Let the champagne flow on the far left.

UN is cracking open the vintage stuff.

We can only hope the world wakes up and sees what Israel is dealing with:

Like 60 sleeping children? Women? Christians? Americans? Hospitals? Unarmed civilians? Yeah sure, the Israelis have it rough.

Nice find Unguent.

Problem: Outside of Israel the people are too ignorant or to complicit to look at the evidence and realize that Iran has been promoting this war. Even in this country with all the resources we have and people just don't educate themselves.

Israel won't be safe until the jihadis are killed.

They should waste any area that allows these scumbags to operate.

It's called scorced earth.

They should waste any area that allows these scumbags to operate.

It's called scorced earth.

May I suggest zyklon B? The Germans found it effective in dealing with people who didn't agree with them when they took over their property.

For every so-called "scumbag" we kill, we create a dozen more. Scorched earth does not work. GWB has tried it for six years in Afghanistan and Iraq, to no avail. Israel has occasionally tried it for the last fifty against a variety of foes - also to no avail. Those Jihadist whom we call "scumbags", the common people of Lebanon and the Middle East call "martyrs" and "heroes".
Likewise, negotiation obviously does not work. Even if one faction does wish to discuss issues in good faith, there are always several more factions which see political gain through ongoing turmoil. I see no longterm solution.

Israel has never known true peace for more than a few years at a time. I doubt they ever will in either my lifetime, or the lifetime of my children.

I suggest the following "negotiation offer":

Israel agrees to MOVE to a designated sh*t-hole country in Africa that no one wants or cares about (you know like MOST of the countries there where horrific stuff happens every day and no one even notices, but when 1 arab child dies, the world goes nuts and decries Israeli "disproportionate response, blah blah.. stupid Nazi comparisons just to piss Jews off, blah blah blah, but I digress). You know, btw, that within 4 years of moving to this AIDS-infested dump, that they develop a full economy and infrastructure to everyones' unamazement.

In return the terrorist a-holes get all of the land that they want so badly (all 5 miles of it) and they have to BUY the land that Israelis are getting in Africa and pay for 75% of the relocation costs, and pay for the next 10 years 10% of their oil revenues to the new Israel.

done and done. (Btw, within the same 4 years after the terrorist get what they want the following will likely happen:
All of what was once Israel will turn into an AIDS-infested dump, where everyone lives in total squalor except for the ruling elite families that enjoy oppressing everyone else. Jews will be blamed for the Arab children's squalor and will be compared to Nazis for some retarded reason. The oppressed people (palestinians, etc) will be MUCH worse off than they are now.

Ung/GZ,

Your post is interesting, tell me how much money has Israel received just from the U.S. since they were created, and tell me how much money the palestinians received in that same time period.

You post outlandish statements without ever acknowledging the fact that billions of dollars were given to Israel to be successful. So much so that if it was collected every Israeli citizen should be a millionaire.

But lets dig on the arabs some more, what is funny is in you delighted mode of loving seeing people killed you cannot possibly think that there might be alternatives to solving the age old problem.

Economics, and if we don't solve our problem we won't have to worry about Israel.

It's Just Retaliation(TM).

I'd rather move the Israelis all here. Looking at what they've done to the Middle East while being attacked by all sides, think what they could do for Nevada or Kentucky.
Then, fifty years on, when the Palestinians still can't get their toilets working, they can blame the Jews living 5,000 miles away, and look even more pathetic than they do now.

While mildly amusing, the idea of the State of Israel being transferred to another location is absurd on its face. Maybe it is a reflection of how intractable the problem is that the best solutions any one can come up with on this site include a "scorched earth" approach, and a comical "move all the jews to another location" approach. The reality facing Israel and the Palestinian people is far more complex than the pithy quips thrown about here.

Hezbollah' kills 12 Israelis. Israel will now kill 120 - 150 Arabs, maybe more. A good rate. As long as that Iranian nutjob keeps yammering away and the Hezbollah 'fighters' (i.e. those gutless shitwads hiding in houses and behind children and women) keep firing missiles indiscriminately at Jewish homes, I say keep killing the motherfuckers off. At some point, even the stupidest animal learns. Maybe these idiots will as well - you keep doing what you are doing and we will kill every last one of you. Maybe. Worst case scenario: we send hundreds of them up to meet their virgins. Praise be to Allah and pass the bomb-belt, daddy's gonna blow up some women and children tonight!!!

Killing everyone is not a solution. Firstly, it can't be done. Secondly, it should never ever ever be done.

Now beowulf really sounds like a great intellectual giant.

Don't mess with him, he so smart!

Beowulf so smart that he must be at step 2 in the Kohlberg stages of moral reasoning.

May I suggest zyklon B? The Germans found it effective in dealing with people who didn't agree with them when they took over their property.

Posted by northguy3 at 2006-08-03 09:50 PM | Reply

North,
You are an absolute pig. Human filth of the lowest order. Now please complain abou this post. I'd love to get banned for speaking the truth to your digusting personage.

What's the matter, Vern?

You have the missile concession or something?

"Exterminating the sub-human rats" is what some members here are calling for.... them and their woman and their children.

Just a little good old fashioned, efficient German engineering would come in handy right about now, eh?

This has probably come to light here already, but I heard a statement today that could not be more true. These Jihad's need to learn to love their children more than they hate their enemy.

Interesting that the left equates Hezbollah's situation with the plight of the Jews in the 40's. Hilarious, actually.

Crassus gets interesting, "Your post is interesting, tell me how much money has Israel received just from the U.S. since they were created, and tell me how much money the [P]alestinians received in that same time period."

The Palestinian "authority" has sponsored violence against Israel, almost from the moment of its conception -- how much "allowance" does your unruly child, who is constantly trying to set your house on fire, deserve?

Besides, since this is an issue of "sides," why aren't Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, et al, assisting their fellow Arabs, brothers and daughters of Islam, out of the squallor and filth in which they declare them to be? Huh?

Never mind that because up until recently, when the "new" government of Palestine confirmed their intent to destroy Israel, they received LOTS of aid from the US, yearly . . . year after year. Not as much as the meritocracy which had always, forgivingly, tried to coexist with them, but LOTS of aid, nevertheless.

All of this stuff is endlessly arguable, but one point is becoming abundantly clear and brilliantly obvious:

Democrats are demonstrating that they are the furthest thing from being considered patriotic, it is possible to be. For partisanship and the desire for political power, they will actually support and defend terrorists and terrorist organizations which are intent on doing genocide; the complete and total destruction of Israel. For the *hope* that Bush would receive a political defeat, the left and Democrats cry crocadile tears for the "poor" Hezbollah civilians who have died; while blaming Israel!

What kind of idiots and fools are you making of yourselves? For the hope of political gain, you feel sorry for the terrorists who started this military action! You defend them by blaming Israel! You accommodate the cowardly act of these neolithic barbarians in hiding behind their own civilians; women and children!!!

You stupid, subversive traitorous vermin!

You aren't "Americans," because you are "Democrats" first and last . . .

The yellow-running-democrat-dogs-
of-politics!

Crassus gets interesting, "Your post is interesting, tell me how much money has Israel received just from the U.S. since they were created, and tell me how much money the [P]alestinians received in that same time period."

It would be even more interesting for you to actually answer his question.

Boyd shows lemon, "It would be even more interesting for you to actually answer his question."

Why? When the new Palestinian "authority" announced a confirmation of their intent to destroy Israel, they lost an immediate 240 million dollars in aid that was scheduled for them . . . and they knew that that aid would be stopped when they made their decision. It was in the news.

Crapass doesn't care how much aid Palestine got from us, the US. He is only interested in parroting the Democrat propaganda, and which is that Israel is causing its own problems. The record, you and your slavish ilk are to repeat, is that Israel is doing murder to innocent civilians . . .

A Big (Fat) Lie and since the prickless cowards of Hezbollah are hiding behind their women and children!!!

. . . and you Democrats are out there in front feeling sorry for them!!!

You stupid, subversive idiots!!!

You are supporting madmen who believe in human sacrifice for their religion!!!

. . . traitorous scum . . .

And you don't want to answer the question. That's pretty clear. Instead you'd like to cast about accusations of treason, mischaracterize the rather tepid response to civilian deaths, and otherwise just go on your own little predictable rampage.

And still not answer the "interesting" question.

Boyd- I tiger doesn't change it's stripes.

Boyd continues with some inane demands, "And you don't want to answer the question. That's pretty clear."

I've answered the question: The United States has provided PLENTY of aid to Palestine, year in and year out. I even described the aid they lost immediately upon voting to make it their official policy to conduct genocide against Israel.

So, answer this question: Are you supporting Palestine in their official announcement of genocide? How much of our tax money should be given to them to support the destruction of every man, woman and child in Israel?

Cat got your tongue, Mr Democrat?

"Instead you'd like to cast about accusations of treason, mischaracterize the rather tepid response to civilian deaths, and otherwise just go on your own little predictable rampage."

Tepid response?

The terrorists: Hezbollah; are a gang of cowards who hide behind women and children.

You Democrats: Subversive chickenfeces; are a gang of cowards who support them for hiding behind women and children . . .

. . . only you are far worse, and since you do it for VOTES, and not to save your poltroonish lives . . .

You are cowards, subversives and traitorous vermin . . . and assist Islamic human sacrifice . . .

"And still not answer the "interesting" question."

The "real" interesting question: How do you partisan ghouls sleep at night?

tell me how much money has Israel received just from the U.S. since they were created, and tell me how much money the [P]alestinians received in that same time period."

Answer, coward.

Alex-
He won't. Nor will he understand that you and I support the right of Israel to defend herself, but are not so sanguine about the misplaced stones and carnage that may lead inexorably to WWIII (or IV).

Boyd- Yeah, you got 10 out of 10 points on that one..

Question: Crassus gets interesting, "Your post is interesting, tell me how much money has Israel received just from the U.S. since they were created, and tell me how much money the [P]alestinians received in that same time period."

"Answer", according to Tadowe: I've answered the question: The United States has provided PLENTY of aid to Palestine...

It's like talking to rumsfeld...

You get rumsfeld asking himself questions and answering them, not yours.

Alex goes ballistic! "Answer, coward."

Answer what, Alex? This question from someone else?

tell me how much money has Israel received just from the U.S. since they were created, and tell me how much money the [P]alestinians received in that same time period.

Why, Alex? What interest do you have in the answer? Do you think that Palestine (a country which has a policy of the destruction of their neighbor) should get an equal amount of money from the US as Israel gets?

Say, Alex, are you a supporter of genocide? Do you think it is important for you (and the US) to give money to those who do human sacrifice for their religion and their religious goals?

I think you are!?! I think you are asking the question of me, because you are a supporter of terrorism. You support the goals of the destruction of Israel! You are a supporter of those who strap explosives to their children and sent them in to blow up Jews for Allah!!!

I'll bet you wouldn't mind joining some jihadist organization and sending some money to Palestine, aren't you, you generous donor to the new world theocracy . . .?

(I suggest you shut your gang-like piehole now, stupid . . .)

Alex-
The truth is, I don't care if he answers. What troubles me is his claim that he HAS answered. Well, that and the fact that he's a rabid ideologue who accuses me of treason without the slightest interest in what I may actually think of the situation. But that doesn't matter to him either as far as I can tell. I don't reflexively claim that the "poor" Hezbollah civilians got what they deserved, and so I'm among the cowards, subversives and traitorous vermin . . . [who] assist Islamic human sacrifice . . .

And so are you.

Why, Alex? What interest do you have in the answer?

because you can't answer questions unless you are totally allowed to frame them yourself.

It's fun to point out.

You support the goals of the destruction of Israel! You are a supporter of those who strap explosives to their children and sent them in to blow up Jews for Allah!!!

Wrong. Again, you can't have a conversation with people unless you control the questions and answers, can you? Israel should defend itself. Punishing the average palestinian and citizen from lebanon by fucking over their supplies and infrastructure is ludicrous. My disagreements with israel are TACTICAL.

Have fun dancing with your man of straw.

