What, we are now in Iraq to end slavery?

I've got to try harder to keep up.

It's tough werk Silver.

You gotta buy a scorecard to keep up the excuses.

These guys will never admit that they fucked the football. Taliban and OBL safe and sound in Pakistan, and half the Iraqis routing for Hezbollah.

I always thought a farce was supposed to be funny, but so far I don't see a punchline.

""I know there were people who said, 'Why don't we get out of this now, take a peace with the South, but leave the South with slaves?'" Rice said."

LOL

She KNOWS there were people who said that???? How does she know that?

LOL

What a stupid b****!

Anything to justify this administrations failure and defend it's policies...even claiming to know what people said in the 1800's!

Amazing.

Did Bush install lead water pipes in the White House when he took over?

That contagious stupid virus floating around this White House has finally caught up with Condi. We expect this sort of nonsense from Bush and Rumsfeld but not from Condi. Shame.

Shut the Cake Hole Condi

There no end to what end they will go to desperately grasp the few straws that are left to them. Lies, deceit, malapropisms, loosely tied anagolies that go nowhere. What a load of hooey from Condi.

OMG, we really need Wayne Brady to slap a bitch.

Wayne Brady doesn't slap bitches, he chokes them. Get it straight!

It's unbelieveable that Condi's dumb ass said this. Have they used a Hitler comparrison yet? I'm sure they have, it's just way to obvious, I must have missed it some how.

Have they used a Hitler comparrison yet?

Does Rummy's line about comparing those who say "leave Iraq" to "Nazi appeasers" count?

If we leave Iraq:
Aliens will come from Neptune and eat our heads.
Dinosaurs will reappear and destroy our cities.
Radioactive lizards and fire breathing moths will destroy Tokyo.
Chinese will excel at basketball.

Stolen from Ken Mehlman's blueberry. Expect to see them early next month at a GOP meeting near you. or 101,derfloki or BLT's postings at any moment.

"Chinese will excel at basketball."


Greece will beat the US in basketball.

See? BUSHZARRO WORLD is beginning to take over!

Hey PWZSPY??

Go back to that shit hole of a blog...maybe someone there cares about what you have to say.

what AMERICA needs to do is
enslave all the illegals here

YEE HAW!

Save your confederate money, boys, 'cause the South's gonna' rise again!

"Go back to that shit hole of a blog...maybe someone there cares about what you have to say."

Now, now Lisa. Let's not speak ill of the dead.

Have they used a Hitler comparrison yet?


Or, how's this:

"Bin Laden and his terrorist allies have made their intentions as clear as Lenin and Hitler before them. The question is: Will we listen? Will we pay attention to what these evil men say?" Bush said, adding that "we're taking the words of the enemy seriously."

Between Rummy's Op Ed in the LA Times and this from Bush it is starting to look like the new talking points. Rove would title this one "I know what I am but what are YOU?!"

when condi said leaving iraq was like allowing slavery, half the GOP just then decided to 'cut n run'.
clever girl.

Sounds like a fireside story from Auntie Condi's cabin. Few people in the Midd,le East care about what Condi thinks. By US standards most of the men in Iraq would probably make a slave out of Condi. I'm really looking forward to this lady going back to teaching at Stanford.

You are.

"PWZ007"???

Spying for PWZ??

That leads me to believe you're one of the slime that was booted off here or one of their commrades.

Go back to hell and let Satan know that all is well here, no one needs to go to visit that blog.

Are there any wars left? How far back in history do these Neocon clowns intend to go in making comparisons of the Iraq war?

So far Bush has compared his illegal, invented war in Iraq to being the same as WW II, the Cold War, and now our Civil War.

The Neocons desperately need some new talking points. They sound more desperate and pathetic each day.

Bush has been on a roll with his WW II Nazi kick when talking about his going to war in Iraq. Well in one way Bush is right about Iraq being similar to WW II: Bush's attack on Iraq was exactly what Hitler did to Poland.

So now critics of the way Bush-Cheney are mismanaging Iraq are akin to pro-slavers during the Civil War? You would think comparisons to appeasers of Hitlerism would be enough, but this is a new one.

Why stop there? Here are some lines for Cheney's next speech on Iraq:

***

"My fellow Americans. There are some today who believe we should cut and run from Iraq. They would seek to appease vicious extremism. They think that if we just blamed America first, our enemies would leave us alone.

Once upon a time there were others who held such beliefs. Before God created Heaven and Earth, there was an Archangel named Satan. He was vain and full of hatred for God and God's works. He planned to overthrow God and take over Heaven.

God could have stopped Satan in his tracks early. Imagine what the world would have been like if he had. But instead God decided not to act. He thought if he left Satan alone, it would be all right.

The rest, as we know, is history. Satan tried to overthrow God there was a huge war. Although Satan was ultimately thrown out of Heaven, it was at great cost. And now Satan rules in Hell with many WMD.

I am not saying the Democrats are followers of Satan. I am not saying the Democrats are not patriotic. I am just stating what the facts are. I leave others to draw what conclusions they will from them."

****

I'm really looking forward to this lady going back to teaching at Stanford.

Is Stanford?

Wow, PWZ...almost word for word what two of the slime from PWZ have said in the past.

You just signed up there, huh??? I'm sure if I go there, I'll find the posts of the conversations you just described, right??

"Adult debate"???

From the idiots at PWZ???

LMAO!!

Good one Bore-us!! How the hell did you get back on here??

Go away. Your reverse psycology isn't going to work. Your blog is a piece of shit!!

Anything that posts using PWZ as a handle is not worth getting serious about!

BTW: I'm not the one who is childishly spying here for the assholes at your site, baiting them to go there and "debate"...lol...that would be YOU!!

Now..go away, kid...ya bother me!

wow. they are desperate. what the hell is wrong with our country leaders. they have run out of ideas. coincidence that shes the one that had to compare to slavery? i think not.

Sounds more like jackass to me.

"I know there were people who said, 'Why don't we get out of this now, take a peace with the South, but leave the South with slaves?'" Rice said.

Oh for chrissake!!! How low can they sink?

If Bush needs another war to compare Iraq to, I suggest the Spanish American War.

Trumped up by Republicans to "free Cuba" from Spain and sold to America by W.R. Hearst with a big lie.

"Remember the Maine!"

Oh wait, the S.A.W. was short, adventurous (at least for Teddy R. and the Rough Riders) and we won easily.

Never mind.

Boyd, I wouldn't have believed they would execute this tact. It's fascinating to watch. Give new meaning to "the bigger the lie. . ."

They deserve to be booted out, the lot of them, including Lucy X Oprah.

CC,
This one is for you...

Iraq is in their revolutionary period. Much like our founding fathers, they are entering into a period with a newly awakened sense of liberty. They needed our assistance to throw off the yoke of a despotic regime, not unlike King George III in the 1700s. They are dealing with an insurgency, not unlike that faced by the colonists during the French and Indian War. They are putting forth an ideal and they are led by a revolutionary religious visionary who has his mandate directly from God, much like Joan of Arc. In fact, we can liken much of their mission to that of the Christian envoys sent to the Middle East during the Crusades. Anyway, if that is not far enough back, I can add a few more wars (1066 at Hastings for example). The bottom line is that these wars have been being fought for millenia, under numerous guises, but fundamentally, they are all founded on economic gains. Not that that is a bad thing. I personally like my quality of life. Its ironic, but Steve Perkins puts forth an interesting view of international politics/business in his book "Confessions of an Economic Hitman." He's a bit conspiracy theorist for my take, but his explanation of our economic policy makes sense. We make others reliant on us, so they have to surrender their natural resources in return for American goods. Someone gets in the way, and we stop them. Unfortunately, the wealth is not then evenly distributed; instead, it is made on the back of the average American who may see a couple of dollars in return.

Far from being an apologist, I am a realist. I may or may not agree with the way the administration is waging this war. I will never tell, but I can say with certainty that stability with a friendly regime in Iraq helps the average American. The question we must ask ourselves is, is it worth it. I've made my decision, you have to decide for yourself.

LISA - I took PWZ's comments on enslavement of illegals to be sarcasm.... what else could such comments be? Surely, illuminated by the light of our country's history, no American would embrace such wickedness.

On the other hand PWZ's comments about DR and its bloggers, just seemed to be an expression of inexperience with the nature of this site and its habitues.

Cosmic:

PWZ's comments are word for word from two posters here who have been bannished.

I've been getting emails from folks here who agree with me.

Trust me sweetie...I'm pretty good at picking out past posters and/or those who have changed their handles here.

Unbiased-
... but I can say with certainty that stability with a friendly regime in Iraq helps the average American.

Great.

How about a pony too?

Rogers,
If you are reading, please allow me to offer comment. Lisa and PWZ are perfect examples of what I think is wrong with the American political system. We have lost the skill of artful discourse. We resort to name calling and villify those who do not agree with us. Voltaire himself said (paraphrase) "I may not agree with what you have. to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." We categorize people as traitors or un-american simply because they exercise their right for free thinking. As a married man, I understand that much more can be accomplished by saying, I don't agree, but I respect the fact that you feel that way. If more people approached political debate in that manner, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hanity and the like wouldn't be commanding 7 figure salaries and much more would get done.

'cause I'd like a pony.

and some cash.

That'd be cool.

A pony and some cash. I'd like my pony black and my cash green.

