The headline needs to read, "Cities work together to limit Greenhouse gas emissions"

There is no proof of Global Warming...

Hey, even Bush admits there is a current global warming phenomenon...he just disputes that it is caused by human action.

You repugs own it. Not because you were the sole cause but because of your stupidity and refusal to recognize the problem until the water, or drought or sever weather is at the door.

Now I know why you don't want to believe in survival of the fittest.

It's nature knows best not father knows best fucktard.

Blair says we need to do something about global warming and the war on terriers.
Does he burn in hell twice for twice doubting the wisdom of the Almighty George, or is once sufficient?
Maybe two burning pineapples up the butt at the same time?

Hey, even Bush admits there is a current global warming phenomenon...he just disputes that it is caused by human action

I would agree with this. Climate change appears to have occured many times before in the history of Earth and apparently it will occur again. There will come a time, maybe millions of years from now, when this planet may not be fit for haumans to live in it. Just part of nature, that is all.

Guess all the "Fiscal Conservatives" want to spend another decade and billions of dollars studying the effects of cow farts.

The Conservative Movement: another bridge to nowhere.

If Hillary and the rest of the looses democraps whould keep quiet think about the green hose gasses they would not expell.

Wow, if we could generate power from poor spelling and logic, your post could probably power the country for a few days.

Few days?

Try at least a week.

Well, my city isn't on the list. Thanks to those who are reducing greenhouse gases, so that I can produce more.

That new Ford Expedition is loking better all the timer.

From the article:

"Energy-efficient traffic lights, street lighting, the use of biofuels for city transport, and traffic congestion schemes were some of the practical steps that cities are expected to take to reduce greenhouse gases"


Energy effecient traffic lights and street lighting? Huge step here folks.

It makes me wonder....do liberals really believe in global warming?

It makes me wonder....do liberals really believe in global warming?

Posted by eberly

* * * *

Only if there's a government check in the mail.

Typical Repug responses. Do nothing but make snide comments with a twist of what passes for humor about cows and SUV's over on their side of the social divide. Much easier than actually doing something positive.

We may not be able to do much to substantially alter climate change positively and it almost certainly is a natural process that happens periodically with or without human intervention. We should at least try to mitigate it, not least by changing behavior that we know exacerbates the problem.

Just think, instead of spending $300 billion and counting on a war for the oil that is at the root of the human factor in the climate change equation we might have spent it on developing alternate energy sources. Such an approach might have changed Middle East politics more effectively than the Iraq fiasco. Yet another reason not to allow energy interests to manage our national affairs. If "manage" is the correct word to use when referring to that bunch of incompetents. "Mangle" would be closer.

"project aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions"

Wonder if they're working on reducing the amount of water vapor in our atmosphere(impossible), considering that it makes up over 95% of all greenhouse gases.

Blue -
I sort of agree with you... at least to the extent we shouldn't aimlessly piss away fuel as though it's water.

Conservation takes time to kick in. Think back to the 70's when people started recycling. If nothing else, it makes you "feel" like you're doing your part. Frankly, libs are big on feelings and intentions - even if they end up being counter productive sometimes.

So yes, we ought to be reasonable - both conservatives and libs. We didn't cause "all" of global warming and our actions sure won't "solve" it, but I do think we can employ reasonable conservation and alternate fuel possibilities to "do our part."

I just see this environmental movement too tied to other socialist movements and as a greedy capitalist cons I don't want any part of it.

We may not be able to do much to substantially alter climate change positively and it almost certainly is a natural process that happens periodically with or without human intervention. We should at least try to mitigate it, not least by changing behavior that we know exacerbates the problem.

* * * *

Boy, talk about contradicting yourself. If it almost certainly is a natural process that happens with or without human intervention, how are we exacerbating the problem? How can we mitigate it?
Everything mankind has done over the last 140 years, and the temp of the earth has soared by . . . . one degree. All the world wars and cars and planes and nuclear bombs and skyscrapers and asphalt and cities and volcanoes. One degree.
Sounds like this was just an excuse for low-level city officials and their wives/mistresses to burn jet fuel and get nice hotel rooms and lobster dinners while discussing the pressing issue of global warming.

