Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Monday, July 03, 2006

President Bush told the special prosecutor in the CIA leak case that he directed Vice President Dick Cheney to personally lead an effort to counter allegations made by former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV that his administration had misrepresented intelligence information to make the case to go to war with Iraq, according to people familiar with the president's statement.

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" to disclose highly classified intelligence information that would not only defend his administration but also discredit Wilson, the sources said."

Funny how classified information becomes suddenly unclassified, when it will be used to benefit Bush in his personal agenda.

I hope the whole lot of them get taken down.

Impeach. Impeach. Impeach.

More liberal lies.. the looney left will stop at nothing to tarnish the image of our Commander in Chief. Someday you america hating communists will learn to love George Bush, either the easy way or the hard way.. I'll be there to watch. Fuckers.

Oh...this is good:

"But Bush told investigators that he was unaware that Cheney had directed I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the vice president's chief of staff, to covertly leak the classified information to the media instead of releasing it to the public after undergoing the formal governmental declassification processes."

LOL

Now that changes everything!!

What an idiot!


So the king can do no wrong??

Happy independance day!

Evidence?

It is disconcerting how the Right Wing will defend Bush no matter how much he seeks to use his position as President to launch political attacks against his "enemies". The man has no scruples. The Republicans on this site should feel ashamed about always defending this arrogant disreputable leader.

Now this is funny:

"Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq,
said she would drink only water throughout the summer, which she said she would spend outside President George W. Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas."

"defend Bush no matter"

Evidence? Defend Bush against what?

Audrey Hepburn:
Tell your docs to increase your Thorazine before your next electro-shock session.

Tell your docs to increase your Thorazine before your next electro-shock session.

Posted by SamBarber at 2006-07-03 11:39 PM | Reply


CLue Phone Audrey Hepburn is a Sarcasm Spewer. It's like a Jay Leno deal He doesn't mean what He is saying don't You get it ??

Larry

Ya gotta love these die hard Bush fans who request "evidence" written in blood when it comes to their idol...but they take the word of disgruntled fellow servicemen, who are angry with Kerry, when it comes to earning his medals....no "evidence" needed there. Their word is sufficient.

LOL

Cracks me up, I tell ya!

Ya gotta love these die hard Bush fans who request "evidence" written in blood when it comes to their idol...but they take the word of disgruntled fellow servicemen, who are angry with Kerry, when it comes to earning his medals....no "evidence" needed there. Their word is sufficient.

LOL

Cracks me up, I tell ya!

Posted by Lisa at 2006-07-03 11:44 PM | Reply | Flag:


Unbelievable isn't it Lisa. You know this just goes to show me their Character quotent.Dubya can do no wrong with these people. They are Blinded by that Bush Lemming Juice they get served Sunday's and Wednesday EVenings. I am so glad I am not that Mentally CLouded.

Larry

Funny how Bush and his crime family were doing all the screaming last week about the New York Times "leaking" classified info about Bush's snooping on U.S. citizens and corporations' personal banking info and were ready to put the editors of the NYT's before a firing squad, yet they had absolutely no problem with leaking highly classified info (Plame working for the CIA) to NYT's reporters when it suited the hypocritical Bushies plans for revenge (on Wilson and his wife).

Chris:

It is funny, isn't it?!

Hypocrocy at it's finest!

Larry:

Check your emails.

And then he tells Snow to tell the the WSJ about the bank snooping but goes nuts on the NYT.
Bush, Traitor-in-Chief.
I wonder if we will ever find out how much the saudi royal family paid Bush to cover up their ties to al queda and 9-11.
And the saudis and Pakistanis are still bankrolling the taliban.

Libby further testified that Cheney was not referring to going public with information about Plame, but rather making available other classified information that both men believed would rebut Wilson's charges and discredit him.

Cheney encouraged Libby to disclose portions of a then-still highly classified National Intelligence Estimate regarding Saddam's weapons-of-mass-destruction program, according to court records filed by Fitzgerald.

Cheney, Vice Traitor-in-Chief. Spilling classified info to al queda.

I ain't got none Lisa. Yes I am using very improper grammar too.

Larry

I'll resend.

Gnarly Dudette Thanks Lisa.

Larry

I resent it Larry...but I'm heading for bed.

Have a good nite all.

Ciao!

Thanks hon ciao laters

Larry



Didn't Shrubby say that he would fire anyone involved in leaking in the Plame case?

He should ask himself for his resignation right now!

And fire himself in the morning if it is not on his desk!!

Would only be fair.

Yeppers exactly correct Corky. It's such a shame it really is. Bunch of childishness if You asked me.

Larry

Can anyone tell us all what ZULU is talking about some completely different topic than the topic of the article. What's this got to do with some woman drinking water in Texas?

Here's some evidence, ZULU. You have provided evidence that you will attempt to distract with anything if you don't like the topic.

What's next? Look over there! It's Clinton!

I for one am pleased to see that Bush finally found the end of the pipeline on those leaks he was so worried about.

Time to call in the plumbers Dick!...I mean George!

Lisa:
The swift boaters actually stepped forward to make their accusations.
Below is what you're licking up.

"misrepresented intelligence information to make the case to go to war with Iraq, according to people familiar with the president's statement."

"would not only defend his administration but also discredit Wilson, the sources said."

"One senior government official familiar with the discussions between Bush and Cheney -- but who does not have firsthand knowledge of Bush's interview with prosecutors"

"A person with direct knowledge of Bush's interview refused to confirm that Bush used those words, but said that the first official's account was generally consistent"

Put your tin foil hat back on and grab Oz's hand and continue skipping down the yellowbrick road for your pitchers of koolade.

Didn't Shrubby say that he would fire anyone involved in leaking in the Plame case?

He should ask himself for his resignation right now!

And fire himself in the morning if it is not on his desk!!

Would only be fair.

Posted by Corky at 2006-07-04 12:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Bush also said during his interview with prosecutors that he had never directed anyone to disclose the identity of then-covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, Wilson's wife. Bush said he had no information that Cheney had disclosed Plame's identity or directed anyone else to do so."

Hey Dorko
This left wing hit piece doesn't even go that far. When you throw bullshit on top of bullshit; guess what, you still just have bullshit.

Selective declassification is no way to conduct a debate in a democracy.

A President can easily cherry pick what supports one side of an argument and then keep information secret that is harmful to his cause.

This was particularly sneaky since it involved leaking the information through the media instead of first declassifying it.

All to carry out a misguided and unnecessary war, a war that has left America weaker and more isolated in the world.

But don't worry, people like 2ndcrusade will blame liberals and the MSM for the mess. Anything done by GWB is okay in their book no matter how detrimental to the US.

It must take a lot of work to be as partisanly stupid as the Right Wing hacks who post on this site seem to be.

For those of you keeping score at home, you might recall this:

"...when the president does it that means that it is not illegal."