"LISA you have yet to make a comment on the subject"

Hmmm...that's odd. I recall doing so.

Nice reading skills you have.

"let me pick you apart on your statments"

Go back to "picking" your nose. Surely, you must be more successful at THAT, than you are at picking apart my posts.

Now...go bother someone else.

Boyd,
I'd love a pony, can PNAC get me one? Seriously, though, can you say that at this point an unstable Iraq helps anyone?

And Halliburton doesn't count. Even though U.S. laws have changed, I don't think that a corporation has the same rights as an individual.

Sorry, the pony can be any color, but it can't be an Iranian Shia pony.

And it must be alive.

Dang...all I want is some cash and a pony!!!

Doesn't every CHILD WISH for that?

And how does that change the obvious reality -- my wish for some cash and a pony?

Not one bit.

Dear Unbiased:

I refuse to be baited by someone who has found away around RCADE'S system after being banned from his site and he is getting what he deserves....no respect.

It is not out of disagreement with him about a subject. It has everything to do with the fact that I know how he "debates"...actually, it's no "debate" at all.

BTW: Why address that post to RCADE, rather than to me??

Afraid of a little "debate" yourself?

Unbiased-
I'd love a pony, can PNAC get me one? Seriously, though, can you say that at this point an unstable Iraq helps anyone?

Nooo, I don't suppose they can.

But that's what you got.

Thanks.

Boyd,
Shouldn't that be a black Arabian pony (not so sure of its particular Muslim leanings). Seriously though, I was just giving Chris a few more wars to compare this to. Bottom line is, as I have said before, the bottom line. Its all fundamentally about money. For some strange reason, I am okay with that.

Sorry...forgot the space between "a" and "way".

Bottom line is, as I have said before, the bottom line. Its all fundamentally about money. For some strange reason, I am okay with that.

Dandy.

How many lives is your dollar worth?

Lisa,
I love debate. My address was to RCADE based on some comments I made in the past. If you'd like to talk, I'd love to converse with someone who can actually listen and consider opposing viewpoints. My point was not directed as an attack against you or PWZ, rather pointing out the fact that our current political discourse has gone way off course and has become partisan warfare. We are in a period of crisis and need to work together, not against each other. Both sides need to come to the table in order to come up with a solution that is acceptable to all (or I would just accept most) Americans.

I think we should nuke the entire Middle East.....except the oil fields. We should just claim those as our own.

I suppose I'm troubled by the comments of someone who has no problem with a US that would make Jefferson wretch in his grave because he's concerned about his investments, or whatever.

"Lisa and PWZ sitting in a tree...."

"i have been warned of only three to look out for
but the one of them that they mentioned has not live up to what they said so far"

Hahahaha. Guess I'll have to try harder.

Hey Jeff!

Yep...I agree with you on that one.

Unbiased:

The conversation I was having with that goof is not political based...it's a war he started long ago...and I'm finishing it.

You want to see shameful partisanship...read Bushlover's posts.

Boyd,

I think many things would cause Jefferson to turn in his grave. Not the least of which is the absolute destruction of the limited government that he helped found, in lieu of this monstrosity that plagues us now.

Jeff:

I thought we were buddies.

Please refrain from saying that again!!

Boyd,
OK, you've set me off. When was the last time you were shot at in defense of freedom or your way of life. My dollars are earned being one of those folks on the front line (those lives that you have asked how much my dollars are worth - simple answer, every one I earn). Again, I was trying to interject some humor in response to CC's post. Sorry you missed that. Calling a combat vet a dandy is simply in poor taste.

Hi Lisa.

You are feistier than usual tonight.

UNBIASED VOTER (no-such thing) - "Iraq is in their revolutionary period. ....like our founding fathers, they are entering into a period with a newly awakened sense of liberty......not unlike King George III in the 1700s......an insurgency, not unlike that faced by the colonists during the French and Indian War"


--- Slippery slopes descend from historical similes. It is, after all, human nature to reach out to "things familiar" when attempting to understand "things unfamiliar."

But this leads to unrealistic assessments and bad policy. Some on the Left view Iraq through a 'Vietnam' lens. Some (Rumsfeld/Bush) on the Right view Iraq through a WWII lens. Neither comparison, nor the history of the American Revolution, provides realistic assessment of the cultural/historical vectors converging upon the people of Iraq.

I would go so far as to say, that nothing in the American frame of reference has prepared the average U.S. citizen or policy maker for a cogent understanding of the crisis in Iraq and what it bodes for our own nation.

To cling to such superficial comparisons of history and culture is a sure path to calamity.

As to your declaration --- "Far from being an apologist, I am a realist."

---- most everybody views(or have viewed) themselves as a 'realist'....Bush, Rumsfeld, Jim Jones, Ron L. Hubbard....regardless of their "visionary" aspirations.

i have been warned of only three to look out for
but the one of them that they mentioned has not live up to what they said so far

No offense, but that website was founded by 3 or 4 people that did nothing but start constant flame wars here, call the owner every name in the book, and then beg for his forgiveness.

The banning started after the made new accounts everytime they were suspended for 10 days for wishing AIDS death on someone, or whatever else came to mind.

I do not miss those people.

Corkster...LOL

That was very funny!

Jeff:

I know.

Do you like it?

Heck yeah I like it!

JeffJ-
Limited government?

Such as the President effectively declaring war and spying on Americans without warrant while the aware and active population is too timid to really say anything about it because they wish to grease their asses on the slip-n-slide to retirement?

Something like that?

"I do not miss those people."

ME EITHER!!

If I cared to sift through garbage, I'd go to that site and just check on our little spy and I'm betting that no such conversations took place...because the spy is one who got bannished. I'd lay money on it!

Jeff:

Good. I'm in the mood to let it all out tonight!

I'm not putting up with anyones shit!!

LOL

What's shaking? I haven't been here in a while.

"And Halliburton doesn't count. Even though U.S. laws have changed, I don't think that a corporation has the same rights as an individual.

Posted by Unbiased_Voter"

You are right, they don't have the same rights as an individual American citizen, they have more.

Look it up. Under the law, Corporations gained the same rights legally as individuals around the turn of the last century.;(

Today, they have more.

Calling a combat vet a dandy is simply in poor taste.

Really?

Well, I never called you a dandy, so I don't guess your comment makes much sense to me.

How do you feel about people calling Murtha and Cleland "traitors"?

Cosmic,
That post was a tounge in cheek jest to Chris. I'm sorry you didn't see it as such. The military comparisons were just some unrealistic ends to which one might draw a (flawed, read Niceville or BL2) logical comparison. I am also a student of history - remember, Hitler based his regime on reviving the third Rome. Seriously though, at the end of the day, I am a realist. One who has seen the horror of child combatants and understands the damage war does, not only to a military, but also the infrastructure, and most importantly, the culture of a nation. I think one of my favorite comments on war is that there are no winners, only survivors. That said, I want to make sure that we, as a nation, have the chance to survive.

I will never tell, but I can say with certainty that stability with a friendly regime in Iraq helps the average American.

And I can say with certainty that the average American would love to have a pony.

Would the "average American" wish to invade a country, kill a bunch of people including their own and not only not get the pony but get a big steaming pile of pony shit?

Probably not.

Bill, of course it was. As was several of our names...over and over and over. Being insulted, posting as us...the bullshit never stops over there from what I have heard.

I couldn't care less, to be honest. They can say whatever they want about me, or Oz or any of us. I have no respect for them and their opinions mean nothing to me.

Boyd,

Here's your post..

"Dandy.

How many lives is your dollar worth?"

That aside, I am not familiar with Cleland's service, but I would call Murtha a true patriot - just one with a different opinion that the current administration. I may side with one or the other, but I respect the opposition's right to have an opinion.

Jeebus!

The whole Pilonidal Bore Zone crew is here.

I'm crashin', see ya.

Our survival is not in question, "Unbiased".

Our leadership is.

I guess people just aren't into high level debate anymore?

"The whole Pilonidal Bore Zone crew is here."

Ha! Good call, Corks.

"Unbiased"-
And in November you will vote for the very stooges that have brought us to this point.

Corky,
You are right, corporations have more rights than the average American. That is not something that I agree with, so, in a few years, we may be able to change that. The Delta decision yesterday about broke my heart. These companies get away with defrauding their employees while the CEO's get billion dollar bonuses. My point was that an unstable Iraq only helps the contractors.

Such as the President effectively declaring war and spying on Americans without warrant while the aware and active population is too timid to really say anything about it because they wish to grease their asses on the slip-n-slide to retirement?


Something like that?

That's part of the puzzle, but a slight mischaracterization. It has ALWAYS been the Constitutional authority of our government to provide security. Certainly, one could argue whether or not what you've mentioned actually achieved such, and if so, do the tools used violate other aspects of the Constituion.

I was actually jabbing at the Nanny-state (Welfare, corporate welfare, Statism, Collectivism, etc.) and what I see as an abhorrent, slippery slope toward Socialism. In short, 70 years worth of government growth that is unconsitutional; unless accompanied by a Constitional Ammendment, or 3.

I don't buy it, "Unbiased".

Sorry.

Boyd,
Read my past posts, you will find that you are completely incorrect about my political leanings. I am simply trying to provide the same explanation to you that I provide to my liberal friends when they wonder why I can serve while I have such progressive political leanings. I have plenty of my own opinions of how things should be run, but I also respect the right of the opposition to have their own. My chance to voice my opinion comes on the second Tuesday after the first Monday in November. Until then, I will continue to defend both sides as best I can.