"what is the compound formed when you burn stuff?"

Doesn't that depend on what you're burning?

Ok PPALADIN123...

You are generalizing Americans. Most of us do accept that this is a problem; you just occasionally get a few ignorant conservatives who refuse to accept that there is a drastic change in our climate, despite scientific research confirming it (BOAZ, you are clearly uneducated. Turn off the daytime television and pick up a book).

Unfortunately these are the dolts that are running our government, and they are the ones fucking up the lives of my generation, as well as my children's (when that time comes).

Don't assume we're all ignorant asses, PPALADIN123. It makes you look like an ass as well.

To JimmyWallback:
Let me correct this for you:
That new Ford Expedition is LOOKING better all the TIME.

NOT what you posted:

That new Ford Expedition is loking better all the timer.

God you people are morons, I'm probably half your age...GO TO COLLEGE!!! You will discover there is an entire program dedicated to spell checking, use it next time you post something this asinine.



OH! And Joe is correct, by the way. Instead of attacking him you should all take in some of his comments, they are backed by years of research.

Burning:

H2 + O => H2O + heat

That's burning.

"you just occasionally get a few ignorant conservatives who refuse to accept that there is a drastic change in our climate, despite scientific research confirming it"

Nobody said the earth isn't warming. The argument is that greenhouse gases cause warming. If that is true, and water vapor makes up 95% of all greenhouse gas, and human contribution toward that few percent that is CO2 is minute, then the logical conclusion is that humans are not the reason for global warming. Saying things like you should all take in some of his comments, they are backed by years of research only makes you look like an ass, why don't you refute anything I've said?

We may not be able to do much ....

Posted by BlueInBushland at 2006-08-03 11:05 AM | Reply

... but at least we feel good about ourselves, and that's what's really important!

Burning:

H2 + O => H2O + heat

That's burning.

Posted by DATA at 2006-08-03 12:25 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag:


Bzzzzzzz WRONG that is NOT Burning that is cooking

Larry

I don't refute anything you've said because it's true that water vapor is a large part of the problem, however it takes too much energy to explain to you that people are contributing as well when Joe is doing such a fine job on his own. Try not to be so conceited. As smart as you are, I'm sure you must be able to see a link in the warming climate and human industrial activity.

That was directed at DATA, but I'm sure you all realized that...

Show me, Photo, how human industrial activity is a link.

Ten billion cars built and drive. Trillions of jet miles flown. Millions of aircraft. Nuclear warheads exploding. Space shuttles launched. Hundreds of thousands of ocean going ships, all pumping out diesel. Millions of tons of bombs. Lawn mowers and tractors and harvesters and semi trucks by the tens of millions more. All add up to one centigrade degree in one hundred and fifty years.

And I'm expected to believe that if I buy a Prius, I'll help save the earth? Spare me.

RIGHTISRIGHT:
I never suggested buying a hybrid will save the planet.

But since you asked so nicely, here is part of a link, for more information I could send you some references:
Global warming is the observed increase in the average temperature of the Earth's atmosphere and oceans in recent decades.

The Earth's average near-surface atmospheric temperature rose 0.6 0.2 Celsius (1.1 0.4 Fahrenheit) in the 20th century. The prevailing scientific opinion on climate change is that "most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities" [1].

The increased amounts of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases (GHGs) are the primary causes of the human-induced component of warming. They are released by the burning of fossil fuels, land clearing and agriculture, etc. and lead to an increase in the greenhouse effect.

Hey Photo,

If that does not work, try this one.



"Yo momma's so fat the only curve on her is the curve of space-time that occurs around any super massive object."

