Maybe they can neuter him as well. Boys across America would sleep better.

I had not previously heard of a death-of-career conversion to alcoholism.

"I had not previously heard of a death-of-career conversion to alcoholism."

Posted by john47 at 2006-10-02 04:07 PM

Joe McCarthy's career was cut short by alcoholism. He drank himself to death.

It's a good tactic. Being a drunk is alot more acceptable than being a pedophile or a sexual harrasser or whatever this guy really is.

YEAH!
Why would he do that? According to the latest repug excuse --- it's the 16 year old "beasts" that took advantage of this 52 year old ------ waste of water!

"Matt Drudge blames the kids for Predatorgate: They are 16 and 17 year old beasts
By: John Amato

Here comes Matt "The Eggman" Drudge to (Mr. Predatorgate) Mark Foley's defense. He uses that age old "attack the messenger" conservative technique-only in a creepier way. He says the congressional pages are just as responsible because of Youtube and pop culture and how dare they egg him on like that. They are just 16 and 17 year old beasts after all and not innocent little babies who are engaged in a conspiracy against poor, old Foley. What kind of beast does that make the 52 year old Foley?

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"It's the demon rum what done me wrong, but now I've found Jayzuzz, my soul is washed pure and I needs to be forgiven."
Foley, within the next 30 days.

"Praise Jayzuzz, you're a new man worthy of being a Republican representative".
Hastert, et al, within the following 24 hours.

Like a bunch of saps Americans will sort of fall for this "rehab" stunt.
Everytime some famous fuck steps on his dick he simply enters rehab or goes on Oprah and 75% of the country forgets what a piece of shit the person was.

Kennedy, McGreevey, Foley...If your name ends in a "y" you are more than likely a dickbag.

Sully: So you are already buying "it was the booze that made me do it" deflection???

Give me a break, the guy was an out & out pedo and was covered up by the RNC.
More will come out, and then this will be seen as the move of desperation it is.

"If your name ends in a "y" you are more than likely a dickbag."
Posted by 101Chairborne

Cheney?

Like a bunch of saps Americans will sort of fall for this "rehab" stunt.
Posted by 101Chairborne at 2006-10-02 04:23 PM

YEAH! Just like raising the terror alert or magically capturing the Al Qieda number 2 five or six times!

Rehab!?!?!? WTF!!!!

He was "Grooming a minor for sex" that is a felony for anyone except republicans these days. Why isn't he in jail awaiting trial? I guess child rape isn't crime to the "family values" party.

O'Reilly?

Hannity?

They should water board Speaker Dennis Hastert and any other republican who may have prior knowledge of Representative Foley's activity to extract the truth of the Congressman's subversive behavior.

First I heard of the congressman having an alcohol problem. I thought he was only a suspected pedophile.
When it rains,,,it pours.

Danforth,
Yes, yes, and especially yes.

Hillary as well.

Glenn Beck does a segment called "The real story behind the story" (or something close).
He did one on McGreevey's Oprah appearance. Basically the "real" story isn't that he came out of the closet because he was "brave". It's because he got caught, yet people spin it to be something honorable.
He endangered his wife and kids through banging strange men at truckstops and parking lots...Somehow his Oprah appearance makes him less of a scumbag?
Mel Gibson goes on a anti-jew tirade, says he's sorry and goes to rehab...

Did Marv Albert go to rehab after biting that broad while wearing women's clothing?
How about Pat Obrien? That dude went to rehab too...

After my 3rd dump I'm going to rehab and maybe Rcade will forgive me and let me come back before 10 days are up?

YEAH!

So where is Falwell, Robertson and Dobson on this? Didn't Jesus call yet?

Oh, that's right. This doesn't score political points for their cause so Jesus must be OK with it.

Red: Too early for the Jayzuzz bailout. Expect it within a couple of days of the elections. Foley's district will get plastered by Pat Robertson saying "Jesus told me to tell you if you don't vote for Foley, Foley'll molest your son or grandson."

Just a little troubling that he chose the Boys Club AA Treatment over the Betty Ford Clinic.

"Basically the "real" story isn't that he came out of the closet because he was "brave". It's because he got caught, yet people spin it to be something honorable."

I agree, and I see it again with this Foley mess. The leadership was enabling this situation, and wouldn't have lifted a finger for the pages, except the news was breaking. Now it's a mawkish rush to fabricate the least damaging tale, and every statement which must be revised afterward compounds the embarrassment.

Apparently the republican leadership is absolutely denying any knowledge of this including Hastert and Boehner. Pretty risky if they are full of shit.

I wouldn't say "denying any knowledge"...

"In his letter to the attorney general, Hastert defended his handling of the matter, noting that after learning of Foley's 2005 e-mails to a male former page, Shimkus and the House clerk confronted Foley, demanded he stop contacting the page..."

They should water board Speaker Dennis Hastert and any other republican who may have prior knowledge of Representative Foley's activity to extract the truth of the Congressman's subversive behavior.

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sure why not?

and they will have to look back three years to see e mails that have been 'hidden' and just now made public....right before this election and the end of the term.........who had them and why did they sit on them....this is a non partisan call...where ever the chips fall, let them fall.

leadereship = leadership

Did anyone hear Tony Snow trying to brush this off as "naughty emails"

He needs a waterboarding too, and if he has a teenage son, he should be made to go on a campout with Foley.

He will find Jesus in re-hab, no doubt, and pray a lot and, oh, maybe a repressed memory of being abused as a child might surface.

but what hypocracy from the left and here are the three I am referring to...


1) where is that famous liberal sense of compassion and 'diverrsity' for other lifestyles?

2) barney frank.....had a male prostitution ring out of his house, and dont even try and tell us that he didnt know about it. if you had one or a drug ring out of your house, you wouldnt know about it?