"If the president, for example, approves something because of the national security, or in this case because of a threat to internal peace and order of significant magnitude, then the president's decision in that instance is one that enables those who carry it out, to carry it out without violating a law. "

Carry on Dick...sorry did it again...George.


"When you throw bullshit on top of bullshit; guess what, you still just have bullshit."

That from the quee.... er, uh, "king" of the bullshit hill.

"It must take a lot of work to be as partisanly stupid as the Right Wing hacks who post on this site seem to be."

It comes natural to 2nd's on the Kool-Aide.

These guys could care less if laws are broken, as long as "their side" wins.

Party before country, President before law.

These are the true traitors to the American ideal.



Jimmy Carter: Too Many Secrets

Ironically, in about one hundred years Jimmy Carter will probably have been pretty much forgotten. On the other hand, GWB will be remembered as the worst thing to happen to the US in the twenty first century.
I suspect future historians will ponder what might have been had a real leader, and not a corrupt chimpanzee, inhabited the Oval Office at the time of the WTC attacks.

Posted by moder8 at 2006-07-04 01:36 AM | Reply
Bush Told Cheney to Go After Wilson

But don't worry, people like 2ndcrusade will blame liberals and the MSM for the mess. Anything done by GWB is okay in their book no matter how detrimental to the US.

It must take a lot of work to be as partisanly stupid as the Right Wing hacks who post on this site seem to be.

Posted by moder8 at 2006-07-04 01:32 AM | Reply
Lieberman Won't Honor Dem Primary

Are all Republicans brain dead or only the ones who post on this site? They can't all really be that stupid, can they? Honestly, I used to think that there was at least some intellectual meat to the average Republican until I started regularly reading the posts on this site.

Posted by moder8 at 2006-07-03 11:36 PM | Reply
Bush Told Cheney to Go After Wilson

It is disconcerting how the Right Wing will defend Bush no matter how much he seeks to use his position as President to launch political attacks against his "enemies". The man has no scruples. The Republicans on this site should feel ashamed about always defending this arrogant disreputable leader.

Posted by moder8 at 2006-07-03 11:33 PM | Reply
Retort: The Sunday Nooner

Why is anyone even bothering to respond to Vern? His postion is so absurd that it does not merit response. Just because somebody wants to spout some ridiculous meritless position does not mean anyone need respond.
Making it more absurd is that his mind and that of BL2 are so closed, that they will NEVER acknowledge their own foolishness.

Posted by moder8 at 2006-07-02 05:19 PM | Reply

Guard to Miss Border Mission Deadline

You are racist if you analogize the Latino Undocumented to dogs or rats.

You are racist if your hatred of Latinos is so intense that it prevents you from recognizing the contributions they have made to our society and our economy. (I would agree that it is not racist to argue over the degree of such contribution.)

You are racist if you advocate the deportation of the eleven million people who have now established themselves in this country, raising families and building worthwhile lives. Putting aside the issue of feasibility, the only reason to seek their deportation at this juncture would be racial discomfort.

You are racist if you allow yourself to become so focused on this one issue that it becomes a constant mantra of Latino bashing.

Posted by moder8 at 2006-07-02 03:26 PM | Reply

Carville: Hillary Can Win

One small request: Can we please elect someone with a last name OTHER than Bush or Clinton?

I will likely vote for the Democratic candidate unless they can leave me so uninspired that I stay home election day.

I do not like seeing HRC pushing to the right. I do not like seeing McCain courting the Christian extreme. (McCain being a man for whom I have a great deal of respect.)

I would gladly support a Gore / Murtha ticket.

Posted by moder8 at 2006-07-02 02:54 PM | Reply

Yea you really bring a lot to the table moder8, haaaahahahaaaa.
I really love that last one, Gore/Murtha. Hey then you could cut and run in a solar vehicle.

You're close to being the biggest dipshit on this site. You're lucky people like Larry Mohr, The Truth, Lisa, Sarge, and Corky post here, it gives you cover.

Party before country, President before law.

These are the true traitors to the American ideal.

Corky it's par for the course with these Twerps unfortunately.

Larry

2ndcrusade, have you ever had an original post in your life? Is the purpose of your blogs simply to play cheerleader to all things right wing? You're a joke.

From the tenor of this article, it appears that the president and vice president are going to let Libby "swing in the breeze." (i.e. John Dean and the Nixon era)

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is a war zone and if anyone is stupid enough to be taken prisoner . . . well, you're on your own, good buddy.

Other than the stress of juggling lies, Libby probably isn't sweating too many bullets over this. No doubt his lawyers have assured him that there's a pardon in the pipeline at the end of Bush's term.

I don't see anybody doing any "time" over this. Unfortunately.

What pisses me off more than anything TwinPac there are still people out there DEFENDING the whole bunch. It's like these Criminals can do no wrong in their eyes. Hell they Could break into Any of their homes and they STILL would support and praise them. Utterly Disgraceful if You ask me.


Larry

LARRY:

Hell they Could break into Any of their homes

The Patriot Act, which in my opinion was never meant to protect us from terrorists, will come into play in a most devestating way, in due time.

The ultimate goal of the neo-cons is total subjugation of America by means of the powers it has bestowed upon itself. The depth and width of which is beyond our comprehension.

They've clearly demonstrated their contempt as they throw out wedge issues like scraps to a mutt and we, the mutts, haggle incessantly over non-issues that are beyond our control.

In the meantime, the neo-cons are working hard behind our back . . . and sometimes right under our noses . . . how best to bring America to it's knees and, for all intent and purposes, out of their way.

I fear for My country I really do. These piss poor excuses for Humanity and Americana don't have America's best interests at Heart. It's all about them and their corporate Pimps. Unfortunately the Bushites don't have a clue.


Larry

LARRY:

I'm afraid they DO have a clue.

It's just not the one we expect them to have.

Please read "Project For A New American Century" and you'll see that they're ahead of schedule (except for that little Iraqi thingy).

PNAC is their "clue."

Ummmmmmm the ones that don't have the clue are the Bushites TwinPac. I am VERY Familar with PNAC and what they stand for. The ones who are swilling down the Bush Lemming Juice faster than rednecks at an ALL NIGHT Kegger are the ones out of touch with reality.such a shame really.


Larry

"Party before country, President before law.

These are the true traitors to the American ideal.



Posted by Corky at 2006-07-04 02:02 AM"

Worth repeating.

"The swift boaters actually stepped forward to make their accusations."

By no one's suggestion or request, huh 2nd?? All these republican vets, all decided to stand up rally against Kerry....all at the same time, and you think it was done on their own?? Give me a break!!! The whole thing was quite orchastrated. That whole incident smelled like Rove!

Furthermore...the very things you think I'm "licking up", are the same things you have not offered points to disprove.

