No one gives a crap about this guy. And is there anyway we can deport danny glover too? I was sickened to see him like that...

YEAH, but he talking about the kind topped with chipotle sauce and a side of barracho beans

Oh Whatever!

Does anybody doubt, by this point, the seriousness of this mans claim?

It's not like BushCo have any morals or scruples to hold them back or anything.

South and Central America have suffered horribly over the years due to American interference in those region.

Crushing any political players in the region who refused to play ball,(by which Spud means insisting on putting the welfare of the people over sweetheart deals fer multinationals), has been a traditional pastime fer American presidents fer a while now.

Nowaday, the standard MO is to force countries to accept an inhumane template fer their economies that slash any forms of social spending to the bone while handing out tax breaks willy nilly to powerful interests.

In these efforts, the IMF and World Bank (now run by whom again?) have created many enemies.

You may have seen them at wot are still called "anti-globalisation" protests fer some reason.

That's a mis-nomer by the way.

Nobodies anti-globalisation per se but the templates being offered to date do not represent livable choices fer the vast majority.

But Spud digresses.

Spud'll do that, you know.

Be Well.

Chavez would be disappointed to hear how little he's talked about outside of Venezuela, except in liberals' wet dreams. Though Chavez' Venezuela has 25 million people, Ohio has a bigger domestic product. By two and a half times as much. (418 billion to 145 billion).

Maybe Chavez should put down his Noam Chomsky, and read up on Adam Smith.

PS: 20 minutes ago...

"The recent military build-up in Venezuela by U.S. nemesis President Hugo Chavez has other countries in the region worried that the weapons could end up in the hands of terrorists, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Monday."

Sound familiar?

It should.

Be Well.

"Does anybody doubt, by this point, the seriousness of this mans claim?"

Does anybody doubt, by the point, the VALIDITY of this man's claim?

I can think of a few folks who just might question that.

Spud

Does this mean that the WMDs are in and around Caracas to the east and south and west and north somewhat?

"I can think of a few folks who just might question that."

Spud'll give ya Rummy... who else?

Be Well.

"Does this mean that the WMDs are in and around Caracas to the east and south and west and north somewhat"

Precisely!

Be Well.

I clicked on your link to "Manufacturing Consent", and I think you've just cured insomnia.

Spud is now a sleepy potato spud.

I'll give Chavez credit for one thing, though. He has taken Chomsky to heart--stolen all the land and property of foreigners for the benefit of himself and a small gang of pals. And to keep himself in power at home, he gives away gas for below cost.

Noam is very proud to have a disciple in Chavez, I'm sure. Not exactly a movement, that, but in a few years, when Caracas is as intolerable as Havana is and everyone is equally poor and the leading export of the country is people, Chomsky will be able to declare it a total success.

I can think of a few folks who just might question that."

Spud'll give ya Rummy... who else?

Be Well.

Posted by dethspud

I was just referring to DR posters.

Why am I shocked you are a fan of Chomsky?

"This film showcases Noam Chomsky, one of America's leading linguists and political dissidents. It also illustrates his message of how government and big media businesses cooperate to produce an effective propaganda machine in order to manipulate the opinions of the United States populous. The key example for this analysis is the simultaneous events of the massive coverage of the communist atrocities of Khmer Rouge regime of Cambodia and the suppression of news of the US supported Indonesian invasion and subjugation of East Timor"

In the doc, Chomsky makes a strong case fer the propaganda model that he feels America exists under. Comparing language and coverage of similar events and finding inconsistencies that simply cannot be put down to any random cause but must be seen as part of a larger comprehensive strategy.

Noam Chomsky is arguably one of the smartest. nost informed, intellectuals in the english speaking world.

Some people see danger in his words bome people see sense and hope.

They're both right.

"Why am I shocked you are a fan of Chomsky?"

Dunno. Are you shocked that Spud is a fan of unvarnished truth?

Cos is same same.

Be Well.

From an editorial review of "Manufacturing Consent".

