Gee, I guess Bill Frist is out there hanging in the wind...

It's amazing that Bushes first VETO will be on Stem Cell Funding....

I wonder how many old sick people will believe that George Bush really doesn't give a damn about cures for their illness, that he only is concerned with kissing the right wing conservatives ass.

So much illness, so little desire to obtain cures...

BUT a BILLION for the IRAQ war...no problema...and it's going to be a Billion, believe me...

"a BILLION for the IRAQ war."

Maybe you meant a TRILLION?

Frankly I don't think Bush cares about anything unless it affects him personally. Every day thousands and thousands of embryos die as they become unviable, so the tissue is disgarded anyway. This is just another fop to the religous wackos in time for the election.

and I haven't had a drink in a week...

We are already at 600 BILLION

Thanks O.

I don't understand. Why doesn't he just sign it, include one of his signing statements negating it, and keep his record intact?

Any real conservative would have vetoed half the shit that has come out of congress. Bush has proven that the republicans are no different from the democrats when it comes to spending.

As I tried to post on the nooner today, Karl Rove must have come up with some fascinating numbers to make Our Leader throw that piece of raw meat to his most fundie constituents, leaving Alzheimer's and Parkinson's victims to twist in the wind. Revolution, anyone? herm

I normally try to defend Bush, as I am somewhat conservative, but it is now official - Bush is a f-ing retard!

The one chance of doing a noble thing and he just blows it off. Here's an opportunity to at least make a saving stab at salvaging a failed presidency, a chance to at least make a legacy that may honor him for having the foresight to sign this bill. GWB will go down in history as one who managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I don't understand. Why doesn't he just sign it, include one of his signing statements negating it, and keep his record intact?

Because that would mean that Bush would actually be doing something to help all mankind and he wouldn't be able to stand it.

Wonder how Bushie might feel in 10 years if Laura comes down with Azheimers or one of the twins develops Parkinson's disease when she is 40 or so and stem cell research might have found a cure if started now. Bush could have allowed stem cell research to begin to find cures for those and other diseases by helping U.S. scientists have the full backing and monetary help of our federal government. Instead, Bush's narrow mindedness, selfishness, and ignorance in so many matters, particularly in science, rules the day.

Hey, why think small?

Maybe the government should spend $10 billion to fight tooth decay. And another $50 billion to cure pancreatic cancer. And $60 billion more for gingivitis. Anyone up for $100 billion on dandruff? How about $120 billion on halitosis? Hemorrhoids? Lung cancer?

If stem cell research holds as much promise as its proponents claim--trust me, individual scientists and companies will find it faster than any government program will. You guys are amazing. Government can't get people out of New Orleans before the rains come; government can't balance its budgets; government can't fix Social Security or Medicare or keep child molesters in jail or keep Islamists out of airplane cockpits or do any of the thousands of things it's supposed to be doing--but we're going to expect them to do revolutionary genetic and medical research?

RightisRight-
But its (our) funding did create the very internet you puke ideological chunks of half-digested pre-compacted bullshit on, and most of the technological advancements upon which it rests. Before it was "profitable", in the odd way that you define that word.

RightisRight-
Also, where was the profit in going to the moon, and which private company did that first? (dig it?...fire a neglected brain cell every now and then - it'll make you feel a bit confused at first, but it's probably worth it in the long run)

government can't fix Social Security or Medicare or keep child molesters in jail or keep Islamists out of airplane cockpits or do any of the thousands of things it's supposed to be doing--but we're going to expect them to do revolutionary genetic and medical research?

Actually we wouldn't have the government do revolutionary genetic and medical research. We just want the government to fund the scientists that would do the research. We would rather our government led the way rather than have to lease the technology from a foreign government. Did you think Rove was going to pick up a test tube or do you think government scientists are dumber than private sector scientists?

"But its (our) funding did create the very internet you puke ideological chunks of half-digested pre-compacted bullshit on"

Wish I would've said that.

