At issue is whether the Bush administration has violated an international ban on torture and abuse of prisoners in the war on terror.

Bush can't explain away the fact that our CIA flew prisoners to other countries to "help" us with "interrogation." If Bush is found guilty of knowing and approving of these torture techniques -- he knew and he approved -- then he can be tried as a war criminal, right?

Time to declare war on the UN.

If you aren't with us, you are against us, right Republifundies?

China is a member of this committe...China investigating others for torture...

you just cant make this stuff up

Has anyone noticed that CHEKA sounds exactly like bushlovertwo? Totally inane comments along with a total lack of spelling aptitude and overuse of ellipsis?
CHEKA/blt2 you have no credibility!
BWAhaahaahaa!!

oh wow woe....did you have to think long and hard for that sharp retort?....and ill be darned if i can find a mention of any party in my post,,,

China is a member of this committe...China investigating others for torture...

you just cant make this stuff up

hmmm..well you can read it again...and hmmm,,,no mention of any party or any reference to the US at all....what an imaginative world you live woe....

oh wow woe....did you have to think long and hard for that sharp retort?....

Actually BLT2 it took me about two seconds HAAHAAHaahaahaahaahaa

The U.N....

Yea,

They really have our interests at heart. We can expect fair treatment from them, cant we? LOL....

The U.N. is a joke. They care nothing about us except our money and how much "support" we are going to give them. I say kick them out of NY and send them to africa and see how helpful they will be...

two seconds...sounds about right...such ignorance usually doesnt take long to come up with...

two seconds...sounds about right
Posted by cheka at 2006-05-07 09:56 PM | Reply
Thanks, I accept your apology. Hahahahahaha!

CHEKA/blt2;
You make this so easy! hahahahahahahaha

BL2 is a reconquista???!!! hahahahahahaha

Im still waiting for woe to make a cogent comment on the topic,,,but alas,,,I doubt that will happen,,,for woe needs to have a cogent thought before a cogent comment will appear,,,,

Califchris,
Blt2/cheka may be a reconquista, maybe not. All I know is he is a shithead!

Let me spell it out for you cheeka/blt you are a shit___head. That means your head and probably the rest of your body is full of animal excrement. Enjoy the rest of your miserable existence.

The surest way to lose the war on terror is to stoop to terrorist tactics. The incompetent, greedy, shortsighted BushCo fuckwads could fuck up an anvil.

The UN? Isn't that the organization whose staff likes to sexually abuse war refugees in the Congo? You'd think they'd be all tied up scrutinzing themselves.

The United States treats its prisoners better than 99% of the rest world treats theirs, and including military prisons!

Efforts of the UN, some of whose members come from countries that amputate heads and hands for crimes, is ludicrous in trying to make the US into another Iraq, under Saddam!

You Leftist, terrorist supporting cowards who are attempting to discredit the US, and our military, with articles like this one and muckraking efforts while we are at war, are DESPICABLE un-American subversives! All you are interested in is political power for your GANG!

Disgusting poltroons of the People's Progressive Party/Democrats . . .

Tadowe, your statements are despicable. Sadistic people like you are the scourge of the Human race. You blatantly promote torture of other human beings. Your bloodlust has shamed us all.

You are evil. I ashamed that you call yourself an american. Those americans like you who drool over the beatings, rapes and abject humiliation of those at the hands of our troops are animals. War criminals all.

A Cynic says, "Tadowe, your statements are despicable. Sadistic people like you are the scourge of the Human race. You blatantly promote torture of other human beings. Your bloodlust has shamed us all."

I'm a "[s]adistic people" and "the scourge of the Human race," I am someone who "promote[s] torture" and my "bloodlust" has shamed everyone, eh?

This sounds more like wishful thinking than anything a *real* cynic would express!

"You are evil. I ashamed that you call yourself an american. Those americans like you who drool over the beatings, rapes and abject humiliation of those at the hands of our troops are animals. War criminals all."

Let me guess. . . you're a Democrat?

One thing, though, is certain: You are stupid . . .

Tad, you do the 'angry rant' almost as well as I do............bravo! Keep up the good werk......

No Tadowe, I am veteran. USAF 85-90, AFSC 64570, went from Lackland to Lowry to Hellenikon to Malmstrom.

This issue matters to me for very personal reasons.

I usually come here for a laugh. I find the partisans for the democrats and republicans equally ridiculous. However, this is niether a republican or democratic issue, it a human issue. Humans abhor torture, animals like you revel in it.

another right wing circle jerk.

