Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, January 16, 2007

The New York Times, which based its report on an analysis of census results, said 51 percent of women in 2005 reported living without a spouse, up from 35 percent in 1950 and 49 percent in 2000.

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This is a sad commentary of America today.

Compromise doesn't seem to fit in well with living in American life. Wonder how it was so easy to go to war? Wonder how America is deluding the aspects of moral and ethical justice?

Are there really that many bad men? Are there really that many bad women?

The future for our children doesn't look all that great!

I wonder, looking at the economic means and standing in society, how America doesn't view this as a problem.

The plan of the RNC just propagates throughout societies at large.

You really have to chalk this up to feminism and womans rights.

Let's face it guys, women today don't need men like they used to. They can get good paying jobs and have their own life.

Take a woman that married, raised a family then divorced. If she can support herself why would she want to get re-married.

Same goes for me. If something happend to my wife of nearly twenty years there would be no way in hell I would remarry. I would be too busy enjoying my new freedom. (God. That makes me sound like I don't like being married) Not at all, I'm just saying, it would be a lifestyle change that I would learn to enjoy (after the grief of losing my soul mate)

The plan of the RNC just propagates throughout societies at large.

The RNC's plan was to give the feminists what they want? I could check their website Crass but I don't think I'll find that as one of their goals.

2112

Same goes for me. If something happend to my wife of nearly twenty years there would be no way in hell I would remarry. I would be too busy enjoying my new freedom. (God. That makes me sound like I don't like being married) Not at all, I'm just saying, it would be a lifestyle change that I would learn to enjoy (after the grief of losing my soul mate).

You may -- after a grieving period -- buy that red Corvette you've always wanted and hit the club scene and try hooking up with a number of blonde 20 somethings but it will get old after awhile. (I'm assuming that you are maybe in your 30's or 40's) Anyway, stats show that men always remarry sooner than women and they can't function outside of marriage (after having been married) as well as women do.


Here's a song that puts my point across that, although your "new found freedom" may look like fun so you can run around again like you did at 24, when it comes down to relating one on one -- 19 or 20 something year old women really have nothing in common with a guy in his late 30's or older.

(Oh, and your wife did not tell me to put down this song for you :)

Hey Nineteen

Way back when
In 'sixty seven
I was the dandy
Of Gamma Chi
Sweet things from Boston
So young and willing
Moved down to Scarsdale
Where the hell am I
Hey nineteen

No we can't dance together
No we can't talk at all
Please take me along
When you slide on down

Hey nineteen
That's Aretha Franklin
She don't remember
The Queen of Soul
Its hard times befallen
The sole survivors
She thinks I'm crazy
But Im just growing old

Hey nineteen
No we got nothing in common
No we cant talk at all
Please take me along
When you slide on down

The Cuervo Gold
The fine Columbian
Make tonight a wonderful thing

No we cant dance together
No we cant talk at all

-- Steely Dan

Let's face it guys, women today don't need men like they used to. They can get good paying jobs and have their own life.

One cannot wonder the idea of spouse support moving this in the wrong direction.

Women getting free money from ex-partner to raise the child. Maybe a little difficult but a change in the way the funds are used should be in order.

The RNC's plan was to give the feminists what they want?

Yes, if they can get the women on their own than the RNC is by far better off because most women do not vote republican. Hmmmmmmm!!!!!!

The other issue too, is most women don't vote period even when they have the majority in this country.

What better way of removing a large sector of apposed voters than getting the men out of the picture but making them support.

I divorced at age 40 (in 90/91), dated a lot over the next few years had a lot of fun, BUT, the majority of women I dated, late 20's, 30s and 40s had so many snakes in their heads from previous 'relationships', I can appreciate that many, like me, chose not to marry them. I did however eventually meet someone and remarry. BUT I do believe many I met and dated are still be unmarried even after all these years.

To move on in life one must put their past in the past, and so many women more than men cannot.

Yes, if they can get the women on their own than the RNC is by far better off because most women do not vote republican. Hmmmmmmm!!!!!!

I'm sure they drop considerably if they aren't married or living with a man.

LOVES IT - - - when Men discuss Feminism

As IF they have a clue.

LOVES IT - - - when Men discuss Feminism


As IF they have a clue.

Posted by Oscar at 2007-01-16 05:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

I love Feminism, the only one I have to please is myself!

Just means we can go to her place, and she'll never know where I live.

"Snakes in the head", "Feminism"

Sigh

The more women feel the need to be on their own, the more equal the laws should get to being fair for the men in custody battles.

This does put a sad commentary for our country though, neither men nor women have the ability to compromise with each other for the sake of relationship. It appears that America and Americans are becoming a very selfish nation.

"The more women feel the need to be on their own, the more equal the laws should get to being fair for the men in custody battles."

I don't think that either parent, based on their sex, should be automatically given custody.

It goes way beyond that.

Their parenting skills are much more important when raising a child, than what gender raises him/her.

" neither men nor women have the ability to compromise with each other"

My ex and I are very careful and considerate to our little guy and make compromises all the time.

We want him to feel secure, safe and loved.....by both of us.

"The more women feel the need to be on their own, the more equal the laws should get to being fair for the men in custody battles."

What about the Selective Service? Since it's unlikely to be eliminated any time soon, why not legally compell women to register? Why are only guys forced to register?

Concerning this topic, I don't see what the big fuzz is about this, people should lieve as they wish.

My ex and I are very careful and considerate to our little guy and make compromises all the time.

The self retorting retort and even with the notion of compromise involving the children but not the spouse!

Hmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!

The children are learning this exact example in our society, fuck the spouse and forget compromise unless there is money for the children.

"The self retorting retort and even with the notion of compromise involving the children but not the spouse!"

How dare you presume to know what transpired that lead to the divorce??

How dare you presume to think compromises weren't done, and all options were exhausted???

" fuck the spouse and forget compromise unless there is money for the children."

And this....is just as ignorant!

Innie,

Now don't get all emotional on me because it was not meant to be such or malicious in anyway.

I know it came across poorly but it served the purpose it was meant to serve.

You shout about compromise with your ex when it comes to the children....but is that compromise done when the ex agrees with you or when you get over ruled by the ex, all in the name of the children.

If what you say compromise is done involving the children, what was it that impeded compromise in the relationship.

Is the women being abused but not the children, and so the women can compromise with regards to the children but not the relationship.

Sounds like selfishness got in the way of the relationship, or rather, MONEY got in the way.

You just go from bad to worse.

" it was not meant to be such or malicious in anyway"

Are you serious???? I can't see anyone looking at your two posts to me as anything BUT malicious!!

You sit here, in judgment of something you know nothing about, then to add more insult, saying it's MONEY that got in the way.

And for your information, forcing children to be in a household with their mother being abused, is abuse in and of itself.


I am not sure if I want to comment on this anymore, I like the friendship we have but am afraid the emotional feminism has got in the way of conversational debate.

Maybe others can post without worrying that it will draw a questions in emotional baggage.

Divorce seems to be the answer here!

"I like the friendship we have but am afraid the emotional feminism has got in the way of conversational debate."

"Emoional Feminism"??

You're so off base you aren't even in the ballpark anymore.

Sexism reeks from your posts this evening.

"conversational debate??

You aren't debating an issue, you are maliciously attacking my character, with no foundation to make your accusations. You assume many horrible things about me, with no first hand knowledge of what happened.

You admit you come across poorly, then blame my responses on being "emotional".

You don't need to be sure if you want to comment on this anymore...I'm sure as hell done with it.

Congratulations to all those single people out there, more free, healthier, happier and wealthier than their married counterparts. It's time to start rethinking how benefits get distributed. It is unfair to give married couples priviledged treatment when they create so many family problems. Marriage isn't for everyone, and most likely for very few. Don't buy into the hype. Being married is not a great thing.

I am a feminist and 100% believe everyone should register for the military.

It is MEN who make the rules about women in the military. It is MEN who will not let women fight on the front lines.

It is MEN who planned and fought wars leaving the women home to take care of everything.

So the women went out of the home - - got jobs - - built airplanes - - paid the bills - - took care of the home and children.

MEN are responsible for the Women's movement.

They did it all without the men - - - then the men come home and have the audacity to say "Get back in the kitchen?"

LOL

countmyvote, if I could agree with you more than 100% I would, but obviously I can't so you will have to settle for 100% agreement with you.

Congratulations to all those single people out there, more free, healthier, happier and wealthier than their married counterparts.

Stats say guys live longer married than single - something like 4 years get added.

More free? I get to have all the sex I want - just have to roll over and she says "yes". Didn't seem to get that when I woke up alone, pre-nup. Seemed a lot more difficult to secure - flowers, a date, many dates, promises that marriage would follow, etc.

Wealthier? She makes a bundle. We could burn my income for warmth and live on hers. If I were single, I'd only be warm. 'Nuff said.

Healthier? Haven't caught anything from her yet. A benefit of knowing who your partner slept with last night, week, month, year, decade...you get the picture. Hope that rash isn't anything to worry about my friend. Just keep it dry and it will go away. You should tell your last couple of dates however that they need to see a doctor.

I have to give you the benefit of the doubt on the happiness part. You might be happier than I am, by forgoing the above, whilst I have to live with it day in and day out. I know vegetarians would be happier with out meat than I am with it (damn indigestion).

You wouldn't happen to be a member of that club that simply invents feel-good statements would you? A Bush supporter, you know?

Im in my early 30's and haven't found Ms. Right for me yet. I do hold out hope Kirsten Powers is available but I won't hold my breath.

What better way of removing a large sector of apposed voters than getting the men out of the picture but making them support.

Posted by Crassus at 2007-01-16 04:09 PM | Reply

You can't really believe that a political party is conspiring to destroy marriages, just to prevent women from voting?

Shut down your computer, and cancel your cable. Rent a cabin in the Sierras and get some rest. You are a genuine crackpot.

It is MEN who make the rules about women

Posted by Oscar at 2007-01-16 10:25 PM | Reply

That's the way nature, and God, intends things.

Vernon - - - I refrain from responding to your archaic "religiosity" comment.

A male was at one time needed when brute physical strength was required for survival.

In this evolved age of the so called civilized world of intelligence - - - I personally see men as obsolete.

Vern,

No I don't believe it at all, just trying to spark conversation toward this societal enigma.

My actual thought is it is sad that the institution of marriage is nothing worth compromise in the future of the family unit.

Why all the hubbub over gay marriage when it appears it is not such a sacred idea.

In this evolved age of the so called civilized world of intelligence - - - I personally see men as obsolete.

Yes it does appear this way, until a child is wanted, then money is needed too.

Hmmmm!!!!!

I find the examples we lead create future generations of the same example. What shall we expect from our children and what our society of selfishness portray.

In this evolved age of the so called civilized world of intelligence - - - I personally see men as obsolete.

Posted by Oscar

Until you need something heavy moved.

Byrdman - - I've worked in a warehouse - - I can push my foot down on a gas pedal just the same as any man.

