Both parties know it's to late.

These Mexicans will remember, and they will vote. Will the Americans?

Go Latinos!

"Go Latinos!"

Yes, go.

The Tejanos kicked your butts at San Jacinto in 1836.

Go fix your own fucked-up country.

Better to take the time to do this right. Bipartisan comprehensive reform is the best course. This will protect our borders while also recognizing the humanity and contributions of undocumented workers and allowing them to earn citizenship if they choose. The result will be a stronger America.

Funny,

Why doesnt mexico TRY TO KEEP ITS CITIZENS IN IT'S OWN COUNTRY? Mexico doesnt even want them, why should we?

Oh Yeah Oh Yeah oh yeah do NOT Reward Illegal Behavior if You do You have just SPat upon those in this Country who believe the Rule of Law is a Very Founding Principle to this Great Country. Deport Illegals and Yes those who Hire them at once Post Haste. Do not pass go do NOT Collect 200 dollars. You have forfeited Your right to declare Yourself a Pro AMerican when You Hire Illegals.

Larry

We do agree on that Larry. These businesses need to be prosecuted if they hire these law breakers. If this was stopped, that would break the tide anyway..

This was, in my judgement, the single thing the Republifundies did in over 6 years which took any guts. And, in typical fashion, they are going to be failures.

I'm guessing the end result will accomplish nothing, and just end up being another huge handout of government money to special interest groups. Like, say, their energy "plan", their prescription drug "plan", and their social security "reform".

GOP: America's Bridge to Nowhere.
Go Republifundies!

PS: I liked my original title- "RepubliCongress produces more failure"

Does anybody in DC know what being a US citizen is? or care?
Apparently not.

I need to look at this more closely. If the Republicans were trying to add on to this bill more pork, then I will say that they are to blame. I wish we could pass some type of amendment that says the can be no tack on's on the end of bills.

If they can just get this NAFTA thing passed, Mexico's poor will finally climb into the middle class and begin to buy ISO containers full of proudly 'made in the USA' consumer goods. Mexico's citizens will stay at home and 'fix their own house' rather than evacuating northward in search of a living wage. As soon as NAFTA is finally adopted and placed into full effect we'll all be on the glory road to riches and freedom, together.

Or not.

Inexpensive, imported Mexican labor will make us all rich.

Exporting those once expensive American jobs will make us all rich. The sooner everyone is making less, the wealthier we'll all be.

Less is More
Poverty is Wealth
War is Peace
Ignorance is Strength
Slavery is Freedom

"These businesses need to be prosecuted if they hire these law breakers. If this was stopped, that would break the tide anyway.."

That's right. Dry up the demand. A far more effective approach than trying to seal the border.

Orwell the prophet.

"... businesses need to be prosecuted ..."

But ... they're the Republican base.

Does pose a problem, doesn't it.

BillO,

"These businesses need to be prosecuted if they hire these law breakers. If this was stopped, that would break the tide anyway.."

I think we need to be a bit cautious here. I wouldn't want to prosecute a business that *unknowingly* hired an illegal.

Don't worry- the Republicans always have a solution. They are, after all, "the party of ideas".

They will just pass a bill which accomplishes nothing, and maybe they give a little slice of the Bush Boom over to the owners of sweat shops, the farming industry, and large Southern construction companies. And maybe get a bridge started connecting Hawaii to the moon.

If we start executing illegals watch how fast they leave the country

I think we need to be a bit cautious here. I wouldn't want to prosecute a business that *unknowingly* hired an illegal.

Posted by jeffj at 2006-04-08 02:13 AM

I agree. Heaven forbid we prosecute people who (whoopsie!) accidentally hired undocumented citizens.

Maybe that subsidy check with Tom DeLay's smiling face on it will make it all better.

Justsome,

I was speaking to situations where illegals present very real-looking forged credentials.

Problem is, Jeff, every business would just say they didn't know they were hiring illegals. But you don't have to prosecute everyone. Just prosecute the obvious abusers, and jail the employers or put them out of business, where you have an open and shut case, and put a little fear into other employers.

Hey, if we can break the back of the mafia, this should be easy. It's just a matter of political will.

BillO,

I hear what you are saying.

It's just a matter of political will.

Therein lies the problem. An utter lack of political will to properly deal with this problem. Both parties see 'softness' on this issue as a means of 'buying' the Hispanic vote. Pathetic.


Anyways, bed-ways is right-ways about now.