I remember when Mt Pinotubo blew up, and National Geographic said that during the first day of the eruption, the mountain threw out more ozone-depleting chemicals than the entire history of mankind has been able to accomplish. And it occurred to me, unless we can manage to cap every volcano on earth, we're kidding ourselves on this global warming business. We could park all of our cars and ships and go back to the Stone Age and a few months of busy solar activity would make it all a waste of time.

Joe,

Commander Data, Alexandrite and Al Gore are about to attack you savagely for daring to unmask their global warming boogey man.

"Significant long-term changes in the Earth's climate have occurred in the past and, no doubt, will occur again."

I never disputed this. I'm saying we are contributing to this natural undulation in the Earth's atmospheric changes in ways that are unnatural. You don't have to agree with me, I'm not telling you to. My concern is for my family in the future. Why continue to abuse our home when there are methods to fix it? Are any of you young enough to consider that? If not consider your children. Or not. Either way we can't do anything to reverse the damage. I guess that's why people have the attitudes you do.

FROZENINTIME, you are an idiot. Shouldn't you be in high school? Let the grown ups talk...

Why not buy a hybrid?

Once the cost of hybrids starts to come down and the reliability and performance comes up, as they will, one would be foolish not to buy hybrids. Gas will be over $4 a gallon soon, why would you not want a vehicle that burns less of it per mile?

Photo -- mankind was not causing global warming in the 1990's, any more than we were causing global cooling in the 1970's. That said--given my choice, I'd rather have a warmer earth than a colder one--if sea levels rise by a few inches, we'll just move our houses back. Seems simply enough. And if people want to buy a hybrid car, they should do so because of the cost savings of gasoline, not because of global warming.

I would love a hybrid! I'm sure I'll be attacked again for saying that!!! Buy you're right, there are a lot of advantages (even if you don't want to "save the planet")

However, it costs nearly the same to buy the Civic hybrid as it does to buy a Mini Cooper! That's crazy! Gas prices keep going up and they keep jacking up the price of the cars.

The prevailing scientific opinion on climate change is that "most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities"


Really?


I've observed an awful lot of uncertainty as to the actual cause of warming over the last 100 years.

Correct, Jeff, that is most likely why he did a cut and paste instead of showing us where that text came from.

RIGHTISRIGHT, once again, I have never stated that man was the sole purpose of our increasing temperatures. I realize there is a natural system the planet is following. I think you are assuming I'm a bleeding liberal, and you are mistaken. I base my opinion (one you do not have to agree with) on what I have learned through articles and interviews I have used to write articles on said subject.

I've observed an awful lot of uncertainty as to the actual cause of warming over the last 100 years.

How old are you?

JEFF:
That quote is a cut and paste from an article Joe (what? You didn't recognize it?) Suggested I check out. Please do not hold me accountable for that. I was merely stating that I acknowledge his opinion.

Correct, Jeff, that is most likely why he did a cut and paste instead of showing us where that text came from

I have to love this.

Coming from a hack want-a-be ambulance chaser who selects all the creditable media articles without ever knowing where they actually came from.

Contemptious man in ever lasting ignorance.

That quote is most definitely not from the link I posted. More lies from Phonybooth.

How old are you?

35

Photo,

It is supply and demand that is driving up the price of hybrids. Small supply, big demand.

With the trouble Ford and Gm are having, why they do not resort to making every car they produce a hybrid? Flooding the market with hybrids would cause the price of them to go down. I am sure there are some technical and perhaps logistical reasons they don't. But what do they have to lose? Ford will be out of business in a few years at the rate they are going. They need to try something radical and try to capitalize on high gas prices. Honda and Toyota are way out in front of the US car companies in hybrid technology again.

I hate Ford. I just bought a Toyota and I love it. I really hope you're right :)

I suppose you meant "contemptuous," Crassus, and to find it, you need look no further than your own post. You have no clue what I plan on doing with my life just as I have no clue of what you do with yours. Although if it were possible to get paid to support terrorists, I'd probably have a rough idea.

That's crazy! Gas prices keep going up and they keep jacking up the price of the cars.

