I'm sure at any given time 30% of the population believes the opposing parties politicians should be removed from office, forcibly if necessary. The poll is more a reflection of the contempt most of us hold GWB in than it is of any actually crimes GWB may have committed while in office.

Only 30%!?!? This is sad :(

George Bush and company are working their asses off so that they be impeach and all they can get is 30%?

Yeah right, wait until the take over and we will see about this 30%.

Bush and Cheney are the unskilled workers who need to lose their jobs.

Bush and Cheney are the unskilled workers who need to lose their jobs.

lol. Actualy 30% percent is pretty high.

It took only 33% of eligible voters to get him elected. Another 5% ...

rightnut

actually you whined when mikey moore put his films out
as did everybody else on the right

So what?

Man, that link is scary.

Brian invited his mother over for dinner. During the course of
the meal, Brian's mother couldn't help but keep noticing
how beautiful Brian's roommate, Stephanie, was.

Brian's Mom had long been suspicious of a relationship between
Brian and Stephanie, and this had only made her more
curious. Over the course of the evening, while watching the
two react, she started to wonder if there was more between Brian
and Stephanie than met the eye.

Reading his mom's thoughts, Brian volunteered, "I know what you
must be thinking, but I assure you Stephanie and I are just
roommates."

About a week later, Stephanie came to Brian saying, "Ever since
your mother came to dinner, I've been unable to find
the beautiful silver gravy ladle. You don't suppose she took it,
do you?"

Brian said, "Well, I doubt it, but I 'll send her an e-mail just
to be sure. So he sat down and wrote:



Dear Mom:


I'm not saying that you /did/ take the gravy ladle from the
house, I'm not saying that you /did not/ take the gravy ladle.
But the fact remains that one has been missing ever since you
were here for dinner.

Love, Brian



Several days later, Brian received an email back from his mother
that read:

Dear Son:
I'm not saying that you /do/ sleep with Stephanie, I'm not
saying that you /do not/ sleep with Stephanie. But the fact
remains that if Stephanie was sleeping in her own bed, she would
have found the gravy ladle by now.



Love, Mom



LESSON OF THE DAY... NEVER LIE TO YOUR MOTHER

RIGHTNUT

...Clinton calls pakistan to inform bin ladden that there are missiles coming his way , it does'nt take a rocket scientist to figure out who's side clinton and his morons were on .Let's get a petition to Disney that they do not pull the movie.

It was not Clinton who informed Pakistan they intended to send missles down on a bin Ladin sighting nor was it Madeline Albright (as it was wrongly portrayed in the ABushC docudrama). It was the U.S. ARMY who notified Pakistan.

What I can never understand is that since it's now been over a year that it's been very obvious to even the most devoted Bushlover that Bush and Cheney LIED about the reasons to go to war in Iraq, why has it taken so long to even bring up the word "impeach"? I've been writing "IMPEACH" at the end of numerous posts for months. Glad the rest of America is catching up.

"Impeachment" is in the air. The Bush Crime Family can feel it coming. I can hear them starting up those paperless trail Diebold e-voting machines even now to make sure the Republicans still have total control after November.

clinton calls pakistan to inform bin ladden that there are missiles coming his way , it does'nt take a rocket scientist to figure out who's side clinton and his morons were on .

Posted by rightnut at 2006-09-09 12:20 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Helloooooooo CLue Phone Ringing. Had the US not have notified Pakistan that the United States was about to Launch Missiles think of the consequences would be. India and Pakistan BOTH have Nukes. They both don't get along with each other. Do You want to take a risk of starting a Nuclear War because You failed to notify Pakistan. Think of it The United States Launches Missiles into Afghanistan and one misses and goes into Pakistan(It actually happened in 1998) and Pakistan launches a Nuclear retalitary strike because they would have rightly feared India of attacking them. Come on I know You can't be that Dumb.

Larry

"The poll is more a reflection of the contempt most of us hold GWB in than it is of any actually crimes GWB may have committed while in office."

