argh...

Yep.....they all suck.

Finally. The invasion has an official sponsor - the government of the united states of america. I would have capitalized that but it won't be necessary for too much longer - it won't be a proper noun by the time you read this.

"Congress will approve an immigration bill that will grant citizenship rights to most of the 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens in the U.S. after Democrats take control next month, predict both sides on Capitol Hill."

Their next step involves giving citizenships papers out as prizes in boxes of Crackerjack at random location around the world.

This is gonna effect the bell curve big time ya know.

Be Well.

Heyyyyyyyy DOn't You be knocking Cracker Jacks that is where some of us Got Our Diplomas from

Larry

This bill is dead on Arrival. It needs 60 votes to make it through the senate and that ain't happening.

It will achieve it intended affect though. Thats to make Mexicans think that democrats give a damn about them.

Larry sez...

"Heyyyyyyyy Don't You be knocking Cracker Jacks that is where some of us Got Our Diplomas from."

Spud would never knock CrackerJacks, Larry.

Is where Spud got his drivers license from!

Quick! To the Spudmobile!

Be Well.

Oh contrare MrHappy I believe it WILL Pass and Oh it only needs a Simple Majority to Pass the Senate.

Larry

"it" should be "he".

Prolly.

Be Well.

Why are so many of you afraid of new people coming into this country? If they want to come to this country, be productive citizens and commit no crimes, why should they not receive the same opportunities as many of our great-grandparents and grandparents?

If we bring them over on ships against their will to do our dirty work...it's okay but,if they cross a river out of economic desparation it's unconscionable!

Real patriot,

Who says they all want to come here and work hard. Some come here to get welfare, sell drugs, rob people, etc. 28% of our prison populations are made up of these illegal immigrants.

Why should I have to pay to incarcirate them?

Why should I have to pay every time they get a nosebleed and go to the hospital?

Which ones have Criminal records in Mexico?

If they come here get in trouble and murder someone then they make a break for the border!

I am for all reasonable legal immigration. But no one should cross our borders whom we have not checked out first. That is for the protection of all our citizens.

Here is a good analogy for some of you. If you came home and found me in your living room just sitting there not having stolen anything or done you any harm.

Would you call the police or try to forcefully remove me?

If so why?

MrHappy,

There are a lot of natural citizens who sell drugs, get welfare, rob people, etc. There is no genetic defect running thru the Mexican population that causes them to be lawbreakers. The vast majority of the people who come here are interested in feeding their families. They just happen to have had the rotten luck of being born a few miles too far south!

I agree with you that no one should cross our borders if they haven't been checked out first. But, there is a reality that our government over the last several decades has refused to deal with...there are people here. You get them documented, then you have the ability to refuse entry to any further illegal migration.

If you came home and found me in your living room just sitting there not having stolen anything or done you any harm.

Would you call the police or try to forcefully remove me?

Yes, because you're not a hot chick! :)

You get them documented, then you have the ability to refuse entry to any further illegal migration.


The problem with that argument is that the asshats that keep finding some way to get elected keep granting them amnesty. They've done it before. They'll do it this time. Next time, They'll do it again.


Mexico needs to get it's own shit together before sending workers here.


The act of 'getting it's(sic) shit together' requires them to send their 'shit' to our country.

You get them documented, then you have the ability to refuse entry to any further illegal migration.

You've got it totally backwards. FIRST, you clamp down hard on the border and put thousands of border patrol agents on the border. ONLY THEN do you even begin to begin to deal with the 20 million illegals already here. Every amnesty brings millions more over the border hoping to be here for the next amnesty. It happened with the 1986 amnesty and will keep on happening.

When your boat is sinking you repair the hole first, not bring on more passengers. Same thing with the borders.

Oh contrare MrHappy I believe it WILL Pass and Oh it only needs a Simple Majority to Pass the Senate.

Needs more than that if it is fillibustered. Simple Majority won't do then.

Mooman-
Do you have a problem with amnesty IF the borders are secured?

Yes I do. Taking the earlier example of coming home to find someone in my livingroom:

Just because I change the locks and beef up security doesn't mean I am going to invite him to live with me. If he wants in he can leave and then knock... if I want him in I will invite him in.

Moo-
He's already here. "You" hired him.

Doesn't matter. I personally didn't hire anyone. I would gladly pay higher prices for lettuce, oranges, etc. if it meant getting the illegals out.

Regardless, we are discussing the solution, not the cause. The cause is in the past and can't be retroactively changed, the solution is in the future and those changes CAN be made.

"You" hired him to eviscerate the chickens you eat, and to clean the floor and bathrooms at Wal-Mart where you shop, and to cut your lawn...

The cause is not in the past just because you declare it to be.

Doesn't matter. I personally didn't hire anyone.

Neither did Romney; neither did I. It's called reality, and it often has little to do with thought, unfortunately.

Think of it like a boat. Right now the boat (USA) has bad leaks (bad border security) and has taken on a lot of water (illegal aliens). Before you can start pumping the water out you have to fix the leaks, otherwise the amount of water coming in is more than the bilgepumps are taking out.

Once the leaks are fixed you might still have some water coming in, but the bilgepumps, over time with diligent use, will be able to pump out water faster than it is coming in.

I think you can use my metaphor to divine what I think we should do.

Neither did Romney; neither did I. It's called reality, and it often has little to do with thought, unfortunately.

Yes, as in my two examples, just because they are here doesn't mean we should KEEP them here.