But its (our) funding did create the very internet you puke ideological chunks of half-digested pre-compacted bullshit on, and most of the technological advancements upon which it rests. Before it was "profitable", in the odd way that you define that word.

Posted by Boyd

* * * *

Gee Boyd, you're right!!! If it weren't for the government inventing the telephone, the microchip, the fax/modem, the keyboard, and the natural inclination of human beings to want to send pictures and text at high rates of speed, right now we would all be playing Pong.

If there are 10 scientists studying stem cells, and five of them are working under the auspices of a government program, and the other five are looking to make hundreds of millions of dollars each in profits--whom would you bet on?

Also, where was the profit in going to the moon, and which private company did that first? (dig it?...fire a neglected brain cell every now and then - it'll make you feel a bit confused at first, but it's probably worth it in the long run)

Posted by Boyd

* * * *

Well, offhand the profit in going to the moon was beating the Russians there (37 years and counting). Oh--and Tang.

Anyone up for $100 billion on dandruff? How about $120 billion on halitosis? Hemorrhoids? Lung cancer?

Why, does Bush suffer from any of these? If that's the case, then I say we throw the whole budget and our reputation at it with patriotic abandon, as his deficiencies are ours as well, and 'til his retirement and then for a bit longer, and then for a while longer still.

Tang is NASTY It tastes like(I would say but it would most definately cause a Dump and NOT the good kind of Dump that is for sure.)

Larry

"right now we would all be playing Pong."

No, we wouldn't, as that would require the transistor as a precursor, and we wouldn't be talking online now, as the internet began as a gov't funded university system among scientists.

The difference between you and me, RiR, is that I understand the importance of private entrepeneurs, and you're just an idiot wedded to a faith you don't really understand.

Any time the government invests in research the society as a whole does collect dividends. It is a valid question as to whether or not though breakthroughs in scientific are made more quickly through private industry, and if so, whether the resulting products are marketed at higher prices.

As for stem cell research, this clearly is the frontier of modern medicine. It will save millions of lives over the course of this century. Given GWB's Christian Right voting base, I am not surprised he will veto the bill. It is the wrong decision however. Certainly other nations will pick up the slack, and develop medicines which might otherwise have been developed here.

Pong the ONLY video Game I could Master. Hell I couldn't even get past the first screen of PacMan. I was always pissed that those ghosts would eat me before I even had a chance to get to the Blue level. Oh well shit happens

Larry

No, we wouldn't, as that would require the transistor as a precursor, and we wouldn't be talking online now, as the internet began as a gov't funded university system among scientists.

The difference between you and me, RiR, is that I understand the importance of private entrepeneurs, and you're just an idiot wedded to a faith you don't really understand.

Posted by Boyd

* * * *

Not quite. Why do you assume that something as revolutionary as the internet wouldn't have happened anyhow? What did gov't do to create telephones? Television? The internal combustion engine? Jet travel? You believe that because some government scientists patched some computers together, that some other scientists at Bell Labs or Northrup wouldn't have maybe thought of it later. Just because Edison invented the light bulb doesn't mean the whole world would be in darkness today had he not figured out the filament. Just because some cave dweller thousands of years ago smoothed out a rock on the edges to make the first wheel, doesn't mean we'd all be dragging stuff behind us, even now. That kind of thinking is silly.
As usual, though, the arguing is pointless. Let the Dems run a candidate who will put stem cells in every pot, so to speak. I'm just glad that Bush has found it SOMEWHERE in him to turn down Congress when they asked for a few billion dollars. That's what I thought I was getting, six years ago.

Larry, the only game I was any good at was Galaga. If I had back all the quarters I poured into the damn things I probably could have bought ten of them. But I don't understand these games anymore. Seen the one where you dance? And the lights tell you where to put your feet? How stupid. Costs a dollar even, to let everyone see you dancing in the friggin' arcade.