3)..the most telling.....in 1983 a rep named jerry studds, I think his name was...was accused of having sex with a 17 year old page. the dem majority dismissed it because they called the pages..."unreliable witnesses" and even though he was censored, he recieved THREE STANDING OVATIONS from the dems in the house.........

and if you think that I believe that these instances lets this foley pervert off the hook, then you dont know what you are talking about. cut off his nuts and hang them around his neck, but then all you would accuse me of is being a homophobe.


hypocracy......its all the dems have left.

I think that is the 99th time BLT has mis-spelled hypocrisy. (Maybe he is a hypocrate).

1) where is that famous liberal sense of compassion and 'diverrsity' for other lifestyles?


I don't believe the left has compassion for pedophiles asswipe.
See in your race to try and make a point all you did was expose the fact that you are a dickbag.

BL2,
Well I was 7 in '83, so it's a bit unfair to hold all of us accountable for what happened 23 years ago. And the world's changed a lot since then.
What we're talking about now is what happened this year.

And you should also realize that the '94 Republican Revolution happened in large part because of shit like that.

So the Dems did get taken to the woodshed for their abuses during their time in the Majority.
Now it's the GOP's turn.

He will find Jesus in re-hab, no doubt, and pray a lot and, oh, maybe a repressed memory of being abused as a child might surface.

Posted by sitdown at 2006-10-02 05:06 PM


you can take that to the bank!

norm.......I am not saying that anyone is responsible for this except that the dems refuse to acknowledge history prior to 2000 and now that this has come out now, they forget all about cases like this where they reacted much worse than hastert and the others are now.....
and I have to say it again since the posters here cant seem to read correctly...
I am not in any way defending this pervert. I am pointing out the 'double standard' of the left and people here.

Dude 1983 So 2 Wrongs Make A Right And Why you so Hell Bent On This Foley Dude ?

Everyone Says He Is Wrong, But You Have Be Non-Stop Trying To Compare Him To Some DEm, Like It Is Going To OK ?

When Cynthia McKinney Hit That Cop No One Defended Her Her At All Period !!

So Please Why Are You Making Excuses For This Bum ?

-Sarge

Alcohol is the least of his problems right now.

So Please Why Are You Making Excuses For This Bum ?

-Sarge

Posted by Sarge

Sarge, the issue is with the leadership and the action/inaction taken...not specifically with Foley.

What's wrong...he couldn't resist a nice young vintage??

OH...BAM!! BOOM!!

No, the issue is he is a pedophile, people knew he was a pedophile and they covered it up, putting more kids at risk.

Kennedy, McGreevey, Foley...If your name ends in a "y" you are more than likely a dickbag.

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Cheney??

This guy is obviously sick and needs to be taken off the streets.

Briwo,

He's only a pedophile if he targeted kids who were below the legal age of consent.

He doesn't appear to have done so here.


Nevertheless, he's toast and what he did was still illegal according to a source provided by Sarvis.

Sarge,

So Lieberman spoke out against Clinton. How many other Dems did so?


And, what does the Democrat party think of Lieberman?

Hint: he was voted out in the primary.

"I am not in any way defending this pervert. I am pointing out the 'double standard' of the left and people here."

Translation: When it's a miscreant Democrat, I'll point out how awful Democrats are. When it's a miscreant Republican, I'll point out how awful Democrats are.

Danforth,

IMO there is nothing wrong with pointing out double standards and hypocrisy.

I don't see Eberly defending this clown.

I don't see Eberly defending this clown.

Posted by JeffJ

I think Danforth is referring to BL2 but his point is the same as mine. Specifically referring to Studds and the support he received from the leadership of the democratic party when he went through something similar.

JeffJ: So it's OK for a Congressman to target a 16 yr old boy and you don't think that's pedophelia?

There's some States where the old age of consetn goes back to 12 or 13, would you consider that OK?

What you Rethugs will excuse in the name of retaining political power is beyond the pale.

Oh, Jeff, That's a fine legal distinction regarding age of consent.

I don't think the Rep leadership would be very bright to even suggest it as a defence.

On the other hand, they seem fine calling the email correspondence "naughty".

"when he went through something similar"

Impossible. The law Foley broke didn't exist then. Also, that was consenting adults. Boortz was trying the same deflection this morning.

Commonsense,

Great joke...just about an hour, eight minutes late!

Briwo,

I am not excusing anything.

I am only pointing out that charges of pedophilia aren't technically accurate in this particular case. That is all.

DeLay
Lay
Georgy Porgy?

"Also, that was consenting adults. "

Data is correct, yet again.


"Studds, however, stood by the facts of the case and refused to apologize and even turned his back and ignored the censure being read to him.

He called a press conference with the former page, in which both stated that they were consenting adults at the time of the relationship.

The age of consent was and remains 17 in Washington DC. He stated that this was a private adult relationship, no laws had been broken, and therefore not the business of others to censure them for their private relationship. The people of Massachusetts agreed and he continued to be reelected until his retirement in 1996.[1]"

From Wikipedia:

In contrast to the generally accepted medical definition, the term pedophile is also used colloquially to denote significantly older adults who are sexually attracted to adolescents below the local age of consent[1], as well as those who have sexually abused a child.

"They should water board Speaker Dennis Hastert "

Either that's just hyperbole that's not meant or it's stupid. But I'm being redundant.

Corky,

What is up with These Guys ?


-Sarge

C'mon JeffJ, we usually don't agree but at least I respected you, until now.

Jeff

We get it.

Legally you may be correct.

You are still trying to unpaint yourself out of The Stupid Corner.

So Please Why Are You Making Excuses For This Bum ?

