to who it may concern!!
Why don't you soak your socks in diesel fuel that will keep the ants off your candy ass.

Jollybull can testify it works because he tried it.

Luckily Bush will want the Iran regime change to be his legacy and there will certainly be a military operation at some point. Despite Ray's claims with his usual lack of any basis except his own bias and "feeling" that everything is Israel and Israel is everything - Israel will have little to do with the ultimate operation. Fact is Iranian missiles can reach Europe and they've made it quite clear they have just as many problems with the UK as they do with the Great Satan, the United States. Also, Germany may come along in some supportive capacity, and this mostly as a result of Merkel horror to realize after her receipt of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's letter about how the defeated Nazi Germany was used by the allies who made up the Holocaust ... that piece of "reasoning" horrified Merkel who's been much more focused on this crisis then ever before. No Ray and the other usual "lets hide our heads in the sand and appease Mahmoud Ahmadinejad until he can consolidate influence and power throughout the Middle East and use a combo of nuclear power and oil to blackmail the west" - Iran must and will be dealt with. Ahmadinejad anti semitic rhetoric is designed for rubes exactly like Ray and JSG to make it appear that any attack on them will be because the Jews who have the west in their grip have manipulated them into it - old time tried and true anti semitic tactic - Oh its the Jews and they are the cause of everything ... won't work. There are thankfully more who understand this is very serious business and not at all like Iraq's WMD ... and Iranian missile tests have signaled their ability to deliver a war head to Europe and their sharing strategic weapons with a Jihadi organizatiomn like Hizbullah signals their willingness to share any sort of weapon and so the west despite the problems Iraq has created, will launch an operation to take out the Mullahs and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and it will happen very very soon.

And stop lying about me Ray .... I characterized Islamo fascists like Hizbullah and Al Aqsa, Islamic Jihad as they are in my opinion - peope who would target to kill as many women and children including their own as cockraoches or pondscum. I stand by it Ray but I NEVER REFERRED TO ALL MUSLIMS as that so stop doing saying I have or find it and post it.

That's just too bad GZ if you don't like it, it's too obvious you're a bigot. The Israelis stole the land. It's theirs for as long as they can hold on to it. You reap what you sow buddy.
Sick sick sick!

That's just too bad GZ if you don't like it, it's too obvious you're a bigot. The Israelis stole the land. It's theirs for as long as they can hold on to it. You reap what you sow buddy.
Sick sick sick!


Posted by Ray1 at 2006-09-02 11:57 AM

I don't know what nationality you are Ray but I'll bet if everyone started giving up lands they conquered you wouldn't like where you found yourself when all was said and done.

You're sidesteping the point Dirty. It's the Arabs who haven't given up after 60 years and show no signs of weakening.

Jew Soap makes the ridiculus insinuation that Europe has to fear missiles coming out of Iran. The little bigot knows that they are actually aimed at Tel Aviv.

Oh Ray the liar pretending to know anything about this issue .. what a joke

Here's Islamo fascism liar Ray .. if you can manage to see thru that Irael hatred maybe you'll recognize it ... nahhhh the Islamo Fascists have designed their propaganda just for people exactly like you Ray ... they hate anything Israel so much that they will ignore reality if given some small crumb of info to make an argument ... you know what I mean Ray like when you consistantly pretend that Israel hasn't had a standing peace agreement with Jordan and Egypt for decades - with tourism and trade. This is something you consistantly try and side step ... and then of course how you always lie about what I post ...

Face it Ray .. you know so little about this aside from your hatred, that you need to smear me ...

Go back to your bible study where you at least can get away with how little you know .. you're basically just a gasbag full of your own bias

Here's real Islamo Fascism Ray ... know it when you see it

"Palestinian militants who held two Fox News journalists hostage for almost two weeks threatened in an online message to abduct non-Muslims visiting the Palestinian territories and kill them unless their demands were met.