"Larry, the only game I was any good at was Galaga." Posted by rightisright

My younger brother was an ace at that. A local comic book store had a machine, and the owner had a challenge where he said anyone who could play straight without losing for I forget how long (but it was long) would win this freaking huge jar of pennies. Well, to kids that jar looked like a fortune. So my brother trained until he had the pattern down cold - just how the different waves of aliens came down, what angles, etc. And he beat it and won the jar of pennies.

Sounds like an episode from The Simpsons.

RIR I don't get them either. My Favourate game in the whole arcade was Skeeball. Now THAT I pumped the quarters in. WHen they had Showbiz Pizza place here that is where we had Our Birthday Party's at and we would wait until the "Security People" were gone and run over to the side and stick the balls into the 50 spot. That was loads of fun. But these Computer Arcades I don't get them at all. I'd much rather play with those handheld dooflickies that use LED's that light up. Oh well such is Life.

Larry

I'm just glad that Bush has found it SOMEWHERE in him to turn down Congress when they asked for a few billion dollars. That's what I thought I was getting, six years ago.

And this is where he chooses to use it, in thee service of the church-lady lobby, in a symbolic and cynical attempt that will leave us buying the technological advancements from nations that work with their private sector without the burden of 19th century ideologues and easily pleased cultists of a different stripe such as yourself.

Spare me. You could just as easily say the same about the AIDS vaccine, revolutionary cancer treatments, Antarctic expeditions . . . . who says America has to do all the heavy lifting anyhow? Isn't it enough that something like 95% of all medical patents come out of the United States? Can't we count on the French or the Germans or the Dutch to do anything? How about the Canadians--all I hear from you liberals is how advanced their medical industry is--why haven't they figured out stem cells by now? What about the Cubans? Isn't it enough that we provide for the defense of the entire Western civilization, generate a fourth of the world's income and wealth, produce over 3/4 of the world's new technologies--and now I'm to believe that medicine will go backward 100 years because Bush doesn't want to borrow more money to pay for a bunch of stem cell funding at the federal level? Didn't I just read that California is funding their own research?

You liberals are funny. Something is only worth doing as long as Washington is there with a big handout.

"...easily pleased cultists of a different stripe such as yourself."

BOYD


cultist? Did he disagree with you somewhere enough to get called a cultist...Is that like being called as Satanist or something?

I have to admit it was a funny slam, though, most likely not very accurate or maybe also applicable to you as well in your ever ongoing attempt at sly humor that conveys a nasty mean streak reminiscent of Skulls & bones persona, perhaps?

You a Yale wanta be perhaps?:>)

RisR- So the govt shouldn't fund stem cell research?

Why?

Bani-
"Did he disagree with you somewhere enough to get called a cultist...Is that like being called as Satanist or something? ".

No, it's precisely like being called a cultist.

...ongoing attempt at sly humor that conveys a nasty mean streak reminiscent of Skulls & bones persona, perhaps?

You a Yale wanta be perhaps?:>)

Yeah, that's it. I don't happen to think that Bush and co. flew remote controlled airliners into buildings (some of which were of course rigged with explosives by the same cabal) in order to effect a fascist takeover of the world. That's obviously because I have Stockholm Syndrome, as you so incompetently insinuated.

Good Night.

rofl!

"...as you so incompetently insinuated."

Boyd


There you go again...I feel like Reagan when he used to say it all the time:>)LOL

Good nite, to you, too

RisR- So the govt shouldn't fund stem cell research?

Why?

Sigh.

Rense? Man...Are you serious about this crap?

are you not paying attention?

Something is only worth doing as long as Washington is there with a big handout.

Posted by rightisright at 2006-07-11 01:53 AM | Reply |

Yep, sounds like funding a war based on lies to me!...Keep those $$ coming!!!!

The ONLY bill Bush has vetoed in his more than 5 years as President and it's the only one that might possibly help all of mankind should stem cells be found as a cure for some -- up to now -- incurable diseases that have brought death and heartache to so many families.

If anyone ever thought Bush had one shred of decency in his entire body or cared about the welfare of any person other than himself, this tells the world the answer is NO.