I enjoyed the discussion tonight, Bill.


Until next time.......

IN MEXICO --

Illegal aliens in Mexico are charged with being felons and get 2 years in jail;

Foreigners are not allowed to participate in ANY political discourse -- no protests, no flags of any country but Mexico's, no butting in on Mexico's politics or lobbying, absolutely nothing; foreigners must keep their mouths shut and their opinions to themselves;

A foreigner in Mexico cannot own any land closer to the coastline than 50 miles. Any foreigner living within 50 miles of the coast must lease only;

Mexico puts ITS ARMY on its southern border;

No government job can go to any foreigner, only Mexicans

ANY J0B offered in Mexico, MUST BY LAW, be given first and foremost to a Mexican before giving it to any foreigner

So the next time that arrogant slob Vincente Fox gets in America's face about our immigration policy and what we should and shouldn't do for Mexicans and illegal aliens from Mexico, tell him we will follow MEXICO'S RULES when it comes to how we treat illegal aliens from other countries

Remember the traitors who wanted to destroy our country and millions of American jobs with this traitorous bill and who refused any request to provide for border protection first before their amnesty guestworker program and VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE IN NOVEMBER --

TRAITORS: Senators McCain, Kennedy, Arlen Spector, Lindsey Graham, Chuck Hagle, Feinstein, Menendez (and I'll have to look up the others)

Did any of you know that Senator Spector tried to sneak in a provision in his 500-page bill that would DOUBLE the number of H1-B Visas and increase that number by 20% for every year afterward? These visas bring in foreign worker to take American middle class jobs and undercut American wages by $13,000 a year.

VOTE THESE SENATORS OUT OF OFFICE.

Chris,

Very good point dude. You and I probably differ politically on every issue ever discussed on this site, but this time we are dead on.

At the end of the day, we are all Americans. This fact is why we are such a strong country. This issue has been bastardized by so many people in elected office that it is ridiculous.

The problem is simply that we are not doing enough to keep people from entering this country illegally. I really don't care about the 11+ million illegals already here. If you want to let them stay, good, if you want to kick them out, better, but we have to prevent 11 million more from coming in. We are already dealing with these 11M; let's not wait till we have 22M or 122M.

It is a huge political hot potato for the politicians on all sides. Why not just put it to the people? The politicians can wash their hands of it and just let the people decide. I am confident that if this was put on a ballot and every voter could vote on it that we would have a huge armed wall and there would be 11M less people in the US.

Start a "Let the People Decide" campaign. (and vote out all the aforementioned senators)

Cheers,
Walt

Hey...good morning Walt!

How's things?

"Start a "Let the People Decide" campaign"

I love this idea!

Hi Lisa, not much new, just planning a vacation. Thinking of hitting the Maldives this time. You?

Oh yeah, that and fuming over this "illegal" issue.

-Walt

Immigrants here illegally can't vote. Hispanic voters are legal American citizens. So why is it just assumed that being soft on illegal aliens would lose the Hispanic vote? Their jobs and standard of living are being lost too. It would make more sense on many levels for them to be against illegal immigration just as much as the rest of us. Has a poll ever been taken? They might even say one thing and vote another in this politically correct age.

Walt:

Have a great time on vacation.

We're just moving my ex and children out of the house before it closes on Wed....so after this...I could use a vacation!!

Blue,

I saw, on Fox I think, an interview with 2 Hispanics neither of which supported amnesty for illegal aliens. Shamnesty for illegal criminals would be a slap in the face to anyone that has ever done it legally including large numbers of Hispanics that got a green card to join the Army so they could get citizenship.

In Iraq, occasionally there are presentations during which immigrants serving in the military overseas are officially granted their citizenship.

These guys did it the right way, and risked their lives in Iraq for it. Some people want to hand out US passports like candy and it is just wrong.

Stop the madness; let each one of us that are legal, vote on it.

Cheers,
Walt

Mexico's immigration rules make sense for Mexico. Try getting across THEIR southern border or getting an H1-B visa THERE.. It's pretty stupid to blame Mexico for having a system that works for them while not fixing our own system to work for us.

Walt:

Wow...It IS beautiful there! No wonder you want to go!

No time for a vacation yet. Lot's of things to do when you relocate.

Blue,

I don't blame Mexico at all, this problem is entirely our own and we have to fix it ourselves.

Every country has rules and enforces them, I think we should too.