-Sarge

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sarge...I would never make excuses for this pervert or defend him. It is indefensible....as others have said....the dems reacted in the opposite manner when it happened to one of thier own....and yes he was censored and he recieved standing ovations for his 'courage'..........

I have not read ONE SINGLE line of defense or excuse for this sorry excuse for a man from anyone on the right and to say that is just not right.
here, as in posts about BJ clinton, we are not talking about him, but the democratic reaction........


and in an unrelated story,I just heard the report about the amish children.......damn it to hell......dont try to tell me there isnt evil in this world............how sad...how very, very sad.

"Danforth, IMO there is nothing wrong with pointing out double standards and hypocrisy. "
Posted by JeffJ

You're right. My point is when it's William Jefferson and his $90,000 in cold cash, the last thing on earth done by the Republicans is remind folks Duke Cunningham, at more than 20 times that amount makes this guy look like a piker.

When Dems are wrong, he says Dems are wrong. When Republicans are wrong, he says, well, Dems are wrong, too.

Isn't that the definition of deflection?

Cork,

In this particular case, the age of consent is 16.


If you are going to defend Studds on the age of consent, shouldn't the same standard apply to Foley.

"I am only pointing out that charges of pedophilia aren't technically accurate in this particular case. That is all."

Facts? What facts? We don't need no stinkin' facts. What's gotten in you, Jeff? Obviously Foley should be lynched. We don't need to wait for an indictment that may never come.

I heard the opposite about the male page. That it was not consentual. Will have to read the whole story.....but again look at the reaction. newt wanted them ousted just as he is for ousting foley according to interview just an hour or so ago. he also wants to know who knew what and when just as hastert does. I heard more than one person say that the original problems were not to the extent that they are now and let me ask all of you.
was there sex? did this pervert get what he wanted........and would that make a differnce if there wasnt sex?
what is the opinion here because I dont know or even have an opinion on it except that even if there wasnt sex, he still has no place in congress...


and still havent heard a rebuttal about good ole barney and the 'sexcapades' of his little buddy out of thier house.

Folks,

Don't misunderstand me here.

What Foley did was despicable.
He deserves everything he gets and then some.


I was only pointing out that the term 'pedophile' is probably inaccurate from a technical standpoint. I was also pointing out what appears to be an egregious double standard in regards to Studds.

Neither of those 2 points alters the fact that I am thoroughly disgusted by Foley's actions.

BL2,

The Issue Is He Was Re-Elected By His State Every Year That Is By "The People He Represents" From His State.

So They Approved Of Him And I Guess His Page Boyfriend Did Also.

He Was Given Due Processes And Action Was Taken Against Him, And That Is The Only Point !!

So Going All The Way Back To 1983 To A Case That A Guy Was Censured And Re-Elected By is Constitutes Proves What ?

-Sarge

I believe the age of consent only applies to Normal Relations between Normal Folks IE not in a Boss/Employee or a Teacher/Student Relationship. For those do believe the age of consent is 18.

Larry

"I was only pointing out that the term 'pedophile' is probably inaccurate from a technical standpoint. I was also pointing out what appears to be an egregious double standard in regards to Studds."

Now point out who is sticking up for Studds. You aren't exposing any double standard, simply making an excuse. In the usual neo-con fashion, you seem to be deflecting with the all-too-common, someone somewhere did something worse.

Now was this Studds, who I never heard of, known for his comments about the sex lives of others or being on a committee to prevent the very things that he did?

and just heard another report that there were only these messages. I am asking this for the sake of argument only....if there was no sex or action, then what crime did he commit?
what did he do besides talk dirty or whatever the hell it was....and please dont answer with some bullshit about me defending him. I am just asking a question to further the debate so dont try to make something out of it....anyone......

"I was also pointing out what appears to be an egregious double standard in regards to Studds."

Then this would be a wonderful time for the "party of responsibility" to show us the higher moral ground, wouldn't it?

Oh, wait...that's right, they were covering for him, weren't they?

Both These Guys Pleaded Guilty And Both Were Censured !!!

-Sarge


It would be interesting to compare and contrast public statements regarding those two cases and what is being said now. I don't imagine the President's press secretary called it "naughty" behavior.

Wrong. Age of consent is the age of consent. Doesn't matter what the formal relationship was between the two people.

"and just heard another report that there were only these messages. I am asking this for the sake of argument only....if there was no sex or action, then what crime did he commit?"

LOL. Now if you don't actually touch a child, nothing has really happened. Phone sex or cyber sex are all fine, just don't touch. Yet another amazing point of view from the people who will defend just about anything as long as an R follows their name.

Surely BL2 would have no problem with a 50 year old having cybersex with one of his children, as long as the belong to the correct political party.

oh also sarge and others......I can tell you..not from personal experience....that even if a school student is 17 or 18, that doesnt make one bit of difference....parents let thier children go there and to school with the understanding that they wont become the targets of sexual predators......and it just doesnt matter.....I had a punk tell me that since he was 18 that he could drink on a band trip one time and the principal let him know real quick that his age had nothing to do with it.....there are rules about this as well........

BUT If there was no sex...what was the crime?


and as always I have to write a disclaimer.......I am only asking this for the sake of debate.......

"BUT If there was no sex...what was the crime?"


Sigh

Read the law Foley was instrumental in passing.

We drank on every band trip and never got caught.

dontgetit....thanks for letting us know that your moniker is the right one......


your comment was uncalled for....so take a hike...preferable a long one on a short pier.........ha ha......

had to go to the vaults for that one...

OK JeffJ: How about we just call him a sick pervert and put him in prison, in General Population of course.....

We drank on every band trip and never got caught.

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and I would have been smiling the whole time I told you to get the hell out of my room..........if I hadnt had kicked you out sooner.......LOL

"your comment was uncalled for...."