The embyronic stem cells are destroyed anyway...Everyone knows it, but they still insist using them in research is somehow "murdering human life"

This is something people should think about...when these folks get abortion made illegal, and stem cell research made illegal, they will be going after something else...perhaps condums, perhaps birth control pills, perhaps they will skip right to premarital and extramarital sex..they are fanatics

This is something people should think about...when these folks get abortion made illegal, and stem cell research made illegal, they will be going after something else...perhaps condums, perhaps birth control pills, perhaps they will skip right to premarital and extramarital sex..they are fanatics

Posted by Scarey_e


No, you are the fanatic Scarey. I disagree with GWB on this but (without reading this entirely) he hasn't vetoed anything yet....we will see. I would say that the Fed Govt should just allow the funding for this (despite my church's objections). The church isn't going to go after those other things you mentioned despite it's objection to it.

Scarey_e,

They will never go after extramarital sex.... too many skeletons in their own closets.

Just ask Newt.

I know Jimmy, but I really believe they are on a crusade and if they win these other battles there will be nothing stopping them...you can't trust religious fanatics

The American public get the government they deserve.

Maybe not:

Scientists have taken a major step forward in the understanding and treatment of male infertility after impregnating mice with sperm grown from embryonic stem cells.

In a world first, researchers have shown that sperm generated from stem cells and developed in a laboratory can result in a live birth.

The breakthrough could lead to infertile men undergoing "sperm transplants" resulting in the birth of their own biological child rather than having to use donated samples, which are in short supply.

I think that many of the thousands of injured soldiers returning from Iraq to lives of paralysis, amputated limbs, etc. should all give Bush and his religious fanatic supporters a round of applause for their caring attitude. Just because research could eventually result in a repaired spinal column for one of them is no reason for Bush to alienate some of the lunatics who support him.
Politics before morality.
I swear these loonies think the life in a stem cell is more important than that of an injured soldier.
Simply sickening.

Bush has no integrity. Load the bill enough with enough pork for the right people and he'll let it pass.

There's never been any evidence that embryonic stem cells are of any more use, medically speaking, than the other types of stem cells that are readily available and don't carry any controversy. Politically speaking, the use of embryonic stem cells indirectly supports a pro-abortion argument, so I can see why the left pushes so hard for it.

We have a government that spends way too much money on bullshit- and the President is looking to veto a bill that allocates funds for scientific research that has more proven alternatives through the use of other stem cells and has questionable ethics. If the President has some goofy religious reason for doing this, so be it- but he's still doing the right thing.

So Bush is the first Pres. to fund Stem Cells. Now he is going to veto MORE money. I just have one question, does the Constitution say anything about funding medical research? Leave if to the private org. If there is Money in stem cells drug companies would be all over it.

So Bush is the first Pres. to fund Stem Cells. Now he is going to veto MORE money. I just have one question, does the Constitution say anything about funding medical research? Leave if to the private org. If there is Money in stem cells drug companies would be all over it.

Patriot, can you post some proof to of your assertion that the viability of embryonic cells is suspect and the availibility ot "other types" of stem cells is greater... The argument that the use of embyronic stem cells helps liberals with pro-abortion is specious.

Personally, I'll take a President who is doing the right thing because it's right, NOT BY ACCIDENT...



The following is my "Do Not Reply To List" , earned for vile, nasty personal attacks instead of reasoned argument:
101Chairborne, Joe,

he is going to veto govco spending .he has not moved to stop private industry from doing research.govco can't do a damn thing without bloated spending and closed minded funding.

"""he is going to veto govco spending .he has not moved to stop private industry from doing research.govco can't do a damn thing without bloated spending and closed minded funding."""

Yeah, he's worried about government spending on the project to go to Mars too. But hell, private industry can put together a project.
I sure hope all the paralyzed vets appreciate how much he cares about saving their tax dollars.

just what the hell does that rant have to do with anything. the usa is where it is today thanks to private research and development and that dirty word "PROFIT". Many of the brave vets have tremendously progressive artificial limbs due to private r+d . with all the money we have poured down the toilet called nasa we probably could be on mars.