The statement, posted Saturday in the name of the Holy Jihad Brigades on a Web site frequently used by militants, said the group would kill any hostages it takes unless they converted to Islam, paid a ransom or Muslim prisoners were exchanged for their release.

"Any infidel blood will have no sanctity," the group said in a new Web statement. Either Islam, death or something given in return, the group added, apparently referring to a ransom or a swap for prisoners."

you consistantly pretend that Israel hasn't had a standing peace agreement with Jordan and Egypt for decades - with tourism and trade.

It's irrelevent. Both are client states. What will be interesting to see if they remain that way. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are not exactly paragons of stability either.

Face it Ray .. you know so little about this aside from your hatred, that you need to smear me ...

You do a better job of smearing yourself.

Palestinian militants held Fox News Journalists. So what? That doesn't compare to the Israelis dropping cluster bombs for the last three days prior to the cease fire. The death toll alone says it all about who is the most vicious.

Ray1: GZ will be glad to explain to you that Israel didn't drop cluster bombs in civilian areas of Lebanon, they were candy covered matzoh balls that got stale because mean old hezbollah wouldn't let them deliver them door to door. Israel would never hurt anyone or kidnap anyone (well the odd elected official or 200). They would have had fresh chocolate to give to the Lebanese but the grateful Iraqis have monopolised it all. You remember the people GZ's Buddy Bush liberated having that big festival in baghdad shouting "Death by Chocolate to America and Israel"? And squeezing our flag so hard it caught fire spontaneously?
Mission Accomplished.
Bush will launch a futile, and typically, a failed air attack on Iran after the November 2008 election. Then, equally typically, will expect somebody else to clean up his mess.

I don't know why Iran doesn't just join Israel and India in exiting the NPT and be Cheney-esque, as in telling the west to go fuck yourself. Maybe then they could get a few billion dollars and some F-16s from Dubya.

Dirt
That little patch of ground was previously occupied by Palestinians. They did not recognize the authority the that displaced them and they never consented to being displaced. That is why this conflict is 60 years old with no end in sight. In short, it wasn't the UN's property to give.

For you liberal apologists, namely justsome,

What would your response be if Iran dropped a nuclear bomb on Israel? They deserved it? What should the action of the U.S. be?

Boaz
That would be impossible because Iran does not have nuclear bombs. Israel does though. Given Israel's penchent for attacking its neighbors, it would be most likely Israel would nuke Iran.

They will send it FedEx.

PWZ

You have a point. If Iran nukes Israel, they better be thorough. Then Bush would have to show respect.

It's really a silly hypothetical question. If Iran nuked Israel, it would affect Palestinians. What Iran has is lots and lots of missiles aimed at Tel Aviv.

Ohh North ... your such a boring little clown. Can't you at least have a rational conversation or is your face to far up inside the butt of some Islamist ... ?

Join my cult and be immortal!!

Idiots, all of them.

And they are fucktards, too.

Palestinian militants held Fox News Journalists. So what? That doesn't compare to the Israelis dropping cluster bombs for the last three days prior to the cease fire. The death toll alone says it all about who is the most vicious.


Oh Ray, North and the rest of you Islamist lovers. Weren't you all the same people claiming how Israel had gotten its ass kicked by Hizbullah ? You definitely were one of those Ray since you always take the Islamic side ...

But now you probably can't stand to accept that your hero and victor Nasrallah is still in his hole afraid to come out and sounding nothing but contrite which just proves what I've been saying all along - Hizbullah won nothing more than a PR war - and thanks to some of you people right here who helped them but alas it was short lived wasn't it? Yes I know there's sadness in Drudgeville but your heroes the fascist Hezbullahs were so beaten they barely still exist.

Aside from the Shia, the Lebanese Sunni and Christians hate Nasrallah more then ever and his words of regret prove Israel was absolutely correct attacking them.

