No surprise from this guy. Hanegbi is a psychopath. His speeches aren't all talk-- he once was found guilty of a vicious attack on Arab students at Hebrew University in Jerusalem-- assaulting them with a chain whip. He might be saying this because in the past he has been accused of massive fraud and bribery-- perhaps he thinks he can build up pop support with these sort of mafioso statements.

A senior member of Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's party threatened Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas with assassination on Monday if the group renewed suicide bombings in Israel.

errr, did Israel's PM forget that his country just blew a bunch of women and children up on a beach in Palestine? No way was that accidental. I am now convinced -- although I denied it for a long time -- that Israel is itching for a fight and a war. Israel knows their lapdog and warmongering idiot Bush will do whatever the U.S. Neocons and the rightwing hardliners in Israel tell him to do -- and that is WAR.

i'm not convinced, califchris. Why would israel want to go to war-- isn't it surrounded on all sides by enemies? Why would the US do what israel tells it to do? Have you any evidence of this, or is it just a hunch?

Well I grow tired of Isreal with all its tough talk because the US via Bushling and his throngs of premillineal dispensationalist apoclyptics are slated to back them up. For some reason Christian fundamentalcases can't imagine the second coming of a pacifist with out a great war.

I say fuck them. If they can't in all their supposed superiority negotiate ther own peace perhaps they have littel desire for it.

Isreal didn't want Jesus the first time. Its bullshit to think they want him now and that the world will be a better place when a bunch of sand rat children of Abraham can't settle a family feud without getting the whole world involved in their petty squabble.

Skank:
"For some reason Christian fundamentalcases can't imagine the second coming of a pacifist with out a great war."

You might want to read Revelations again if you think Christ is returning as a pacifist.

Wasn't Iran slammed as a terrrrrrerrrrrrist state for doing the same thing?

You might want to read Revelations again if you think Christ is returning as a pacifist.

Anyone who attributes any credibility to Revelations is an idiot.

In fact, a person's opinion on Revelations is an excellent litmus test for sanity.

There's a document that's been around for 30 some odd years but is just gaining headlines right now. It is called the Gospel of Judas, and if verified, may dispel the very notion that the death of Christ was the fault of the Jews. It could very well mean that it was a Jew who understood Christ better than all others, and it could only be through an act that would become so despised by others for millenia to follow that he would follow Christ's word. Don't get me wrong - I'm not religious at all, but I don't think it's fair in light of this new finding to continue blaming Jews for the death of Christ.

I'm thinking it's another work of historical fiction, kind of like the first four books of the New Testament.

Or the Shroud of Turin.

errrr...actually CalifChris it was not Israel who blew up a bunch of women and children on the beach - it was a Hamas landmine that killed those people. Its the Palestinian PM that has forgotten something and its Hamas that is itching for a war. You shouldn't jump to blame Israel so quickly !

"Revelations is an excellent litmus test for sanity."

Blessed are they who believe without evidence, for they are called gullible and shall make Pat Robertson rich.

maybe israel should sit back and wait to see what happens between hamas and abbas....they seem to be fighting a lot lately.....but it is no surprise to read here that ....1) israel is the real problem and 2) that christians are all gullible and that shit......and the left still cant understand why real america turns them down in most elections....

"did Israel's PM forget that his country just blew a bunch of women and children up on a beach in Palestine?"

Hmmmm do you know something no one else seems to know. There's simply no evidence of this. But I know its always convenient and easy to just blame it on the Israelis.

And lets make sure we all understand that Israel is being bombarded by rockets on a daily basis and so I wonder what Michigan would have the Feds do if there were rockets being fired into detroit each and everyday by Canada ? Can you even imagine just sitting there and taking it.

In fact CHRIS, they still don't know if these explosions on the beach were from an errant Israeli shell ... that is certainly a possibility, or perhaps a bombmaking accident or even as has happened tghere before, one of these Palestninian events where they show off all their hardware - last time this happened, one of the "hardware" exploded and people were killed.
Also, many are wondering how it is that a TV cameraman just happened to have been on the scene as the so called "Israeli shell" just happened to hit. Finally, on the TV pictures there's no crater shown - how is that possible ?