Odd how you don't even entertain them as a possibility.

It's not me drinking the koolaide, Crusade! : )

LARRY:

I intended to say that same thing in different terms.

What I was going to add was that we . . . and that means all of America . . . must share the burden of not only putting these demented people in control twice but, worse yet, snarfing up their feeble explanations like so many lemmings over a cliff.

Not everybody, mind you, but far too many as evidenced by the small audience on this board.

I have to assume that this is a very big country, people are just naturally stubborn and it takes a long time to for any sort of epiphany to set in.

But it will . . . that I promise.

We have two chances to change the course the neo-cons have in store for us. I only want America to use them wisely.

RCADE, if you are up yet, we have another porno web site posted under the ACLU thread on the back page.

Larry, they are posting it in your name

I see the Bush Hating leftists got up early to post this smear stroy that has no corroboration at all and only anonymous insinuations:

"according to people familiar with the president's statement."

"One senior government official familiar with the discussions between Bush and Cheney -- but who does not have firsthand knowledge of Bush's interview with prosecutors"

"A person with direct knowledge of Bush's interview refused to confirm that Bush used those words"

Happy 4th of July all you anti-american scumbags who would believe such crap.

loki

Sort of like some of that op-ed stuff you put so much faith in, huh?

You're a real trip!

"I see the Bush Hating leftists...."

Wrong as usual, Lokisfur!

What you see are America loving citizens who want truth and justice.

You wouldn't recognize it because you refuse to take off your Bush rose colored glasses!

Wise up!

Good comment, Derfla5. The right's engaged in a game of political hardball with the likes of Wilson, et all.

The president can declassify. That is not a leak. Bush haters think they can smear with impunity. They get plenty of cover from the MSM. But here's a case of fighting back... refuting false accusations. If you were running the admin and some hack was out there spewing falsehoods, what would you do?

""A person with direct knowledge of Bush's interview refused to confirm that Bush used those words""

Has it ever occured to you, Lokisfur, as to why they refuse to confirm?????

Why, with the reprecutions that some have suffered for speaking out against your "god", it's no wonder.

Funny how this source didn't jump at the chance to deny Bush said that, isn't it?!!

What is becoming more obvious every day when you read some of the posts by the right wing nuts is that they don't really even believe their nonsense any longer. They are just stubborn wannabe political commentators, each imagining him/herself to be the next Hannity or O'Rielly. They are stuck in a position created by their unthinking support for the most right wing president in memory and cannot veer from their course for fear it would require that they admit that they have been wrong about most of the Bush agenda. Slowly their side loses believers and leaves only those who are incapable of admitting that they were fooled. In a way I pity them because just as my own father clung to his belief in Richard Nixon, eventually the truth will penetrate their minds, and as was the case with my dad many years after the fact they will finally have to admit that they were more concerned about winning an argument than with knowing the truth. In order to know the truth you can't make up your mind and then reject all evidence to the contrary.
I don't worry about them too much any longer because now the vast majority of Americans realizes the mistakes (crimes) that were made leaving just the most stubborn behind to blather their nonsense, seeming more and more detatched from reality, bordering on mental illness.

Thanks oohrah, it is amazing isn't it...that democrats will just continue to defend an indefensible stroy. Look at the idiotic comments here so far. All they are supset with is that people have called them on their shit -- trying to pass off a smear stroy as actual news.

If the Democrats ever want to be taken seriously they are going to have to stand up for the truth and say, "A story that cannot be attributed and vetted has no busineess posted on this site as a "news" story...because it is not."

You would be hard pressed to find a republican posting "news" stroies here based on anonymous and hearsay sources. And if they are posted, the Left rightfully jumps all it. Rightfully so. And you certainly don't find republicans defending such a posting.

On this 4th of July, the Drudge Retort reminds us how hateful, anti-American, and dishonest most Democrats and Liberals really are.


"Good comment, Derfla5"

Oohrah:

You agree that those who speak out against Bush are Anti Americans scum??

You further agree that it's OK to declassify for personal interest, personal gain??

Wow!!!!

"If you were running the admin and some hack was out there spewing falsehoods, what would you do?"

Hack? Is that what you call someone who tries to bring forth truth?

I'll tell you what I would do...I'd prove that "hack" wrong! I certainly wouldn't use my power to authorize retaliation to destroy others for my own personal gain, which is the level your "wonderful" administraion has sunk to!!

Geez...is there ever a point that you people will say that the level this administration has sunk to is wrong?! a man put on no fly list, because he wrote an unflattering book about Bush, people losing jobs, people whose identity was supposed to remain a secret, suddenly exposed...all because they dare speak out against a man whose motives are shakey at at best.

danni, and what does anything you say about "right wing nuts" have to do with the fact that this story's accusation against Bush, presented as news, is based on anonymous sources, hearsay and speculation.

Danni-
I get your point about Nixon. I know others like your dad.

I guess I'd ask you to consider that those on the Right aren't universal in their love for Bush, nor were all Lefties in support of Kerry.

As I've said before, running a country isn't like a math problem where 2 + 2 gets the same answer each time.

When mistakes are made, the people note those and can elect someone else. Last cycle they chose to keep him, which I think is the first time a sitting president who'd received fewer popular votes the prior time actually won re-election.

But a mental illness? That's a stretch. As a Republican I see personal attacks on our Commander in Chief as an indirect attack on my country and me/my values. I think that's where Dems' screaming for Bush's scalp turns people away. Just a thought.

"If the Democrats ever want to be taken seriously..."

Actually, Lokiderfl, er, I mean Lokisfur, Democrats could care less if you think they're taken seriously or not.

After all, in the last four presidential elections the Democrats have gotten more votes than the Republicans in three, and were less than 3% in the fourth.

On this 4th of July, the Drudge Retort reminds us how hateful, anti-American, and dishonest most Republicans and Conservatives really are.

Hans

"On this 4th of July, the Drudge Retort reminds us how hateful, anti-American, and dishonest most Democrats and Liberals really are."

LOL

This was posted by who??? Lokisfur..I mean Derfla??

LMAO!!!

Too funny!

Come on "Derfla", give me a reasonable answer as to why this source didn't jump at the chance to deny Bush's comment.

I've used your "handle"...you said those who use it, you will respond to...I'll be waiting.

Lisa, frankly I am through with you. Using my handle once in post after taunting post doesn't override the constant disrespect you have shown me.

You have no interest in my comments otherwise you would have respected my simple request.

I asked people to use my "handle" properly. I don't address people here incorrectly and I expect the same respect. You obvioulsy have none for me, so to hell with you.

LOL

What's the problem, "Derfla"??

Can't come up with a reasonable answer can you?

I didn't think so.

What a powerful article from a very credible source!

