meh... yawn... shrug shoulders... don't give a shit about arabic lit...

Yeah, having people who can read Arabic is not all that important to the Republifundies.

Heaven forbid anyone have the ability to read what kind of deals the Republifundie traitors are cutting with the Saudis and the Bin Ladens.

"I am not the person. The U.S. government is wasting its time. Once you have a name like Mohammad and Salama, you're from Egypt and you're under the age of 45, you're considered dangerous,"

Can't imagine why...

Hey JSG, this guy claims he's taught US troops... why isn't he just flat out working for us? We need Arabic translators in our intel services don't we? Maybe if he were working for the CIA or NSA or FBI instead of working in Frisco he wouldn't be in this mess

meh... yawn... shrug shoulders... don't give a shit about arabic lit...

Give youself a good long think.

Think.

Think.

Think. Think. Think.

Why do you think America has the difficulties she does with the other nations of the world today?

They know her by the constant barrage of her media on their televisions, radios, magazines, and movie theatres.

In turn, many Americans have little to no knowledge of even themselves let alone the rest of the world.

If America were a quarter of the world's population in one place, maybe it could afford the hubris. But she ain't. 300 million in a world of 6 billion isn't worth more than a bucket of warm piss when it comes to winning friends and influencing people.

America needs to understand the world a lot more than the world needs to understand America.

America needs to understand the world a lot more than the world needs to understand America.

Posted by MrCairo


America is the richest most powerful nation in the world... if what you say is true, the UN would be in England and we'd all be learning French.

I'm done trying to win friends in the Arabic world... they can all go screw.

Why do you think America has the difficulties she does with the other nations of the world today?

A whole host of reasons. I'm sure some think we're arrogant, others are jealous... a lot are religious nutjob psychopaths who think killing us is the best way to get their 72 virgins and a brand new Chevy Impala... Some are also just stupid.

So what's the big deal. Just walk over the border and become an illegal alien. He even might get more benefits as part of a "protected class"!

"America is the richest most powerful nation in the world."

For a very few more years at this rate.

"72 virgins and a brand new Chevy Impala."

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww

"if what you say is true, the UN would be in England and we'd all be learning French"

You can always count on Rob for profound insights on global politics.

No Data... we will be for a very long time... Well, I shouldn't definitly say richest... you never know what is going to happen, but we are going to be the most powerful for a very, very long time that is impossible to argue against.

You can always count on Rob for profound insights on global politics.

Posted by Bill_OReilly


And you to attack a poster, and offer nothing to the thread... I guess we each have our own skills huh?

"but we are going to be the most powerful for a very, very long time "

Thank you, Miss Cleo.

Hahahaha. You call your post a "contribution"? LOL.

Rob,

You rest on your laurels and remember past glories. Those came via a nation that isn't the America of today. THAT America of the past was hailed by that same Arabic world only a couple of generations ago as the greatest place on this Earth.

What changed? America was just as much a country to be envied and jealous of a couple of generations ago as it is today - if we go by your yardstick.

What changed?

As for religious nutjob psychopaths I would agree. I've yet to hear about a religious psychopath that wasn't channelling their subliminal murderous intent into spiritual "beliefs". If anything, serial and mass murderers are at least more honest about their motives.

You call your post a "contribution"? LOL.

Posted by Bill_OReilly


No, I said yours was not...

Thank you, Miss Cleo.

Which military do you see as better trained, funded and equipped than the United States, both with conventional and/or nuclear weapons in the near future?

Here's a tip... think, type, rethink, post... it will help you out greatly.

What changed?

Depends on where you are talking about.

I think a good part of Europe is upset with us because we are no longer held in check by the USSR. They liked the balance. So they try to pull us back when they have the chance. But there are also a lot of countries in Europe that are emerging as really good friends of America... the old Soviet Nations mostly.

Most Asian countries haven't really been a big fan of us for a long time. Japan is still a true ally to this day though. China hates us for our stance on Taiwan and other things...

The populations of the Middle East have been taken over by the extremists, so that is their problem. The oil rich nations' leadership love us for the money we give them.

Since Africa has little to offer America in the way of money or military allies, we don't pay much attention to them, so that's probably why they might not like us.

Australia and America are great friends.

"in the near future?"

In the "near future"? A few minutes ago it was for a "very, very long time".

You ought to figure out what you believe before posting it.

Bill... seriously... think... type... think... then post.

You said "thank you miss cleo" to my post saying America would be a superpower for long long time. So I asked you name a country that would overtake us in the near future, since you seem to think saying America will be strong for a long time to equate to phone psychic speak...

Maybe you should sit a few plays out bill?

What did you say, Rob? You're all over the map. It's hard to know what your position is. Is is that the U.S. will be the top superpower for a very, very long time or just in the near future? You are quite confused, practically incoherent. Maybe you should get more sleep.

Bill I see what you are doing... you said something really stupid and now you're trying to back out of it by making me get defensive about it. Clever, but it has failed...