I have moved an entire house of furniture single handed.

And there is always teamwork when needed.

Hey - - the need for the male ego and proving his power is no longer needed for evolvement of the species.

Especially with the invention of cryogenics.

Shame you hate men. Not sure the cause but I am sure there is one. I'm no longer married and have a horrible ex but I don't hate all women.

Especially with the invention of cryogenics.

The moral woman at her best!!!!

Byrdman - - Typical response from a man when as a woman I see reality. I don't hate men.

Actually I was married to my first husband for 14 years - - divorced him because he was jealous of his children.

Been married to second husband for 13 years.

Crassus - - I have read many of your posts regarding Women - Divorce - Courts - the system is against you - etc. etc.

You have your own issues.

As far as "moral" - - - it has been the most overused and abused word or term ever since Bush took office.

You want Moral - - - then you get out and campaign for mandatory Paternity DNA testing.

Crassus - - I have read many of your posts regarding Women - Divorce - Courts - the system is against you - etc. etc.

Funny, I wonder what you have read in many of my post regarding women, divorce, and the courts.



You want Moral - - - then you get out and campaign for mandatory Paternity DNA testing.

For what:

Hey - - the need for the male ego and proving his power is no longer needed for evolvement of the species.

Especially with the invention of cryogenics.


A better way to extract money from your would be horn ball?

Men are just jealous of Women because it only takes one head for them to think with Unlike Men.

Larry

This article is a load of crap. The author used in his stats, all females 15 and older. Most females between 15 and 19 are single. He also included widows, who are not single by choice. So an unscrupulous author can cook the stats any way he/she so chooses (to advance their agenda).

I honestly think most people would prefer to be in some type of long term partnership if given a choice. I'm single but would give marriage another shot if I found somebody compatible. Being alone all the time isn't human nature for most people. Luckily though if you are willing to make adjustments there is somebody for everybody.

Your response to - - - mandatory Paternity DNA testing - - - is typical male.

Interesting how people can pick and choose Moral when it is important to them - - - but be confused by and/or find other situations to be without merit.

Byrdman - - I do agree with you in regards to "some type" of long term partnership.

I don't necessarily believe One Man - One Woman is the only type partnership to be considered.

I tend to lean toward small family groupings.

I view life and "things" as I see them - - without picking a formula they need to be squeezed into.

Of course, if gay marriage were permitted, the numbers would go up dramatically.

Too many lesbians and American men are assholes. I think 51% is generous.

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No, seriously, these stats are a joke, just as AIR said above. The whole concept is laughable, and pointless. Nothing to see here folks...

""It is MEN who make the rules about women

Posted by Oscar at 2007-01-16 10:25 PM | Reply

That's the way nature, and God, intends things.""

Thanks Vern, you explained perfectly why many women choose to live without men.
I don't lump all men together though, but the ones like Vern deserve to live alone.

I am the contrary type cause I hope IF and I do mean IF I get Married the Woman will wear the Pants in the Household. I will wear WHATEVER She tells me Providing it's not some God Damned Zoot Suit or a Suit Period. Because they make Me want to vomit.

Larry

I have noticed a phenomenon lately which will cause many men to lose their wives or girlfriends. Video games, I visit freinds and can't believe the guys sit and play for hours on end, ignoring their women. I know several relationships right now that are in jeopardy due only to this one fault of the guys. Clue for guys, women don't really like being ignored all the time. Looking at your back while you play a silly game they are getting angrier by the minute. Eventually they are going to look for and find attention.

ohRah I would hope She would have more class than that but like I said She would make the rules I don't.

Larry

Danni,

Clue for guys, women don't really like being ignored all the time. Looking at your back while you play a silly game they are getting angrier by the minute. Eventually they are going to look for and find attention.

And something I tell my lady friends is "speak up and tell your man that he is pissing you off." A few seem to have a problem with this, and frankly bad communication will do just as much to kill a relationship as not communicating at all. :)

Anyway ... I have an observation about this thread. Roughly half of all Americans are men. If most American women are unmarried, and if gay marriage is illegal, then it stands to follow that most American men are also unmarried. Therefore I think we can't hope to find the truth of the matter by focusing on just one segment of the population.

Been married to second husband for 13 years.

Posted by Oscar
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And I'm sure he feels very appreciated, considering he's obsolete and all that. Why don't you just divorce him, so he can find himself someone who doesn't think he's a turd?

Anyway ... I have an observation about this thread. Roughly half of all Americans are men. If most American women are unmarried, and if gay marriage is illegal, then it stands to follow that most American men are also unmarried.

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Couple of things. First, there are more women than men, for several reasons. Primarily, because women survive men by an average of 4 years. So a good chunk of the "unmarried" in this survey are widows whose husbands have predeceased them. So, no, as of right now, the majority of American men happen to be married. Not necessarily "happily married", though :)

And what does gay marriage have to do with it?

Ah, I figured it out. You're inferring that were gay marriage to be legal, many more men would marry (each other), driving the marriage rate up. Presumably the same is true of women too.
Interesting point.

I was using gay marriage as part of a quick and dirty proof that if most women are unmarried then so are most men. I hadn't factored widowers in ... frankly ... I don't think those eighty year old women should be dating :)

I wonder, looking at the economic means and standing in society, how America doesn't view this as a problem.

The plan of the RNC just propagates throughout societies at large.

Posted by Crassus


What is the problem?

I've been single for 9 years after being married for 17. My personal experience is there are many more women longing for husbands then there are men longing for wives.

Anyone else thinking this may go hand in hand with the growing obesity problem in America?

LOL. No, Rob--we left that to you :)

I don't think those eighty year old women should be dating :)

Posted by Pleasantville

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You'd be surprised, P'ville. My grandmother was in a fairly exclusive nursing home in Indianapolis, and from her stories it sounded like the Playboy mansion. It has taken five years and hundreds of hours in therapy to erase most of the images conjured up in my imagination during my conversations with her.

Cali Chris,

Great Song and some good points. It got me thinking.
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"LOVES IT - - - when Men discuss Feminism

As IF they have a clue.

Posted by Oscar at 2007-01-16 05:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

I love Feminism, the only one I have to please is myself!"

Funy flag!

"As if they have a clue"
I have a huge clue,

Feminism leads to Lesbianism.

After all, I am a lesbian trapped in a male body!

I'm stepping in here, and damn the consequences.

I tend to think that "most American women are unmarried", because more and more American men are realizing they can do their own dang cooking and cleaning, and it isn't as hard as they thought it might be. Hence, no need for a spouse to do these things for him, especially with the mainly unwanted side effects (the constant nagging, just for example).

Oscar thinks men are obsolete? Fair enough, I tend to think women are needed only for the perpetuation of the species. You know, maybe the Tleilaxu had the right idea after all...

You may now commence your hating. Bring it on, but be advised, I'll be away from my desk for a few minutes, I have to get lunch quick.

2112 - - "Feminism Leads to Lesbianism"

I must say 2112 - - you prove your brain capacity every time you "open your mouth or get near a keyboard".

Thanks for the compliment Oscar.

Oh I wish I had an Oscar Meyer Weener........................
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Funny you should choose such a theme song.

Very Freudian don't cha think?

RIR - - - my hubby of 13 years is not obsolete - he is a brilliant man - he reads this board and we discuss the different viewpoints.

He has not posted on this board yet - - but we belong to another forum where we both participate.

He is also 21 years younger then me - - and NO - - I don't play the mother role. That would be Icky.

Actually 2112 - - I always use a man's name because - - over all - - I am treated better in forums.

It actually began as Oliver - but somewhere along the line got switched to Oscar.

A strong sounding name people don't forget. Simple logic.

Most females between 15 and 19 are single. (And most still live with their parents)He also included widows, who are not single by choice.(widows can't re-marry? Since when) So an unscrupulous author can cook the stats any way he/she so chooses (to advance their agenda).
And a stupid poster can do the same.

What's interesting about this is not today, but the 35% back in 1950. So much for that Ozzie and Harriet fantasy world the Republicans want to go back to. Can't imagine how hard that would have been on a woman, especially a single mom.

Living wages for women (used to work with a group of women who could only get P/T hours. They used to say they were one husband away from poverty), easier divorce and better child support for women so they don't have to live with a drunk/abusive husband, more couples with one spouse living in care facilities rather than at home due to health problems as we live longer, and a shift in societal pressure away from marry young and breed.

"I always use a man's name because - - over all - - I am treated better in forums."

Oh, yeah, I can see how well your treated here.

Stand up for yourself as a woman, don't hide behind a strap on name like Oscar.

Take it from Lisa. She is well liked here and much respected.

I am going to be nothing but rude to you until you change your user name to reflect you're gender.

You think I am making this stuff up.

ARE MEN BECOMING OBSOLETE?

Genetically engineered mice reach adulthood via 'virgin birth' - By Sid Kirchheimer

If research in mice holds true, men -- and hence, their manly services -- may no longer be needed.

At least that's the indication of a new study boasting a scientific first: Mice that reached adulthood through parthenogenesis, a form of reproduction in which the female egg develops into a live birth without male fertilization.

Parthenogenesis, from the Greek word for "virgin birth," is old hat for egg-laying species such as insects, fish, and lizards. With these species, which ironically includes some birds and bees (the very symbol for the more traditional way of making babies), females produce eggs, but they develop without any help or need of would-be fathers.

OH! 2112 - - you're attempt to threaten me with rudeness is hilarious. Rudeness is nothing compared to un-effective brain usage.

I can easily ignore.

"Un-effective"

Yeah, tell me about brain usage and it's ineffectiveness.

Oscar,

Interesting. So when you post with a "girly" name people don't take you as seriously as when you post with a "manly" name? Pretty sad.

Oscar

I just think you should be proud to be a woman and use a woman's user name.

If you have not noticed it actually garners MORE respect on this blog than others as there are many men here just drooling over ANY attention bestowed upon them by a woman.

Give it some thought, I won't bug you any more than I already do.

And, I am looking forward to a debate with you on Mormonism. I promice to remain somewhat civil.

Pleasantville - - - absolutely true - - and yes it is sad.

I tried an experiment once signing up under both a male and female name in a forum.

There is a definite difference between how one is treated in a forum based on gender.

You should try it sometime - - would love to hear your opinion.

The only people who have a problem with women being single are the same people who are all for arranged marriages. I love the fact that there are so many women out and about on the weekends, it makes the fishing all that more fun. It has started with Gen X'ers and moved down the line, we like to have fun, be independent and have many experiences with multiple partners. We are not put off to marriage we just saw how too many of the old generation stayed together and saw women getting beaten, men hating their wives and cheating on them, parents not really wanting their children and so many more cases that we decided when we get married we want it to stick. So we get the fun out of the way and get married at a later age...makes sense to me....plus who doesn't like to find a cougar at their local watering hole every now and then.

Vernon is right.

God intended the man to lead.

The problems come in when the man does not live up to that role and women start to distrust their husbands ability as the leader, taking charge.