And in November you will vote for the very stooges that have brought us to this point.

I don't believe that the Dem's will enjoy a '94-redux. It's a frickin' shame, really. These Republican tools really deserve to be kicked to the curb. Yet, the Democrats are so unbelievably shitty, they won't even be able to snatch the gift that has been handed to them.

An interesting legality and why Bush will NEVER formally turn ownership of Iraq's assests over to a new Iraq government but will have our military remain as "occupiers" forever.

When Paul Bremer shredded Iraq's Baathist constitution and replaced it with what The Economist greeted approvingly as "the wish list of foreign investors," there was one small detail he failed to mention: It was all completely illegal.

The Coalition Provisional Authority [established by Bush after his invasion of Iraq] derived its legal authority from United Nations Security Council Resolution 1483, passed in May 2003, which recognized the United States and Britain as Iraq's legitimate occupiers.

It was this resolution that empowered Bremer to unilaterally make laws in Iraq. But the resolution also stated that the U.S. and Britain must "comply fully with their obligations under international law including in particular the Geneva Conventions of 1949 and the Hague Regulations of 1907." Both conventions were born as an attempt to curtail the unfortunate historical tendency among occupying powers to rewrite the rules so that they can economically strip the nations they control.

With this in mind , conventions stipulate that an occupier must abide by a country's existing laws unless "absolutely prevented" from doing so. They also state that an occupier does not own the "public buildings, real estate, forests and agricultural assets" of the country it is occupying but is rather their "administrator" and custodian, keeping them secure until sovereignty is re-established. This was the true threat to the Baghdad Year Zero plan: since America didn't own Iraq's assets, it could not legally sell them [i.e. Iraq's oil], which meant that after the occupation ended, an Iraqi government could come to power and decide that it wanted to keep the state companies in public hands, or, as is the norm in the Gulf region, to bar foreign firms from owning 100% of national assets. If that happened, investments made under Bremer's rules could be expropriated, leaving firms with no recourse because their investments had violated international law from the outset.

"you are not pissed at me"

Ha! I would have to care about you in order to have that emotion...and I don't.

The fact is, you're here, representing yourself as someone new, and I call bullshit.

You have no credibility.

And right behind you comes "Tron".

Must be a boring night at the PWZ for both of you to be here.

Jeff-
I was actually jabbing at the Nanny-state (Welfare, corporate welfare, Statism, Collectivism, etc.) and what I see as an abhorrent, slippery slope toward Socialism. In short, 70 years worth of government growth that is unconsitutional; unless accompanied by a Constitional Ammendment, or 3.

Yes, of course you were. You aren't troubled by what you don't hear on talk radio. You aren't troubled by the executive pretty much declaring that they have no oversight when you are scared.

if you want a debate im here ready
lets do this

God, he even sounds like Horace. How about you just state an opinion counter to someone elses on the thread subject and see what they say?

Is that so hard?

Does it require all the rules and regulations of a duel?

at least mention the handle

Posted by PWZ007 at 2006-09-06 12:50

Hi ya, Zeit/Rex I missed ya!

Unbiased-
I'm sure that you are right. My apologies. It's been a long six years.

"God, he even sounds like Horace."

How about Jackass??

Tron is Horace, if I remember correctly.

PWZ- no, you're noy horace. I think TRON is. His PWZ handle is patrick henry. Or it was the last time I went there.

You aren't troubled by the executive pretty much declaring that they have no oversight when you are scared.


Where did I ever advocate such a position?


I have stayed in the background regarding the whole 'wiretapping controversy'.

I have found that a considerable amount of misinformation and spin accompanies this issue. This in itself is not usually a problem. However, for some reason I have had a difficult time grasping the complexities of this particular situation. I am all for oversight and for adhering to Constitutional protections. I am just not convinced that this isn't happening.

I don't know, nor do I care. I went to that site once, when I was told they were flaming me and Oz and I said what I had to say and left. I won't go back there. It's a joke.

Boyd,
Thanks. You would probably be surprised to discover that we have many of the same political leanings. I only lament the fact that the art of political discourse is dead in this country. Both sides call each other traitors and block any productive legislation in the Congress. I miss the opportunity to present differing opinions and come to a logical compromise that helps all involved.

I have found that a considerable amount of misinformation and spin accompanies this issue.

You mean how bush said that wiretaps required a court order, and then we found out they weren't getting them?

Hey PWZ...why not cut and paste those conversations you claim to have had about being warned about us here and our reluctance to debate??? Prove you've had them.

This should be fun.

Let the excuses roll!

Both sides call each other traitors and block any productive legislation in the Congress. I miss the opportunity to present differing opinions and come to a logical compromise that helps all involved.

Go for it, dude. I don't ever call anyone a traitor. It's a very serious charge and shouldn't be tossed out willy nilly.

That's one example, Alex. Many, many, many others.

OH!

It's pWz... Pilodinal Whore Zone.

Sorry, we all make mistakes.

Unless we are Jackass or Rex, then we are born mistakes.

Really gone now.

Nite, H! Don't miss the train.

However, for some reason I have had a difficult time grasping the complexities of this particular situation.

It's pretty simple, Jeff. FISA provides that the Executive has much leeway and every incentive to get warrants even retroactively.

Our President claims that he is above the law...after he was busted conducting surveillance on Americans without warrants.

Follow?

I don't ever call anyone a traitor.

Oh please. You call Tad 'traitorous subversive scum' almost daily.

God, he even sounds like Horace. How about you just state an opinion counter to someone elses on the thread subject and see what they say?

Is that so hard?

Does it require all the rules and regulations of a duel?

Pistols at 10 yards. If someone needs a second, I can fill in. Just kidding.

Jeff:

Are you nuts'n around??

I've not seen that from Alex...Tad on the other hand.....

I only lament the fact that the art of political discourse is dead in this country. Both sides call each other traitors and block any productive legislation in the Congress.

Whatever.

I see one side calling the other side
"traitor", and it aint my side doing it, bud.

"BILL
you are right your name was mentioned"

Now there's an understatement if there ever was. But I don't have any beef with you, pwz007.

Do you know why FISA came about, Jeff?

PWZ discussion here is about about as satisfying as talking to a lump of coal. Actually talking to the lump of coal might be more satisfying.

" I see one side calling the other side
"traitor", and it aint my side doing it, bud."

Right Boyd. You just call people terrorists. That's much better.

"Unbiased"-

" and they block any productive legislation in the Congress."

Really?

It seems that one party controls both the House and the Senate, and has for about a decade, dude.

Boyd,
Sorry, I thought we had come to a mutual understanding. In my opinion, both sides are guilty of political mudslinging. You have Randy Rhodes calling for violent acts against the government, and at the same time (roughly) you have Rush Limbaugh calling John Murtha a traitor. I don't think either is acceptable. When we, as a nation, stop name-calling and start talking, then things can get done. Until then, everyone (and rightly so) gets defensive and shuts down all negotiations.

Boyd,

The coutner arguments I've see are as follows:

1. Wartime powers gives the Executive branch additional powers (bypassing FISA is implied)

2. They aren't using these wiretaps for prosecutorial purposes. They are tapping for protective purposes.



I will try to illustate why I am somewhat confused on this issue:

What is the 'Constitutional view' of the data mining program?

Does this warrant requirement apply to all broadcast transmissions that are entering our country?

What are the legal ramifications of a warrantless tap? I suspect that the number of calls being monitored are numerous, to say the least. Under FISA, do each and every one of these incoming calls that are monitored require a warrant? How many calls are we talking about? ...........

Again..your reading skills need improvement. I've been there once and don't know anything about that site, other than they like to use handles from here, posing as us or they simply flame us.
Furthermore, I'm not buying your helpless routine.

Go play dumb on someone elses time.

Joe-
Right Boyd. You just call people terrorists. That's much better.

Back it up, fucker!

Quote me. Now!

Jeff J.,

What was it that Bush said on the aircraft carrier in the flight suit?

Boyd,

You are being REAL disingenuous if you are seriously suggesting that the mudslinging is exclusive to one side; or even tilted to one side.

At the risk of pissing off both sides,


Joe-
Right Boyd. You just call people terrorists. That's much better.

Back it up, fucker!

Quote me. Now!

This is exactly what I am talking about. Reducing discourse to name calling and accusations on both sides prevents profitable debate. I'm not putting for support for either party, but neither treats the other with respect. That is no way to get things done.

Jeff-

1. Wartime powers gives the Executive branch additional powers (bypassing FISA is implied)

Really? But congress has not declared war.

2. They aren't using these wiretaps for prosecutorial purposes. They are tapping for protective purposes.

How sweet of them.

Oh please. You call Tad 'traitorous subversive scum' almost daily.

Posted by JeffJ at 2006-09-06 01:09 AM | Reply | Flag

He calls ME that. Quit holding his water for him, he doesn't even like you or treat you with respect, jeff.

Boyd,

Regarding my 116 post: my questions were genuine questions - I wasn't backhandedly defending a subversion of law. I am just trying to figure the issue out.

Roma emailed me a couple of links, but I didn't find them particularly helpful.

"They are tapping for protective purposes"

Can you prove this?