So ... before you jump to conclusions, remember we're talking about an area where there's a low level civil war going on and people from many different groups are all shooting at eachother and so its more then possible that the Israeli shelling story is merely more PR - there's an investigation going on and Israel has asked the PA for particular information but so far the PA hasn't responded. Could it be they like the story just as it is - with many including you spreading around the rumour as if its already true?

"Well I grow tired of Isreal with all its tough talk because the US via Bushling and his throngs of premillineal dispensationalist apoclyptics are slated to back them up. For some reason Christian fundamentalcases can't imagine the second coming of a pacifist with out a great war. "

Sorry but this is patently absurd. The only thing the US does is tie the hands of Israel and keep them from doing what their own citizens are begging them to do which is to show a stronger response to the daily barrage of rorckets being fired into their cities.

Make no mistake, if the Palestinians would stop their militants from firing rockets, launching missiles into Israel, THERE WOULD BE NO ISRAELI RESPONSE.

Could it be they like the story just as it is - with many including you spreading around the rumour as if its already true?

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BL,

"maybe israel should sit back and wait to see what happens between hamas and abbas....they seem to be fighting a lot lately.....but it is no surprise to read here that ...."

Israeli citizens of the city of SDEROT where the Palestinian rockets are being fired into have been demanding that the Israeli government do something more to stop the rckets and missiles then just a show of force - they were demonstrating yesterday outside of the Defense Minister's home when sure enough a barrage of rockets came flying in over their heads ... Israel has no otrher choice but to protect their citizens and its apparent despite the idiots on this site that don't know any better, HAMAS SUPPORTS these militants and Abbas cannot stop them and so its left to ISrael to stop it - and although there will be all these claims and accusations because as can be clearly seen here, people don't bother to remember that Israel is basically being shelled everyday, they just believe Israel is attacking poor Palestinians for no reason - if the Palestinians would STOP attacking, STOP launching, STOP firing - there would be NO Israeli response.

We have learned today that GZ supports assasinations of palestinian leaders and GZ also supports state sponsored terrorism from Israel. GZ will even make up lies to cover for terrorist attacks committed by Israel. GZ nobody buys it any longer. Maybe you should step into the light and see the truth.

I do indeed support the targeted assasination of terrorists regardless of what they call themselves ... absolutely I do

No JACK ... Its only you and a few other loonies who are the only ones who seem to think a hug and a kiss and a rub on a terrorist belly will make him coo ...

The rest of us know better

Here's the so called "lies" JACKASS ... I know its freally hard tobelieve that a bunch of terrorists sworn to destroy Israel would ever do such a thing but there it is ...


"An Israel Defense Forces committee investigating the deaths of seven Palestinians at a Gaza beach last Friday is close to concluding that the IDF was not responsible.

The committee, headed by Major General Meir Klifi, is due to present its findings to the defense minister and the chief of staff tonight. Its tentative conclusion is that the deaths stemmed from a bomb that Hamas planted on the beach in order to ambush Israeli naval commandos operating in northern Gaza."

The rest of us know better

Posted by GZlives at 2006


I run the risk of upsetting you because of the origin of this phrase's popularity but here it goes..


mega dittos.....

and I await the post from the ASSMAN.....the one where he list the lies you have spread about this subject...and include all of the required information that would prove you were making it up.......I will not hold my breath as it will not be coming.....

In fact JACKASS not only do I support the target assasination of terrorists no matter what they call themselves, but if the rockets and missiles continue without the PA (Hamas) stopping them, then I support a full military incursion back into Gaza and the re occupation of a 5 or 10 mile ZONE to keep the militants far enough away so they can fire all the rockets they want without any reaching Israeli borders.