Boyd (sotto voce) Psst "He won't. Nor will he understand that you and I support the right of Israel to defend herself, but are not so sanguine about the misplaced stones and carnage that may lead inexorably to WWIII (or IV)."

I won't answer your imperious demands and dictatorial rhetorical questions!

There is absolutely NOTHING pertinent about any comparison between what the US gives Israel and what it has given Palestine. You and your subversive, slimey ilk, are only interested in vilifying the US and Israel; while you tacitly support the terrorists who fomented the trouble, in the first place!

You do so for partisan gain -- not to help the US gain ANY solution in the Middle East; peaceful or military!!!

You are actively trying to subvert success against such terrorist organizations as Hezbollah and Hamas, who call for the genocide of Israel, by pretending some concern for what the "poor" Palestinians have been stinted in comparison to Israel . . .

You are inferring that the US is STINGY and that is the cause for Hezbollah's attacks -- the poor downtrodden Palestinians are in squallor because the United States isn't giving them enough money . . .!!!

You lying sacks of chickenfeces!!! You terrorist supporters of human sacrifice!!!

What abysmal slime you appear in your greed for votes . . . disgusting . . .

No, Alex. You must agree wholly with tactics, philosophy, and execution without thought or reflexion. That or be "vermin" whose only concern is domestic electoral cheese. That's the only rational explanation for why you don't agree with the truly rabid Tadowe: You just hate GW Bush, and you're willing to trample on the bodies of JEWS to get your reward!!

I never thought I'd say this...but I miss Ariel Sharon.

He would have offered a prisioner exchange in this situation. 2 palestinian or lebonese prisoners from their little gitmoesque camps for 2 kidnapped soldiers.

The current leader of Israel instead chose to use this as an excuse to launch an ill conceived invasion/occupation.

while you tacitly support the terrorists who fomented the trouble, in the first place!

Yeah. I love Hezbollah. I send them all my money.

Remind me again how the "hezbos" formed and why, dumbass.

I'll answer for you, since you're not good at this sort of thing...

Hezbelloh formed in response to Israels occupation to Lebanon for 18 years.

So what does Israel do to fight them? Invade and Occupy Lebanon! BRILLIANT!

PS- I'ts sad that I have to belabor the obvious to nitwits, but here goes...blowing up civilians is wrong, regardless of who does it. Hezbelloh does it. Israel does it.

Alex confesses! "because you can't answer questions unless you are totally allowed to frame them yourself. It's fun to point out."

See? You are competely and totally obsessed with me, personally!

You would take the side of Palestinians and support them in their desire to destroy every man, woman and child (Jew) of Israel, and just because I was on the opposite side of the matter and you can use it to insult and revile . . .

You are too sick to describe in words, Alex, and you should seek some help for this stalking illness you present to public view.

Until then, I won't be adding to your angst, directly. Really, honestly, get some help.

I never "inferr[ed]" anything but that you would rather throw a tantrum than answer the question, and I truly don't claim to care that you answer it.

But don't claim that you did.

Otherwise, I'm glad to move on -- if that's even possible.

the poor downtrodden Palestinians are in squallor because the United States isn't giving them enough money . . .!!!

No, they live that way because the US gives Israel money to keep them in Sqaulor in the name of "security"

Gaza is not allowed to use it's port. Palestinians have curfews. They are owed millions in tax money...they are overtaxed on purpose, their power plants and water filtration systems are targeted for destruction. Israel has made a comfortable living by punishing civlians that happen to be the same ethnicity of the minority of extremists, be they palestinian or lebonese.

On the flip side, while given a legitimate greivance, groups like Hamas and Hezbollah targets civilians, hides behind them, and engages in other terrorist activities.

"because you can't answer questions unless you are totally allowed to frame them yourself. It's fun to point out."

That was actually just a statement of fact.

You would take the side of Palestinians and support them in their desire to destroy every man, woman and child (Jew) of Israel, and just because I was on the opposite side of the matter and you can use it to insult and revile .

WRONG. Civilian death is wrong. period. Now quit giving me YOUR opinion of my opinion, because it's pathetically wrong, and it makes you look like a mouth foaming idiot. I don't give a DAMN what "side" you're on, palecon. My identity does not revolve around your self obsession/flagellation.

Boyd- have you ever listened to rumsfeld talk for more than 10 minutes? it's the same thing. He interviews HIMSELF! It's crazy.

"My goodness!!"

(yes I have, Alex -- Bush does the same thing: Some people claim that brown people don't want democracy...I disagree....)

Some people claim that brown people don't want democracy..

And they vote for Bush.

Boyd gangraps for Alex, "That was actually just a statement of fact."

I don't think you help Alex by defending his obsession with me, personally, Boyd.

I have already said, in the past and presently, that I am not under any obligation to respond to your rhetorical demands. It is nothing but intransigent stupidity to continue trying to force some tyrannical dictates on a cyber personality; ones you are incapable of enforcing. It does nothing more than demonstrate what callow individuals you must be to gain some satisfaction from NOT having your "questions" answered! That just shows that the "question" wasn't serious, in the first place . . .

. . . otherwise one of you lazy bums would have provided the answer -- done your own political work . . .

Instead, you demonstrate just how very effective my comments have been to you all, PERSONALLY!

You slime . . .

Alex-
Bush uses the "some people think" tag followed by some bullshit that he can then easily refute. All the time.

But that line (and I paraphrased)? Yeah, you're right.

Alex-
Sorry if I didn't help you, I just wanted to note that your statement that "because you can't answer questions unless you are totally allowed to frame them yourself. It's fun to point out.", is true on both counts, and the latter especially as Tadowe goes out of his way to prove the former.

I have just been reading Tadowe's posts. What's up with that guy? Why does he have so much hatred for everyone who does not walk lock step with his sheeplike ideology? Seriously, the guy should be on strong meds or something. Everyone of his posts seems to consist of spewing vitriol at those he disagrees with, and accusing them of being traitors and so forth. It is posters like that who say nothing but rabidly insult which drag down a website such as this one.

Instead, you demonstrate just how very effective my comments have been to you all, PERSONALLY!

Well, sure. As long as we are again on the subject of YOU, I must say that your comments may have been very effective, but I can't say for sure. I guess it depends on what result you wished to effect.

What was it?

503-
You should reconsider your posted site. Israel exists, and it has a right to exist.

not if you follow the torah....did you read it or just see the title and dimiss it?
does gods word matter ?
i support bringing all jews to america were freedom of religon would protect them.....but i dont support zionism which threw away the torah to take the land by force.....read the site, then we can discuss it

503-
I guess I should expand on that. Whatever the injustices or crimes or ad hoc machinations of the world powers that you may perceive to be the fruit of doom for Israel, Israel is there. The children in Israel were born there, and most likely their parents were too. It is their home. Think about that when you link to a site like that in a climate such as this.

does gods word matter ?

If "God" is telling you to wipe an entire people out...its not "God" you're speaking to.

but i dont support zionism which threw away the torah to take the land by force.....read the site, then we can discuss it

Posted by 503jc69 at 2006-08-04 04:10 AM | Reply


Did you think someone was going to give it to them? Most nations were built on force. Don't make it sound like the Jews did anything different than America in founding their country--and in defending it.

503 says, "tadowe...take your pills before you blow a valve."

Ah, another affected individual! I count coup!

"if zionist want to take the land by force and ignore the torah then they have to expect to live a violent life."

The UN created Palestine and Israel -- not the Jews. I think you must be some religious zealot -- Islam, would be my guess.

". . .but the humor of listening to you spaz out is priceless....and by the way, i sleep great every night"

You gangsters can't insult me, but you keep on trying. That is gratifying to me, even though I know that you can't comprehend that, and since your internet "faces" are so important to you.

For example, you are so upset that you've made two posts trying to discredit me, personally, by spouting complete religious nonsense and claiming some sort of persecution of Palestinians . . .

You terrorist supporting slime . . .

503-
Tell me of a land that was not, at some time or other, taken by force.

We need to work realistically with what we've got, and moving Israel to Kansas just ain't gonna happen.

I know it's all about you, Tadowe, but did you wish to have another, perhaps incidental, effect besides this result?

so we should ignore the torah and accept zionism because they have been there long enough to breed?

Pretty much, though your language is fuckin' scary.

And I am quite aware that Judaism (did I get the spelling wrong, or did you?) is not zionism, and Jews are not Israel.

Moder8 joins the gang, "I have just been reading Tadowe's posts. What's up with that guy? Why does he have so much hatred for everyone who does not walk lock step with his sheeplike ideology?"

Wow! I'm running out of chalkmark space!

To answer your rhetorical question, I am disgusted with partisan pissants who tacitly support the terrorists. That isn't so hard to understand, is it?

Your rhetorical confusion comes about because you are one of the slimemeisters who are subversively supporting Hezbollah by focusing critical attention onto Israel; even though it was Hezbollah and Hamas who instigated this trouble and attacked Israel, first.

My comments are a culmination of observations, commentary and opinion expressed concerning the Democrats and their apparent desire to have the US fail against terrorism; specially in Iraq, but anywhere they can find to use against Bush, politically.

That means that Democrats are attempting to subvert success in Iraq and are calling for withdrawel (an obvious sign of failure) in order to gain votes and profit from this war. . .

That's slimey. . . that's subversive . . . that's traitorous behavior: to desire a win for partisan political reasons, and even though it would be a defeat for all the United States, not just Republicans.

So, I think you actually understand that and use your commentary to distract from those facts and observations by making me the subject of your critical finger pointing idiocy . . .

. . . stupid little pissant traitors who want to win for party, not country . . .

antipatriotic scum, vermin . . .

(Is he still talking about himself?)

Boyd whines, "I know it's all about you, Tadowe, but did you wish to have another, perhaps incidental, effect besides this result?"

Unreal!

I suppose you would like me to believe you have some interest in saving me some embarrassment, Boyd?

Are you actually this stupid?

You can believe me or not, but I have absolutely no respect for the opinions of those who try to make me the subject in a political discussion . . .!!!

Can you even begin to comprehend that? Wise up!

I suppose you would like me to believe you have some interest in saving me some embarrassment, Boyd?

No, not at all.

would you support a christain country that didnt follow the bible...thats how i see israel. they claim to be jewish but dont follow the torah. i couldnt care less what god you pray too...whatever gives you peace as long as it doesnt infringe on everybody else. israel is a promise from god that he will install his kingdom and reunite the choosen people . unless god has returned there shouldnt be a state of israel.

i dont think that the genocide of the native americans is really a justifacation for zionist to wipe out another race. gods choosen people would not bomb apartment complexes and drop cluster bombs. im open to debate on the subject but just saying its there, deal with it isnt a solution in my book

Boyd denies, "No, not at all."

Then what did you mean with this "question?"

. . . did you wish to have another, perhaps incidental, effect besides this result?

What "effect" did I have, Boyd, that has you concerned (if not for me, personally?) We won't get an answer, will we?

No, you will avoid it, won't you?

would you support a christain country that didnt follow the bible..

Well, the country I live in is mostly Christian, or so they claim, and I support what I feel is best for my country.

If you think I support Israel's recent actions, well I don't, and for a number of reasons. I also don't support Hizbollah's firing of rockets into random civilian areas. But then I'm just a human, and I don't suppose that I claim to have God on my side as you do.

Give it up, guys.

Tadowe won't be satisfied unless the rest of this dialog is devoted to his persecution complex.

What "effect" did I have, Boyd, that has you concerned (if not for me, personally?) We won't get an answer, will we?

No, I won't avoid it. The effect you have had is to make everything about you even when it's not. You take every perceived slight and amplify it through some paranoid lens to gigantic proportions of personal persecution.

For instance, you seem completely oblivious to the fact that there is a poster (opposed by Alex, Buffalo Bob, and even the verminous Boyd) who feels that Israel has no right to exist. You haven't even noticed, cause it's all about you.

I tire of it. I tire of being called vermin. I tire of the insults. I tire of your egotism. I tire of you tunnel vision. I tire of your self-absorbed venom and your projection. I tire of you, or rather what I hope is merely your "cyber personality".

But mostly I'm just tired, I guess.

Good night.

