lived long enough to regret it, and to make it partially good.


Great, now you're fucking with my Nazi sleep time...

Is he a Nazi...

Mr. C:
Darn. Oh, well.
I had a better answer but did not dare post it. For more info see the father/daughter thread or email me.

Zed, Bush imprisons thousands without trial and due process and he's a Nazi...

FDR did the same thing, but he just made a big mistake?

No sorry that's not gonna fly. If bush is a Nazi, then so is FDR. If FDR isn't a Nazi then neither is Bush.

Like you said, "These terms are defined behaviorally" their behaviors are extremely similar... in fact Roosevelts involved more American citizens than Bush and those people did nothing wrong... I could at least argue that the people in Gitmo or secret prison were at least our enemies.

If the term Nazi is defined behaviorally then they are both in the same boat... now, in your opinion is that a Nazi U-Boat?

"...and Spuds response is to call me a Nazi!"

No, you daft knob, Spud is call you too stupid to see propaganda fer wot it is.

Yer the only one going around calling everybody a Nazi. Do you prefer the less emotionally charged term "fascist"?

Howsabout "wrong"

Can you say that Rob?

That governments "disappearing" people is a serious violation of peoples rights?

That those responsible must be held accountable by law?

If there's no justice
There's just us.

Aside from hyping the stale predictable right wing taking point that "libs always do nothing but call repubs and America Nazis" why don't you actually say where you stand on the question at hand.

Right or wrong, Rob?

Spud is dumb this one down fer yas.

Be Well.

That governments "disappearing" people is a serious violation of peoples rights?


Spud, if memory serves you are a Canadian right? So you weren't attacked... nothing happened to you on September 11... Muslim terrorists day in and day out don't scream death to Canada while burning your silly flag and an effigy of Wayne Gretzky... So I can see why you would care about people like Khalid Sheik Mohammed... he is an enemy of America, not the great white north, so its expected of you and other nations who weren't attacked that you wouldn't stand by America here...

Is it right if he and other AQ is kept forever in secret prisons, never brought before trial... is it okay if he and other AQ are held for a while until we can learn all that is learnable from them to better fight this war... yeah I'm fine with that...

Whoops I meant to answer my own question...

Is it right if he and other AQ is kept forever in secret prisons, never brought before trial...

No, that would not be right... eventually he must stand trial along with all the others... and they will

Alright... I guess I'm not going to get an answer from Zed anytime soon, so this time I'm really off to bed... I'll check back in the morning...

Wrong again Rob. Canadians were killed on 9/11 and Al Queda has threatened Canada.Do you think Canada gets a pass for killing Taliban in Afghanistan? You know your country's allie in the war on terrorism.

"so its expected of you and other nations who weren't attacked that you wouldn't stand by America here..."

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-02-07 12:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

What a douche you are,no sorry I take that back a douche has a useful purpose.

Canadian war against Taliban is "retribution" for 9/11 attacks
Defence minister

Andrea Sands, CanWest News Service; Edmonton Journal
Published: Sunday, January 21, 2007
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EDMONTON -- Canada is fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan in "retribution" for the 9/11 attacks that killed at least 3,000 people, including 25 Canadians, Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor said Saturday.

Read full story at

www.canada.com

Al-Qaeda warns Canada
Quit Afghan mission or endure attack like 9/11, threat says
Stewart Bell, National Post
Published: Saturday, October 28, 2006

OTTAWA - An al-Qaeda strategist has warned Canada to withdraw its troops from Afghanistan or face terrorist attacks similar to 9/11, Madrid and the London transit bombings.

The threat, attributed to a member of the al-Qaeda information and strategy committee, condemns Prime Minister Stephen Harper for refusing to pull out of Afghanistan.

It also refers to Canada's "fanatic adherence to Christianity" as well as its purported attempts to "damage the Muslims" and its support for the "Christian Crusade" against al-Qaeda.


"Despite the strong, increasing opposition to spread its forces in the fire of South Afghanistan, it seems that they will not learn the lesson easily," Hossam Abdul Raouf writes.

"They will either be forced to withdraw their forces or face an operation similar to New York, Madrid, London and their sisters, with the help of Allah."

The document, written in July, was obtained and translated by the SITE Institute, a U.S. non-profit group that monitors terrorist Web sites for clients, many of them in government.

It is the second reference in recent weeks to al-Qaeda singling out Canada because of its role in Afghanistan.

Last month, Osama bin Laden's deputy, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, referred to Canadian troops in Kandahar as "second-rate Crusaders."

The increasing focus on Canada in jihadist propaganda follows last June's arrest of 17 terrorist suspects in Toronto and comes as Canada is debating its role in NATO-led combat operations in southern Afghanistan.

The text of the threat suggests that al-Qaeda is aware of divisions within Canada over the mission, pointing to public opinion polls and opposition within Parliament.

It is also consistent with analysis by Canadian intelligence officials who report that al-Qaeda views Canada as a "priority target" because of the country's high-profile role in Afghanistan and its close relationship with the United States in the war on terrorism.

www.canada.com

ROB_THE_A_HOLE didn't notice that the his very first post was 'Nazi' this and 'Nazi' that. Then he gets in a flame war accusing someone else of calling him a Nazi.

ROB rarely ever makes sense anyway. What's new?

"eople that make other people disappear officially are nazis, Rob."

Well that's stupid. If that astronaut lady had succeeded in kidnapping the other astronaut lady, would she have been a "nazi?" I thought you had to be a national socialist before you were a "nazi."

Who are you kidding? She didn't want to kidnap the girl...she just wanted to talk to her. She used pepper spray to get her attention and was going to use the knife to help the poor lady with her seat belt. Come on people...don't believe CNN all the time. :P

USP:
funny flag

"I guess I'm not going to hear from Zed any time soon....."

Well, you're the one that said you were going to bed.

Rob, you've pulled off a glorious deflection, and my hat is off to you.

The Nisei were detained (although far from wholly detained). That's nothing that can be defended.

However, each of them had their identity as an American citizen intact. Everyone knew where they were. They got mail. They had visitors. If they committed a crime they got regular trials with lawyers.

They weren't "disappeared". They sure as hell weren't tortured.

The Nisei were poorly dealt with because of hysteria and miscalculation, not because those dealing with them were fascists and had ideological and political reasons for wanting them that way.

FDR, had the FBI asked him how a captive should be tortured, would have spat in disgust. Americans don't toture.

George Bush, as we all know by now, gets hands-on involved in process.

One of us is debasing the meaning of "nazi", Rob. But it isn't me. my boy.

One of us is debasing the meaning of "nazi", Rob. But it isn't me. my boy.

Posted by Zed


If you couldn't see that as the point of this whole endeavour then I think we're going to have to have another Chromosome hunt, cuz you're missing at least one.

Liberals constantly refer to a tactic or person they don't like as a Nazi... By calling George Bush, or America Nazis you cheapen what they really were... Over 20,000,000 dead... many of them innocent civilians gassed, shot, starved in camps where they were imprisoned simply because of religious beliefs...

