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Sunday, September 03, 2006

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - There is substantial support among U.S. Senate Democrats for a resolution demanding the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, a senior Democrat said on Sunday. [Reuters]

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this attempt to silence runseld and others in the administration simply wont work.....maybe in the 'land of chronkite' from a galaxy far away and a long time ago but it wont work now..........

tell me anything in his speach having to do with WHO THE ENEMY is was wrong....just anything.......

Soon the Congress will show as little confidence in the Bush administration as the rest of America does.

If not now, pretty soon. This is actually a really great move, politically, since it puts the Republifundies into a "put up or shut up" stance regarding their masters in the Executive Branch.

If they really are against the war and the failures of the Bush Administration, let the Congressional Republifundies prove it by voting No Confidence. Otherwise, it's all just talk.

So BLT, care to tell us who we are fighting? If there is some worldwide IslamoFascist organization, who is it's leader? If you guys can be catching 2000000 people from the #3 position, who is the #1?

Or is it all just a load of horse shit?

Do answer, it should be amusing.

tell me anything in his speach having to do with WHO THE ENEMY is was wrong....just anything.......

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2006-09-03 09:21 PM

The first thing that is wrong that comes to mind is that Rumsfeld is the one giving the "speach."
But you're actually right that this effort won't work. Rummy ain't going anywhere unless he chooses to, or until there's a Democratic majority in Congress.

The Rumsfeld speech, like nearly everything we are going to hear over the next two months from the Bush-Cheney folks, is not intended to persuade critics or win over doubters. It is too late for that, and it won't work anyway.

Nope. This is red meat to get out the conservative base for the November elections. That is the strategy for holding a GOP majority in Congress. If you believe Rumsfeld's tripe, you are already in the Bush camp.

This is to get Mr. Conservative jazzed up to get off his or her behind and get to the polls to defeat "appeasers who want to use only law enforcement to make a separate peace with violent terrorists so they can go back to blaming America."

All the more reason for Democrats, independents and those Republicans who see the light to get out there as well. The best response to Rumsfeld and his ilk is in the polling booth.

Throw the bums out.

Oh dear, did BLT get chased out of the thread?

How sad.

time for some beers & TV for Texas attorney Bushlovertwo:>)LOL

Ever hear Rumsfeld respond when he's grilled? He uses the same tactic everytime. Instead of answering the questions posed, he dodges the questions and starts asking his own questions and answers them. "Do I think Iraq has problems, yes they do...Do I think Iraq is better off without Saddam, of course they are" He did this when Hillary hung him by his nuts last month on the hill.

What piece of excrement

Sounds a lot like payback for the Reps doing the stay or cut and run vote to insult Murtha.
Let's see which Republicans support Rummy's losing war effort, then go to their voters saying they are not the Admin's whores.

There is substantial support among U.S. Senate Democrats for a resolution demanding the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, a senior Democrat said on Sunday.

How stupid is this, finding a fall guy because the real problem is just too hard.

Dems are idiots if they keep this kind of crap up.

Now I don't care for Rummy but this is just bad politics, the worst.

The problem is in the big house, that is who they should focus on and keep the focus on him.

This does nothing but divert the goal away.

Bush is loving this type of politics as all republicans, it will be huge ammo come election time.

"Dems are idiots if they keep this kind of crap up."

There are many republicans who want Rumsfeld gone. Even Bill Kristol, one of the biggest neo-cons, wants Rumsfeld out.

Congress has the duty of oversight. It's about time someone did something to hold this administration accountable.

If you are an executive VP of a corporation in charge of a division and you say things like Rumsfield did in pre-Iraq War testimony, you'd be fired in a heartbeat.

He was wrong about everything:

"I just can't see how we'll be there in 3, 5..months, I can't see how it would be 6 months"

"To say that we'll need 500,000 troops to secure the peace is just ridiculous"

"There is no doubt Saddam Hussein posesses weapons of mass destruction that pose an imminent threat to the United States"

etc etc etc

Want me to go on? You'd fire him if he made predictions like that that put your corporation in financial jeopardy, killed and wounded tens of thousands of your employees, and destroyed your PR image the world ove. In a heartbeat.

They are the governmental equivalent of Enron.

Keep buying Enron stock, Fundies. America will be better off with you guys on the bottom.

AllAmerican,

Want me to go on? You'd fire him if he made predictions like that that put your corporation in financial jeopardy, killed and wounded tens of thousands of your employees, and destroyed your PR image the world ove. In a heartbeat.


The firing should be done by his boss, not by a collected vote. If the man is not doing his job to HIS BOSS' liking then his boss fires him.

The focus should be on HIS BOSS for allowing non performance. The collective group goes after the leader when the leader doesn't do his job.