I usually hold your stuff in high esteem, Mod, but think you're grasping at straws. The contempt for GWB is real, but the felonies GWB's crews have committed are even more so. When the Dems grab congress and there's a REAL chance for impeachment you'll see that 30% pick up. Deflections for Monicagate notwithstanding. herm

I would love to see GWB go down in flames. The problem is, I am not sure whether his incompetent leadership necessarily has a criminal component to it. Of course I suspect Cheney making deals for Halliburton. Of course I suspect the dramatic spike in gas prices somehow was affected by the WH to help GWB's political supporters. But they are just suspicions fueled by my deep dislike for GWB and what he has done to this country. I have yet to hear a serious criminal allegation alleged against GWB which is backed by unambiguous or nonpartisan evidence. Personally, I think the best chance for indicting him is if it can be demonstrated that GWB explicitly gave the okay for the torture of prisoners in our custody, or if there is an unambiguous smoking gun which proves GWB knew that Saddam neither had WMDs nor posed what any reasonable person would deem an "imminent threat". Ideally some tpe of war criminal charges would hold water. I just don't believe any do based on what is currently a matter of public record.

Moder8 Try starting an Illegal War for starters. That might help You.

Larry

MODER8

Unfortunately, you're probably right. Bush and Cheney have gone to lengths to insulate themselves from prosecution, including the refusal to testify under oath.

I don't relish the thought of putting the country through another impeachment process or the charges of "payback for Clinton" but I do look forward to a litany of House investigations that will expose and embarrass the neo-cons back into obscurity where they belong.

Great fodder for the Retort, too.

"Impeachment" is in the air. The Bush Crime Family can feel it coming.

Posted by CalifChris at 2006-09-09 02:04 AM | Reply

I woke up in the middle of the night to pee and get a glass of water (the great circle of life) and just for the hell of it turned on the computer to check my e-mail.

Just as I always suspected, the Lefties (who don't have jobs of course) are up all night jerking off to political porn.

LARRY:

Or perhaps lying to/misleading Congress with raw, unvetted and unsubstantiated "intelligence" from Rumsfeld's Office of Special Plans, might do for openers.

I am not sure whether his incompetent leadership necessarily has a criminal component to it.

Negligence that leads to death is criminal.

I woke up in the middle of the night to pee and get a glass of water (the great circle of life) and just for the hell of it turned on the computer to check my e-mail.

Posted by vernon at 2006-09-09 02:53 AM

And, as usual, to defecate on your keyboard.

Anyway, that figure is far too low: I call bullshit.

The same issue was raised months ago, and support was around 50%.

Interviews with a total of 1,004 adult Americans were conducted by telephone on August 30-September 2 by Opinion Research Corporation.

1004 people... and probably all Yellow Staters.

"Had the US not have notified Pakistan that the United States was about to Launch Missiles think of the consequences would be."

Of course, Larry, that would require rightnut to think, something's of which he's not capable.

Hans

Ah... I see.

Don't believe the spin. Only 30% OUTRIGHT support impeachment.

CNN Poll conducted by Opinion Research Corporation. Aug. 30-Sept. 2, 2006. N=1,004 adults nationwide. MoE 3 (for all adults).

.

"Do you think it would be good for the country or bad for the country if the Democrats in Congress were able to conduct official investigations into what the Bush Administration has done in the past six years?" Half sample, MoE +- 4.5

8/30 - 9/2/06
Good 57
Bad 41
Unsure 2

Meaning that all the "undecides" have finally made up their mind on Bush: A clear majority want an investigation.

"Next year, it is possible that the country will have a Republican president and a Democratic Congress. Do you think that is more likely to result in more cooperation between the two parties or more likely to result in more gridlock and stalemate in the government?" Half sample, MoE +- 4.5

8/30 - 9/2/06
Cooperation 27
Gridlock 70
Unsure 3

After six years of "cooperation", I think our country needs a little gridlock, as well as accountability.

"Based on what you have read or heard, do you believe that President Bush should be impeached and removed from office, or don't you feel that way?"

8/30 - 9/2/06
Should Be 30
Should Not Be 69
Unsure 1

Also, impeachment does not necessarily mean removal from office. Also... when the option is either two year of "Lame Duck President with accountability back in action", I think the better choice is to impeach Cheney, Rove, Condi, Rumfilled, etc., start throwing some asses in prison, etc.