I knew Boyd wouldn't answer, "No, I won't avoid it. The effect you have had is to make everything about you even when it's not."

Why run away from answering, Boyd? Afraid to be caught in your own little lie? Here, try again:

. . . did you wish to have another, perhaps incidental, effect besides this result?

What "effect" were you concerned about BESIDES this result?

(Where are all the gangsters demanding you answer the "question," Boyd? Your terrorist supporting and slimey friends?)

Tadowe-
Oh. I'm tired and am going to bed, but I see what you're asking:

What "effect" were you concerned about BESIDES this result?

Truly, Tad, I was asking you. It wasn't a rhetorical question. It was not a trap for Tadowe.

Later.

For every so-called "scumbag" we kill, we create a dozen more. Scorched earth does not work. GWB has tried it for six years in Afghanistan and Iraq, to no avail. Israel has occasionally tried it for the last fifty against a variety of foes - also to no avail. Those Jihadist whom we call "scumbags", the common people of Lebanon and the Middle East call "martyrs" and "heroes".
Likewise, negotiation obviously does not work. Even if one faction does wish to discuss issues in good faith, there are always several more factions which see political gain through ongoing turmoil. I see no longterm solution.

Israel has never known true peace for more than a few years at a time. I doubt they ever will in either my lifetime, or the lifetime of my children.

Posted by moder8 at 2006-08-03 09:51 PM | Reply | Flag

Then again...

burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD,

The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

2Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

3And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

I vote we give Tadowe 3 dumps in one fell swoop . . . just for tiresome redundancy.

Boyd runs like the devil! "Truly, Tad, I was asking you. It wasn't a rhetorical question. It was not a trap for Tadowe."

See? You won't answer!!! You will mock and vilify someone for not answering your demands, but utterly fail to answer when it is demanded of you!

Hypocrite!

But, really you deserve one more chance, Boyd . . .

What effect were you concerned that I might not have made, Boyd, when you asked this:

. . . did you wish to have another, perhaps incidental, effect besides this result?

What is the specific effect you were concerned that about, Boyd? Can't you answer that simple question?

"Later."

A Georgie-Porgy intellectualism, eh?

sorry boyd...i thought you could discuss the differance between zionism and judaism without thinking i wanted to wipe out the jews...my bad.
i post a website about jews rejecting zionism and im still anti-jew?. oh well, i tried ....im just an agnostic with alot of time on my hands to read all the perspectives on why the world is fucked up. sorry if you got offended and think im preaching hate.
ill let you get back to fighting with the cross burner tadowe...now thats someone whos full of hate
peace!

RIP to all the israeli casulties and i hope something positive comes out of all this so that their deaths are not in vain and both sides can live in peace. at the end of the day, we must'nt be de-sensitised to the fact that, in the 21st century, people are losing their lives because adult human beings cannot find a way to work out their differences. i personally find that deeply depressing. jmho.

Tadowe

Naw . . . we like Alex.

503 whines, ". . .boyd. . ."

Zionism doesn't have a thing to do with the present circumstances in Israel/Lebanon. You are obviously someone of an Islamic background, or an active anti-Semite, even to advance that argument at this time.

Hezbollah is an Islamic organization that actively sponsors genocide. Hamas is an organization with the same goal: the complete destruction of Israel.

To focus attention onto Israel, holding them responsible, or the putative "stinginess" of the US towards Palestine, is A BIG FAT SUBVERSIVE LIE! One that would normally be considered to be from a terrorist supporting slime bucket!

The UN formed Israel NOT ZIONISM

Zionism is a term used pejoratively to denounce and denigrate the state of Israel, and to defame and dehumanizd Jews. . .

I propose that we start dehumanizing those who practice human sacrifice in the name of their religion: Islamic Nazi Cowards Who Hide Behind Their Women and Children While They Pee In Their Pants in Fear.

Are you 1, 2?

Alex moans, "2 more self obsessive links, courtesy of mr narcissist. I'm just going to answer with this link everytime you spam that crap:"

What's the trouble, Alex? I told you not to address me, or mention me in your stage-directed "private" commentary.

You just won't learn, though, so take your consequences like a man, instead of a whining child.

You made the mistake, Alex, but have an out . . . don't drop my name or even mention me in future. . .

Otherwise, I promise to continue to highlight what a nazi wannbe slimebucket you just happen to be!

Got it, finally?

Tadowe:

No, like I posted yesterday, I couldn't agree with what Alex did. However, I thought the contents was an apt description. You're not without a full measure of guilt yourself.

Contention seems to be your forte so I can't fault the ones who respond in kind.

The simple fact is that we like Alex and we don't like you. And that's the size of it.

Derfla will be coming on line in about 25 minutes if you're looking for someone to agree with you.

Tadowe- must every thread be all about you?

Is there a law against stalking yourself? There should be.

I told you not to address me, or mention me in your stage-directed "private" commentary.

Petty tyrant!

It is nothing but intransigent stupidity to continue trying to force some tyrannical dictates on a cyber personality; ones you are incapable of enforcing.

hahahaha.

Twin goes on, "However, I thought the contents was an apt description. You're not without a full measure of guilt yourself."

I can't seem to get this across to you, apparent, morons: I don't care what you think of me, personally. I have absolutely no respect, whatsoever, for you bunch of partisan, slimey, traitors!

Got that, finally?

"Contention seems to be your forte so I can't fault the ones who respond in kind."

What an f'ing hypocrite! You just got through saying: "I couldn't agree with what Alex did."

But, now, it is my fault that Alex was compelled to libel another human being, in public and for broadcasting it around the world! You want to continue to support the effort to dehumanize -- because I am what Alex describes!!!

. . . and you think that I would have any respect for such callow, stupid, and childlike intelligence that would create such a logical mishmash of thought . . .?

"The simple fact is that we like Alex and we don't like you. And that's the size of it."

The "simple" fact is that you and your ilk are too stupid to discuss politcs, so you discuss those you want to revile and hate for being able to do what you can't. You are idiots pretending to be intelligent and knowledgeable. You can't do anything more than "like" or "hate" someone and talk about that; when your not parroting something someone else said and you want others to believe you actually understand!

You all are inveterate liars, ones who lie to themselves even more than to others!

"Derfla will be coming on line in about 25 minutes if you're looking for someone to agree with you."

See? That's your projection! You want that for yourselves -- agreement from others and to hell with the reality of any situation, just so you can have friends of the same slimey characters!

Pathetic as well as disgusting hypocritical subversives.

The "simple" fact is that you and your ilk are too stupid to discuss politcs, so you discuss those you want to revile and hate for being able to do what you can't. You are idiots pretending to be intelligent and knowledgeable. You can't do anything more than "like" or "hate" someone and talk about that; when your not parroting something someone else said and you want others to believe you actually understand!

You all are inveterate liars, ones who lie to themselves even more than to others!

I can't seem to get this across to you, apparent, morons: I don't care what you think of me, personally. I have absolutely no respect, whatsoever, for you bunch of partisan, slimey, traitors!

Well...alow me to retort:

You can believe me or not, but I have absolutely no respect for the opinions of those who try to make me the subject in a political discussion . . .!!!

Bwahahahaha!

Can you even begin to comprehend that? Wise up!

Posted by tadowe at 2006-08-04 04:35 AM | Reply

TADOWE:

Let me put this more succinctly:

Alex is sane and you are nuts!

Now do you "get it?"

The "simple" fact is that you and your ilk are too stupid to discuss politcs, so you discuss those you want to revile and hate for being able to do what you can't. You are idiots pretending to be intelligent and knowledgeable. You can't do anything more than "like" or "hate" someone and talk about that; when your not parroting something someone else said and you want others to believe you actually understand!

and then:

. . . and you think that I would have any respect for such callow, stupid, and childlike intelligence that would create such a logical mishmash of thought . . .?

Maybe you're just not smart enough to discuss politics, son.

twinpac- That earned you a "goebbles award"!

No, you didn't help murder millions of people, you did WORSE...

You fucked with Tadowe, and for that you must pay. Fuckin nazi.

Alex challenges, "Maybe you're just not smart enough to discuss politics, son."

In this thread, the Democrats appear to be supporting the idea that Israel has caused the Hezbollah to attack them because the Israelis are . . .

1. The "real" terrorists.

2. Getting more money than the Palestinians.

3. The US is supporting Israel and not Palestine.

I have disagreed and pointed out that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. One which calls for genocide against the people of Israel/Jews. That Palestine was receiving aid from the US, and had been for years, but not when they openly advocate the complete destruction of Israel.

Which issue do you agree or disagree concerning, Alex? If you can actually discuss this problem, why not do so, instead of submitting post-after-post with me as the subject?

Any of you . . . ?

I already laid out how I felt about both sides after you tried to convince everyone that I wanted Israel to die, and that I supported terrorists. That was right before you called me goebbles again.

Eat my shorts.

Tadowe, I've been following the thread...once again your reason is met with deflection.

Of course you are 100% right on the issue. Only an idiot or an anti-semite could see the Israel-Hezbolah conflict any other way.

Wow Alex! Three posts for one of mine!

That's my boy! Show the world just how obsessed you can possibly be!

Include more of your "friends" names in each of them, Alex, they will love you for it!

Israel should defend itself. Punishing the average palestinian and citizen from lebanon by fucking over their supplies and infrastructure is ludicrous. My disagreements with israel are TACTICAL.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2006-08-04 03:20 AM

I never thought I'd say this...but I miss Ariel Sharon.

He would have offered a prisioner exchange in this situation. 2 palestinian or lebonese prisoners from their little gitmoesque camps for 2 kidnapped soldiers.

The current leader of Israel instead chose to use this as an excuse to launch an ill conceived invasion/occupation.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2006-08-04 03:27 AM

Hezbelloh formed in response to Israels occupation to Lebanon for 18 years.

So what does Israel do to fight them? Invade and Occupy Lebanon! BRILLIANT!

PS- I'ts sad that I have to belabor the obvious to nitwits, but here goes...blowing up civilians is wrong, regardless of who does it. Hezbelloh does it. Israel does it.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2006-08-04 03:30 AM

ALEX

I've been f'n with Tadowe's mind for a couple years. He never seems to catch on.

You fucked with Tadowe, and for that you must pay

I'll let you know when I start shakin' in my boots. LOL

Derfla- you're crazy. Tad has spent most of the thread calling anyone that doesn't agree with him 100% a terrorist or worse.

There's plenty of right wingers who think that israel is making a huge tactical error, and that both sides are full of shit when playing the victim card.
Are those right wingers nazis too?

Hezbollah uses blatant terrorism. Israel punishes civilians that have no control over the situation and kill with a 10 to 1 ratio. Both sides are fucking warped.

Alex says, "Israel should defend itself."

That is what they are doing, Alex. However, that's not what you meant, is it? You mean that the US should stop helping their defense, isn't that correct?

Will you say the same thing about Hezbollah -- that they should defend themselves? Not get any help from Syria, Iran and the other Islamic Jihadists?

"Punishing the average palestinian and citizen from lebanon by fucking over their supplies and infrastructure is ludicrous. My disagreements with israel are TACTICAL."

If I started shooting at you, Alex, would you encourage me to resupply? Would you gladly stop defending yourself, so that I could get food and water; along with whatever else is shipped in at the same time -- some more ammunition to shoot at you with?

I think your "disagreement" with Israel is partisanly directed, and that you would like Israel to fail in their defense, or be embarrassed when they try to defend themself . . . so that you can blame Bush and the hated and reviled "Neocons."

Otherwise, your tacit support of the poor Lebanese civilian ignores that those Hezbollah cowards are hiding behind them . . . that you are actually standing in defense of Hezbollah in honoring their right to endanger Lebanese civilians by conducting a war in their midst!!!

It seems you and your leftist friends want a failure for the United States, so that your party/Democrats can win some votes. It looks to me like the Democrats are the biggest war profiteer wannabes above all others . . . !!!

Slimey terrorist stand-ins . . .

thomas, that urban dictionary thing is SO last year. calm down dear, have a seat and a nice cuppa cha.
one lump or two?

isn't that correct?