Each side will blame the other. That's the way it always goes here.

I personally don't want to get married again. And I don't think it's that big of a deal.

2112 - - knowledge and understanding come from Internal experience and involvement - - not External experiences and written material which usually has an agenda. The beginnings of anything are often obscure and/or misconstued over time. The end result can often be better or worse then originally mapped out.

RE: ineffective - uneffective - - I love grammar and word usage. I try. And I check my spelling. I wish my local college offered a class in those - - but they don't. I've taken 2 classes in Creative writing - both with in-effective instructors. Perhaps I will try again. Maybe I should try English as a second language.

I have no problem admitting mistakes.

I have to admit that I give "Oscar" more respect then I would is she used her stage name, "Candy"

Sorry Lisa - - - I do not believe the same God you and Vernon seem to.

Leadership - - she or he - who is best qualified for the situation.

Man may have been designed with physical strength to protect - - but I do not see where that qualifies him in a leadership role.

In modern society where brute strength has been mostly relegated to sporting activities - - - it is Intelligence that is the new qualifier for leadership.


Actually 2112 - - I always use a man's name because - - over all - - I am treated better in forums.

It actually began as Oliver - but somewhere along the line got switched to Oscar.

A strong sounding name people don't forget. Simple logic.

Posted by Oscar at 2007-01-17 12:31 PM


That's interesting, at first I thought you were another one of those self loathing males, now I see you are another one of those male loathing women.

When you type away on your keyboard, remember the men who made that possible, men who invented the computer, television, radio, the car your drive to work in. The drugs you take to heal you, etc. etc.

Both men and women are useful, they frequently bring different perspectives to problems and can work to solve goals well.
But how many women have won Nobel prizes? How can an obsolete group of individuals be responsible for so much of the brain power in the upper echelons of intellectual matters?

To say men are obsolete just proves you haven't thought about it much, that you actually have a mental deficiency yourself that you should work on.

LOL Libssuck - - - too funny.

Candy
I call my sugar Candy
Because I'm sweet on Candy
and Candy's sweet on me

She understands me
My understanding Candy
And Candy's always handy
When I need sympathy

You wish that there were four of her
So I could love much more of her
She has taken your complete heart
Got a sweet tooth for my sweetheart

Big John - - interesting name.

Love the ego.

AGAIN - - you think I make this stuff up?

Men are on the lonely road to becoming the obsolete sex.

Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 01/5/07

I'm just hoping the museum exhibits about men are at least somewhat favorable.

Because dudes are done.

We've outlived our usefulness, purpose and relevancy, and soon enough we're going to go the way of the human appendix and the eight-track player.

And once we become extinct, I'm fearful that women really aren't going to care. Sure, they may put up an exhibit at the natural history museum, or do a special on TV.

But other than that, will they even notice? The only things we've ever been good for -- procreation, protection and making cash -- can now be done by women themselves.

Oscar--

DONT RUN AND HIDE


You have some splainin to do:

"I am still an official member of "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints". Was married and sealed in the Los Angeles Temple. And have great respect for these people."

And in another post:

"....Mormon. Most beliefs begin in strange ways - - IMO - - its where you take it from there. The Mormon .................
I left because I am a femnist - can not support a patriarch system. But still have fondness for them....."

So either way you are a LIAR!!!!

Plain and simple.


WANT TO TRY AND CLEAR THIS UP?

""Vernon is right.

God intended the man to lead.""

Lisa is entitled to believe whatever she wants but I respectfully, totally disagree.

That's right Oscar, don't address the points, make fun and deflect.
Do you work for the Bush admin or something?

Why are men still dominant in receiving Nobel prizes? That's pretty good for an obsolete sex.

That, or you are full of what some call, 'the bull shit'.

Big John - - your Caveman is showing.

2112 - - - I realize you have personal issues regarding Mormons.

This is not the place to discuss it.

Proving my point Oscar, you are a plain and simple man hater, no better and no worse than a woman hater.

You are pathetic.

"Exodus 21:10 God ordains men taking several wives and even sets up laws as to how multiple wives should be handled."

Anyone who believes in this god should belive like lisa does. You are not a handler if you are not meant to led.

Sad, that people believe this rubbish.

Perhaps you might want to read the entire article. This is just one of many. As I've said - I'm not making this up.

Men are on the lonely road to becoming the obsolete sex
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 01/5/07

www.app.com


And here is a book: Adam's Curse: A Future without Men

www.amazon.com

And I'll look up a book on amazon that talks all about how women are the cause of the fall of man, or some other such nonsense.

It's still nonsense, and it isn't cute. It's irrational, derogatory, and stupid.

As a Woman - - who has lived through many years of life.

I stand by my viewpoint.

At least my viewpoint is not based on - bruised ego - and emotions.

Oscar, are you a woman or a man? Or are two different people posting under your name? In one post, you say you have a husband, and in another, you sound like you're a man. Can't figure it out.

Oscar, are you a woman or a man? Or are two different people posting under your name? In one post, you say you have a husband, and in another, you sound like you're a man. Can't figure it out.

Posted by rightisright at 2007-01-17 02:13 PM | Reply


SHe is a Woman You know an Innie and NOT an Outie??

Larry

"Anyway ... I have an observation about this thread. Roughly half of all Americans are men. If most American women are unmarried, and if gay marriage is illegal, then it stands to follow that most American men are also unmarried."

Couple of things. First, there are more women than men, for several reasons. Primarily, because women survive men by an average of 4 years. So a good chunk of the "unmarried" in this survey are widows whose husbands have predeceased them. So, no, as of right now, the majority of American men happen to be married. Not necessarily "happily married", though :)
And what does gay marriage have to do with it?
Posted by rightisright at 2007-01-17 10:01 AM


Men take far more risks regarding their personal health than women do. Men are more apt to conflict rather than compromise. Men are easily controlled by those "impulses", women are less so.

I have noticed a phenomenon lately which will cause many men to lose their wives or girlfriends. Video games, I visit freinds and can't believe the guys sit and play for hours on end, ignoring their women. I know several relationships right now that are in jeopardy due only to this one fault of the guys. Clue for guys, women don't really like being ignored all the time. Looking at your back while you play a silly game they are getting angrier by the minute. Eventually they are going to look for and find attention.
Posted by danni at 2007-01-17 09:02 AM


This is related to my ridicule above - men require different stimulation in different sequence than women. Obviously generalizations are poor even when factualized by percentages and census. This doesn't excuse poor behavior or abuse of relationships, but points out that video gaming is mainly self-taught and easily related to self-satisfaction that men are addicted to.

Generations of Americans haven't required hunting for food, but the ability to stimulate or emulate the capacity has changed. Video games are also providing immediate gratification which males are more apt to be satisfied with. Women are more driven to complexity, romance and intellectualism, but are capable of enjoying video games.

This may be related to why certain people are better hunters than others, among men in particular.

Imo, gays represent the best of both worlds, ie myself - I can hunt and nurture. Many straight men are programmed to fear us, but generally we are more capable than they are in every regard.

This is also a reason that many straight men are deeply attracted to lesbianism. Ego, self-aggrandizement and other stimulation are addictive.

I personally blame all this petty intergender bickering on the toilet seat wars. That and the assumption that I'm somehow responsible for all furniture moving, landscaping and automotive repair.

I actually had a "feminist" (wink wink) woman I was dating dump me with the line "I have a trust fund and an Adam & Eve catalogue...what do I need you for?" That's what I get for dating comedians.

Welcome to Drudgsterdome, Oscar. I see you're making friends. A little advice...reasoned discourse is a rare occurance here. This is a rubber rodeo of ill-framed agenda and you'll find that most thin-skinned saddles here have a plethora of burrs under them. You're not an escapee from Eschaton, are you?

Oscar, are you a woman or a man? Or are two different people posting under your name? In one post, you say you have a husband, and in another, you sound like you're a man. Can't figure it out.
Posted by rightisright

Rightisright

Oscar is a man hating woman, who speaketh in tounges and lies like a rug. She claims to be a christian and a recent mormon convert (at least part of the time) of which she is neither based on her posting history.

I called her out on a lie here and she dissapeared.

Anywhoo tell her I'm looking for her if you bump into her here.

LOL - - I sound like a man.

Could you clarify that please?

Imo, gays represent the best of both worlds, ie myself - I can hunt and nurture. Many straight men are programmed to fear us, but generally we are more capable than they are in every regard.
This is also a reason that many straight men are deeply attracted to lesbianism. Ego, self-aggrandizement and other stimulation are addictive.

Posted by redlightrobot

Reddistrictwannabe,

If you know anything about me you would know I am not a homophobe and do not have anything wrong with gays persay however your above statement sort of pissed me off. To state that gays are"more capable than straights in every regard" really is egotistical, self grandizing and actually sort of goes against the whole "we are perfectly normal people and should be accepted in society" thing.

You either need to clairify your statement or take it back alltogether.

Which is it?

O-S-C-A-R

So what about this lying thing?

I thought the battle of boys are better or girls are better stopped when most folks reach puberty. Me thinks those who believe their gender superior to the other have issues.

Hey Dutch - - Nope - I'm just me. Never heard of Eschaton.

Have always walked my own road. Actually got in trouble in grade school back in the 50s for THINKING.

No prob - I can do the "wave".

Danni,

Redlight was saying gay men are better than straight men.

I am just asking for clairification form him.

form=from

I am such a fat fingered fuck!

LOL - - I sound like a man.

Could you clarify that please?

Posted by Oscar

* * * * *

The only things we've ever been good for -- procreation, protection and making cash -- can now be done by women themselves.

Posted by Oscar

* * * * *

Yeah. "We've", "women themselves"--this sounds like a man tlaking.

Oscar,

You can ignore me and that's fine I will lose interest rapidly, however you should be a little more honest on here.
This is not a place to just spew out lies about yourself and other things. The people here deserve better.

The fact remains that you have contradicted yourself and I am asking which it is, and why?

"I am still an official member of "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints". Was married and sealed in the Los Angeles Temple. And have great respect for these people."
-O-S-C-A-R

And in another post:

"....Mormon. Most beliefs begin in strange ways - - IMO - - its where you take it from there. The Mormon .................
I left because I am a femnist - can not support a patriarch system. But still have fondness for them....."
O-S-C-A-R-


So, which is it?

"Sorry Lisa - - - I do not believe the same God you and Vernon seem to."

You're free to believe in whom ever or what ever you choose.

Brute strength has nothing to do with man being the leader to his wife and family.

It's inner strength, that leads.

Since WWII, there's been a large increase of men who have dodged their role as the man of the house, leaving their wives and families upon their return. Women have had to pick up the slack. And now, men and womens roles are intertwined, rather being seperate and distinctive.

"Lisa is entitled to believe whatever she wants but I respectfully, totally disagree."

LO...I KNEW you would! I smiled as I typed that thinking...I wonder how long it will take Danni to find this comment!