Taking it to extreme in this thread was the point...

Wow!!!

60 new countries for people to immigrate to, not just Canada and US!!!

(hint)

Wrong again Rob. Canadians were killed on 9/11 and Al Queda has threatened Canada

Oh yeah, what a dark and tragic day it was for all of you... Must have just been terrible up there in Ottawa.

ROB_THE_A_HOLE didn't notice that the his very first post was 'Nazi' this and 'Nazi' that. Then he gets in a flame war accusing someone else of calling him a Nazi.

ROB rarely ever makes sense anyway. What's new?

Posted by AllAmerican


AA, my first post, and the many that followed were clearly a way of mocking how liberals (Like you especially) have to call anyone/anything Nazis. Hell I even called one of our greatest Presidents, Franklin Roosevelt, a Nazi so if you didn't get it, I'd say you're right up there Zed in the Chromosome count.

People like you who call others Nazis because they have different political beliefs are the worst kind of people. You cheapen the sacrafices made by all those who stepped up to destroy them, and you spit on the graves of all those who were killed by them...

Research the Nuremberg Trials and you will see they are Nazi's because they use national security as an excuse commit crimes against humanity. They say they are Christians but whom would Jesus torture?

Research the Nuremberg Trials and you will see they are Nazi's because they use national security as an excuse commit crimes against humanity

Research what they were actually on trial for and you will see that anyone who thinks we are Nazis is retarded.

There's those "free speech" lefties again, showing their true colors.


That's funny from the guy who says if we want to bitch about the US not signing this treaty we should move to one of the countries that did.

That's funny from the guy who says if we want to bitch about the US not signing this treaty we should move to one of the countries that did.

Posted by taxman


Again, that's not what he said...

He said you are FREE to leave, not that you should leave.


Nazi (nt's, nt'-)
n., pl. -zis.
A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, founded in Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf Hitler.

often nazi: An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist.


"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power"

-Benito Mussolini

And he has a great point... if you think America has become a Nazi nation, you are absolutely free to leave... in fact if you think its a Nazi state, then by staying and paying taxes into our Nazi coffers are you not just as guilty?

Well, you're probably saying, well Bush will be gone in 2 years and then we won't be Nazis anymore... To which I would ask, "If he's a Nazi, why would he give up power? Wouldn't he take the same path the last Nazi head of state took and declare himself Supreme Chancellor or something?"

Why would I leave when democracy will result in us signing the treaty in 2008. I choose sit and watch the wheels fall off the Bush short bus for the next two years.

"Research what they were actually on trial for and you will see that anyone who thinks we are Nazis is retarded."

Rob_The_A_Hole


Hmm let's see. They imprison innocent people. They torture innocent people. They kill innocent people. You could argue that republicans are not acting like nazi's because they don't torture and kill as many people. But how many is too many?

Rob if he doesn't give up power there will be a revolt in this country with no questions, and I am sure people will leave at that point. I would stay and fight to the death to protect this country from any tyrant, and I would hope you would do the same.

But how many is too many?

Posted by Species8472


Oh, before we start calling them nazis... Lets say that it has to be over a thousand, and a sizeable portion of those people have to be women and children...

I would stay and fight to the death to protect this country from any tyrant, and I would hope you would do the same.


Posted by taxman


Well according to a lot of Liberals like Zed and AllAmerican, he's a Nazi... Nazis have historically been more inclined to seek power then to give it up... so Taxy Get Your Gun!

Lets say that it has to be over a thousand, and a sizeable portion of those people have to be women and children...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Oh yeah... I forgot... and they can't be killed during interrogations... they have to be told they are taking a shower and then poison gas comes out instead of water... or they have to all be lined up in a row and sprayed with machine gun fire...

Yeah... then you could start calling them Nazis... that should work then.

Rob, would you fight against any kind of attempt by Bush/Cheney to seize power in this country?


"War alone brings up to their highest tension all human energies and imposes the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have the courage to make it."

-Benito Mussolini / Dick Cheney

"Fascism is capitalism in decay"

- Vladimir Lenin


"Fascism is capitalism plus murder."

- Upton Sinclair


"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it"

- Adolf Hitler / Karl Rove

Rob, would you fight against any kind of attempt by Bush/Cheney to seize power in this country?

Posted by taxman


I would fight against anyone trying to sieze power...

But specifically, yeah, if Bush declared himself supreme chancellor or ultra-mega lord or whatever, i would fight against that...

While we're in the land of make believe... If a evil race of super hot Space Women landed and took over the planet and it was learned that the only way to defeat them was to fornicate with them, I would do my part for this world too... I would Filthy Sancez our way to Freedom!

Hey you brought it up, I was just going with it.

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it"

- Adolf Hitler / Karl Rove

Posted by Corky


Power don't come from a badge or a gun. Power comes from lying. Lying big, and gettin' the whole damn world to play along with you. Once you got everybody agreeing with what they know in their hearts ain't true, you've got e'm by the balls.

- Senator Rourk (Powers Boothe) (Sin City) / Senator Clinton (for similar appearance to Powers Boothe)

I knew this thread would bring about the usual pant-pissing and mock outrage.

If only Chairborne would lift his self-imposed ban and visit this thread......


Strewth!

America, by refusing to become a signatory to THIS "piece of paper", declares herself a fascist/terror state and wot does Spud find here?

...


Whenever I read a post from you, I feel brain cells dying. Do you consider yourself clever or funny because you type in such a way?

When did stupidity become cool?

Are you capable of typing a normal sentence?

Do you talk to your friends and family like this?

I know!

You're an unlimited number of monkies sitting at an unlimited number of computers, and this is what comes out.

Damn you Shakespeare!


Jeffy

I am SO relieved that no one here sees any hint of the merger of state and corporate power in our government.

Things like holding people in secret detention not being at all anti-American in concept.

I knew this thread would bring about the usual pant-pissing and mock outrage.

If only Chairborne would lift his self-imposed ban and visit this thread......

Posted by JeffJ


I've done my best to wreck it... but I'm no Chairborne... still though... its been pretty much off topic since the first post...


"Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a good carpenter to build one".

- Sam Rayburn

"Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a good carpenter to build one".

- Sam Rayburn

Posted by Corky


I didn't know we had such eloquence on our defensive line...

scores.espn.go.com

"Hey now, umpire, he's got a horse in his pocket! Now I need a ruling! "

- Al Bundy



Let's see... the odds of some punk who's only interest here is to wreck threads knowing who in politics Sam Rayburn was with out Googling?

Vegas won't give odds on that one.


for the record, the "Rob the Nazi" post is as offensive as anything Rob does here. Meaning it is pretty offensive.



Posted by Rob_The_Nazi

DAMN IT!!!! I literally just went into Edit Account to see if I could change my name to that, but you can't edit User Name...

Well done... who are you?

for the record, the "Rob the Nazi" post is as offensive as anything Rob does here. Meaning it is pretty offensive.

Posted by Corky


I thought it was hilarious...


That would be Lurchy.


Character acting as Sergeant Shultz.


Lee!