"....The authors identify the forces that they contend make the national media propagandistic: the major three being the motivation for profit through ad revenue, the media's close links to and often ownership by corporations, and their acceptance of information from biased sources...."

What's everybody's impression of Chavez and Ahmadinejad in America? Loose cannon nutcases and dangerous to America. Who tells us that? CNN, MSNBC, FOX, CBS, NBC, ABC and rightwingradio and the press.

What do people in the rest of South America think about Chavez and what do the Shi'ites in Iraq and other Muslim countries think about Ahmadinejad? I really don't know but I do know that their opinions are not formed by CNN etc. as ours are. More by Al Arabiya and Al Jazeera and the South American media, I would think.

Their consent is as easily manufactured as ours.

Our strength is that we allow people to point out to us that, in their opinion, that is what is happening to us. Their weakness is that they don't.

Some people in America would prefer that it was not pointed out to us. They will mostly be found on the right, though not exclusively. Boaz and RisR are probably two of them. A lot of the Arab world gives the impression that if you point out similar things about them you risk being picked up by their often despotic governments, tortured and disappeared or just beheaded and dumped on the streets.

What do people in nearly all the rest of the world think about Bush? We all know that. Some of us think that makes Bush an even better President for America, others don't.

look at all the righties come out when theres a post about chavez...i think some people have a slight obsession.

i know you hate him because he decided to occupy 2 countries and change his goverment from a constitutional republic to a fascist police state...wait, thats bush......why do the righties hate hugo? is it the lack of ass kissing he is doing to big oil or are you all such lemmings that you dont even know why you hate him?
by the way...why does cuba deserve isolation but communist china gets "favored nation" trade status?
are there good commies and bad commies?

Two failed coups against Chavez? I only remember one. Condi certainly made a fool of herself when she prematurely recognized the usurper and then had to backtrack. What's that you say? America helped organize the coup? Never! Unfortunately for her the coup was such a fucked up fiasco that it it was all but impossible not to think that the Bush administration must have been behind it.

"Caracas is as intolerable as Havana is"


Actually Havana is quite nice.

The inside of your pathetic skull must be a living hell, though.

"
Why am I shocked you are a fan of Chomsky?
"
Posted by eberly at 2006-10-02 10:32 PM

Because you are an idiot?

Or because your hemmorrhoids have acquired consciousness on their own?

Well if Havana is quite nice, why are so many of them busting their balls to get to Miami?

Maybe you were fooled by the dog-and-pony show they bring out for their tourists, and missed the people stringing tires together and checking the outbound tides to make another run through the Florida Straits. Still, you know best.

And my skull isn't pathetic--it's pretty nice actually, which is why I cut my hair down to the scalp when I started to develop a bald spot on top. I have a very attractive skull. It's my face that people find objectionable.

And Data, most hemorrhoids only have one 'M'. Yours must be real doozies.

Or because your hemmorrhoids have acquired consciousness on their own?

Posted by DATA

whats this...data cant spell? funny, he was just correcting my spelling ...maybe he should be spell checking himself first lol ;-)

What hypcrates the DR left is acting like, with Chavez just another acceptable mouthpiece for your hate. All the countries who benefit from us aid, either monetary or defensive, that applauded Chavez's speech, belong in the same camp.

Maybe you'd prefer a racist dictator as your mouthpiece. Keep on embrecing his ideology, next thing you be buddies with his good friend Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

If the UN vas in Vz anyone who had called Chavez names would have been arrested, if not killed by rioting citizens.

What the hell is a "hypcrate"?

When CNN was reporting from Venezueala, the reporters informed us that they were being harrassed by Chavez's police. How do you feel about that?

What the hell is a "hypcrate"?

Posted by itsme at 2006-10-03 08:05 AM

Hard to determine, either a large crate or one that does great hip hop.

Maybe Chavez should put down his Noam Chomsky, and read up on Adam Smith.

Posted by rightisright at 2006-10-02 10:13 PM

Maybe *YOU* should read up on Adam Smith, you moron! Smith was an outspoken critic of the exploitations of the poor by empire!

"All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind."