He said Ray (since I know you haven't a clue whats actually going on regarding this issue) ... "If I knew that Israel's reaction would be so extreme to the kidnapping, I would have never ordered it"

So next time Ray , I guess Nasrallah the cockroach won't order any kidnappings will he?

Well Ray ... as much as you hate to eat shit ... start swallowing

But it's really great shit, Ms Presskey!!!

Enrico Fermi on "space aliens":

"Where are they now?
Why aren't they here?"

My thought just now:

Trying to kill each other in an argument about who has the real imaginary friend is really stupid.
No wonder "they" aren't here.
"Loser planet" is the Michelin Guide's opinion.

Go ahead GZ, keep pounding away like a zeolot. Then you wonder why Israel has only the US government for a friend.

I think it's amazing if anyone even thought that they would listen to the U.N. It's as effective as its predecesser 'the League of Nations'. An expensive joke and nothing more.

Iran is a soveriegn nation allowed to produce products and services to support their needs...........Unless Israel and U.S. says they can't!

I would tell them to go jump in the lake too.

For you liberal apologists, namely justsome,

What would your response be if Iran dropped a nuclear bomb on Israel? They deserved it? What should the action of the U.S. be?

Posted by boaz at 2006-09-02 05:40 PM

And what makes you think Iran has any more likelyhood of droping a nuke on a neighboring country than Pakistan?

Are you saying there aren't BigScaryIslamoFascistHezzbalQa
edaBearPigs BoogieMen living in Pak? They have nukes... strange how they never used them on India, isn't it?

Your reasoning is both insane and flawed. It's called "Mutually Assured Destruction" for a reason.

Furthermore, there is no evidence that Iran has a nukular weapons program. Furthermore, Iran has a LEGAL RIGHT under the NPT to refine uranium for civilian enery reasons. They have natural sources of uranium, so there is no reason they should not be able to use nukular power.

See guys, that's the true test of how dedicated to the rule of law people are.

It's easy to follow the law when you get what you want. The real test is when somebody you dislike wants to do something they have a perfectly legal right to do.

Bushites and conservatives only view the law as something they can manipulate to force people to do what they want. That's why they never care if something they do is illegal: no respect for the rule of law.

Rule of law ... hmmmm you mean like sharing strategic weapons (guided missiles) with terror thugs like Hezbollah ?

You just want to pretend that its OK for a rogue government who funds terror all over the world and who is a sworn enemy of your own country to have nuclear weapons which they will use to blackmail the west with. Basically you're about as naive as it gets. To you we should ignore the rhetoric coming from Tehran ...? Lucky for the rest of us most are a lot smarter than you.

geez......some of you are scary....that you do not see the danger of iran and nukes is pretty distressing.
of course iran doesnt have to do anything with a bomb...all they have to do is see that it gets into other hands....and I heard a report on npr yesterday that talked about how saudi and turkey and a couple of other muslim countries were as scared of this happening as we are....and as much as you should be..
we must not allow the little hitler to get a bomb no matter how much crying you appeasers want to do.

gz....your comment about the death of millions of jews is only a statistic to them was chilling....in its accuracy.
were it not the truth...but I know that it is.

Regarding Israel getting nuked, I agree partly with this author who takes the American plan to nuke Mecca if the US is attacked with a nuke from one of these Jihadist groups one step further ...

"And that's why the best use of Israel's presumed arsenal of nukes should be pointed not so much at the population centers of our enemies but at their symbolic centers.

Yes, Mecca. And Medina. Najaf and Qum. Mount Arafat and Baalbek. And, not to be neglected: Al-Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock on Jerusalem's Temple Mount.

The Muslim world must be convinced absolutely that even the most feeble attempt to fire even one weapon of mass destruction at the state of Israel will mean the instant eradication of every site where Muhammed, his disciples, and the various mullahs and imams throughout the twisted history of Islam every set down their feet and their foreheads in prayer and supplication. They will never pray there again without glowing.