BTW....I haven't gotten your email address to send you information on Drudgestock '07. You are the one person I was looking forward to sitting around yakking with over a few beers.

BTW BTW....did you get a chuckle when I was called a "feminist" early on in this thread?? lol

2112 - - it is your issue - - not interested.

Moved on.

Rightisright - - The only things we've ever been good for -- procreation, protection and making cash -- can now be done by women themselves.

I did not write that - - it is from an article.

Somebody get me a switch...This Oscar is starting to get upity!

"Moved on."

Maybe, BUT YOUR STILL A LIAR!

Oscar's a dude.

Oscar on masterbation:

"this evolved age of the so called civilized world of intelligence - - - I personally see women as obsolete"

Why don't you guys just leave her alone??

Oh thank you Lisa - - please understand I do have my viewpoints - - but I still respect yours - - even if it doesn't always come off that way. 60 years packs in quite a load of experiences to draw from when forming an opinion.

Oscar is a post-op tranny?

Lisa,

I was just trying to get him to admit that he lied. On another thread he explained to my satisfaction why he said what he said.

I will lay off the Mo Mo bashing for now as I now know that he is not a true mormon.

Oscar,

Thanks for your explination on the other thread. I will respect your fear of talking about a religion you do not believe in for fear of being excommunicated as it would certinally piss off your wifes parents.

I am done with this for now. Next time just try being a little more honest dude.

101

You're still killing me!!!!!!!

...60 years packs in quite a load...


NO COMMENT

It shouldnt be surprising that only 30 percent of black women are married; I mean when they have so many kids outside of marriage, its gonna be really difficult to find a spouse who's gonna want to deal with 10 kids who arent his running around.

"please understand I do have my viewpoints"

Of course.

I hope you were able to catch my response to you on that thread that I told you to "settle down". If you read it, you'll understand why I wanted that neighborhood in particular to know if those two boys were molested.

2112:

I believe Oscar is a woman.

She isn't the only female here with a masculine handle, you know!

Now...behave yourself!

"I always use a man's name because...

So you sign up here with a male name to gain respect that you claim would not be granted if you went by Sandra or somin'? Well at least us guys are not completely useless yet, our names still have a little value. But if you use a "strong" name to purposely misrepresent yourself, why then 'jump out of the closet' on the first thread you see dealing with gender?
Kinda counter-productive wouldn't you say, Oscar?
And if it is such a big deal--this whole manly/feminine name--why not pick something gender neutral?

Oscar's a dude.
Women are rarely this full of shit.

Yes Lisa - - I believe it is a sensitive subject for both of us.

I do understand your viewpoint - - I still won't let my 13 year old grandson out of my site when he is with me.

I just assume these types are everywhere. When I was a child it was our City Councilman who was molesting teenage girls. I was too young for his liking at the time - - but my friend was one of his victims.

**Subject reminder: Most American Women Unmarried

Lisa says
"I believe Oscar is a woman."

It's hard to say with all of the lies he has told to date.

Lisa says
"Now...behave yourself!"

Awwwwwwww. C'mon. I was having so much fun. Anyway, I have backed off. I won't pick on him quite so much.

Lisa says,
She isn't the only female here with a masculine handle, you know!

Such as? You have my e-mail (hint hint)

****Subject Reminder: (four asterisks)
Most American Men are actually pos(t)ing on drudge as Married Women.

Actually 2112 - - I always use a man's name because - - over all - - I am treated better in forums.

It actually began as Oliver - but somewhere along the line got switched to Oscar.

A strong sounding name people don't forget. Simple logic.

Posted by Oscar at 2007-01-17 12:31 PM


lol, Oscar, I thought you were a lesbian.

Regarding relationships, I really think the ultimate in effectiveness would be to have women make the decisions and men do the work. Women have the mind, men have the muscle, it's simple. It's when men begin to "think" that we start to get into trouble...

2112:

Did you include your handle in your email??

I don't think so, send me one saying it's you.

Also, I've been to chat rooms with a female id and, omg, what a difference it makes! Women have more fun, hands down.

"Women have more fun, hands down."

Yep.

Isn't it strange that over the past couple of weeks we've had some new "women" posting here? Especially since these "Women" have been typing some strange shit.

"MaryContrary" is a dude posting as a woman too.

Personally I think they're trying to strike up some conversation with an unsuspecting male drudgie...

"Personally I think they're trying to strike up some conversation with an unsuspecting male drudgie..."


Hmmmm....let's see who has taken the bait:

Why, it's 2112 and YOU!!

LMAO!

Lisa,
handle is in e-mail and on it's way
2112

Loves it! Men deciphering women.

What we are "allowed" to think and say as women. How we are "allowed" to act.

And because my viewpoint annoys "some" men - I must be a man hater.

I do not hide who I am - - I've stated many times I am a woman. But - the strong male name still works on the subconscious.

Don't you guys realize everything you are saying has no effect on me - - - what it does do - - is reveal your own thoughts and emotions?

I would like to see a trend line with unmarried women and % obesity in the US - I think you will find a really good correlation. Frankly, there simply aren't enough chubby-chasers and black men make up at most 7% of the US population - where are these large white women expected to find love?

Bellaspapa,

Regarding relationships, I really think the ultimate in effectiveness would be to have women make the decisions and men do the work. Women have the mind, men have the muscle, it's simple. It's when men begin to "think" that we start to get into trouble...

I have to disagree based on the number of times I have heard women spend twenty or more minutes trying to figure out whether she should wear her hair up or down.

LOL Bellaspapa - - - this is priceless - - "Regarding relationships, I really think the ultimate in effectiveness would be to have women make the decisions and men do the work. Women have the mind, men have the muscle, it's simple. It's when men begin to "think" that we start to get into trouble..."

NO - not a Lez - had my chances but never leaned that way. Even during those Wild and Crazy Free Love Days.

Don't you guys realize everything you are saying has no effect on me - - - what it does do - - is reveal your own thoughts and emotions?

Read this thought..................!!!!

Got it and responded.

do not hide who I am - - I've stated many times I am a woman. But - the strong male name still works on the subconscious.

Don't you guys realize everything you are saying has no effect on me - - - what it does do - - is reveal your own thoughts and emotions?

Posted by Oscar


like Oscar Wilde?

You know Oscar....I gotta tell ya, I'm a pretty strong female when I need to be, but I use my name, which is pretty feminine.

I don't need to use a masculine handle, to prove it.

101 - - - here is my joined date: Joined 2005/08/02

But like most - - read forum for a while before joining.

YOu know Oscar, if you changed your handle to "Nel Carter", 101 would never pick on you.

He may, however, follow you home.

Lisa - I don't need to use a male name either - - obviously I'm strong minded. A female name would have no effect on my opinions.

I originally used Oliver - somehow it evolved to Oscar.

It was originally an experiment - now I just like the name.

Ok. No criticizm was intended...just made a statement.

Lisa - I didn't take it as criticism - was just explaining.

Love the Nell Carter comment.

101 loves her "rack".

lol

That's it for me today.

I'm shutting this thing down.

You all have a good night.

Ciao!

Most American Women Unmarried

Well perhaps if they gave more head they could attract a husband.

Jeffj,

Thank you for boiling this thread down to it's common denomonator.

Touche

I am always willing to do my part, 2112.


How did dinner with dad go?

husband and wife on their wedding smiling ear to ear.

husband: just got the best blowjob he ever got

Wife: last blowjob she will ever have to do

sn't it strange that over the past couple of weeks we've had some new "women" posting here? Especially since these "Women" have been typing some strange shit.

"MaryContrary" is a dude posting as a woman too.

Personally I think they're trying to strike up some conversation with an unsuspecting male drudgie...



Posted by 101Chairborne



coming from a primate posting as a homo sapien

"Well perhaps if they gave more head they could attract a husband."

Well perhaps if they showered more than once a week, they'd get more head.

Now I'm really out of here.

I have to disagree based on the number of times I have heard women spend twenty or more minutes trying to figure out whether she should wear her hair up or down.

Posted by Pleasantville at 2007-01-17 04:30 PM


ahhhh... but these are only the women who have been brainwashed into thinking it's the hair on top of their head that attracts a man.

btw... I worked with Kindergarten kids for a few years. Don't tell me women aren't the thinkers. While the boys pound each other silly, the girls scheme and spread rumors.

Where a boy might kick a girl, the girl will say something so cruel and calculated to him it'll give him an emotional complex he won't solve till he's 45, and divorced, if ever.

They think strategically from birth and they really know how to get their way behind the scenes. Misunderestimate wimmin' at your own peril. That's been my experience, anyway.

"the strong male name still works on the subconscious."

Posted by Oscar at 2007-01-17 04:29 PM


Actually, it's a pretty dorky male name. Not much better than Felix.

"Big Dick" is an imposing male name.

BELLA - - - too funny - - you crack me up : )

""Oscar's a dude.
Women are rarely this full of shit.""

Then many of the guys here must think I am pretty rare.

Most American Women Unmarried

A huge percentage of American women are selfish, flighty, insecure, needy and psychotic, and quite capable of concealing those traits during the dating phase

White 'career' American chicks are the bottom of the barrel marriage-wise.

Foreign women from South America, Eastern Europe, and Asia are at the top. Only guys who travel (in other words, guys who are successful and ambitious enough to travel a lot) find these. But they never, ever go back.

Foreign-born women living in the US are the next best. They get married early...they are highly sought-after by American guys for their wifely skills (hell, any women who has ANY ability to be a wife is better than your average American chick, who knows NOTHING about being a wife)

Bottom of the barrel---white American chicks. Yecch.

>

I will go one step further and differentiate between Western women vs. non-Western women. This is not just an American phenomenon, most women in Western countries have that cold, bitchy, superficial, stuck up attitude. A lot of Western women hold themselves as the pure center of the relationship. If the men don't fit a rigid and unrealistic criteria or she doesn't feel the man can take care of her enough (even if she has a higher paying job) then she will drop him like a hot potato, regardless of his character or commitment to the relationship.

Popular Myth: Western men looking for foreign wives are only seeking subservient slaves.

Truth: Most Western men today are evolved and modern and truly believe in the 50/50 system. Most Western men are dismayed by the lack of sincerity of Western women. I can do my own laundry and cooking thank you!

Yes, Latin American and Eastern European women do make better mates because both come from more conservative and family oriented cultures where relationships and commitment are actually revered.

I was absolutely blown away by the quality of women on my trip to eastern Europe. Classy, cultured, traditional values, how could you ask for more?

This does put a sad commentary for our country though, neither men nor women have the ability to compromise with each other for the sake of relationship. It appears that America and Americans are becoming a very selfish nation.

Posted by Crassus at 2007-01-16 07:24 PM | Reply | Flag


I can't believe I'm saying this, but you totally hit the nail on the head.

People today are brought up to think that marriage is all about making ME happy. As soon as it gets tough, they call it quits. People also have this unrealistic notion that marriage is always bliss.