Obamavoter- yeah, watching Rummy interrogate himself is creepy.

Crassus:

This is a good idea, because it forces the Republifundies running for election to actually take a stand against Rummy and his bad decisions, or else they can't say anything bad about Bush and the bungling of Iraq.

Then, when they don't do anything, they are forced to stand beside the president and his disastrous decisions. They can't criticize and brag about what great, decisive leaders they are if they fail to take opportunities to do something to make a positive change.

And NOBODY, left or right, can defend Rummy and his disastrous policies. But the Republifundies won't criticize Rummy because they are still creatures of the preznit, doing his bidding, rubber stamping his legislation, asking how high when he says jump.

This does a great job of negating the "Election Year Republifundie Effect", with all the Republitards distancing themselves from George Dubai, giving tiny criticisms of him, etc., in their limp efforts to prove they aren't his cronies.

So this is what JustSomeLoser does all night!

HEY VERN.....FUCK YOU... ASSHOLE!

IS THAT PLAIN ENIUGH FOR YOU VERN? OR WOILD YOU LIKE SOME "GIBBERISH"?

Rummys not going to be easy to dismiss. Hes a guy with sharp elbows who grew up in the tough democracy of Chicago politics in the 1930s, 40s, 50s, and 60s. A bright, athletic, (and at the time) moderate-conservative, he won a long-shot run for Congress in 196, a few months after his 30th birthday. He soon found himself maneuvering into the inner-sanctum of GOP politics during the tumultuous 1960s.

Within the Nixon and then Ford White Houses, Rummy elbowed and jockeyed for power, even with the likes of that then youthful and ambitious politician Richard Cheney. Henry Kissinger called Rumsfeld the "most ruthless man he ever met" (and Kissinger was a guy who met Mao Tse-tung and Augusto Pinochet, not to mention himself).

His rocket-like run-up in power began when President Gerald Ford appointed Rumsfeld to be his Chief of Staff. (September 1974). A year later he became the youngest SECDEF. In December 1983, as Reagan's envoy, Rumsfeld met with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and reopened relations between the United States and Iraq that hadn't existed since 1967. In 1984 he met with Tariq Aziz, telling the Iraqi foreign minister that the United States squarely supports Saddam's regime. He also characterized America's recent condemnation of their using chemical weapons was made "strictly" in principle. Subsequently, he became involved in efforts to open oil pipelines across Iraq.

In the 1970s, as CEO at GD Searle he ruthlessly relocated the entire headquarters of the embattled pharmaceutical company in a show of power with the board that had just hired him. During the days when the GOP was out of power, he aspired to out-fox his Ford administration pal, Cheney, and to maneuver his way back into the White House, but never got back onto that track. He still used dirty ball to advance his cause. In 1996, Tom Brokaw, taped from a satellite transmission that he did not know was being broadcast the following quote: "Rummy used to get even with guys in the White House by leaking stuff to Rather that didn't have any basis in fact."

Along with many other former Reagan administration defense officials, he was a charter member of a group that would eventually call itself the Project for the New American Century (PNAC). As early as 1997, many insiders from this group were involved in picking Texas's new governor, George Dubya Bush, as the GOP's next presidential candidate. As this nucleus of insiders coalesced within conservative circles, Rummy joined them in January 1998, in sending an open letter urging President Clinton to develop "a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power."

As the country's oldest SECDEF, Rummy was one of the vulcans, organizing early military actions against Saddam, and a tough military stand to develop a US dominance strategy for the 21st century. Confronted with large goals and small budgets, his revolutionary DOD "transformation" theories emphasized stealth and air power over land power and mass. As the principle architect of the Bush Administrations plan to overthrow Saddam, he publicly diminished the importance of settling scores with UBL and other and emphasized the tenuous connections between Saddam and global terrorism. The rest, as they say, is history.

There is no way Rummy will go easily.

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1962!

1962!

Rummy's not going to be easy to dismiss. He's a guy with sharp elbows who grew up in the tough democracy of Chicago politics in the 1930s, 40s, 50s, and 60s. A bright, athletic, (and at the time) moderate-conservative, he won a long-shot run for Congress in 1962, a few months after his 30th birthday. He soon found himself maneuvering into the inner-sanctum of GOP politics during the tumultuous 1960s.

Within the Nixon and then Ford White Houses, Rummy elbowed and jockeyed for power, even with the likes of that then youthful and ambitious politician Richard Cheney. Henry Kissinger called Rumsfeld the "most ruthless man he ever met" (and Kissinger was a guy who met Mao Tse-tung and Augusto Pinochet, not to mention himself).