I guess you guys gotta give each other some lovin'... nobody else will...

ZitGush: Oh Taddie, I love you! You are so manly...
Tadowe: Zitty, your statements are so hard and powerful... please give me another fast and furious comment!
ZitGush: Oh, insult me!! Do me like BLT/CheckOut! Faster!

A Cynic says, "No Tadowe, I am veteran. USAF 85-90. . ."

So what? This is a rebuttal of my claim that you are stupid?

"This issue matters to me for very personal reasons."

I suppose those "reasons" are so secret that it requires you to issue libels and call me (personally) a scourage on humanity, sadistic, evil and with a shameful bloodlust . . . right?

"I usually come here for a laugh. I find the partisans for the democrats and republicans equally ridiculous."

See!? You are a stupid, elitist prick -- far superior to anyone who might post, here (except for yourself, of course!)

"However, this is niether a republican or democratic issue, it a human issue. Humans abhor torture, animals like you revel in it."

More stupidity from someone who hasn't the objectivity to notice that they are a bald faced liar! You don't know me, or anything about me, but you feel free to libel me, in public . . . ?

And, why? Because I insulted the Left!!!

. . . and you're not a Democrat?

Blatant LIAR! (as well as about as smart as congealing cement)

This administration needs some serious adult supervision.

"The United States treats its prisoners better than 99% of the rest world treats theirs, and including military prisons!"

That's a brash statement to make with no data, and knowing that we will never find out exactly how many people were victims of "rendition" in the last five years.

And, thank you, TADOWE, I needed to be reminded how much I hate America. I didn't even know I hated America until you Coulter sheep started bleating "One republican goood, two democrats baaaad." Let me get this straight: When we expose illegal activities and hypocrisy in our government, the terrorists win! Gee, I feel safer already!

"The United States treats its prisoners better than 99% of the rest world treats theirs, and including military prisons!"

You have any credible documentation that supports the statement, Tadowe? I don't know if it's true or not true, but the fact that you present that information as "true" indicates you need some aging before you engage in discourse with the adult population.

Ahab asks, "You have any credible documentation that supports the statement, Tadowe? I don't know if it's true or not true . . . "

It is my opinion. If you have a different one, then post it and quit trying to make me the subject.

" . . . but the fact that you present that information as "true" indicates you need some aging before you engage in discourse with the adult population."

Look who is talking! You make me your subject of discussion and completely fail to state your own opinion as to whatever reality you consider valid, but feel you can patronize my commentary?

Do you think the United States treats its prisoners less humanely than what country, Ahab? Come on, state your opinion as to just how vicious and mean the US happens to be . . . why not?

Gutless wonder . . .

In fuure, Tadowe, when you voice an opinion it would help you look like less of a dumbass if you framed it that way. Example: "I believe..." or "In my view..." or "In my opinion..." When you make a statement and insert a number, someone less vigilant of the truth might actually believe there's something other than your opinion that supports the statement. I'm sorry to find an attempt to clarify matters "patronizing," but it's probably not pleasant getting caught making unsubstantiated statements (which cannot be substantiated) as if they were fact. Talk about gutless wonders. Keep spinning, Tadly, like a sad little dervish. Whirl, baby, whirl.

AS America continues it's downward spiral of submission to the UN, liberals applaud, never taking the time to think who will be the first to be oppressed under the UN one world dictatorship.

Pathetic....

Ahab says, "In fuure, Tadowe, when you voice an opinion it would help you look like less of a dumbass if you framed it that way."

Unreal!

You Leftist creeps can't do anything else but make me your subject of conversation!

Here, some advise, disabuse yourself of the idea that you can patronize my commentary -- I'll say what I have to say in any way I choose to say it . . .

Got that?

"The United States treats its prisoners better than 99% of the rest world treats theirs, and including military prisons!...You Leftist, terrorist supporting cowards who are attempting to discredit the US, and our military, with articles like this one and muckraking efforts while we are at war, are DESPICABLE un-American subversives! All you are interested in is political power for your GANG!...Disgusting poltroons of the People's Progressive Party/Democrats . . .Let me guess. . . you're a Democrat?...One thing, though, is certain: You are stupid . . .See!? You are a stupid, elitist prick"

Q.E.D.

I'm mystified why little sad sacks like Tadowe react so vociferously to investigations of US interrogation tactics. If there's nothing to hide, what's the problem? If we treat our prisoners better than---what did he say? 99% of the rest of the world?---then let's get the proof and circulate the glad tidings.

