The people who sent them over there with a rebuilding plan of "Iraqis will love us and go along with whatever we say (because believing that means I don't have to think this through)" are the lazy, amoral fuckers who could care less about the people who have to pay for their decisions.

And they still want everyone to "stay the course". Amazing. They make a half-ass plan based on false assumptions and then insist anyone who questions it is giving up.

Yup, EVERYTHING IS FINE IN IRAQ. The people LOVE US. The econony is great!Our troops are having a splended time, sunning themselves,sightseeing and enjoying the Iraqi hospitality!In fact, it's so great there, it seems we'll be there for YEARS TO COME!!

"Never ending battle". I have trouble staying away from chocolate too.

Having talked to reporters before and had my words twisted I am sure there is a slant here. Some good points- our military wasn't trained to go to foreign countries to repair sewage treatment plants.

Republicans are quick to say- "isn't the world better off without Saddam?" While I agree it is- why is it our job to bring democracy to other people. They want Saddam gone? They should rise up themselves and do it.

What a waste of our money.

another american soldier died in Iraq today

Just how the dammed hell is a Shite Theocracy better for us than Saddaam.

How is it better for the Iraquis??

And it only cost us a few thousand troops so far and a few trillion cash.

A bargain for sure!!

Same as $3.00 a gallon gas!

Thanks Dubya!!

"Just how the dammed hell is a Shite Theocracy better for us than Saddaam.

How is it better for the Iraquis??"

I don't see how it is either. But as TXDJ68 said, its not our job to worry about that in the first place.
And it wasn't the reason we were given for going in there. We were told that Iraq had WMDs and connections to terrorists and that made them an immediate threat. That was not true and we should not allow them to avoid the issue by changing their jusification for the war after the fact.

bait and switch less insultingly called mission creep

.........this soldier does'nt know "last throes" when he sees 'em...........

........why does this soldier hate America??..........

I feel for our guys over there. It has to be frustrating to help people that cannot help themselves. To have chicken hawks in Washington tell them they are to defend America then have them defend one religous sect from the other. To have them sit around in the green zone and only patrol for bombs set out for them the night before. To have the "I'm too good for taxes" wingnuts here say how much they support them only to vote for republicons who slash their benefits

It is clear that the terrorists have the upper hand at least in Bahgdad. Thanks Bush and his faithfull supporters.

Those wingnuts who are getting all parinoid about Hezbollah now should take note. The massive paranoia you bought into about WMD left our troops in a Quagmire. Bush 2 should have listend to his daddy.

you guys keep poking fun at the fact that we thought we'd go in there and win hearts and minds, flowers and chocolates etc. so through this jest, you are pointing out how much we are hated and getting fought right?
isn't sectarian violence the major problem right now in iraq? isn't the large majority of the kiling and fighting not directed towards our troops, but rather the citizens themselves?
so our gov. is at fault for not securing the country and letting the situation go to shit. but all the lame liberal sarcasm that keeps getting spewed is not directed at the idiot citizens that choose not to live in peace, but its as if you're only pointing to the fact that they don't want us there. which may be true, but us being there isn't fueling the situation (we just aren't able to put out the flames) whats fueling the situation is the deep historical sectarian differences amoung the iraqi people. is that the administrations fault as well?

"a never-ending battle..."

Welcome to Total War, as designed by this administration.
FDR was elected to 4 terms because the world was at war and people didn't want to change horses in the midst of a fight.

You don't think they've picked up that little lesson from history?
The '02 and '04 elections were about the war and National Security. As will be this year's election.

And they will make damn sure that come '08 we will still be locked in desparate combat with the forces of evil.
You see, we're not fighting to win anymore. Bush won't commit the forces necessary to wipe out the Taliban and Iraq's insurgency.
He's sent just enough to get us into a quagmire, nice and snug, with no winners and no loosers. Exactly Orwell's Total War.

And the message of every election can be
"Don't vote for Democrats, cause we're still at WAR!"

"It's like this never-ending [war] ..."

That's the idea. Winston.