His rocket-like run-up in power began when President Gerald Ford appointed Rumsfeld to be his Chief of Staff. (September 1974). A year later he became the youngest SECDEF. In December 1983, as Reagan's envoy, Rumsfeld met with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and reopened relations between the United States and Iraq that hadn't existed since 1967. In 1984 he met with Tariq Aziz, telling the Iraqi foreign minister that the United States squarely supports Saddam's regime. He also characterized America's recent condemnation of their using chemical weapons was made "strictly" in principle. Subsequently, he became involved in efforts to open oil pipelines across Iraq.

In the 1970s, as CEO at GD Searle he ruthlessly relocated the entire headquarters of the embattled pharmaceutical company in a show of power with the board that had just hired him. During the days when the GOP was out of power, he aspired to out-fox his Ford administration pal, Cheney, and to maneuver his way back into the White House, but never got back onto that track. He still used dirty ball to advance his cause. In 1996, Tom Brokaw, taped from a satellite transmission that he did not know was being broadcast the following quote: "Rummy used to get even with guys in the White House by leaking stuff to Rather that didn't have any basis in fact."

Along with many other former Reagan administration defense officials, he was a charter member of a group that would eventually call itself the Project for the New American Century (PNAC). As early as 1997, many insiders from this group were involved in picking Texas's new governor, George Dubya Bush, as the GOP's next presidential candidate. As this nucleus of insiders coalesced within conservative circles, Rummy joined them in January 1998, in sending an open letter urging President Clinton to develop "a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power."

As the country's oldest SECDEF, Rummy was one of the vulcans, organizing early military actions against Saddam, and a tough military stand to develop a US dominance strategy for the 21st century. Confronted with large goals and small budgets, his DOD "transformation" theories emphasized stealth and air power over land power. As the principle architect of the Bush Administration's plan to overthrow Saddam, he publicly diminished the importance of settling scores with UBL and other and emphasized the tenuous connections between Saddam and global terrorism. The rest, as they say, is history.

There is no way Rummy will go easily.

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Ceassus: How stupid is this, finding a fall guy because the real problem is just too hard.

so you agree we need to impeach Bush?

Great Posts by T&C and FDR Dem on this thread as always!

Rumsfilled should go!

Any way ya look at it. His notion of having a "leaner meaner" fighting force went completely counter to Powells "overwhelming force" doctrine.

Rumfeld is not only "the most ruthless man" Kissinger ever met. He is also one of the most corrupt, it seems.

How so?

Spud reckons it this way, Rumsfeld would rather spend American tax dollars on weapons systems and stuff rather than the men and women who serve in the armed services.

Why is that?

Spud has no proof, of course, but Spud largely suspects that you get a bigger kickback from people who sell weapon systems than from people who have kids who enter military service.

Just a hunch!

A hunch that would certainly go a long way towards explaining why he's always got money fer the toys but none fer the boys!

More on topic?

This is a purely political move that will accomplish nothing other than allowing some more repubs to distance themselves from the war criminals of BushCo and maybe just maybe survive the blowback to come.

"Even if such a resolution passed, it would not be binding on President George W. Bush's administration."

Dummy has allegedly recieved Rummy's resignation a coupla times afore this and they were not accepted.

There is no reason to imagine they would be now.

Be Well.

Rummy will be the token sacrifice, hoping to buy the GOPhers a couple of years to scrape up any crumbs that may be left in American pockets, The buck stops with Rummy? Let's hope not. herm

CRASSUS

I couldn't agree with you more that Rummy's boss needs to fire him. But since he won't, and since we can't fire Bush, the only alternative left is exactly what is being suggested. Fire Rumsfield by any means neccessary. He's totally incompotent - or worse, knows exactly what he's doing - which is even worse.
So, if the CEO won't fire him or accept his resignation, then it is up to the "Board of Directors", to fire him.

Rummy will be fired, the troops will come home, and Bush and the Republifundies will whine and pule about his lame duck status.

Hopefully there will be accountability again, and there will be impeachments. Start with Cheney, bounce around, and finish with the preznit.

Spud! Thanks -- Hope you had a good weekend.

"Spud! Thanks"

T&C! Yer Welcome!

"Hope you had a good weekend"

Spud lives in paradise.
All weekends are good.

"Every day's a holiday
and nightime's a party too!"

Woo Hoo!

Hope you had an excellent weekend as well.

Be Well.

Did they indict Rove yet? Bwhahahah!!!

JMFJ:

How long did it take for the Republifailures to find no wrongdoing with Whitewater?

Fitzgerald already has Rove perjuring himself on the record. Since you want to know what the definition of "is" is, I'm amazed you aren't crying for Rove's head on a silver platter. After all, it wasn't REALLY about the BJ, was it? Huh? Was it?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Go Republitards!

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