Vivala difference!

Women be lovin' them chocolates and flowers.

Which are regularly strewn at the feet of Americans in Iraq and afghanistan. But at least SHE managed to get the Iraqi military to do something, ie. Najaf.

Way to go Nancy!

Women be lovin' them chocolates and flowers.

Northguy, you got nothin else!

Thanks for showing up there Nancy- I'm sure the soldiers and the Iraqi government were happy to see you (...as I collapse under the weight of my own sarcasm...)

Leastamerican: at least you agree with me on Nancy "encouraging" the Iraqis to stand up, right?

Did she bring a plastic turkey or is that embarrassment reserved for the Failure-in-Chief?

Leastamerican: at least you agree with me on Nancy "encouraging" the Iraqis to stand up, right?

What?

I read through the whole article and I don't see any proof of Pelosi single-handedly accomplishing this.

Can you point it out?

You must remember that I read the SF Chronicle and a extreme left paper that is extremely anit-Republican, so anything in this article will need to be backed up somehow.

Leastamerican: It's obvious. After nearly 4 years of Bush letting the Iraqi army sit back and drink tea, Nancy goes to Iraq, straightens out Maliki, and right away, the Iraqi army fights and wins a major battle.
Or do you really believe that was just a coincidence?
Maliki now knows Congress is being run by somebody with more balls than the Prez has and is responding.
Wait till she bitch-slaps Kim into shape!

"Our purpose was to salute our troops and commend them for their patriotism, their sacrifice, and the sacrifice of their families."

--Pelosi

Hypocrisy at it's finest.

The purpose of her trip was to try and discount the truth gathering trips made by many Republicans. The Republicans who came back said that the media are not reporting the truth.

She's going to save face for the media.

It didn't work. She can't bring herself to lie.

"Three days in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan have made House Speaker Nancy Pelosi even more certain of her view"

Translation: I stood in the Green Zone for a photo op, so now when I call for surrender, you know I really, really mean it!"

After nearly 4 years of Bush letting the Iraqi army sit back and drink tea, Nancy goes to Iraq, straightens out Maliki, and right away, the Iraqi army fights and wins a major battle.

So you are saying that the years of struggle was nothing. All the training that went into it was for nothing?

Nancy shows up and they decide to change?

LOL!!! you are naive. I can't believe you posted it.

You are obsessed with Bush failing!!

I can just see you in a straight jacket....

You know, after Hilary gets elected and the people wake up wondering what the hell they've just done, the Democratic party will finially die for good.

Just remember Jimmy Carter after Nixon. He set it up for Reagan.

The poeple of the US do not want Socialism.

Northguy,

What's more (and even more scary) is that Pelosi is a tool of the Iranians and she doesn't even know it! Not the People of Iran, the government.

Aren't you proud of your Speaker-in-chief?

The poeple don't know wot they want.

"The purpose of her trip was to try and discount the truth gathering trips made by many Republicans. The Republicans who came back said that the media are not reporting the truth.

Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-01-29 02:56 PM"

At first I was going to write, "oh, you're one of those 'things are actually going really great in Iraq' people like Lokiderflninnja," but then I remembered you ARE Lokiderflninnja!

So did you ever bother to explain how you read old posts from that "Loki guy" when his userblog was empty, or have you just resigned yourself to being exposed as a liar?

The poeple don't know wot they want.

Posted by sitdown


They will after four years of Hilary.

They will most definitely KNOW they don't want Socialism.

"What's more (and even more scary) is that Pelosi is a tool of the Iranians and she doesn't even know it!"

Nancy is the one who took out Saddam and let al sistani take over? She's the one who elected a pro-Iranian government in Iraq? Forced them to sign a defense treaty with Iran and made them unanimously support hezbollah?
Damn, as Minority leader she had clout.
I suppose she forced Bush et al to be suckered into this war by Iranian spy achmed Chalabi? And then forced Laura Bush to sit next to him at SOTU?