These are exactly how everyone assumed it unfolded. But until the people of the country get upset enough then the bad deeds will not be punished. And a concerned citizen's effort to prevent the country from making a big, unnecessary and expensive mistake will have been punished by a vile, politically divisive cabal led by a vice-filled right-wing demagogue.

town, please name the credible source? Also please name any source that has corroborated that source in the article.

Just calling an article powerful doesn't make it powerful. And just because an article says the things you want to hear doesn't make it news.

On this 4th of July, the Drudge Retort reminds us how hateful, anti-American, and dishonest most Democrats and Liberals really are.

"...the constant disrespect you have shown me."

Respect is earned, not given, Lokiderfl.

Oh, and your whining ("I asked people to use my "handle" properly.") is rather comical.

On this 4th of July, the Drudge Retort reminds us how hateful, anti-American, and dishonest most Republicans and Conservatives really are.

Hans

"Respect is earned, not given."

So is disrespect.

Oh, and Lokiderfl, have you offered an apology to Larry yet?

Of course, that would require honesty, integrity and personal responsibility.

Most people here don't believe you possess such qualities.

On this 4th of July, the Drudge Retort reminds us how hateful, anti-American, and dishonest most Republicans and Conservatives really are.

Hans

"So is disrespect."

Bravo, Data!

Hans

"""danni, and what does anything you say about "right wing nuts" have to do with the fact that this story's accusation against Bush, presented as news, is based on anonymous sources, hearsay and speculation.""

Well Derflas, I've got an idea. You find me some stories about the Bush administration written by even remotely credible sources which speak of the dishonesty, duplicitousness and greed of this administration that, in the end, haven't be thoroughly documented then I might consider your reasoning. When a president is proven to be a liar and someone who would use any means necessary to sell a war that was unecessary then he loses his right to cry about the validity of charges. You guys lost the war of ideas about Iraq and now can't realistically expect us to wait for evidence that the administration keeps classified to make our case. If they have nothing to hide then they should stop preventing access to the information that would prove their innocence, when they don't they just laugh at you who still defend them. They are praying to their Gods of money and power that they can continue to depend on your support just a little longer hoping that you will not stop and start asking questions like the rest of us.

Damn Danni...you're on a roll this morning!

Good post!

The right's engaged in a game of political hardball with the likes of Wilson, et all.

And if they have to give aid and comfort to al queda along the way,so be it. A hundred thousand dead Americans would be a small price to pay to polish the Failure-in-Chief's image for a day or two.

Treason, it's not just for the enemy any more, apparently.

What a surprise that everyone here sees what they want to see in this story (and that goes for both sides), even though none of what either side claims to see is actually there.

"On this 4th of July, the Drudge Retort reminds us how hateful, anti-American, and dishonest most Democrats and Liberals really are."

"On this 4th of July, the Drudge Retort reminds us how hateful, anti-American, and dishonest most Republicans and Conservatives really are."

At what point must one stand back and question their own words? Here we have a debate about a potentially momentous situation, and it immediately reverts to accusations which essentially imply treason. Given, the gravity of the situation demands that any accusation issued must be one of extreme weight, but this does not alter the fact that whatever the resolution of this situation it has a bearing on all participants in this debate.

People who engage in such thoughtless ad hominem effectively block any point they can make. I'm not going to take anyone seriously who makes such a broad and undefined generalization, because if they do so in as limited an arena as this, how then do they evaluate their facts and come up with their arguments? I doubt as well that anyone else would either.

The right immediately claims that this story is bullshit because there is no person that they can stand and point at and demand further clarification from. A very admirable trait, actually. On the other hand, the left, while offering evidence of such abuses in the past, references people who have been abused for dissent, and thus state that the potential for harm to the source is an impassable boundry for anyone who wishes to keep their job.

I am of the opinion that the potential for this misuse of power is worth consideration despite the source. I cannot for the life of me see how this marks someone as anti-American or dishonest, but I must admit that there is definitely hate.

Refutation would be key.

6655321, are you saying that the Bush administration must refute every unfounded accusation or the presumption will be the story is truthful?

I never suggested that this story is "treason". It is however an attempt at "character assasination" on the part of the publisher of this story. By presenting such accusations as "news" without any credible evidence to support those accusations is wrong.

I have never heard of the website or publication which this story is taken from. My guess is that it is a partisan site and the things it publishes don't even attempt to follow any ethical code of conduct.

And yes, you are correct. To support the publicationof unfair accusations, and then defend them reflects a lot of hate.

As I said before, "On this 4th of July, the Drudge Retort reminds us how hateful, anti-American, and dishonest most Democrats and Liberals really are."

No, I am saying if you want to effectively rebut something, you must refute it. You seem to operate on the assumption that the source is so far below credibility that you need not waste your time on it, which in turn allows people who are swayed by the source to acknowledge your apparent lack of concern as a cop-out. "It is obvious from my vast wealth of experience in estimating the partisanship of any given publication that this one is false. That is just happens to disagree with me is all for the better. Now suck it, you hateful, anti-American and dishonest Democrats and liberals!"

Suggesting that the left is anti-American would be analagous to suggesting that the left is teasonous, no?

If a person is taken up with the format of a medium more than they are with the content, does their opinion really matter?

I think people are less supporting the source than they are upset that people would rather attack the source than address the very real potential of governmental abuse of power. I might just be projecting this thought onto what I have read, as that is my reason for anger, but to not acknowledge the potential of a crime gives any person free reign to do whatever they wish. Do you, Derfla5, acknowledge the potential for the abuse of power in this instance?

"What pisses me off more than anything TwinPac there are still people out there DEFENDING the whole bunch."

What's so amusing about the Left is that they don't understand the difference between defense and ridicule.

Telling Leftie Losers that their argument is nonsense is NOT the same thing as defending Bush. You can be a total fool and idiot without the aid of the president.

This thread is the perfect example. Same old warmed over desperate bullshit. Rubbing yourself raw with the fantasy of a conviction related to Valerie Plame. Get some KY and grow up.

As I said before, "On this 4th of July, the Drudge Retort reminds us how hateful, anti-American, and dishonest most Democrats and Liberals really are."

You Are Such A Kool-Aid Drinker !!!

And With The President Approval Rating Between 29%-35% for the Past 7 Months You Must Be Smoking Crack !!!

Then Again You Are A Liar So That Makes Perfect Sense In Your Statement.

Bush Will Go Down In History As The Worst President Since Hoover !!!

Iraq Still Is Fucked Up And Is A Month Into Loki's Monumental Peace and Calm After The Full Government was Established.

-Sarge

I am of the opinion that the potential for this misuse of power is worth consideration despite the source.

Posted by 6655321 at 2006-07-04 11:29 AM | Reply
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BAT CHILD FOUND IN CAVE!
BELCHING SWORD SWALLOWER ACCIDENTALLY IMPALES AUDIENCE MEMBER!
BUSH TO STAR ON FOX'S 24?
BAT CHILD ESCAPES!
TIRED OF YOUR TATTOO?
Get Rid Of It With A Hand Sander!