Allow me to be clear that I'm all for securing our borders, but for the people already here...

Your examples work just fine in a vacuum of fine principle.

Before you can start pumping the water out you have to fix the leaks,

I agree that we should plug the leaks. I disagree that we should deport en masse people who came here for jobs -- and were hired-- to make a better life for themselves and their families.

No vacuum needed. Principle says that they should come in legally, not illegally and expect us to like it or accept it. Just because some in the country helped or encouraged them break the law doesn't excuse the fact that they did. We shouldn't change the law to be more lax just because it would be inconvenient to enforce it now. That problem is of our own making and we should bit the bullet, so to speak, and go through the arduous task of enforcing it now. What respect should they have for our laws if the first thing THEY do is break it (and in the process thumb their nose at our sovereignty), and we just ignore that and then tell them it was ok by changing our laws to their benefit?

YEAH! What do we need then for now? We already had the chinks build the railroad, the german and russians our space program and the Irish dig all our canals! And who really thought that a wetback AG would send himself back across river?

Moo-
They were hired by someone, and by extension "you". Should their employers be deported or locked up, or do you reserve your ethical outrage for the illegals?

I disagree that we should deport en masse people who came here for jobs -- and were hired-- to make a better life for themselves and their families.

Lots of people come here for those reasons... we should, as a matter of principle though, only accept the ones that do it LEGALLY. Amnesty was already proven not to work in the 80's. All it did is encourage more to come in hopes that it would happen again... and guess what? It is seriously being considered. So what makes you think amnesty should be tried again? Do you think that will be a deterrent? Do you think that more won't come no matter how much we try and secure the border? Where do you draw the line?

I say draw it here and now.

They were hired by someone, and by extension "you".

Faulty logic. I had no say what-so-ever in that decision. Free market decisions only work if you have all the facts at the time, and don't work if you don't have the choice otherwise.

If you need meat, but all the meatpackers hire illegals, then the consumer doesn't have a choice. It was the decision of the company, not the consumer, to hire illegals.

The employers should be heavily fined for breaking the law if a law was broken. Deporting only works for those that are not citizens or have commited an offense for which revocation of citizenship is an option. Locking them up requires a sufficient proof of specific criminal offenses for which jail is a sentencing option.

Moo-
If you are correct that we can't secure the border (and I think that you are wrong, though a hermetic seal is of course impossible), then why do you not speak of punishing those who hire illegals, but instead focus all of your rage at the poor who come for jobs and a better life?

Locking them up requires a sufficient proof of specific criminal offenses for which jail is a sentencing option.

Not any longer, evidently, but a charming statement nonetheless.

The employers should be heavily fined for breaking the law if a law was broken.

Why not jail time?

Faulty logic. I had no say what-so-ever in that decision.

Yes you did. You bought the chicken, wore the cotton, ate the tomatoes, etc. You just didn't care to look where it came from. And now you are all in a snit about the Mexicans.

Moo- how exactly would we remove all the illegals already here without having violent stand-offs with people who have everything to lose?

The history of mass relocations is a grim one.

though a hermetic seal is of course impossible

That is precisely what I meant, not a general securing of the border.

then why do you not speak of punishing those who hire illegals, but instead focus all of your rage at the poor who come for jobs and a better life?

I did address those that hire once the subject was brought up (see my last post). However they are only a part of the equation.

As for those that "come for jobs and a better life"... they should do so legally. My "rage" is not misplaced when they fail to do so. No more so that yours would be at people that break into your home and steal your stuff to secure a "better life" by way of selling your stuff to make money.

Why not jail time?

Please don't ask a question that I have answered already in the very post you have quoted.

You bought the chicken, wore the cotton, ate the tomatoes, etc.

If the only chicken, cotton, and tomatoes are to be gotten from companies that hire illegals, then that leaves me no choice. Name something that doesn't have the hand of illegals in it that could substitute. Again, I already answered this in my previous post in anticipation of this argument from you. Just ignoring what I say in order to rebutal does no service to your argument.

Moo- how exactly would we remove all the illegals already here without having violent stand-offs with people who have everything to lose?

The history of mass relocations is a grim one.

I didn't say we could do it without some of those "stand-offs". Reality however says they have SOMETHING to lose by doing that, and they most likely WOULD lose it. The history may be grim, but it is the hole we dug for ourselves by giving amnesty in the 80's when the problem was smaller, neglecting to secure the border, and refusing to enforce the laws till now.

Nobody said it would be easy. Robert Frost had a little to say about taking the easy road.

Yes, I'm sure Frost was all for packing human beings like sardines into train cars...AFTER reaping the benefits of their hard work for lesser pay. Good call.

"Why are so many of you afraid of new people coming into this country?"

If they come here legally, no problem. But to grant amnesty to people who broke the law to get here sickens me. It is a slap in the face to every immigrant that entered the US legally.

Why are you so anxious to give criminals a free pass to enter this country?

Should we give drug dealers, murderers and rapists amnesty too?

Moo-
Ahem...forgive me. You seem to be promoting the idea that we should forcibly round up every illegal that cut your lawn, eviscerated your chicken, picked your onions, etc., and yet you balk at jail time for those who have hired them.

(and leave Robert Frost out of this)

Should we give drug dealers, murderers and rapists amnesty too?

Um...no. (What are you on?)

Why are you so anxious to give criminals a free pass to enter this country?

I'm not.

I'm for securing the borders and enacting policies that will actually work.