So RiR, you are suggesting that Bush is going to veto this bill because of his concern over government spending????

Pull the other one...

Ferd-

"So RiR, you are suggesting that Bush is going to veto this bill because of his concern over government spending????"

Who cares! We all knowhe doesn't approve and lots of other people don't like it, but the fact is why does the government need to be in this business? It's not what they are there for.

I really believe they are on a crusade and if they win these other battles there will be nothing stopping them...you can't trust religious fanatics

Posted by Scarey_e


And those "fanatics" are just as afraid of you scarey. they don't want to give an inch for the same reasons you don't....lack of trust.

"So RiR, you are suggesting that Bush is going to veto this bill because of his concern over government spending????"

Who cares! We all knowhe doesn't approve and lots of other people don't like it, but the fact is why does the government need to be in this business? It's not what they are there for."

So exactly what is the Government there for in the Republican mind? The Republican mantra used to be less goverment and good fiscal responsibility. That has long gone by the wayside and its now about more government (for moral purposes of course) and spend as much as possible to pander for reelection. If the government can't spend some of the citizen's tax money on research that furthers mankind, then what do you suggest that is more beneficial?

I was simply pointing out the absurdity of any suggestion that Bush is going to veto this bill for any reason other than his (or his benefactors) religious beliefs.

Ferd-

""just what the hell does that rant have to do with anything. the usa is where it is today thanks to private research and development and that dirty word "PROFIT".""

Baloney. BAsic research on new medical technologies almost always originates in publicly funded labs until it reaches a level of usefulness that it can be converted by private industry into medicines, etc. Without the basic research paid for by government and by private charitable foundations the companies that make the final products would not be willing to invest the dollars necessary because the return on their investment would be too long and too questionable. Stock holders would not be willing to invest in stem cell research this early in its development. So, without government dollars to do the basic research, the progress that could be made to help people just won't get done, at least, not in the US. We should be doing everything possible to bring about the benefits that stem cell research probably will provide.
And, our returned soldiers need to be assured that we will leave "no stone unturned" to repair the damage done to their bodies while they served the country. If that means stem cell research then we ought to be going full speed ahead on it. To do any less says to them, well sorry guys but it is just too expensive to fix your broken bodies...tough.

Gotta pander to the base doncha know....

Fred,

It isn't the governments responsibility to further mankind in my eyes. They can protect mankind, but not dictate what mankind does and doesn't do. BTW I am not a Republican. I probably would be, but your right about the fact about all that increase spending for moral shit. Whatever, if someone wants to do something, let em. Just as long you are not effecting/ hurting someone elses rights.

Wonder how Bushie might feel in 10 years if Laura comes down with Azheimers or one of the twins develops Parkinson's disease when she is 40 or so and stem cell research might have found a cure if started now?
posted by CalifChris

Same

You got to be consistent in my line of work, you see.

I think conservatives feel that since Ronnie Raygun could act as president with Alzheimers then why should the government spend money to try to cure it.

Hey, why think small?

Maybe the government should spend $10 billion to fight tooth decay. And another $50 billion to cure pancreatic cancer. And $60 billion more for gingivitis. Anyone up for $100 billion on dandruff? How about $120 billion on halitosis? Hemorrhoids? Lung cancer?

If stem cell research holds as much promise as its proponents claim--trust me, individual scientists and companies will find it faster than any government program will. You guys are amazing. Government can't get people out of New Orleans before the rains come; government can't balance its budgets; government can't fix Social Security or Medicare or keep child molesters in jail or keep Islamists out of airplane cockpits or do any of the thousands of things it's supposed to be doing--but we're going to expect them to do revolutionary genetic and medical research?

Posted by rightisright at 2006-07-11 12:01 AM


LMAO.... You have far to much common sense to be appreciated here. I like reading your posts, but truly your words are falling mostly on deaf ears in here. These old dogs aren't interested in any new tricks. Their minds are closed and without someone to blame they'd have to become accountable and that dog ain't gonna hunt in their camp.