All headlines from the Weekly World News.

So, the source doesn't matter?


Thus you are essentially saying that every single claim that power was misused has as much credibility as the WWN. That being said, it is safe to say that you believe this administration so far above any shadow of doubt that the misuse addressed in this article is impossible. A fact which, drawing on JUST what you have said, allows others to say that blindly follow. At least, that's what hyperbole in an otherwise serious debate does to me.

As an aside, I really only immerse myself into this type of medium occasionally and as such am not likely equipped with as many thousands of articles as have likely been written about this topic. Is this potential so played up over nothing, or is there actually some credibility to it?

This War Was Planned Since The 90's By This Administration.

The Names Are All Involved Wrote To Clinton To Request This Foolish Escapade:

January 26, 1998



The Honorable William J. Clinton
President of the United States
Washington, DC


Dear Mr. President:

We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, and to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world. That strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime from power. We stand ready to offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor.

The policy of "containment" of Saddam Hussein has been steadily eroding over the past several months. As recent events have demonstrated, we can no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War coalition to continue to uphold the sanctions or to punish Saddam when he blocks or evades UN inspections. Our ability to ensure that Saddam Hussein is not producing weapons of mass destruction, therefore, has substantially diminished. Even if full inspections were eventually to resume, which now seems highly unlikely, experience has shown that it is difficult if not impossible to monitor Iraq's chemical and biological weapons production. The lengthy period during which the inspectors will have been unable to enter many Iraqi facilities has made it even less likely that they will be able to uncover all of Saddam's secrets. As a result, in the not-too-distant future we will be unable to determine with any reasonable level of confidence whether Iraq does or does not possess such weapons.


Such uncertainty will, by itself, have a seriously destabilizing effect on the entire Middle East. It hardly needs to be added that if Saddam does acquire the capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction, as he is almost certain to do if we continue along the present course, the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world's supply of oil will all be put at hazard. As you have rightly declared, Mr. President, the security of the world in the first part of the 21st century will be determined largely by how we handle this threat.



Given the magnitude of the threat, the current policy, which depends for its success upon the steadfastness of our coalition partners and upon the cooperation of Saddam Hussein, is dangerously inadequate. The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.

We urge you to articulate this aim, and to turn your Administration's attention to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power. This will require a full complement of diplomatic, political and military efforts. Although we are fully aware of the dangers and difficulties in implementing this policy, we believe the dangers of failing to do so are far greater. We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf. In any case, American policy cannot continue to be crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity in the UN Security Council.

We urge you to act decisively. If you act now to end the threat of weapons of mass destruction against the U.S. or its allies, you will be acting in the most fundamental national security interests of the country. If we accept a course of weakness and drift, we put our interests and our future at risk.

Sincerely,

Elliott Abrams Richard L. Armitage William J. Bennett

Jeffrey Bergner John Bolton Paula Dobriansky

Francis Fukuyama Robert Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad

William Kristol Richard Perle Peter W. Rodman

Donald Rumsfeld William Schneider, Jr. Vin Weber

Paul Wolfowitz R. James Woolsey Robert B. Zoellick

www.newamericancentury.org

They Had Over 5 Years To Plan This Bullshit Campaign And They Still Fucked It Up.

So As Far As The Possibility Of The Setting Wilson For A Fall When He Was Exposing The Intel Was Faulty, Why Would They Not Attempt To Discredited Him?

So To Place This Accusation In The Realm Of Fantasy Conspiracy Is Very Disingenuous.

-Sarge

I asked people to use my "handle" properly. I don't address people here incorrectly and I expect the same respect. You obvioulsy have none for me, so to hell with you.


Posted by Derfla5 at 2006-07-04 08:43 AM | Reply

So When I Asked You Man To Man If You Were Lokisfur, Your Honest Answer Was "No".

Like I Stated Bush And His Supporters Are Pathological Liars And You Prove It !!

-Sarge

665--anti-american and treason are two different things. To be treasonous you have to help the enemy in some way that it puts american lives in real danger. You can be anti-american without aiding and abetting the enemy.

Also, you are wrong when you say "to effectively refute something you must rebut it". One must consider the source. Because to refute a story implies there is at least some credibility to the publisher of that story.
can you imagine If Bush refuted a story in the Weekly World News. It would link him forevermore with a bunch of nuts who believe that some cloned goat in georgia is the 2nd Coming of Marilyn Monroe.


Also, I don't operate on the assumption that the source at the top of the page has no credibility, I know it has no credibility. Why do you believe it has any credibility?

The administration has to respond to legit news sources...the best thing for them to do with fringe sources is jsut not say anything.

Also, your argument that you are uspest that people focus on the source rather then then the "potential for the abuse of power" is ridiculous.

Just because somebody makes up a story about abuse of power doesn't mean that I have to discuss some poetential abuse of power. get me a stroy with some validity to back up the accusations and then we can have that discussion. Until then, don't throw some smear story my way and try to pass it off as the truth.

That's the "Tawana Brawley" argument, that even thought she lied about being raped and kidnapped by white men doesn't mean it couldn't have happened.

And if it could have happened, that's more important to talk about then the fact that it never did and tawana lied about the whole thing.

You probally live in San Francsco to have such twisted views.



What a great site. Aren't we lucky to have such great fonts of wisdom, such as Danni and Lisa to instruct us poor misguided souls on the truth. how wonderful to read these possessors of superior intellect instruct us,the great unwashed. I thank Gods every night that he sends us these self delusional, self important, liberal psuedo intellectuals to set the record straight. I have never seen so many malicous, vitriolic, hateful postings by the loony left since we locked up my crazy uncle in the attic.

cornuto, did you at least let your crazy uncle out see Al Gore's movie.

Obviously any view that is not your own is twisted. I try to have a rational argument on even the potential of an action and you immediately assume, given your reaction, that I am trying to pin anything down concretely. If I were trying to do any such thing, and not instead trying to have a somewhat rational debate about the potential for misuse and its ramifications, I would have sought a story which did exactly what you requested. I'm not trying to prove a damn thing. As could be seen, I would think, by my not trying to prove a damn thing.

I'm curious, what publications would you consider pro-American and thus reliable? For instance, if Fox news came out with such a story, would it then be credible or would Fox news suddenly become anti-American, dishonest, and hateful?

Derflas.
No, we didn't let our crazy uncle out to watch the Al Gore movie. that would probably drive hime sane.

6655321,

You are wasting your time, these people have no concept of pursuit of the Facts, all they consistently do is Name Call and Vilify those of Opposing Views.

You must alway note the Key Buzz Word And Phrases. They Attack Intelligence and Informed Thinking.

