Good. Public health trumps parents' distrust of their children to make good decisions.

Good. Public health trumps


OK where does Public Health / Pubic good come in if Merric is suspected of gouging. If it mandated who is liable if a long term problem is discovered.

Didn't Frisk want drug companies to be exempt from suit if a vaccine is found faulty?

Sorry Ness your public health here is just opinion.

Now as much as I like the vaccine and agree with it, it is not in all honesty a public health issue nothing contagious here.

This will just become a civil rights issue that would get thrown out so it is a waste of legislation.

Perhaps people should be allowed to decide if they want a vaccine or not, without the "help" from a company that stands to make millions if their vaccine is made mandatory.

This is a personal health issue.
If they want to make sure every young girl has access, protect her right to make that choice.
Protect her from her parents.

What vaccines are mandatory now? Polio, Rubella(sp)? I know kids who don't get vaccinated for anything. WTF makes Merck think they can get this passed?

Here's another group of corrupt corporations - over 100,000 people die each year from properly administrated medicine. Throw money at the politicans and get laws passed to bankroll their profits. It's done every day because the political class is on the take.

I think those who don't want to get vaccinated should be allowed to live their life as they please. The gene pool won't miss them, and they may as well be happy for as long as they live. I'm sure they would never seek medical help if they did get cervical cancer after being offered a twenty five dollar vaccination years before.

This in some ways should be treated similar to issues relating to teenage sex and abortion. Educate, educate, educate. If teenagers or parents want the vaccine, make sure it is available. If not, it should be forced on the young regardless of any politicians good intentions.

Someones gotta revise the title of this thing.

"it is not in all honesty a public health issue nothing contagious here"

It absolutely is a public health issue and there is something contagious. It's called Human Papillomavirus (HPV). Read up on it, it is one of the most prevalent family of viruses in the human population. This vaccine should be as wide spread as possible.

This should be a Liberal cause. It encourages young girls to have casual sex, and will probably increase the number of abortions. How much better can it get?

The only hang up for libs is that a private business may make a profit.

Damn! What a dilemma!

Vernon, don't be a dick. We liberals do not encourage liberal sex. We simply are realistic enough to realize that young people frequently do choose to engage in sexual activity. Rather than live in a state of denial like most rightwingers, we choose to address the reality openly and honestly.

*casual sex. (LOL)

With cervical cancer now proven to be caused by a virus, it can be wiped out just as polio was wiped out, by mass vaccinating everyone.

It also has nothing at all to do with a girl being virtuous. Men are silent cariers of the virus. A girl could save herself for marriage, have sex with only one man in her entire life, but get cervical cancer because her husband had an old girlfriend he never told her about.

The only objection to the vacine is the fear that vaccinated girls will for some reason just go have rampant sex, aparently disreguarding every other STD risk, along with pregnancy.
I really don't understand that.

It makes perfect sense, Norm.

Sex = Death, unless you're married. God will kill you if you have premarital sex, and anything that gets in the way of that must be evil.

Drug-industry analyst Steve Brozak of W.B.B. Securities has projected Gardasil sales of at least $1 billion per year -- and billions more if states start requiring the vaccine. "I could not think of a bigger boost," he said.

and there ya finally in the last paragraph the real reason for mercks wanting these laws passed

God will kill you if you have premarital sex

Except in this case, the man can have premarital sex and get away with it scott free.
And kill his wife instead.


Cheka,
I have no problem with a company profiting from ending a type of cancer.
It's better than a company profiting from a new way to kill people...

it is not in all honesty a public health issue nothing contagious here.

Um, HPV is quite contagious, and quite prevalent.

Plus it leads to cervical cancer. Making this vaccine mandatory could eliminate cervical cancer in the US, much like the smallpox vaccine did for that disease.

"Cervical cancer is of particular interest to our members because it represents the first opportunity that we have to actually eliminate a cancer," Women in Government President Susan Crosby said.

Protection against HPV Gardasil, approved by the federal government in June, protects girls and women against strains of the human papillomavirus, or HPV, that are responsible for most cases of cervical cancer.

Wow, most is the operative word here.

It gets really scary when millions of dollars are paid to government to legislate law when the company stands to make billions for such a law.

illiminate cancer, not reading through the little lines.

Funny here too, just yesterday another thread about another cancer fighter that can't seem to get funding, why, because the companies can't patent it. Don't think they are telling all the truth and facts here.

What is funny too, is a few righties stated it wasn't worth funding for such few who were affected. Hmmm!!!! One cancer here -vs- multi different ones and the least not only get funding but has millions of dollars thrown at government to force laws.