I haven't read Coulters new book "Godless" yet, but the title alone is really kinda funny.... for a culture/party(liberals) that doesn't believe in God they sure seem to expect one.

Why would Bush spend billions of our tax money on stem cell research for the good of all mankind when instead he can divert that money into the Bush family's private piggybank -- the warprofiteering "Carlyle Group."

"......Maybe the government should spend $10 billion to fight tooth decay. And another $50 billion to cure pancreatic cancer. And $60 billion more for gingivitis. Anyone up for $100 billion on dandruff? How about $120 billion on halitosis? Hemorrhoids? Lung cancer?......"

____________

THIS, ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF...THE BRAINWASHED

ATTEMPTING TO......BRAINWASH!

___________

".....Maybe
.......THE GOVERNMENT
..............should spend....."

.....

the question is

do ...

"..........WE THE PEOPLE......."
want.......to spend................etc!

THE PEOPLE have constantly asked for this research

so has the medical profession!

BUT.............the silly & the sissy

(here-in known as PATRIOTS!

bow & cring & fall down before the GOVT!

........& what ever it is that this HIDDEN POWER...is bowing down before.

........the GOVT

who to the

BRAINWASHED TRYING TO BRAINWASH

is .........god almighty

& too powerful & hence toO scarey for the PATRIOTS to stand up before

as they consider the usa a ARISTOCRACY, NOT A DEMOCRACY

Mark Heeson, President of the National Venture Capital Association, noted the indispensable role of the government in advancing technology when he said, "As everyone knows, Venture Capitalists (VCs) don't invest in basic R&D; they invest in applied R&D. But it is critical to realize that applied R&D is a product of years of seeding of basic R&D across the gamut of sciences. And, it is the federal government that has been a critical investor in those seeds. Decreases in basic R&D in the long run mean fewer new ideas for VCs to look at down the road, which translates to less innovation, fewer new high-tech jobs and fewer lives saved from new drugs and defense-related items."


So much for the idea that private scientists will do the basic research necessary in stem cells.
BTW, you guys make me laugh, but then I remember our injured soldiers and then it pisses me off that you would not want to at least try to help them.

"......a culture/party(liberals) that doesn't believe in God........"__________
__________________________

another example of sissy sillly PATRIOTS

(the brainwashed!)

attempting to spread their..."social desease"

AD HOMINUM STRAW MAN OVERGENERALIZATION WITH NO BASIS IN FACT IN ORDER TO POISON WELL WITH A CIRCULAR ARGUMENT,etc!!!!!!!!!!!

(ie.-----------every rule of logic & discourse simple "walked over" & "ignored!")

TALK ABOUT THE .....DUMMIED DOWN!

all bush is...is the MASTER of the SLAVES

(LIKE DIRTMAN!)

who make with the big "ha ha's"

while people die

as they hide their fragility in the PARADIGM OF THE POWERFUL........

& refuse to feel or be real

to talk with the silly & the sissy PATRIOTS!

is to be brainwashed

NOTICE HOW THE DISCUSSION WAS TURNED...from the fact that the

congress

is about to pass the legislation!

(& more importantly!----why!)

NOTICE .....how the discussion was turned completely away from understanding stem cell research!

NOTICE THAT ALL THE "ARGUMENTATION" of the PATRIOTS
was just more...."illogic!"

aimed at only protection their egos & the fragile credibility of an insular government!

NICE TRICK!

& THE RESULT!

DEATH!

so..........relate to these sub human forms at your peril!

OR SEE MORE AMERICANS DEAD!

All these arguements are just plain silly-OF COURSE duh-bai-yuh is going to veto "stem cell Bill"-he's not going to let scientists create another Bill Clinton!

""he's not going to let scientists create another Bill Clinton!""

Rumor has it that Bill has created plenty himself.

Hey SadlySeeing is this crap suppose to be a poem or a bunch of mindless rambling cause your on meth?

you're

ski
_______

no, it is suppossed to be merely another ................"whatever!"

another........."leaf falling!"

another..............."
indication!"