-Walt

Lisa,

Check out the underwater restaurant.

No time for vacation? You sound like an American! Make the time, you deserve it.

I didn't see that before...OMG, it's awesome!!!

We are actually planning on going to GA for my nephew's graduation in May.

Not nearly as exotic, but time spent with family is always enjoyable!!

Well that is good then, any break is good. Besides, it takes about 30 hours to get there. Where about in GA? I used to live in Stone Mountain.

What do you think about the illegals Lisa? Should we deport them? Should we build a wall? Should we give them shamnesty? Do nothing?

-Walt

Walt:

My brother lives in Macon, GA. He was in the Air Force stationed there and after his duty was over, he rooted there.

What do I think about illegals?

I think everyone is entitled to find a better life for themselves. Those who do so legally are more than welcome.

Some here have shared horror stories about illegals...which, I have never experienced so it was definately an eye opener for me.

Obviously, something needs to be done. Stricter penalties for employers who hire them don't help because the laws in effect now aren't being enforced as well as they should.

A Wall? That's Oz's suggestion. Hire these illegals, give them three meals and a cot and let them build the damn thing, then kick them out.

Blue,

That is a good article.

"Even illegal immigrants who enter the forces under false pretenses have a chance at legal residency if they see combat."

I fully support this practice. Many Canadians earn their citizenship this way as well. I also knew a guy from Haiti that did it too. I don't think one should be required to "see combat" either. If they serve their tour honorably, give them the passport.

I am 100% FOR legal immigration, and I think if one chooses to serve in the military as a way to get a blue passport then they truly deserve it. It is a shame to me that the sacrifices they made to get where they are could be given to people who have done nothing to earn a citizenship.

As always, it was nice chatting with you Walt, but I've got to crawl back into bed for a little more shut eye. We have a long day ahead of us.

Stay safe.

... Hire these illegals, give them three meals and a cot and let them build the damn thing, then kick them out.

That is funny; a buddy of mine said the same thing at lunch. I love it.

I also agree with you that everyone should try to find a better life. I will try to "One-Up" you by saying that everyone should try to help everyone else find a better life.

I would welcome any honest person from anywhere into the US, but like you said, they should do so legally.

-Walt

You too, have a good one.

-Walt

As always, it was nice chatting with you Walt, but I've got to crawl back into bed for a little more shut eye. We have a long day ahead of us.

Stay safe.


Posted by Lisa at 2006-04-08 06:52 AM | Reply



SHit She is even begining to sound like a Missourian

but I've got to crawl back into bed for a little more shut eye. She sure acclimated to the Language "Lexicon" in a Hurry LOL

Larry

Larry,

What do you think about this? I think it is such a huge deal. Am I wrong, is this NOT that important?

Cheers,
Walt

Walt I will repost it since You missed it.

Oh Yeah Oh Yeah oh yeah do NOT Reward Illegal Behavior if You do You have just SPat upon those in this Country who believe the Rule of Law is a Very Founding Principle to this Great Country. Deport Illegals and Yes those who Hire them at once Post Haste. Do not pass go do NOT Collect 200 dollars. You have forfeited Your right to declare Yourself a Pro AMerican when You Hire Illegals.

Larry

Posted by LarryMohr at 2006-04-07 10:42 PM | Reply


Larry

Thanks Larry, I did miss that, my bad.

"You have forfeited Your right to declare Yourself a Pro AMerican when You Hire Illegals."

Couldn't agree more.

-Walt

Does anybody in DC know what being a US citizen is?

Posted by Sinister_Loris at 2006-04-07 11:37 PM | Reply

Yes we have the obligation to pay Congresses inflated salaries along with gold benefit packages and best in the world retirement plan.

Hey how about this for an plan Mr. and Ms. Congressman....

1. Tie your salaries to average private sector wages. If they go down, so does yours. Your base pay will start at the national average.

2. Give up your cost of living inflation protection defined benefit pension and switch to a 401(k) plan with a 5% government match.

3. Provide only health care coverage on a single basis, if you want family coverage you have to pony up for it yourself.

4. Get rid of your government provided cars and instead submit mileage reports for reimbursement at the federal rate of .445 per mile.

How many of these scumbastards would "decide" to retire if these rules were implemented?

The problem with these fuckers in Washington is that they have no idea of what it is to be a "mythical" little guy.

1. Tie your salaries to average private sector wages. If they go down, so does yours. Your base pay will start at the national average.