If you Don't Agree With The President Or Operation Iraq Freedom, You Automatically Become Un-American, A Traitor, And So On.

Some Ass clown on the GI Rape thread called the Accused Soldier A Democrat Liberal, because that is what they do.

We must trust and Never Question The Bush Administration,Though The Major Players in this Administration started their Political Careers in the Nixon Administration, Need I say more.

-Sarge

April 26, 2006
Waas Strikes Back
Mary McCarthy, Democratic CIA operative with ties to several high-profile players in both Plamegate and the former Kerry campaign, got tossed out 10 days prior to retirement for having unauthorized contacts with journalists and possibly leaking classified information. You can smell fear in the air on this issue for the Democrats, and the media is circling the wagons to protect McCarthy. Now what they need is some way to deflect the scandal back onto the Republicans and the White House. Who to call? Murray Waas!

In yet another typical Murray Waas piece, sourced again entirely by anonymous sources, old news is presented in a supposed new twist to generate a story to deflect from those Waas wishes to protect. This time it is McCarthy and all her leaky friends in the CIA, and former NSC staffers such as Joe Wilson. Who is the target for the deflection? Senator Pat Roberts. What did good old Waas dig up this time?

In a story instructing the reader that there is a double standard on leak probes, Waas seeks to deflect from McCarthy's legal troubles by revealing (again!) that Pat Roberts did the "same" thing. Three years ago. Thus, the "double standard" angle. As always, Waas picks up his story from anonymous sources who conveniently tell him exactly what he needs to hear:

But three years ago on the eve of the invasion of Iraq, Roberts himself was involved in disclosing sensitive intelligence information that, according to four former senior intelligence officers, impaired efforts to capture Saddam Hussein and potentially threatened the lives of Iraqis who were spying for the United States.
Oy. That sure does sound bad for Roberts. Oh wait, this was three years ago, and I thought we were talking about McCarthy? Shiny ... the shiny ... follow the shiny ...

On March 20, 2003, at the onset of military hostilities between U.S. and Iraqi forces, Roberts said in a speech to the National Newspaper Association that he had "been in touch with our intelligence community" and that the CIA had informed President Bush and the National Security Council "of intelligence information from what we call human intelligence that indicated the location of Saddam Hussein and his leadership in a bunker in the suburbs of Baghdad."

The US started bombing Iraq on March 19, 2003 in a so-called "decapitation" attack meant to surprise Saddam Hussein and nail him. So Roberts told a group of editors the following day that human intelligence had helped them figure out where to bomb the previous day. Sounds harmless to me. Was there reason to believe that Saddam didn't put two and two together after this attempt on his life? Of course there was! Just listen to Waas' anonymous sources!

The former intelligence officials said in interviews that Roberts was never held accountable for his comments, which bore directly on the issue of intelligence-gathering sources and methods, and revealed that Iraqis close to Hussein were probably talking to the United States. These former officials contrasted the Roberts case with last week's firing of CIA officer Mary O. McCarthy, as examples of how rank and file intelligence professionals now have much to fear from legitimate and even inadvertent contacts with journalists, while senior executive branch officials and members of Congress are almost never held accountable when they seriously breach national security through leaks of information.
The story just writes itself, doesn't it? Waas' anonymous sources basically wrote the entire story for him. "Hey, don't you remember back when Roberts said some stuff like three years ago? That was totally wicked man. Oh, and there's totally a double standard against us CIA spooks in comparison with members of Congress. You'd almost think we have different types of jobs!" Kidding aside, how many believe that four former intelligence officials suddenly recalled Roberts revealing comments from three years ago? I don't. It sounds a lot more like Waas went shopping in previous articles by The Hill and The New Republic, Waas having written for the latter earlier.

Apparently Saddam's position being bombed precisely by American firepower would not have tipped off Saddam that someone was squealing. That's what Waas wants us to believe. However, we don't need to believe any of these things. Hilariously enough Dana Priest, the reporter who has been entangled with McCarthy's sacking, wrote an article with Bob Woodward and Walter Pincus the day after Roberts made his comments, where a whole slew of intelligence officials revealed all sorts of nifty information:

The decision to attack the compound, which President Bush and his senior advisers reached during a two-hour discussion at the White House Wednesday afternoon, provided an indication that the intelligence agency has succeeded in establishing an alliance with some Iraqis close to Hussein.
This article was written March 21, 2003 - a day after Roberts public comments to a group of newspaper editors. It continues:

Other officials said the CIA had gathered highly sensitive and reliable electronic and other information, using a wide range of assets -- from humans in some proximity to the compound to image-snapping satellites miles above.

Ah, so there might not have been anyone on the inside of Saddam's circle leaking it to us then? We now know that Saddam and his sons were not at the compound that was bombed, indicating strongly that the intelligence most likely did not come from within Saddam's circle. In fact:

One official argued that the intelligence about Hussein's whereabouts "could be a provocation." By planting the information, "the Iraqis could be luring American aircraft into a trap where they could be shot down," the official said, adding it would then be a propaganda victory for Hussein.

Now this anonymous official I can believe - Saddam wasn't there. Case closed. For a parody on the abilities of the CIA (sorry Larry Johnson and Tyler Drumheller), we turn to George "Slam Dunk" Tenet:

The information that Hussein was in the compound had been collected over a period of days and was confirmed in the hours prior to the attack. In the White House meeting, Tenet told Bush and other senior leaders that "this is pretty darn good intelligence" that Hussein was in the bunker.

Sure was! Lest Waas continue to pretend that Saddam would be blind to the fact that we had human intelligence in Iraq, we only need to be reminded of Colin Powell's presentation to the UN where he bragged about all the human sources in Iraq that were providing them with information:

Numerous human sources tell us that the Iraqis are moving, not just documents and hard drives, but weapons of mass destruction to keep them from being found by inspectors.

So in all reality, did Roberts actually "reveal" anything? Or could Saddam Hussein, and everyone else in the world, have concluded that we had used human intelligence in order to determine where to try and take out the dictator? Regardless, it seems that this wasn't the case because Saddam wasn't where he was supposed to be, and officials told the Washington Post that they had gleaned the location from human sources in proximity to the compound - not people in Saddam's inner circle.

Let's just continue to pretend none of these facts exist. OK so then, riddle me this, how bad was what Roberts did in comparison to what McCarthy is accused of doing? You will be shocked, shocked I say, to find out the views of an anonymous former intelligence official:

"On a scale of one to ten, if Mary McCarthy did what she is accused of doing, it would be at best a six or seven," said one former senior intelligence official, whose position required involvement in numerous leak investigations. "What Pat Roberts did, from a legal and national security point of view, was an eleven."

I'm struggling a bit here. Roberts tells a group of newspaper editors the day after a military strike on a specific target meant to take out Saddam Hussein that human intelligence was involved, in person, on the record. This is worse than McCarthy leaking classified information, not common sense information, behind the protection of a journalist, never actually revealing herself. Yeah, I guess I could see how those are similar ...