My hypothesis is that people who stay happily married do so because they view marriage as being more about making the other person happy (and the children, if applicable). If you think that marriage is a 50/50 proposition, you will not stay married. For a marriage to work it has to be "100/100" (mathematics be damned).

Another problem is prevailing attitudes about "love". In a sense it's a language problem. The ancient Greeks had half a dozen different words that translate into English as "love." For a marriage to last more than a few years there has to be agape (self-giving love, genuinly desiring the good of another above oneself) as well as eros (romance/sexual attraction). But most people (or so I would argue) think only of romantic love when they hear the word "love" -- at least as it pertains to marriage.

American women..
- highest maintenance (I've never heard of a foreign bride demanding her husband buy expensive house & cars)
- fattest in the world
- most likely to cheat
- highest rate of divorce (60% - US-US marriages; 20% - US-foreign marriages)
- largest payout in divorce court (you'll be ass-raped for everything you earned, plus most of what you will earn for years to come)
- bitchiest
- most likely to nag constantly
- most likely to believe in feminism and "equality"
- most likely to hate men
- spend least amount of time with her children
- worst at cooking and cleaning
- fucked & chucked by tons of guys before tricking you into marriage.

3 reasons to marry an American woman

You actually believe BBW = big BEAUTIFUL wife.
You believe nagging is essential for personal growth.
You really look forward to the day your BBW wife divorces you and you gladly fork over 50% over your hard earned assets, plus child support and alimony (a lard ass bitch for sure is not going to have a good job). Then after that you have to figure out how to live on 20% of your income.

I'll bet you're a real catch, Professor.

I'll bet you're a real catch, Professor.

Posted by Boyd at 2007-01-17 06:47 PM


BOYD-I wouldn't even consider dating an American women, the majority are bitchy prudes that only put out when they think they can cash in. I for one will never spend a huge amount of money on some stupid bitch just to get laid. Mexican and Asian women are a much better choice and they look better than American chics too.

"A successful man is one who makes more money than his wife spends. A successful woman is one who marries a successful man."

I can see that some men need to evolve and get out of the dark ages.

Some still look at women as "wives" - - not as equal partners in intelligence and purpose.

Interesting how men see women by how they themselves are treated.





BOYD-Are you a loser or a pussy?

Let's translate "loser" from women-speak into English.
"Loser" in woman-speak simply means a man who is smart enough to do things that are in HIS best interest.

You don't spend your hard-earned money on women - you are a loser
You expect regular sex - you are a loser
You are not interested in marriage - you are a loser
You don't want to be stuck with kids - you are a loser
You don't want to slave away 60 hours a week so a woman can buy a new SUV every year - you are a loser
You prefer South American women who treat you better - you are a HUUGE LOOOSER
The alternative to "loser" is a pussyfied man, or simply a pussy. A pussyfied man does what a woman wants - he is a docile schmuck who slaves away at work and pays her bills and not pesters her for sex. Another words, he is an ideal husband.

What is it BOYD?

Professor-
Let's see if I got this right. You, a loser with American women, whose romantic skills seem limited to spending a "huge amount of money on some stupid bitch just to get laid.", is accusing me of being a pussy.

Do I have it so far?

I hate to agree with anything ProfessorBates write because he sounds like such an asshole. But I wonder if there is some truth to his position.
I met my wife when I was in the Peace Corps. She is Paraguayan. At the time she spoke no English, had never driven in a car and had a total net worth of about fifty bucks.
Twenty one years later, we have four respectful children. She has learned to speak English. Learned to drive. Is a cornerstone participant of the local Catholic church working with the homeless and visiting people in jail. She is not "employed" outside the home, but has made my life what it is by being a stay at home mom who devoted herself to my kids and my personal well being. While finances and stresses related to raising children have at various times caused arguments, issues such as fidelity and what is rightfully expected from each of us has never been a source of contention at any time. Given her background, it has always been a given that my job is to provide financially, and her job is to take care of me and my home.
I would like to believe that this type of relationship would have been easy to sustain with a native born American woman, but when I see all the divorce and infidelity around me, I am not so sure.

Moder8-
I'm happy for you. I'm happy for myself as well. I married an American woman who believes in "feminism and 'equality'", as do I. We both work, share in the responsibilities and pleasures of life, and are quite happy. And I have never written sentences such as, "I wouldn't even consider dating an American women, the majority are bitchy prudes that only put out when they think they can cash in. I for one will never spend a huge amount of money on some stupid bitch just to get laid.", which says something in and of itself about the author.

Prof Bates you hit the nail on the head. I'd rather be a loser than a fool. I know a few guys who work 60 hours a week and they can't even buy a magazine without asking.

Not all women are like this but I've seen enough to know I'd prefer a woman from Mexico over a native born one.

My wife and I have been best friends and equal partners in life for decades. Our days are filled with laughter. We are equally supportive of each other in both of us having rich, full lives.

She's American.

AllAmerican-
Pussy.

ALL AMERICAN - - you are the best.

Michael Strahan just lost 15 millions dollars in his recent divorce. The judge gave his ex 50% of his money. I'd bet Strahan wishes he never got married.

So most American women are unmarried- but is it by choice? I doubt it. I've never met a woman who claimed she 'loved her independence' who wasn't just trying to convince herself that she was alone by choice. So are women becoming more independent?- I think it's more likely that men are getting smarter....

Just because you aren't married does not mean you are alone.

I wish common law marriage would be abolished. Just because you live together does not mean you are married. According to my state if you live together and split bills you are married.

OK - so I went and looked up Michael Strahan - - and read about his divorce.

This guy sounds like a total ass - - they have twin daughters and were married for 7 years.

During her nasty, two-year divorce battle with Giants star Michael Strahan, Jean Strahan was called plenty of names.

But when a Jersey judge last week slammed the grid great as evasive, untruthful and "not credible" - then upheld a $15.3 million prenup that Strahan's lawyer had drawn up - Jean felt vindicated.

She deserves every penny - - - you better pick another hero.

"I know a few guys who work 60 hours a week and they can't even buy a magazine without asking."

If this is the case, then the problem lies in the man....not standing up and being a man.

He allows his wife to be that controlling.

And I certainly don't feel sorry for him.

Where did I say strahan was a hero? He is a football player. I'm a little old to have heroes who play sports. I said he probably regrets being married after losing half his money. Secondly we don't know if she was an awful wife do we? Maybe she laid around the house and ate bon bons. We really don't know much. I have to agree with several guys on this blog you hate men.

Lisa most of my guy friends are afraid of their wives. this is the way of the world I guess.

"Lisa most of my guy friends are afraid of their wives. this is the way of the world I guess."

Unless they are being beaten, in which case they should leave, what the heck can they be afraid of????

Oh please Byrdman - - I give you the hero bit - - but don't take everything so literally.

Apparently his Pre-nup allowed her 50%.

You all crack me up with the Man-hater thinking. It says more about You then it does about me.

Financial ruin or The wife getting a divorce and telling the judge lies so he can never see the kids again. Some guys just prefer to go along to get along.

Ever wonder about the crime and problems we face today:

As the recent results of the Year 2000 Census confirm, marriage as the basis of family life continues to decline in America. Since 1970 the rate of marriage has dropped by about one third, the out-of-wedlock birth ratio has climbed from 11% to 33% of all births, the divorce rate has doubled, and the number of people living together outside of marriage has grown by over 1000%. With the exception of nonmarital cohabitation, which increased dramatically, the marriage-decline trends decelerated a little in the 1990s. But they have continued in the same direction. As of now, there is no tangible evidence of a turnaround, although a more pro-marriage attitude does seem to be gaining ground in the media and the culture at large.

Why should this marriage decline be of national concern? Principally, because of its effects on our nation's children. The social science evidence is now overwhelming that children fare better in life if they grow up in a married, two-parent family. Children who grow up in other family forms are two to three times at greater risk of having serious behavioral and emotional problems when they become adolescents and adults.


Food for thought!!

And people actually grip about allowing gay marriage, what hypocrisy.

Lisa - - going off topic - - but did you see this?

Pizza manager's links to third abduction investigated

Many of today's youth problems can be attributed, directly or indirectly, to the decline of marriage. This includes high rates of juvenile delinquency, suicide, substance abuse, child poverty, mental illness, and emotional instability. One important new study has found that the average American child in recent decades reported more anxiety than child psychiatric patients in the 1950s. Indeed, as former Senator Moynihan once observed, the United States "may be the first society in history in which children are distinctly worse off than adults."

Much of the linkage between the decline of marriage and the rise of problems in childhood rests with the absent father. The evidence is now strong that fathers do matter in the lives of their children. And, although there are many caring and responsible non-resident fathers, the alarmingly simple fact is that men are much less likely to stay close to their children when they are not married to their children's mother. Men tend to view marriage and childrearing as a single package. If they are not married or are divorced, their interest in and sense of responsibility toward children greatly diminish. Many studies have found that a high percentage of all unmarried or divorced fathers lose regular contact with their children over time.


Go figure, wonder if the system needs an overhaul.

"Marriage is the first bond of society." Cicero

Oscar:

We'll have to take up this discussion another day on another thread or better yet, through emails. I will explain later.

I see your email address is private.

Here's one I use for this site. Email me if you want to.

lisaislistening@yahoo.com


I would like to believe that this type of relationship would have been easy to sustain with a native born American woman, but when I see all the divorce and infidelity around me, I am not so sure.

Posted by moder8 at 2007-01-17 07:10 PM |

From the Guardian, 1998-07-14: "More than 25 years ago the consultant obstetrician E E Phillipp reported to a symposium on embryo transfer that blood tests on between 200 and 300 women in a town in the south-east of England revealed that 30 per cent of their children could not have been fathered by the men whose blood groups had also been sampled".

From the Dallas Morning News 1999-10-31: "DNA Diagnostics Center ... an industry leader, says 30 percent of the men it tests prove to be misidentified. Similar numbers come from the Texas attorney general's office, which enforces child support: About a quarter of the men who disputed paternity in the last year turned out to be right. In Florida, the proportion was one-third".

From the Sunday Times 2000-01-23: "David Hartshorne, spokesman for Cellmark, said that in about one case in seven, the presumed father turns out to be the wrong man".

From the Santa Barbara News-Press 2000-02-27: "For the population as a whole, "The generic number used by us is 10 percent," said Dr. Bradley Popovich, vice president of the American College of Medical Genetics. [15 to 25 % has been determined from blood tests of parents and offspring in Canada and the US.]"

From the Independent 2000-05-12: "... biologists Robin Baker and Mark Bellis ... review of paternity studies also suggested frequent infidelity, with extra-pair paternity running between 1.4 per cent and 30 per cent in different communities".

From The Globe and Mail 2000-05-20: "Anecdotal evidence suggests these numbers bear out in Canada as well ... . Maxxam Analytics in Guelph, Ont., performs approximately two paternity tests a day. And according to Dr. Wayne Murray, head of the human DNA department, one out of four men who come in pointing a finger at their spouse is not the biological father of the child in question".