Yet, you couldn't really comment on it, could you?

"and I would have been smiling the whole time"

Interesting comments when discussing someone being investigated for being a possible pedophile.

Briwo,

I am cool with that.


Dontgetit,

You are a hack.

"Dontgetit,

You are a hack."

Such incredible wit. For an encore, he will pee himself.

Now Now

First Trombones are hard to find.
Song of India just like Dorsey.
And I could march, being an Army Brat.

AAAA First division; marching, orchestra and stage band.

BTW
I still have a Bach Stradivarius.

Dontgetit,

Not only are you a hack, your jokes are not funny.



I have never seen you proffer an argument of your own or contribute to a discussion in a meaningful fashion.

All I've ever observed out of you is trolling around, cherry pick others posts and frequently assign positions to others that they haven't taken.

That's hackery to the nth degree.

"I have never seen you proffer an argument of your own or contribute to a discussion in a meaningful fashion.

All I've ever observed out of you is trolling around, cherry pick others posts and frequently assign positions to others that they haven't taken.

That's hackery to the nth degree"

No, that would be whining on your part. I just responded to your post regarding the double standard. Rather than address it, you have resorted to name-calling and excuses. This is clearly because you couldn't come up with anything to say so like most children, you name-call.

Whine on.

Dontgetit = Justsomeguy Jr.

Newt's first wife was his high school math teacher, IIRC.

"Dontgetit = Justsomeguy Jr"

And a little more whining for good measure.

I just responded to your post regarding the double standard. Rather than address it

I DID address it.

You then took the position (with BL2) that ANY talk regarding a double standard means that we are defending this asshole.


Let me ask you this:

Does questioning the choice to go to war in Iraq make that person Saddam's butt-buddy?

Larry,

I think what you are speaking to is a 'position of power' scenario.

Example: A boss can have completely consensual sex with a subordinate, but can still be guilty of sexual harassment according to the law.

"Dontgetit = Justsomeguy Jr"

And a little more whining for good measure.


It's not 'whining' it's 'insulting'.

I levied an insult. I didn't whine.

"Let me ask you this:

Does questioning the choice to go to war in Iraq make that person Saddam's butt-buddy?"

It is hardly the same thing. BL2 and you, are basically stating that since nothing occurred, no crime was commited. Apparently, the FBI is not aware of this logic.

The question that you asked has nothing to do with your "argument" and is quite frankly stupid.

I think what you are speaking to is a 'position of power' scenario.

Example: A boss can have completely consensual sex with a subordinate, but can still be guilty of sexual harassment according to the law.

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Yes but they can not have consentual sex with a subordinate because tyhe age of consent does NOT apply to those in a position of Power IE a Teacher a Boss etc etc etc. It would still be declared illegal sex acts upon the subordinate.

Larry

"OK JeffJ: How about we just call him a sick pervert and put him in prison, in General Population of course....."

Is that a fair punishment if he didn't physically touch anyone? Life imprisonment and daily beatings and gang rapes?

The question that you asked has nothing to do with your "argument" and is quite frankly stupid.

Sure it does.

You essentially stated that pointing out hypocrisy on the part of the Democrats means that individual defends Foley. That is a fallacious argument - you assign a position that hasn't been taken. My question was an analogy - being critical of the 'wisdom' behind Iraq does not make one a Saddam-supporter. Yet, I have seen many individuals on this site be called 'Saddam's butt-buddy' based solely on their criticism of this war. Neither I, nor BL2 offered ANY defense of Foley, yet you assigned that position.
That is hackery.

BL2 and you, are basically stating that since nothing occurred, no crime was commited. Apparently, the FBI is not aware of this logic.


Hmmmm.......


He's only a pedophile if he targeted kids who were below the legal age of consent.

He doesn't appear to have done so here.


Nevertheless, he's toast and what he did was still illegal according to a source provided by Sarvis.

Posted by JeffJ at 2006-10-02 05:41 PM | Reply |


Perhaps you missed this.

"because tyhe age of consent does NOT apply "

That was actually my point, Larry, which I didn't make clear. There's not a different age of consent in those situations, but it doesn't apply at all.

The question that you asked has nothing to do with your "argument" and is quite frankly stupid.

Sure it does.

You essentially stated that pointing out hypocrisy on the part of the Democrats means that individual defends Foley. That is a fallacious argument - you assign a position that hasn't been taken. My question was an analogy - being critical of the 'wisdom' behind Iraq does not make one a Saddam-supporter. Yet, I have seen many individuals on this site be called 'Saddam's butt-buddy' based solely on their criticism of this war. Neither I, nor BL2 offered ANY defense of Foley, yet you assigned that position.
That is hackery.

BL2 and you, are basically stating that since nothing occurred, no crime was commited. Apparently, the FBI is not aware of this logic.


Hmmmm.......


He's only a pedophile if he targeted kids who were below the legal age of consent.

He doesn't appear to have done so here.


Nevertheless, he's toast and what he did was still illegal according to a source provided by Sarvis.

Posted by JeffJ at 2006-10-02 05:41 PM | Reply |


Perhaps you missed this.

"A boss can have completely consensual sex with a subordinate"

True

But it only proves they are both fools, unless it's True Love.

"Is that a fair punishment if he didn't physically touch anyone?"

You do not have to physically touch a minor to be found guily of a sexual crime. As an example, if a person is caught in a sting operation based on an on-line conversation with a minor, they are arrested prior to ever touching the minor. It is usually the on-line conversation that gets them into trouble as it shows intent.

You do not have to physically touch a minor to be found guily of a sexual crime. As an example, if a person is caught in a sting operation based on an on-line conversation with a minor, they are arrested prior to ever touching the minor. It is usually the on-line conversation that gets them into trouble as it shows intent.