If I was a crazy person, that is. Go with it Waas:

By contrast, the circumstances involving Roberts' statements three years ago to the newspaper group were never subjected to official scrutiny. The senator's comments, while highly significant, received almost no press attention at the time.

Highly significant because ... you want it to be? This reminds me of when John Kerry unmasked an intelligence official in some sort of hearing a few years back. Did anyone care? No, not really. Certainly not the media or Waas. At least the Washington Post reported Roberts' comments the day after he made them. The reason why nobody cared was because the information Roberts came ou with was not of any importance, but after three years it will be much easier for Waas to play with our memories, especially with the help of his trusty anonymous sources:

At the time, it was one of the most sensitive secrets in government that the CIA had recruited Iraqi nationals who claimed to have infiltrated Hussein's inner circle to be able to follow his movements at the onset of war. But after the bombs and missiles hit an Iraqi governmental complex known as Dora Park, located on the Tigris River south of Baghdad, Hussein either was not there, or escaped unharmed.
Whether or not Roberts' comments were inadvertent, former intelligence officials said, they almost certainly tipped off the Iraqi dictator that there were spies close to him. "He [Roberts] had given up that we had a penetration of [Saddam's] inner circle," says a former senior intelligence official. "It was the worst thing you could ever do."



Aside from eating babies, I suppose. Seriously though, Waas gives up the game right here. Now we find out that these human intelligence sources "claimed" to have infiltrated Hussein's inner-circle. Obviously they were lying, because Saddam and his sons were never struck by any of the bombing campaigns.

What repercussions, if any, occurred in Baghdad as a result of Roberts' comments could not be determined, according to sources. After the missile and bombing attack on his bunker, it is possible that Hussein suspected that he had a spy or spies within his entourage, intelligence officials said. One former official said that the Iraqi dictator "very well may have thought he had been located because of electronic monitoring." Two former intelligence officials said the disclosure by Roberts may have made it more difficult to launch a second missile or bombing attack against Saddam Hussein in the early days of the war.

I may have a Ferrari parked outside. I wouldn't count on it though. The run-down: Roberts' "worst thing you could ever do" leak, I mean public disclosure, had undetermined consequences and may have done this, and may have done that even though we now know that all of this supposedly great human intelligence was completely wrong. Did I get that right? All of this was said after we already used the intelligence and attempted to bomb Saddam, rendering any secrecy of such intelligence moot. One can only envision Saddam's henchmen telling him, "Sir, someone might have tipped off our location to the Americans!" I'd imagine Saddam's response was on the order of something such as, "No, you think?!" Or perhaps Saddam laughed at the CIA's futile attempts to bomb him because their intelligence was worthless.

We still don't know what McCarthy actually leaked, but I'm sure Mr. Waas will tell us all about it like he told us all about Senator Roberts' massive conspiracy to publicly disclose worthless intelligence information. I wonder if any of the many of Waas' anonymous intelligence official sources might know what McCarthy was up to, or if they could find out for the inquiring mind of Waas. What's the use of having anonymous intelligence sources if you're not going to use them?

Oh. Right. I forgot. McCarthy is a Democrat.

Idiots

665-- I think any major newspaper or major network or cable station has to be considered a credible source which must be taken seriously.

FOX is in that group, but so is CNN, and MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, the NY Times, Washiongton Post...and many more.

Also, you made the comments "they are upset that people would rather attack the source than address the very real potential of governmental abuse of power. AND "to not acknowledge the potential of a crime gives any person free reign to do whatever they wish.Do you, Derfla5, acknowledge the potential for the abuse of power in this instance?"

And I responded by regjecting your premise:

Just because somebody makes up a story about abuse of power doesn't mean that I or anyone has to discuss some "poetential abuse of power."

Get me a story with some validity to back up the accusations and then we can have that discussion. Until then, don't throw some unverified smear story my way and suggest the validity of the story is less important then the possibility it might be true.

That's the "Tawana Brawley" argument, that even thought she lied about being raped and kidnapped by white men doesn't mean it couldn't have happened.

And if it could have happened, that's more important to talk about then the fact that it never did and tawana lied about the whole thing.

I have never suggested that any view that is not my own is twisted...however any view which would argue that a story unfair accusations against the President is a legitimate springboard to discuss 'potential abuse of power" is twisted.

What if someone wrote a stroy about you, accusing you of stealing...or murder...without any substantiation.

Would it be OK to use that unfair story to discuss your guilt or innocence in a public forum. or would you find the mere existence of such a discussion would lend unfair credibility to the story itself?

There is a reason why this stroy isn't in the mainstream media. And there is a reason why the journalist who wrote the piee could only back up his accusations with hearsay and anonymous sources. -- because they can't prove it is true. And if you can't prove it, the accusation should not have been made.



en.wikipedia.org

The Washington Journal is a widely respected source. It is an insider's record of the happenings in the nation's capital. Worth reading if you can afford it the $25/day (or $1,799/year) subscription.

Cheney, feeling a little dizzy from a heart machine palpitation said:
"Go fuck yourself Mr Bush"

Hey...Doofus#5 (I'm sorry...that was cruel and unneccessary)...I suppose I'm one of those treasonous and vile Booosh haters by your definition. Now what? What are you going to do about it? Mangle some more syntax and show us all how ill-equipped you are to handle simple sentence structure and puntuation? Typos are typos, but your didactic little screeds habitually de-evolve into meandering comma splice bromides (miraculously stuck together without actually using commas), all revolving around clumsily plagerized old chestnuts from the RNC Talking Points Handbook. (((Yawn...)))

You might find comfort in spending the rest of your days being told when and what to be afraid of, but leave the rest of us out of it. Dragging that dead old horse around must grind on even you after a while. How badly must it smell before you finally cut it loose?

And, oh yes...when in doubt, there's always the San Francisco card to play. That really brings a world of credibility to whatever point you were fumbling around in the dark trying to make. Its at this point in the conversation that I now invite you to fluff my johnson.

Allegory...it's not for breakfast anymore.

Dutch, do you have something to actually add to the debate or are you just a copy editor slumming in your spare time.

You live by the sword ,you die by the sword. Politicians are criminals,crime and politics are one in the same. I could care less what happens to Cheny,Wilson ,Bush or any of these other thieves.They chose thier lives career path so to hell with them. Of course the point of the Grand experiment in a new type of government ,of the people,by the people and for the people is and has been a illusion for some time. That is the saddest part of the whole equation.

The corruption of Bush/Cheney is so clear to any nonpartisan as to be laughable. The only real purpose of a thread like this is to "out" the ridiculous Right Wing, by getting them to reveal their absurdity when they deny what is clear to everyone else, and when they insult everyone they disagree with as knee jerk reaction.

moder8, so you consider yourself "non-partisan" and you find nothing wrong with uncorroborated anonymous accusations against the President in this article?