Go back... read what I said... read how you replied... then I think you'll have it.

Like I said... sit the next few out... you have derailed

This
"I think a good part of Europe is upset with us because we are no longer held in check by the USSR. They liked the balance. "

I would agree with - it has much to do with Europe's Social Democrats who had a soft spot for the Soviets.

And its also true that those who knew the Soviets for what they really were see right through the soft headed Social Democrats who had the luxury (that we gave them) to bash us - you know with their freedom of speech, middle class lives and all those unimportant things thanks to the US defense umbrella.

Finally, anyone who has had any experience with Homeland Security post 9/11 - the former Dept of Immigration and Naturalization knows that you could be anyone from anywhere and get caught up in a bureaucratic nightmare. Mr Salama might be right about his name or might not be. Who knows? When you deal with that agency, its more of a crap shoot. I spent years dealing with them about my wife and some went smoothly, some of it didn't and in the end it all worked out in a way I'd never expected nor had I ever heard of it ever happening and yet - it happened to me so I don;t necessarily think it had anything to do with anything logical ...

I think a good part of Europe is upset with us because we are no longer held in check by the USSR. They liked the balance.

They sat under the constant threat of a nuclear exchange for over two generations. That wasn't balance, that was living on the knife-edge of anhilation. Europe's lack of trust for things "American" doesn't date from the fall of the Berlin wall and the ouster of Communism. It comes later on than that. Recall that Gulf I had the hearty approval of Europe - save the usual die-hard types that exist in every culture. What changed isn't there I believe.

I agree with you that there is an interesting split between "old" Europe and "new" Europe certainly. That needs examining itself and I venture to guess it has something to do with coming out of generations of totalitarianism to begin with. America can take a bow for leading them out of that. The gratitude for even a little bit of real freedom and improvement in your quality of life can be enormous.

It takes a long time to forget your liberator. "Old" Europe took much of the latter half of the 20th century to do so.

I would challenge you that the culture of the ME has been changed by extremism. It has a grip on it at the moment, but look at Germany and Japan after the tyrants were overthrown there. Imagine a United Arabia of similar circumstances. If that sounds a lot like GWB, it does. But not for the reasons he gives. We don't have the threat to our very existance that Imperial Japan and NAZI Germany posed. The best the Arab extremists can do is bomb airplanes. Nasty but not enough justification to kill 50 million as WWII had to in the end.

I would say instead that the average Arab hasn't changed from the days that America was publically lauded as the greatest nation on Earth, by them. Now, America presents herself as "our way or the highway" and the implication that anything different doesn't have the legitimacy that all things American has. I think thats what has changed. The American of our parent's generation didn't rumble around the world with that kind of arrogance. In fact it had barely thrown off the isolationism of its parent's generation.

America needs knowledge of the world to remain its leader. That means the average American has to learn. From there, the public groundswell from within would not allow the kinds of decisions and actions that follow today - where a lack of knowledge leads to the stranding of America, adrift and separated from the rest of world.

One day we all need a friend.

Rob, you don't really think I'm going to back and read all of YOUR posts, do you? They're all over the map. Which one am I supposed to believe is your real opinion, since you have so many of them?

The only point you seem to be somewhat coherent on, Rob, is that you don't think the U.S. needs friends. Now that is so totally absurd it hardly needs refutation, but MrCairo has provided more than enough.

I would say instead that the average Arab hasn't changed from the days that America was publically lauded as the greatest nation on Earth, by them

Nonsense... ever since America and Israel became basically inseperable the Arab world has hated us equally. How many polls have come out saying that some Arab country thinks we deserved 9/11? How many actually support Bin Laden? If the average Arab praises America as the greatest nation on Earth as you say, then terrorism would not be a problem today.

Rob, you don't really think I'm going to back and read all of YOUR posts, do you?

LMAO!! Okay... Bill... that's fine.

you don't think the U.S. needs friends.

I've never said any such thing.

Seriously dude... take a break. You are in a flat spin and heading out to see.

How many polls have come out saying that some Arab country thinks we deserved 9/11?

When were those polls run? I think I was comparing the image of America today with the America of two generations ago.

Again I ask, what changed?

Again I ask, what changed?

Posted by MrCairo


Um... Arab Nations went from being under the thumb of Imperialist nations like England and to some extent America, to being under the thumb of extremist religious leaders...

Maybe?

Certainly a part of it. The Arabian nationalism fueding of the 50's and 60's that broke out doomed Arabia from coming together and standing up for its citizens. When England, France, and Israel were chased out of the Suez there was generally massive support for a greater Arabia. By the time of the '67 defeat by Israel, it was evident the problem came from within. America was hardly a factor then. With her being identified with Israel thereafter I think the stage was set.

"Heaven forbid anyone have the ability to read what kind of deals the Republifundie traitors are cutting with the Saudis and the Bin Ladens."

You don't think US agreements with arab nations are available in English? Are you actually retarded?