No. We should help them defend themselves against those that wish genocide upon them.

Provided they clean up the innocent civilian count. And stop making the palestinians their piss class slaves.

I think your "disagreement" with Israel is partisanly directed, and that you would like Israel to fail in their defense, or be embarrassed when they try to defend themself . . . so that you can blame Bush and the hated and reviled "Neocons."

I think you're full of shit. Bush only has two ME plays in his playbook: Ignore. Attack. And I don't give a rats ass what bush thinks about anything, because he doesn't think.

alex, Israel is not punishing "civilians". Hezbolah, in civilian clothes, has had 6 years to set up and dig-in among civilian neighborhoods.

What is Israel supposed to do? Allow hezbolah to just continue to attack israel because they ae using their neighbors as human shields.

And frankly, your loyalty is misplaced. There is no moral equivalence between israel and terrorists. Both sides are not "fucking warped". Israel is legitimately defending its right to exist against groups and regimes who want to wipe it off the face of the earth.

That you could somehow legitimize and defend the hatred and terrorist actions of those groups that are trying to wipe Israel off the map--- makes you a "terrorist" symapthizer. So to that extent, Tadowe is right.

You can't have it both ways. You can't be against Israel's actions without then somehow supporting and legitimizing the claims of Hezbolah.

You can't just give lip service to the "right of Israel to defend itself" and then when it does, condemn them for it.

The bottom line remains....if 1559 had been implemented, Hezbolah would not have had the missiles and militia to attack Israel with.

If Hezbolah had not committed an act of war and attacked Israel unprovoked killing and kidnaping their soldiers, then Israel would not have had to respond in defense of its sovereignty.

As I said, only an idiot or an anti-semite could not see who the "good guy" and "bad guy" is in this conflict.

alex, Israel is not punishing "civilians". Hezbolah, in civilian clothes, has had 6 years to set up and dig-in among civilian neighborhoods.

Hahaha.

Yeah, they don't kidnap peopl and hold them with no charges for years in jails the red cross cant visit. Or unfairly tax them, not let gaza have a port, not let palestinians export, shell and snipe them in reaction to the extreme minority.

Israel is doing the exact smae thing in lebenan. They HAD the worlds backing until the death ratios and infrastructure damage came to light. Now they're just creating more terrorists by blowing up power plants, neighborhoods, and letting people starve.

Tadowe, I agree with your assement: "I think your "disagreement" with Israel is partisanly directed, and that you would like Israel to fail in their defense, or be embarrassed when they try to defend themself . . . so that you can blame Bush and the hated and reviled "Neocons."

Don't you find it ironic that the same people who are crucifying Mel Gibson's drunken anti-semitic comments, are the same people who give their tacit support to Hamas, Hezbolah and Iran/Syria in their quest to wipe Israel off the map.

As I said, only an idiot or an anti-semite could not see who the "good guy" and "bad guy" is in this conflict.

Only an idiot views two armies murdering and subjugating the peACEFUL 95% of civilians as a good guy/bad guy situation.

All sides are wrong.

Egeland placed the current number of displaced Lebanese at upward of 600,000 and said he expected it to soon top a million people. He indicated he could not provide a figure for displaced Israelis because Israel hadn't asked the UN for assistance. The Government Press Office puts the number at 250,000 individuals.

He said he was deeply struck by what he had observed first-hand during his tour of the region, particularly the "Christians, Druse, Maronites, Sunnis, who all hated Israel" when before they had hated Hizbullah, and the rubble of Beirut, which he said looked "a little bit like the end of the Second World War. It was block after block after block down in some kind of a carpet bombing."

in their quest to wipe Israel off the map.

I don't want that. And I DO NOT approve of Hezbollahs methods or tactics.

But fuckin A...Israel is making a huge tactical error, and I can't even comment on that withut being called an appeaser, terrorist, terrorist supporter, anti-semite, or nazi.

Maybe less people would hate Israel if you could have an adult conversation about their policies without being compared to Adolph hitler or Osama Bin laden. It's hard to play victim card when you murder people. Ask Hamas, ask Hezbollah.

I've seen NOT ONE post on drudge saying that either group was right to blow up civilians. Not one. Prove me wrong, and I will speak against that post.

Alex, sorry you are 100% wrong.

First, not sure where you came up with the 95% "peceful" figure. Please cite your source.

2nd, Israle has dropped millions of flyers on Lebanon telling the citizenry that they should get out because Hezbolah had set up among them and were using them as human shields..and this tactic would not prevent Israel from destroying the Hezbolah. Any Lebanese who continued to stay in that area, did so at their own risk.

3rd, Hezbolah targets civilains on purpose with the intent of killing as many civilians as possible.. Israel targets hezbolah positions with the intention of destroying the terrorist group.

4th, Only an idiot, would give equal moral weight to the objectives and action of israel and the terrorists. Israel simply wants to be left alone and live in peace. Hezbolah, et al, want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Israel is good. hezbolah is bad.

Tadowe- How many times are you going to bring the conversation back to YOU? How many times you gonna post that link in one thread?

You're worse than Niceville, man. At least he's trying to spread his version(albeit twisted version) of God to save people.

You're just playing with yourself in the mirror and forcing us to watch.

Only an idiot, would give equal moral weight to the objectives and action of israel and the terrorists.

10 to 1 ratio on one side.

Hiding among civilians on the other.

Call me an idiot all you like. I suppose it's better than the other names you were gonna use, child.

Alex, please don't lie. you didn't just say Israel was making a "tactical error". If that was so, nobody would be calling you a "terrorist supporter".

No, what got you called a "terrorist supporter' is that you find a moral equivalency between Hezbolah and Israel.

As I said, Only an idiot or an anti-semite, would give equal moral weight to the objectives and action of israel and the terrorists. Israel simply wants to be left alone and live in peace. Hezbolah, et al, want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Israel is good. hezbolah is bad.

The bottom line remains....if 1559 had been implemented, Hezbolah would not have had the missiles and militia to attack Israel with.

If Hezbolah had not committed an act of war and attacked Israel unprovoked killing and kidnaping their soldiers, then Israel would not have had to respond in defense of its sovereignty.

As I said, only an idiot or an anti-semite could not see who the "good guy" and "bad guy" is in this conflict.

You want the number, derfla?

Take the total palestinian population in the ME and subtract the known number of Hamas members.

Then tell me which group is way bigger.

As I said, only an idiot or an anti-semite could not see who the "good guy" and "bad guy" is in this conflict.

keep repeating yourself, as always. It marks your comments for the thoughtless spam they are.

I'll bet Israel leads the world in UN resolution violations, but partisan simpletons like you don't care. Your new buzzword "terrorism" means all. As long as the terrorism is done by brown people, anyway.

Alex, please don't lie. you didn't just say Israel was making a "tactical error".

Go read my posts, dickhead. I disagree with Israel tactically in the lebenon situation. And in Gaza, the way they subjugate palestinians. I understand why they made the choices they did, but they were wrong...and the violence has onyl continued.

All sides won't give an inch...and the vast majority of civilians in the ME that are being peaceful eat bombs for it.

I'm tired of our tax money funding this neverending failure. I'm tired of idiots blowing themselves up. I'm tired of 10 times a murder rate on one side being Ok becuase they "didn't mean it"

TRUE anti-semitism is looking at Israel and saying "they're right on track. This is the best they're capable of" It's not.

I repeat this because it's important.
(and because I'm going back to bed now)

TRUE anti-semitism is looking at Israel and saying "they're right on track. This is the best they're capable of" It's not.

Defla5 says, "alex, Israel is not punishing "civilians". Hezbolah, in civilian clothes, has had 6 years to set up and dig-in among civilian neighborhoods."

Alex replies, "Hahaha."

Stage direction to dismiss what was said without any need for reason/rebuttal.

Alex goes on, "Yeah, they don't kidnap peopl[sic] and hold them with no charges for years in jails the red cross cant visit."

So, you agree that the IRA had a valid reason to murder British civilians because IRA members were held under British law different from that of the US?

"Or unfairly tax them, not let gaza have a port, not let palestinians export, shell and snipe them in reaction to the extreme minority."

So, if Palestine conducts human sacrifice in support of their religious goal to do genocide on Israel, they should be allowed to use Haifa, instead of building a port of their own? That they should be free to use all Israel's facilities and welfare organizations without any need to pay for them -- while they blow themselves up to get revenge on Israel for asking them to help pay for the benefits they receive?

Are you serious?

"Israel is doing the exact smae thing in lebenan. They HAD the worlds backing until the death ratios and infrastructure damage came to light."

I know! Why don't you partisans attack Washington with rockets, while you are hiding yourselves behind your wive's and children -- that way, when they shoot back at you, you can blame them for killing the civilians that you actually caused the death of by hiding amongst them!

That's the ticket! You'll win that way, if your Hezbollah friends will come to your assistance and claim that the US is killing poor Democrat civilians -- those stingy rich loving neocon cabrons!

"Now they're just creating more terrorists by blowing up power plants, neighborhoods, and letting people starve."

Got it! Your contention is that Israel, with the help of the US, is actually the cause of terrorism. . .

. . . and the solution is: withdraw from Iraq and stop aid to Israel . . . is that what you are saying?

Hezbollah will consider the loss of a few civilians a small price for your helping them, Alex . . .

Another ghoulish victory for the Democrats to enjoy and for the bloggers to emphasize for their party . . .

Good work, Alex.

Alex, so what your saying is you made up the 95% "peaceful" figure in order to make your pathetic argument.

BTW: I repost comments because knuckleheads like yourself refuse to respond on point. So I keep reposting until you do....which is mostly never.

"All sides won't give an inch" is also an incorrect statement. Israel got out of Lebanon and the west bank...only to see those two areas used as launching pads for missiles and covert attacks into Israel. Every piece of land which Israel has had to occupy came about only after an attack by neighbors who want to wipe Israel off the map.

Israel left Lebanon on the assurance that there would be peaceful coexeistence with the UN oversight of 2000 peacekeepers and implementation of 1559. The peacekeepers allowed 10,000 missiles to be shipped inot Hezbolah right under their nose, and 1559 was not implemented. So when Israel was attacked it had no choice but to defend itself.

The bottom line remains....if 1559 had been implemented, Hezbolah would not have had the missiles and militia to attack Israel with.

If Hezbolah had not committed an act of war and attacked Israel unprovoked killing and kidnaping their soldiers, then Israel would not have had to respond in defense of its sovereignty.

As I said, only an idiot or an anti-semite could not see who the "good guy" and "bad guy" is in this conflict.

As I said, Only an idiot or an anti-semite, would give equal moral weight to the objectives and action of israel and the terrorists. Israel simply wants to be left alone and live in peace. Hezbolah, et al, want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Israel is good. hezbolah is bad.

Tad- So, you agree that the IRA had a valid reason to murder British civilians because IRA members were held under British law different from that of the US?

Reasons, yes. The right? No. Fuck with the bull, and you get the horns.

The Israleis have tried the same tired and brutal solutions longer than both of us have been drawing oxygen, tad. To expect them to work now is insane.

Derfla- You can do the math yourself. Take the palestinian population of Gaza and the west bank, and subtract the known membership of hamas. Then you'll have your number of civilians not engaging in war.

And quit spamming your opinion because you have no facts.

If Hezbolah had not committed an act of war and attacked Israel unprovoked killing and kidnaping their soldiers, then Israel would not have had to respond in defense of its sovereignty.

Bullshit. When Sharon was in charge he responded to threats like this by exchanging prisoners with Hezbollah, and tons of civilians didn't die on both sides to rocket fire.

The new leader of israel WANTED this fight.

Derfla- so "good" doesn't do BAD in the name of good?

"bad" doesn't do good, ever?

What a small world you reside in.

And please gentlemen...tell me how Israel using the same invasion/occupation tactics in lebanon NOW that they did for 18 years is going to change anything?

Hezbollah was CREATED in that 18 years as a response to Israeli occupation. Right or wrong morally, that is a FACT. And they have no hope of beating them down in a few weeks, when almost two decades failed. NONE.