As much as Ronnie "wanna buy a rocket?" Reagan was a tool for the mad ayatollahs, he's positively sunni compared to George W. "take this country, please" Bush.

Posted by mOntecOre

*ignore flag*

What power this flagging system has!

If leastamerican is loki, is Kirk Niceville? he's got the same anti-abortion twitchiness.

Nancy is the one who took out Saddam and let al...

Northguy,

I think you are trying to list Bush failures? The flaws are way too obvious, but I don't want to get distracted.

I want you to explain how Nancy's visit changed things over there. You know, with proof.

BTW, Last, where's the NIE?

I think you are trying to list Bush failures? The flaws are way too obvious...

Aren't they.

I want you to explain how Nancy's visit changed things over there.

Did she take a picture with a fake turkey?

That would've showed them dammit!

I think you are trying to list Bush failures? The flaws are way too obvious...

Aren't they.

Posted by Boyd


You agree that the flaws in Northguy's argument are flawed? Thanks! I thought you were a Noble Liberal.

Boyd,

You post out of the article...

"there is significant underreporting of the violence in Iraq" by the U.S. military.

This article says that these "Acts of violence" by US military are underreported by 1000 per cent!!!!

This statement just bottomed out the credibility of the entire article.

Do I see another "Lying John Kerry" before Congress soon?

"You know, with proof.

Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-01-29 03:16 PM"

And your "proof" of how great things are really going in Iraq, and it is just a vast, left-wing media conspiracy saying otherwise is....?

Oh, then STFU liarboy. (Shouldn't you have already left for the Victory Parade by now?)

Last-
The article stated that "This article says that these "Acts of violence" by US military are underreported by 1000 per cent!!!!"

For one day. They did not generalize, as you did.

Perhaps the members of the ISG are traitors, too?

Last-
"there is significant underreporting of the violence in Iraq" by the U.S. military.

This is a quote from the report of the ISG, and not an editorial position.

Least: 4 years of Bush and nothing happens, except the Iraqi army is full of militiamen.
One visit by Nancy and they pick up their guns and stand up.
What part of that don't you understand?
The Iraqis admire strength. After 4 years of Bush's "stand up when and if you want, I don't want to pressure you or anything" they recognize Nancy can and will pull the plug on their lazy asses.

Last-
Is James Baker a traitorous member of the MSM?

BTW, Last, where's the long promised NIE?

Is it a bit strange that it has been delayed for months, and is still withheld while the "decider" ignores the joint chiefs and announces his new "plan" for victory?

Have to laugh at LastAmerican, doesn't understand what tour will do. Suppose she will see things like this and begin to wonder where is all the money going? What kind of idiot leaves an entire population of people without work and destroys their homes and expects them to be idle.

When then-viceroy Paul Bremer took over the civilian administration of Iraq in 2003, he had an intricate plan to transform the state-owned socialist economy into a beacon of free enterprise in the heart of the Middle East.

Central to his plan was the sale of some 200 state-owned enterprises to the highest bidder to bring in fresh capital, streamline operations and boost profits. That in turn would drive the rest of the economy.

The ambitious "shock therapy" plan failed. Foreign investors could not be lured into the uncertain political and security situation in Iraq, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis' livelihoods depended on the state-run manufacturing plants.

Not a single state-owned enterprise has been transitioned to private ownership.

All of the 193 state-owned enterprises have sat idle since 2003 with the exception of a single heavy industrial plant not far from Baghdad.

For example, on one day in July 2006 there were 93 attacks or significant acts of violence [officially] reported. Yet a careful review of the reports for that single day brought to light 1,100 acts of violence.

Boyd,

This is clearly an interpretation made by the journalist.

I am wondering if every time a soldier fires his rifle if this is an "act of violence"

It's a WAR and this journalist is covering his butt. Sorry.

Is it a bit strange that it has been delayed for months, and is still withheld while the "decider" ignores the joint chiefs and announces his new "plan" for victory?