Without checks and balances, none of us knows what they're being used for.

Just because that's what they are claiming, doesn't make it true.

He calls ME that.

I know.

I was just clowning.

you say im the owner of PWZ
PATRICK HENRY

No. I said you SOUNDED like him. I believe Tron is Horace, and he's probably bored.

You are being REAL disingenuous if you are seriously suggesting that the mudslinging is exclusive to one side; or even tilted to one side.

Have to laugh at this, don't see to many reporighties having their military service questioned, let alone their medals of valor and such. Except maybe the AWOL king George but it should be questioned.

Mudslinging, owned by the repofundies by the 10th power, cutting is their second name.

"I was just clowning."

Thanks.

Now I have "Send In The Clowns" running through my head.

Jeff- My conversations with tad are a perfect example of what boyd is talking about.

He calls us all traitors on a daily basis, but who does it back to him?

The authoritarian leanings are on the right, because the right is in charge of the country. DUH.

I'm done conversing with you PWZ.

Be on your way.

What was it that Bush said on the aircraft carrier in the flight suit?

End of major combat operations in Iraq.

He did not issue an end to the 'War on Terror'.


I am not defending Bush - I AM however trying to get a handle on this issue.

The answers to my questions haven't brought much clarity thus far.

Unbiased-
This is exactly what I am talking about. Reducing discourse to name calling and accusations on both sides prevents profitable debate. I'm not putting for support for either party, but neither treats the other with respect. That is no way to get things done.

Why thank you, "unbiased". Joe wrote that I call people with whom I disagree "terrorists". Hmmm. You seem to have missed that, and Joe can't seem to back it up. Is that also an unfortunate state of discourse when you are oblivious to what does not further your position?

Lisa,

Now I have "Send In The Clowns" running through my head.

You're showing your age...Karen Carpenter if I remember correctly.

TRON
you are right

Careful getting your nose up in there. Might run into Horaces forehead.

Once Lisa fails to back up her position she instantly calls off the discussion and fails to admit defeat... so typical.

"They are tapping for protective purposes"

Can you prove this?

Excuse me, but it doesn't matter why they are tapping illegally.

I don't recall the "except when there are good intentions" clause to either FISA or the Constitution!!!!

Have civilian attacks on Americans or Canadians created more american or canadian terrorists?

Yes. See Lidco, and you.

Posted by Boyd at 2006-07-26 12:01 PM | Reply

Tron = Horace.

Get lost, creep.

"Joe wrote that I call people with whom I disagree "terrorists"

Liar Joe regularly lies about people. He was lying about Tony and Danforth the other day.

"You're showing your age...Karen Carpenter if I remember correctly."

Nope..it was Judy Collins.

I sang that song in a talent show when I was in high school.

LOL

And I'm not all THAT old!!!

Jeff J.,

End of major combat operations in Iraq.

He did not issue an end to the 'War on Terror'.

Ahhhhhh! But you are wrong.

End of major combat meant that the soldiers over there would no longer get war pay premiums, benefits and the like, basically saying the war was won.

Now, he wants to keep the war on so he can continue his wire tap without judicial oversight, can't have it both ways, have to pay to play.

Kiss my ass, Horace!! (how's that for feisty, Jeff!)

Go back to that failed blog site of yours.

Boyd,
My posting was not designed to point a finger either way, I just don't type as quickly as people post. Your exchange with him was an example of our failure to adequately communicate. Four or five word sound bytes or accusations convey points much more quickly and memorably in the minds of the average American voter. Unfortunately, those phrases don't convey the scope of the decisions that they represent.

"Joe wrote that I call people with whom I disagree "terrorists"

Joe is nothing but a double talking hack. Rightleaning fence sitter hacking at others ideas without ever spouting what are his own ideas.

Critisizing follower of the repofundies.

Have to laugh at this, don't see to many reporighties having their military service questioned,

Naw, you just have a Republican president being accused of staging and planning 9-11.

You have a Republican president accused of starting a war for the sole purpose of enriching Haliburton, etc.

You have shameful fear-mongering of an impending draft if current leadership is retained (Dem '04 pres. campaign).

You have race-baiting and class-envy at every turn.


----

I am not saying the Republicans/Right are any better. The fact that you are suggesting the Left/Dem's are holier than thou hints toward partisan hackery on your part.

hey Horace...gonna apologize to rcade now? You know, since he dumps less threads and people than you do at your "free speech site", and you spent months accusing him of being corrupt while pissing and moaning on his website?

Thought not, douche. Rogers certianly tolerated you and your clumsly band of 'intellectuals' longer than you would have.

"Joe wrote that I call people with whom I disagree "terrorists"

I also proved it in this thread at 1:27AM. No lies here.

Joe-
As I recall you and Lidco were advocating turning the ME into smoldering glass...but you didn't preserve that context.

Lisa,
My Dad and Judy were good friends...too bad I blundered on that one. He met her while he was finishing up Seminary and had to spend time working on his psych classes and part of a study he was doing in Chicago nightclubs - long before Send in the Clowns ;)

PWZ steer clear of most especially the ones that already been mentioned to you.

Hahahaha!!!

No wonder the freaks are out tonight...there's a full moon.

Shouldn't you two be howling at it, Horace and Jackass or Rex??

BTW PWZ...stupid does become you!

Have to laugh at this, don't see to many reporighties having their military service questioned,

Like Limbaugh, Cheney, Rove, etc.?

Unbiased:

That is so cool.

Funny how life can intertwine you with others, isn't it?

PWZ steer clear of most especially the ones that already been mentioned to you.

Posted by tron at 2006-09-06 01:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

PWZ-

You know tron was banned right? Did you ever wonder why?

Oh, but Cheney had "other priorities", Limbaugh had a boil on his ass, and Rove was...too fat and pasty?

Crassus,

"Joe is nothing but a double talking hack. Rightleaning fence sitter hacking at others ideas without ever spouting what are his own ideas."

In the last day and a half, I have posted my own ideas in the Michigan thread, the oil reserve thread, the katie couric thread, the 9/11 conspiracy thread, the Tiger Woods thread, the whistleblower thread, and many others. It is not my fault if you can't read or choose to do so selectively.

Alex:

Forget it. They're just playing stupid...and it works to some degree.

The goon platoon has stubbled back here because their site failed.

I was never banned. You have me mistaken for somebody else.

Later all

Boyd,

" As I recall you and Lidco were advocating turning the ME into smoldering glass"

Prove it. Quote me. I can't speak for Lidco, but I never advocated that.

"PWZ steer clear of most especially the ones that already been mentioned to you."

Don't believe everything those trolls tell you, Pwz. You act civil, and I'll be civil to you.

In the last day and a half, I have posted my own ideas in the Michigan thread, the oil reserve thread, the katie couric thread, the 9/11 conspiracy thread, the Tiger Woods thread, the whistleblower thread, and many others. It is not my fault if you can't read or choose to do so selectively.

And it was all a bunch of bullshit!

In the meantime, I have quoted you as calling me a terrorist, which is exactly what you asked for.

Bill:

PWZ IS a troll!!!

I am not saying the Republicans/Right are any better. The fact that you are suggesting the Left/Dem's are holier than thou hints toward partisan hackery on your part.

Never said the left/dems are holier than thou, those are your inputs.

Republican president hid and destroyed all the relative information and material that was related to 911. Why is he trying to hide the actual details and facts about the destructiveness of all the accident related details to 911. Makes him appear to be part of it, if not, he should be truthful about it.

Why did he start the war, all the reasons he gave have been out right questionable lies, not omissions, not bad intel. but out right lies and then keeps dropping down to the next level to try and cover his ass.

Fear mongering draft by the left, is that for real? If this was an issue you're not very political savy to actual politics.

The simple fact is the repofundies attact the individual and his character to discredit what is actually being said.

I am off to bed as well.


Nite all.

PWZ for the most part you have your assesment correct. Just be careful. Backstabbing is an acient art around these parts.

joe- anyone advocating the nuking of the ME is mirroring the terrorist tendencies of Hezbelloh.

Lisa,
Really funny. BTW, you didn't happen to live in the D.C. area in the late 90's? I have had too many coincidences lately and want to make sure this isn't another one. As wacky as it sounds, I ran into an ex-fiance at work the other day. We haven't seen each other in 8 years. It ended roughly (her fault), but it was really wierd to talk to her about my wife and daughter.

LOL

You make a royal ass of yourself, Bore-us.

Grow up!

Ten types of people who comonly post on the Retort
1. People who like to insult other people.
2. People who are stupid.
3. People who are plain old wackos.
4. People who like to argue even though they have not thought through what they are saying.
5. People who buy into an ideology.
6. People who like to repeat clever statements they heard elsewhere.
7. People who feel validated by getting their tired old opinions published on a web site.
8. People who do not know how to spell. (Lots of those.)
9. People who drink too much.
10. People who don't drink enough.

And it was all a bunch of bullshit!

Wow Jeff J.,

I am impressed, did not expect that out of ya. Yahoo!!!!!!

Good on Ya!!!

The simple fact is the repofundies attact the individual and his character to discredit what is actually being said.

And the "leftofundies" do the same fucking thing.


Seriously, open your eyes. You have been around the block way too many times to subscribe to some bullshit notion that 'their' side is dirtier than 'your' side.

Just be careful. Backstabbing is an acient art around these parts.