Doc Sarvis wonders, "I'm mystified why little sad sacks like Tadowe react so vociferously to investigations of US interrogation tactics."

I'm confused over why the Leftist subversives insist on making me their subject for discussion! Flattered -- sure! But, still wondering at the stupidity of those supposed "Liberals."

"If there's nothing to hide, what's the problem? If we treat our prisoners better than---what did he say? 99% of the rest of the world?---then let's get the proof and circulate the glad tidings."

What is there to hide? The Pentagon notified the world two months before the press and Democrats decided to make it their Subversion-Du-Jour: that the US military, and this administration, along with Republicans and conservatives sponsors and supports the torture of prisoners!

That is one of the biggest, flat-out LIES told by Democrats and told over-and-over, daily for the last two years!!!

However, the Leftist subversives are still insisting that anyone who disagrees that the US military are torturers supports and condones (even delights in) torture!

Come on -- I love it! Make me your subject of conversations! Show the world that you are exactly the lying, traitorous little shits you actually are!!!

. . .and all for your party, your gang, your progressive people's party of socialist dreamers and hysterical attack artists . . .

I see both sides of the equation here.

It's important for us to keep in mind that we're not the only country in the world.

It's important for the other countries to have a set of balls when confronting us. Don't like what we're doing? Propose real consequences like trade embargos or STFU

Technically yes, he could be tried for "crimes against humanity" as we have signed onto the UN Charter - however, the loophole is that we have a waiver against any tribunals.

I'm mystified why little sad sacks like Tadowe react so vociferously to investigations of US interrogation tactics. If there's nothing to hide, what's the problem?

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THAT'S EXACTLY THE WAY I FEEL!! Seriously!! If there's nothing to hide, why are the libs so uptight about the NSA spying on international phone calls? If there's nothing to hide, what's the problem with investigators finding out what books are being checked out of the library? If there's nothing to hide, why do the libs get so upset with the FBI monitoring "peace" and "environmental" groups?

Investigate away, everybody!! Let the UN do their thing, and let the FBI, NSA, and CIA do theirs!

I never, in my wildest imaginings, thought there would ever come a time when MY country would be investigated for torture. This is a tragic time for the United States of America....
"Give me your tired, your poor. Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." That is the country I grew up in. Sad, sad, sad.

Dawnglow glimmers, "I never, in my wildest imaginings, thought there would ever come a time when MY country would be investigated for torture. This is a tragic time for the United States of America...."

I can investigate Dawnglow for torture -- and what does that mean, eh? Are you guilty, Dawnglow? Should everyone be ashamed that you are under investigation, Miss Priss?

Hoist on your own partisan petard, and the dried-up crocadile tears

I think whether the UN can be fair on this depends largely on who's driving the investigation within the UN. The UN is a tool used by many people with varying motives.

What I know for sure is that the current US government is not going to care what the UN says about this.

Please stop, Dawnglo--the tears are stinging my cheeks.

Indeed, the international operation in Bunia, home to about 16,000 refugees, threatens to become another monument to U.N. paralysis and failure. Investigators describe a "significant, widespread and ongoing" pattern of abuse at the camp--an astonishing conclusion given that many women are afraid to report sexual violence against them

What is the difference between the UN investigating the US for torture and the US government's warrantless wiretaps on US citizens? Those who approve of the warantless wiretaps on the basis of "if you have nothing to hide then what is the problem" should not object to this investigation. Personally, I find the very idea that the United States government, in the name of all US citizens, could be implicated in even the most distant way with torture of other human beings repugnant in the extreme. I still remember the lessons of the Nuremburg Trials. We had the moral high ground then. Where are we today? Lumped in with inhuman regimes like China, for heavens sake. How far we have fallen in so short a time.

Dawn,

Investigations by themselves don't mean shit. For the most part, detainees are treated very well by US captors. Hell, you could personally accuse me of rape (even though I've never met you, much less touched you). Does this accusation and subsequent investigation into such make me a rapist?

The UN? Isn't that the organization whose staff likes to sexually abuse war refugees in the Congo? You'd think they'd be all tied up scrutinzing themselves.

Posted by JOE at 2006-05-08 12:37 AM | Reply

You know the UN staff isn't made up of some namless countryless individuals you know. That UN Staff could of very well been Soldiers of the USA on loan to the UN.

"AS America continues it's downward spiral of submission to the UN, liberals applaud, never taking the time to think who will be the first to be oppressed under the UN one world dictatorship.