Something is not sounding correct here.

About 14,000 cases of cervical cancer are diagnosed in the United States each year.

Over 5,000 women each year die of cervical cancer in the United States.


Funny, these numbers warrant spending billions of dollars and forcing all "girls" to get the vaccine.

Nice way to waste money that could other wise go to more pressing health care issues. I see we as a government are really making solid business decisions here.

Drug-industry analyst Steve Brozak of W.B.B. Securities has projected Gardasil sales of at least $1 billion per year -- and billions more if states start requiring the vaccine. "I could not think of a bigger boost," he said.

Interesting,

Direct annual medical costs for treating symptoms of HPV infection in the United States are estimated at $1.6 billion

Boy, it sure sounds like education would do the trick and a whole lot cheaper. Why is it education has not been screamed across American educational institutions, because then the information would stop the need for such high cost shots.

Unless you are a female (as they are the only ones at risk) you should have no say in this. This is a great vaccine that will save millions of lives. But if you "conservatives" want your daughters to die of cancer, go for it.

"What it does is benefit the pharmaceutical companies, and I don't want pharmaceutical companies taking precedence over the authorities of parents," she said."

Agreed.

This decision should be left for each individual parent...not made into a law.

The vaccines our children are required by law to have now, are to fight against diseases that are contagious. That, I can understand and agree with.

I think the intentions of Merck in this case are clear.

There is no way in hell this should be mandatory.

I'd support subsidizing the cost, but what happens if there are health consequences later on?

I don't buy the myth that the right wing opposes due to risk of increased promiscuity. That's just a left wing straw man. It makes no sense because the threat of cervical cancer is not preventing promiscuity. The consequence is too removed from the act to be a deterrent.

I'm sure most of the teenage girls having sex know nothing of HPV. I really doubt fear of it is one of the determinate factors of whether she has sex or not.
Without commenting on whether Merck is pushing for it for $ or not, it's clear those opposing it are the ones who believe women deserve to die for not following their code of morality.
Just consider the virus teeny tiny stones they can throw at her to kill her.
Talibaptists in more ways than one.

I don't support a law making this vaccine mandatory, but if you look at it in the overall context of things, the science behind this is a hell of a lot more convincing and 'settled' than the theory of global warming- and the Libs want laws passed for that.

It's strange though- the Left is usually for laws that intrude in people's every-day lives- I don't see why they would be against this. Would they change their mind if we told them this vaccine would kill fetuses?

In conclusion: I wouldn't worry about this passing- the right is against any mandatory vaccination in general (I personally agree there, but would likely have my daughter take this particular vaccine anyway), and the left will gladly endanger society if it would prevent Merck from making more money....

The vaccines our children are required by law to have now, are to fight against diseases that are contagious. That, I can understand and agree with.


Are there vaccines that are required by law? I thought they weren't.

I had to have a meningitis vaccine before I went to college. I know it was required by the university.
Now maybe I could have refused the vaccine, but then the university probably would have refused to enroll me.

Will the proponents guarantee that no class action lawsuits will result?

Google Robert Kennedy & Autism Link

"This should be a Liberal cause. It encourages young girls to have casual sex"

Oh yeah so a chaste young girl who eventually marries a young man that maybe played the field a little bit or was perviously married wont get HPV then? I suppose God will protect her because she was so virtious.

Vaccines are not "personal choices" if you choose not to have your kid vaccinated against the mumps, you not only put your kid in danger but you now have a infective resiviour at school that puts other kids who did have the vaccine in danger because vaccines are not 100% effective and constant exposure to a bug can lead to mild "breakthrough" cases which could still be dangerous.

Odd that HPV is singled out but the Hep B vaccine wasn't. Is it because HPV is only a caner risk in women I wonder?

"This should be a Liberal cause. It encourages young girls to have casual sex"

I have never heard of the fear of getting cervical cancer one day being a reason why the young girl or an older woman refrained from having sex. Therefore, a vaccination preventing cervical cancer will not encourage young girls or older women to have casual sex.

The vaccines our children are required by law to have now, are to fight against diseases that are contagious. That, I can understand and agree with.

The virus which causes certain kinds of cervical cancer is contagious. That said, no doubt Merck is in this for the money.

""Unless you are a female (as they are the only ones at risk) you should have no say in this.""