Posted by dontgetit at 2006-10-02 07:02 PM | Reply |


Solid point.

Kudos and adieu.

"Is that a fair punishment if he didn't physically touch anyone?"

He's part of the committee that wrote the law he broke, isn't he?




A True Conservative would be aghast at such government micromanagement.

People are arrested and jailed all the time for trading emails with cops and showing up to have sex with what they thought were kids.

Kiddy porn can include cartoons.



This is insane.

"Sure it does.

You essentially stated that pointing out hypocrisy on the part of the Democrats means that individual defends Foley"

No, I said that trying to state that someone in the past did the same thing, has nothing to do with the issue today, regardless of what party they belong to. You are the one making it partisan.

"That is a fallacious argument - you assign a position that hasn't been taken."

You just stated it again. I am not saying that you are making excuses for him, but rather that you are trying to make it a partisan issue and using the excuse that someone else did the same thing once. To add to that, you then assume that the person was aware of the other person that you are talking about and what they thought of that issue. You are the one assigning positions.

"My question was an analogy - being critical of the 'wisdom' behind Iraq does not make one a Saddam-supporter"

It is still stupid and has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.

"Neither I, nor BL2 offered ANY defense of Foley, yet you assigned that position.
That is hackery"

I didn't say that you were defending him. I said that you were making excuses because of the R after his name. That is hackery.

Let's review, BL2's point is that no crime was committed if he didn't touch anyone, yet has on-line conversations with a minor of a sexual nature.. Your point is that a double standard exists based on your assumptions to which party a person belongs.

And the hole just keeps on getting bigger.

Copies of the icky emails ABC published last week have been in the hands of the FBI since July, according to a group which obtained the emails months ago. So why does it sound as if the bureau's probe of their sender, disgraced former Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL), is just beginning?

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, the D.C.-based watchdog group obtained the emails in July, and shortly thereafter provided copies to the feds -- on July 21, according a press release from the organization.

The group has denied being ABC's source for the emails.

"FBI to Examine Foley's E-Mails," the Washington Post headline reads this morning. "A law enforcement official who requested anonymity so he could discuss an ongoing case said the probe will be handled by the FBI's Cyber Division," the paper notes -- emphasis mine.

That said, the FBI won't confirm the date their inquiry began. Spokesman Steve Kodak would say only that the FBI is "conducting an assessment to determine if there's been any violation of federal law."

CREW is calling for a separate inquiry, by the Department of Justice's Inspector General, to determine whether the FBI's actions -- or inaction -- was politically influenced.

"You do not have to physically touch a minor to be found guily of a sexual crime"

That wasn't my point. What I asked was, is it a fair punishment? Specifically, being housed with the general population in prison for life--with all that entails?

It is hardly the same thing. BL2 and you, are basically stating that since nothing occurred, no crime was commited. Apparently, the FBI is not aware of this logic.

The question that you asked has nothing to do with your "argument" and is quite frankly stupid.

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It seems to me that we are getting confused here and talking across the lines if you will. people are making statements about one thing while the reBUTTER.....sorry about the PUNishment......is talking about something else............


I think I remember hearing that the fbi is looking into it as regarding the alleged coverup......as in who knew what and when and someone on the radio has even brought up something about a privacy issue with the page, maybe.......
anyone else heard this in this way????????

Is that a fair punishment if he didn't physically touch anyone? Life imprisonment and daily beatings and gang rapes?

Posted by Bill_OReilly at 2006-10-02 06:58 PM


I'd ahve to say Yes. W don't know there aren't other pages he did touch, AND if this kid had said OK, he would have been allover his cock like white on rice.

BRIWO
He was one of the authors of the law he broke.

Try again.

"W don't know there aren't other pages he did touch"

Well, in this country, we don't sentence people based on speculation about what we "don't know".

I am only pointing out that charges of pedophilia aren't technically accurate in this particular case. That is all.

Hooey! The charges of pdophilia are extremely accurate and match every psych. profile of pedophiles.

Get out from under the stupid rock covering you and read alittle about this subject before posting.

This issue is huge and if they don't jail this guy they have done an injustice to all the people who have been jailed for the exact same.

Supporting this or deluding the issue here for protection of ones party show very clear how morally corrupt and ethically bankrupt the right seemed to be.

Can sit and bitch for 5 fucking years about a Legal blow Job Clinton got and now try to skate out of this. Now if this is not of low character I don't know what can be.

Please, this was a Congressman who was hitting on a 16 yr old boy and all you guys can do is make excuses for him?

I'm starting to wonder about some of you.

And Bill, you are wrong about who we do and don't sentence or lock up. You would have been right up until September 28,2006, but now Habeus Corpus is gone and it's a free for all. The old rules don't apply anymore.

Great joke...just about an hour, eight minutes late!

Posted by Danforth at 2006-10-02 05:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Damn...I didn't get a chance to read most of the posts. A day late and a dollar short.

Thank god SOMEone found another Foley story to post. What's this, #8 for today? Please cease the ex-foleyhating.

"but now Habeus Corpus is gone and it's a free for all."

Really? I hadn't heard that.

Thank god SOMEone found another Foley story to post. What's this, #8 for today? Please cease the ex-foleyhating.

Cookfish? I'm starting to warm up to you. What's your IM id?

" Please, this was a Congressman who was hitting on a 16 yr old boy and all you guys can do is make excuses for him?"

Who is doing that? Just because some people think you ought to wait for at least an indictment before forming a lynch mob doesn't mean they excuse his behavior.

I'm a professional beer drinker -- well, I've got to taste it before I write about it, don't I? It's research for my next article!