...does your buddy jackass still post peoples home phones and work numbers? Does your pal rex zeitgeist still post peoples real names and email addresses, horace?

Mod,
Damn, you got me on SOOOO many levels.


7. People who feel validated by getting their tired old opinions published on a web site.
9. People who drink too much.
10. People who don't drink enough.

Crass,

Don't get too excited with your 143 post.

My jab at Joe was a joke.

It wasn't a serious comment.

LOL. Me too. Especially #8.

"PWZ IS a troll!!!"

Lisa, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I haven't see any trolling from him so far.

Unbiased:

What kind of coincidence do you think I'm a part of? LOL

No...I've never lived anywhere but PA, WI and MO.

That story's not bad...how about spending the weekend with your ex at my new home in MO and went on a short trip, staying at a hotel together?!

LOL

We are good friends and do everything possible to make things good for our six year old. My ex came into town to suprise my little guy. He had a blast!!

Alright. I am REALLY off to bed now (I just finished my beer).


Good night.


Go Tigers!

Mod,
Fortunately, I have a degree in English and can slepl. Haha.

Bill:

You aren't remembering past posts of their's when they were members here.

Trust me...he's a troll.

UNBIASED - "I want to make sure that we, as a nation, have the chance to survive."

--- But at what price to the survival of mankind? We have reached a wholly new point in the history of Man's reign on earth. The wide open spaces, the unclaimed resources, the ideologies of self-interest have all been 'staked out'. Free range is over. We have damn near reached 'build out.'

Societies, cultures, belief-systems, nations of the world are shoulder-to-shoulder. The friction is creating heat. Yet, in many minds, the concept of 'globalism' is anathema.

To satisfy the perceived needs of a rapacious culture (any rapacious culture), something is gonna have to get knocked down.....an 'urban renewal' of sorts, on a massive scale, with the razing of traditions, political structures, and whole societies.

You express your interest in our nation's survival. But, inherent within the concept of Our Nation, is our ideological high ground that speaks of justice and respect for all peoples --- we have been working on and refining these values for 250 years. At some point we are going to have to choose between the moral/ethical constructs of our nation and the desires of the flesh.

Which?

You may tend towards saying that we can have both. History has often shown an inverse relationship resulting from political expediency in these matters.

I do not mean to paint such a dark picture of the conundrum the future holds. Personally, I believe, that, becoming frustrated with our current course in attempting to change the shape of the world to fit our needs, practicality will dictate that we ultimately turn inward, revisit, redefine, rededicate, etc. that which we know/think ourselves to be.

In self-renewal, we have our best opportunity to change the world.

Seriously, open your eyes. You have been around the block way too many times to subscribe to some bullshit notion that 'their' side is dirtier than 'your' side.

I partially agree with you here, the difference is questioning ones military service is by far a taboo.

It is kind of like your feelings about past presidents talking about current ones.

Military service, medals and such should never ever be questioned as a character flaw, but a character positive. To do so undermines the military as a whole.

"Backstabbing is an acient art around these parts"

Now that's Horace, still whining about the fact that I didn't stick up for him when he started insulting everyone here. What's the matter, Horace? Is your blog that dead?

Troll? A small grumpy man who lives under a bridge.

Lisa,
Whew! Just needed to make sure things weren't really wierd in my life. The funniest part of the story was when she told me that I should - under no circumstances - tell my wife that we were working together. I said that she had to be kidding, I needed to tell my wife at the soonest opportunity. Otherwise, they may end up meeting at the office Christmas party and she would wonder about all of those "business trips."

Seriously, though, I dated a wonderful doctor named Lisa for two years while I was in college. She couldn't resolve my whole military career, so we ended up splitting up amicably.

"what is a TROLL?"

Somebody who just picks fights and "insult fests" as you put it so well.

Joe,

I hit hard at ya because I think you should voice more of your hard opinions of actual incidents rather than sit on the fence so to speak weaving and dodging with words of condiscention or demeaning questioning.

PWZ: I'm not sure, but for some reason the phrase "if you have to ask, you'll never understand" pops to mind. Whatever the hell that means...

I'll take Bill's definition of that one for sure.

Crassus, what happened? Didn't you want to talk about how I posted my thoughts on various threads today? Or are you going to do what you usually do when proven to be talking out of your ass, and just pretend you didn't see my post?

"...so to speak weaving and dodging with words of condiscention or demeaning questioning."

Condiscention: The odor of the Secretary of States perfume"

" I dated a wonderful doctor named Lisa for two years while I was in college. She couldn't resolve my whole military career, so we ended up splitting up amicably."

Well, my own doctor said I should have been a doctor...does that count?? lol!

I agree. You should tell your wife and the reason being...out of respect for her.

Honesty is always the best policy!

There you are, Crassus. The posts are really flying tonight. I personally don't care what you think of my ratio of posts to demeaning questions, but to say that I never post my own thoughts was a lie. Now here comes bill to whine about me using the word "lie."

Joe,

I have not gone to those posts yet, just got back from a long motorcycle cruise and am warming up on the thread everyone seems to be on.

90 degrees with 70 mile per hour wind in the face, rumble of the motor, and the picture perfect mountains, lakes, dams, rivers, and forests to motor on through. Yipes, what a great ride.

Bill:

Now you're catching on.

Stop and think....who else besides Bore-us always wanted me to debate him??? Jackass/Rex.

Doesn't "PWZ" fit that bill (no pun intended), as well?

Word for word, his posts are exactly the same.

Wrong Joe, I was just about to defend you. But Crassus wasn't lying, he was just mistaken.

Wow, that sounds like a great ride. Where are you located? AZ?

Go have yourself a good cry, Jackass. I'm sure you'll be trolling here tomorrow unless RCADE sees these posts and boots your ass out again.

pwz- what video game you playing? I'm stuck on San Andras again.

Have a good night.

Since people are getting the benefit of the doubt, I would like the same treatment.

"Crassus wasn't lying, he was just mistaken."

He's here enough to know I post my own thoughts. He deliberately said otherwise.

Lisa, I don't doubt that Tron is Horace, but pwz? We'll see.

Since people are getting the benefit of the doubt, I would like the same treatment.

Posted by tron at 2006-09-06 01:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nah. I checked your old blog history through cached google. All you did was suck the ass of the three stooges, jackass/rex/horace. probably because you are one.

So you're either lying about who you are, or you're a groupie for fucktards.

But if you never thought any thoughts and posted thoughts anyway, then you would be posting the thoughts which were thought up by other thinkers.

"Since people are getting the benefit of the doubt, I would like the same treatment."

Kiss my ass.

The others might be fooled by PWZ, and you, but I'm not.

Go back to PWZ and stay there.

RCADE you would need to remove the exile status from his account for him to respond to you. I know it's easy for you to claim victory when you have handcuffed your opponent but you might at least try fighting fair.

Posted by tron at 2006-06-21 10:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mmmm that whine needs some cheese.

Sorry all,
Going to bed.

Cosmic, this is not evasion, we just disagree on this issue. Part of our success is built on our economy and our exploitation of the third world. That isn't going to change in the near future, but we have done things to benefit them - polio vaccine, malaria medication, etc. Yet, a certain portion of our economy is based on pulling resources at minimal cost from third-world countries. Renewable resources provide a strong alternative, yet we may not be investing the GDP in this that we should. Maybe that should change, November will tell. Either way, I will respect both sides for their right to have an opinion, and I will deplore partisanship. The most telling tale in recent months has been that CSPAN offers three lines in their Washington Report - Those who support the President, the Democrats, and Independents. This assumes that there is no room for moderates who are Republicans and don't necessarily support the President. I think that is a mistake. For what it is worth, that is my opinion.

"Since people are getting the benefit of the doubt, I would like the same treatment."

Why? Already in this thread you reissued your "warnings" to pwz about some of us. And pushed that tired old "backstabbing" charge.

Bill, trust me.

I figured out that 45 was Sarge's wife in two posts and no one else caught on for a month...I figured out both times LZK came back in one post both times...Derfla being Lookisfur...I can tell them all...trust me.

It's GOT to be about the saddest, most pathetic, and pitiable existance going for a person to crawl back in here under the radar and to post again under a new guise, after being permanently booted off.

That's a special kind of needy, wannabe with particularly acute self respect issues.

Get a life fellas. You don't get one by pleading to be noticed on here.

Are there any wars left? How far back in history do these Neocon clowns intend to go in making comparisons of the Iraq war?

So far Bush has compared his illegal, invented war in Iraq to being the same as WW II, the Cold War, and now our Civil War.

Posted by CalifChris at 2006-09-05 11:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

I predict this will be next:
If we don't fight them there, we'll have to throw their tea into the harbor here!

PWZ- I'm not stuck on a mission(tho some are hard)...but vice city games take forever, because for every 2 or 3 missions I play, I spend 3 hours just blowing shit up, doing cool jumps, finding easter egss, or shooting people at random. lol

I personally doubt the benefit of giving the benefit of the doubt to people who receive government benefits.
...Okay. I'm tired.

":He's here enough to know I post my own thoughts. He deliberately said otherwise."

You're no one to talk, Joe, given the way you treated Tonyroma and Danforth.

Oh, and Lisa, I give you a hug, even though we never dated.

Joe,

The great northwest, about 100 miles south of Spud.

Mount Rainier is beautiful this time of year, can ride to about 9000 ft and look at the majesty in aw.