I am not sure whether his incompetent leadership necessarily has a criminal component to it.

Negligence that leads to death is criminal.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2006-09-09 03:26 AM

Negligence is an impeachable offense, but to make an impeachment charge stick it has to also carry with it "malice" so negligence coupled with malice would do the trick. However, malice is not that easy to prove.

Also, we get a FAR different picture from Fox, which (thankfully) breaks it down by claimed party affiliation. I'd like to see the numbers for the breakdown, actually. I'll bet the number of people calling themselves Republicans these days is pretty low.


FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. May 16-18, 2006. N=900 registered voters nationwide. MoE 3.

"Regardless of how you plan to vote, if the Democrats win this year's congressional elections do you think it would be right for them to try to impeach President Bush over the Iraq war and weapons of mass destruction, or not?"

Would Be Right / Would Not Be Right / Unsure

ALL registered voters 30 62 7
Democrats 48 / 43 / 9
Republicans 9 / 88 / 3
Independents 31 / 60 / 9

So when you remove Republicans, who may not even be a statistically relevant number in reality, you get
39.5 / 51.5 / 9

However, malice is not that easy to prove.

Posted by CalifChris at 2006-09-09 04:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

Does planning the invasion of iraq in 1999 and then using 9-11 as an excuse count as malice? Legally, I mean...

Let's impeach JFK...while we are at it...

False Flag Operations: Declassified Military Documents Show How US Government Planned Terrorist Attacks

news.yahoo.com

New York, NY (PRWEB) September 7th, 2006 As reported by ABC News, stunning military documents codenamed "Operation Northwoods" were declassified in recent years and show how in 1962, the top US military leaders planned an operation to create terror attacks against its own cities and kill US citizens. See: abcnews.go.com

Posted by Bani at 2006-09-09 12:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

I guess the only problem with that bit of "fact" is that there never were any terror attacks back then. Hmmmm. sounds like a real piece of journalism.

Isn't ABC the same comapny pumping out this 911 'docudrama'? Please, the FBI advisor quit the project becuase he said they just made shit up. I guess the facts were just too difficult to remember.

Impeach! Impeach! Impeach!

The number will only grow and it must be done.

Bush will go down as the worst president in US History!

The same 30% who think 9/11 was Bush's doing and who think both elections were stolen. Please keep screaming for impeachment - you'll be making the same mistake we made with Clinton.

All this does (and there's some merit to it) is to enthuse your base. That'll be important, especially since Dems don't tend to turn out the vote like Reps do.

Does this constant drumbeat of negativism and whining convince those outside the hard core libs to vote Dem? Maybe. Maybe not. Keep trying.

What if we keep both houses? Seriously, you'll have fired all your bullets. What next, a shadow govt like in Mexico? To a degree we already have a shadow govt in the State Dept, but that's for another time.

If this poll is accurate, which I think it's high, it shows that 1/3 of the population is legally insane and lacks any common sense or logic. What a bunch of lemmings.

I doubt the poll is accurate; very few are. The number is probably a lot higher, if you throw in those who to this day believe Congress had an obligation to act to bring about Clinton's impeachment.

DarkSwan,
rightnut and
vernon

Someone should research how these minds work. Where does the disconnect between the eyes, ears and the mind come from and how does it work?

Apparently they live on the same planet as the rest of us but they say things like:

"it is okay for them to spread malicious lies and their worthless media making up news about Bush"

Do you see how this works? When there are countless examples of the Bush administration buying its own news all of a sudden it's the liberal media making up news.

These guys are truly deadenders and have apparently long ago turned their backs on reality in order to support their beloved ideology.

"...it shows that 1/3 of the population is legally insane and lacks any common sense or logic. What a bunch of lemmings."

The latest NYTimes/CBS poll shows just 36% believe that the president is doing a good job.

That's about 1/3 of the population.

Thanks for the laugh, darkstain.

Hans

LOL, Hans

There is no proof that Bush has committed anything close to the "high crimes and misdemeanors" that would warrant an impeachment.