Posted by Boyd


Ok, let's tell the enemy the plan. Perfect.

For one day. They did not generalize, as you did.

Perhaps the members of the ISG are traitors, too?

Posted by Boyd


Nope, the article plainly points out that he interpreted the report.

Last-
You think Bush has a "secret plan" to win in Iraq?

(So, Baker is not a traitor?)

Have to laugh at LastAmerican, doesn't understand what tour will do.

Why are you laughing at me?

Do you enjoy watching people suffer?

It was a good idea, but the Religious minority did not want it to happen. Thus, the unrest in the region. Who is going to invest in a region when there is so much violence.

Have you gone to sleep? Do you read on;y the news that you agree with?

Crussus, what part of this do you not understand?

Last-
You think, at this point in the game, anyone should have confidence in Bush's judgement over that of the joint chiefs and the ISG report? (I wonder what the NIE will state, if it is ever released)

would nice, too, if Nancy gave impeachment of GW & company a chance as well, but then who would become the new Prezident?:>)

Last-
Do you sorta kinda understand the notion that "deciders" should be held accountable when they screw up again, and again, and again?

Do you grasp that concept?

I agree...

"Critics claimed his extreme measures including the firing of thousands of school teachers and removing Ba'ath party members from top government positions, helped create & worsen an atmosphere of discontent among those who did not "fit in" with the socioeconomic profile the Americans were working with. "


He should have kept the status quo. He should have left the minority Sunni in charge of all of these.

Sounds like he was damned if you do damned if you don't.


Crussus, still laughing?

Still like to see people suffer?

Last-
Do you sorta kinda understand the notion that "deciders" should be held accountable when they screw up again, and again, and again?

Do you grasp that concept?

Posted by Boyd



Yes, I do grasp the concept.

Didn't Bush admit that the were mistakes made and that he took full responsiility for them?

Didn't he say that things are going to be different and thanks to Northguy for pointing out the Iraqi army's victory recently, aren't things different?

Boyd, Do you want Bush to fail?

Are you afraid that things MIGHT get better for everyone involved?

Can you grasp that concept?

Didn't Bush admit that the were mistakes made and that he took full responsiility for them?

Ah..there "were mistakes made". What mistakes? He took "full responsibility" for what mistakes?

would nice, too, if Nancy gave impeachment of GW & company a chance as well, but then who would become the new Prezident?:>)

Posted by Bani


Bani,

I've been asking, on the board, for weeks, why Pelosi does not try to impeach. No one had the stones to answer.

The fact is is that the impeachment would bring out the truth about the war to the American people.

The truth is that America is an empire.

Boyd, Do you want Bush to fail?

No, but that doesn't seem to affect the predictible outcome, which is why I can't understand why you think this jerk should be given any credibility at all.

Last-
I've been asking, on the board, for weeks, why Pelosi does not try to impeach. No one had the stones to answer.

Because it would not be successful, largely due to the people you voted for.

Least: Unlike the Republicans who impeached over a blow job and ended up looking foolish, when and if Pelosi impeaches, it'll be like Nixon. Wait for what comes out of the Libby trial (looking ugly already with Ari needing immunity) and the upcoming hearings as starting points. Much as I agree with you in wanting the corrupt and incompetent Bushies out of the WH and in the slammer, patience is the key word.

LOL Boyd funi flag!

For six years the cranks on the left had only one message: "George is bad, and we're not George."

Now, they are trying to govern with that philosophy. That's why every time you ask a Liberal about Dem leadership, policy, etc.,all they can do is bring up George.

What a pack of decrepit losers

like GW, Vernon?

LastAmerican,

You copy and paste a blurb about Paul Bremer from a wiki type site and think you know what your talking about.

Looking at the posting http://www.drudge.com/news/ 89682/pelosi-visits-iraq- afghanistan#1485377...