If the Palestinians want to play, then they have to be prepared to pay and that's all that's happening here. Israel withdrew, and all you leftists who scream "its the occupation its the occupation" now see that after Israel left, Gaza turned into a cesspool where militant groups kill eachother in broad daylight and no one can stop the violence. The first thing the Pals did after Israel left, was smuggle weapons from Egypt and destroy the greenhouses that the Israelis used to grow fruit and veggies that they would then sell - the Palestinians could have done this and maybe even create some sort of economy but instead they chose to destroy everything. Its not the occupation but too many thugs with nothing to do and no skills to do it, who pretend to be fighting for something when all they fight is their own boredom. And these thugs are destroying any sort of life for everyone else who happen to live there and don't have the resources to get the hell out.

Its really difficult to continue to be somewhat on the left when I see others who supposedly have similar leanings as I do, spew some of the most naive BS I've ever read not to mention how quick they all are to parrot the voice of Palestine as if everything these guys put out is true.

Do they know that the PA (Hamas) was in support of Zirqawi a guy who seemed to have no problems BEHEADING AMERICANS ???

Yes my leftist friends - your heroes in HAMAS SUPPORTED Zirqawi ... and they do support an Islamic form of government - which is why they will soon be tossed out by the Palestinian people who don't support this sort of thing.

You see how quickly Hamas wanted to break their ceasefire with Israel - this was merely to try and show the Pals that Hamas protected them - protected them from WHO?? Hamas was very quick to condemn Israel for something Hamas was guilty of but this is how it works over there. Everything that happens is blamed on Israel. The aassassinations in Lebanon are now being blamed on somke Israeli "spy network" and can you imagine the so called "spy" the Lebanese picked up was supposedly driving his own car when he supposedly aassassinated some Lebanese leader? This guy isn't an Israeli but more likely a Syrian operative or working for another ME country or group but Israel is the safest to blame everything on and our stupid naive leftwing picks up on this crap and helps spread it around.

Useful idiots - I wish you all would at least read the press from the ME - not just the Israeli press but the Turkish Press as well and even Al Jazeera so you get an idea of whats clearly being put out there thats total crap. The region is full of propaganda and what you see ain't usually what you see ...
Its just like the old "protection shakedown" routines where you made some poor sap pay so you didn't kick his ass. Hamas depsite the left's view of them, are the Pals worst enemy. They could have been a plus if they figured a way to moderate but they never could - amateurs who don't deserve to have a place at the table.

Anyway they will be gone shortly.

I don't know how you do it, GZ.

Day in and day out, tirelessly defending Israel and trying to keep perspective and facts straight.

It's LONELY job on a Leftie blog.


BTW - I copied my email onto the user blog you created yesterday - although I suspect you were already well aware of the information I was sharing.

GZ don't give up. The libs on this thread will go to Hell believing Israel is the lesser race. But there are some of us out here who are listening and agreeing with you. These nutjobs will never get it.

That's what you do. If the snake is preparing to strike, cut off it's head. Just like we just did in Iraq - another head cut off.

I would think this "threat" should be assumed by any leader who would send people to murder the citizens of another state.....

If you attack another country you should expect to be attacked. To the extent that you are the chief murderer, you are a target.

I don't understand the controversy.

"I don't know how you do it, GZ."

Either do I Jeff, but I can't help respond to what are so clearly the propaganda that so many here just embrace despite the fact that its coming from those who don't wish Americans very well.

Do my friends on the left miss Zirqawi? What did they honestly think of this man? Did they respect him? Did they think he was some sort of freedom fighter? Did they agree with his tactics ? And they must know (because he took full credit for it) that he was trying to foment civil war by killing other Muslims ... cold blooded killing ... and yet when those of Hamas who supported our mortal enemies (if you believe a guy like Zirqawi was in fact our mortal enemy) assert how much they support ed Zirqawi - my leftwing friends don't seem to find believing Hamas to be anything unusual.

Even this story - that some Israeli MK "threatened" the Palestinian PM who is sworn to Israel's destruction and stands for the most vile Anti Semitic crap since Adolf Hitler - just read the Hamas charter - is no story at all. Hamas threatens all Isrealis everyday ... what on earth is the story here?