I might have to start cornering the market on "Rob_The_" user names and just create dozens of accounts...

Rob_The_Goldbricker would have to be first...

Rob_The_Douche, Rob_The_Gay, Rob_The_Hemophiliac...

Are you posting privalidges taken away if you have more than one login, or only if you create a new one and post when you are in exhile?

"Creating a second account to circumvent these rules will result in a permanent loss of account privileges."

Moderation Policy

Rob The Wheezer,

Posted by Rob_The_Nazi


Oh yeah... can't forget that gem...

"Creating a second account to circumvent these rules will result in a permanent loss of account privileges."

Moderation Policy

BTW Lee... love the name for the Rob_The_Nazi Account... Rob DeNazi

Mohrnacht lol!

anyone got a link on the 60 nations signing? bet it's a who's who of human rights champions....rrrriggght!

ROB

I never called you a Nazi. You called yourself a Nazi on the very first post on this thread and then went about accusing someone else of starting it.

No one is better at wasting time needlessly than you. Hats off !!

The US is too busy spreading freedom and destroying tyranny to bother with such commie ideas as agreeing not to "disappear" people.

ROB

I never called you a Nazi.


No, and I didn't say that... I said you often call people nazi or use the nazi insult... as we can see from your posting history:

Get real and quit sounding like Nazi propaganda. It's just ridiculous to make the 'observations' you do when reality is so different from your perception of it.

Posted by AllAmerican at 2007-02-01 07:46 PM


Here's another:

Keep repeating the latest Neo Nazi phrase like a mantra, just like you all did when SENATOR.

Posted by AllAmerican at 2007-01-26 02:55 AM

And...

She was abhored that Israel would use the tactics of stormtroopers in Nazi Germany.

Posted by AllAmerican at 2007-01-14 08:00 PM



And...

You only have to read the following to see the similarities between Nazi and NeoCon tactics in the leadup to war: (apologies if you've already seen it)

Posted by AllAmerican at 2007-01-14 07:50 AM


And...

We've stood by Israel's side as they've broken one promise and treaty after another for decades, bulldozed entire villages, busted into homes in the middle of the night, killed thousands, and have otherwise terrorized the Palestinians (who they treat like the Nazi's did Jews)

Posted by AllAmerican at 2007-01-14 07:38 AM


Should I go on?

yes... america is such a bad country. all those mass graves out in the dakotas and the army busting into homes at night grabbing the men and raping the young girls... oh bad,bad,bad america , i am so shamed.

I'll go on...

You Bushbaugh types are a friggin' hoot. You think you know what other people think, yet your own thinking is dictated by propagandists that would make Joseph Goebels proud. (In case you don't know who he is: Head of propaganda for the Nazi Party). LMAO !!!

Posted by AllAmerican at 2006-12-30 08:52 PM


And...

But, we'll never know who is and who isn't because of this administration's Nazi tactics

Posted by allamerican at 2006-12-30 08:35 PM


You getting the point yet toots?



I've done my best to wreck it...

Tries to wreck the thread because he disagrees.

Probably considers myself a credit to discourse and debate.

"yes... america is such a bad country. all those mass graves out in the dakotas and the army busting into homes at night grabbing the men and raping the young girls... oh bad,bad,bad america , i am so shamed"

Does it need to get to that point for you to feel ashamed? I hate nazi references, but they would be appropriate long before that happened.

Tries to wreck the thread because he disagrees.


No, because it mentioned Nazis in a backhanded way of comparing us to them... once I saw that I was committed to taking it over...

Does it need to get to that point for you to feel ashamed? I hate nazi references, but they would be appropriate long before that happened.

Posted by jpw


There is a big difference between disagreeing with the policies and actions of an administration and comparing your country to one of the most evil regimes in the history of mankind.

This country was once a champion of human and civil rights. It's not too late to change back to our old ways.

There is a big difference between disagreeing with the policies and actions of an administration and comparing your country to one of the most evil regimes in the history of mankind.

It's always fascinating to watch how easily some people fall into absurd attempts at moral equivalence in order to besmirch people they don't like.

This country was once a champion of human and civil rights. It's not too late to change back to our old ways.


I agree. PC has gone way too far. It's reprehensible that a University President (Larry Sommers) can effectively lose his job by introducing a topic of discussion that offends PC sensibilities.

It's always fascinating to watch how easily some people fall into absurd attempts at moral equivalence in order to besmirch people they don't like.

Posted by JeffJ at 2007-02-07 12:20 PM | Reply


Except when they behave in the sdame manner as the NAZI's then it is aq legitament comparison to them. WHen You behave like a duck speak like a duck and when You walk like a duck then it is OK tyo declare You a duck.

Larry

Really, all Rob has is to conflagrate by name calling and obfuscate a tactic with people. When you do that, and the name is as bad as the inflammatory "Nazi" then you can attempt to dismiss the tactics.

It's clever. Only "Nazi" use "Nazi tactics" - no one else.

Of course the point is bullshit, as is the "logic" but it's entertaining to see who is stupid enough to buy into Rob's argument.

The problem or course is that the post started off with:
Disappearances were a common Nazi tactic in World War II..

Unnecessary rhetoric - met with Rob's idiotic "black and white" over the top melodramatic hyperbole. Then again, what do you expect from someone that thinks we are at war with a tactic?

It's not even a subtle distinction, but it's still completely lost on some.

absurd attempts at moral equivalence

Jeffy

I am SO relieved that no one here sees any hint of the merger of state and corporate power in our government.

Things like holding people in secret detention not being at all anti-American in concept.


Posted by Corky at 2007-02-07 10:58 AM

No, because it mentioned Nazis in a backhanded way of comparing us to them... once I saw that I was committed to taking it over...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole



Commited could be the right word Rob.

So the only one who can use the word nazi is you?
In a backhanded way you would perfer it used for its sumptuous?

"There is a big difference between disagreeing with the policies and actions of an administration and comparing your country to one of the most evil regimes in the history of mankind."

I agree. However, there's also a real danger in ignoring reality (not saying we're there yet) because it reflects poorly on us. Simply ignoring some of this administrations actions because we'd like them to not be true is only asking for trouble down the road.

So sad that Rob gets his jollies off of "taking over a thread". Very pathetic cry for attention. Instead of intellegently debating on whether or not we should even enter into this treaty or even the details of this treaty Rob takes it upon himself to deflect and dumb down the thread.

Funny how America's running all these secret prisons, yet everyone on the DR seems to know about them.

Ah well. Maybe Hillary and Obama can run on the "Free the terrorists!" plank: "Elect me, and the VERY FIRST THING I WILL DO is shut down these overseas detention centers and cut everyone loose!" (Wait for applause)

To do otherwise would be . . . would be . . . well, Nazi. Right? In fact, why aren't they speaking out against it now? LMAO. The Dems got their base all riled up about illegal wiretapping and the illegal incarceration of foreign terrorists, yet I've not seen a single bill introduced, or even a single debate, on doing anything about either. Maybe if the House Speaker weren't busy trying to book flights on Air Force One and Obama wasn't trying to nail down sponsors for his presidential run, there would be a little more Democratic concern for these issues in Washington. But instead, we have yawns all around, except on here.