"...uncorroborated anonymous accusations against the President..."

That's the typical MO for this president, Lokiderfl.

Just ask
John McCain.

Oh, and Lokiderfl, have you offered an apology to Larry yet?

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Hans

I am definitely partisan. I am a democrat. But I am not so partisan that I am unable to honestly weigh the flaws (and corruption) of certain Democratic leaders. Now can you honestly say the same thing Defla? Can you honestly deny the corrupt nature of the Bush administration, and the coordinated efforts it has made to smear those who do not agree with them?

How can anyone claim membership in either party? Both are rich with corruption and scandal. It just so happens the current band of Rep thieves is in power so the other band of thieves are constantly trying to steal that power. That will happen in November and things will stay pretty much the same until 2008.pretty much sickening to watch on a daily basis.Human nature and the quest for money,power and sex are the oldest motivations to man. At least I can try to keep these desires right sized in my own personal life, thats realy all any of us have any semblance of control over anyway.

CONTROLLEDPAIRS'
The quest for money, sex and power? Count me in! Hell, I'll settle for two out of three...as long as sex is one of them.

moder, if you are asking me if I believe the Bush administration is corrupt, it isn't. It has plenty of flaws but corruption is not one of them. Neiter are they engaged in coordinated efforts to smear those who do not agree wtih them.

I am a Republican, but like you I am not so partisan that I can't see the flaws and dishonesty of politicians in my party. I know it is hard for you to believe but Bush, Cheney, and Rove don't fall into that category.

I will tell you one thing though, I am very proud to belong to a party that distances itself from corruption within its ranks, as opposed to your party which defends it, and blames it on "vast right wing conspiracies".

"I am very proud to belong to a party that distances itself from corruption within its ranks".

You're now a Democrat?

Tom Delay, R, upon nearing indictment, got the Republicans to change the rules allowing indicted Speakers to continue to remain in power, until public outcry forced a retreat.

William Jefferson, D, bribe-taker and cold-cash stasher, was booted off his powerful Democratic committee even before being indicted.

Derf's conclusion: Reps avoid crooks, Dems embrace them.

I'll say this, Loki: You're always good for a laugh.

" a party that distances itself from corruption within its ranks,"

ROFLMAO!!!

wheeew...stop already!!

Your party is full of corruption...top to bottom.

SEEK HELP!! There has to be someone able to help with this level of denial.

moder, if you are asking me if I believe the Bush administration is corrupt, it isn't. It has plenty of flaws but corruption is not one of them. Neiter are they engaged in coordinated efforts to smear those who do not agree wtih them.

I am a Republican, but like you I am not so partisan that I can't see the flaws and dishonesty of politicians in my party. I know it is hard for you to believe but Bush, Cheney, and Rove don't fall into that category.

I will tell you one thing though, I am very proud to belong to a party that distances itself from corruption within its ranks, as opposed to your party which defends it, and blames it on "vast right wing conspiracies".

Posted by Derfla5 at 2006-07-04 07:52 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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ROFLMMFAO That is too funny. Please Dial this number for treatment of Your Delusions of Grandiour. 1-800-BELLEVEU They Operate the phonebanks 24/7/365 and are willing to help at a moments notice. Please Seek treatment A.S.A.P. for Your own mental Health.


Larry

"Neiter are they engaged in coordinated efforts to smear those who do not agree wtih them."

And there's anyone who doubts that derfla5 is lokisfur?

Oh, and Lokiderfl, have you
offered an apology to Larry yet?

Of course, that would require honesty, integrity and personal responsibility.

Most people here don't believe you possess such qualities.

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Hans

"And there's anyone who doubts that derfla5 is lokisfur?"

Naaaah.

"And there's anyone who doubts that derfla5 is lokisfur?"

Only Loki. I think he has a bad case of schizophrenia.

Derfla5 '...as opposed to your party which defends it, and blames it on "vast right wing conspiracies".'

Is there some sort of time warp going on? Yo! Dude! Wake up! Clinton is not President any more. It's not the 1990s. So why are you dredging up quotes from 1998?

Really, what is it with the right wingers around here? About every other post is about something in the 90s. It's almost as if they don't want to face what is happening NOW. You know, the stuff they are responsible for? Earth to wingers. Earth to wingers. You control the government. Stop pointing at others to blame. Personal responsibility. Hear of it?

LOKI:

Since you are such a defender of truth in journalism, perhaps you'd like to explain one of your own blog entries on July 18 . . . which, incidentally, turned out to be far from the truth

Liberals Beat Up 7-Year Olds

Your comment:

Liberals in Lexington, Massachusetts have taken to beating up seven year old children of their political opponents.


Stuff like this is one of the many reasons why bloggers here disrespect you.

You don't practice what you preach.

Sassy, we'd better do our best to remember the 90's That was when we were really rolling as a nation, everyone had more hope, and our standing as a beacon of democracy was unscarred by the blatent disregard Bush and his cronies have for our Constitution and we as ordinary citizens - let alone the tens of thousands of US Military killed or wounded for life for a war we didn't need to fight.,

Now Afghanistan is falling to the Taliban again, our promises there are unfulled, Osama Bin Laden is at large, and Somolia has fallen to Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda now has TWO countries to train in. Iraq for LIVE practice, and Somolia for a safe haven..

I pray for a miracle candidate who can begin to undo the monstrous damage Bush and his minions (or his puppeteers more realistically) have done to our nation and our standing in the world.

They used a tragedy like 9/11 to REALLY get to work screwing up everything they touch. Heck GWB is batting 1000% if you include his failures in his life previous to the White House in running everything he touches into the ground.

Unfortunately for America, we are his business now.

If the information was leaked but not declassified YET then a crime was commited. Analogy: If you broke a law that was changed AFTER you broke it you are still prosecuted for the crime under the OLD law,

This affair with Valarie Plame is just one more example of how little regard the White House and Congress have for American citizens and our nation as a whole.

Iraq was the FIRST item on the NEW Bush administration's FIRST cabinet meeting. WAY" before 9/11 ever happened. They used a terrible tragedy to wreak havoc on our way of life, and the lives of tens of thousands of US Servicemen with their follies.

God Bless the USA We REALLY" need HIS help now


They used a terrible tragedy to wreak havoc on our way of life, and the lives of tens of thousands of US Servicemen with their follies.

Posted by AllAmerican

Neiter are they engaged in coordinated efforts to smear those who do not agree wtih them.(the bush admin)

What fuckin planet do you live on? Ask John Kerry, McCain, Mclellan, Cleland, ect ect how they feel about Karl Rove and the Bush Smear machine. Ray was right, you are pathologically stupid.

Mclellan = Murtha. Hmmm.

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