I just want to observe that all the folks who hide behind "a drinking problem" when faced with a revelation of disreputable actions in other arenas are giving alcohol a bad name.

And, yes, some people do have difficulty handling the stuff -- I once dated a woman whose family tree had several alcoholic branches so she didn't touch it as a precaution -- and I don't write this to deny or denigrate that it can be a problem and I stress my admiration for the people who've realized that, faced that and overcome it.

But there do seem to be some (on both sides of the aisle, I say to the more-partisan-posters) who claim the sudden realization of a problem with alcohol as an excuse or a shield rather than having to face the consequences of their actions.

I firmly believe that Foley is using "alcoholism" as an excuse.

It seems to be the excuse of choice lately for people who find themselves to have done inexcusable things, in order to try and excuse them.

"Sully: So you are already buying "it was the booze that made me do it" deflection???"

Huh? I called it a tactic. He's trying to portray himself as a drunk rather than a pervert. If you're him it is worth a shot......

I think Mel Gibson has a better chance of saying that drunk he swaggers and says crazy stuff then Foley that drunk, and thus not knowing where hs is or what he is doing apparently, he carefully signs on and finds the e-mail addresses of pages and types to them. Again all the while completely out of his mind and not in control etc.

Also he is covering himself in the grave as he has the lawyer say he never had actual relationships with pages, just wrote to them and is now 52 and that has always been enough for him, just that far.

ABC will find someone who slept with him and a little blue dress so to speak. Then he will backtrack saying they were old enough at the time and others will say no they were still pages and all the while he drags this out slowing letting bombshell after bombshell remind the voters about that the GOP has problems.

If he just came clean this might go away sooner for everyone involved. This way it never ends as long as ABC has a large checkbook and keeps advertising it.

Too bad Fox passed on the story as is reported earlier this year in deference to the fact Foley might be innocent and they did not want to smear a good man etc. (Drudgereport): Because this has Geraldo all over it and they could have brought him back to redeem him for leaking where our troops were etc.

Alcohol rehab....the last refuge of the insane, incompetent, insufferable, or repugnant....FOLEY - all of the above

MotherFrocker

he checks into a ETOH clinic.. WHY?


He is addicted to underage penis not the evil "snake liquor"

Foley is either a creepy creep or maybe he thinks he's a priest.Oops. I repeat myself. Maybe he can petition Hastert to change his parish.This way the GOP can sweep it under the rug. If the church can get away with it, it's worth a try.

Foley is either a creepy creep or maybe he thinks he's a priest.Oops. I repeat myself. Maybe he can petition Hastert to change his parish.This way the GOP can sweep it under the rug. If the church can get away with it, it's worth a try.

If by alcoholic he means "chasing teen ass" then, yes, I think he has a problem.

well...it is just this simple.....the issue is no longer about foley because if it was it would be just about over....he has quit and is disgraced and I hope that he and T.O. are never heard from again....fat chance on the later......


what this has become is really easy to see......

a strategic release of information harmful to republicans to use in and during the election........


and there is now a name that has surfaced as to possibly having this information and SITTING on it....someone named SMOOT......anyone else hear that name brought up?



and yes according to my man rush...there will be another 'relavation' this friday at 3 pm just in time to get to the sunday shows........lets watch and see.......


and now you are released to show your blind hatred and begin with the rush insults......as if it makes even the slightest difference........

This guyt deserves an Orange Jumpsuit.

That's what any of us would be given for the exact same crime.

And yes, it is a CRIME to solicit sex from a minor.

And yes, trying to get a minor to jack off with you is "solicitation."

Sorry, repukes. Once again, you've been proven to be hypocrites.

Hurtz, donut?

no we havent as I have not read one defender of this scumbag on any site anywhere......what we are talking about now has gone beyond this loser and his CRIME......I wish that leftists here would brush up on their reading retention since it is pretty clear that we on the right think he is as big of a putz as the left does.........now the story has moved into something else...........


and thats the way it is.....today.....october 3rd......

"and now you are released to show your blind hatred"

Why do you call it "blind hatred"??? Because we dismantle your nonsense, piece by piece? Because we ask you questions and you refuse to answer?? Because we disagree with you and "your man Rus"???

There's nothing blind about anything. You are so transparent, you make it easy for all to see.

You are so out of touch with reality, I can't believe they allow you to walk the streets unattended!

"what this has become is really easy to see......

a strategic release of information harmful to republicans to use in and during the election"

LMAO! Crying foul, Hacklover??? You, the major supporter of the swiftboatliars and the fictional 911 movie that was just aired on national tv, are whining about political timing??

You have got to be kidding?

What a hypocrite!

"now the story has moved into something else"

According to who??

Those of you on the right???

I know you republicans would love for this issue to just disappear and no matter how often you all whine and cry that it's over, time to move on to something else, it's not going to happen.

Are the investigations done?? NO

Was a search warrant even issued yet? NO
Has a determination been made? NO

Then guess what, Hacklover?? It ISN'T over!!

Click your heels three times and repeat "There's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place...."

As a commentator on tv said today:

"Foley's problem isn't with `16 year old scotch, it's with 16 year old boys."

Chris:

Now he's claiming that he was molested by his clergyman.

This whole thing reeks and with each passing day, the stench becomes more and more overwhelming!

What a pathetic, disgusting attempt of deflection, Oohrah.

I expected better from you.

This is the second time now that you have insinuated that those who are not republican have no standards, no moral principals, no "family values" and frankly, I'm sick to death of those insults by you.

Your elitism, arrogance and partisanship, is so..... I can't even find the right words to express how disgusting I think that is.

Here are some examples of your republican immoral standards they set for others, but don't follow themselves. I borrowed them from Bri...I'm sure he won't mind!

"Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.

Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper was arrested for soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.

Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl.
Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.

Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano was arrested for sexually molesting a 14-year-old girl.

Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.
Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.
Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.
Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor."

"Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.
Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years later on the same charge.
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.
Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media."

"Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.
Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.
Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.
Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.
Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency. See excerpt of one prisoner's report here and his full report here"

" the party of no moral standards "

THIS is how you define anyone that isn't republican, democrats especially it seems.

Yea...your party has "moral standards"...for everyone else because it's quite obvious that they aren't expected to follow them!

You have no frickin' idea how you have pissed me off!!

Who the hell to you think you are, that you can sit in judgement and make an accusation such as the one you have done repeatedly now???

How dare you?!!

"Your elitism, arrogance and partisanship, is so....."

Did Oorah and her ego trip over their tongue once again?

OMG...Dontgetit....Oohrah went way beyond the limit!

I am so sick of republicans claiming they are the party of "family values", "moral values" when clearly, further claiming they are the only ones!

What irresponsible, hatefilled comments.

"I think we'd all be better served by giving consideration and then debate the points contained in there."

After reading your latest egotistic arrogance, I would say that you are really not the one to tell others how they are better served.

"I am so sick of republicans claiming they are the party of "family values", "moral values" when clearly, further claiming they are the only ones!

What irresponsible, hatefilled comments."

That seems to be Oorah's MO. This is an egomaniac of the highest degree who is nothing short of completely nasty. I wouldn't really pay much attention. Just laugh at people like that, it is all that they are really worth. What Oorah shows is that she has little to no self-control, yet thinks she is above one and all. That balloon deflates itself.

I called Bushlover a hypocrite because he is one. He clearly defended the swiftboaters and their "timing", he supported the airing of the fictional 911 movie and it's "timing", just to name a couple, and then proceeds to cry foul in regards to the timing of the Foley issue.

This is my last post to you Oohrah, because I'm sick of your lies, your broad statements, your elitism and your unwarranted arrogance.

What Oorah shows is that she has little to no self-control, yet thinks she is above one and all.

Is oohrah a dude or a broad? We might have another Crispee situation brewing here.

"Is oohrah a dude or a broad?:

I assumed it was a woman as I have never met a man who as interested in gossip as Oorah. Not to be sexist, but it has Bored Housewife Syndrome all over it.

This is most definately my last post to you, only to prove what a liar you are.

I read your backpeddling. It was ridiculous.

It wasn't just an innocent comment you made either. Obviously, by your latest testament of arrogance, elitism and self righteousness, it's more an attitude, a core belief.

I have an absolute right to be angry over your self righteous comments!!

"the Dems... the party of no moral standards"

And of course, if someone isn't a republican, they fall into that catagory because with republicans it's either black or white...there is no gray.

How dare you assume that all "dems" or anyone else have no moral standards!!

You expected better??? Because your arrogance and self righteousness leads you to believe that you people hold the monopoly on "moral standards", claiming o one else has them??

Unbelievable!!

"For what it's worth I don't go out attacking people."

""the Dems... the party of no moral standards""

Same person.

Oohrah,
I do not posit the rejection (what you call removal) of expressions of our faith from the publc square was not from a confrontation with other faiths. It was by and large from a confrontation of POLITICAL issues with non-religious groups and identifications.

When you say Christians stayed out of "worldly issues" you ingonre the Helms'es, the Bob Jones'es the Fallewells and Dobsons who have been openly unwelcoming to world views outside of thier values. Gays are the obvious example, but as well, anti-war movements, feminism, social justice advocates have all bumped heads with some of the most vocal prosthelytisers. And unfortunately it is consistent with human nature to recognize the negative sentiments moreso that the positive. We are not entitled to be viewed in our best light. We are RESPONSIBLE for presenting our best image.

The battleground was not over who's religious statue to put in public. It was about what the people standing in front of our religous statues were shreiking at a host of emerging interests through the 60's 0's and 80's.

If we want lesbians, and physicists, and social workers and peacnics, and public school teachers and judges to be more welcoming of our faith, then we have to undo the damage done by three or four decades of intolerance by our most vocal, and apathy by our most Christian members.

Freedom of vs. Freedom from? We have Freedom of. There is no where in this country where you will be arrested for praying. Freedom "of" doesn't mean freedom to impose. You are asking for more than legal rights. You are asking for congenial acceptance. That we will not achieve without offerring competing interests(not necessarily organizaed religions) the same.

I don't think the regression of public prayer was brought on by other faiths who felt, basically, "if we can't have a voice, then no one can."

The loud conservative Christians whom we have allowed to be our public face (and who are most adamant about offerring thier prayers in public) denied and fought agaist voice for Gays and feminists and peaceniks. From the point of view of those interest, if we would fight so hard against their voice, why would they continue to be accepting of ours?

First you say this, Oh:

The left wishes no judgement and no standards in society, except those each individual feels is right for him at this time. So, on the one hand the Left courts what many Righties would call immorality, the Left has strategically immunized itself from critizism. Clear as mud?

While no one defends child porn, child predators or the like if that's truly what he did, the charge of hypocrite could easily be turned back to the Dems... the party of no moral standards is awfully quick to pounce on immorality when it suits their purpose. Just a thought.

and then you say this:

Well, enough is enough. Christians have had it with the tearing down of institutions and ideals we hold dear and we got politically active.

That tells me two things: 1) you think all Republicans are the same--moral and Christian; and 2) you think all Democrats are the same--immoral and unChristian. You are wrong on all counts.

Actually, Oohrah, your comments tell me three things: 3) You don't actually know any Democrats personally. If you did, you would realize most of them are not without morals and many of them are not without faith, including Christian faith.

Thank you, Gal!