The Dems got their base all riled up about illegal wiretapping and the illegal incarceration of foreign terrorists, yet I've not seen a single bill introduced, or even a single debate, on doing anything about either.

It has been less than a month dude, give it time.

Fair enough, Tax. It's just that when somebody says that these things are unconstitutional, a great breach of Constitutional authority given to the president, a blatant abuse of Presidential power, blah blah blah, it seems to me to be a little more important than debating about ethanol subsidies, which Democratic reps should get which offices, and the size of the Air Force jet Nancy Pelosi will be using to fly to her Global Warming conferences.

First things first, though, I guess.

So the only one who can use the word nazi is you?


And only if its in a mocking way as I was doing, you Nazi.

Disappearances were a common Nazi tactic in World War II..

This is the first Nazi comment and to be fair, it isn't Rob's. We geeks have a rule that dates back to usenet. The first person to bring up Nazis in a debate always loses.

it seems to me to be a little more important than debating about ethanol subsidies, which Democratic reps should get which offices, and the size of the Air Force jet Nancy Pelosi will be using to fly to her Global Warming conferences.


Well they are politicians, their priorities are never in order. Of course we all know that the first priority of any politician is to line his/her pockets. See Dick Cheney.

Instead of intellegently debating on whether or not we should even enter into this treaty or even the details of this treaty Rob takes it upon himself to deflect and dumb down the thread.


How do you intellegently debate that we are not Nazis? That's where this thread was going to end up, and you know it.

Debating whether or not we should enter the treaty is useless, because we are not going to enter this treaty.

This is the first Nazi comment and to be fair, it isn't Rob's. We geeks have a rule that dates back to usenet. The first person to bring up Nazis in a debate always loses.

Posted by Pleasantville


thank you for being fair...

Rob takes it upon himself to deflect and dumb down the thread.

Posted by taxman



As Candy said a while back there is more to Rob's name than a joke.

Desperate for attention comes to mind. Who spends as much time here as Rob? I doubt even Rodgers, LOL.



Debating whether or not we should enter the treaty is useless, because we are not going to enter this treaty.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Well that settles that!

Not for the next two years that is a certainty but it does not eliminate the need for debate.


Of course we all know that the first priority of any politician is to line his/her pockets. See Dick Cheney.

Posted by taxman

* * * *

I'll leave aside for now the tacit equivalence of Dick Cheney to Nancy Pelosi, as I'm sure neither would be particularly flattered. Last year Dick Cheney gave $7 million to charity, nearly 80% of his income.
Wonder how much Pelosi gave? For that matter, I wonder how much you did?



This is the first Nazi comment and to be fair, it isn't Rob's. We geeks have a rule that dates back to usenet. The first person to bring up Nazis in a debate always loses.


Pardon but Rob was the Very First to comment using the word Nazi. And continue to use it ad nauseum.



Pardon but Rob was the Very First to comment using the word Nazi.

Posted by Zap


Sorry sweety, but in the "More" section of the title post we can all see the line:

Disappearances were a common Nazi tactic in World War II..

Haecus deliberately cut that line out of the article and pasted it in to add emphasis. He commented on it first, and I took it from there...

And continue to use it ad nauseum.

yeah, its annoying isn't it? I may have taken it to extreme, but its no different than how you liberals act anytime you see an opportunity to call Bush, America, Republicans, etc a Nazi... see AllAmerican's post history for proof.

As Candy said a while back there is more to Rob's name than a joke.


Who is candy?

France and Germany didn't even bother to sign the treaty. Neither did Britain or Italy. You can be sure Israel won't--there would be a whole lot of Nazis still running around (the real kind, not people like Rob or your average Republican voter) were it not for their seizure of Nazis still at large in hospitable countries. A sovereign state should reserve the right to target its enemies, even if they happen to be living in a friendly country, sheltering them. Deep down, even liberals know this--Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton approved of black operations, with limited success.

Another big waste of time.

yeah, its annoying isn't it? I may have taken it to extreme, but its no different than how you liberals act anytime you see an opportunity to call Bush, America, Republicans, etc a Nazi... see AllAmerican's post history for proof.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole
* * * *

Or Zed. Or Larry Mohr. Or Moneywar/Crassus. Or Yav.

Sorry sweety, but in the "More" section of the title post we can all see the line:

Don't be sorry Rob your still wrong.

The comment section starts after 'more'. The more section is the main body of the 'ENTRY".

Or Zed. Or Larry Mohr. Or Moneywar/Crassus. Or Yav.

Posted by rightisright


I'm laughing my ass off about this thread... they're so upset that I keep using the Nazi phrase, when all you have to do is look at their histories and see that not only do they use the term, but unlike me they seriously think people are Nazis... I can't believe they didn't get the point... some of them actually think I was seriously calling people Nazis... WTF? These Liberals are some funny fucking Nazis...

The comment section starts after 'more'. The more section is the main body of the 'ENTRY".



Posted by Zap


Wow are you fishing now... Haceus chopped up the main body of the 'ENTRY' and he made sure to add in the Nazi part... if it were just the story that was posted in there I would have waited for one of you predictable libs to make the comparison to the Nazis first. Haceus made the commentary so it was appropriate right from the start.

This thread was intended to be a comparison of the United States to Nazi Germany... you're just pissy because I spoiled all your fun.



Rob you are the fun..

Rob you are the fun..


Posted by Zap


You don't have to tell me...



I'm sure you have hours more to spend here but I gotta go.

Perhaps you should approach Rodgers to work as a screener. If it passes Rob's muster it can be debated.

Sound Good?

If it passes Rob's muster it can be debated.

Sound Good?


Posted by Zap


No... Sounds Naziesque... why would you suggest such a thing... unless you're a... gasp... NAZI!!!!

I nominate this as the thread of the day.

Daft Category

"I'm a nazi, you're a nazi, we're all nazis... nazi, nazi, nazi... The british are Nazis, the Catholics are nazis, the Israelis are nazis... Republicans are Nazis... Karl rove is like 15 nazis rolled into one... George Bush is the head nazi... Did I mention nazis? Cuz we're all nazis...

NAZI!

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole"

Doorknob Rob, I admit you're right. You are a Nazi.

On the other hand, I'm not a Nazi.

You are a Nazi.

On the other hand, I'm not a Nazi.

Posted by Generico


Calling someone a nazi is exactly what a Nazi would do... Canadian Nazis are the worst kind of Nazis.

"Canadian Nazis are the worst kind of Nazis."

The war against Nazism for Canada started in 1939 while Robs beloved Bush family was doing their best to delay America's entry into the War.I wonder if your Father in laws family would have survived the Nazi's if it weren't for the Nazi sypethizers like Prescott Bush getting rich while Jews were being exterminated.

The war against Nazism for Canada started in 1939 while Robs beloved Bush family was doing their best to delay America's entry into the War

Nice job with that...

Shockingly America had to come in and finish what you guys couldn't...