Soldier: "It's Like This Never-Ending Battle"

That's right. It's also called a "QUAGMIRE" and happens when the Commander-in-Chief is an arrogant, unintelligent, lying idiot and sends in his military without enough troops to finish the war, has no exit plan, has no thought to the future of Iraq except to make sure his own personal war profiteering is secured, and never had a clue -- or wanted one -- as to what the enemy in the region would do if we continued to occupy Iraq. Just as long as he and the members of the Bush Crime Family "got theirs" $$$$$$$ that's all that matters to him.

"...never ending war" =
"never ending war profiteering" for the Bush Crime Family, Halliburton, and The Carlyle Group.

Yoda

Yes, its our fault.

More specifically, our administrations' fault.

When "we" dismantled the Iraqi government, we took responsibility for the security and welfare of the Iraqi people.

Don't worry, soldier. The "war preznit" will make sure nobody can take a picture of your flag-draped coffin, and his swift boats will attack your family when they ask why (or how) you died.

Mission Accomplished!

"When "we" dismantled the Iraqi government, we took responsibility for the security and welfare of the Iraqi people."

I'm not for the war. But this is bullshit. If Iraqis want to act like animals and kill each other just because the opportunity exists, they are to blame. Unless you believe them to be some sort of animal who can't help what they are doing I don't see how you can ignore their responsibility in making things much worse than they need to be in Iraq.

1........but its as if you're only pointing to the fact that they don't want us there. which may be true,

2-----but us being there isn't fueling the situation (we just aren't able to put out the flames) ---------

3---whats fueling the situation is the deep historical sectarian differences amoung the iraqi people.

4--Is that the administration's fault as well?
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(first off..."we" aren't there. That entity which is there isn't "us")

1--Did this entity "ask" them first?

2--Was there war before this entity arrived?

3--Did you, say, know of these "deep differences", in 1960?, 1970?, 1980?,1990?,2000?

(Has this entity merely "created" these differences?)

4--Probably. What else is this entity trying to accomplish? What actually is its purpose?

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HOW can a non-democratic nation spread democracy to the world?

"Unless you believe them to be some sort of animal who can't help what they are doing..."

Animals yes, but don't be quite so dismissive. They know exactly what they are doing. Efficient, ruthless killing machines, as the Imams have trained them to be.
They were in a cage, and Bush let them out.

If an insane Warden emptyed his maximum security prisoners onto the streets of an American city, would you blame the resulting crime wave more on the prisoners, or the Warden?

It's criminal negligence at best.

When are they going to drop the moniker

"Operation Iraqi Freedom" ?

"If an insane Warden emptyed his maximum security prisoners onto the streets of an American city, would you blame the resulting crime wave more on the prisoners, or the Warden?

It's criminal negligence at best."

I would say invading a country on false premises and without a plan for completing the mission is criminally negligent anyway.

But I still maintain that Iraqis are responsible for their own future.

you know you're fighting because somebody was trying to take over the world, basically.

And this differs from radical Islam in what way?

I would say invading a country on false premises and without a plan for completing the mission is criminally negligent anyway.

But I still maintain that Iraqis are responsible for their own future.


Posted by Sully
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Simply imagine that the above "sentiment" makes any sense.

Then what would Nonsense sound like?

Animals yes, but don't be quite so dismissive.

They know exactly what they are doing. Efficient, ruthless killing machines,
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Simple imagine the negroes in the south during the 1930's.

Can we label the Iraqis also as "susceptible to marijuana" (or some such equivalent substance)& thusly to lusting after white women & listening to evil jazz music?" (or a "newer version" of animal?)

Simply imagine that the above post represents the "rational"

Then, what would the "irrational" sound like?

WHY DO THEY ALWAYS SEND THE POOR!
Barbarisms by Barbaras
With pointed heels.
Victorious, victories kneel.
For brand new spankin' deals.
Marching forward hypocritic
And hypnotic computers.
You depend on our protection,

Yet you feed us lies from the table cloth.
La la la la la la la la la,
Everybody's going to the party have a real good time.
Dancing in the desert blowing up the sunshine.

Simply imagine that all of our resident government yes-men realize that they "got it all wrong."

Now, simply imagine that all of the dead simply come back to life again!

What a wonderful world it would be!

I'll burn down my neighbor's house. When they are homeless, I'll ridicule their inability to 'pull themselves up by their bootstraps'.

It's what any Good Conservative would do. Except a Really Good Conservative would also figure out a way to take their neighbor's insurance money, too.