The valleys and rivers are picturesque, if you ever make it out this way make sure it is in the summer time. It's Gods country for sure.

Good call Mr.Cairo!

That, coupled with their own site being a major flop causes them to crawl back to Drudge.

Maybe they regret being such assholes when they were allowed here.

Naw.

Well thanks Unbiased...hugs right back to ya!!

I admit it is nice to come in and gain an easy victory every now and then. I need to come buy a little more often.

Wouldn't it be cool if we all posted each other thoughts and then tried to guess who was who?

It's GOT to be about the saddest, most pathetic, and pitiable existance going for a person to crawl back in here under the radar and to post again under a new guise, after being permanently booted off.

That's a special kind of needy, wannabe with particularly acute self respect issues.

Get a life fellas. You don't get one by pleading to be noticed on here.

Posted by MrCairo at 2006-09-06 02:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

Niceville's got another new name too.

I admit it is nice to come in and gain an easy victory every now and then. I need to come buy a little more often.

Posted by tron at 2006-09-06 02:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

Told ya it was horace. All he did was whine about people and attack. Then he claims victory in some great debate that only occured in his head.

That's a special kind of needy, wannabe with particularly acute self respect issues.

No, it shows the abilities of the people who frequent here and wanting to have intelligent discussions with good push back.

People here tend to give as good as they get, when it crawls to trolling then ideas fail to flow.

I have learn much here, many books have I read, partially do to Bill and suggestions in like related subjects but others too.

I like staying up late with the Retort because that's when all the really smart discussions occur. :)

"I need to come buy a little more often."

You need to learn the proper meaning of a word, dumb ass.

I hope your stay is short lived.

Again...claiming victory when there clearly wasn't one....typical of you Bore-us.

"I admit it is nice to come in and gain an easy victory every now and then. I need to come buy a little more often."

What victory was that, Horace?

"You're no one to talk, Joe, given the way you treated Tonyroma and Danforth."

Tony deserved every minute of it, and probably more. He called names before anyone, insulted my intelligence in an extremely arrogant manner, and on top of it was wrong about everything. On reflection I do feel bad for what I said to danforth, because he is a much more legitimate and humble poster than tony.

Crss- Ive learned a lot here too...which is why I get so disappointed when the site is hijacked by posters with 2 inches of self esteem.(thats you horace)

Bill- maybe he managed to control his bladder upon seeing us again. Ok, not plausible.

I find it funny that people come here for a win or lose situation. I find it more enjoyable by learning what other people think that is not towing in my line, it gives me diversity of thought and ideas I have not thought about.

Oh poor Joe. Tony called names first. Is this grade school or what?

And if anyone wants to know, Nicevilles new name is Drhanszarkov.

Crassus, that sounds amazing. I'm in such a flat part of the country that the only way to reach even 500 feet is to get into an elevator.

Alex, Bill:

Bore-us is delusional. Leave it at that.

Now Bill...do you really think it coincidence that Bore-us just happens to show up at the same thread that "PWZ" was on, while "PWZ" was claiming to be his first time here...oh.....and his handle is "PWZ"??

I'm telling you....it's the goon platoon...and stupid as ever!

Lisa all you ever had was your attack on typos. Never have you used substance just petty insults. PWZ is wise to have so quickly decided to stay away from you. I along with my brethren wish we would have figured this out long ago.

"Is this grade school or what?"

You know that I debate you according to the level you degrade the conversation to. If you don't like what we're talking about, then shut up or talk about something else.

Kiss my ass, Bore-us.

All you have are false claims to victory.

No debating skills. Oz debated you face first into the ground. All you did was ask questions...why??? Because you have nothing, you prove nothing, except that you are nothing.

Go back to that failed blog of yours.

Joe,

Crassus, that sounds amazing. I'm in such a flat part of the country that the only way to reach even 500 feet is to get into an elevator.

LOL!!!!

I have been all over the world and the one thing I know without a doubt is there is no place like the U.S. and even better is Washington is so damn beautiful it makes me absolutely know their is a God.

Wish there was a sight I could post pictures, yo'all would love them.

Stop crying, Joe. You're boring me. And everybody else.

Lisa all you ever had was your attack on typos. Never have you used substance just petty insults. PWZ is wise to have so quickly decided to stay away from you. I along with my brethren wish we would have figured this out long ago.

Posted by tron at 2006-09-06 02:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

You still haven't figured it out. You're still posting to her and claiming phantom victories. Just spring for the thai boy and leave us alone.

Lisa- remember the 4 hour debate with me begging horace to just debate something? *sigh*

"Wish there was a sight I could post pictures, yo'all would love them."

Email Oz, sweetie...he'll show you how.

LMAO!!!

That's right, Alex. Bore-us the Wonder Idiot kept dodging.

" while "PWZ" was claiming to be his first time here...oh.....and his handle is "PWZ"??

Lisa, pwz has been around for a few days, and was debating Buffalo Bob on a conspiracy thread several days ago, not just today. I remember because I asked him about his handle, and he told me the straight story.

Crassus, I've always planned to visit washington, the closest I've been is northern california. I will definitely check it out some day.

Innie,

Email Oz? I have yours but not his.

You can post pictures for free on slide.com, photobucket.com, and kodakgallery.com to name a few.

Joe,

Crassus, I've always planned to visit washington, the closest I've been is northern california. I will definitely check it out some day.

Going on a 3 day ride next week through the Redwoods in Northern Cal, it will be great. Down the coastline along the beaches and small towns, can't collect to many things for the bike won't carry that much.....LOL!

If you want to debate Horace then go to PWZ and challenge him. It wasn't his fault that the train schedule is what it was. You can't expect a man to sleep in his office to finish a debate can you?

Crass:

Pull up his name, he has an email available for Drudge. He'd be glad to tell you how to do it.

Joe,

pictures for free, just don't want to throw out my address for everyone, to many problems to the home site if you know what I mean.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure those sites will allow you to share your pictures with a link, without having to give anyone your email.

Sure, sure...blame it on the train schedule.

You managed to posts dodges for four hours but you couldn't manage to start, much less finish a debate with Alex.

What an idiot!

"If you want to debate Horace then go to PWZ and challenge him."

Yawn. Same old Horace.

BTW Bore-us...I had the good sense to reject your loser blog from the get go.

Too bad you didn't have good sense to stay out of here!

Bill:

I'm telling you....PWZ is a troll...working with Horace.

You are going to HATE having to tell me you were wrong and I was right...lol!

It wasn't his fault that the train schedule is what it was. You can't expect a man to sleep in his office to finish a debate can you?

lol. You're either horace, or his waterboy. Hor had 4 hours to debate me.

He waffled.

And all he did was ask Ozark questions and then claimed victory. You/Your hero sucks.

Oz said you can download Picasa from google, Crass.

Well, it's late and I'm tired of beating trolls on the nose with a rolled up newspaper.

You all have a great evening......what's left of it.

Ciao!

I don't think picasa enables you to share pictures with other people. It's more of a personal photo organization/editing program. If wrong, I apologize.

Oz is on his way to clarify. I may have screwed something up. I think it was my mistake, Joe.

That's cool. I didn't know about picasa webalbums. Google has everything.

Lisa admits she was wrong about something. In other breaking news hell has just frozen over.

Tron- you know horaces work schedule?
Are you are Horace, or his boyfriend?

Neither. Horace just explained the situation to all of his bloggers about what really happened. He was gathering hos notes and he was forced to leave otherwise he was stranded till the next morning.

Well, he lied.

Cuz he had 4 hours with me.

And plenty of time with ozark.

The "train" bit was when he ran away from boyd.

Nobody cares, Horace. Now run along back to your own blog. Don't force me to drop in there and stir up stuff.

Alexandrite would you like another shot at the title? I'm sure Horace can be persuaded for one last appearance here.

"Horace just explained the situation to all of his bloggers about what really happened."

Sounds like some sort of blogger support group. Why would that come up? Did people ask him to share his feelings on "the incident?"

Alexandrite would you like another shot at the title? I'm sure Horace can be persuaded for one last appearance here.

Posted by tron at 2006-09-06 02:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Whatever horace. Two times you couldn't get it up. Email me when you get some viagra.

"the title"

ahahahaha!

O'Reilly I know you don't want another go around with Rex. He has proven more than capable of handling you on multiple occasions.

"some sort of blogger support group"

Great another 12 step.

Of course the first step is admit you have a "problem" hahaha...

"Hi, my name is (hmmm, which handle to use?) and I'm a Drudgie..."

"you're very persistant, tron"

"im also better than you"

lol

Scoot along Horace. We don't need your trolling here.

Come on you guys -- admit you really have missed Horace.

CC- I've never met a bloviating jackoff quite like him, I'll say that.

Thank God I was smart enough from the get go to not support this ILLEGAL adventure. It must Royally suck for those who supported it then and the ones who continue to support it That would seriously be sickening to be one of those who contune to support this Fucked Up Administration. How do You guys really and truly live with Yourselves??

Larry

Come on you guys -- admit you really have missed Horace.

Posted by CalifChris at 2006-09-06 03:13 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Nah not hardly. He is as useless as tits on a Boar Hog as far as debating goes. I'd rather have my eye teeth pulled without Novacaine Thank You very much.