What monster will Israel create against itself this time?

alex, "You can do the math yourself.". you are the person that made the claim, why can't you support it? because it is bullshit. Either YOU porvide a source for your claim that Israel is "subjugating the peACEFUL 95% of civilians" or back-off it and admit you just made it up.

Also, I am not spamming my opinion because I have no facts...I am reposting my opinion because you have not responded on point. Neither have you disputed anything I've said.
Israel got out of Lebanon and the west bank...only to see those two areas used as launching pads for missiles and covert attacks into Israel. Every piece of land which Israel has had to occupy came about only after an attack by neighbors who want to wipe Israel off the map.

Israel left Lebanon on the assurance that there would be peaceful coexeistence with the UN oversight of 2000 peacekeepers and implementation of 1559. The peacekeepers allowed 10,000 missiles to be shipped inot Hezbolah right under their nose, and 1559 was not implemented. So when Israel was attacked it had no choice but to defend itself.

The bottom line remains....if 1559 had been implemented, Hezbolah would not have had the missiles and militia to attack Israel with.

If Hezbolah had not committed an act of war and attacked Israel unprovoked killing and kidnaping their soldiers, then Israel would not have had to respond in defense of its sovereignty.

As I said, only an idiot or an anti-semite could not see who the "good guy" and "bad guy" is in this conflict.

Derfla- it's simple math. And it will teach you how to differentiate your opinion from fact.

if I'm full of shit, then prove me wrong with some research, spam-artist.

Olmert seized upon Hezbollah's capture of two Israeli soldiers to unleash the IDF in a pre-planned attack to make the Lebanese people suffer until the Lebanese government disarms Hezbollah, a task the Israeli army could not accomplish in 18 years of occupation.

And that's a god damn fact, right there.

"I'll bet Israel leads the world in UN resolution violations, but partisan simpletons like you don't care."

But what none of you who use this argument ever mention is most of those resolutions contain a provision that calls for ALL militias to be disarmed. Were they? Ever ? ...

This sentiment is abosultely correct

"only an idiot or an anti-semite could not see who the "good guy" and "bad guy" is in this conflict."

Unless you really don't know, or you don't want to know what Hizb'Allah is, picking the good guy and bad guy should be a no brainer. Or maybe you like fascism? Perhaps radical Islam and all that follows is your cup of tea? That's what Hizb'Allah is. Sure, now during the bombing you hear and see a rally around the flag in Beirut but when this os over it'll all fade fast especially if the thugs are no longer around to intimidate the population. Why do you think the Lebanese government and people supported UN Res 1559 calling for among other things, the disarming of Hizb'Allah ? Why? Because they love them so much?

There's so much propaganda pouring out of Lebanon that seems to be consumed with a great deal of glee by the Left - as if its all very real. The so called civilian casualty numbers that the MSM runs to report only to find out they were wrong sometimes by HALF, the crap about Israeli actually "losing" - that was a thread on this site, which was patently absurd given Israel had been using a fraction of a fraction of its force, nevertheless it was with a great deal of fake consternation that many were able to finally ponder Israeli losing I suspect hoping it were really true, and even here where I've tried my best to pin people to the mat and make them say they either support Hizb'Allah or support Israel since there is no middle ground here only to find that the Left double talks around the question and tries never to answer which of course is a vote of support for Hizb'Allah and I think most of America has observed the weasel dance and will remember it come November. I know I will. Democrats can not be trusted to support Israel or more importantly to support America's national security by recognizing the threat that plays out all over the globe every single day - the same threat that Dems here will deny exists.


I'm only happy some of my family who were major players in Democratic Party politics are no longer alive to see the advent of this Democratic coaltion with radical Islam. It would have made them physically ill.

Alex says, "Bullshit. When Sharon was in charge he responded to threats like this by exchanging prisoners with Hezbollah, and tons of civilians didn't die on both sides to rocket fire."

So, you seem to indicate that you want a terrorist status quo, eh? Whenever the terrorists want a prisoner, they fire some rockets and kill some civilians (which you will ignore because it is Israel's fault they won't give them Haifa and ask for taxes when facilities are used) and that will allow them to succeed in using violence to get their way, politically. . .

. . . appeasement and agreement with the tactics of terrorism . . .

"The new leader of israel WANTED this fight."

So, his buddies in Hezbollah went right along with Israel's desires, is that what you believe, Alex? That Hezbollah and the present leader of Israel are partners in planning and promoting terrorism?

Otherwise, it would seem to me that you are the one apologising for terrorism by blaming it on the victim of the terrorism . . .

Something so illogical that I wonder if that's what you meant, after all . . .?

Olmert seized upon Hezbollah's capture of two Israeli soldiers to unleash the IDF in a pre-planned attack to make the Lebanese people suffer until the Lebanese government disarms Hezbollah, a task the Israeli army could not accomplish in 18 years of occupation.

Read the article, tad,

Like I said ... Dems don't recognize the global threat radical Islam presents

"JAKARTA - More than 200 Islamic militants from Southeast Asia have
been sent on missions to bomb Israel's "vital interests" and countries that support the Jewish state, their leader said on Friday.

The militants have been trained to carry out suicide bombings to avenge Israel's military strikes on the Palestinian territories and Lebanon, said Suaib Didu, chairman of the Jakarta-based ASEAN Muslim Youth Movement.

Or maybe you like fascism?

This coming from the guy who thinks that Israel can never go too far, and has admitted such.

Tell the normal palestinians your views on fascism, gz...maybe some would be kind enough not to laugh in your face. If you can talk to them before their curfews are up, or if they aren't hit by sniper fire for no reason.

But mao says they're "free"!

"Olmert seized upon Hezbollah's capture of two Israeli soldiers to unleash the IDF in a pre-planned attack "


Why are you leaving out the cross border attack that left a number of Israeli soldiers dead before they kidnapped two who survived ?

And why are you leaving out the missiles and rockets that had been fired into Israeli cities on a daily basis.

Derfla- The military wing of Hamas thats responsible for the vast majority of terrorism is the Izz al Din Qassam Brigades...

They've a few hundred, and have "tens of thousands of supporters."

There are almost 4 million palestinians in Gaza and the west bank. You're welcome. I'll accept your apology whenever.

Alex responds, "Reasons, yes. The right? No. Fuck with the bull, and you get the horns."

Not a valid "reason," Alex, and it is the same with Hezbollah -- they do NOT have a valid reason to attack Israel using terrorism. Too bad you can't admit that.

"The Israleis have tried the same tired and brutal solutions longer than both of us have been drawing oxygen, tad. To expect them to work now is insane."

That just isn't so, Alex, and since the effort has been, in every case and incident to hold Israel responsible for any fighting AFTER they are attacked. The international community DEMANDS that Israel NOT SUCCEED in defeating Hezbollah or Hamas! Or, if they do, that Israel retreat from occupied territory and allow the terrorists to regroup, resupply and start the attacks all over again!

"And quit spamming your opinion because you have no facts."

You have no facts! You project your lack of support onto others! That's sad, Alex, and apparently a compulsion with you!

Gzlives- Isreal fired the rockets first.

Think about it derfla. "tens of thousands" 90 thousand at most by that estimate.(google it son)

Among about 3.7 million palestinians in Gaza/west bank.

Looks like my 95% number wasn't "bullshit" huh? I know you won't apologize though.

Alex, "Israel using the same invasion/occupation tactics in lebanon NOW that they did for 18 years is going to change anything?"

You're so wrong it is tragic.

Israeli occupation is not the cause of the hatred by hezbolah and others. Even if Israel pulled back entirely to its 1948 borders Hesbolah, Hamas, Iran and Syria would not recognize Israel and would still be seeking to destroy it.

Also, if the only reason for Hezbolah to exist was that it "was CREATED in that 18 years as a response to Israeli occupation." Then once Israel got out of Lebanon, hezbolah should have happily disbanded under 1559. That they did not shows how disengenous Hezbolah's reason for being is, and how flawed your argument is.

Here'a little history lesson:

When Israel was created in 1948 many of its neighbors vowed to destroy it. Israel has always mainmtained its desire for a peaceful coexistence with its neighbor states. Israel has never threatened to wipe it's neighbor states off the map. In

Yet many of it's neighbors and the terrorist groups they fund have maintained their dedication to wiping Israel from the face of the earth.

These terror regimes and organizations have continuously attacked Israel forcing it to defend its sovereignty time and time again.

The result of these wars has often been that Israel was forced to occupy territory which these terror regimes and groups had used to launch their attacks on Israel.

years and years of negotiation convinced Israel that they could leave these territorities with the promises that peace ful coexistence would be a reality if they did.

So Israel left Lebanon. Israel left the West bank. And what happened, hamas began firing missiles and sneaking covertly into Israel to ambush, kill, and kidnap their soldiers. Then hezbolah did the same from Lebanon.

Israel left Lebanon on the assurance that there would be peaceful coexeistence with the UN oversight of 2000 peacekeepers and implementation of 1559. The peacekeepers allowed 10,000 missiles to be shipped inot Hezbolah right under their nose, and 1559 was not implemented. So when Israel was attacked it had no choice but to defend itself.

The bottom line remains....if 1559 had been implemented, Hezbolah would not have had the missiles and militia to attack Israel with.

If Hezbolah had not committed an act of war and attacked Israel unprovoked killing and kidnaping their soldiers, then Israel would not have had to respond in defense of its sovereignty.

As I said, only an idiot or an anti-semite could not see who the "good guy" and "bad guy" is in this conflict.

GZ asks, "Why are you leaving out the cross border attack that left a number of Israeli soldiers dead before they kidnapped two who survived ? And why are you leaving out the missiles and rockets that had been fired into Israeli cities on a daily basis."

Because they are NOT interested in actual facts, just the sleezy "facts" which they invent and spew, and which justifies their attempt to profit from this war by blaming it on the Israelis, and by proxy Bush.

They actually support terrorism, terrorists and terrorist organizations in order to defeat the entire US, so that their party can benefit by gaining votes. They are slimey, subversive terrorist supporting fascists . . . and the running-yellow-dogs-of-
American-politics. . .

Victory for them will be defeat in Iraq, and the continued marginalization of the right for Israel to exist and defend itself . . .

Verminous traitor wannabes . . .

Alex says, "Gzlives- Isreal fired the rockets first."

I can't find any reference to this, Alex? Could you provide a link, please? Thanks.

They actually support terrorism, terrorists and terrorist organizations in order to defeat the entire US, so that their party can benefit by gaining votes.

You're mad. I've clearly illistrated my views on all sides in this conflict. I even copied and pasted it again.

But you still attribute your pathetic strawman horsecrap to me, so you have an excuse to "revile and dehumanize me" and "make me the subject of your obsession" and "cyber stalking"

Everywhere you look, you see YOU and your own sins. Buddy, i got enough of my own, I don't need to suffer for yours.

alex, you are the person that made the claim, why can't you support it? because it is bullshit. Either YOU provide a source for your claim that Israel is "subjugating the peACEFUL 95% of civilians" or back-off it and admit you just made it up.

It is not my job to prove you wrong....I know you are wrong. There is no way that you could possibly know that 95% of the Lebanese people are "peaceful" meaning they are not supporting hezbolah in any way, in their attacks on Israel.

Since hezbolah doesn't even wear uniforms there is no way to even differnntiate between terrorists and peaceful civilians...yet you seem to KNOW that 95% are peaceful, and only 5% are hezbolah and their supporters.

How do you know this ...you can't . It's bullshit.. You made it up...and I called you on your shit..and your too full of pride to admit you misspoke.

So either provide a link to the source for your claim or take it back.

Alex says, "You're mad. I've clearly illistrated[sic] my views on all sides in this conflict. I even copied and pasted it again."

What are you talking about?

"But you still attribute your pathetic strawman horsecrap to me, so you have an excuse to "revile and dehumanize me" and "make me the subject of your obsession" and "cyber stalking""

Oh, I see, you are putting the shoe on your own foot!!!

"Everywhere you look, you see YOU and your own sins. Buddy, i got enough of my own, I don't need to suffer for yours."

You, Alex, have the right to generalize an insult and see if I fall for it. . . put my #10 in to see if it fits!