You want the median, not the average. The average allows you to continue fucking the people at the bottom and filter the money to the top.

Walt

I don't blame Mexico at all, this problem is entirely our own and we have to fix it ourselves.

Every country has rules and enforces them, I think we should too.

I totally agree but it's hard when your leader is a total corporatist named "Presidente Jorge W. Bush" and he acts like a lap dog with no cojones every time he is in the presence of Mexico's Presidente Fox. Bush is a globalist who has made no pretense of wanting open borders (he pushed and got CAFTA and now wants the FTAA) which will bring in millions of the lowest paid, lowest educated workers from all over this continent into the U.S. There is NO WAY the U.S. can absorb millions of the lowest paid workers from the third world and we will collapse and turn into a third world country ourselves.

Check out this flag hung on a Los Angeles high school flagpole during last week's protests. The U.S. flag was dragged down, the Mexican flag hung up and the U.S. flag hung UPSIDE DOWN underneath it. Senator Inhoff even used this same picture as a display during his speech about the immigration bill on the senate floor last week. (And to think my tax money goes to pay for these illegal aliens to go to school FREE here in the U.S.)

The Mexican people should not be blamed entirely for this as they are easily duped by the radical racists among them and many of the illegals here are victims of Clinton's NAFTA and the globalists' agenda. The REAL enemies are the globalists who infest all areas and parties within our U.S. government who want no borders at all because they are corporatist and free traders and believe devoutly in Daddy Bush's "New World Order."

Watch Bush's face next time when he says the words "protectionist" or "nationalist" (people who believe it is right to protect Americans first) and he gets the most foul and disgusted look on his face. I am PROUD to be a nationalist and protectionist for the USA - something Bush and his corporatists detest.

Hugo Chavez of Venezuela has been an ardent fighter against globalism , the WTO and and fights to keep his country's identity and Daddy Bush's "New World Order" as he sees them for what they really are and that's why Bush hates Chavez so much. Bush would sell out the American worker and the Amerian middle class in a second. Chavez would not sell out his own people and that is why Bush wants him out of office.

At the end of the day, we are all Americans.

...

Cheers,
Walt

Posted by Walt at 2006-04-08 05:59 AM | Reply



E Pluribus Unum, baby.

A nation of Laws, not La Invasora.

Did any of you know that Senator Spector tried to sneak in a provision in his 500-page bill that would DOUBLE the number of H1-B Visas and increase that number by 20% for every year afterward? These visas bring in foreign worker to take American middle class jobs and undercut American wages by $13,000 a year.


Yep. I did know that. And I was sickened by it. Corporate America is not going to stop on the H-1B issue until they get unlimited visas.

I think Specter has gone insane. Unfortunately,Kennedy will be re-elected again. As far as I know he will run unopposed. There are a lot of people here in MA that would like nothing more than to see him removed from office. I really hope anoher candidate steps forward and hammers away on Kennedy's immigration record.

Even scarier-- Harris Miller from the ITAA is running for senate.

My experience is that the pay differential between native and H-1B visa employees used to be closer to 25%. If the spread's narrowing, it's not because the H-1B visa employee is making higher wages than he once did.

H-1B employees/indentured servants are the perfect corporate asset where corporate loyalty to employee can be forsaken without fear of employee reciprocation. H-1B employee loyalty is enforced through "work for me or go back to Pakistan" leverage that native types are free from.

For now.

Watching your former coworkers in the wonderful world of engineering making career changes to truck driving while the often inferior, "cheap", H-1B overseas labor moves in to replace them ... makes no sense to anyone other than business school graduates.

And politicians. Vote the bums out.

Let's have a "WIN WIN"
1. Pass a law that would force us to enforce our current laws.
2. Give amnesty to all the businesses that have broke the law for the past 20 years by hireling Law Breakers.
3. Transfer a percentage of profits from these businesses (instead of penalties, interest and jail time) to a trust fund that would be used to return all the lawbreakers to their home land.
4. Contract only American owned Airlines to fly 5 flights per day with fully booked 747 planes to Mexico and other countries of origin.
5. Raise the price of a head of lettuce by 9 cents.
6. Oh ya.... Let's have ALL our government representatives transfer their retirement program equity to my Social Security Program and look forward to receiving $1,700 per month after age 65 to live on. (as I am doing)

I think this would take care of most of our current problems in short order.