You seem to be driven by something that I would charitably call "other than reason".

and yet you balk at jail time for those who have hired them.

No I don't. If you can find a legal basis to do it (i.e. a law broken that requires jail time) then it should happen. I thought I made that clear already. If I didn't then I have now.

I have always cut my own lawn thank you very much.

(and leave Robert Frost out of this)

Why should I? His words were relevant to the point I was making.

I'm for securing the borders and enacting policies that will actually work.

You're not a politician, are you?

"I'm for securing the borders and enacting policies that will actually work."

You're not a politician, are you?

Posted by Alexandrite at 2006-12-05 08:06 AM



funny flag

ROTFLMAO!!

Should we give drug dealers, murderers and rapists amnesty too?

Um...no. (What are you on?)

Posted by Boyd at 2006-12-05 07:58 AM | Reply

So what crimes should we give amnesty for?

If amnesty is okay for illegally entering the United States instead of applying for entry in a legal manner, what is next?

Bank fraud?

Computer fraud?

War crimes?

Amnesty has zero to do with people coming to America to make a better life for themselves and has everything to do with Corporate America being able to exploit a cheap source of labor to enhance corporate profits.

Amnesty has zero to do with people coming to America to make a better life for themselves and has everything to do with Corporate America being able to exploit a cheap source of labor to enhance corporate profits.

Don't forget political parties that are afraid of pissing off a voting bloc, and hoping to gain more voters in their camp.

You seem to be driven by something that I would charitably call "other than reason".

Posted by Boyd at 2006-12-05 08:00 AM | Reply |

Then you are wrong.

Illegally entering the United States is a crime and should be treated as such. Hiring an illegal worker is a crime that should be treated as such.

I am expected to obey all the laws of the United States and to suddenly piss all over our immigration laws because Corporations want cheap labor sickens me.

Moo,

Correct. Pandering to a voting block and pissing all over established laws is the same as pandering to Corporate America and pissing all over established laws in the process.

Both sicken me.

Amnesty has zero to do with people coming to America to make a better life for themselves and has everything to do with Corporate America being able to exploit a cheap source of labor to enhance corporate profits.

Once they're officially american citizens they get minimum wage. The penalties for violating that law are actually enforced.

"I'm for securing the borders and enacting policies that will actually work"

So a policy of rewarding criminal behavior is acceptable to you?

Well what the hell. Lets legalize illicit drugs, think of all the taxes that could be raised from them. There is a policy that will actually work.

What do you suggest we do, jimmy?

Reap the benefits from their labor, then slam the door in their faces? "Thanks for driving the economy, now fuck off."?

Once they're officially american citizens they get minimum wage. The penalties for violating that law are actually enforced.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2006-12-05 08:26 AM | Reply

In theory yes.

All these immigration bills are just a diversion to make American workers think that they actually intend to do something about illegal aliens. If there were any real interest in dealing with the problem the President would order INS to start enforcing the laws we already have. As long as employers can hire the illegals and face only a tiny possibility of punishment then they will continue to hire them. What good does it do anyway to pass laws that won't be enforced.
BTW, how is that wall coming????
Hahahahahahaha

Jimmy-

They are alredy here. Our society has already taken advantage of their situation for maximum benefit.

Is it moral to just throw them back? I dont like the idea of law breaking either, but it becomes more of a moral/human suffering issue for me.

damn...be back in a few.

Alex,

Criminal punishment for employers that willfully hire illegal immigrants. If the punishment for hiring illegals is stiff enough, the jobs will not be there for them to enter illegally for.

As long as the US has a policy of looking the other way when it comes to enforcing the laws on American employers there will be illegal immigrants coming to look for work here illegally.

And as for telling the illegal immigrants to "fuck off". Yes. They are here ILLEGALLY so it is very acceptable to charge them with a crime and put them in jail.

What do you suppose we do? Reward them for illegal activities? Maybe we can have state troopers hand out best buy gift cards for exceeding the speed limit next.

Is it moral to just throw them back? I dont like the idea of law breaking either, but it becomes more of a moral/human suffering issue for me.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2006-12-05 08:32 AM | Reply

Morally they are wrong for entering the US illegally.

Is it moral for a nation to not follow it's own laws?

As for their suffering in Mexico, that is a problem for the Mexican government to address not the US government, there are already too many US citizens that our government can help before helping someone whose first act on US soil was to break the law.

Danni,

Agreed. I have several clients on the southwest border that when I am auditing ask them if they have broken any laws including hiring illegal immigrants and they get that glassy eyed look before half heartedly answering "no".

Corporate America knows that the US Government under Bushling will not vigorously prosecute and defend this country from illegal immigration.

The wall is a joke, a feel good wink wink contract to be given to a political supporter designed not to stem the flow of illegal immigrants, but rather to make it APPEAR that the government is serious about the issue. More political pandering bullshit.

YEAH! What do we need then for now? We already had the chinks build the railroad, the german and russians our space program and the Irish dig all our canals! And who really thought that a wetback AG would send himself back across river?

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hhmmmmmmmmm...

lets see....it was not too long ago that I was suspended for a comment and here I read this morning the following HATEFULL words from redneck that is still here and not in the trash......

lets list them...

chink
wetback..


I guess that red would have been disciplined if he had called them fag chinks or queer wetbacks...
and of course there is no comment from the raving libs here for the use of these hatefull words either..........
come on rcade, how about a little even handed playing field here......


as to the subject............kind of ironic that the democratic congress and bush are being attacked for the same thing from some people.......strange bedfellows and all that........