Larry

Contrary to what Condi seems to think about the civil war and Iraq it seems that she is still a slave to the rich white plantation owner who is willing to sacrifice other people's kids lives while at the same time refuses to even pay the taxes to pay for the bullets.
If one wanted to make a valid comparison between the Iraq war and our previous wars it would have to be concerning the wealthy class's unwillingness to pay their share of the costs. In any other era they would not have been considered patriots if they demanded tax cuts while our soldiers are sent to fight. The folks who supported the tax cuts during war time for the first time in American history are anything but patriotic. When one American is asked to put his/her life on the line for policies he/she may or may not even agree with it is the very least that those with the money could part with a little to make sure those at risk are provided every possible protection but they weren't and it is a stain on the Republican party which should never be forgotten by voters. Apparently, the Republicans care more about their own dollars than about the soldier's lives.

"Come on you guys -- admit you really have missed Horace."

About as much as I miss periods.

Lisa gets the first funny flag today.

The Bush administration gets more creative with their non-logic as they get more desperate to convince America that we should remain in Iraq.

Next week, I predict....
Bush: "We're freeing the slaves over there so we won't have to do it here!"

Lisa- out with the old, in with the new. ahahahaha.

C'mon, now, does anyone even buy this b.s. nowdays?

Sounds to me as a pleading to the party extremists. Hmm... what's bad... ummm... the Nazis were pretty bad fellas.. oh.. and slavery.. most people -- 'cept maybe in the deep south -- think that's pretty bad too.

They either think you are *that* stupid, or you are.

Don't some of you tire of being spoken to by people such as Condi-scending as an adult would explain something important to a small child or retarded person? "You see, a loooong time ago, there were these bad men, and they owned other people as slaves..."

About as much as I miss periods.

Posted by Lisa

Omigosh....Have you told Oz yet? ;^)

"Omigosh....Have you told Oz yet?"

Alright, alright...let's not start that rumor.

I had a procedure to stop them for five years because they were that bad.

Do you really want to discuss periods?

Didn't think so.

How's your breakfast?

Lisa...

I'm not squeemish in the least regarding to the cycle. I did read a very funny story years ago speculating what it would be like if men menstruated from our privates. The analogies were off the charts funny. Can you imagine what babies we'd be if we went through what women did on a monthly basis?

Back in the day, the standard question was "How do you spell relief? P-e-r-i-o-d. Nuff said.

The right is so busy trying to keep up the snow job. It's the middle of the freakin summer for Christ sake. I'm mad. I'm fed up. What would happen if we stopped providing ducks for the Iraqi shooting gallery. Will Iraq not fall into sectarion conflict? Will Iran not gain influence in the former land of their enemy. Will Al Queada stop plotting to kill us. No none of these will cease to come to pass. Iraq is the initial mistake of the twenty first century. A lot of people have died, a lot more will die. We need to stop the slaughter of America next generation in the alleys and streets of Iraq. This solve's nothing!

Condi rice is an idiot.

"Secretary of State Rice compared the Iraq war with the American Civil War, telling a magazine that slavery might have lasted longer in this country if the North had decided to end the fight early. "I know there were people who said, 'Why don't we get out of this now, take a peace with the South, but leave the South with slaves?'" Rice said."

Oh Condi, and I did respect (very briefly) you! Now you've gone and done it, girl. How stupid are you? Your argument holds no water because slavery is not why we are in Iraq in the first place. We went there because your Command in Thief told us there were WMD there and because Saddam Hussien is considered nutso, we had to go get them before he did something really stupid!

You see, Condi, the South was left with slaves, although no one called them that anymore. Now they are called tenant farmers, but you would know that because you are from Alabama, right? Y'all did learn that in school, right? Y'all did learn that in college, right?

Oh Condi, how you do continue to disappoint me! If you are going to compare civil wars, shouldn't you then look at your Commander in Idiocy and say we shouldn't be there because IT IS A CIVIL WAR? Between those who live in that country, and not US?

Come on, Condi, don't open your mouth again until you are sure of that which you speak! Don't take on slavery, girlfriend, unless you are willing to go all the way....to Africa, to China, to Saudi Arabia, to Cuba, etc., etc., etc.

Please, Condi, don't disappoint me again, okay?

MotherFrocker

Condi rice is an idiot.

True statement.

She only appears to be brilliant because she can pronounce words and doesn't ask herself stupid questions all day long.

Condi's point has merit. More than Rummy's. Maybe she's not on Rummy's sida after all.

Still, the neocons and Dubya sure sold us a bill of goods in 2002/2003. How many people like to feel like a gullible guppy?

Pure Rovian crapola. Slap as many names up on the wall under big letters spelling "TERROR" "YOU DIE" "BE AFRAID" "DEMOCRATS WILL KILL YOUR BABIES" as you can, hoping some will stick in sheeple minds.

Hitler...fascism...Islamo-
Fascism...Al Qaeda...Stalin...Commies...Naz
is...Billy the Kid...puppy killers...child abusers...locusts...Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse...Jesse James...Lee Harvey Oswald...slavery...Spanish Inquisition...Cigarette Smoking Man...

I don't think Condi Rice is stupid I just think She has way too much Black Gold in Her veins which clouds Her Morality and ethics.


Larry

Condi is right

Well, finish the statement: "Condi is right out of her noggin."

Morning Tony!

LOL

Would we even HAVE children, if it were up to men to give birth??

You people's little blog turf wars are beyond asinine. And what in God's name does it take to get someone supposedly "banned" from this site? If the criteria have anything to do with baseless insults, profanity, obnoxiousness, inability to stay on target with anything intelligent or issue-related, et cetera... Then all of you people bitching about those "banned" getting new names and posting would all be gone yourselves. Get lives, y'all!

So do ya think it's safe to assume that this is about all Rove's got?

Dubya bitch-slapped on S.S.
Trotted out gays for a while; didn't seem to have the desired effect.
Immigration came and went like K-Fed.
Da terror card already?

My favorite analogy of Dubya is the one with the Nazis. He really ought to drop that one before America starts remembering which president's grandfather was a collaborator and profiteer.

LOL

Would we even HAVE children, if it were up to men to give birth??


Posted by Lisa at 2006-09-06 10:07 AM | Reply


I think it's Possible but the Man who would carry the Baby would have to rid Himself of all Testosterone or else it would kill the Baby. Plus it would have to come out of the Belly Button as well.

Larry

JeremyMichael-

The banned posters are generally people that like to post addresses and phone numbers of people here without their permission.

If that's OK, then list yours now.

Interesting.... How in the world would anyone on here have another poster's address and/or telephone numbers?

Maybe Condi Will Sing An Old Islamic Spiritual For Us Some Time.

What Will They Pull Out Next, Iraq is Like The Crucification On Christ ?

What Ass Clown Statement.

All Those Who Support This Administration Should Be Ashamed, Very Ashamed !

-Sarge

Those who work for this administration should be jailed. Those who for for this administration should have their citizenship revoked.

Blah, I got distracted by something over here.

Meant to say "Those who voted for..."

If Rice truly wanted to draw an analogy with our civil war, she would understand that their was not a third party fighting to keep the North and the South from killing each other. If she TRULY understood, she would recommend that we get the hell out of the way and let the Iraqis have their civil war. Our role would be limited to preventing outside forces from intervening.

**Condi: Leaving Iraq Like Allowing Slavery**

......actually its going to be more like leaving Viet Nam......

You're showing your age...Karen Carpenter if I remember correctly."

Nope..it was Judy Collins.

I sang that song in a talent show when I was in high school.

LOL

And I'm not all THAT old!!!

Posted by Lisa at 2006-09-06 01:28 AM |


I'll assume the show was a bust. You're being here is proof enough for me.

Just joking... I'm sure you have some sort of talent even if it's not readily apparent here.

oops your

Remember she only said it to the magazine for simple colored folk.

Before making the Civil War analogy perhaps Condi should have considered that black people did not really gain their freedom for another hundred years and even then only because the president sent in troops. So, what she is basicly saying is that the occupation will last up to 100 years if her analogy has any validity. I really wonder if most Americans feel that they want to commit our troops for 100 years to bring "democracy" to an area so far away that is in no way part of our nation, and which has resisted every power for hundreds of years that tried to change their way of life. I wonder how some of our reserves are going to feel after their fiftieth redeployment to Iraq.

Interesting.... How in the world would anyone on here have another poster's address and/or telephone numbers?

Posted by JeremyMichael at 2006-09-06 10:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

google search an email address. Hack an IP.

War of Northern Aggression -- Sen. Trent Lott.

War of Northern Aggression -- Sen. Trent Lott.

No No No

I was on the Parent's Council at Sewanee.
(Fact)

It's "Wawah of Nawthun' Agwessssion."

Trust me.

Data -- Sorry for the faux pas (that's fox pass).

Aggressive northern bastards.

Condi's been the biggest spinner in this stupid administration.

The only credibility she'll have left after leaving office is as a floss pitchwoman. Let's team her up with Mike Tyson and Leon Spinks. Best place for her. At least a few people would have better dental hygiene instead of tens of thousands killed and wounded in a war we didn't need, and the loss of U.S. credibility around the world.

That'll save her from obscurity - which she deserves so greatly for being complicit in horrors,

The terrorists killed three thousand innocent people on 911.

Our response. Kill 15000 innocent people in Iraq.

Our future. Kill more innocent people--give incentives to more terrorists.