The ambitious "shock therapy" plan failed. Foreign investors could not be lured into the uncertain political and security situation in Iraq, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis' livelihoods depended on the state-run manufacturing plants.

Not a single state-owned enterprise has been transitioned to private ownership.

All of the 193 state-owned enterprises have sat idle since 2003 with the exception of a single heavy industrial plant not far from Baghdad.

The poeple of the US do not want Socialism.




Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-01-29 03:01 PM | Reply

Your party does not have the slightest idea what the people of US want so I would not be making any statements on it.

fantastic article, Moneywar!

some great quotes...an early one here:

Torturers believe that when electrical shocks are applied to various parts of the body simultaneously subjects are rendered so confused about where the pain is coming from that they become incapable of resistance. A declassified CIA "Counterintelligence Interrogation" manual from 1963 describes how a trauma inflicted on prisoners opens up "an interval--which may be extremely brief--of suspended animation, a kind of psychological shock or paralysis. . . . [A]t this moment the source is far more open to suggestion, far likelier to comply."

Just keep reading Bani, we will see how you enjoy it, it sad really!

all about power taking w/o giving much back...as usual.

Bani,

all about power taking w/o giving much back...as usual.

LOL!!!!!

I wonder if you actually read the whole thing! LOL!!!

Not your cup of tea, to much reality of what happened over in Iraq and why we have the current problem over there.

Biden: 'Failed Policy' Emboldens Enemy

An Iraqi diplomat said that the government is finally starting work on a long-delayed system to metre its oil production, under international pressure to crack down on oil smuggling, Reuters UK reported.

The Iraqi Oil Ministry has signed a preliminary agreement with the Royal Dutch Shell group to consult with it on creation of a system measuring the flow of oil, gas and related products, whether inside Iraq or for export to foreign markets, the Iraqi Deputy U.N. Ambassador announced.

The ministry also has concluded an agreement to rebuild a metering system in its southern oil port of Basra, where oil is loaded onto tankers for export, the U.N. envoy said in a March 22 letter has circulated at the United Nations.


So we have been protecting their oil huh!!! The wells are not metered so how much oil is being stolen? No reason for this to embolden the people.

Get real folks, you fall back on this lame Bush neocon crap but dismiss all the very issues that have really embolden the enemy. The people of iraq are being raped blind by the U.S. and its cabal government but they are the enemy for fighting this crap.



Posted by moneywar at 2007-01-29 11:25 AM


I've posted the same a few days ago:>)

Bani,

OK, I must be wrong about you, I appologize.

I wonder why the republican party continues down a path they know the American people don't care to go down.

Clearly the Republican party knows the feelings of the American people and they have to know this will not gain them support in the next election.

War is Hell. Having said that, I think GW should claim that he didn't understand what the word "is" meant. Then all the repubs can unanimously back him. Sound familiar?

Do you guys REALLY believe that pelosi went over there and waved her magic wand to make the iraqi army stand up and give a shit? you don't credit the months/years of military training we have provided? way to back the troops and us military. maybe it was the womans touch that was needed all along. nancy SHAZZAM pelosi should visit N'awlins next. Those levies will be fixed up in under a day. Then, off to iran. She can wave her magic wand again and convince the little emporer to give up his nuclear ambitions. we're saved!!!

I apologies for thinking she was just a liberal bitch for all these years.

Your party does not have the slightest idea what the people of US want so I would not be making any statements on it.

Posted by JimmyWallback


As Boyd stated earlier, noone knows what they want, but after four years of Hilary, noone is going to want Socialism.

BTW, thank you for admitting that Hilary is Socialist. Noone has been doing that until lately.

i forgot how much the ME respects the view of women. why didn't we try this before?

"I've been asking, on the board, for weeks, why Pelosi does not try to impeach. No one had the stones to answer.

Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-01-29 03:59 PM"

And we've been asking you how you read the posts of "that Loki guy" even though they didn't exist, and you haven't had the stones to answer that either.