I doubt I will react in the same stupid way you always do to any such generalization, Swifty . . .

"This coming from the guy who thinks that Israel can never go too far, and has admitted such."

Do I think they can not go far enought to kill Hizb'Allah ... yep that's correct.

"Tell the normal palestinians your views on fascism, gz...maybe some would be kind enough not to laugh in your face"

I do and I have and you're naive and wrong. I have Palestinian and Syrian and Lebanese friends and we often have this discussion as you might imagine.
They already know they're being held hostage by the equivalent of the Bloods ...
People like you have some fantasy of these thugs being some sort of "freedom fighters" but you never seem to notice how they will kill each other when they aren't able to kill Israelis. Just a few weeks ago it was Fatah fighters killing Hamas fighters ... remember ?

You think its all very black and white.

Israel is the bad guy and the rest are all wonderful resistance fighters helping their people in their victimization by the new Nazis ... Israel.

First we had 40 years of Arafat and that stopped any progress, and now its getting rid of the thugs that were first organized as private armies for various agendas but you still believe its got something to do with Israel aside from Israel being the convenient excuse for these gangs existing. Peace in the region spells the end of these gangs and then what will they all do? Collect unemployment? Do you understand the dilemma now. Do you actually think Hizb'Allah care about Palestinians or Lebanese? They follow their orders from Iran and their paymasters are the Syrians and beyond that, they could care less.
That's what Palestinian, Syrian and Lebanese think give or take a few variations.
Surprised? Don't be when you live next to or in the same village as armed gangs who will kill your family if you speak your mind ...

That's my idea of fascism Alex

"How do you know this ...you can't . It's bullshit.. You made it up...and I called you on your shit..and your too full of pride to admit you misspoke. So either provide a link to the source for your claim or take it back.Posted by Derfla5"

Watch out, Alex. Next he'll be threatening to "fart in your general direction."

Tadowe, Alex is just mad because we respond to his points and he is incapapble of responding to ours so rather then deal with us honestly he deflects and pretends that he has by saying " I've clearly illistrated[sic] my views on all sides in this conflict. I even copied and pasted it again." he is a child.

The fact is, he has told us his views of the conflict and we have shown him why we disagree and why he is wrong, his reasoning flawed, and his understanding of history pathetic.

His response has been to make up "facts", ignore the history of the region, and continue to make the specious claim for "moral equivalency" between Israel and hezbolah.

In short, he got his ass whupped on this thread.

In that case, I believe Derfla and Mr. Dowe should reward themselves by taking the rest of the day off.

I got my "ASS WHUPPED"? You're funny, derfla.

My above post just made you eat your "he lied" words...and you couldn't even wait 5 minutes for me to get the sources before declaring victory.

I provided links. I didn't spam the same opinion over and over again. i tried to be reasonable, factual, and rational with you while you were spamming that i was an idiot/or anti-semite every fucking post.

Well forget it. Youre a god damn willfull idiot, derfla. And facts bounce off of you because you can't even recognize one, or put any together.

Your OPINION is not a fact. Learn that.

And prove to me that the vast majority of palestinians are terrorists. YOU CANT.

"because we respond to his points"

What are you, the pope?

"In short, he got his ass whupped on this thread."

I've observed Alex on the DR, Lokiderfl, and it would take a big boot, not a thread, to whup his ass.

Basically what we have here are 3 people vs 1.

At least 2 of the 3 have commented that there is no abyss that Israel should not fall into to protect itself. In fact, it's DESIRABLE for Israel to kill as many people as possible according to some.

The 1 on the other side(me) thinks that's bullshit, and only creates more terrorism.

I'll ask again, to gzlives, tad, and derfla...

How is Israel gonna "Win" with these attacks and occupation when they couldn't do it in lebanon for 18 years, and their very presence created the organization they are currently fighting?

They can't win this way.

Doc- I've gotten whupped before. And that's a good thing. Rethinking ones ideas is awesome.

But clinging to the idea that Israel can do no wrong is INSANE. And to cling to the idea that any criticism of Isreal's stupidity is anti-semitic or idiotic is also INSANE.

I give credit to Gzlives for not calling me a terrorist, anti-semite or whatever else I ignored in this thread. I disagree with his viewpoint vehemently, but he can reason and be a friggin adult. Kudos.

And Derfla5 has still not enlightened us on what the Generals were thinking when they were saying Iraq could soon be in a Civil War.

He hasn't been able to wrap his maind round that thread, but we can hope he will tell us how wrong the Generals are.

"They've got to love their children more than they hate each other" - Gen Peter Pace. Isn't that a sign of imminent Victory after three and a half years?

"I give credit to Gzlives for not calling me a terrorist, anti-semite"

Because you're not

So tell me, derfla...mr math major...

Are the vast majority of palestinians terrorists or not? I provided links for my argument.

Now it's your turn to prove I 'lied' Prick.

And to clarify...I was WRONG about the missile strikes.

I information I had was an earlier date. In THIS instance of escalation, Hezollah DID fire rockets first after capturing 2 israeli soldiers.

MY ERROR. Sorry.(see that didn't hurt at all, derfla. I don't have a pride problem)

And for the record...I've been multitasking while kicking you two clowns in the jacobs.

alex, you lied. You made it up. Your links are not "facts" and they deal with Hamas and the Palestinians which is completely off-point. we were discussing hezbolah and lebanon whne you made the claim w --so right there you deflected from your 95% claim.

Also, you said 95% of those lebanese civilians were peaceful suggesting that only 5% were hezbolah.

There is no possible way you could know this. There is no way that you could possibly know that 95% of the Lebanese people are "peaceful" meaning they are not supporting hezbolah in any way, in their attacks on Israel.

Since hezbolah doesn't even wear uniforms there is no way to even differnntiate between terrorists and peaceful civilians...yet you seem to KNOW that 95% are peaceful, and only 5% are hezbolah and their supporters.

How do you know this ...you can't . It's bullshit.. You made it up...and I called you on your shit..and your too full of pride to admit you misspoke.

Now beowulf really sounds like a great intellectual giant.

Don't mess with him, he so smart!

Posted by Crassus at 2006-08-03 11:11 PM | Reply

Yep, that was kind of dumb, but not anything near as dumb as what some cumbucket wrote below...




And the fact that you did not know that the lebanon army and Hezbollah are partners in the protection of Lebanon is abhorent.

The simple fact remains, they are wearing battle gear like a soldier not a terrorist. Seems they are identified, now onto the myth of hiding behind civilians........

Posted by Crassus at 2006-08-02 01:26 PM | Reply

Also, you said 95% of those lebanese civilians were peaceful suggesting that only 5% were hezbolah.

Not what I said.

I said PALESTINIANS and HAMAS.

I wasn't talking about lebanon there. Tery to pay attention, son.

sit, "And Derfla5 has still not enlightened us on what the Generals were thinking when they were saying Iraq could soon be in a Civil War."

Deflection. Stay on point.

Derfla- Now read my links,(which if you had, you'd know we were talking about palestinians...so you just showed me you didnt even bother to look at my links)

PROVE I lied with FACTS and LINKS...or just admit my "lying" is your OPINION, which is worth somewhat less than a frozen dog turd.

Alex, "How is Israel gonna "Win" with these attacks and occupation when they couldn't do it in lebanon for 18 years, and their very presence created the organization they are currently fighting?"

I answered this question.

Israeli occupation is not the cause of the hatred by hezbolah and others. Even if Israel pulled back entirely to its 1948 borders Hesbolah, Hamas, Iran and Syria would not recognize Israel and would still be seeking to destroy it.

Also, if the only reason for Hezbolah to exist was that it "was CREATED in that 18 years as a response to Israeli occupation." Then once Israel got out of Lebanon, hezbolah should have happily disbanded under 1559. That they did not shows how disengenous Hezbolah's reason for being is, and how flawed your argument is.

Here'a little history lesson:

When Israel was created in 1948 many of its neighbors vowed to destroy it. Israel has always mainmtained its desire for a peaceful coexistence with its neighbor states. Israel has never threatened to wipe it's neighbor states off the map. In

Yet many of it's neighbors and the terrorist groups they fund have maintained their dedication to wiping Israel from the face of the earth.

These terror regimes and organizations have continuously attacked Israel forcing it to defend its sovereignty time and time again.

The result of these wars has often been that Israel was forced to occupy territory which these terror regimes and groups had used to launch their attacks on Israel.

years and years of negotiation convinced Israel that they could leave these territorities with the promises that peace ful coexistence would be a reality if they did.

So Israel left Lebanon. Israel left the West bank. And what happened, hamas began firing missiles and sneaking covertly into Israel to ambush, kill, and kidnap their soldiers. Then hezbolah did the same from Lebanon.

The only way Israel can WIN is if the militant Muslim world accepts the right of Israel to exist and stops attacking it.

In order to even create the opportunity for that to happen, Israel must continue to exist and not get wiped off the face of the earth. These tactics, which Israel has used since 1948, have prevented Israel from getting destroyed and therefore have been quite succesful in providing an opportunity for peaceful coexistence.

Israeli occupation is not the cause of the hatred by hezbolah and others.

BWAHAHAHAAHA!

Hezbollah emerged and was backed finacially by iranin the 1980s! It started to drive Israel from lebanon.

And you call ME ignorant of history? Wtf.

Let's just agree Crappus is retarded. OK?

Derfla- Hezbollah is not going to disband when Israel is still firing shit at them. Nor is it going to disband as long as their palestinians neighbors are treated they way they are.

Once these groups form they don't usually just dry up and blow away, regardless of how you FEEL they "logically" should.

FFS...we're actually arguing that Hezbollah wasn't started by the occupation? What did you do in history class? Sleep?

alex, "Hezbollah is not going to disband when Israel is still firing shit at them"

So now you are saying that israel has been firing missiles continuously into Lebanon since 2000? Source please.

You know, you are such a disingenous dickehead. Don't even bother ...you know damn well that Israel has not been attacking Lebanon. Wehen Israel lkeft lebanon they did so with the intention of peaceful coexistence based on a mutual assurance that neither the Lebanese or israel would attack each other. Hezbolah broke that trust...noone else.

Derfla- you don't attention. Worse, you're nasty in your stupidity..

I was talking about palestinian peoples and hamas.

YOU were the guy that didn['t get it and kept coming back to lebanon and hezbollah while I was comparing the two arab organizations.

You didn't get it, obviously, and continue to think i was talking about 95% of lebanese being peaceful, when I never fuckin said that.

Among about 3.7 million palestinians in Gaza/west bank.

Looks like my 95% number wasn't "bullshit" huh? I know you won't apologize though.

You want the number, derfla?

Take the total palestinian population in the ME and subtract the known number of Hamas members.

Then tell me which group is way bigger.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2006-08-04 07:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

LEARN TO COMPREHEND WHAT YOU ARE READING. Does it say "lebanese" in there? HUH?

You owe me an apology.

See? The Left/Democrat subversives can't manage to discuss the issue AT ALL; except to make up lies and to shift the subject (inevitably) onto their correspondents and defaming them -- then gathering around at gang-headquarters to agree with each the other. . .

What pathetic examples of the Democratic Party they present for examination!

Liars, subversives and out-and-out supporters of terrorists and their terrorism!!!

Their Battle Cry: Hezbollar was Provoked By the Evil Neocons into Attacking Israel with Rockets

They are finally out of the closet and have openly joined the terrorists to defeat the United States and its ally, Israel. . .

You craven traitors . . .

Derfla- I also never said isreal continously fired. AGAIN...if you fucking read any links I pasted for you, you'd know why Hezbollah is still around.

But then again, you can't seem to understand that when i say palestinians and hamas I dont mean Lebanese and Hezbollah.

Do they all just look the same to you, dude?

Don't deflect, Alex. We were not discussing 'fucking'

So now you are telling me that in this one instance, when the whole thread is about hezbolah, you were actually talking only about Hamas...and that your 95% claim of "peacefule civilians" had nothing to do with the lebanese at all...you were only talking about the palestinians!!!.

You're really just noT ANY GOOD AT PAYING ATTENTION, ARE YOU?