Smith also condemned "the merchants and manufacturers" of England, who were "by far the principal architects" of policy and made sure their own interests were "most peculiarly attended to" no matter how "grievous" the effect on others, including the victims of their "savage injustice" abroad and the people of England as well.

Oh, geez. I took the above paragraph from a Chomsky book, Hegemony or Survival. I guess that invalidates it completely by your RepubliThugLogick(TM), even though Chomsky's actually *hyuck hyuck* READ Smith's work (which you obviously have not).

Quite regardless of the fact that you obviously haven't read much (if any) Adam Smith, you still drop references to him as if he'd actually support your idiocy.

Anyway, I think it's sick that we are still playing these games in Latin America. Chavez is elected and supported by a vast majority of his countrypeople, which is a hell of a lot more than we can say about King George. And now because he doesn't want to "play ball" as Spud put it, Bush is going to attempt to assassinate him AGAIN? LOFL! The little cowboy's hypocrisy knows no bounds! So much for his "messianic mission" of spreading democracy!

Thomas Carothers, from Reagan's State Department, describes administrations past and present as "schizophrenic" in that they support "democracy" when it's in US economic and strategic interests; otherwise, it is opposed.

And this continues to be true.

whats this...data cant spell? funny, he was just correcting my spelling ...maybe he should be spell checking himself first lol ;-)

Posted by 503jc69

It is Data's standard MO to correct spelling when all he has is rage and envy.

It is Data's standard MO to correct spelling when all he has is rage and envy.

Dat has the least rage of anybody here, right or left.
And a Hypcrate is like an old 454 Camaro.

He's probably full of shit. I think he knows that Bush is a backbiter who looks to crush anyone who has their own opinions. So he throws out this mole story in hopes that the Bush takes the bait and starts a withhunt for the leak.

If Chavez did have a mole in the White House or elseware why in the hell would he admit it.

There is no way he would expose that information and the benifit of keeping it a secret far outweighs exposing it.

Chavez is a fool. Plain and simple!

2112 works with numbers, not words.
2112 cannot spell well.

A mole huh? Not a hamster? Well color me interested.
Sincerely,
Al Gere

A Mole?

Oh wait...I'm thinking about "The Mole", I loved that show. Anderson Cooper (hubba hubba), trying to guess who the mole was.

I miss that show.

Ok. I'm done now.

He isn't stupid by making this statement because it makes it pretty clear that should anything happen to him it will be quite obvious who is responsible. Americans need to some day realize that we do not own the world and that the people of Venezuela have a right to choose their own leaders even if a man who stole two elections in the United States doesn't like it.

What hypcrates the DR left is acting like, with Chavez just another acceptable mouthpiece for your hate. All the countries who benefit from us aid, either monetary or defensive, that applauded Chavez's speech, belong in the same camp.

Maybe you'd prefer a racist dictator as your mouthpiece. Keep on embrecing his ideology, next thing you be buddies with his good friend Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

If the UN vas in Vz anyone who had called Chavez names would have been arrested, if not killed by rioting citizens.

Posted by DavetheWave

I think we're all a little dumber just from reading this post.

""If the UN vas in Vz anyone who had called Chavez names would have been arrested, if not killed by rioting citizens.""

You make a statement about freedom of speech in Venezuela....now how about backing it up with a link....or are you just making crap up????

101, as you know, I highly value your opinion of me because I have such great respect for you. I will now go cry my eyes out because of your harsh words.

Danni,
How about a link to back that up, or are you just making crap up (like you did regarding minority deaths in vietnam)?

101,
You are trying to deal with someone who respects and looks up to the likes of Cindy Sheehag, Danny Glover, Sean Penn, Alec Baldwin... You know the scholars who have all dropped out of school and feel the need to show their political knowledge. She only understands the bumper sticker messages. Short and simple.

Hey, Danni, you Socialist hack, you want a link, huh?

Put "Hugo Chavez Human Rights Violations" in any search engine and you will get plenty of links. I could provide you with links but why waste the time? You won't read them.