It takes a lot of fuel to build those cars, but notice how inflation is great.

Joe,

you need look no further than your own post.

I know enough that when the information begins to shit down your throat you run and hide like all sorry as loser lawdawgs do.

Look Photo,


Just because your name is also where you work you don't have to take it out on us. You sound just like another of the angry Democrats lurking here only with a different or duplicate name. Same song, second verse.

FORD

Fucked
Over
Rebuilt
Dodge

Fix
Or
Repair
Daily

Foulest
Odor
Regurgitated
Dung

Farts
Only
Recycled
Dinosaurs


Larry

Actually, I work at a children's hospital. I'm helping children with Cancer, what do you do with your life?

That's what I thought.

Then do it here Crassus. When is the information going to start shitting down my throat? For someone holding himself up as a great debater, you sure seem to be doing a lot of useless talking right now.

I own a Ford 4x4 and it has been by far the most in expensive vehicle in my life time.

Bought it new and have had it for 13 years and running strong.

you sure seem to be doing a lot of useless talking right now.

Only to a retard asking for information and to dismiss and leave.

I now understand why so many here have such a problem with ya.

I owned 1 ford in all my life and it broke the first week. So instead of getting disowned by My whole Family I got rid of it.

Larry

"I now understand why so many here have such a problem with ya."

And I don't give a shit. It's the internet, stop taking yourself so seriously.

And I don't give a shit. It's the internet, stop taking yourself so seriously.

You got my dander up and it pissed me off. You did not do the same thing once but twice.

Your arrogance asking for sights then dismissing them without knowing what your talking about. It is fucked up.

Why do you post here if you only want to believe what you want to believe and show no interest to other points of view.

If you're really trying to be a lawyer, you will have a difficult time being so contemptuous.

I owned 1 ford in all my life and it broke the first week. So instead of getting disowned by My whole Family I got rid of it.

I have two ford 4x4s and they both are great, never much of a problem what so ever.

Had a New dodge, threw a rod at 18 thousand and would not honor the warranty. I will never ever own a DODGE again. I have forbid my kids from ever owning a dodge and make sure I tell all the people I know when asked how poor dodges are.

Actually, my Ford broke down the first month I had it. I hear that the cars are unreliable but the trucks and SUVs are great. I had a Probe. Transmission went in a month. I will never buy another! So I guess it depends on what you get :)

"It is supply and demand that is driving up the price of hybrids. Small supply, big demand."

I guess that's why Honda is discontinuing the Insight and it's 66MPG eficiency.

efficiency

I had a Probe. Transmission went in a month.

The engine and transmission in the Probe were designed and built by Mazda.



I guess that's why Honda is discontinuing the Insight and it's 66MPG eficiency.

It was a poorly conceived product. It was way too limited in regards to interior space, which greatly diminished its appeal. Plus, it looked goofy.
The Civic hybrid will likely snare any customers that were considering an Insight.

The engine and transmission in the Probe were designed and built by Mazda
I didn't know that!
I love the Civic hybrid, I just wish I could find one for less than 25K

"Why do you post here if you only want to believe what you want to believe and show no interest to other points of view."

Wrong. Many conversations I've had on this site have formed my views and changed my opinion. That just won't happen with piddly conversations like the one I'm having right now with you. If something over the internet pissed you off that bad that you are holding a grudge about it and trying to insult my personal life, then you need to get help.

Photo,

I like hybrids, but they aren't the nugget of gold they are purported as.

A few things to consider:

1. High acquisition cost (you obviously recognize this)

2. Durability. - The battery pack has a life expectancy of about 100,000 miles. Replacements cost in the 4-7k range, depending on the model.

3. Environment - Disposal of those battery packs is a toxic waste nightmare

4. Resale value - Hybrids have shitty re-sale due to the lack of longevity of the battery pack

5. Diminished interior space - those battery packs are big. Their size comes at a penalty to interior space - usually trunk capacity relative to a gas competitor.

