86% of the detainees were turned in for bounty and not picked up by US forces on the battlefield.

"Lawyers defending the acussed? What do thsese people think this is, a free country governed by the rule of law?!'' -- the neocrooks.

He should be fired-but he should be locked in a cell without charges filed against him for five years first.
Beaten-waterboarded-life threatened-sexually humiliated by a bull-dyke-then dishonorably discharged.

outrageous!

But not unexpected.

OCU

Would the last American left please turn off the lights and lock the doors? The party's over, we're finished....

Indeed, the 230 year American experiment is over, the Constituion is dead.

Who is it out there that is so offended when sane people comment that the Bush administration is akin to Nazis? Please speak up now

And, again, the American public does... nothing.

Still another story that could have been taken from Franco's Spain, Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy or Hirohito's Japan. Fascism is like a jigsaw puzzle. Bit by bit it coalesces until the final image is revealed. By the time everyone realizes what is happening it's too late.

If Stimson isn't relieved of his duties then we will know how the administration views human rights.

The administration is blind as a bat when it comes to individual rights.

The administration is blind as a bat when it comes to individual rights.
Posted by member2586 at 2007-01-13 05:05 PM

Human rights in particular.

Maybe the Pentagon will implode from the black hole where justice and integrity supposedly resided?

How is doing intimate business with China NOT constituting a national defense issue?
Extraordinary rendition, restriction of human rights and reinterpretation of geneva conventions, or just pious sadism?

Our government has sold American values out entirely.

10 years ago this person would be fired the next day.

Boycott?
AWWW hell-boycott Shampoo!

Demand the REAL thing!

I thought McCarthy was dead?

Perhaps he has been reincarnated in the body of Charles D. Stimson....don't want to get that picture in my head....yech!!!

This is disgraceful. Haven't we done enough to these people? Is this the road we are continuing down, as a country?

We should be very afraid....and I am!

Were German, Italian and Japanese P.O.W.'s given legal representation. How about Chinese and N. Koreans? These bastards in Gitmo shouldn't be afforded the Geneva Protections.This is a war. These detainees would cut your liberal weenie's throats in a minute while praising Allah.

I smell a Medal of Freedom coming Stimson's way...

The right wing knows it has less than two years left to further undermine the US Constitution. Like a wounded beast, the November 2006 elections only spurred them into more frenzied activity.

"This is a war. These detainees would cut your liberal weenie's throats in a minute while praising Allah." Posted by portinthestorm

Come on now, get it right...

***

COLONEL JESSUP: Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have
to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines! You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.

You don't want the truth! Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me there!

We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline!

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I
provide it. I'd prefer you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand opposed. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think you're entitled to!

***

"I smell a Medal of Freedom coming Stimson's way..."

Spud smells something coming from Stinksons direction but it don't smell like freedom.

In fact it's making Spuds considerable number of eyes water while Spud nose is wrinkle up and look fer somebody elses face to escape to, preferably going in the opposite direction of the above named individual.

Member sed...

"Indeed, the 230 year American experiment is over, the Constituion is dead."

The central factor neccessary to understand in order to grasp where we are at present is the following.

Corporate forces have managed to corrupt and infiltrate the governemnts of almost every western so-called democracy to the point where policy is insulated from public opinion.

That's kinda important so Spud'll repeat that really loudly fer the hard of thinking....

POLICY HAS BEEN INSULATED FROM PUBLIC OPINION!

Wot that means, in short, is that yer opinion, yer vote, yer thoughts, yer ideas about how yer country should be are completely divorced from wot policies your governemnt enacts.

Spud is of course oversimplifying.

There is token lip service democracy of a kind but in the main you will find Spud is correct.

Only by increased co-operation between the great powers and a political awakening to this largely unreported fact by a large enuff chunk of the general populace can even begin to amass the kinda political will needed to solve this seemingly intractable problem.

This does not seem forthcoming.

Still, Spud lives in hope.

Where else ya gonna live?

Blogworld is more important than it knows.

Be Well.

A new low, to be sure. But you pinkos have got it wrong -- this ain't the Third Reich, this is The Sopranos, baby.

The gangsters in the White House are more dangerous than ever right now, and it's precisely because they are so desperate, being backed into a corner as they are.

However they're barking up the wrong tree if they think "corporate America" will bail them out. Wall Street started jumping ship back in 2004, and they've been jumping ever since, at a steadily increasing rate, along with all the other rats.

No doubt, if these lawyers are successful, they will have some new clients in the Bush administration.

After all, prosecutors often make the switch to the defense, and American lawyers pride themselves on being able to argue both sides.