Maybe if he hears it from more than one person, he'll see how self righteous, arrogant and wrong he really is.

Seems there is a difference between Republicans and Democrats these days. One party believes that morality should be imposed, controlled and legislated. The other believes that it is expressed from within.

Both parties (only discussing dem/rep) have people that do not exhibit the best of humankind - but one wraps itself in the banner of morality, as they do patriotism. The other understands that true morality and patriotism is not what's displayed, but that which comes from one's heart. There is no need to impose morality when one is secure in their own moral condition.

It is in the opposite of that we find Foley's folly. A man that championed the very causes he himself was challenged by, deep within, in the conflict in his own soul.

OohRah has it ever occured to You there are just as Many Democrat Liberals whom are Christians that do not feel the need to declare they are Christians but Let their actions speak for themselves?? I mean take the smartest people around they don't go around bragging Hey I am the smartest Man ever lived Nah You don't You know why they don't because their actyions speak louder than mere mentioning that They are the smartest of all time. Talk is cheap takes Money to buy whiskey.

Larry

Funny how it works. If nothing would have happened, Foley would not have been doing anything different.

"Foley checks into alcohol re-hab"

Foley.
He checks in
but he don't check out.
By which, Spud means that he aint really a drunk.

This is a tactic.

If this doesn't take enuff heat off look fer a religious conversion too!

Be Well.

Think Foley will have internet access at the rehab place?

"According to the law where this transgression was committed, this is NOT pedophilia."

I'd be careful with a proclamation like that.

One of the recipients of the emails, a 16yr old by all accounts, was in Florida at the time, a state whose age of consent is 18.

"I am guessing that it took you 8 minutes to pen that post. You just wasted 8 minutes of your life typing a post of zero value.

Sorry for your loss."

LOL, yet you responded.

"According to the law where this transgression was committed, this is NOT pedophilia"

What law might that be? They have not yet determined where this "transgression" was committed.

What he fails to understand is the fact that alot of states have two different age of transgressions, one for female and one for male. The male age is usually older.

I'd be careful with a proclamation like that.

One of the recipients of the emails, a 16yr old by all accounts, was in Florida at the time, a state whose age of consent is 18.

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Not to mention the age of consent does NOT apply to those persons of Authority. It is Illegal there as well until that Person is of the Legal Age of Maturity 18 someplaces 21.

Larry

According to the law where this transgression was committed, this is NOT pedophilia. Creepy, disgusting and certainly deserving of losing his seat in the house; but not pedophilia. Also, from a psychological standpoint, pedophilia generally applies to significantly older adults having sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. Very few 16 year olds haven't reached puberty - I was already hung like a horse at 16!


I've issued no support for this guy whatsoever. If you actually took the time to read my posts that would be self-evident. However, I never put it past you to assign an argument that was never proferred - it's one of your favorite Drudge pastimes (along with misspelling big words).

All in the same post even, and then throw in some misspelling as if that has anything to do with anything.

I am sorry however that I included the general reflections of all reporighties in the post to you, that was not my intent. However, you seem to think you know the psych. profiles and tried to deminish my post with hyperbole, please tell us what you learned.

Florida Statutes

794.05 Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.--

(1) A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose.

(2) The provisions of this section do not apply to a person 16 or 17 years of age who has had the disabilities of nonage removed under chapter 743.

(3) The victim's prior sexual conduct is not a relevant issue in a prosecution under this section.

(4) If an offense under this section directly results in the victim giving birth to a child, paternity of that child shall be established as described in chapter 742. If it is determined that the offender is the father of the child, the offender must pay child support pursuant to the child support guidelines described in chapter 61.


Larry

"As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose."

Now that is some odd wording.

Dontgetit this is the one I DO NOT Get.

sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose."

Ummmmmmm is there some Medical purpose for sexual relations ?? I can just see it now some old geezer around 95 is laying in the Hospital and some Nurse comes by and DIrects His Wife to perform Oral upon Her Husband and declaring that it will make the medicine go down better. I can see it now the Old man going well Nurse that is mighty dandy of You but the ole rascle down there has lost all of it's startch so a BJ would do me no good and You would have to clean up the slobber. I just do not get that one do You Dontgetit??

Larry

Larry is right on this. *GASP* *CHOKE*

Ok... got that out of my system. It is a rare occurance that we agree Larry. Heh heh

Glad Foley is gone. His actions were despicable. I don't think alcoholism had anything to do with it. I hope he goes to jail for a long time.

Characteristics of a Pedophile :
Often the pedophile is male and over 30 years of age.
Single or with few friends in his age group.
If married, the relationship is more "companion" based with no sexual relations.
He is often vague about time gaps in employment which may indicate a loss in employment for questionable reasons or possible past incarceration.

Pedophiles Like Child-like Activities:
He is often fascinated with children and child activities appearing to prefer those activities to adult oriented activities.
He will often refer to children in pure or angelic terms using descriptives like innocent, heavenly, divine, pure, and other words that describe children but seem inappropriate and exaggerated.
He has hobbies that are child-like such as collecting popular expensive toys, keeping reptiles or exotic pets, or building plane and car models.

Pedophiles Often Prefer Children Close to Puberty:
Pedophiles often have a specific age of child they target. Some prefer younger children, some older.
Often his environment or a special room will be decorated in child-like decor and will appeal to the age and sex of the child he is trying to entice.
Many pedophiles often prefer children close to puberty who are sexually inexperienced, but curious about sex.

Geeze... doesn't that describe the majority of guys on the Retort??? Just kidding of course. I may not agree with most of you on many things, but I will give you better credit than that, at least without solid proof to the contrary.

On a serious note, that is interesting, but the danger of profiling is the cases where it doesn't fit.