Hey JSG, this guy claims he's taught US troops... why isn't he just flat out working for us? We need Arabic translators in our intel services don't we? Maybe if he were working for the CIA or NSA or FBI instead of working in Frisco he wouldn't be in this mess

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2006-09-13 08:56 PM

So in other words, people who are working for the US government deserve to be exempt from US laws?

Yep, typical conservative mindset.

BTW, in the America I live in, a person shouldn't be forced into working for the government.

Obviously things work differently in BushWorld.

You don't think US agreements with arab nations are available in English? Are you actually retarded?

Posted by JOE at 2006-09-13 10:29 PM

Yeah, because we know Carlyle's contracts are "US agreements".

Another non-thinking, retard conservative laywer wannabe gets smacked in the forehead by a circumstance "nobody could have predicted". Just count yourself lucky it wasn't a drunk Cheney with a loaded shotgun.

This time.

we are going to be the most powerful for a very, very long time that is impossible to argue against.

I remember when Romans were saying that in 475.

"I remember when Romans were saying that in 475."

that old?

The generation in power and coming to power in Western Europe didn't grow up with any real threat of annihilation from the Soviets.

How so? The Berlin wall fell in 1989. I'd grant you that the Soviets weren't much for pushing the button after that. Today's Western European leaders date to growing up in the 50's and 60's however. There was plenty to worry about the button being pushed during that period.

You are quite correct about totalitarian Arab regimes preventing a united (and peaceful) Arabia. I especially agree that the general Arab public is subjected to a barrage of propaganda that makes ours pale by comparison.

Excellent link. It is an interesting insight into some unusual societal issues that the west has resolved with less intervention into one's personal life.

Why isnt he angry at those with his name who are bombing and killing and beheading? He certainly hasnt made any comment about them...

"hey, uh...guy with my name...please stop killing people, mr fanatic"

Very effective.

There's two sides to every story. And the US Government's side of this story is all but left out. Let the US finish its background check on the guy. And if he passes he should get the VISA.

Agreed Rastanninjja,

Everyone needs to stop thinking about the other guy and start thinking about your country first..

Funny flag for Boazo's 7:35 post because there isn't an idiot flag.

JustSomeWindsock,

"Yeah, because we know Carlyle's contracts are "US agreements"."

Are Carlyle's contracts written in Arabic? Can you produce one?

If he's married to an American he is entitled to citizenship. Seems like he chose to remain a non-citizen and therefore reliant on the bureaucracy that issues and revokes Visas.

Article makes him seem like a good guy and all but his own decisions have contributed to his current situation. And it is nobody's fault that he has a very common name. Although 70 days seems like a long time to clear this up...

There IS such a thing as human decency and tolerance, and in this case it looks like neither were exercised. Our ridiculous overblown fear of any one named Abu or Muhammed needs to be replaced with understanding and compassion. We here in the West have always been proud of our position just build a big friggin wall and post a 50 cal on top that will stop em all that in this big world we can all get along even if we worship a different God.

two things seem certain to me from the article...

at the end he says that he is worried about his mental state...must be a bottum feeding scum sucking lawyer telling him to say that in prep for the lawsuit where he will now want millions of our money.

the other is.......

it states he lived in wisconsin..

'nuff said'

relax.....lisa...its a joke.......


and I have no doubt that there are plenty of people there with this name.....and I hope for him it is settled for all of us soon.....in this new world of war.....it only takes one of the bastards to get through to kill thousands......and remember some of the 9/11 bastards were thought to be 'nice guys'

"Our ridiculous overblown fear of any one named Abu or Muhammed needs to be replaced with understanding and compassion."

After 9/11, there was a huge outcry as to why the hijackers who were on our watch list were allowed into the country. So 3,000 or so families may disagree with the "ridiculousness" of the current policy. We can't have it both ways. Either you try to stop people identified as terrorists from getting in or you don't.

Yeah, it sucks that we have the Arabic equivelant of "John Smith" on our watch list. But it also sucks that some Arabic "John Smith" has taken actions that have put the name on there.

I have no problem with his re-entry being denied initially. The guy could have easily become a citizen and avoided this mess on his own. But why it takes 70 days to figure out who this guy is doesn't make sense.

sully......in the words of the late phil hartman on news radio.

YOU ARE CORRECT SIR........


we werent careful prior to 9/11 and we get blasted for it......we are carefull now and we get blasted for the occasional problem that arises with such a MASSIVE undertaking as keeping track of all the people who enter this country.........to be safe...some are going to be inconvienced....and thats better than another attack.......

Are Carlyle's contracts written in Arabic? Can you produce one?

Posted by JOE at 2006-09-14 10:32 AM

Can you?

Good Ol' "Joe the Strawman".

Why would I have to produce one? You're the one griping about the loss of an Arabic Lit. professor impacting the US's ability to translate Carlyle Group contracts with the saudis. You should be the one backing up such a stupid claim, don't ask me to prove your idiotic posts.