"The terrorists killed three thousand innocent people on 911.

Our response. Kill 15000 innocent people in Iraq."

I thought the iraq war was based on lies about weapons of mass destruction. Now it was a response to the 9/11 attacks?

"I thought the iraq war was based on lies about weapons of mass destruction."

The President said it was about weapons of mass destruction. Then he said it wasn't. The President said it was a response to the 9/11 attacks. Then he sort of said it wasn't. Now he says that Iraq is in such disarray it could become a staging ground for terrorists unless the US stays there and suffers casualties indefinitely.

File under: mission creep.

"The President said it was a response to the 9/11 attacks."

Could you cite to a source for that?

Oh blow it out your ass, Joe. There are numerous references to 9/11 in the rhetoric leading to the Iraq war. Try following the news for a change.

I know there are references to 9/11 when Bush talks about Iraq. Saying that the Iraq war was a direct response to it, and simply referencing it, are two different things. Learn to distinguish before telling people to blow things out their asses.

How much was the president talking about attacking Iraq before 911?

The future of America. War followed by more war.

Republicans--love them or get the fuck out of America.

"How much was the president talking about attacking Iraq before 911?"

The old post hoc fallacy. Got any actual proof, bob?

Joe,

Bush started talking about attacking Iraq on Jan 30, 2000 his very first cabinet meetting.

Read the book "The Price of Loyalty" it is documented.

As Buffalo Bob's instant research shows, Bush's own speeches show he can't make his mind up about any link between Iraq, Hussein, al Qaeda and 9/11. The guy is all over the map and can't cite any evidence for any of the connective threads he attempts to pursue. He's a blood hound with duct tape over his nose.

Now he's saying that the "current situation" in Iraq is allowing Iraq to become a potential operational stage for al Qaeda. Well, who created that situation. Talk about taking a dump in the kitchen and then complaining about the taste of the waffles.

I don't know. Enlighten me.

First cabinet meeting after his first inauguration.

Jan. 30, 2000 Ten days after his inauguration.

Bush turned to Condi Rice, "What are we going to talk about today? What is on the agenda?"

"How Iraq is destabilizing the region, Mr. President, Rice said, in what several observers understood was a scripted exchange. She noted that Iraq might be the key to reshaping the entire region.
Rice said that the CIA director Tenet would offer a briefing on the latest intelligence on Iraq. Tenet pulled out a long scroll, the size of a archituectural blueprint, and flattened it on the table.
It was a grainy photograph of a factory. Tenet said that surveillance planes had just taken this photo. The CIA believed the building might be "a plant that produces either chemical or biological materials for weapons manufacture."

Soon, everyone was leaning over the photo. Tenet had a pointer.
"Here are the railroad tracks coming in...here are the trucks lined up over here...They're bringing it in here and bringing it out there...This is the water cooler."
Cheney motioned to the deputies, the backbencers, lining the wall. "Come on up," he said with uncharacteristic excitement, waving his arm. "Your have to take a look at this."

And they crowded around as well. Now, welll over a dozen people, including the President, gazed intently at the tablecloth-size photograph.
After a moment, O'Neill interjected, "I've seen a lot of factories around the world that look a lot like this one. What makes us suspect that this one is producing chemical or biological agents for weapons?"
Tenet mentioned a few items of circumstantial evidence--such as the round-the-clock rhythm of shipments in and out of the plant--but said there was "no confirming intelligence" as to the materials being produced.

"The old post hoc fallacy. Got any actual proof, bob?"

Joe knows his fallacies, Bob. He commits one every post.

There were plans on Iraq before he took office. None of the plans were Bush's. He just makes speeches--poorly. They needed 911 to make their plans viable.

Bill- you got that wrong. Joe knows his phalluses. Just kidding.

"Bush started talking about attacking Iraq on Jan 30, 2000 his very first cabinet meetting.

Read the book "The Price of Loyalty" it is documented."

Thanks Crassus. This would lend credibility to my argument that attacking Iraq had little to do with 9/11.

Bob,

"Got a link to a speech Bush made before 911 stating Saddam had WMDs and we needed to get him or that we needed to attack Iraq to bring democracy and freedom to the Iraqi people or any of the other horseshit reasons we are there now?"

You're still not being logical. Just because one thing happens after another, does not mean the first event caused the other. You'll have to do better than that.

"The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East."

That speech doesn't say that the Iraq war is a response to 9/11. There are other US conflicts in the Middle East right now, fyi.

"Joe knows his fallacies, Bob. He commits one every post."

Apparently except in the posts directed at you that you never respond to. If there were a logical fallacy in my 12:54AM post, I'm sure you would have pointed it out. Instead you decided to troll instead of continue the debate. Never seen that from you before.

Joe --the speech ties 911 to the Iraq War---or should I say Freedom Agenda. To blatantly lie when the sentence is right in front of your face and mine and the whole fucking world shows the extent of your brainwashing.

Linking the two events and saying one is a direct result of the other are two different things. First you say there was a cause and effect relationship, now you say the events are simply "linked." Which is it Bob?

Thanks Crassus. This would lend credibility to my argument that attacking Iraq had little to do with 9/11.

Posted by JOE at 2006-09-07 08:32 AM | Reply


Without 911 there would have been no Freedom Agenda in Iraq. Iraq was surrounded--Saddam didn't even control his own airspace---he had been controlled for ten years.

That's why Bush mentions 911 everytime he mentions Iraq---he needs to feed the fear for his war.

You're still not being logical. Just because one thing happens after another, does not mean the first event caused the other. You'll have to do better than that. - JOE

Joe, your sense of what constitutes 'logic' attempts to be meticulous but you simply adjust it to suit your argument.

The above quote is typical. It depends. If you consume food and later have a bowel movement, the first event caused the second.

But if Bush said, as he did on August 21:

REPORTER: A lot of the consequences you mentioned for pulling out seem like maybe they never would have been there if we hadn't gone in. How do you square all of that?

PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: I square it, because -- imagine a world in which you had Saddam Hussein who had the capacity to make a weapon of mass destruction, who was paying suiciders to kill innocent life, who would -- who had relations with Zarqawi. Imagine what the world would be like with him in power. The idea is to try to help change the Middle East.

Now, look, I didn't -- part of the reason we went into Iraq was -- the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn't, but he had the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction. But I also talked about the human suffering in Iraq, and I also talked the need to advance a freedom agenda. And so my question -- my answer to your question is, is that -- imagine a world in which Saddam Hussein was there, stirring up even more trouble in a part of the world that had so much resentment and so much hatred that people came and killed 3,000 of our citizens.

You know, I've heard this theory about, you know, everything was just fine until we arrived, and then, you know, kind of that we're going to stir up the hornet's nest theory. It just -- just doesn't hold water, as far as I'm concerned. The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East.

To me, that says: Without 9/11, we would not have attacked Iraq. I don't see why you don't see it, other than you're an apologist for the Bush agenda, which you have said you aren't.

First you say there was a cause and effect relationship, now you say the events are simply "linked." Which is it Bob?

Posted by JOE at 2006-09-07 08:49 AM | Reply | Flag


What kind of twisted logic is that. There is a cause and effect and they are linked as far as Bush tries to sell people. Bush will tie 911 to the Iraq war like he did in the quote, and the very next sentence he will deny Iraq had anything to do with 911---and the very next sentence he the Freedom Agenda is because the terrorists attacked us and killed 3000 people. The same thing you do---no wonder you can't see--you're brainwashed. Was your comment supposed to make some sort of sense?

"If there were a logical fallacy in my 12:54AM post, I'm sure you would have pointed it "

That's what I like about you, Joe. You always take the bait. Hahaha.

from the March 14, 2003 edition

WASHINGTON In his prime-time press conference last week, which focused almost solely on Iraq, President Bush mentioned Sept. 11 eight times. He referred to Saddam Hussein many more times than that, often in the same breath with Sept. 11.

Bush never pinned blame for the attacks directly on the Iraqi president. Still, the overall effect was to reinforce an impression that persists among much of the American public: that the Iraqi dictator did play a direct role in the attacks. A New York Times/CBS poll this week shows that 45 percent of Americans believe Mr. Hussein was "personally involved" in Sept. 11, about the same figure as a month ago.

"Joe, the fact that we were going into Iraq before we were hit on 9/11 doesn't negate what the President said to the American people and the world to "justify" the Iraq war."

No, but it does negate Buffalo Bob's argument that "because Bush didn't talk about Iraq before 9/11, that means the Iraq war is a response to 9/11."

"Was your comment supposed to make some sort of sense?"

Sure bob. There's a difference between events being linked, and events being
"because of" one another. Terrorist attacks on your country can make you more responsive to perceived threats. That doesn't mean that when you respond to a separate, perceived threat, that your response is a direct result of the aforementioned terrorist attack.

Joe, the quote you're referring to is not Bob's. It is President Bush's remark in (I believe) his 2nd speech this week. The "quotes" you gave Bob do not exist - they are a paraphrase of your interpretation of what Bob has said. Putting the words in quotes might lead one to believe Bob actually said such a thing.

In fact, Bob's point is entirely different and the opposite of your postulate.

As you have so carefully parsed things in the past, I'm surprised about your reading and apparent equivocation on this point. The quote:

The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East. - Bush

"Started" can only mean launched the invasion within the context of what we now know and what Bush himself has said.