One should not be surprised that in a marriage breaking up, the children weren't the father's 25-30% of the time.

The marriage didn't go on the rocks in just one day. Mommy may have never been completely "into" the marriage for the hubby it included. I know of more than one unfortunate "Dad" that discovered he was the mark in a serial marrying woman's plan to be supported in the lifestyle to which she can become accustomed.

A couple of well placed baby's along the way smooths the journey.

Geez....with your outlook on women, you guys would be better off with an inflatable.

It is satisfying to know I am not the only man who has been screwed over by a vindictive woman here

We're not all like that, Byrdman.

Geez....with your outlook on women, you guys would be better off with an inflatable.


Posted by Lisa at 2007-01-17 10:22 PM

No, sorry LISA we have the option of Foreign Women!

It's a competitive marketplace. We're not looking to marry inflatable doll's. The real world is not about what is fair, but what you can get.

American men have options. American women do not. So the American women huff and puff, and scowl at the incoming foreign brides who don't demand the feminazi equality bullshit. You WISH American men didn't have choices. You're like a labor union that's pissed off because the company is hiring non-union employees.

Honestly I wish I could have found an American wife with all the qualities of my foreign wife. I could not, because they do not exist. Here is a partial list of her loveliness

1: Sensible and good with money.
2: Genuine commitment.
3: Very family oriented.
4: She enjoys housework.
5: Hard working.
6: She does not have to diet to look great

Foreign women are comfortable in their femininity. As a male I am attracted to this.

I believe that American women have priced themselves out of the marketplace. Too needy, too many headgames, too easy to divorce.

Not many foreign men want American wives either.

Can't help having a relative and an old work colleague who suffered what I described Lisa. Perhaps you don't like this aspect of modern life?

You're intitled to your opinion, Professor.

Interesting picture never really thought about.

"According to data supplied by the U.S. Census Bureau, there were
2,395,000 marriages in the U.S. in the 12 months ending June, 1997 (and
1,154,000 divorces in the same period). The 4,000 to 6,000 marriages
involving international services represent, then, a tiny portion (.021
percent) of the women who marry U.S. men.

It is interesting to note that, based largely on data provided by the
agencies themselves (along with the Commission on Filipinos Overseas
report cited above), marriages arranged through these services would
appear to have a much lower divorce rate than the nation as a whole,
fully 80 percent of these marriages having lasted over the years for
which reports are available."

The divorce rate for American men who marry American women: 57%
(officially). But since the figures from several states (including
California) are excluded, the true national divorce rate is likely
closer to 65%. The divorce rate in California is over 70%.

The divorce rate for American men who marry foreign women: approximately
20%.

So you can marry an American woman and have a close to two-thirds chance
of getting divorced, or you can marry a foreign woman and have at least
a 75% chance of success.


Hmmm!!!!

Wonder what is going on, is it the women or is it the men?

Mary Cheney is unmarried and doesn't need a man

" Perhaps you don't like this aspect of modern life?"

What aspect would that be Mr. Cairo?

The fact that there are some less than nice people in the world...both men and women?

That some people take advantage of another?

That some people lie, or worse yet, live one?

No, I don't like it.

I'll talk to you later Mr. Cairo.

Sounds like men across the country are trying their best but it is never good enough anymore. Women need to have more realistic expectations.

It's a marketplace with imperfect information Byrdman, and imperfect buyers and sellers. In hindsight it must be easy to ask one's self, "When did I really know I'd either deluded myself, or just simply missed the signs?"

"Mary Cheney is unmarried and doesn't need a man"

Agreed.

Well technically I believe a man DID invent the turkey baster but that's one of them "degrees of seperation" thing so it doesn't really count.

Be Well.

"Women need to have more realistic expectations."

I think that both genders need to re-evaluate.

"When did I really know I'd either deluded myself, or just simply missed the signs?"

Ok, look....there are plenty of women who ask themselves that very same thing, myself included a time or two.

To inaccurately portray men as victims from women who have ulterior motives and not to be fair and honest enough to say it's a two way street, isn't rational.

I understand you guys see it from your point of view....but there is also another.

"When did I really know I'd either deluded myself, or just simply missed the signs?"

That was a non-denominational rhetorical question.

Even those who are still in their first go at this have asked that question of themselves once in a while I'm sure.

Uh oh. Byrdman, Crassus, and I seem to be in near-total agreement, concurrent with Professor Bates posting his first non-sarcastic series of posts (I think, anyway).

Which means that the apocalypse is nigh, and--as much as I belittled the silly Doomsday Clock--Stephen Hawking et al are probably right.

I'll be flying to Russia in March to meet a few women I've been corresponding with via these overseas marriage agencies, and have strongly encouraged friends of mine to do the same.

Vote with your feet, boys.

Women need to have more realistic expectations.

Posted by byrdman at 2007-01-17 10:44 PM |


I see most American women below the age of 40+ as having unrealistic expectations, bitter, angry, extreme emotional and mental problems, unpredictable behaviour, difficult to be around and just have a plain old good time with, difficult to please, moods that vacillate constantly......taking exorbant amounts of medication, not able to keep a goal in mind and complete it, complain and nag, highly negative and far too masculine in my humble opinion......eat too much, enjoy fast food far too much, expect for the guy to pay everything, base most of their joys on going out clubbing, purchasing clothes, and finally: status

The modern American female is an empty shell of a human being,
Immaturity, undeveloped self-esteem, constant contradictions, emotional response and/or overreaction to the SIMPLEST misstatement or problem, an inability to handle adversity, constant self-absorbment, a total failure of inductive reasoning, deductive reasoning or simple pattern recognition, short attention span, superficiality, an extreme need for dependence while loudly declaring independence, and apparently there are few exceptions. Most of them invest a lot of effort into making themselves appear pretty, special, and different than other females, but it is completely transparent.


Fair enough.

lol

Just out of curiousity, Professor....how do you view men under forty and/or modern men?

Just out of curiousity, Professor....how do you view men under forty and/or modern men?

Posted by Lisa at 2007-01-17 11:10 PM |


Well LISA, Clint Eastwood is my new hero and an inspiration to all American men.
Stay in shape, make and save money, sportfuck American women till you are 66. Then marry a hot 30 year old Latina and have a child with her.


A study of mature women done at Ohio State University found that the higher a woman's income in relation to the total income of her family, the more likely she was to seek a divorce.(4)

Ouch!!!!!

Kind of tells men what they need to know!

Kind of tells men what they need to know!

Posted by Crassus at 2007-01-17 11:26 PM |



CRASSUS-What we need to know is we have two options: 1. Sportfuck free American fuckdolls forever. 2. Settle down with a foreign girl who has no expectations.

American women also have several options: 1. Be a free fuckdoll. (That's not a bad option by the way. More and more women embrace it. I say produce more "Sex and the City"-like shows and accelerate the trend. It certainly beats the other options.) 2. Live alone with 10 cats. 3. Single mother in permanent poverty.

What American women think about it is not relevant. It's just supply and demand. American women are still desperately trying to sell their shit sandwich, but the gig is up.

Prof. bates,

I have been married to the same AMERICAN woman for 23 years and going strong.

I thought this article was interesting and began researching about this and the things I am finding is glaring.

Number one reason for divorce is SELFISHNESS......period bar none.

"Are you 'friends' with your ex-wife?" (men were asked).

Yes
34%

No
66%

I have yet to see the question percentage the other way around.

Number one reason for divorce is SELFISHNESS......period bar none.

The number one way not to get divorced?

Don't.

Worked thus far for this hombre.

Interesting stat:

Net worths of people near retirement $410,000 ($205,000 each) for married individuals
$167,000 for single, never married individuals
$154,000 for single, divorced individuals

Net worths for young parents $26,000 for married couples
$22,500 for remarried couples
$1,000 for couples living together
Single mothers had no net worth

"Are you 'friends' with your ex-wife?" (men were asked).

Yes
34%

No
66%

I have yet to see the question percentage the other way around.

Posted by Crassus at 2007-01-17 11:49 PM


CRASSUS how could it be anything else? When men realize that all the career chasing and overtime they did gave their wives the nice house, new kitchen, big SUV, etc, so she's happy, but left them empty with no satisfaction in life -- just the dreary slavery of the worker drone. Hopefully, they eventually find something that gives their life real meaning, rather than being mere wallets for their parasitic ex-wives who have built nice comfy lives off of their husband's drudgery.

i considered marrying a gal from any number of countries that i had relationships with overseas.

But, I came to the conclusion that i didn't WANT to be the 'boss' or 'sexual master' of my WIFE.

I wasnted someone i could communicate with, laugh with, and treat as an equal. The women from the countries I thought about marrying were raised in cultures where women were subservient'.

My wife has and still gives it to me any time I want. But, because she really likes me, not because she thinks it's her duty. More fun that way anyway. When you're not having sex to fill your own needs alone.

Marriage is a social construct designed to simply perpetuate the subjugation of women in this racist, sexist, misogynistic profanity we refer to as "western culture".

The women are expected to stay stupid, squirt out little mercantilists, consume, and otherwise serve as the doormat to the phallic-power complex which seeks nothing but profit and power.

Thank God we're evolving beyond that, as this study indicates.

What percent of parents stop visiting their children at least annually after a breakup?

47% of fathers

30% of mothers


The composite costs of raising a child have been estimated at between $200,000 and $250,000.

Note: These costs related to all children, on average, regardless of marital status, relationship, or involvement of the child's parents.



Child support awards from non-custodial parents

Less than half of single mothers are awarded child support from the fathers

Approximately 25% of fathers are awarded child support from the mothers

Note: Approximately half of all mothers receive full payment of child support ordered

Received "some" of the money due to them from child support
76% of mothers
63% of fathers

i considered marrying a gal from any number of countries that i had relationships with overseas.

So that Russian bride shit really works, huh?

"The women are expected to stay stupid..."

Just the women, eh?

Riiight!

The global elitists want folk to haff just enuff education to do their jobs and not enuff to ask pesky questions.

Dumbing folk down fits their agenda.

It's harder to manufacture consent when yer dealing with an informed populace.

This includes men.

Be Well.

So that Russian bride shit really works, huh?

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2007-01-18 12:26 AM

PINCHE MAO-Foreign women from Latin America, Eastern Europe, and Asia make much better wives than American women.
An American woman has several fundamental problems that will never go away and that will get much worse a few years after she is married:

Her inherent anti-male bias and pre-occupation with fairness that was drilled into her at high school, college, and through the media. Her constant confrontations and trying to prove herself and to make a point.
Her self-centeredness, her ridiculously high expectations, her sense of entitlement, her high-maintenance, superficial, and stuck up attitude, her snootiness and her sense of superiority. This "princess" syndrome means that she will always think that she is better than you, and that she deserves and she is entitled to whatever she wants from you.
Her general mental instability and psychological disorders.
Her using sex as a weapon and reward to get things.
Foreign women generally don't have any of these problems. Marrying an American woman simply does not make sense. The ONLY reason men stay with American women is because they did not have enough exposure to foreign women. Any man who spent a few months in Brazil or Russia will not even look at American women again.