All the accusations and speculations about Bush's supposed criminal activities are just that- accusations and speculation. When they have been looked at closely, they fall apart for lack of evidence. The Plame case is just the most recent. As was the attempt to connect Abu-Ghraib directly to Bush. That's not to say evidence won't be discovered at some later date. It just hasn't yet.

If Bush is incompetant as the people who hate him claim. It is well to remind them that incompetance is not an impeachable offense.

Rastaninjja,

There is no evidence that Bush has committed "high crimes and misdemeanors"?

The Constitution keeps it vague to allow for the interpretation of future generations. So lying us into a disastrous war is not at least a misdemeanor? The only reason the hard evidence is still weak to these crimes is the stonewalling of his cronies in Congress. When the balance changes and the logjam breaks up...

The number has to be higher. I'm from Indiana and I think I could get higher then 30% here and that's saying something.

In the event (unlikely, I believe) that the Dems win the House and Senate, I think they SHOULD begin impeachment proceedings immediately. They need to put their money where there mouths are--for years they have accused the Bush Administration of lying, and leading us into an illegal war. If they believe those things, they need to impeach the president.

That said, I find it amusing that some of the most powerful witnesses FOR Bush will be Clinton-era government officials--Madeline Albright, Al Gore, George Tenet, even John Kerry--all of whom said that Iraq had a robust WMD program. They were saying these things while Bush was still in Austin. They must have been lying, too. Or wrong.

turn, as rightisright alluded to, It will be all but impossible to prove Bush "lied" us into war given the massive amount of data from intel agencies worldwide which said saddam had WMD's and was acquiring more.

In the lead up to the invasion of Iraq, a few bright, strategically-minded people said that there was no Saddam tie and urged the prosecution of the fight against Al Qaeda.
W.'s many missteps were on day #1, on 9/11, when he didn't appear on national TV RIGHT away to say what he thought was going on. His silence led some to think he was on a bender or too dumb to know. Some military and intell types already suspected that the same group behind the 1993 WTC attack, the Khobar bombings, the Kenyan and Tanzania embassy bombings, and the USS Cole attack was responsible. How the National Security Council couldn't lay this theory out on the table and on the airwaves within 2 hours after the last plane was on the ground is appalling. But how W., like a dry-drunk, was allowed to claim that the USA was involved in a "crusade" a day later, when he must have known (or at least his handlers should have known) how those words would play out to Bin Laden's audience was criminally stupid. How W. allowed Bin Laden-loving Pashtun Pakistani troops "pursue" Bin-Laden in Tora Bora in Dec. 2001 was asinine! How W. was allowed in his Jan 2002 SOTU to conflate the 911 attacks with an imagined "axis of evil" of uninvolved countries was depressingly dumb and harmful to the country's national security.
Which calls for impeachment more -- incompetence, stupidity, arrogance, bellicosity, misguided bellicosity, arrogance and hubris, or plain and simple lying to all the world about an important national security event and threats?

16 reasons W. won't be impeached:

MEMBERS OF PNAC - THE PROJECT FOR A NEW AMERICAN CENTURY -- in the current PNAC Bush Administration:

1. Dick Cheney
Vice President

2. Lewis Libby
Chief of Staff to VP Cheney

3. Donald Rumsfeld
Secretary of Defense

4. Paul Wolfowitz
Deputy Sec. of Defense

5. Richard Armitage
Deputy Sec. of State

6. Richard Perle
Member, Defense Policy Advisory Board

7. John Bolton
Under Sec. for Arms Conrol & Int'l Security (Now Ambassador to the UN)

8. Elliot Abrams
Special Asst. to the President (Pardoned Iran Contra convict)

9. Douglas Feith
Under Sec. of Defense for Policy

10. Zalmay Khalilzad
Special Envoy to Afghanistan and Iraq

11. Robert Zoellick
Deputy Secretary of State and former United States Trade Representative

12. Elliott Abrams
Deputy Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Advisor for Global Democracy Strategy

13. Paula J. Dobriansky
Under Secretary of State, Global Affairs

14. Peter W. Rodman
Assistant Secretary for International Security Affairs in the Department of Defense.

15. William Schneider, Jr.
Chairman of the Defense Science Board

16. James Woolsey
Member, Pentagon Defense Policy Board

Also, you know, Bush has not gotten a blow job.