Oh.... the most important thing....
CLOSE ARE DAMN BORDERS AND CHANGE OUR IMIGRATION PROGRAM TO MIRROR MEXICO'S CURENT PROGRAM.

Bill Hudson
Fenton. MI

"
1. Pass a law that would force us to enforce our current laws.
"

ROTFLMAO

Now Zat, you live in a state where it's a law to "observe" warning signs!

Trespass on my land and you can observe 7mm bullets; Incoming. That's a "warning".

The explosives at Camp Swift have been house-rattling today. What ARE those boys up to?

ZAT

The Mexican local news channels here in Los Angeles are getting the illegals all riled up for their big protests scheduled for this Monday. They showed a picture of one of the former protests and one guy had a MEXICAN FLAG with the "stars" section of the U.S. flag sewn on it in the upper left corner while the rest of the flag remained the Mexican flag. I almost put my foot thru the television set.

Then Presidente Fox came on our Mexican news channel and was talking about "migration" and "workers" and pumping things up. I swear to God if these illegal alien Mexicans rip up and tear and/or change my U.S. flag by sewing the Mexican flag to the back of a U.S. flag or ANYTHING like that again, I will go down to their stinking rally myself and rip it out of their hands.

"1. Pass a law that would force us to enforce our current laws. "

Bahahahahaha

That's gotta make the list for "post of the month" or something. It gets funnier every time I read it.

ANY POLITICIAN who voted for the globalists/corporatists' "guestworker/amnesty sham" 500-page corporate giveaway bill -- VOTE HIM/HER OUT OF OFFICE IN NOVEMBER -- starting with Kennedy, McCain, Lindsey Graham, Arlen Spector, Menendez, Feinstein, Lieberman, Harry Reid, et al.

"What ARE those boys up to?"

Practicing for "Operation Iranian Freedom"?

Dr. StrangeBush: "Tactical nukes are our friends".

"1. Pass a law that would force us to enforce our current laws. "

Bahahahahaha

That's gotta make the list for "post of the month" or something. It gets funnier every time I read it.





DON'T STOP!!!!

Senator Frist put up an "enforcement only" bill without the guestworker/sham amnesty provisions. Here is his bill and I will then post who voted for and against it. This bill would at least have provided SOME enforcement and border protection but was voted down.

SENATOR FRIST'S IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT ONLY BILL

PART 1

Securing America's Borders Act - Provides for increases in the numbers of federal immigration enforcement-related positions and technological assets for use along the borders, including Department of Defense (DOD) equipment.

Provides for: (1) border control facilities construction; (2) land border port of entry construction and improvements; (3) border patrol checkpoints; and (4) fencing, barrier, and road construction and improvements in the Yuma and Tucson sectors.

Directs the Secretary of Homeland Security (Secretary) to develop: (1) a comprehensive land and maritime border surveillance plan; (2) a National Strategy for Border Security; and (3) a southern border study.

Directs the Secretary of State to: (1) report to Congress on improving the exchange of North American security information; (2) work with Canada and Mexico to assist Guatemala and Belize in border security activities; and (3) work with appropriate countries to share information and track Central American gang members.

Provides for biometric data (including entry-exit data collection), document, and other border security enhancements.

Makes all aliens inadmissible on terrorism-related grounds ineligible for asylum. Increases the class of aliens ineligible on security-related grounds for cancellation of removal or voluntary departure.

Makes alien members of criminal street gangs inadmissible and deportable. Denies temporary protected status to gang members.

Revises alien smuggling provisions. Directs the Secretary to establish the American Local and Interior Enforcement Needs (ALIEN) Task Force to respond to the use of government transportation infrastructure to further unlawful alien trafficking.

Provides a mandatory minimum sentence for carrying or using a firearm during an alien smuggling crime.

Revises illegal entry, reentry after removal, and related criminal penalty provisions. Makes it a crime to knowingly be illegally present in the United States.

Revises passport and visa provisions. Criminalizes: (1) trafficking in passports; (2) executing a scheme to defraud a person in connection with any federal immigration matter; and (3) knowing use of any immigration document issued or designed for use by another.

PART 2

Makes an alien convicted of a passport or visa violation inadmissible and removable.

Revises and increases penalties for marriage fraud.

Continues the institutional removal program (IRP) and authorizes its expansion to all states.

Revises voluntary departure provisions.

Prohibits the knowing sale of firearms to, or the possession of firearms by, an alien parolee.

Establishes a ten-year statute of limitations for specified immigration-related offenses.