They must know of a certainty that any attempted act of genocide against the Jewish people will turn their religious legacy and pilgrimage routes into a radioactive wasteland that will bear witness before history to their utter corruption of civilization and just reward for the threat their "martyrs" have imposed on the freedom- and peace-seeking world.

Islamic fascists may be fanatical, but they are not fools. They calculated risk carefully, mathematically, like bankers or insurance brokers, as Nasrallah confessed this week. Before any attempt to wipe Israel off the map, they should understand that there is a 100% certainty that doing so will mean that Israel will erase the holy sites of Islam from history. When turning to face Mecca, Muslims will face a heap of radioactive rubble. When making the pilgrimage to Qum, when conditions permit a thousand years hence, they will supplicate on glowing earth through layers of lead-lined protective gear. And they will know that Jerusalem's golden and silver domes will be rubble, the holy mount soon to be reclaimed and restored by her rightful owner."

That sounds about right to me

and so it does with me too........

but I am afraid that bush will not do what is needed...what with all the nonsense coming from even parts of the jewish community from what I understand....

a single ohio sub with its 24 missles and 8 nuclear warheads on every one of those would be enough to level tehran and make it a parking lot.........its an option that CAN NOT be ruled out completely.....or thousands if not more will die.........

and it is so friggin naieve for people here to think that iran is doing this for energy uses only.......

Baniiiiiii

This war DID have some great Hezbullah propaganda no doubt and I appreciate all you've done just from the perspective of someone who was in the ad business. I love a good campaign and anyone that can sell the world on a victory where their leader still remains hiding in a hole giving contrite interviews claiming if he knew his kidnappings would have started a war he would never have ordered it is very impressive.

Maybe you can continue to peddle those who willingly buy your wares ... but most of us already know what bullshit this has all been. According to the Hezbollah media people - and yes they certainly do have an entire pro department of media, Israel has committed every conceivable war crime massacre, environmental hazard etc - which for the most part has since been discredited.

Last month it was ambulances and this month its . . cluster bombs. Two months ago it was civilians casualties but no one bothered to ask if that included Hezbollah who after all ... are also civilians.

GZ-
1. Israel didn't dump cluster bombs in Lebanon?

2. I can't stand Bani

3. You link to "LittleGreenFootbals"? Ewww!

"You link to "LittleGreenFootbals"? Ewww!"

ROFL

If I can't sleep at least I can get a laugh.

Yeah I link to little green footballs who sometimes uses vids from very legit sources on their web site and so the URL may be LGF but isn't necessarily LGF at all ...

But meanwhile it was LGF who blew the whistle on Reuters' staged photos and unraveled the large propaganda campaign the Hezzies had mounted for the western press.

Like it or not - thats just a fact now

GZ-

"When turning to face Mecca, Muslims will face a heap of radioactive rubble. When making the pilgrimage to Qum, when conditions permit a thousand years hence, they will supplicate on glowing earth through layers of lead-lined protective gear. And they will know that Jerusalem's golden and silver domes will be rubble, the holy mount soon to be reclaimed and restored by her rightful owner."

That sounds about right to me.

Well, I suppose that in these troubled times it's nice to have a few voices of reason and temperance. Of course I'm with you on the "it's all going to hell and we should just go with the flow of destruction and extremism" bit, so does that make me a friend of Israel?

For example

This:

"About Those Israeli Chemical Weapons"

is German Public TV - is that good enough for you?


"German public TV ARD looked into the latest mainstream antisemitic libel to make the rounds of Arab and Western media, the report that mysteriously blackened bodies in Lebanon had been victims of mysterious super-blackening Zionist "chemical weapons." They took tissue samples from the bodies and had them scientifically analyzed. And nobody scientifically analyzes better than Germans."

BUT to see it its on the LGF site ... does that mean its not a fact or isn't legit ?
Jeeesh you people are so goofy its ridiculous and bascially you just can't let go of all the bullshit you gladly swallowed ... and THAT IS pathetic.