On the plus side:

A. Fuel consumption, or lack of
B. Life expectancy of the brakes - hybrids utilize regenerative braking (the engine creates friction which in turn re-charges the battery). As a result, the consumables (pads, rotors, etc.) are used less and last longer.

"I love the Civic hybrid, I just wish I could find one for less than 25K"






Tyr Ebay or Autotrader.com.

Jeff, hybrids don't cost that much. Prius' are in the low 20's and I believe you get a tax credit of $3-4,000 for buying it.

I guess that's why Honda is discontinuing the Insight and it's 66MPG efficiency.

Commander Data,

I can't believe you would be caught dead in a Honda Insight. Jeff J is right...The Insight = small and goofy.

Why not make a Ford Windstar mini van hybrid or a F-150 pickup hybrid? If Chrysler would make a Town & Country hybrid, I would buy my wife one tomorrow. (I hate mini vans but my wife loves them.)

Crappus,
Go fuck yourself.
Signed,
Dick Cheney

Really? I was told the battery should outlast the car! That's disappointing!

I love my hatchback though and you can't even fold the backseats down in the Civic. That was a huge negative for me!

And I'm a little bit afraid of buying a car on EBay Niceville! Have you ever done it? I don't know if I would trust purchasing something that expensive online!!!

Chevy makes a hybrid silverado. I think it gets like 15MPG.

Sorry Boxy
66 MPG is too much to pass up.

"And I'm a little bit afraid of buying a car on EBay Niceville! Have you ever done it? I don't know if I would trust purchasing something that expensive online!!!"






Bought three and sold three. If you do your homework you can get a deal. Out of all 3 the worst thing that happened was the CD changer did not work and they bought one and had it installed locally after the sale.

Also, autotrader is good or maybe it is autos.com...they have tons of inventory and we bought my daughter a SAAB and drove to get it in Atlanta.

Go Gators!

"it would be silly to deny that water vapor does not make up 95% of all greenhouse gases"

I didn't.
And burning stuff adds more water.

"Chevy makes a hybrid silverado. I think it gets like 15MPG."

GM still doesn't get it.

Box,

Those waters are being tested.

Ford and Lexus both offer hybrid powertrains in SUV's - the Escape and the RX, respectively.

I am sure minivans will follow.

Sorry Boxy
66 MPG is too much to pass up.

If you don't mind driving a 2-seater, get it while you can.

I have been driving a 2-seater for a long time. I can only sit in one seat at a time.

66MPG isn't much more than the prius gets in city driving, it gets about 60. It's a lot less spacious and (somehow) less ugly than the insight.

A while back Honda had a contest where several car magazines drove an insight from Columbus to Ann Arbor and whichever company observed the best mileage won (a time limit was put into place to keep the mags from doing 20 mph and they all had to drive the same route).

Car and Driver asked if drafting was legal according to contest rules - Honda said it was fine.

Car and Driver took a Ford excursion and mounted a piece of plywood to the rear bumper that went to about 3 inches above the pavement. They drove the insight for 4 hours about 6 inches behind the rear bumper of the Excursion (Which had its 2 rear doors wide open as well). They got 11 mpg better than second place!

i meant more spacious.

A hybrid Silverado with a V8 5.3 Liter engine?????????

I did not know this. Huhhhhh.

But a hybrid Silverado with a V8 5.3 Liter engine?????????

What do you need the electric engine for?

Damn, this is going to keep me awake all night! What was their engineers thinking when they came up with the idea for a hybrid Silverado with a V8 5.3 Liter engine?????????

Anyone have some new ideas regarding our new Chevy product line? How about you, Ralph.

Yes. Thank you sir. We have designed a hybrid Silverado with a V8 5.3 Liter engine. It will get 16 mpg.

Why that's a great idea, Ralph! You deserve a bonus.

Thank you, sir.

Ahhhhhhhh! This is going to keep me awake all night just thinking about it!

Doesn't make a lot of sense, 'eh Boxy?