Chavez has done everything you have ever accused Bush of doing and worse, but you'll never condemn him for it. Because you love what he stands for.

Well, I may not agree with everything Bush does, but I do love what he stands for. If that makes me a neocon, fine.

But you'll never admit you are a socialist, Danni.

"He isn't stupid by making this statement because it makes it pretty clear that should anything happen to him it will be quite obvious who is responsible. Americans need to some day realize that we do not own the world and that the people of Venezuela have a right to choose their own leaders even if a man who stole two elections in the United States doesn't like it."

I read a book by a Nikolas Kozloff on Chavez and one of his MOs is to purposely do/say things in order to get people to underestimate him. Basic common sense would tell anyone with a functioning gray cell that if he had a mole he wouldn't let that be publicly known. He's said before (and this is basically a repetition) that if he is killed, the blood is on the hands of George W Bush.

As far as human rights violations go, nobody has said that Chavez is perfect; indeed, there's plenty out there to criticize. However, cheerleading for our cowboy-despot's desperate attempts to violate international law and assassinate a leader he finds to be inconvenient to his goal of American Empire is shamefully hypocritical. Especially when you attempt to justify getting rid of Chavez based on human rights violations.

BTW: since you have introduced google searches as a barometer of human rights violations, a google search for "hugo chavez human rights violations" comes up with 630,000 hits; a search for "george w bush human rights violations" returns 4,740,000. Apparently, Bush is 7.5x worse than Chavez. Why aren't you calling for his removal from office?

But, I'm sure the difference of 4,110,000 pages is part of the socialist/communist/vast far-left-wing liberal media bias, right?

Make sure to adjust your tinfoil-hat every now and again...

BTW, I guess I did answer my own question though, DAVETHEWAVE does just make crap up.

"She only understands the bumper sticker messages. Short and simple."

Kinda like the "W '04" bumper stickers.

Keep the message simple for the simple minded.

A 3 year old article, Danni? Don't tell me no one has done a puff piece any more recent than that? How sad.

Look, you favor dismantling the capitalist society this country was founded on. That makes you a Socialist.

You favor income redistribution. That makes you a Socialist.

You can claim it is all original "Danni thought" but the fact is that it has been done before. I'll tell you another dirty little secret about Socialism. There will still be a rich, elite ruling class. They will make it sound temporary, but believe me it will be permanent.

I prefer to have the little I have now to the nothing I'll have under Socialism.

Rabble you claim to know what I favor but really you don't have a clue and you aren't worth bothering with.

Rabble you claim to know what I favor but really you don't have a clue and you aren't worth bothering with.

Posted by danni at 2006-10-03 02:20 PM

Everyone here has a clue Danni. You are a socialist at heart. You support dictators like Chavez and Castro. You blame everything on the Capitalists, Corporate world. You are a bleeding heart liberal and post how proud you are to be one.

Rabble has your number and you have no defense other than to run away.

""Rabble has your number and you have no defense other than to run away.""

Run away from someone who hasn't posted a single idea??? It is easy to call people simplistic names, it is harder to actually look at issues and determine for yourself what you think is the right policy. But then, I don't expect you to understand that Crispee because you are the poster child for talking point arguments.

""Rabble has your number and you have no defense other than to run away.""

Run away from someone who hasn't posted a single idea??? It is easy to call people simplistic names, it is harder to actually look at issues and determine for yourself what you think is the right policy. But then, I don't expect you to understand that Crispee because you are the poster child for talking point arguments.

""Rabble has your number and you have no defense other than to run away.""

Run away from someone who hasn't posted a single idea??? It is easy to call people simplistic names, it is harder to actually look at issues and determine for yourself what you think is the right policy. But then, I don't expect you to understand that Crispee because you are the poster child for talking point arguments.

It is easy to call people simplistic names, it is harder to actually look at issues

Posted by danni at 2006-10-03 02:41 PM | Reply |


DANNI A FEW HOURS EARLIER ....

Vernon's post inspired me to invent a new word: hypocristupidiy.