Dem Congress Expected to Pass Amnesty Bill. And just in time for the minimum wage increase.

Now we can all be poor together. It'll be great!

Hooray for Socialism. Hooray for Chavez. Free oil for the poor. (for now)

The wall is a joke, a feel good wink wink contract to be given to a political supporter designed not to stem the flow of illegal immigrants, but rather to make it APPEAR that the government is serious about the issue. More political pandering bullshit.

Posted by JimmyWallback at 2006-12-05 08:39 AM


It can be inexpensively. Every illegal has to be required to install one post on his or her way in. Border gaurds can handle the distribution of materials.

Hooray for Socialism. Hooray for Chavez. Free oil for the poor. (for now)


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hooray for the new congress run by socialist comrade pelosi......
and hooray for the soon to be newest base of the democratic party.....well they have been part of the base for some time....with this amnesty they will have the blessing of the government....

When will the new flag fly over the Casa Blanka?

Prosecute the employers. Remove corporate charters.
The biggest lie is that costs will go up. The companies that hire illegals do not pass that savings on to the "consumer". They do pass those extra profits off to their executives and to some extent, investors.
I would also permanently remove the "citizen" status that corporations and businesses enjoy. The only motivation of any business is profit, and the business community regularly shits on the laws, at the expense of "we, the people".

but git........havent we read all about the 5 dollar lettuce we will have to pay for?

hooray for the new congress run by socialist comrade pelosi......

Does that make GW Bush the Secretary General?

""hooray for the new congress run by socialist comrade pelosi......""

Don't really know what BL is babbling about, and I doubt he does either but it might be good to remember that the Dems are supporting the bill that Bush wanted.
A resolution demanding that the Executive Branch DO ITS JOB would be a more effective piece of legislation.
Isn't criminal negligence a crime???

the Secretary General?....of the Polit Bureau?

Shameful-Just shameful. Democrats are about to flush this country down the toilet. It has never worked and if they do this I will neve vote democrat ever in my life. Let the illegals vote for them. I cannot be a party of illegals

"The companies that hire illegals do not pass that savings on to the "consumer"."

That is an assumption on your part. You don't know that.


"I would also permanently remove the "citizen" status that corporations and businesses enjoy."

Can you explain???

"hooray for the new congress run by socialist comrade pelosi......"
Posted by bushlovertwo at 2006-12-05 09:00 AM

YEAH! Well, you only had twelve years to do somthin' about it, don't cry now just because you waited till the end of the weekend to get your homework done!
Now go to bed little girl!

Thanks Tony. Interesting reading.

"""The companies that hire illegals do not pass that savings on to the "consumer"."

That is an assumption on your part. You don't know that.""

Bull shit. Just take a look a the price of homes in S. Florida and show me the savings that a home buyer gets from the illegal alien labor who built the home.
Let's see where roof prices have fallen due to illegal alien labor.
Let's see the fast food hamburger chain price reductions.

But I guess you can't dispute anything else said here about illegal alien labor being encouraged by the administration when it is their job to enforce the existing laws.

Thanks Tony. Interesting reading.

Segueways nicely into your question Eberly. I started a Backpage thread on the topic if you'd like to comment further. It is remarkable just how much "conservative politics" uses government to move money upward while decrying any notions that government should help those in the lower strata. But again, this is just human nature, and no one is immune to its forces, most expressly self-interest.

Danni,

The only thing keeping amentsy (sp?) away was the constervates.

CChris gotta be feeling good about the dems now, huh?

PCB

Sorry about the spelling, jeeez.

PCB

JMJF
what difference does "amnesty" make??? The illegals are pouring in, getting jobs, homes, medical care, education, etc. anyway. I wonder, what does the bill being considered do in regards to employers??? Does it change the existing law, which Bush won't enforce????
The debate about which immigration bill to enact is a DIVERSION!!!
Enforcement is all we need to deal with the problem. Bush knows that, the corporations know that, Congress knows that. Everyone seems to know it except the vast majority of Americans. Even the illegals know it.

what I AM talking about danni is the coming move closer towards socialism thanks to the democrats who hoodwinked enough people to get a majority although a slim one.
all you have to start with is the democratic push to put walmart out of business to see the move toward socialism....
and what does this have to do with amnesty....well perhaps the fact that dems need all 12 million of these VICTIMS to be voters to insure their path towards this move.........and I find it difficult to believe that any dem can attack bush over this stance since his stance is much more left than right and I hate that......

so why dont they just take all the laws off the boooks about anyone being il legal..lets just open the borders even more.....couldnt we save a lot of money by doing away with the border patrol?

and it all has to do with the democratic means to THIS end.....

control.........from womb to tomb.

"Bull shit. Just take a look a the price of homes in S. Florida and show me the savings that a home buyer gets from the illegal alien labor who built the home.
Let's see where roof prices have fallen due to illegal alien labor.
Let's see the fast food hamburger chain price reductions."

You don't know anything Danni...you only suppose. Illegal workers have been working in Florida for how long? In the meantime realestate has gone up how much? Land has a lot to do with that Danni. If you make $200K and have been buying realestate in Florida for the last 20 years then you can make the argument....otherwise you don't really know. Same with roofs. How long has that been going on?

Hamburger chains? You are making an argument for jobs in hamburger chains? Why??

Danni, you just have angry rhetoric because you don't like it. But you don't know that it hasn't resulted in lower prices. I don't know if it has either but I am not going to state for a fact that they have.