I had posted on my user blog how yesterday Fatah lit the Palestinian Parliament building on fire ... I thought that was the story ? Guess not.

I would think another important story is that the reports yesterday of an Israeli shell killing Palestinians on a Gaza beach turns out to be a landmine that Hamas had planted on the beach but is that a story here ? Nope ...

Exactly SULLY

Personnaly, I equate the struggle in Israel's neck of the woods to the US problem in Iraq. The locals are fighting a war of attrition against an invader to get their homeland back. I see no real difference. And on both sides, it is Muslims trying to get their home from Judeo-Christians. Home-made bombs vs. F-16's and homemade rockets vs. laser-guided bombs.

So, who is the real bad guy in these situations?

And another thing. Since when has it become taboo to say anything bad about Israel? If you say anything, even a small critisism of the Jews, suddenly you are labeled an Anti-Semite. So, if Jews systematically murder innocent women and children in retalliation for a suicide bomber, and I say something critical, I'm anti-semetic.

BS

Meanwhile, in the civilized world, the president of the Boca Raton, Terra-Vista Condo Association did not have to threaten self defense assasinations against leaders of neighboring bat-shit crazy jihadist factions.

The "Jewish State"continues to be among the least "safe" places in the world for Jews to live.

I see Jeff J. is now defending the Jewish terror state too, GZ.

"An Israel Defense Forces committee investigating the deaths of seven Palestinians at a Gaza beach last Friday is close to concluding that the IDF was not responsible.


That like republicans investigating republicans. Its going to biased and full of lies. A 3rd party like syria is needed to investigate.

GZ I know Propaganda when I see it, and far as I can see it's all coming from israel.

why is it news when isreal threatens someone the jews are threatened daily without anyone respondin
jasman

"And on both sides, it is Muslims trying to get their home from Judeo-Christians. Home-made bombs vs. F-16's and homemade rockets vs. laser-guided bombs."

So I assume then that you have a particular cut off regarding history since Judaism predates Islam by I believe at least a thousand years and that means you have it reversed MASTERCHEAT.

The Jews were there before the Arabs invaded and occupied which is exactly what they did.

I've asked many times here for any of you with an opinion like yours, to please tell me where these Arabs got this land you insist they owned ... but needless to say, not a single person can answer this question - but I will.

They stole this land from those who were there before them and in many instances that would be Jews who were run out by the Romans.

The "Wailing Wall" in East Jerusalem is part of the Jewish second temple so I don't think it was built by the Arabs do you? Therefore, there must have been Jews there right?

The Koran never mentions any of this land but the Bible mentions it again and again.

My point is, this land had always been Jewish. And even though some Arabs had been living there, most really didn't care veryu much about it one way or another and so most of the land was purchased from Arabs by Jews.

Perhaps it might interest you to know that that NO ONE WANTED THIS LAND ... it was barren and mostly desert and only after the Jews came, did there suddenly appear a people called Palestinians who also suddenly wanted the same land - up until 1948, these people had been called Syrian or Jordanian ...

"And another thing. Since when has it become taboo to say anything bad about Israel? If you say anything, even a small critisism of the Jews, suddenly you are labeled an Anti-Semite. So, if Jews systematically murder innocent women and children in retalliation for a suicide bomber, and I say something critical, I'm anti-semetic."

I guess you must have read this on a Palestinian web site or an anti semitic one because its not some tactic but perhaps someone actually made some slur against Jews - it does happen you know but this is the new line about "you always get called an anti semite if you criticize Israel" No you don't ... you get called it when you behave like an anti semite - if you make anti semtitic remarks I wouldn't hesitate to call you what you'd be sounding like and why would you even question that? Has anyone actually called you an anti semite ?
If so, what was it that you said?

For example JACKASS is an anti semite - he fully admits it. Why do I say this? Because Jackass makes remarks like "No Jewish American has ever contributed anything to America" ... aside from being untrue, do you consider this an anti semitic remark when someone paints with such a brush as broad as Jackass did when he made that statement? Do you feel its unfair to call Jackass an anti semite for saying this? Regardless of your answer, I certainly don't.