Fathers should have a say in their daughter's lives. I wonder how much it would cost if Canada were doing it, considering they negotiate for better prices, unlike America who is being sold on the stupid idea that we are better off paying more to the pharmaceutical companies.
Personally, I think it should be highly encouraged and subsidized by the government but not mandatory.

what worries me most is this so called vaccine DOES NOT protect against all HPV and cervical cancer.....and thus a woman or girl getting the vaccine had better understand that they could STILL get cervical cancer from HPV....that lil point seems to be overlooked....

"What does the vaccine not protect against?
Because the vaccine does not protect against all types of HPV, it will not prevent all cases of cervical cancer or genital warts. About 30% of cervical cancers will not be prevented by the vaccine, so it will be important for women to continue getting screened for cervical cancer (regular Pap tests). Also, the vaccine does not prevent about 10% of genital warts--nor will it prevent other sexually transmitted infections (STIs). So it will still be important for sexually active adults to reduce exposure to HPV and other STIs."

Unless a woman's doctor is a quack, he/she should be aware of this and inform their patients. That being said, a 70% reduction sounds pretty damned good to me.

That being said, a 70% reduction sounds pretty damned good to me.


well maybe but thats not what it is being trumpeted as....view up to some posters who compare this to the smallpox vacine which does protect totally verses a vacine which doesnt protect totally but everyone seems to want to believe it does...point of fact this vacine does not protect against cervical cancer totally that point should not be lost,,,thats all im tryin to say

I think the difference between this vaccine and one for meningitis or small pox is that you don't catch HPV by someone coughing on you, or you shaking their hands. It is transmitted differently and you need not ever be exposed to it. It seems harsh to impose this on people. That said, I would like my daughter to get it just in case, but not to impose it on everyone.

In 35-40 years you can expect the masses of women in red states to be very very angry.

I dare any redneck son of a bitch to look at their 10 year old daughter and tell them, "I'm gonna roll the dice on this one and bet you won't get cervical cancer."

How do you tell your daughter that she has cancer because you were afraid she would have casual sex? Wow, that really, really, really has to suck.

How do you tell your daughter that she has cancer because you were afraid she would have casual sex? Wow, that really, really, really has to suck.

reverse the script

how do you tell you daughter she got cervical cancer even tho she thought she was safe via vacine?.....
but you said i was safe cause i got the shot,,,

well....hun that werent true

now thats gonna be a helluva convo

The virus which causes certain kinds of cervical cancer is contagious.

I really have to laugh, yes it is contagious..............when you have sex! It is a STD!

There is no prudent reason this ever should become law, education is the key.

Their is far better things our money could be used for by our government. Nothing but a corporate gift from the government here.

I have to had it to merck though, the right love it because it will be so very profitable for their investments and the liberals love it because it appears to be a huge health issue.

I spent 10 minutes last night looking up hpv and know enough now that the vaccine is worthless and guess what, I spent zero dollars.........that's Priceless!

Reverse the script? Alright, in one case you tell her that she's sick because you fucked up and in another case you tell her that she's sick because a bunch of scientists didn't do their jobs right.

I'll go with option 2.

Yes, MoneyWar, education is the key. You give your child a cervical cancer vaccine. Then you tell her that there are still plenty of STDs to worry about and pregnancy on top of all that. You conclude by saying something along the lines of "so don't be a slut or I'll shoot your pony."

Reverse the script? Alright, in one case you tell her that she's sick because you fucked up and in another case you tell her that she's sick because a bunch of scientists didn't do their jobs right.

I'll go with option 2.

wrong again pleasentville as usuall your daughter will be sick cause you told her it was ok to go screw around cause this vacine would protect her...dont blame this on the scientists...this is fully totally on those who raise the kids...parents please dont abdicate

wrong again pleasentville as usuall your daughter will be sick cause you told her it was ok to go screw around cause this vacine would protect her

You honestly don't understand this issue. Or you're being a troll. In which case I'll give you 7/10.

Yes, MoneyWar, education is the key. You give your child a cervical cancer vaccine. Then you tell her that there are still plenty of STDs to worry about and pregnancy on top of all that. You conclude by saying something along the lines of "so don't be a slut or I'll shoot your pony."

Sorry I don't give the vaccine, I educate my child and the vaccine is never required.

And money was not wasted on corporate greed at our expense and stupidity.

I can now see how our wasteful spending has boom to such high figures though.

I educate my child and the vaccine is never required.

Wrong. Men show no symptoms of HPV. It's very much possible for a woman to contract it on her wedding night, even if she is losing her virginity. Or after her wedding night, if her man is unfaithful.