But I guess you can't dispute anything else said here about illegal alien labor being encouraged by the administration when it is their job to enforce the existing laws.

Posted by danni

Don't assign a position to me Danni!!! I am in agreement with you on the lack of enforcement of this problem. Further, I am in the minority with regard to holding companies accountable for knowingly hiring illegals.

No program to stop this problem can work without holding employers accountable. That has to be a part of any solution otherwise it is a waste of time.

Oh, I see BL, national health care will be the end of our civilization. Thank God there are still some real patriots like you out there to point out the Marxists among us, some of us were really unaware that all Democrats are really Communists. Thanks for setting me straight, with Sen. McCarthy gone it is your responsibility to protect us from those Godless Commies.

Illegal immigration. Illegal means against the law. So the first act they commit in the US is illegal. This is a great start to, "I'll be productive and obey the law".

How to resolve illegal immigration.
Arrest them all and deport?
Nope, not enough people to do the job.
Swarm the border with patrols/troops?
Nope, too costly.
Crack down on employers of illegals?
Nope, no one to do the jobs - meaning no supplies for the demand.

What can we do?

With just a handful of captures, we place them in the court system for conviction. Once convicted, sell them into slavery. The sale will cover the costs sufficiently and the excess and expand the program and pay of the National Debt - how many illegals compared to the Trillions?

Employers - turn over your illegals and you get a discount on the convict, if convicted, that is. Receive amnesty in return.

If employer fails to turn them in, turn in the employer for a discount on their sale, if convicted, of course.

The 13th provides the slave option. No, the 14th doesn't prevent slavery no more than it does the 8th. If we can exterminate a life (death penalty) than the slavery can exist.

Excuse me Eberly, you're right, I did "assign a position to you". Sorry.

National Health Care will make the Iraq War seem inexpensive.

Did You know the FIRST White Castle Hamburger and FIRST PIzza Hut Pizza was first Made in Wichita Kansas. NOW YOU KNOW.

Larry

National Health Care will make the Iraq War seem inexpensive.

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Try the other way around and You would be telling the truth

Larry

No problem Danni.

The problem with enforcing the law with regard to employers is that anybody can get a fake SS card and ID for $100. I know a large company who hired "experts" to determine if job applicant's SS cards and IDs were legit....they couldn't tell. Even if an employer take precautions what do we do if we find illegals working there????

White Castles too Larry? Everybody knows Pizza hut started here but I didn't know about White Castle.

""National Health Care will make the Iraq War seem inexpensive.""

Er....Earth to Petrous.... we already pay for national health care through health insurance companies....but we don't get it even though we pay more per capita than any other nation. The amount paid now could easily provide for every man, woman and child to have health care.

Yes White Castle were first started in WIchita Kansas and I want to say West DOuglas street.

Larry

EBERLY you know as well as I do that a country that can land men on the moon can design a method to determine if potential employees are legal or not.
Come on, let's not provide excuses for the Bush administration not enforcing the law. I guarantee you we could design an identification system for far less than that stupid wall.

There is a "Nu-Way" on West Douglas. Are White Castles related to it?

"I guarantee you we could design an identification system for far less than that stupid wall."

I'm all for that. Will the ACLU allow any of it????

Excuse me Eberly, you're right, I did "assign a position to you". Sorry.

Posted by danni at 2006-12-05 11:29 AM | Reply

Which Position did You assign to Him?? Bwhahahahahahahahah

Larry

There is no need for an identification system.

Birth certificate!!!!! Notorized.

There is a "Nu-Way" on West Douglas. Are White Castles related to it?

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I don't believe they are and We USED to have a Nu Way hamburger joint in Our Mall but that has been gone for YEARSSSSSSS now. Lord I miss that crumbly Hamburger it was soooooooooooooo good.

Larry

I love NU-Ways Larry!!

Crass,

What if I am born in Africa and I want to come here legally? I have no birth certificate.

The current National Health Care is no where near what is being proposed.

If everyone receives the care that the people seem to want, the expenses will be more than most domestic or military programs.

Then your country in Africa would have to come up with some system to identify their citizens. Why should it be America's problem???

""The current National Health Care is no where near what is being proposed.""

Proposed????
What proposal???
From what I have read the only likely proposal will be a system to insure all kids. You make claims about the expense without knowing what is really even being discussed much less proposed. Then you claim the cost would be far more than what is collected through health care insurance presently which is illogical considering that statistically Americans pay more than any other nation for health care. If you remove the layers of profit there would be considerable savings and the management that the Medicare administrators have done is by all accounts even more efficient than is that provided by private insurance.
You might consider national health care socialism if you want but your claims that it will be more costly than our present system just doesn't add up.
personally, when I get sick and need a doctor, I don't care if it is socialist or not I just want to get better.
MILLIONS of Americans can't go to the doctor. Millions lose their insurance every year.

"Crack down on employers of illegals?
Nope, no one to do the jobs - meaning no supplies for the demand."



That is where you are wrong. There are plenty of Americans to do the job that illegal immigrants are doing. Just not many willing to work 12 hours in 100 degree weather laying roofing shingles for $4 per hour with no benefits.

If Congress paid $5.15 per hour for the 97 hours they actually spend working per year, how many people would want to be a member of Congress?

If everyone receives the care that the people seem to want, the expenses will be more than most domestic or military programs.

Posted by Petrous at 2006-12-05 11:46 AM | Repl

Provide a link to your documentation for this claim.