Unless you can show me where you were ever called an anti semite what I can accuse you of is advancing a lie.

I certainly have never called you an anti semite nor do I see you behaving like an anti semite so where's the beef MASTERCHEAT ?

I challenge you to instead of describing something you believe is happenin to sharee with us about when it happened to you?

"So, if Jews systematically murder innocent women and children in retalliation for a suicide bomber, and I say something critical, I'm anti-semetic."

This above isn't so much anti semtic as it is a blatant LIE ! So perhaps you aren't an anti semite but if you stand behind a statement like you made, I'd just accuse you of being a liar.

"I see Jeff J. is now defending the Jewish terror state too, GZ."

Where is this fantasy Jewish terror State of yours ? I'm not familiar with it. Someplace near your holiday vacation land of Gaza perhaps ... or maybe that wonderful resort called the West Bank - I heard you 're planning to holiday there ITSME

NEWJASMAN

"why is it news when isreal threatens someone the jews are threatened daily without anyone respondin"

Of course I'm not allowed to ever bring up the possibility that someone actually hates Jews but you have to wonder why the double standard ALL THE TIME.

I mean the PM is HAMAS ... an organization swearing to kill NOT ISRAELIS BUT JEWS ... and this makes them ANTI SEMITES. What's the difference between Adolf Hitler and Hamas ? The Israeli defense Force, the Israeli Air Force and the Israeli Navy and thats it.

So although I'm not allowed to dare accuse anyone of being an anti semite (yeah right) this entire story is a non story and the reverse goes on like you said NJ, every single day of the year.

JACKASS .. you have no credibility with this subject because you've already admitted you hate all Jews ... so whatever you say is basically worthless now since its all thru your Jew hating filter ... who cares what you think or I should say, I already know what you think no matter what the facts are.

And by the way, maybe you ought to consider relocating to one of those Jew hating places where you'd feel comfortable like Syria for example. Great Falafel there by the way ...

I think I've answered all the friends of Zirqawi now ... hey guys don't lose your heads over this subject - know what I mean?

So ... before you jump to conclusions, remember we're talking about an area where there's a low level civil war going on and people from many different groups are all shooting at eachother and so its more then possible that the Israeli shelling story is merely more PR - there's an investigation going on and Israel has asked the PA for particular information but so far the PA hasn't responded. Could it be they like the story just as it is - with many including you spreading around the rumour as if its already true?""


GZ, this is light humor, not meant to insult, but Jews are known for making the right investments. Why in G-d's name () would they decide on this scrap of dirt? Wouldnt you say this was a bad move?

Who's got the jets, bombs, missiles, infinite financial support? Whose got a nuclear cache that remains a mystery to most? Israel. What they are in sad need of is moral justification for the crap they pull day in, day out. Then they wonder why they get attacked? Why their acts are seen as provocation? pu-lease.

BTW GZ, you've tagged me anti-semite in the past when I've brought arguments against israeli behavior in a straightforward way. It's rather amusing to see you skate around with mastercheat. Naw, not amusing, rather pathetic.

"Why in G-d's name () would they decide on this scrap of dirt? Wouldnt you say this was a bad move?"

I'm a secular Jew - I don't much believe in organized religion but even a kid growing up every holiday there's always something thats said from some text that states "Next year in Jerusalem" - this was the Jewish historical homeland going back to King David. This is where there wall is where all the Jews come to pray, it wasn't a decision at all but a fact of Jewish life.

And remember the land was a barren desert where you could hardly grow anything ... but this this was a Jewish land so there it is.

Personally, I would have preferred someplace like The Virgin Islands or Maui

You could have moved the freaking temple to miami a thousand times over for all the money defending a baren patch of desert has cost.

Terrible decision making . . . Next time tell the brits to shove their "strategic" scrap of wasteland up their arse. It should have been east germany.