IT IS NOT MEANT FOr......."SUCH-AS-YOU-ARE!"

it is meant for........"someone else!"

it is not really just a ......"toy!"

it is meant for ..."adult human beings!"

so..................ski on!

"away!"

to............"the safe places!"

these are merely........."images-of-
freedom!"

these are not........."weapons-for-the brainwashed!"

no............dear ski!

these are not for........."SUCH-AS-YOU-ARE!"

Wow--with a quick scan i saw "let some other country do it" and "it isn't proven to work"


LOL! You guys really have nothing on this one, don't you!

Yeah, lets allow some other country find the cures to all of the diseases so we can import THAT too. Yeah, lets outsource it to some other country like everything else. Brillian.

And the reason why there wouldn't be any studies that say embryonic stem cells are better than adult stem cells (though i think you're wrong about this statement)---is it is pretty damn tough to study it when the government is throwing roadblocks every step of the way.

SILENT WEAPONS FOR SILENT WARS!
-_____________________________
___-

yes,
............dear friends!

the "game" is merely
............to render you dead

to render you comatose!
to put you to sleep!

to turn you into........."sub-human beings!"

yes, ..........for sure!

SILENTLY............the WAR!

-----

who ever it is

......................would be free

must walk the HIGH MOUNTAINS

for .....a long while!

america must be .....left far behind

if you'd have your OWN SOUL
if you'd FREE your own MIND!

DON'T YIELD TO THE HYPNOTIC
SENSE OF ....FALSE GRACE

if you'd keep ...your heart
if you'd ...show your OWN FACE!

for the "game" is merely
............to render you dead

to render you comatose!
to put you to sleep!

to turn you into........."sub-human beings!"

IF YOU'D BE FREE

YOU MUST "WALK" WITH ...."ME!"
YOU MUST "WALK" WITH ...."ME!"

Sadlyseeing--seriously, your ramblings make little sense. I think your point could come across a little better if you used actual sentence structure and took your medicine.

This is great Niceville, but one thing is disturbing:

"Colin McGuckin, professor of regenerative medicine at the University of Newcastle, will soon present the findings to Catholic church leaders at a presentation at the Augustinian Institute in Rome."

I don't see why this was mentioned. Is the article suggesting that the Catholic church must give it's approval or what?? Who put the Catholic religion as moral dictators?

...niceville...
-_____________-

very interesting.

this article shows the real reason for the need for research dollars

people capable of doing the "research" that could bring this idea to fruition need to be highly trained

the work is massively time consuming

to go from ...where they are now

to where they...got to get to

will take a conserted effort from many mamy people for many many years

THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN IN THE US UNDER THE PRESENT THEOCRACY!

hence...people will die needlessly

BUT the PATRIOTS will not speak out

and our children will be..left behind

because the need for them to be actually educated will not be here

Who put the Catholic religion as moral dictators?



Posted by Lisa


the world has been looking to the Catholic Church for moral direction for centuries.

".........the world has been looking to the Catholic Church for moral direction for centuries................"

---------------------

is this actually a true statement?

----------------------

sub-questions:

Is "europe".....the "world?"

has "force & coercion" been involved or simply people......"looking to the CATH. CHURCH?"

has the C. C. provided....any real.."moral direction?"

what is the role of this..."moral direction"...(no matter its validity.....)

in a democracy?

............

the "marriage" of "church & state?"

should WE THE PEOPLE tolerate it?

"the world has been looking to the Catholic Church for moral direction for centuries."

No offense, but I've seen the "lack of morals" from the Catholic Church since I was 14....most importantly, had noticed by that age how many of their teachings were actually against Scripture.

Stock holders would not be willing to invest in stem cell research this early in its development.

Posted by Danni

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True enough. Only government bureaucrats or political opportunists would be that stupid. Think about it. If even Wall Street thinks it's too long a shot, why are you beating up on Bush for saving a few billion? Since we'd only be "borrowing from the Chinese" anyway (we're not really--but that's what you say ad nauseam), why not keep the money in our own pocket, for a change?