A national health care system would lower health costs for everyone. Why?

Preventative care is much less costly than curative care. Preventing diabetes through screening education and lifestyle coaching is cheaper than insulin shots and glucose monitoring.

People without insurance treat emergency rooms as their primary care physicians. It is immensely more expensive to treat an affliction in a hospital ER than in a doctors office.

Done right, a national health care system can negotiate cheaper prices on pharmaceuticals through buying power. WalMart demands lower prices from its vendors because of the vast number of items it buys, why can't Medicare? (Maybe it is because the Medicare drug benefit plan was written by the Pharm companies).

Of course it would put for profit health insurance companies and hmo's out of business and since they throw millions of dollars into campaign coffers every year real national health insurance will be just like real campaign finance reform. Ain't gonna happen.

amazin they want to help illegals become become legal when they can't even help the people here legally be come legal
jasman

Charlie Daniels on mexicans - not only can he play a wicked country song on his guitar or fiddle, but he can "tell it like it is": (Checked out on 'Truth or Fiction.com'


Mexican Standoff

I don?t know how everybody else feels about it, but to me I think Hispanic people in this country, legally or illegally, made a huge public relations mistake with their recent demonstrations.
I don?t blame anybody in the world for wanting to come to the United States of America, as it is a truly wonderful place. But when the first thing you do when you set foot on American soil is illegal it is flat out wrong and I don?t care how many lala land left heads come out of the woodwork and start trying to give me sensitivity lessons.
I don?t need sensitivity lessons, in fact I don?t have anything against Mexicans! I just have something against criminals and anybody who comes into this country illegally is a criminal and if you don?t believe it, try coming into America from a foreign country without a passport and see how far you get.
What disturbs me about the demonstrations is that it?s tantamount to saying, ?I am going to come into your country even if it means breaking your laws and there?s nothing you can do about it.?
It?s an ?in your face? action and speaking just for me I don?t like it one little bit and if there were a half dozen pairs of gonads in Washington bigger than English peas it wouldn?t be happening.
Where are you, you bunch of lilly livered, pantywaist, forked tongued, sorry excuses for defenders of The Constitution? Have you been drinking the water out of the Potomac again?
And even if you pass a bill on immigration it will probably be so pork laden and watered down that it won?t mean anything anyway. Besides, what good is an other law going to do when you won?t enforce the ones on the books now?

And what ever happened to the polls guys? I thought you folks were the quintessential finger wetters. Well you sure ain?t paying any attention to the polls this time because somewhere around eighty percent of Americans want something done about this mess, and mess it is and getting bigger everyday.
This is no longer a problem, it is a dilemma and headed for being a tragedy. Do you honestly think that what happened in France with the Muslims can?t happen here when the businesses who hire these people finally run out of jobs and a few million disillusioned Hispanics take to the streets?
If you, Mr. President, Congressmen and Senators, knuckle under on this and refuse to do something meaningful it means that you care nothing for the kind of country your children and grandchildren will inherit.
But I guess that doesn?t matter as long as you get re-elected. Shame on you.
One of the big problems in America today is that if you have the nerve to say anything derogatory about any group of people (except Christians) you are going to be screamed at by the media and called a racist, a bigot and anything else they can think of to call you.
Well I?ve been pounded by the media before and I?m still rockin? and rollin? and when it comes to speaking the truth I fear not. And the truth is that the gutless, gonadless, milksop politicians are just about to sell out the United States of America because they don?t have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to the face reality.
And reality is that we would never allow any other group of people to have 12 million illegals in this country and turn a round and say, ?Oh it?s ok, ya'll can stay here if you?ll just allow us to slap your wrist.?
And I know that some of you who read this column are saying ?Well what?s wrong with that??
I?ll tell you what?s wrong with it. These people could be from Mars as far as we know. We don?t know who they are, where they are or what they?re up to and the way the Congress is going we?re not going to.
Does this make sense? Labor force you say? We already subsidize corporate agriculture as it is, must we subsidize their labor as well?
If these people were from Haiti would we be so fast to turn a blind eye to them or if they were from Somalia or Afghanistan? I think not.
All the media shows us are pictures of hard working Hispanics who have crossed the border just to try to better their life. They don?t show you pictures of the Feds rounding up members of MS 13, the violent gang who came across the same way the decent folks did. They don?t tell you about the living conditions of the Mexican illegals some fat cat hired to pick his crop.
I want to make two predictions



No. 1: This situation is going to grow and fester until it erupts in violence on our streets while the wimps in Washington drag their toes in the dirt and try to figure how many tons of political hay they can make to the acre.
No 2: Somebody is going to cross that border with some kind of weapon of mass destruction and set it off in a major American city after which there will be a backlash such as this country has never experienced and the Capitol building in Washington will probably tilt as Congressmen and Senators rush to the other side of the issue.
I don?t know about you but I would love to see just one major politician stand up and say, ?I don?t care who I make mad and I don?t care how many votes I lose, this is a desperate situation and I?m going to lead the fight to get it straightened out.?
I don?t blame anybody for wanting to come to America, but if you don?t respect our immigration laws why should you respect any others.
And by the way, this is America, and our flag has stars and stripes. Please get that other one out of my face.
Pray for our troops
What do you think?
God Bless America
Charlie Daniels
April 10, 2006

back during the Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of all illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American citizens that desperately needed work.



And then again in 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 1.3 million Mexican nationals! The program was called "Operation "Wetback" so that American WWII and Korean veterans had a better chance at jobs. It took 2 years, but they deported them!