Posted by danni at 2006-10-03 10:43 AM | Reply

Danni,
Posting it 3 times doesn't make it correct or right. Why are you so afraid of admitting you are a Liberal and a Socialist? People outside Drudge would only need to read a couple of your left wing posts and figure out what you are. You either have never read your posts or you are a big fat hypocrite posing as a Lib.

Danni you call your posts ideas?

Wow, that is quite a stretch.

Okay, an idea. My idea is that Chavez is a nutjob who poses no threat to our country.

Why are you so in love with a man who cares no more for personal freedom and free speech than your own government?

Crispee OC and Vernon,

Thank you for your assistance.

We have heard the last of Danni... on this topic at least.
It is her typical MO, get offended or pretend you are too insignificant to bother with and then she runs away.

OLDCAD:

Have you considered the slight possibility of collusion amongst the little pissant govt leaders of this hemisphere?

Of course, closing the Mexican border might be a good first step, huh?
That would make a great place to invade the country. Didn't the Cubans come that way in the movie "Red Dawn"?

""It is her typical MO, get offended or pretend you are too insignificant to bother with and then she runs away.""

pretend????

***Chavez Claims White House Mole***

......oh.......I thought he said hole....

funny how america can spend 300 billion a year on defense (equal the combined amout for the rest of the world).....yet the neo-pansies cry about hugo spending 3 billion on his countries defense. slight hypocracy?

503, you have to realize that the right is such a bunch of frightened little children that they are even willing to sacrifice basic rights for promises of security. They feel threatened by the powerful nation of Venezuela. Funny thing how they keep getting frightened by nations that have lots of oil.

"funny how america can spend 300 billion a year on defense (equal the combined amout for the rest of the world).....yet the neo-pansies cry about hugo spending 3 billion on his countries defense. slight hypocracy?"

Quite a lot of hypocrisy. Just goes to show you they don't want anyone to dare raise their head, lest that leader and his/her country be beaten savagely with the big stick of Imperialism.

"From the Philippines to Iraq we've been on the Attack!"

"Funny thing how they keep getting frightened by nations that have lots of oil."

Yeah...while the drums were beating for the buildup to the most recent Iraq war, Americans were pretty much isolated internationally in their fear of big, bad bad Saddam! How he was going to crush the helpless giant with a simple command the flick of a wrist! What nonsense!

Now, Hugo Chavez is going to blast us into oblivion with a few Russian AKs, fighter jets, etc.

You really have to be eye-deep in muddy water to believe this crap...

I am an Isolationist, myself. Don't f*** with me and I won't f*** with you.

Danni, if you volunteer to be the next one to die in a terrorist attack (non-domestic terrorist,of course)then I won't worry my pretty little head about securing the Mexican border.

Danni,
Amazing how you continue to support dictators like Chavez. You are only following the Hollywood crowd like a good little sheep. You seem to miss the point from the right. We don't like anyone coming into our Country criticizing our President. We don't like some scum aligning his Country with our sworn enemies. The difference between you and the left with us on the right is that you blame our Country as the cause of all evils instead of defending the Country as the answer to the cause. It really doesn't surprise me you would sell out your own Country which has given you so much. Because like all good lefties it is never enough. You are always jealous of what someone has earned and complain because you didn't work hard enough to get there. You take the easy way out by criticizing instead of solutions which takes work. ME ME ME I I I. Pathetic.

BTW Maybe if your hero Clinton didn't soil the history and class every President before him showed, you would see it differently.

Well, Zarathustra, your party will be in pretty soon and we'll see what those f***-ups can do.

I mean, what the hell am I worried about? So, they can't even agree on a platform, why should I doubt their ability to govern?

It'll be like a bunch of retards trying to get a doughnut in a wet paper sack.

yet the neo-pansies cry about hugo spending 3 billion on his countries defense. slight hypocracy?

Posted by 503jc69 at 2006-10-03 03:40 PM

Of course, if he had spent the 3 billion with us... well, boys will be boys ;-)

OCU

"Well, Zarathustra, your party will be in pretty soon and we'll see what those f***-ups can do."