"And nobody scientifically analyzes better than Germans."

I do.

Wait a minute,




I was born in Frankfurt-am-Main.

Nevermind.

GZ-
One of the many facts now are that you link to the most reprehensible sites to confirm that you'd like to see Armageddon, and are in fact hoping for it.

Your stance seems completely at odds with any sensible hope for the future of Israel, and I really don't see your near orgasmic hope that the nukes will be unleashed against your enemies (and their children, and neighbors, and moms and dads, etc.) as anything but the most vile hope that any human being could have. Perhaps as defense you will say that some of your enemies wish the same.

I suppose I'm glad you aren't in charge, and that cooler heads might prevail.

Does that make me an enemy of Israel?

GZ-
BTW, you never answered the cluster bomb question.

And how does that help Israel and undermine Hizbollah?

'night

This is a good chance to see what the United Nations is made of. They made a deadline, and the Iranians violated it.

I'll be interested to see if the United Nations now tries to take steps to rein in Iranians nuclear ambitions, or whether it will just protrate themselves before the Islamists, as usual--putting out a series of statements that express their "deep concern".

Useless. Why do we have a "United" "Nations" again? LOL--what a joke.

"As I read the article I see the same WWII mentality. They think that if they beat Syria and Iran militarily, they would become compliant losers. Talk about the triumph of hope over experience. Their troubles with Palestinians and Iraqis have taught them nothing."

Find a Ray post, find a bunch of crap.

At 40 miles wide, Israel needs to make sure she survives - I realize thats contrary to your agnenda Ray nevertheless, its NOT about making losers, its about making sure Israel isn't one of them.

Second its about understanding that in Iran a small minority supports the current regime. In Syria a small minority keeps Assad in power. Its about not making the population losers but taking out the regimes that fund and promote the anarchy and terror throughout the world that keeps instablity the status quo.

But you aren't capable of seeing anything outside of your fixation os "everything is Israel and Israel is everything" prism.

BOYD,


"GZ-
One of the many facts now are that you link to the most reprehensible sites to confirm that you'd like to see Armageddon, and are in fact hoping for it."

Wow ... just more evidence that people here read with a selective filter that enables them to disregard the words tha contradict their little agendas ...


Here's is how I introduced an op ed piece I had found

"Regarding Israel getting nuked, I agree partly with this author who takes the American plan to nuke Mecca if the US is attacked with a nuke from one of these Jihadist groups one step further ..."

OK readers ... it says "I AGREE PARTLY"
and it says "REGARDING ISRAEL GETTING NUKED"

WHERE does it say .. I WELCOME THIS ?
WHERE does it say I WANT THIS TO HAPPEN ?

BOYD ... IT DOESN'T SAY IT AT ALL

Since I don't welcome nor do I want these things to happen your argument is MOOT.

Much of the Hezbollah "victory" in Lebanon has been nothing more then public relations. Nasrallah the victor is afraid to come out of his bunker and their are more and more reports of seething anger at him for causing the death and destruction and even Nasrallah himself has been nothing but contrite in all interviews admitting that he miscalculated and that had he known Israel would react as they did - HE WOULD NEVER HAVE ORDERED THE KIDNAPPINGS ...

For you lefties, you ought to understand that this sort of speaks to why its important in that neighborhood to use extreme force. Apparently, the Israelis have now effectively shut down Nasrallah's furture urges to start wars.

Fact is that all Hezbollah succeeded in doing and very effectively is create the illusion that Israel caused and comitted more war crimes, massacres, environmental disasters, and if they could I'm sure they would or will manage to come up with examples of where the Jews caused plage, lice, frogs to drop from heaven, the plague .. you name it hezbollah has found ways to show how Israel are the Nazis while the genocidal Hezbollah are the poor victims.