Is there even any Oil under the israeli desert? You could throw a hand grenade in almost any direction and hit the worlds largest oil reserves, but the Brits chose to give you this tiny piece of land with Mediterranian and Red Sea ports but no oil . . .

Leadbelly is right. it was a desert, and the land that was sold from Arab absentee-landlords to Jews (that they now want back-- lol!) no one wanted until Jews started growing "grapefruits the size of basketballs" in Dennis Miller's words. Then, they all wanted it. The Jews defend themselves against terrorism and everyone hates em. I don't get it.

"
Following Palestinian claims and the media reports of Israeli culpability in deaths on a Gaza beach, the real story emerges...
It is now becoming clear that, despite the claims of the Palestinians, the deaths of seven Palestinian civilians on a beach in Gaza on 9 June were not caused by the IDF. Investigations by the IDF and others over the past few days have revealed new evidence that a Hamas mine was in fact the cause of the beach blast:
1) Shrapnel removed from two of the wounded Palestinians evacuated to Israeli hospitals was not from Israeli-made ordinance.
2) No large crater was evident on the beach as would be expected from the impact of an artillery shell landing from above. The blast site would suggest the likelihood of a mine exploding from below the sand rather than above.
3) The IDF fired six shells towards the Gaza area, one of which remained unaccounted for. All of the shells were fired, however, more than 10 minutes before the blast that killed the Palestinians.
It is now increasingly likely, that in true "Pallywood" fashion, as seen in the Mohammed Al-Dura case and the Jenin "massacre" libel, the Palestinians have attempted another cover-up in order to smear Israel:
1) Palestinian Television broadcast doctored scenes showing file footage of Israeli naval vessels shelling Gaza, interspersed with video of the beach victims, despite the fact that the Israeli Navy was not responsible for any shelling at the time.
2) Suspicions were initially raised by the Palestinian refusal to cooperate with Israeli investigators and the remarkably swift cleansing of evidence from the blast scene by Hamas gunmen who arrived shortly after the incident. Palestinian spokespeople usually display parts of Israeli shells to the international media - but not this time.
3) Israeli intelligence suggests that Hamas had mined the beach area."

So tell me GZ. Who came up with that conclusion? If it was the Israelis, it has no credibility - at least to us non-zionists.

"So tell me GZ. Who came up with that conclusion? If it was the Israelis, it has no credibility - at least to us non-zionists."

Why of course Ray ... we all already know you and your ilk only believe Islamic terrorists because after all THEY ALWAYS tell the truth.

Jenin was a massacre ... NOT
Gaza was a massacre ... NOT

And would you care to tell me which so called "Zionist" lies that were put out there?

Of course you can't ... since its all something out of your very biased imagination.

I know .. why don't you ask JACKASS for his opinion ... lololol

And RAY ... its called evidence. Evidence that came from a Paletinian TV cameraman who just happened to be there - but his pictures show NO crater hmmmmm
Evidence from the shrapnel taken out of the wounded who were brought to Israeli hospitals ...

Now think about it - you would deny evidence from people because they are what Ray ? Jews?
Are you suggesting that ALL JEWS ARE LIARS? If you are you're sounding an awful lot like JACKASS know what I mean?

GZ, now you know better that I would not say ALL Jews are liars. But I would say that the Israeli government is particularly notorious for it. To show that I am not prejudice, our own Christian government is just as bad. Actually, I prefer to believe that ALL politicians are liars. I'm rarely wrong.

I've seen this scene play before. When there is some kind of a truce, the Israelis will do something to provoke the Palestinians. The Israelis don't want peace any more than the Palestinians.

Israelis (government) don't want peace any more than the Palestinians.

That's a possibilty any honest observer has to consider. Every government is accountable to economic interests. In every nation there are economic interests that benefit from conflict. I don't see why the Israeli government should be considered immune from this ill.

There's a good deal of land at stake here. It doesn't have to be about the Israelis wanting to oppress or exterminate Palestinians. This could just be about old fashioned greed.