We were discussing the simularities between the two groups of people, and I said 95% were innocent. You though i meant lebanon. My next post had PALESTINIAN population numbers and HAMAS estimates.

A rational person would see that they made an error in assuming what i was talking about, and would either apologize for calling me a liar, or prove that i was wrong about the palestinian numbers.

You did neither, because you are not a rational person.

I'll post it again:

Think about it derfla. "tens of thousands" 90 thousand at most by that estimate.(google it son)

Among about 3.7 million palestinians in Gaza/west bank.

Looks like my 95% number wasn't "bullshit" huh? I know you won't apologize though.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2006-08-04 08:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Take a breath. Calm down and learn to read. Now prove something...or go shout your opinion at the mountain.

You stupid, subversive traitorous vermin!

. . . traitorous scum . . .

You are cowards, subversives and traitorous vermin

That's slimey. . . that's subversive . . . that's traitorous behavior

stupid little pissant traitors

you bunch of partisan, slimey, traitors!

Verminous traitor wannabes . . .

Is it just me, or do I detect an underlying theme in Tadfly's terminal meltdown?

You are not only a liar, your a fucken asshole and a liar. Stop wasting peoples time.

Posted by Derfla5


The exact moment Derfla5 lost.

Everyone- Have I gone insane...or did derfla assume I meant one group, called me a liar, then refused to argue the point, and use and links or facts to argue the point?

I'd really like him to answer my question and prove that the majority of palestinians are terrorists, as he's seems to imply I'm wrongfully denying.

tad- Get a hobby that doesn't involve your reflection.

their Battle Cry: Hezbollar was Provoked By the Evil Neocons into Attacking Israel with Rockets

Whch no one but you has said! If it sounds crazy, and you're the only one typing it...

It's in your head.

Derfloco, seek some professional help. You sound exactly like Lokisfur. Perhaps an exorcist could help. And be sure to take Tadfly with you.

Reginald Derfla5 IS Lokisfur or haven't You figured that out Yet ??

Larry

I think we've been witnessing the complete meltdown of the republican movement in the past few years.

it's a shame, cuz regardless of what justsomeguy says, they have some good ideas...but they've allowed their party to be hijacked by partisan true believers that worship things without understanding why...and don't change their opinions no matter the facts.

I truly hope that if the democrats take over in 06 and 08 that THEY don't get house/senate/president/ and 2 or 3 scotus justices. because I don't want to ever see politics in this shape again. Ever.

"Time to leave this thread, looks like Tadowe showed up. I wish he'd just play scrabble, or get laid."

Sage advice. Triple word score for "narcissist" you butthead

Derfla- I've made my points. You can continue to lie about them at your leasure. When you can distinguish between palestinians and lebonese when I post links talking about the population of ONE of thoise groups, call me.

alex, you lied

Nope, he didn't, and pathetic that you would say so. You have defended Bush for less and been adamant with the definition of "lie." You have split hairs on "lie" so many times it's laughable when you use it the way you have in this thread.

I concur, the only ass kicking going on here is to Derfla and Tadowe, and it's Alex's booted foot that is well planted.

Larry, I think you've 100% correct. Same syntax, same wild spelling errors when he gets excited, and certainly the same downward death spiraling.

See Derfla, when you dare disagree with Alexandrite, he will use the word "fucking" incessantly: call you names like: "Taddy Boy", "Bitch", "son", "prick", "clown"; he will call you stupid; criticize your reading comprehension level; accuse you of sleeping through history class; demand you apologize to him; demand you read everything he links to; tell you to learn something; tell you to get a hobby; to calm down and learn to read; and just basically act like an impudent little girl.

Now ReginaldPerrin is a whole new animal. He will call you names (Tadfly, Derfaloco, etc ... ) but not act nearly as frantically as Alexandrite.

Derfla, you would do better pissing on your brand new pair of leather wingtips and finding a new thread than continue on this one.

Just trying to help.

Reginald I can prove it's him.

Larry

Hey stop...you can feel free to prove I 'Lied'

Or that derfla has any reading comprehension whatsoever.

Or you can just mind your own business and let me make a monkey of you when i feel like it.

Reginald I can prove it's him.

Larry

Posted by LarryMohr at 2006-08-04 09:27 AM | Reply

If you're talking about Redneckville don't worry, I already proved it.

By the way Larry, why didn't you apologize for being wrong about Somalia? Clinton was the President when the Rangers and Delta Boys were yanked out of there after engaging the warlords. Not Bush 41 as you ignorantly claimed while calling somebody else stupid.

What a hoot. The BoxBoy talking about calling people "names." But, Derfloco, I'll give him this: You're getting it straight from the horse's mouth (?) when he talks about "pissing on your brand new pair of leather wingtips."

Yav says, "I concur, the only ass kicking going on here is to Derfla and Tadowe, and it's Alex's booted foot that is well planted."

It is easy for a kluge mensch like you to say so, but please provide an example of where Alex booted my ass. Perhaps it is where he says that Hezbollah is justified in attacking Israel?

How about where he indicates that Israel holding terrorists in jail gives Hamas/PLO the "reason" to use human sacrifice to advance their religious goal of genocide against Israel?

Why don't you describe for yourself how Israel is at fault for terrorists who shoot rockets at them and demand their total and complete destruction?

Come on, chochem, explain where it is okay for terrorists to use terrorism and why it is okay for you leftists to support that form of it being justifiably used against Israel. . .

. . .?

Box- I can't think of a single person in here that hasn't allowed you to kick your own ass. Really.

Perhaps it is where he says that Hezbollah is justified in attacking Israel?

Where did I say that? Provide a quote, boy.

Tad said: "So, you agree that the IRA had a valid reason to murder British civilians because IRA members were held under British law different from that of the US?"

Alex : Reasons, yes. The right? No. Fuck with the bull, and you get the horns.

That's what I said. Reasons, yes. The right to attack anyone, ever? NO. That's hardly saying Hez is justified to kill people, you liar.

Expecting Israel to understand causality after countless years of fighting is not "justification" for any killing. it's simply reality.

Why don't you describe for yourself how Israel is at fault for terrorists who shoot rockets at them and demand their total and complete destruction?

because it's dry in here and your strawman caught on fire. Sorry, it's dead.

alex, palesitinan or lebanese, your claim that 95% of them are "peaceful" is bullshit and impossible to prove.

In fact, to try and argue that 95% of Palesitniasn are peacefule and do not support the terorist Hamas in their destruction of Israel is even more ridiculous since Hamas was elected by a majority of the people.

As for the points you claim you made....they were almost all bullshit.. It is amazing how dishonest and full of shit you are. First the 95% claim.

Then your outright lie in response to my question "If Hezbolah was created because of Isrraels occupation of Lebanon then why didn't they disband when Israel left?

You said that Israel had been attacking Lebanon since they left in 2000!!!! :

"Hezbollah is not going to disband when Israel is still firing shit at them".

Only anti-semites and supporters such as yourself would even suggest that.

I said, "Perhaps it is where he says that Hezbollah is justified in attacking Israel?"

Alex responds, "Where did I say that? Provide a quote, boy."

I asked: "So, you agree that the IRA had a valid reason to murder British civilians because IRA members were held under British law different from that of the US?"

Alex replied, "Reasons, yes. The right? No. Fuck with the bull, and you get the horns."

Which is "justification" for Hezbollah attacking Israel!!!

You and all your leftist, subversive friends are identifying yourselves as petty subversive anti-patriots, on you behalf, Alex. I want to thank you for that and them, too, for coming out of the closet and demonstrating that anti-Israel, pro-terrorist stance.

You all might not be the swiftest bees in the hive, but you can sure be led around by your "stingers. . ."

alex, palesitinan or lebanese, your claim that 95% of them are "peaceful" is bullshit and impossible to prove.

I already did. I took the known population of palestinians in Gaza/West Bank, and subtracted the highest possible number from the know supporters.

about 3.5 million vs "hundreds of thousands"

The vast majority of palestinians are not terrorists. I have proven this with my links and rational thinking.

You have countered with "IS NOT!" and haven't proven a damn thing.

You said that Israel had been attacking Lebanon since they left in 2000!!!!

No i didn't. YOU implied I said continuous rocket attacks. Are you really this stupid? Do you expect Hezbollah to disband tomorrow while Israel is still firing at them?

And if you'd read my link...you'd know why Hezbollah didnt disband once Isreal pulled out.

But you are LAZY and IGNORANTLY OPINIONATED, and refused to read the links. Had you read any of them, you'd know the topics at hand, damnd you'd stop attriubting ming numbingly stupid opinions to me i didnt state.

Which is "justification" for Hezbollah attacking Israel!!!

No it's not. If you stick your hand in a blender, chances are you get hurt. It's not right when your friend turns the blender on, but he's an asshole.

After hundreds of years Isreal knows exactly how to push arab buttons, and vice versa. There's no more excuses for either of them anymore. They KNOW one action will lead to a bad outcome, but they do it anyway.

That's reality, and it sucks. YOU support the continued violence by advocating Israel do the same thing its been doing all along.

Good job.

PS- There is ZERO justification for targeting innocent civilians or their food sources in this situation. But both sides know that's going to happen if they play their stupid little games...And both sides continue the endless dance of insanity.

Choosing one side over the other is futile, since we fund both of them in different ways.

stop, thanks for the advice. Alex is a creep.

I had forgotten how dishonest some of thepeople here are....especially when they get caught making a dishonest claim they can't possibly back up.

So instead they will:

1) say that the discussion was reallly about something else.

2) ask you to figure it our for yourself, do the math, prove them wrong.

3) post links to irrelevant information.

4) refuse to respond to the points which do prove them wrong. (ie. How can anyone determine which civilians are "peaceful" or not when you can't begin to differntiate between a terrorist and a civilian.

I have to believe that this fundamental dishonesty on the part of people like Alex is pathological. There are certain sets of facts and circumstances which are a given. Yet Alex, and people like him will argue against even those indisputable facts (Indisputable: Israel left Lebanon in 2000 and lived in a peaceful coexistence with Lebanon until Hezbolah attacked israel unprovoked a few weeks ago) ...and when challenged, he will even go so far as to make up his own facts to fit his argument.

it is impossible to have a discussion with such a person. it is a waste of time.

Prior to the admnistration of electro shock therapy:

"Talk about a dishonest creep.You are not only a liar, your a fucken asshole and a liar. Stop wasting peoples time.
Posted by Derfla5 at 2006-08-04 08:59 AM | Reply"

After the administration of electro shock therapy:

"...it is impossible to have a discussion with such a person. it is a waste of time. Posted by Derfla5 at 2006-08-04 09:56 AM | Reply |"

Nurse, you may proceed with the countdown to the estimated time of the next meltdown. Igor, please recharge the batteries on the device.

rteginald, are you now claiming that only 5% of Palestinians support Hamas and their goal fo destroying Israel, and 95% of them support a peaceful coexistence with Israel. is that what you are saying.

Because that is what Alex said. He called 95% of palestinians, "Peaceful" as if they are innocent bystanders to what is going on between the 5% of the "not peaceful" palesitnians, and Israel.

Go ahead, I dare you to look completely stupid as you try to support Alex on this claim.

especially when they get caught making a dishonest claim they can't possibly back up.

I already backed it up with links and logic.

PROVE ME WRONG OR STFU.

1) say that the discussion was reallly about something else.

2) ask you to figure it our for yourself, do the math, prove them wrong.

3) post links to irrelevant information.

1- If you had followed me, you'd know what I was talking about. The mistkae was YOUR stupid assumption, not mine.

2- I asked you to do simple research for yourself, and frustrated at your laziness, did it anyway...which you now ignore, and REFUSE to disprove.

3- Irrelevant information? You didn't even READ the links or else you woudln't have confused Hamas and hezbelooah you damn IDIOT.

YAV was wrong. i didn't kick your ass. I had a relevant discussion while you made an ass of yourself.

rteginald, are you now claiming that only 5% of Palestinians support Hamas and their goal fo destroying Israel, and 95% of them support a peaceful coexistence with Israel. is that what you are saying.