Dating or being married to an American woman is like driving a beat-up Ford Escort. If you are only used to driving a beat-up Ford Escort, then you have no idea what it feels like when you drive a Bentley or Ferrari.

An American woman has several fundamental problems that will never go away

What can we, as Vanguard thinkers, do to remedy this problem?

There is a social condition which causes these deficiencies in the psyche of the American woman.

A spectre is haunting our ability to obtain a tolerable piece of ass in Des Moines.

rresponsibility----indeed our moral duty---to impose upon our these cretins scientific solutions to these problems created by the Bourgeogina.

rresponsibility

It is our responsibility...

The global elitists want folk to haff just enuff education to do their jobs and not enuff to ask pesky questions.

Spud, I thank God every day that I got smart guys like you keeping on top of what those nasty "global elitists" are doing and explaining it to schlubs like me.

Scary shit, man.

It all comes down to how selfish we want to live our lives...

Everyone has a certain amount of selfishness and self centerness that they need or want.

People want it all without putting in the energy.

If you can love one another and make the commitment then God will take care of the rest...

Interesting - - - I have no desire to be the woman these men are looking for.

I have no desire to be looked at as a Wife first - - and an independent intelligent person some where down the line.

"Some" men are seriously clueless.

Oscar and men aren't looking for a gold digger that is looking to do whatever she pleases while we work endless hours to support her pampered lifestyle. Luckily I'm start to find there are other options

Byrdman - - - sounds like a personal issue.

For me it isn't I see the reality of things.

Maybe Man should consider his criteria for picking the woman he marries.

Man chooses woman - - - then blames woman for not being what he expected her to be.

For centuries - - women have been blamed for men leaving them.

Funny how its always the woman's fault.

Oscar,

Obviously you are not a good little woman. If you were, you would clearly understand that your life must revolve around your husband. Your every thought should be of him. You should keep his house spotless, have his dinner waiting for him as he walks through the door and have his bath drawn the second he is ready. Then, after his bath, you should be waiting in a very sexy nightgown, on your knees, ready to give him a blowjob. When you awake in the morning, before he gets out of bed, put on your makeup, do your hair and be dressed fashionably (but at a very moderate price) and have his breakfast ready so he can start his day out right. Also, when he returns home from a hard days work, you should keep the kids under control. He can't be bothered with any sort of stress from them. I'm sure there's more, but if you work on these things, there might be hope for you.

Ahhhhhhh - - - Karen - you just made my night.

Now I can go to bed laughing all the way : )

You haven't been listening to "back to the stoneage" Dr. Laura - - have you?

No, but maybe I should. Glad I could help out, it was getting pretty deep in here. Now go take care of your man. night night :o)

Maybe Man should consider his criteria for picking the woman he marries.

Man chooses woman - - - then blames woman for not being what he expected her to be.

...

Posted by Oscar at 2007-01-18 01:23 AM


The woman chooses the man, in every case. Every real woam knows that. Either one of them can end it, I guess, but men rarely have a say in start-up, getting-to-know-you phases.

I'm just having breakfast now while my wife goes off to work, btw.

Hurricane coming today!

"woman", of course

PROFESSER

That's all well and good if you want a 'woman' and not an equal partner. Living in the '50's are we? LOL

Karen, your description of the ideal 1952 housewife was absolutely precious !!

'Professer' was in reference to your professing openly your views.

I doubt the OTHER spelling applies. Unless you teach at a religious Muslim school LOL

PROFESSOR

Many want a 'little woman' so they can feel like a 'big man'. I've dated some of the most beautiful women I've ever seen... in other countries. But, none of them measure up to my wife. She's still my favorite person after decades of marriage. And she aged well to boot.

Divorce is so high because people marry for 'love' and skip the friendship part - the friendship that keeps you together through thick and thin. Couples I've known married for 50 years say they fell in and out of love all throughout the years. The 'friendship' is what kept them together 'no matter what'.

Not saying your relationship isn't hunky dorey. Your wife is probably a fantastic person, and I'm happy for you if you're both happy. :-)

I enjoy spending my time with my American wife/friend. Occasionally she gets my slippers and bows after doing so. She even slips on one of her vast collection of antique Kimonos and gets all subservient on me once in awhile too LOL

After the last fight we had..about 10 years ago, she wouldn't let go after 2 hours (I was over it in 5 minutes), I put on an oriental robe, tied the sash around my forehead, and set up a Sepakura (Hari Kari) alter complete with incense, candles, and our sharpest butcher knife. When she walked in to see why japanese music was playing, she fell on the floor in laughter - argument over.

Oh, and both of us are willing to give in over something that won't matter by 3:30

Its weird seeing Pinche talk to profbates(himself)

And after making fun of boyds extra handles. Think he ever talked to himself?

Just out of curiousity, Professor....how do you view men under forty and/or modern men?

Posted by Lisa at 2007-01-17 11:10 PM |


"Well LISA, Clint Eastwood is my new hero and an inspiration to all American men.
Stay in shape, make and save money, sportfuck American women till you are 66. Then marry a hot 30 year old Latina and have a child with her."

Posted by professorbates

Ahhhhh....now I see why you need to go out of this country to find a woman.

There's not a woman in this country that would put up with you attitude.

You do the women of America a great service by going over seas!

Number one reason for divorce is selfishness, which I was accused of the other night. Yea, that's right...it's selfishness:

How selfish of women not wanting to get beat anymore, not wanting to be in physical pain, not wanting to end up in the hospital, where the emergency room nurses and doctors know you by your first name, because you've been there so often.
How selfish of women for not wanting their sons to grow up thinking this is the way a man treats their wife.

How selfish of women for not wanting their daughters to grow up thinking this is the way wives should be treated by their husbands.

How selfish of women who see the look on their childrens faces, sees their behavior becoming swayed by what they see in their environment and want them to grow up emotionally healthy, unviolent and with an accurate picture of the way they should treat their future spouses.

Yep. Selfishness.

Good discussion. Funny, as usual, to see a general cluelessness from those who think that the booming demand for overseas women are coming from men who simply MUST be misogynist, or whose thinking is just so 19th-Century.

I think it's just funny that men usually contribute over 2/3 of household income, but women expect to be equal partners in determining the way every dollar is spent. I think it's funny that women (and some men, nowadays) believe that housework is such drudgery that it is really a full-time job, when in fact housework is easier today than any time in human history, and can be knocked out in a total of about 4 or 5 hours a week. I think it's funny when I'm at the country club and hear women constantly running down their husbands, whose careers make it possible for the aging bitches to play golf all morning and eat a $29 lunch with their friends every day and drive brand-new Infiniti SUV's and for his trouble have his be criticized, belittled, and attacked, even when he isn't there. I think it's funny that demand for Filipino, Latina, East European, and Chinese women is booming, and so it must be because men are such creeps--can't have anything to do with the idea that these women offer a superior value. I think it's funny that Crassus actually cut-and-pasted his first link worth reading, when he found that the vast majority of American marriages ended in divorce, whereas the vast majority of American man-foreign women marriages remained intact forever. And I think it's funny that, confronted with that statistic, women and some men reflexively say it's because these foreign women aren't sufficiently liberated to demand ever more concessions--and eventually divorce--from their American husbands.

In fact, why aren't these same Latina, Filipina, and Russian wives rushing to the altar with, say, Japanese men? Or Saudi? When you go on their websites, why aren't they saying, Hey!! I want to find a French husband!! Or a Chinese man!! Duh. It's because, on average, marrying an American man is considered a great deal by everyone except American women. We work harder than anyone else, make more money, and are more gentle and kind than our male counterparts all over the world.

American women are usually unmarried because they want to be. In the end, they would rather have these fleeting feelings of so-called independence and freedom, and they bring absolutely nothing to a relationship we can't go out and find younger, more attractive, and better made overseas. American women don't mind driving luxury cars made in Japan and Germany; they give nary a thought to the fact that we have outsourced much of our manufacturing. Men are wising up and doing the same to their relationships.

Most American men are married. Most American women are not. And as it becomes easier and less expensive to find a beautiful, kind woman without the staggering sense of entitlement, and bring her here for nothing more than a couple of thousand dollars in plane tickets and visa fees--this trend will accelerate.

And that's good.

American women are just going to have to learn how to swallow my pride.

why aren't they saying, Hey!! I want to find a French husband!! Or a Chinese man!! Duh. It's because, on average, marrying an American man is considered a great deal by everyone except American women. We work harder than anyone else, make more money, and are more gentle and kind than our male counterparts all over the world.

Come on RIR!! You the know the REAL reason.......the SIZE of our affection:(

American women are just going to have to learn how to swallow my pride.

Posted by cookfish at 2007-01-18 09:09 AM | Reply


What would it fill ?? a Number 10 Thimble??

Larry

By the way, where are all the websites that offer marriage of American women to foreign men? After all, if half of all American women are unmarried, wouldn't that pique the interest of foreign men?

LOL. Because any commercial endeavor that tried to marry American women off to foreign men would be broke the first day. All over the world, men know. Thus, the familiar cliche:

Heaven is--
An American salary
A British house
A Chinese cook
A Japanese wife

Hell is--
A Chinese salary
A Japanese house
A British cook
An American wife

RIR:

"In fact, why aren't these same Latina, Filipina, and Russian wives rushing to the altar with, say, Japanese men? Or Saudi? When you go on their websites, why aren't they saying, Hey!! I want to find a French husband!! Or a Chinese man!! Duh. It's because, on average, marrying an American man is considered a great deal by everyone except American women. We work harder than anyone else, make more money, and are more gentle and kind than our male counterparts all over the world."

In most places of the world, anything is a step up from the way women are treated!

Did it ever occur to you, that the reason these women aren't saying "I want a Japanese man", "I want a Saudi man"....is because they may want nothing more than a free ride to America??? The land of the free??? Where they would be free to do what they want, verses a life stuck in whatever country they currently reside??

In essence, they would be doing the same thing you despise in some American woman....using you.

But, they probably would settle for how ever they would be treated, just to know they had some kind of rights.

From reading the contempt for American women, and women in general that has been displayed on this thread, it's clear to see why American women stay single.

From reading the contempt for American women, and women in general that has been displayed on this thread, it's clear to see why American women stay single.


Posted by Lisa at 2007-01-18 09:30 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Or become Lesbians.

Larry

"Or become Lesbians."

Good point!

Or become Lesbians.

Larry

So it IS a choice :(

Just kidding.....I'm out.

I'd rather be homeless living on the streets - - then revert backwards in time to the type of woman Right is Right is speaking of.

We've come a long way baby - - - and I'm gonna keep on going.

Hey Eberly did Your Mom make it ??

Larry

No Larry, the weather scared her off so she is re-scheduled for the 24th for her surgery.

Thanks!!