Operation Maple Syrup was a valiant effort though... you should be proud! LOL

It's obvious you were educated in history by Comic books and Hollywood Rob.

It's obvious you were educated in history by Comic books and Hollywood Rob.

Posted by Scotty


LOL... you're right... I'm so glad that Canada was there before us... really softened 'em up for us... Like the silly comedy bit where one guy can't open the pickle jar, and the next guy does it with ease, the first always has to say "I loosened it!"

Thank you Canada... for loosening the Nazis... LMAO!!!

Scotty you are nuts... I'd say go see a psychiatrist but in Canada that would take 8 months just to get the referral... so just keep being crazy... at least its amusing.

So Rob do you think your Father in laws family would have survived the Nazi's if it weren't for the Nazi sypethizers like Prescott Bush getting rich while Jews were being exterminated.

So Rob do you think your Father in laws family would have survived the Nazi's if it weren't for the Nazi sypethizers like Prescott Bush getting rich while Jews were being exterminated.

Posted by Scotty


The majority of his family were killed almost immediately, but his youngest brother died just a few days before his camp was liberated...

America should have gotten involved earlier... by leaving all the fighting up to Canadians they might as well have just said, "take what you want Nazis, nobody will stop you." Roosevelt should have pushed harder to get us into the war as well...

Also his camp was liberated by the Soviets, and they shouldn't have been so complacent with the Nazis either...

I think the biggest lesson from WWII is if there is a crises, don't send Canada because you're just gonna end up finishing what they can't do.

Then there is this old news tiblet that justifies all torture US has done to anyone forever!:>)

ISRAELIS were 9-11 short sale stock buyers, betting on WTC terror strikes, story killed...
author: Mossad watch
FYI. Makes sense to me. Particularly when the Mossad cells were watching the "Al-CIAda" cells the whole time from Virginia to the 9-11 day-of when they were filming the towers being hit and collapsing, celebrating all the while. Of course Rabbi Chertoff of the Homeland Security Department now (then, the second in command under Ashcroft at the DOJ) let the Mossad budding filmmakers out of the country, without explanation, without much media coverage.

trenchant quote: "Between August 26 and September 11, 2001, a group of speculators, identified by the American Securities and Exchange Commission as Israeli citizens, sold "short" a list of 38 stocks that could reasonably be expected to fall in value as a result of the pending attacks. These speculators operated out of the Toronto, Canada and Frankfurt, Germany, stock exchanges and their profits were specifically stated to be "in the millions of dollars.""



portland.indymedia.org

It is obvious you are ignorant on the topic Rob.You can play your childish games to try and hide that ignorance.Hell you didn't even know that Canada is fighting in Afghanistan.Hey why don't you phone up some of the deads soldiers wifes and tell them how insignificant you think there contribution is.
A few little facts to get you going on WW2
With a population of 11 million.
Little insignificant Canada had the 4th largest navy in ww2 . 1.1 million in the Army .Read some non-fiction history Rob.Hate to be the one to tell you Ben Affleck , Matt damon and Superman didn't win the war against the Nazi's for the USA.

I think the biggest lesson from WW2 is that Americans will join any fight as long as there's a profit to be seen. Like in August of 1940 when Britain agreed to swap a bunch of navy and air bases in the colonies for 50 WW1 destroyers that were mothballed in Philadelphia. That's 4-months after the Germans started ghettoizing the Jews in the rubble of Warsaw (and the clock is ticking on those leases).

In fact, the US didn't enter WW2 until most of the heavy fighting was over. They missed the Bismark, the Battle of Britain, Tobruk, Rommel and the u-boat war. In fact, the US didn't declare war against Germany until Dec. 11, 1941. That's after they declared war on Japan

So if you want to talk about the suffering of your ancestors then understand that your home country was the last one to stand up against the Nazi's. Imagine how many of your relatives would have lived if the Americans at the time weren't greedy cowards?

In fact, the US didn't enter WW2 until most of the heavy fighting was over. They missed the Bismark, the Battle of Britain, Tobruk, Rommel and the u-boat war. In fact, the US didn't declare war against Germany until Dec. 11, 1941. That's after they declared war on Japan

So if you want to talk about the suffering of your ancestors then understand that your home country was the last one to stand up against the Nazi's. Imagine how many of your relatives would have lived if the Americans at the time weren't greedy cowards?


Posted by Generico

* * * *

Interesting. Well, putting aside the rather obvious point that the entire war in the Pacific had yet to be fought when the US entered the war, and that it would be a surprise to the Americans killed at Kasserine Pass that we "missed" having to fight Rommel--I do appreciate your acknowledgement of the fact that as soon as America entered the war, the fat lady started to sing. And, I like to imagine how many of my relatives would have lived, had the English and the Russians and the French--or, for that matter, any one of them--slapped down Hitler in the very beginning, thereby avoiding a war that would consume over 100 million lives.

Surreal, when you think about it. Now even World War 2 is America's fault. Is there NOTHING the hard left won't blame America for? Godalmighty.

Bani,

Interesting,

Most of these transactions were handled primarily by Deutsche Bank-A.B.Brown

wonder where that leads.....A.B.Brown.......????
?

Oh, before we start calling them nazis... Lets say that it has to be over a thousand, and a sizeable portion of those people have to be women and children...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-02-07 10:33 AM

The majority of his family were killed almost immediately, but his youngest brother died just a few days before his camp was liberated...

It sees that a lot of Germans thought like you Rob.Ah the government says they attacked the homeland,they don't deserve a trial,terrorists don't have rights.

With a population of 11 million.
Little insignificant Canada had the 4th largest navy in ww2 . 1.1 million in the Army
* * *

Canada wasn't insignificant then. But it is now. Canada is the only NATO country with more generals than tanks. As as gallant as the Princess Pats are, sending even one regiment to the Middle East strains the whole of the Canadian military, and results in political upheaval in a country where even that much is now too much.

I'm tickled at the Canadians' view of the North American Missile Shield. This is something that Canadians don't have to contribute to at all, don't have to pay for, don't have to even really do ANYTHING except enjoy the fruits of America's research and investment. They don't even have to say "Thank You". But even that is too much, apparently. The notion of having Canadian cities protected from a missile attack simply by being located next door to the United States generates demonstrations and angry editorials. Can't figure it.

So if you want to talk about the suffering of your ancestors then understand that your home country was the last one to stand up against the Nazi's. Imagine how many of your relatives would have lived if the Americans at the time weren't greedy cowards?

History is not something you are educated on or even appear to have a small wee bit of understaning.

Seems we were a bit isolationists if history serves and the American people did not want to enter the war.
I suggest looking back in your high school history books because by the post above that is about all you will understand.

It sees that a lot of Germans thought like you Rob.Ah the government says they attacked the homeland,they don't deserve a trial,terrorists don't have rights.

Posted by Scotty

* * * *

Well, that would make Rob a Nazi. Which he's already admitted to. Where have you been all day?

The notion of having Canadian cities protected from a missile attack simply by being located next door to the United States generates demonstrations and angry editorials. Can't figure it.