Pathetic....

Posted by dirtman580e at 2006-05-08 08:59 AM"

AMEN BROTHER

The United States treats its prisoners better than 99% of the rest world treats theirs, and including military prisons!

Efforts of the UN, some of whose members come from countries that amputate heads and hands for crimes, is ludicrous in trying to make the US into another Iraq, under Saddam!

You Leftist, terrorist supporting cowards who are attempting to discredit the US, and our military, with articles like this one and muckraking efforts while we are at war, are DESPICABLE un-American subversives! All you are interested in is political power for your GANG!

Disgusting poltroons of the People's Progressive Party/Democrats . . .

Posted by tadowe at 2006-05-08 03:08 AM | Reply

Not true, nearly every member of the EU treates they're prisoners better than we do, some asian countries treat they're prisoners better than we do. We rank right up there with south american countries in terms of prison systems. And we are the world leader in prison rape and executions, not to mention imprisonment in general.

We should be leading by example on this, not just looking around to make sure we aren't abusing our prisonsers worse than everyone else.

"AS America continues it's downward spiral of submission to the UN, liberals applaud, never taking the time to think who will be the first to be oppressed under the UN one world dictatorship.

Pathetic....

Posted by dirtman580e at 2006-05-08 08:59 AM"

AMEN BROTHER

Posted by VRWC at 2006-05-08 03:47 PM | Reply

Downward sprial of submission? Living in a fucking cave for the last 6 years have we?

Well if during the investigation, we find a 10 year old girl with her panties down, her vagina bleeding, and your cum all over her lips I think we just might be able to make that accusation stick.

And if your investigation turns up squat.....

"....under the UN one world dictatorship."

Bwwwwahahahaha!!!

Not true, nearly every member of the EU treates they're prisoners better than we do, some asian countries treat they're prisoners better than we do.

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You are absolutely insane. Try googling conditions in French or Italian prisons. Or Belgian. Or Russian. The Scandinavian countries have a very relaxed prison system, but God help you if you're on the Continent. Never heard the Turkish prison jokes?

"Never heard the Turkish prison jokes?"

Posted by rightisright at 2006-05-08 04:27 PM |

Worse than Mexican prison jokes.

Worse than Mexican prison jokes.

Posted by Zatoichi at 2006-05-08 04:35 PM | Reply

Did you see those Mexican jokes that somebody posted last week? I had heard most of them but a couple of them really cracked me up.

Fuck the UN. When they actually agree with what we do is when I'd start to worry.
They need to scrap that pile of shit and start over, this time with equal contributions and less child rape.

It's so amusing hearing Republifundies discuss world events. If you had asked them what Afghanistan was prior to 9/11, they would have said it was a piece of clothing.

If you had asked them to find Iraq on a world map, they would have pointed at China, or maybe somewhere in Antarctica. Of course, most of them can't even find the USA on a globe even today.

Ah, it's so funny listening to ignorant people putting on airs of knowing something, complete with their talk-radio injected talking points.

Knighthawk, you are truly a sick individual.

Well if during the investigation, we find a 10 year old girl with her panties down, her vagina bleeding, and your cum all over her lips I think we just might be able to make that accusation stick.

And if your investigation turns up squat.....

Posted by JeffJ at 2006-05-08 04:02 PM | Reply

With respect to the article they got alot more than squat. They got video's, pictures, witnesses. As for your child molestation trial, I haven't really been following that.

Knighthawk says, "Not true, nearly every member of the EU treates they're prisoners better than we do, some asian countries treat they're prisoners better than we do."

I only have direct experience with how prisoners are treated/maintained in Japan, Vietnam (South,) Thailand, Mexico, and in the US. However, I have been told that as far as treatment of military prisoners (enemy and our own) goes, the US is more like a "mommy" than it is a "guard."

Working with military counterparts from Australia, Korea (South), Great Britain and Thailand was a revelation and since they indicated that even their civilian prisons treated the prisoners with much more discipline than did US military POW or regular prisons. . .

Indeed, every country in the world has good and bad prisons, and generalized comparisons over national borders is a misdirection from the fact that the US is at least in the top 10% of favorable prison standards and treatment of prisoners -- I would guess top 1% because anyone visiting a Japanese prison (as enlightened and advanced as they are) is in for a shock!!!

Even British institutions are infamous for mistreatment, or at least "callous" treatment; as is all of the Commonwealth, even Canada!

Go sell your "I hate the United States" to someone else -- to more of your Leftist trash, you subversive twit!