I LOVE Car & Driver!!

I KnOw!!

The Plutonium-Powered Hummer!!

NO Pollution!
(Until it's time to de-commission the reactor)

Doesn't make a lot of sense, 'eh Boxy?

That is what I call an understatement.

Data, I said 60 city.

My brother bought a prius new for 26K and got a $4K tax rebate.

What do you need the electric engine for?

Damn, this is going to keep me awake all night! What was their engineers thinking when they came up with the idea for a hybrid Silverado with a V8 5.3 Liter engine?????????

Anyone have some new ideas regarding our new Chevy product line? How about you, Ralph.

Yes. Thank you sir. We have designed a hybrid Silverado with a V8 5.3 Liter engine. It will get 16 mpg.

Why that's a great idea, Ralph! You deserve a bonus.

Thank you, sir.

Ahhhhhhhh! This is going to keep me awake all night just thinking about it!

Posted by stopthebox_itch at 2006-08-03 03:11 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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This one is easy. For in town driving when You do not have to have power to get down the road. You know on those short trips to the Grocery store Department store etc etc etc. or coasting down the road You can have Your electric engine running it and then You can have Your gas engine take over for things like up hill climbing asseleration etc etc etc.

Larry

You can have Your electric engine running it and then You can have Your gas engine take over for things like up hill climbing asseleration etc etc etc.

Larry

Posted by LarryMohr at 2006-08-03 04:17 PM | Reply

So, it's like a moped!

So, it's like a moped!

Posted by vernon at 2006-08-03 04:36 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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Yeah kind of. Pretty good analigy for it.

Larry

At 66MPG I can laugh at Vernon's humor.

Conservation takes time to kick in. Think back to the 70's when people started recycling. If nothing else, it makes you "feel" like you're doing your part. Frankly, libs are big on feelings and intentions - even if they end up being counter productive sometimes.

I just see this environmental movement too tied to other socialist movements and as a greedy capitalist cons I don't want any part of it.

Posted by OohRah at 2006-08-03 11:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

?????? Counter productive?

With over 80% of all aluminum and over 50% of all steel used in products produced in the US having come from recycled goods, how can you say that recycling efforts don't work?

Did Rush LimpBlob tell you that recycling was the 'commie' thing to do? Typical.

What S.U.Vs did they drive to cause global warming back in the Medieval Times?

Posted by aescal

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I know the had explorers back then, and expeditions :)

Personally, I believe we are fucking up this planet. Call me a tree hugger or what ever you want to tag me with, I don't give a fuck. But it's not just America that is the problem. In fact, America is just a small drop in the bucket. I have been to Africa and South America, and all over Europe. Many of these countries have zero environmental concerns or controls. Africa is one of the worst places I have seen. You get off the plane and the stench about knocks you off your feet. Raw sewage in the streets is the norm. The rivers have an oily sheen. I think the biggest factor contributing is deforestation in these regions, especially Africa and South America. It does not take a brain surgeon to realize you fuck up the eco system too much it will eventually cause severe problems. I grew up in the country, a 3 bedroom house in the middle of nowhere. Our nearest neighbor lived 3 miles down the road. Over the last 20 years, most of the forest area I grew up in is gone, a small town popped up out of nowhere, and the larger cities that were miles apart grow closer together every year. Litter is a growing problem every where. You just can't get away from it any where you go. A lake I used to fish in has been closed to the public due to the fact that the fish were found dead due to chemical poisoning. Tell me that everything is fine and we don't need to worry about our environment. 20 years ago I could not have imagined what I am seeing today. Makes me wonder what another 20 years will bring.

last night on ed shultz he was talking about how we on the right dont believe in global warming and he talked about all the high temps all over the country.....
guess he has never been outside in august.....its summer....ITS SUPPOSED TO BE HOT YOU MORON..............

oh yeah......and we never got anywhere near the record......from back in 1933......please explain where the gas came from in 1933 to make it so hot then?
giggle giggle.....