Another bright one, sure can look at the picture with closed eyes.

Yep, Canada is pissing all over the world creating hatred............hmmmmm!!!!! 1

Canadian tanks deployed in Panjwaii district

Updated Sat. Dec. 2 2006 11:30 PM ET

CTV News

Canada became the first NATO country to send tanks into combat in Afghanistan on Saturday, seriously upping the ante in the fight to end the Taliban insurgency.

The deployment of the Canadian leopard tanks marked the first time since the Korean War Canadians have used such heavy firepower in a combat situation.

A squadron of the imposing tanks rolled through the Panjwaii district on Saturday morning, putting on a show of force for villagers before arriving at a forward observation base in Afghanistan's volatile south.
www.ctv.ca

Another bright one, sure can look at the picture with closed eyes.

Yep, Canada is pissing all over the world creating hatred............hmmmmm!!!!! 1

Posted by moneywar

* * * *

Huh?

ROB

Joseph Goebels ran the propaganda arm of the Nazi Party. Yup, Rush and his ilk are very similar. Questioning the patriotism of anyone not in lock step with Bush, saying the same lie over and over until people start believing it's true.

Same thing with Bush/Cheney questioning the patriotism of Americans who disagree with them. Hardly an American thing to do.

So, yes, I was right on both counts. Nazi tactics right out of the propaganda playbook.

Same thing with Bush/Cheney questioning the patriotism of Americans who disagree with them. Hardly an American thing to do.

* * * *

Like when?

BTW: thanks for making Rob's point for him. Is Zap still here?

RiR,

I understand the spouting off at the canadians but hey, they are all over the globe taking advantage and exploiting countries so much that the people of those countries want to terrorize canada.

Like when?

Now this is just stupid neocon right pandering hacking.

We seem to get this everyday!

Interesting,

Most of these transactions were handled primarily by Deutsche Bank-A.B.Brown

wonder where that leads.....A.B.Brown.......????
?

MW

These are bit players in the biggest con game on Earth

www.themoneymasters.com

Rightisright, I don't think anyone blamed the US for WW2. It was really the Japanese who started it. The US did, however not enter the fight until Germany was at the gates of Moscow. The Germans started losing right when they attacked the USSR. That was the turning point of the European war. It was the 20-million Soviets who died that are more responsible for driving back the Germans and ridding them of their most talented people.

Moneywar, no one wanted to enter WW2. The British and French didn't, the Italians didn't and the German people expected the war to be a quick one. That is what history recorded. Canadians certainly didn't want to go to war after losing so many people in WW1. But we did. The British did when they weren't prepared. The Finns fought like Hell and the Poles showed bravery that's been unmatched anywhere.

As for the Americans, we've got the outdated, used equipment traded for military bases (tick, tick, tick 33-years left before we show you the door), lend lease, the sale of armaments and equipment. Not a lot of courage or conviction. Then, throughout the war, IBM continued to support the Nazi war effort by keeping their computers going.

The rest of the world stood dying for freedom and democracy while the US made money. We were the bulwark against fascism and war while your nation partied. The Pacific battles were primarily The US and Japan but the rest of the Allies were fighting on land driving the Japanese from India, Burma, China and the rest of the Pacific.

And if you'd like to go head to head on WW2 history I'd love to wipe the floor with you.

For Generico:>)

What makes 'OpJB' such a unique book to read is the magnitude of the new gist it casts on events which have been extensively scrutinized by others authors. Starting from the name 'OpJB' which stands for Operation James Bond, a name which today is inextricable linked to a certain fictional British secret agent known as 007. Such a coincidence of names is by no means accidental and stems from the fact that the man who went on to become the author of the highly succesful 007 series, Ian Fleming, was in real life a Royal Navy intelligence officer during World War II, and is also a leading figure in this extraordinary non-fictional tale.

www.raoulwallenberg.net

reilly.typepad.com

OPJB say's that the Dutch Sub XVII witness the Japanese Navy approaching Hawaii Dec 6 & later it was scuttled by the author on orders of his controller (Fleming!) after first informing Churchill of the Japanese Fleets whereabouts. Churchill then let Roosevelt in on the scoop & the rest is offical herstory:>)

Generico,

It appears you lack understanding in the capitalist banking system.

We don't enter wars for democracy or other nations needing our aid. We enter wars if their is long term money and economic advantage.

Follow the money!

History is always written by the victors, has been this way since the dawn of time.

And if you'd like to go head to head on WW2 history I'd love to wipe the floor with you.

Appearances from the front lines is not always what is won in the battles behind the lines.

When Japan surrendered and reconstruction began, where did the money come from and who ran the Central banking system?

I doubt that. My family's English, and my dad's home in Cardiff was bombed. Family moved in with other family in London, that was bombed too. My uncle, who is Jewish, had relatives die at Bergen Belsen and at Auchwitz, and had others interned at Dachau who survived. So if you think I'm hearing for the first time--from you--that the US took our time getting involved, I've got news for you. I've heard it my whole life.

And maybe serving as the Arsenal of Democracy isn't nearly the same as having boots on the ground and planes in the air, but if my recall of history serves, the Brits were happy to have gotten anything at all, having lost virtually all their equipment on the beaches at Dunkirk and seeing their shipping plundered daily by Doenitz' U-Boats. But the only reason any of that happened, let's be honest, is that idiot Chamberlain with his "Peace in Our Time" self-deception. The elites of Europe couldn't trouble themselves to read Mein Kampf, which would have given them a crystal ball into the near future, in the event they did not or could not get off their collective fat ass.
Sorry about Lend Lease, and that you feel you got ripped off. I've been to Canada numerous times, and it's a huge, empty country. Far be it for me to suggest that you might have needed our tanks and ships--used though they were--a bit more than you need a few hundred acres in Newfoundland that both the US and the Canadian forces now use. Let that be a lesson to you: in future conflicts, maybe it's better to have a fully functional, fully equipped, and fully supplied armed forces, instead of hoping the US will be there to bail you out. And while you're at it, tell your friends in London and Paris the same thing.

"Generico,

It appears you lack understanding in the capitalist banking system... - Moneywar"

Lol. Looks like someone is grabbing at straws. Can't debate me on the history so you're trying another tack, eh? But it does sound like you agree with me, that the US was more interested in money than freedom or democracy. Sounds pretty empty to me. If I'm going to fight it'll be for something a lot more important than financial gain.

History may be written by the victors but physical evidence always points to the truth.

Same thing with Bush/Cheney questioning the patriotism of Americans who disagree with them. Hardly an American thing to do.

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Like when?

BTW: thanks for making Rob's point for him. Is Zap still here?

Posted by rightisright


Makes Rob's point how?

Then there is this troubling side story...

August 12, 1945 Japanese scientist Nishina tested an atomic bomb near a small island off the coast of Korea. Witnesses said it produced a mushroom shaped cloud a thousand yards wide. Several vessels in the test area were vaporized while others farther away burnt fiercely.

www.cccoe.k12.ca.us


www.amazon.com

The US did, however not enter the fight until Germany was at the gates of Moscow. The Germans started losing right when they attacked the USSR.