SMart WOman. I would have probably risked it Myself. I have been known to do stupid shit like that. Good for Her.

Larry

From reading the contempt for American women, and women in general that has been displayed on this thread, it's clear to see why American women stay single.

Posted by Lisa

* * * * *

Yep. And I don't give a damn. Whatever floats your boat, and all that. You women do what you want to do, and we men will do the same. Brave new world and all that.
For awhile, American men just had to accept the fact that they would be mistreated when compared to what he could have had, were we to have lived elsewhere. Now, it's not so.

We no longer have to buy lousy, boxy, low-quality American sedans, and fewer and fewer of us are doing so. And foreign competition in our lifemates is even more superior, and the American consumer (men) are just starting to notice.

In 1970, the only ones who drove a Japanese car were those who couldn't afford a good American model. By 2000, that statistic had flipflopped: Detroit refused to change, and the superiority of driving foreign cars was obvious to everyone. Thirty years from now, the same will be true of American men and foreign women. Americans are quite good at making coldly rational economic decisions in where we buy from--why should our matchmaking be any different?

I'd rather be homeless living on the streets - - then revert backwards in time to the type of woman Right is Right is speaking of.

We've come a long way baby - - - and I'm gonna keep on going.

Posted by Oscar

* * * *

Interesting. So the idea that a woman can cheat on her husband, take his house and children while collecting a fortune in alimony and child support, all the while bitching nonstop about how hard and trying her life is despite microwave ovens, vacuum cleaners, air conditioning, and takeout food, and that the man subjected to such non-stop punishment will wonder to himself: "Hmmm. I wonder if there's a better way?" is REGRESSIVE. I personally don't know why any self-respecting man would stay with a woman--particularly a much older one--who believes that men are obsolete. Maybe you got lucky--quite obviously, a good number of American women haven't managed to hit the jackpot the way you have. LMAO.

You've gotten what you wanted. Congratulations. LOL. Obviously, all these single women are just deliriously happy. Right? Which is why I get about 60 messages a day from single or divorced American women on the personals website I'm on. And why I'm ignoring all of them.

Morning Oscar!

I have to respectfully disagree with you to a degree.

Yes, I think women should have rights, however...I would love to be living in the days of June Cleaver!

Greed to have bigger and better was at a minimum....men knew how to treat women and women knew how to remain women.

Things were much simpler, basic. And I believe that over all marriages lasted because the roles that were intended for both men and women were kept that way.

Women are born nurturers. Men are born hunters.

They compliment each other.

I'd rather be homeless living on the streets - - then revert backwards in time to the type of woman Right is Right is speaking of.

We've come a long way baby - - - and I'm gonna keep on going.

Posted by Oscar

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Interesting. So the idea that a woman can cheat on her husband, take his house and children while collecting a fortune in alimony and child support, all the while bitching nonstop about how hard and trying her life is despite microwave ovens, vacuum cleaners, air conditioning, and takeout food, and that the man subjected to such non-stop punishment will wonder to himself: "Hmmm. I wonder if there's a better way?" is REGRESSIVE. I personally don't know why any self-respecting man would stay with a woman--particularly a much older one--who believes that men are obsolete. Maybe you got lucky--quite obviously, a good number of American women haven't managed to hit the jackpot the way you have. LMAO.

You've gotten what you wanted. Congratulations. LOL. Obviously, all these single women are just deliriously happy. Right? Which is why I get about 60 messages a day from single or divorced American women on the personals website I'm on. And why I'm ignoring all of them.

Oh Puhlease RIR Men have had it oh so easy these past Centuries. They have had Women wait on them hand and Foot. Women got Tired of being Bullied Do You blame em?? I mean come on You have to admit We Men are Pigs Yeah that is right OINKERS who need to get better control of Ourselves so that we might be able to Treat Women better. I don't Blame Women for being single I really don't.

Larry

All I can say is that if American women like being single then that's fine. I tend to agree with RIR that men in general aren't abusive animals that we get portrayed as. I think women today expect more freedom then a marriage can allow. When they get tired of the so called chains of marriage they ask for divorce. I heard on the radio yesterday 80% of divorce is brought on by the wife. Of course men cheat more but it is common knowledge women have been known to withhold sex for long long periods of time. So whatever can be said bad about men I can tell you the reason divorce is so high isn't because 50-60% of men aren't abusive animals there must be a whole list of other reasons.

If the farmer is giving the milk away why pay for the cow?

If the farmer is giving the milk away why pay for the cow?

RIR:

I'm getting a kick out of the posts here that claim men are the real victims in marriages to American women.

There are horrible, selfish women out there. I will not deny that.

But the men that have posted on this thread, fail to realize that there are just as many if not more, horrible selfish men.

To deny that, to ignore that, thinking that men have no responsibility in a failed marriage, to put so much blame on women, is intellectually dishonest.

I'd rather be homeless living on the streets - - then revert backwards in time to the type of woman Right is Right is speaking of.

We've come a long way baby - - - and I'm gonna keep on going.

Posted by Oscar


Being asked to contribute around the house is that horrible for you?

You obviously have no clue what it means to be homeless. I'd much rather be cleaning my home over sleeping in the 20 degree weather we have here now.

"I tend to agree with RIR that men in general aren't abusive animals that we get portrayed as."

But, you agree that all American women are the scheming, want something for nothing picture RIR has painted, right??

LOL

As I said, intellectually dishonest.

the women without men need to look to the ones with men and figure out why they got men


on a personal level was married to highschool dropout who got her ged then college degree while married to me(i worked she didn't)-after she got her degree she became to cool for me -one morning she got up left for work took her clothes and didn't come back leavin me with a 3 yr old -car notes house notes
and many bills -fast forward met and married lady from cape verde sent her to beauty school now i have fine wife two good kids and no feminest ego to deal with
jasman

Lisa, RiR, everyone else frankly ...

You're all focusing on different aspects of who gets fucked over in marriage. Frankly, that depends on the marriage in question. Sometimes it's the man. Sometimes it's the woman. Sometimes it works out perfectly for both parties. The situation has the potential to be very unfair to anyone.

I know for a fact what I'm talking about. My father and my mother are both still married - but for both of them, it is their second marriage.

My father knocked a girl up with my half brother when he was 18. They got married, and she ended up being an absolutely shrill bitch. She made his life hell. I can remember meeting her once, noting the expensive designer clothes, the nails, the hair. She confronted my father about how she needed more money to "properly raise their son" however she had clearly spent over a thousand dollars to acquire that particular look. This is a woman who prioritized her own appearance over feeding her child. I'm glad she died of cancer. I'm glad the kemo made her hair fall out and destroyed her diva-like appearance. She deserved to be miserable as she died.

Now, let's move on to my mother. Her first husband was apparently an awesome guy until they got married. As soon as the honeymoon started, his behavior changed completely. He owned my mother. He abused her constantly. If I ever meet the guy I will kill him with my bare hands.

So, in light of having two parents who were both completely screwed over by bad ex-spouses, I have to point out that your "women have it worse", "no men have it worse!" argument is pointless. Marriage has the potential to completely screw up either partner's life. It depends on the people involved. Antecdotal evidence can only submit that marriage is a devastating experience for anyone who throws their dice in with the wrong lot.

Morning Pleasant:

I'm not arguing over who is the cause of failed marriages.

My argument is that those here have painted the picture of it being the womans. I've pointed out that it goes both ways.

That is my point. So, of course, I agree with you. : )

"the women without men need to look to the ones with men and figure out why they got men"

My grandfather died at the age of 54. My grandmother was constantly asked "Millie, you're such a nice lady, why don't you remarry?"

Her reply:

"One man was enough".

Fine. It goes both ways. I'm sure in some ways I must have been responsible for the fact that my first wife left me for an old high-school friend in law school. And I'm sure in some ways I must have been responsible for the fact that my second wife cheated on me with her personal trainer, moved in with him briefly while the divorce was pending, but then got fed up and left him too to be with someone else.

But I'm in the position where I simply cannot afford another divorce. Before, I was simply out attorney's costs. Now, it would cost me half of a three million dollar business. So I'll take comfort in Crassus' statistics, and go where my odds are much, much better.

Besides, I speak Russian. Should be a blast.

My grandfather died at the age of 54. My grandmother was constantly asked "Millie, you're such a nice lady, why don't you remarry?"

Her reply:

"One man was enough".

Posted by Lisa

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Interesting. You grandmother sounds like a wonderful person. I wonder if she made it obvious to your granddad that putting up with him was such a drudgery and a nuisance.

All cliches are true, and you've reminded me of another: why do most men die before their wives?
Because they want to.

So, using your same logic, RIR, and stating that American women are like the two you married, then I may, in all righteousness state that, since my first husband beat the shit out of me routinely, cheated.... my second husband changed once I had his ring on my finger and became lazy, neglectful, among the other reasons I won't mention here....American men are like my two husbands and are emotionally and physically abusive...right???

See how stupid that is??

"You grandmother sounds like a wonderful person"

She was...even though I note your sarcasm.

She was kind, thoughtful and never said a bad word against anyone...not even my grandfather.

"I wonder if she made it obvious to your granddad that putting up with him was such a drudgery and a nuisance."

Oh right....after the way he abused his sons, she knew better....she just sat and kept her mouth shut.

I'm making generalities based on my personal experiences, and based on the mind-numbing array of statistics at close hand.

My grandfather died at 60 of cancer. My grandmother was very attractive and six years his junior. When she was asked why she wouldn't remarry, she said, "My husband was the greatest man I've ever met. I could never find a man as fine as he, so I'm not going to try."

Or,

"It wouldn't be fair to my new husband. Charles was such a wonderful man, I would always be comparing my new husband to him, and he simply wouldn't measure up."

And to an impressionable little boy (me), I walked away knowing my granddad was a great man, instead of a burden. Which--especially in the last part of his life, as cancer had eaten him down to nothing--he surely must have been.

Your grandparents were indeed fortunate and Blessed.

Others are not as lucky.

I'd say that fear is a burden....wouldn't you??

But...this is what some people on this thread would want. Stay married at all costs so that children have a male around because it's sooooo much better than having a child live in an emotionally healthy environment!!

My father and uncle ended up abusive....just like their father.

Yep! Keep that family together because their male role model taught them a lot of good things!!!!

And not to understand how lucky your family was, not to understand that the world is not representative of your good fortune, not to understand that some people didn't have the kind of life that yours did, doesn't mean that other people are not justified in how they felt...not wanting to remarry.

To try and compare my grandmother to yours, when they had completely different lives, and only using your family as the generalizations of which you speak, isn't really reality.

And judging them, and women in particular the way you have, not realizing there is another side to the coin, isn't being fair, nor is it being honest.

No less honest than what you and Oscar have said. Both of you paint men with a very wide brush, based on your own bad experiences and points of view, but take umbrage when men do the same.

No, RIR...I don't paint men with a broad brush. I realize that it's some men...not all. Go up and read my post from 10:03.

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