Becoming Illegal (From a Maryland resident to his senator)

The Honorable Paul S. Sarbanes
Senate Office Building




309 Hart
Washington DC , 20510

Dear Senator Sarbanes,

As a native Marylander and excellent customer of the Internal Revenue Service, I am writing to ask for your assistance. I have contacted the Department of Homeland Security in an effort to determine the process for becoming an illegal alien and they referred me to you.

My primary reason for wishing to change my status from U.S. Citizen to illegal alien stem from the bill which was recently passed by the Senate and for which you voted. If my understanding of this bill's provisions is accurate, as an illegal alien who has been in the United States for five years, all I need to do to become a citizen is to pay a $2,000 fine and income taxes for three of the last five years. I know a good deal when I see one and I am anxious to get the process started before everyone figures it out.
!
Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay taxes every year so I'm excited about the prospect of avoiding two years of taxes in return for paying a $2,000 fine. Is there any way that I can apply to be illegal retroactively? This would yield an excellent result for me and my family because we paid heavy taxes in 2004 and 2005.

Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using the local emergency room as my primary health care provider. Once I have stopped paying premiums for medical insurance, my accountant figures I could save almost $10,000 a year. Another benefit in gaining illegal status would be that my daughter would receive preferential treatment relative to her law school applications, as well as "in-state" tuition rates for many colleges throughout the United States for my son.

Lastly, I understand that illegal status would relieve me of the burden of renewing my driver's license and making those burdensome car insurance premiums. This is very important to me given that I still have college age children driving my car.

If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become illegal (retroactively if possible) and copies of the necessary forms, I would be most appreciative. Thank you for your assistance.

Your Loyal Constituent,

Pete McGlaughlin
Get your Forms (NOW)!! Call your Internal Revenue Service 1-800-289-1040.
Please pass this onto your friends so they can save on this great offer!!!!


....and just think when they files their tax reports they will more than likely collect a EITC check to help them cover those pesky fines....

Kerrin57,

Excellent work! Very funny!

JON...didn't write it just passing it along. wouldn't it be nice to only have to pay 2 of your last 5 yr taxes.why in the hell aren't more people mad as hell?and how about the poor saps that run afoul of the irs ...they have their lives ruined and their lifes work seized...or how about the ones that had their ssi# used by an illegal and had the irs come after them?most of the illegals have figure out if they claim 6 or 7 dependants there is no withholding

There are no "dems"

Aint no ..."pubs"

Is only BIG GOVT. SOLD OUT TO.......

(yeah, yeah)

WE ALL KNOW WHO.

(But, we like to pretend we don't know so we don't have to feel the need TO DO SOMETHING!)

Kerrin57,

The gist of the letter is funny in an almost perverted sense. Sometimes as an American you have to laugh at the idiocy of it all so as to not cry.

""back during the Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of all illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American citizens that desperately needed work.



And then again in 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 1.3 million Mexican nationals! The program was called "Operation "Wetback" so that American WWII and Korean veterans had a better chance at jobs. It took 2 years, but they deported them!""

That was when Republican politicians were still Americans.

Think on this. We are not talking just about
12 to 20 million illegals. You must factor in the reality that as soon as the now illegals become citizens each of the 10 to 20 million new citizens will be bringing several relatives into the country. The result on amnesty isn't merely 12 to 20 million but more like 36 to 60 million immigrants on a consevative(no pun) estimate.

visit this site...has many informative links.i don't agree with all they say but has alot of info...onestop shopping..www.numbersusa.com

good grief silkie...i got this one...amazing! anything constructive on the what to "do"?

I recently had a new roof put on my house. I got three bids. Companies number one and two used American labor (mostly college students) and paid them $15.00 an hour. Company number three used immigrant labor and paid them $7.50 an hour. Company number three's bid was $2000.00 more than the other two.

k57
........

".....anything constructive on the what to "do".......?"

.....

SPEAK UP....to anyone (including policemen) , & anywhere....... even while shoping!), about the truth & the brainwashed induced avoidance of it.

NEVER..........allow govt. in any way be presented as an "authority"

Only refer to "govt" as your servant & DEMAND that your neighbors do the same if they would have your respect.

MEDITATE...& form within yourself all spiritual truths....so as to be free from the EXPLOITATION CALLED RELIGION.

AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE OR PRACTICAL.....free yourself from the economic system that would put you in dependence of it.

IF THIS MEANS CHANGING COMPLETELY YOUR LIFE STYLE.....dare do it!

KNOW.............everything as from-yourself.

FORGET TEE VEE, the MSM...etc. (INCLUDING all FORMS OF puerile "entertainment") & focus ONLY on BEING THE LIVING TRUTH...the spiritual warrior.

BE PREPARED ALWAYS TO LOSE & DIE.

NEVER YIELD.......to an "easier solution"

FIND STRENGTH ONLY FROM WITHIN YOURSELF.

FIND YOUR REAL......BROTHERS & SISTERS.

......

&, MOST IMPORTANTLY

make your own list of things "to do"

AND PRINT THEM HERE & EVERYWHERE.

good grief silkie...ya wanna get me tossed in the slammer.

k57

.......

You are already "in the slammer"

(a "psychological & emotional" slammer)

I wanna you to getta outta there!

AND TAKE A FEW A DA UTTERS WIT YOU!