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Well, then how did they get to the gates of Moscow? I'll agree that Barbarosa was one of the all-time dumbest military moves ever, but it sure didn't seem so at the time--the Nazis sure piled up the real estate in a hurry. In retrospect, the Germans and the Japanese should have tried to link up, through the Middle East and Southeast Asia. Or not attacked Pearl Harbor. Or maybe some enterprising Frenchman should have put a bullet into Hitler's skull. (Not terribly likely, as the French settled down more comfortably than anyone under German occupation.) But no matter how you want to ask the "what-if's", the outcome becomes far less certain were the US not to come aboard.

Bani, are you nuts?

Never mind.


Alliance of Enemies: The Untold Story of the Secret American and German Collaboration to End World War II

www.amazon.com

Join Agostino von Hassell, grandson of a senior diplomat executed for his part in an attempt to kill Hitler, and his co-author Sigrid Macrae, as they reveal a fascinating new perspective on World War II in Alliance of Enemies, a book that challenges the conventional wisdom of one people united behind their Fhrer.

Geoffrey Wawro has reviewed this book, too, & wrote:

"Readers will be unpleasantly surprised to learn the degree to which big U.S. multinationals like Exxon, General Motors, IBM, Kodak, Dupont, & RCA were invested in the Nazi war effort through profitable corporate alliances with German companies like I.G. Farben.

"Stauffenberg's attempt on Hitler's life in July 1944 is reassessed here. We assume that the western allies would have bemoaned its failure. In fact, British intelligence welcomed the vicious purges that followed. They would eliminate all 'good Germans' & leave the victors a free hand after the war. The American OSS viewed the purges as a good opportunity to sow chaos inside the faltering German war effort. Donovan considered denouncing every German senior officer to the Gestapo to provoke a mass slaughter of the Wehrmacht leadership."

Bani, are you nuts?


Never mind.

Posted by rightisright

Do you have any or have you been gelded? Oh, never mind:>)

I doubt that. My family's English, and my dad's home in Cardiff was bombed. Family moved in with other family in London, that was bombed too. My uncle, who is Jewish, had relatives die at Bergen Belsen and at Auchwitz, and had others interned at Dachau who survived. So if you think I'm hearing for the first time--from you--that the US took our time getting involved, I've got news for you. I've heard it my whole life.

RightisNuts

farout, man...

You know... sometimes I really impress myself... This is a thread about how the United States will not take part in a treaty about "disappearing" people and I got the Canadians to take it over by making them pissy about their country's shitty involvement in WWII...

You want to keep saying more of my family would have survived if America had gotten involved sooner? I fully agree...

But there is another side to that coin... you 51st staters were there already, you were fighting... if you guys were better fighters... better soldiers... better anything then they would have lived as well...

But you guys aren't that are you? You needed America to come over and finish the job because the Nazis just weren't all that scared of your hockey sticks or those fruity curling brooms...

So thanks a lot for having a shitty military...

I doubt that. My family's English, and my dad's home in Cardiff was bombed. Family moved in with other family in London, that was bombed too.

Both my parents were from Glasgow and lived close to the shipyards.I could never use a pop bottle rocket as a kid because it traumatized my mother as it sounded too much like the bombs that fell nightly.Her father was killed at Stalag 7b and 3 of her brothers were killed in Action.the 2 that returned were fucked up most of their lives.

Now it is 60 years later and we have idiots like Rob who thinks Nazism and the sacrifice and horror that these people went through are a big I"M Rob I'm a Nazi Joke."

I know his Jewish father in law would be disgusted if he read the crap that he spews out into the blog.

LOL

I know his Jewish father in law would be disgusted if he read the crap that he spews out into the blog.

Posted by Scotty
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As usual, you miss the point. To equate Bush wiretapping of Al Queda with Nazism is to diminish Nazism. To accuse people who vote for Bush of being equal to Nazis insults those who can tell the difference between the Gestapo and the 52% of Americans who didn't happen to vote for John Kerry. It is a sick joke, and it's on people like you--I didn't see you take umbrage when those losers accuse Bush or Republicans of being a Nazi, only when Rob plays along.

if you guys were better fighters..

Coming from sickly little robbie who can't,more like too chicken to, join the military.What a joke, you are pussy boy.I doubt you are nearly as tough as you think you are.Beware the brown boogie man wobbie,don't worry GWB will protect you.

--I didn't see you take umbrage when those losers accuse Bush or Republicans of being a Nazi, only when Rob plays along.

Posted by rightisright


YES!!! Thank you! Somebody gets it! Whew... I was getting worried there for a second...

As usual, you miss the point. To equate Bush wiretapping of Al Queda with Nazism is to diminish Nazism.

RR

Which Al Qaeda again? These?


The Phony (Mossad) Al Qaeda Cell in Palestine
www.whatreallyhappened.com

I doubt you are nearly as tough as you think you are.

I don't think I'm tough at all... But you're Canadian, you can't question someone for their toughness...

That would be like me making fun of someone who has trouble breathing... Or Larry making fun of a fatty...

But just because I'm not a tough guy, doesn't mean its not a fact that the Canadians weren't good enough to defeat the Nazis and had to call their Big Brother America to get the job done. But come on... you guys speak French... why would you think you could beat the Germans?

That would be like me making fun of someone who has trouble breathing... Or Larry making fun of a fatty...

A_Hole

nasty, nasty...lol

Coming from sickly little robbie who can't,more like too chicken to, join the military.What a joke, you are pussy boy.I doubt you are nearly as tough as you think you are.Beware the brown boogie man wobbie,don't worry GWB will protect you.

Posted by Scotty

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I know the point you're trying to make, but, again, you speak from a Franco-Canadian perspective. That is, one of ignorance and weakness. In the US, you don't have to be part of a Special Forces A-Team to be a so-called tough guy, or well-armed. Pick almost any ZIP code in the United States, and it's likely that there is more firepower in closets, gun racks, cars, pickup trucks, and behind convenience store counters, than there are in the entire Canadian Army. And this might be one reason that Queen Elizabeth II no longer consider North Americans south of the 49th parellel her subjects, but for everything else, Alaska excluded, she's your Queen Mum. As the British Redcoats learned two hundred years ago, and the Bloc Quebecois believes now, a government and a people that refuses to arm themselves will bow to whatever they ask.
So, instead of insulting Americans, you should be thanking us. Because a SWAT team in Seattle could invade Canada and overrun the place before the end of hockey season.

RIR I have Never called Bush or anyone on the right a Nazi.However I believe that denying habeus corpus,and using other countries to torture on your behalf is a step on the road to facism.
I don't think there is a difference between Bush or Kerry. Both Rich Yale Bonesmen.Clinton and papa bush are best buddies and now Hillary is Running? Why are such a small group of people holding the presidency?
Communism kept the machine running now terrorism is the excuse.The US spends more than the rest of the world on the military.It is political suicide to try and tame that beast.