Grumpy then what was all of that choking on a "Pretzel" about Hmmmmmmmmmm

Larry

Thirty percent! I'm sure O.J. didn't score that high before they tried him. The thing is ... this country ain't NEVAH gonna squeeze this toothpaste back into the tube. Not only our environment, but our economy and our standing among nations ain't NEVAH EVAH gonna be the same. herm

"Also, you know, Bush has not gotten a blow job."

He actually prefers Condi's whip.

"Condi's whip."

Posted by OzarkAggie at 2006-09-09 11:43 AM

Is that like Miracle Whip?

TurnLeftb42late, that's exactly the problem. You believe everything you see and everything you read and take them both as fact. Photos are enhanced (Reuters), and documents are fabricated (Dan Rather. Yet, even when proven false, you brainless lemmings believe it as fact.

You should wish you mind functioned as mine, vernon's, and rightnuts. If it did, you wouldn't have your head up your ass.

"Yet even whe proven false, you brainless lemmings believe it as fact."

Really?

Like those pesky WMD's?

Saddam's connection to 9/11?

See where I'm going with this, "lemming"?

You should wish you mind functioned as mine, vernon's, and rightnuts. If it did, you wouldn't have your head up your ass.

Spoken by the man who thinks indigestion is a breath of fresh air....

"You should wish you mind functioned as mine"

You call that a "mind"?

I say Impeach Bush, Congress, and the Supreme Court. We can throw away millions of dollars trying to make it happen, and then all they do is lose their jobs!

It is just a matter of time before they are gone, so let's save the money, and put it toward something more appropriate, such as, planting trees, or purchasing oil from the Iranians. They will just send it back to us in the form of suicide bombers.

Bush won't be impeached because smart dems know he will have totally destroyed his own party by 2008.

Byrdman, there actually is some truth to what you just posted. GWB is a huge liability to the GOP. I doubt the Dems would be foolish enough to shift the focus onto them and their decision to impeach by initiating such proceedings. The negative focus is on GWB. And unless the Dems do something silly, it will remain there.

Moder8,

WE are talking about Liberal Democrats. Of course they will do something stupid, it is in their nature! They just can't help themselves. They will take over, and immediately go after Bush. Then the Republicans will be on the come back.

...are up all night jerking off to political porn.

I belive that's an acurate description of what Righties will be doing Monday night after the ABC 9-11 terror porn movie.

MTNEWC19

Democrats RAN this country for 40 years and did a heck of a job doing it. With TOTAL Republican control all we've gotten is angry partisan politics, massive debt, nothing accomplished for average Americans, MORE good paying white collar and manufacturing jobs LEAVING the country than all other years combined, and a war we didn't need to fight. That's not counting the deceptions and lies this bunch has used on ALL of us. That's just for starters.

Get back with me after Rush tells you what to think about that.....

ALL AMERICAN, I think that the problem is that the Democrats were people who, for well over 60 years in some form or fashion were in charge. They may have lost a majority in the House or Senate for a couple of years at a time, or a presidency, but for the most part, they were the ones in charge. In addition, the media was theirs, on their side, so any wrongs or errors could be quickly covered over or ignored. These conditions held for so long, that the left viewed power and control as their birthright. Now that this is gone, their sole focus is regaining that birthright. Right, wrong, good, evil be @#$%, they'll fix that when they are back in power. Right now, they have to restore the universe to its rightful balance, with them in charge.

All American,

Rush is a partisan expressing his views from a conservative stand point. I try to incorporate many viewpoints in my thinking. Your love and recollect of the Democratic years is slanted because it was a time when the political landscape was devoid of any diversity. Just a bunch of fat old white guys, pushing the rest of America around. You loved it and you want to take us back to segregation and ignorance.

"Your love and recollect of the Democratic years is slanted because it was a time when the political landscape was devoid of any diversity. Just a bunch of fat old white guys, pushing the rest of America around. You loved it and you want to take us back to segregation and ignorance."

Yeah... Lots of "segregation" in, say, 1977-1981. Or 1993-1995.

I would say that your recollect of the Democratic years is slanted because you have no recollection of the Democratic years.

Hans