States that no provision of law shall be construed to provide immigration benefits to an alien who poses a security threat, is under investigation for removal, or for whom background checks have not been completed.

Provides reimbursement to states and local government for costs associated with: (1) processing undocumented criminal aliens through the criminal justice system; and (2) immigration enforcement training.

Authorizes grants for Indian tribes with lands adjacent to an international border of the United States that have been adversely affected by illegal immigration.

Revises alien registration provisions.

Requires, with exceptions, mandatory detention of an alien apprehended illegally seeking to enter the United States at a U.S. port of entry or land or maritime border as of October 1, 2006. Provides that during the interim period an alien must post a bond of at least $5,000 for release pending a removal hearing.

Includes in the definition of aggravated felony a third drunk driving conviction.

Requires expedited removal of an illegal alien apprehended within 100 miles of the border and within 14 days of entry.

Prohibits certain sex offenders from sponsoring an immigrant applicant.

Affirms state law enforcement authority to assist (including transfer to federal custody) the federal government in enforcing U.S. immigration laws during the normal course of law enforcement duties. Provides for related federal reimbursement of state costs.

Provides for listing of immigration violators in the National Crime Information Center Database.

Makes it unlawful to: (1) knowingly hire, recruit, or refer an unauthorized alien; or (2) hire, recruit, or refer a person without complying with identification and employment documentation verification requirements.

Directs the Secretary to implement, and sets forth the provisions of, an electronic employment verification system.

PART 3

Establishes in the Treasury the Employer Compliance Fund.

Provides for visa backlog reductions. Authorizes unused visa number recapture. Exempts immediate relatives of U.S. citizens from the annual cap on family-based immigration. Increases: (1) employment-based green cards; and (2) per-country limits for family-sponsored and employment-based immigrants. Reallocates immigrant visas.

Revises student visa and advanced degree visa provisions.

Makes the J-1 visa (medical services in underserved areas) program permanent.

Consolidates immigration appeals into the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit.

Authorizes the Board of Immigration Appeals to reverse an immigration judge's removal decision without remand.

Eliminates judicial review of visa revocation.

Authorizes reinstatement of a prior removal order against an alien illegally reentering the United States.

Requires an alien applying for withholding of removal to establish that his or her life or freedom would be threatened in the country of return, and that race, religion, nationality, or political or social group would be a central factor in such threat.

Subjects removal appeals to an initial certification of reviewability process by a single judge of the Federal Circuit Court of Appeals.

Limits attorney awards in final orders of removal.

Requires, with exceptions, the Board of Immigration Appeals to hear cases in three-member panels.

These are the Senators who voted for and against Frist's "enforcement only" bill that I spelled out below (that did not have amnesty/guestworker attached to it) along with the Senators who voted NO to not enforce our borders and stop illegal immigration. Now you will know who is for AMERICA and who (the "nays") work only for the corporations:

Grouped By Vote Position
YEAs ---36
Alexander (R-TN) Allard (R-CO) Allen (R-VA) Bennett (R-UT) Bond (R-MO) Bunning (R-KY) Burns (R-MT) Burr (R-NC) Byrd (D-WV) Chambliss (R-GA) Coburn (R-OK) Cochran (R-MS) Cornyn (R-TX) Crapo (R-ID) DeMint (R-SC) Dole (R-NC) Domenici (R-NM) Enzi (R-WY) Frist (R-TN) Grassley (R-IA) Gregg (R-NH) Hatch (R-UT) Hutchison (R-TX) Isakson (R-GA) Lott (R-MS) McConnell (R-KY) Murkowski (R-AK) Nelson (D-NE) Santorum (R-PA) Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL) Smith (R-OR) Sununu (R-NH) Talent (R-MO) Thune (R-SD) Vitter (R-LA)