The US spends more than the rest of the world on the military.

That's because the one time we tried letting Canada fight a war they failed miserably and we had to take over... so we vowed never again to be duped into believing that Canada can fight.

Because a SWAT team in Seattle could invade Canada and overrun the place before the end of hockey season.

Then why is Iraq giving you so much trouble? A 3rd world nation weakened by years of sanctions and bombings.

The Canadians are better armed then you think,we just don't use our guns to kill each other on the level you guys do.Bomb our infrastructure and you would take out your own.No gas or elecricity,you would destroy your own economy.
I insulted Rob by the way not America.What I stated was true,of Course Rob tries to goad me into insulting America to try and get a Canada US thing going.Generico fell for it not me.
I know Rob is an immature little man who gets off belittling others from the safety of his Keyboard.It is symptamatic of someone who has little control or power in their real life.As if a Orthopedic surgeon would be interested in someone at his level of maturity.
The only bone specialist that would give Rob the time a day charges
20 dollars for fifteen minutes of half and half.

As if a Orthopedic surgeon would be interested in someone at his level of maturity

Envy... definitly my favorite sin...

I know Rob is an immature little man who gets off belittling others from the safety of his Keyboard

Hate to break it to you sweetness, but you're doing the exact same thing from the exact same location, right behind your keyboard...

Hate to break it to you sweetness,..

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Sweetness? I'm flattered Robbie but I have a wife, a Woman, not a blow up doll in a medical uniform like you.So thanks ,but no thanks and good luck on your search for a boyfriend.I hope you can find one that makes you happy.

and good luck on your search for a boyfriend

HAHAHAHAHA... Gay jokes... that's right up there with Nazi insults... You're desperation is pathetic. Or blow up doll insults... whew... that's some harsh stuff their big guy... harsh... ouch...

I know Rob is an immature little man who gets off belittling others from the safety of his Keyboard.It is symptamatic of someone who has little control or power in their real life. Now if you'll excuse me I have to go call him gay, and tell him that his wife is a blow up doll.

Posted by Scotty at 2007-02-07 08:16 PM

"Pick almost any ZIP code in the United States, and it's likely that there is more firepower in closets, gun racks, cars, pickup trucks, and behind convenience store counters, than there are in the entire Canadian Army. - Rightisright"

Same could've been said about Iraq and look where you are now. The US is good at jumping into fights that are already in progress but damn poor at winning when they're in charge.

So, Doorknob Rob, what exactly were the US' contribution to WW1? As for WW2, the British Commonwealth held the line against darkness while the Soviets kicked the German's asses. If you want to find out who defeated the Germans you have to look at the Commonwealth and the Soviets.

Thank God for Winnie in WW2 or we'd all be speaking German because he organized both communists and capitalists to fight for your right to be ignorant. I'm glad you're not squandering it.

So, Doorknob Rob, what exactly were the US' contribution to WW1?

Dumping a few million fresh soldiers onto the allied side after years of fighting.

the British Commonwealth held the line against darkness while the Soviets kicked the German's asses

You might want to read a few books by Stephen Ambrose... I'd reccomend Citizen Soldiers or Band Of Brothers... It would be a good start. D-Day was good too, but I don't think it was as much of a page turner.

Thank God for Winnie in WW2

Now that's the first smart thing you've said here... Churchill is one of the greatest leaders in many centuries... Mainly cuz he knew that they'd need a shit ton more than Canada to fight the war and got America into the fight to pick up where you guys failed.

"What exactly was teh US contribution to WWI....?

The US provided the last available major reinforcement possible for the Western Front. This assured Germany's defeat and shifted the war from stalemate to won. Now that you ask.

ZED's got it basicly right...but some of the details are so much more interesting aren't they:>)

www.iamthewitness.com

1914: The start of World War I. In this war, the German Rothschilds loan money to the Germans, the British Rothschilds loan money to the British, and the French Rothschilds loan money to the French.

Futhermore, the Rothschilds have control of the three European news agencies, Wolff (est. 1849) in Germany, Reuters (est. 1851) in England, and Havas (est. 1835) in France.

The Rothschilds use Wolff to manipulate the German people into a fervour for war. From around this time, the Rothschilds are rarely reported in the media, because they own the media.

1916: On June 4, Ashkenazi Jew, Louis Dembitz Brandeis is appointed to the Supreme Court of the United States by President Wilson as per his agreed blackmail payment to Samuel Untermyer some three years earlier. Justice Brandeis is also the elected leader of the Executive Committee for Zionist Affairs, a position he has held since 1914.

The middle of World War II. Germany were winning the war as they were being financed by the Rothschilds to a greater extent than France, Italy and England, because Rothschilds, did not want to support the Tsar in Russia, and of course Russia was on the same side as France, Italy and England.

Then a significant event occurred. Germany, although they were winning the war and not one foreign soldier had set foot on their soil, offered armistice to Britain with no requirement of reparations. The Rothschilds were anxious to make sure this didn't happen as they were expecting to make far more money off this war, so they played another card they had up their sleeve.

Whilst the British were considering Germany's offer, Rothschild agent Louis Brandeis sends a Zionist delegation from America to Britain to promise to bring America into the war on the side of the British, provided the British agree to give the land of Palestine to the Rothschilds.

The Rothschilds wanted Palestine for the following reason. They had great business interests in the far east and desired their own state in that area along with their own military which they could use as an aggressor to any state that threatened those interests.

The British subsequently agree to the deal for Palestine and the Zionists in London contact their counterparts in America and inform them of this fact. Suddenly all the major newspapers in America that up to that point had been pro-German turned on Germany running propaganda pieces such as: German soldiers were killing Red Cross Nurses; German soldiers were cutting off babies hands, etc, in order to manipulate the American public against the Germans.

This same year, President Woodrow Wilson, ran a re-election campaign under the slogan, "Re-Elect The Man Who Will Keep Your Sons Out Of The War."

On December 12, Germany and her allies offer peace terms to end the war.

1917: As a result of Germany's offer of peace the Rothschild war machine goes into overdrive in America, spreading propaganda which leads to President Wilson under the instructions of American Zionist leader and Supreme Court Justice, Louis Dembitz Brandeis, reneging on his promise to the electorate and taking America into the first world war on April 6.

As per the Rothschild Zionist promise to the British, to take America into the war, they decide they want something in writing from the British to prove that they will uphold their side of the bargain. The British Foreign Secretary, Arthur James Balfour therefore drafts a letter which is commonly known as the, "Balfour Declaration," which is reprinted in the internet above.

"Dumping a few million fresh soldiers onto the allied side after years of fighting."

Again, coming into the fight a few years late.

The USA is like that friend who promises to help you move but arrives after the truck is loaded to help eat your pizza and drink your beer.

Again, coming into the fight a few years late.


It would seem we came in right on time, since the war was won shortly thereafter.

I would think given that Canada entered both World Wars early and needed America to come in and end the war that they were unable to, you would show a little more respect for America's efforts. If not for us, you still have half your country digging trenches in France.

Show repect to Sargent York by golly, too!

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