.....

as we patiently await your "list of things we must do"

How about teaching these new official immigrants that the Flag for the United States of America,is not the same as Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras or a hundred others. When you become part of another country, It behoves you to learn the language and the history. If I left to live in Bolivia, I would speak the lingo of the land right now. Not thirty leats later still not understanding anything but english.

The title is ignorant as hall. The Repuke controlled Cong granted amnesty thru Social Security MONTHS AGO.

STOP THE BS. STOP BLAMING DEMO's.

They do not rule just yet.

I am against kicking them out, it's time for you all to wake up and accept their presence. Just re-district texas to Mexico city, and welcome them all in. Atleast they make alot of babies! Unlike the Europeans we can grow with them!

Standing behind a Mexican in Macy's Sunday, I noticed he had a fist full of $20. I gawked watching him count out $500 bucks, and hand it over to the nice counterperson. He just purchased 500 bucks of presents (mainly clothes)!!!! Welcome to Americas!

Having lived in fla for 10 yrs, I came to surmise that anyone who comes here and works hard and doesn't steal is welcome in my book

It's about driving down wages. That's the only reason illegal immigration is allowed to go on. The people who pay for political campaigns don't want to pay for labor. Mexicans can make a great contribution to this country. Family oriented culture and a strong cultural wark ethic. I got no problem with them at all but the fact is they are being taken advantage of just as U.S. citizens are. If fifty percent of the work force are illegal it's impossible to inforce taxe and wage laws, pure and simple.

If you want the American economy to end up looking like Mexicos go ahead and turn a blind eye to illegal immigration. The problem will solve itself, eventually there will be no reason for Mexicans to want to come here.

DOGMAN

It's about driving down wages. That's the only reason illegal immigration is allowed to go on. The people who pay for political campaigns don't want to pay for labor. Mexicans can make a great contribution to this country. Family oriented culture and a strong cultural wark ethic. I got no problem with them at all but the fact is they are being taken advantage of just as U.S. citizens are. If fifty percent of the work force are illegal it's impossible to inforce taxe and wage laws, pure and simple.

If you want the American economy to end up looking like Mexicos go ahead and turn a blind eye to illegal immigration. The problem will solve itself, eventually there will be no reason for Mexicans to want to come here.

DOGMAN

""Standing behind a Mexican in Macy's Sunday, I noticed he had a fist full of $20.""

OMG!!! Apparently he was Hispanic but how could you tell if he was an illegal alien or perhaps a citizen of the US who was successful??

""Having lived in fla for 10 yrs, I came to surmise that anyone who comes here and works hard and doesn't steal is welcome in my book""

Obviously you don't work in the construction trades where illegals work for less than fair wages, do not have acceptable health standards (urinating and even defecating within buildings they are working on). All employers who hire illegals should be punished. It is the law. Enforce the law. If the majority wants to change the law, which I doubt, then fine but first let's have Congress discuss it and vote. Presently the Executive Branch refuses to enforce our laws which in itself is a crime.

danni...as i have said before the employers can not be held accountable until the government gets on board giving the employers a means of checking on work status.when two of the legal forms are given to satisfy the I-9 an employer must accept them. to question their authenticity or to ask for someother id leaves the employer open to a discrimination suit....which can bankrupt a business...at this point i do not believe there is a form of id out there that can not be forged...they have to have a data base that can be accessed by employers.

STEVEH..." The Repuke controlled Cong granted amnesty thru Social Security MONTHS AGO" i would be interested to read about this...LINK? i don't blame dems...our whole government has failed ...really bad starting with reagan and forward. the only way to get the secure borders and to get a reasonable guest worker program is by hounding congress!a worker verification and large fines to employers of illegals is the way to go.to reward people for stealing ssi# is insane...about 8 yrs ago i helped an employee send info to a ssi office in ca...they wanted to sort out his actual income so they could PAY benefits to HIS brother who worked here illegaly under his brother green card .i had one guy whose papers i found suspect tell me he knew of a lis. bureau employee out of n.y.c. that was selling legal dr. lis. to illegals.....another after presenting me with a virginia dr. lis. and ssi went to ca. upon returning he gave me a whole new set of id...he paid someone in immigration for legal work status.

A National Healthcare Program is designed for medical coverage for all. Meaning, those who don't have coverage will be able to have it.

Do you need a link? Look it up yourself.

The issue is the uninsured will become insured. If the gov't has to pay for each person to become insured, that cost will be astronomical. How many are uninsured x's the amount the gov't will have to pay per person. For the rest of their life.

The costs will outpace other programs

DAVE"doesn't steal is welcome in my book""...they are stealing ssi#'s... then when they work they claim umpteen dependents so they pay little to no state and fed tax so the irs comes calling on the "owner of said ssi# to pay up...then the illegals avail themselves of all ours social programs...i know for a fact our county health department has been providing services for 1 sometimes 4th babies born to illegals while we all struggle to pay for health costs.in mass. a worker had a 6,000$ hospital bill "forgiven" TOTALLY because he claimed everyone he could in mexico...mass law! they could not even collect a co-pay...how does the hospital make up the loss? charge the paying guy more.then you have the ones that just change states instead of paying after a hospital stay .so it's not GUN to your head stealing. is it any wonder why employers who provide heath insurance can't afford pay raises...

PET...take it one step further...gov't pays.... with monies confiscated from working tax payers.and like medicare and medicaid it will become a bloated inefficient boondoggle riddled with waste and fraud.

I'm sooo glad Pelosi's in charge. She'll do what's best for us - LOL