NAYs ---62
Akaka (D-HI) Baucus (D-MT) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA) *Brownback (R-KS) Cantwell (D-WA) Carper (D-DE) *Chafee (R-RI) Clinton (D-NY) Coleman (R-MN) *Collins (R-ME) Conrad (D-ND) *Craig (R-ID) Dayton (D-MN) *DeWine (R-OH) Dodd (D-CT) Dorgan (D-ND) Durbin (D-IL) *Ensign (R-NV) Feingold (D-WI) Feinstein (D-CA) *Graham (R-SC) *Hagel (R-NE) Harkin (D-IA) *Inhofe (R-OK) Inouye (D-HI) Jeffords (I-VT) Johnson (D-SD) Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) *Kyl (R-AZ) Landrieu (D-LA) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) *Lugar (R-IN) *Martinez (R-FL) *McCain (R-AZ) Menendez (D-NJ) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Obama (D-IL) Pryor (D-AR) Reed (D-RI) Reid (D-NV) *Roberts (R-KS) Salazar (D-CO) Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) *Snowe (R-ME) *Specter (R-PA) Stabenow (D-MI) *Thomas (R-WY) *Voinovich (R-OH) *Warner (R-VA) Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 2 Rockefeller (D-WV) Stevens (R-AK)

I just google-earthed "Camp Swift". If you move SE of there toward Lake Thunderbird, someone's planted trees patterned N-S to spell out "LUECKE". 2.5 minutes high by 30 seconds wide. You can read it from a 100 mile altitude. That's nearly the strangest thing I've ever seen from the "air". Texas is a funny place. Thanks.

And Camp Swift looks more like "Camp Swampy" than "Fort Bliss".

But I'm impressed at the surveyor's skill in getting "LUECKE" to come out as perfectly as he did. From the apparent age of the trees, he was working well before "total stations" and GPS came into use.

Brownback, Chafee, DeWine, Hagel, Inhofe, McCain, Specter

certainly didn't surpise me to see those names in the corporate whores column. and of course the dems automatically oppose anything Frist suggests, especially if it does not include amnesty.

Biscuit -

Who or what is "LUECKE"?

Chris,

I totally agree but it's hard when your leader is a total corporatist named "Presidente Jorge W. Bush" and he acts like a lap dog with no cojones every time he is in the presence of Mexico's Presidente Fox.

Just like I said about not blaming the Mexicans, one can't blame Bush. He does have some responsibility for this mess, but I think you are making a better point by showing the actions of people in congress.

I seriously think we should have a vote and let each person decide. All politicians are going to do is screw things up anyway.

BTW, I have to agree on the "pass a law" comment. That was way too funny.

Cheers,
Walt

Texans think BIG.

1. Pass a law that would force us to enforce our current laws.

Holy shit.

. Pass a law that would force us to enforce our current laws.

Holy shit.

Posted by justsomeguy at 2006-04-09 04:32 AM | Reply


I think I agree with you.....this sort of law is probably not what the founders had in mind is it?>


but there is the usual bush attacks in this thread and just as I said in the other....there is plenty of dems to blame as illegal aliens would make a big jump in the dem voting base as well as the welfare rolls which is one thing that llberal democrats thrive on.........so why cant there be equal time on blustering and blowviating.......

as illegal aliens would make a big jump in the dem voting base

You have to be a US Citizen to vote, moron.

I found this section of an article about why we have this massive illegal immigration from Mexico very interesting. Again, Clinton (who was the one who signed NAFTA) and Bush -- the ultimate globalist and who continues to make rotten free trade deals for working people -- are to blame.

A decade after NAFTA's passage, America is still hemorrhaging the good-paying jobs that NAFTA was supposed to create. As for Mexico, the Washington Post's report on the 10-year anniversary of NAFTA told the story: 19 million more Mexicans now live in poverty than before the pact was signed. Similarly, former U.S. Labor Secretary Robert Reich points out, "Mexico's real wages are lower than they were before [NAFTA]." And because NAFTA included no provisions to force companies to improve Mexican working conditions, jobs that were created in Mexico still pay near-slave wages. For instance, the Associated Press noted this week that "Many young [Mexicans] have manual jobs on minimum wage of $5 a day."

Time Magazine recently shed further light on the situation, reporting that , "Even when new jobs do appear, [Mexico's] unforgiving low-wage business culture -- the dark shame of Mexico's political and economic leaders, which NAFTA was also supposed to reform -- makes sure that they still often pay in a day what similar work would pay in an hour in the United States."

Not surprisingly, Mexican workers' demand for a better life hasn't gone away -- in economic terms, the demand is inelastic. And so that demand is looking for a job supply north of the border.

This is the supply-and-demand reality that no amount of emotional rhetoric can change -- and in that reality we can find the way to address illegal immigration: by stopping the demand instead of trying to block the supply.

where is Lisa?? does ozark have her chained up in the basement?

I'm sure her and OZ are fine.

ozark is yelling "it puts the lotion in the basket" right about now I bet. I could always tell ozark had something evil about him