Bottom line Boyd is I don't necessarily believe the Israelis dropped the clusters there - I do believe its quite possible and would be consistant the Hezbollah has moved the ordinance to where it would best suit their PR purposes. There are instances of them doing this during the netire war. They moved corpses, they staged massacres ... or haven't you followed the shameful behavior of the western wire services like Reuters and AP who ran faked photos ? even BBC admitted the staged war photos .. ALL to make Israel look particularly bad and it was quite successful and so why believe the cluster bombs are any different than the so called "Qana massacre" the so called bombing of ambulance? The so called bombing of civilian cars on raods? and on and on and on.

I'll leave it to those who can't wait to believe every Israel bashing fairie tale that Hezbollahand jihadis throw out there like cotton candy.

This is a good chance to see what the United Nations is made of. They made a deadline, and the Iranians violated it.

The UN is not a sovereign authority. The US and Israel violate its charter all the time. The charge of weapons development is spearheaded by the US and Israel. To be fair, how about if Israel submits to inspections? It's a bullshit excuse to attack Iran and Syria.

But you aren't capable of seeing anything outside of your fixation os "everything is Israel and Israel is everything" prism.

What a laugh. That's all you write about.

60 years of war has produced nothing but more conflict. It took more time for the US to beat Germany and Japan then it as Iraq. Keep calling it crap GZ. In time you'll be eating it.

Only in your brain Ray ... any nation that shares strategic weapons (guided missiles) with Jihadist organizations like Hezbollah can not be allowed to go nuclear for obvious reasons ... and luckily most in America and frankly in Europe if you actually read up on it - ie Germany, UK and even France - know your positions are ridiculous and naive.

Does the NPT also allow for Iran's vow to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth?

Vernon evidently has no clue as to who actually runs Iran. Besides Ahmedinejad was just calling for 'regime change' which Bush legalized a few years ago.

"60 years of war has produced nothing but more conflict. It took more time for the US to beat Germany and Japan then it as Iraq. Keep calling it crap GZ. In time you'll be eating it."

Egypt and Jordan for starters. The Arab league peace initiative and more and more and more much of which has been thwarted by thugs like Hezbollah, Al Aqsa, Islamic Jihad and so on.

Your assertion just defies the facts Ray. The problem isn't with Israel but with extreme groups that have been armed over the years and now no one can figure out how to take their guns away ...

and luckily most in America and frankly in Europe if you actually read up on it - ie Germany, UK and even France - know your positions are ridiculous and naive.

The way I figure, an attack on Syria and Iran is a fait accompli. You can beat them militarily nation against nation. But they will never cease to hate you. They will wear you down in what is dubbed "fourth generation war." I'm just a bystander who can only watch as our insane political leaders bring this country to ruin.

This is all just a bullshit line of reasoning by GZ and the other NeoCon lapdogs.

America's fortune and safety has nothing to do with peace in the middle east. In fact, America has been nothing but a disrupting influence there, since all sides are just trying to get the USA to attack their enemies.

It's time America leaves them to their own devices. If Israel couldn't run to the US with tears in their eyes every time their failures blow up in their face, they would have to figure out how to coexist with their neighbors just like every other country on the planet.

Same thing goes for the Muslim nations. If the USA wasn't enriching terrorists by buying all their oil, these countries would have to figure out some kind of way to create trade with their neighbors, which would include Israel.

I say the USA pull entirely out of the Middle East. If the EU, China, the UN, or whoever wants to deal with it, let them. But it's not the USA's problem to solve, and never has been.

Does the NPT also allow for Iran's vow to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth?

Have not seen Iran wipe out any country but have seen the U.S. wipe out one, and for no reason.

Which country should really have sanctions brought against them.

GZ

I am only using these two places of land -- Rhode Island, USA and Israel -- in a hypothetical question because they are both around the same size mileage-wise.

My question to you: If our enemies had a nuke and they planned on hitting only one of two places -- Rhode Island or Israel -- which place would you want their nuke to hit? Just curious as to where you loyalties lie.

Nasty question CC! :>)LOL