Interestingly, our law is based on the English model, and yet the Barristers believe their job is to find the truth of the matter even if it impugns and condemns their client.

Maybe we should just start over.

Were German, Italian and Japanese P.O.W.'s given legal representation. How about Chinese and N. Koreans? These bastards in Gitmo shouldn't be afforded the Geneva Protections.This is a war. These detainees would cut your liberal weenie's throats in a minute while praising Allah.

Posted by portinthestorm at 2007-01-13 10:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

These are NOT POW's according to Bush. They're enemy combatants. Some Bushit term created so he can deny them POW (Prisoner of WAR) status. This is war (Your words)

Were German, Italian and Japanese P.O.W.'s given legal representation. How about Chinese and N. Koreans? These bastards in Gitmo shouldn't be afforded the Geneva Protections.This is a war. These detainees would cut your liberal weenie's throats in a minute while praising Allah.

Posted by portinthestorm at 2007-01-13 10:49 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Enemy Combatants are accorded the same Protections in all respects as a POW. Protocol 1 states and I CandP it for You here

4. A combatant who falls into the power of an adverse Party while failing to meet the requirements set forth in the second sentence of paragraph 3 shall forfeit his right to be a prisoner of war, but he shall, nevertheless, be given protections equivalent in all respects to those accorded to prisoners of war by the Third Convention and by this Protocol. This protection includes protections equivalent to those accorded to prisoners of war by the Third Convention in the case where such a person is tried and punished for any offences he has committed.

The Second Sentence of Paragraph 3. States.
Recognizing, however, that there are situations in armed conflicts where, owing to the nature of the hostilities an armed combatant cannot so distinguish himself, he shall retain his status as a combatant, provided that, in such situations, he carries his arms openly:

It goes on to state
Continued.........

1. A person who takes part in hostilities and falls into the power of an adverse Party shall be presumed to be a prisoner of war, and therefore shall be protected by the Third Convention, if he claims the status of prisoner of war, or if he appears to be entitled to such status, or if the Party on which he depends claims such status on his behalf by notification to the detaining Power or to the Protecting Power. Should any doubt arise as to whether any such person is entitled to the status of prisoner of war, he shall continue to have such status and, therefore, to be protected by the Third Convention and this Protocol until such time as his status has been determined by a competent tribunal.

2. If a person who has fallen into the power of an adverse Party is not held as a prisoner of war and is to be tried by that Party for an offence arising out of the hostilities, he shall have the right to assert his entitlement to prisoner-of-war status before a judicial tribunal and to have that question adjudicated. Whenever possible under the applicable procedure, this adjudication shall occur before the trial for the offence. The representatives of the Protecting Power shall be entitled to attend the proceedings in which that question is adjudicated, unless, exceptionally, the proceedings are held in camera in the interest of State security. In such a case the detaining Power shall advise the Protecting Power accordingly.

3. Any person who has taken part in hostilities, who is not entitled to prisoner-of-war status and who does not benefit from more favourable treatment in accordance with the Fourth Convention shall have the right at all times to the protection of Article 75 of this Protocol. In occupied territory, any such person, unless he is held as a spy, shall also be entitled, notwithstanding Article 5 of the Fourth Convention, to his rights of communication under that Convention.

Larry

"Cut your liberal throats"


YEAH! Show some backbone port --- go buy a gun if you are that skeerd already!

Would you want to hire a firm to represent you or your company in any case, which particpated in helping these detainees?

Let the aclu step in

You have a real problem with the idea of justice.
It is not a one-way street.

When you base a war on a lie, cherry pick information to inflate opintion and continue to mistate what you are doing, change the basis that the military law is based on, have no plan, and do everything to provolk and make enemies-what do you expect.

"A new low, to be sure. But you pinkos have got it wrong -- this ain't the Third Reich, this is The Sopranos, baby. - BufordTJustice"

Buford, the Nazi's were gangster thugs.

This isn't an argument about if the POW's in Gitmo deserve legal representation. This is an argument against some military mouthpiece who thinks he can blacklist American companies because he disagrees with their charity work.

But maybe Stimson has a point. Maybe there should be a boycott - but it should be a boycott of all American corporations until they can force regime change and restore some order of law and democracy to Americans.

Neil Sonnet has the right to state the case for the defense. I have a right never to use him again. How is that "a real problem with the idea of justice.".

Fuck those asswipes terrorists. Go ahead and give 100% support to their cause gitmo boy!

BTW Neil Sonnet was your boy's Jack Abramoff lawyer. Politics makes from some strange bedfellows heh?