MY party? When have I *EVER* claimed the Democrats as "mine"?

You are making an assumption you simply cannot back up with ANY evidence. I happen to think the Dems represent the lesser of two evils, but they are by no means "my" party. Hell, our major parties are like two sides of the same coin on a great many issues.

What we need are more choices! BOTH parties are, by and large, looking out for their own good first and foremost, and not the good of our nation!

(Is it any wonder why so many people (translation: close to 50% of eligible voters) feel so alienated by Politricks(TM) in America that they don't even bother showing up on election day? As George Carlin once said, (to paraphrase) "you go have your little election...I'll stay home on Election Day...the difference will be, when I'm done masturbating, I'll have something to show for it!")

Good luck ever getting that done, though. The two-party system is so entrenched, there's no way in hell they'll be letting more players into the political arena without a dirty fight.

"When have I *EVER* claimed the Democrats as "mine"?"

Here's the way it goes around here, Zarathustra:

Republicans only see black and white. There is no gray. So, you are either a republican or you're a democrat/left/liberal.

See how simple they see life??!!

Well, I certainly agree about the multiple party idea. Definitely needed.

My apologies for calling the Dems "your party", but if you plan to vote Dem.....?
I don't feel I called you out wrong.

As to my concerns about said Dems, they haven't made one campaign promise, given one clue as to what they plan to do if they get the majority.

Is it a secret?

Lisa,

"Republicans only see black and white. There is no gray. So, you are either a republican or you're a democrat/left/liberal."


Right back at you! Democrats are the same way. Either you are a neofacist/neocon/Republican.

" Either you are a neofacist/neocon/Republican."

LOL

That is so wrong.

There is a difference between a neocon/neofacist and a republican and it's recognized.

Bush, is actually a neoconfacist.

Republicans only see black and white. There is no gray. So, you are either a republican or you're a democrat/left/liberal.

Posted by Lisa at 2006-10-03 04:29 PM | Reply

Queen Lisa, Countess of Burlap and Adulteress to the Prince of Glouschestershire:

You are correct as far as you go. But Libertarians are probably the worst about B&W. Just ask one about Social Security.

The Democratic Party is committed to keeping our nation safe and expanding opportunity for every American.
-----
What a lovely way of saying that you want to raise my taxes, force my children into government schools, decide where I will live and what I can drive, and even the words I may use.

Always fun to wrap up the day with one of Tony's Orwellian clip-and-paste items!

Folks, we are digressing. the subject is a Chavez mole in the White house. I have just recieved word from the vast right wing conspiracy that this is indeed true. the mole has been uncovered. He is aligned with Senator Menendez and his name is Senor Magoo.

And its equally fun to point of the definiton you proffered exist only inside your warped imagination, not in the policies of the Democratic Party. You keep forgetting its the Republican Party that makes one hold lockstep positions, not the Democrats. Most still believe in freedom even for those making choices others wish they weren't, such as not aborting their fetuses, not having promiscuous sex with random partners, and not starting unnecessary wars in foreign lands then fighting the population as an occupying force.

See, I've still got my freedom to disagree without being called a traitor. You should try it sometimes, you might find it rather liberating! LOL!!!

TonyRoma,

While I applaud your courtesy in providing the link to the Dem platform, it still does not answer my questions about specifics. It is very easy to say you are going to do something, but what about the details? How do they plan to do all of these things? Specifically, national security? I can figure out most of the rest of their plans from the general Socialist lean of the party.
Take from those that have and give to those that won't bother.

I am sorry for you Tony, if that is the sort of country you want. I can't say I agree wholeheartedly with the Republican view either. We need more options in national parties.

As for your rant about the supposed "freedoms" provided by Dems, what about my freedom from politically correct speech? The freedom from having my hard earned money seized from me by the government? The freedom from being a victim of crime because of the bleeding heart lib stance towards criminals of all stripes. Even child molesters and killers. While I agree that Repubs aren't great promoters of freedom, neither are the Dems.

WE NEED MORE CHOICES!!!!