No offense, but I've seen the "lack of morals" from the Catholic Church since I was 14....most importantly, had noticed by that age how many of their teachings were actually against Scripture.



Posted by Lisa

I didn't say everybody agreed with them...are you crazy? I also didn't say that the Church hasn't struggled with some "moral" issues either.

Who's opinion do we on the DR argue about on these issues:

abortion
stem cell
homosexuality/gay marriage
contraception
masturbation/extra/pre-marital sex?

Islam? Jews? Buddah?

No

I suppose since the Catholic Church is pro life they are presenting to them. This IS part of a pro life stance.


Certainly not going to present to NARAL, Planned Parenthood or NOW I would presume.

"I didn't say everybody agreed with them...are you crazy?"

No....I'm not crazy. You stated the following:

"the world has been looking to the Catholic Church for moral direction for centuries."

You contradict yourself, Eb. Why would "the world" who doesn't all agree with that religion, be "looking for moral direction" from it???? Obviously, you believe that this religion holds the cornerstone of Christianity.

Sorry, Eb....I strongly disagree with and have bad memories of belonging to the Catholic church. As a whole, they should practice what they preach...which by the way, has many errors in and of itself. Just because it's been around a long time, doesn't make it correct in it's teachings.

"I suppose since the Catholic Church is pro life they are presenting to them"

The Catholic church does NOT have the monopoly on Christianity and a pro life stance.

In fact, the girls I know of from high school who had abortions, were all Catholic grade school kids who merged into the public school system for high school.

I can name four off the top of my head.

"I suppose since the Catholic Church is pro life they are presenting to them"

"The Catholic church does NOT have the monopoly on Christianity and a pro life stance" Posted by Lisa,

Lisa, Niceville posted that...not me. but he is correct. The Church is the foundation of Christianity...and it probably was the first to define a "pro-life" stance on abortion. Again, this is why we debate this issue here...because the Catholic Church has stated it's position on it.


Again, for the 3rd time, you have assummed way too much and you have got it wrong.

It is possible for religions to look for direction even though they might disagree with some positions. Want a illustration? How about the 33,000 Christian faiths that operate in "protest" of the Catholic Church. They might only disagree with only one issue but it is enough for them to have their own faith in "protest" of the Catholic Faith.



"In fact, the girls I know of from high school who had abortions, were all Catholic grade school kids who merged into the public school system for high school." Posted by Lisa


Perhaps they should have stayed where they were.

" The Church is the foundation of Christianity"

NO, Eb...Christ is the foundation of Christianity.

Christianity is the foundation of the Catholic church.

Was that just a slip, or do you honestly believe that the Catholic church is the foundation of Christianity?

Was that just a slip, or do you honestly believe that the Catholic church is the foundation of Christianity?

The truth has set him free!

Hey, baby!

Innie,

How goes it? I have not been around for awhile, work work work!

I know...I missed you!

Things are great. How about you??

Things are going well, too much work but other than this great!

Oldest is getting ready to move out, youngest is getting ready for europe swim games.

It will be a quite house pretty soon.

Give the little tadpole my best wishes!!!

Awww...the sound of silence. It'll be a long time coming for me!

Innie,

LOL! There is always the captain to dull the noise!

Too much of the Cap'n and he's playing the drums in my head, know what I mean?!

LOL

"...(T)he embryonic stem-cell researchers have produced nothing. They have treated nothing. They have not even begun one human clinical trial. They've successfully treated a few rodents, but they are running into two problems. First, the cells tend to be rejected by the immune system. Second, they tend to cause malignancies called teratomas -- meaning "monster tumors." The idea that stem cells are on the verge of curing anything is absurd. It's possible embryonic stem-cell research could find a cure for Alzheimer's disease someday only in the sense that it possible that a biologist's toenail clippings could be used to find a cure for Alzheimer's someday." -- P.193