Try to get this through your head: even before you exposed yourself as a unapologetic liar, you had no credibility around here. No one listens to you, or your idiotic pronouncements about how victory is just around the corner in Iraq, and that it is time to plan the V-Day parties. Just belly crawl your useless hide over to a different site and quit embarassing yourself here.

maybe this DR blog is one of LA's "government jobs"?:>)

LostAmerican... after reading and reading and mulling over your posts, trying to understand where your loyalties lie, after much thought, I can't help but come to the conclusion that it must really really suck to be you. Therapy would help, maybe.

"Pelosi Visits Iraq, Afghanistan"

YEAH! But did she get to spend all her time there shopping at the same malls and buying the same hats as Condi?

Yeah, didn't think so!

Won't ake much of this poor time usage to show america how the dems are already done for in 08!

thanks to Northguy for pointing out the Iraqi army's victory recently, aren't things different?

Nothing new, just shia killing sunnis (like Haifa Street last week)with the help of our air support.

The shia ain't gonna share with the sunnis in any way the sunnis will find tolerable.
They prescribe to the FRAM philosophy. Kill them now or kill them later. Only difference is how many more Americans Bush is willing to sacrifice for the sake of his ego.

YEAH! But did she get to spend all her time there shopping at the same malls and buying the same hats as Condi?
Posted by Redneckville


YEAH!

All she did was take some photos and moved on. Did she really go there? Anyone have proof? Oh, nevermind, who needs proof, it was an impotent move anyway.

Boy, this thread died.

... crickets ...

Redneck,
First glance of your post I thought that you were going to talk about how how Pelosi went shopping, but it turns out that you are Pelosi's bitch! Your Speaker-in-Chief

YEAH!

Speaker-in-Chief !

She believes more strongly that pullout will help region

Does anyone seriously believe she would go there, survey the situation and then come out in favor of keeping the troops there?

The result of this trip was a foregone conclusion. She went because she didn't want to take a political hit for defunding the war and undercutting the troops and generals without ever having been to the region.

"Three days in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan have made House Speaker Nancy Pelosi even more certain of her view to move troops out of Iraq. "I believe redeployment of our troops is a step toward stability in the region," she said."

There is no doubt that she had her mind made up before she went there. I don't appreciate her wasting taxpayer money to go on a trip like that for appearance-sake. I doubt anyone over there gave her the time-of-day anyway- who would? People like her should stay home so we can send more troops and guns.

I am sure the military really appreciated her taking time out from running her vinyard worked by NON-UNION workers. I guess she really motivated the troops. Worthless trip indeed.

Go Nancy!

After making NancyBoys out of those Talibanwanabees in the house she is moving on to the rest of the world.

Sorry Red state idiots: the rest of the world isn't as into catfish, BBQ and guns as you are.

BTW: the rest of the world includes San Francisco too.

Is this the Drudge Report?
Did all the Righties click on the wrong line
Shoo Go back to Ann Coulter

yeah, Nancy lead the retreat. Please take responsibility for it also. NOT
This country needs a dose of the REAL liberal agenda. Don,t worry, be happy! I see in my crystal ball these things; 20-25% inflation, Massive unemployment, retirement funds gone, and finally large scale violence. These are the events that are in this country's future, under Socialist Democratic rule.

I have been hearing about first the Communist Boogeyman and now the Socialist Boogeyman
I don't believe in boogeymen

I think you probably don't believe in anything that doesn't fit the agenda. Tell me, did the Bogeymen come on 9/11? Oh, but of course that nastiness was those mean, Americans own fault. What did we expect with
all that talk about self determination and freedom? Why we should be ashamed! It was totally unnecessary for America to use force to stop anyone from dominating the world! Everything would have turned out alright. I mean, ca, ca, can, can't we ALL just get along? I know! We'll just leave the things outside of our country alone. We can invite everyone to dinner.