Tell me that the majority of palestinians are terrorists, derfla. That's the issue here.

Are they terrorists, or not? If not...then how do you expect them to stop the crazy minority, and why should they suffer Israels wrath for the evils of the few?

That's been my point the entire time, derfla. The majority always pays in blood from the extremists. Tghis is the way it is in the Isreal/palestine conflict AND the lebonese/isreal conflict. If you think the majority of either peoples is full of terrorists, then you're just racist, stupid, or both.

But you're a little to quick to cheer on the bloodshed to think of any of this, huh?

"rteginald, are you now claiming....Go ahead, I dare you to look completely stupid as you try to support Alex on this claim. Posted by Derfla5"

I haven't said anything about "this claim." "Dare" not accepted. All I'm contending is that your feelings of insecurity appear to get the best of you when you commence the loop-de-loop that precedes your descent into the downward rhetorical death spiral that culminates in your inevitable crash.

"since Hamas was elected by a majority of the people."

Do you ever check anything you say? The primary definition of "majority" is "a number more than half of the total" (dictionary.reference.com). In other words, "The amount by which the greater number of votes cast, as in an election, exceeds the total number of remaining votes."

Although Hamas has a majority of the seats in the Plaestinian Legislative Council, it was not elected "by a majority of the people," as you assert. Hamas received 44% of the popular vote. (NYT 14 Feb. 2006.)

Posted by ReginaldPerrin at 2006-08-04 09:54 AM | Reply

Now, care to admit you're wrong?

Box- I can't think of a single person in here that hasn't allowed you to kick your own ass. Really.

Yes. You, Larry, ReginaldPerrin.

Alex, the offer is always open with me. Choose the subject, choose the time, I wil once again prove that I am smarter than you.

You are light work.

"See Derfla, when you dare disagree with Alexandrite, he will use the word "f***ing" incessantly: call you names like: "Taddy Boy", "Bitch", "son", "prick", "clown"; he will call you stupid; criticize your reading comprehension level; accuse you of sleeping through history class; demand you apologize to him; demand you read everything he links to; tell you to learn something; tell you to get a hobby; to calm down and learn to read; and just basically act like an impudent little girl."







Rumor has it he is having problems with La Fonda.

Hamas military wing is believed to have more than 1,000 members and thousands of sympathizers.

Out of maybe 3.2 million palestinians in Gaza/west bank.

Yeah...they're ALL terrorists, derfla.

You are light work

Son, you can't even tell when an entire thread is laughing at how bad you're making yourself look. I've lost count of the number of times Sarge, boyd, or anyone smashed you like a clueless bug.

Rumor has it he is having problems with La Fonda.

Does anyone have a decoder ring for this? i don't speak 'pious spameese'.

alex: "Tell me that the majority of palestinians are terrorists, derfla. That's the issue here."

No. The issue is your claim that 95% of palestinians are "peaceful" and not engaged in helping Hamas in any way to destroy Israel.

Are you now backing off that statement and suggesting that only more then 50% are "peaceful". If that is so, please provide a wource for that as well.

I would suggest that the large majority of palestinians support the destruction of Israel.

I would also suggest that the large majority of Lebanese are peaceful (though not 95%) and their nation has been hijacked by hezbolah who attacked Israel unilaterally without the support of the lebanese governemnt. It is tragic what has happened to Lebanon, and a situation that could have been avoided if the UN and lebanon had worked together to disarm and disband hezbolah per 1559, preventing them from becoming an armed state within a state that could wage war at will.

"Rumor has it he is having problems with La Fonda. Posted by niceville"

Igor! Another candidate for the device. Strap in him when and as you can. Oh, and the strap-on must be removed.

"since Hamas was elected by a majority of the people....Posted by Derfla5 "

Can you or can you not substantiate that claim? (I'm waiting for your creation of a new primary meaning for the word "majority."

I'm not backing off the statement at all.

I made an attempt to prove it with links that has hamas membership numners, and the population of palestinians in Israel from 2003.

YOUVE PROVEN NOTHING. No links, no facts, just "nuh uh"

I would suggest that the large majority of palestinians support the destruction of Israel.

Prove something. Try a fact instead of your opinion. Try a link to prove that. Fuck, a POLL. A NOTE FROM YOUR MOTHER. Something we can friggin discuss that based in facts and figures...not how you ~FEEL~

I would suggest that the large majority of palestinians support the destruction of Israel.

I would suggest that you learn how to research, and use links that aren't foxnews editorials.(when you bother with links at all)

reginald, I stand corrected, hamas only got 44% of the votes. Still far more then the 5% which Alex is claiming.

If Hamas is a terrorist organization that seeks the destruction of Israel, and 44% of the population votes to support that orgnaization in that goal...then one can hardly say that 95% of the palestinians are "peaceful", can they?

Posted by Derfla5 at 2006-08-04 10:20 AM

Only if you know exactly why each and every one of that 44% voted the way they did. I do not buy the arugment you've attempted to make that because a party's platform says X, everyone who identifies themselves as a member of the party believes in it. Fact is, you don't and can't possibly know the percentages.

I'll be generous and bump the numbers in that link for hamas members UP to 100,000. And the population of palestinians in israel DOWN to 3 million.

Care to do the % on that one? Seems the majority of people are peaceful, huh?

You can look up population and hamas numbers too, and refute mine...but you won't. I can google, why cant you?

Derfla- maybe the idea of hamas having a militant wing, and hamas having having a non militant wing escapes you.

Again. Google the population and the hamas membership.

Figure it out. i did, and you can't refute it.

Oh...and 44% is of the VOTING POPULATION, and you have no clue what that number was either.

Surprise.

I read it. I don't believe anything from the pen of a jew. A jew would try to sell you ice water in hell. and then sue you if you didn't buy it. When I read the headline of this thread. I gave a small cheer.

lang

alex, how do you know they are "peaceful".

If 95% are peaceful then how come they are allowing 5% of the population to attack Israel and seek its destruction.

Where is the outrage from the 95% against the 5% of terrorists in their midsts?

Amswer, their is no outrage. In fact, just the opposite, the palesitinian "street" and Press is aligned against israel, the protests are against israel and support Hamas, supports the terr4orists in the destruction of Israel. Are these the "peaceful" 95% yu speak of.

Alex, you lost this argument....and I don't have any more time to waste with your pathetic lyin ass.

later.

77% of 1,341,671 is 1,033,086.67

44% of 1,033,086.67 is 454,558.1348

454,558.1348 is approx 15% of the 3.2 million population.

Oooohh..maybe it's 85% and not 95%!

Maybe someday someone will teach you how to do this for yourself, derfla.

Alex, you lost this argument....and I don't have any more time to waste with your pathetic lyin ass.

Unbelievable. You did not pull out a single fact or link. you had NOTHING but insults and how you felt things were.

I feel sorry for you.(ey, is the 6 weeks until iraq is a democracy up yet, guy? or did it already happen while I was at the store?)

"alex, how do you know they are peaceful"

You can look up hamas membership numbers and compare them to the population at any time, you lazy bastard. If you'd like to make the argument that the vast majority of palestinians are violent, then DO SO...and bring some facts with you.

otherwise piss off.

alex, "And 75% polled wanted hamas to engage israel in negotions to stop violence immediately."

Please provide a source for this claim. Your link sure doesn't.

Also, please answer the question.

If 95% are peaceful then how come they are allowing 5% of the population to attack Israel and seek its destruction.

Where is the outrage from the 95% against the 5% of terrorists in their midsts?

Amswer, their is no outrage. In fact, just the opposite, the palesitinian "street" and Press is aligned against israel, the protests are against israel and support Hamas, supports the terrorists in the destruction of Israel.

Are these the "peaceful" 95% you speak of.

alex, the history of the palestinian people (outside of those who are israeli citizens) since 1948 has been one of complicity with terrorism against Israel.

That is one of those indisputable facts that you hate so much.

The Hamas' government agenda (as translated from Arabic) pledges to:


(too long to list, read them for yourself)

Derfla- Nice "fact"

Complicity as in "they have no choice but to follow an armed militia?"

How, exactly, are they supposed to stop the violence?

And in lebanon the ARMY cant even stop hezbollah.

The average citizen from either area is not responsible for these groups...but they're the ones that DIE because of them and israel.

AGAIN...use a link. Try a fact. Not what you ~FEEL~

alex, "You did not pull out a single fact or link."

I did not make the claim that 95% of palestinians are peaceful...you did.

Not only is that ridiculous on it face-- but the entire history of the Palestinians has been one of complicity with terrorists -- Arafat first, and now Hamas.

Answer the question, If 95% are peaceful then how come they are allowing 5% of the population to attack Israel and seek its destruction.

Where is the outrage from the 95% against the 5% of terrorists in their midsts?

Answer, their is no outrage. In fact, just the opposite, the palesitinian "street" and Press is aligned against israel, the protests are against israel and support Hamas, supports the terrorists in the destruction of Israel.

Are these the "peaceful" 95% you speak of.

This is going nowhere...You think i'm a liar but childishly flat out refuse to prove a single thing you type. A SINGLE THING.

You have zero credibility here for a reason. Ya earned it with your dopey predictions about a utopian Iraq, and your inability to refute or substantiate any assertation.

I did not make the claim that 95% of palestinians are peaceful...you did.

Seems like it's more like 85%. Still the VAST majority, as I've been arguing all along.

And son, let me explain something to you: YOU can pull out links to disprove or prove things ANYTIME you want. It doesn't matter who "went first"

But you don't seem to know how to do that unless it's an editorial, and all the conclusions were made for you, and you already agree with them.

Learn how to look things up and think for yourself, derfla. PLEASE.

If 95% are peaceful then how come they are allowing 5% of the population to attack Israel and seek its destruction.

Cuz that's who has alot of the guns, dummy. Later.

You have zero credibility here for a reason. Ya earned it with your dopey predictions about a utopian Iraq, and your inability to refute or substantiate any assertation.

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and He has the utter gall to lie about people too. uttly dispicable.

Larry

alex, "Cuz that's who has alot of the guns, dummy. Later"

So you are saying that 5% of the palestinian population is holding 95% of the population at "gunpoint" and forcing them to accept their terrorism against Israel.

OK, moron....if 95% being held hostge to these few...how come a massive "insurgency" of "freedom fighters" has not sprung up to challenge this tiny minority of terrorists.

You can't have it both ways...either they are complicit in the actions of the terrorist led hamas governemnt and are not peaceful, or 95% of the population is allowing their will to be compromised without any opposition by a tiny 5% minority...which is flies in the face of history and reason.

The truht is that the majority of Palestinians have always been supportive of the terrorist actions against israel. They support them in 2006, they supported them in 2002, and before that.

the majority of palestinians are not peaceful (as my links above show) and to argue otherwise is idiotic.

Tadowe, I strongly support Israel, and I deplore Hezbollah as a terrorist group.
On the other hand, I also deplore the hatred and vitriol which permeates your posts. You demonize and insult anyone who disagrees with you. Well maybe you might convince someone to agree with you if you were less mean spirited and self righteous.

Tadowe, I strongly support Israel, and I deplore Hezbollah as a terrorist group.
On the other hand, I also deplore the hatred and vitriol which permeates your posts. You demonize and insult anyone who disagrees with you. Well maybe you might convince someone to agree with you if you were less mean spirited and self righteous.

aw How cute. He finally produces a link after he knows I'm gone.

You're a real hero, derfla.

aw How cute. He finally produces a link after he knows I'm gone.

You're a real hero, derfla.

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He lost His credibility LONGGGGGG ago. I don't even know why I bother. I guess it's My stubborn German/Russian in me. Oh well shit happens huh

Larry

Alex, after reading through your post and derfla's posts I would like to know what you think about his poll numbers, does it support your argument or his, just curious, your take on it.

I see why Tadao can get under someones skin, the man is a maniac, and definitely believes what he says.

well of course the palestinians are not peaceful. they live in a stateless, occupied void, with no rights and Zionist agression.

And the same goes with the Lebanese. Israel is responsible for far more of the cross border atrocities than Hezbollah, in the period leading up to this current war.

And public opinion reflects that.