If you can't keep your child under control or if you would raise a child that is dumb enough to think an STD immunization is a free pass on being a slut, don't have kids. You're unqualified.

ok pleasentville ill bow to the last paragraph in the story

Drug-industry analyst Steve Brozak of W.B.B. Securities has projected Gardasil sales of at least $1 billion per year -- and billions more if states start requiring the vaccine. "I could not think of a bigger boost," he said.

and there in the last paragraph of the story is the TRUE story behind this whole thing.....

Cheka,

I'm against requiring immunization just as much as I'm against moron parents.

Pleasant,

Wrong. Men show no symptoms of HPV. It's very much possible for a woman to contract it on her wedding night, even if she is losing her virginity. Or after her wedding night, if her man is unfaithful.

Huh!!!! Who said anything about men!

I also see you need to educate yourself on HPV. The vaccine is great but it is not required to protect oneself and the fact you think it is shows your ignorance.

Go educate yourself. I have yet to wonder the ignorance of people spouting when they have not yet educated themselfs to the entire issue.

Got the flu, go get the shot because it should now be Law!!!!

A woman can get the virus from a cheating husband even if she has been 100% moral-Christian in her approach and attitude towards sex

When she is 12? Where do you live?

Oh, I forgot - since we're talking about an STD, rape comes into play as well. You can do everything in your power to educate your daughter about sex, but that won't matter one bit if she is raped by someone with HPV.

Eberly,

You realize how a vaccine works, yes? You get a shot and then you're immune. For life, unless boosters are required. And I'm not seeing anything to that effect.

Pleasantville,

I have 2 daughters and I see both sides including yours. There are legitimate reasons for the vaccine.

You can do everything in your power to educate your daughter about sex, but that won't matter one bit if she is raped by someone with HPV.


agreed and that is a horrible prospect for the girl and her parents....

but this so called vacine may not protect her from the HPV from the rapist


my main point is and ill state it again...this so called vacine is not 100% perfect..which in itself calls in to question the whole definition of the word vacine,,,that this is not the be all end all...and for a drug company to press to have this so called vacine mandated by govt is wrong

do i think women should have the choice for the vacine,,,hell yes.....

but there is another point of view...if 11 year old girls are vacinated and told they are now safe when they arent that is WRONG.....

because this vacine DOES NOT PROTECT AGAINST ALL HPV and to tell women it does is not only wrong but criminal

I realize that the vaccine does not protect against all the strains of HPV. I also realize that a parent who would refuse this vaccine for his or her child is not doing everything in his or her power to protect that child from harm. Airbags don't protect your kids from someone slamming into the left side of your car - is this an effective argument against airbags?

Pleasant,

I have read it and many more.

Get paps frequently which is still a requirement even with the vaccine, hmmmmm!!!!! wonder why that is?????????

I have shown the numbers of this issue and spending billions is not a very intelligent business decision.

You can scream all you want but if women are educated and see get the HEALTH CARE check ups this becomes a non-issue.

Understand where I think the Billions of dollars should be spent!!!!!!!!

The government spending billions is pretty stupid. Here we go. I can respond verbatim with one of my old posts.

I'm against requiring immunization just as much as I'm against moron parents.

Regarding the need to still have pap smears done by an OB/GYN: HPV is not the only way a woman can get cervical cancer. For example an infection can eventually become cancerous. On this note, I can again quote myself. (I'm getting egotistical, maybe I should become a pundit.)

Airbags don't protect your kids from someone slamming into the left side of your car - is this an effective argument against airbags?

I really have to laugh, yes it is contagious..............when you have sex! It is a STD!

I'm pretty sure most adults know that by now. Most women, even ones who never marry and some who are nuns, will have sex in their lifetimes, so most women are at risk to some extent. Then there is always the possiblity of being raped and picking up the virus that way. Since it is too soon to know if there are any long term negative side effects to getting the vaccine, I don't think it should be mandatory.

If this vaccine were for boys, you can bet that every christian father across the nation would be paying for it out of their own pocket, without hesitation.

Pleasant,

Your disengenuous argument is unbecoming.

About 14,000 cases of cervical cancer are diagnosed in the United States each year. How are they treated? Do all 14000 die?

Over 5,000 women each year die of cervical cancer in the United States.

Nice ratio of ever decreasing numbers, and most of the 5000 women if they had done their paps regularly probably would be healthy today.

I am not saying the vaccine is bad, just should not be spending billions on something that can be handled with far less money.

It takes 10 dollars to extract 5 dollars is effective in your case of contention.

300 million population, half are women, 150 million. Lets say 25 million are of age for the vaccine, at 360 dollars a pop is billions of dollars spent.

Yep, worthy of 5000 women dying every year.