Nice work Rummy. Hope you catch it.

Birdflu is bullshit.

How many of you would turn down $5 million you made through investments?

He can't help that the media has hyped this thing so bad that the world is in a panic.

"Birdflu is bullshit."

Foolish words from a waterfowl.

How is that news?

It's a biotech company that he used to chair. He was invested in it long before the bird flu was around. It wouldn't be any different if it had come up with a vaccine for AIDS, etc. He also went through the company's losses. Get over it you liberidiots! Everything he did was legit, end of story.

Does this prove yet the oval office was for sale?

"Everything he did was legit, end of story."
"Birdflu is bullshit."


Which is it?

Good for Rummy. Capitalism and the Stock market at its best.

Now I'm sure someone here is going to suggest that Rumsfeld created bird flu to make himself rich?

Any moronic liberals here who believe that? Don't all raise your hands at once.

Success really makes Liberals bitter doesn't it? Halliburton, Walmart, and now Gilead- all solid and ethical companies- only guilty of having sound business strategies, earning alot of money, and having a connection to GOP politicians- somehow, in the mind of a Liberal, it's impossible to fathom the thought that certain GOP politicians are associated with certain companies because they're smart people and good companies- there just has to be a scandal there somewhere...

" politicians are associated with certain companies "


Bush and ENRON come to mind.
That was the funniest post I've read this morning.

"Success really makes Liberals bitter doesn't it?"

This Tamiflu story pops up every four months, and all the liberals dutifully line up and post pretty much the same crap each time.

Last week George Clooney praised himself for being courageous because he made a movie about something that happened 50 years ago.

Earlier this week Air America was running (again!) JFK's explanation of what it means to be a liberal from 1959 (never mind that JFK would not recognize today's liberls at all)

The reason to9day's liberals are bitter about success is because they can't remember it.

Quick Spermin!

Name ONE Bush success.

Funny thing is, the tamiflu is useless against bird flu. It's a entirely different strain. Good sell job, Rummy. Each of these thugs in power have carved a little nest egg for themselves, Snow with the port deal, Cheney with Halliburton, Rumsfeld with the flu scare, bush with the Saudi's. Profit before honor and country, every time.

BushCo is so corrupt and arrogant they can't even bother to wait until they are out of government to enrich themselves. If this was the only instance of questionable ethics to come out of this administration then OK. But it isn't. Halliburton and Iraq and Abramoff, DeLay and the Marianas, tax giveaways and deregulation to all and sundry who paid for it come to mind. These are only a few examples of an unmistakable pattern.

This White House in an amoral cesspool. Makes you almost wish for the simplicity and relative harmlessness of a quick blowjob happening there instead of this slow degeneration. Every time you think that BushCo's sleaze - or their uselessness - could not possibly become any worse they find a way to disgust you even more. 34+ months to go unless we can impeach these sorry excuses for human beings to stop them earlier.

LEFTNUT: "Funny thing is, the tamiflu is useless against bird flu."

And that's exactly the point!!!

Who else but an already rich and powerful politician could have made a killing on a hyped up, but useless product.

WITH THE HELP of the so-called "Liberal Media"???

It happens to be a FACT that homeopathic medicine will be the best defense against the coming bird flu scourge.

Will THAT get media coverage?

"Will THAT get media coverage?"



It would if I were rich, powerful, and well connected enough, even if it's not true.

Rightwing nuts: you've gotta stop blaming the liberal media! They are the ones who made Rummy rich!

"Mr Rumsfeld sold some of his Gilead shares in 2004 reaping - according to the financial disclosure report he is required to make each year - capital gains of more than $5m."

The tax code the day Rummy took office would've charged him $1.95M in Federal Income tax.

Bush's tax code only billed him about three-quarters of a million dollars, a tax cut of over 60%.

THAT'S what it's all about, folks.

ITSME, I'll answer the question you posed to Vernon. The Economy, the unemployment rate, the Patriot Act, just to name three.

"ITSME, I'll answer the question you posed to Vernon."

There was a question posed to me?

How Republicans define ethical:
ADMITTED BRIBING NIGERIAN OFFICIALS: In a 2002 filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Halliburton has admitted that "one of our foreign subsidiaries operating in Nigeria made improper payments of approximately $2.4 million" during the time Vice President Cheney was the company's CEO. [Source: Dallas Morning News, 1/9/04]
ADMITTED BRIBING KUWAITI OFFICIALS: Halliburton had to pay $6.3 million to the Army after two employees took kickbacks in return for awarding a Kuwaiti-based company with lucrative work supplying U.S. troops in Iraq. [Sources: Reuters, 2/11/04; WSJ, 1/23/04]
NIGERIA INVESTIGATING BRIBERY CHARGES: Nigeria is conducting an investigation into "allegations that a Halliburton subsidiary paid $180 million in bribes to land a natural gas project contract" in that country during the time Vice President Cheney was the company's CEO. [Source: NYT, 2/7/04]
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, SEC INVESTIGATING NIGERIA BRIBERY CHARGES: The Justice Department and the SEC are investigating whether Halliburton Co. was involved in the payment of $180 million in possible kickbacks to obtain contracts to build a natural gas plant in Nigeria during a period in the late 1990's when Vice President Dick Cheney was chairman of the company. [Source: Newsweek, 2/4/04]
Evading U.S. Law, Doing Business With Terrorist Nations

HALLIBURTON EVADED U.S.SANCTIONS TO DO BUSINESS WITH IRAN: The Treasury Department reopened a 2001 inquiry that "centered on the legality of the business dealings between Iran and a Halliburton subsidiary incorporated in the Cayman Islands." Under Cheney's leadership, the company used loopholes that allowed "companies to get around the sanctions and conduct business through foreign subsidiaries as long as these entities are not run by Americans." [Source: Reuters, 2/11/04]
HALLIBURTON EVADED U.S.SANCTIONS AND DID BUSINESS WITH IRAQ: "According to oil industry executives and confidential United Nations records... Halliburton held stakes in two firms that signed contracts to sell more than $73 million in oil production equipment and spare parts to Iraq while Cheney was chairman and chief executive officer of the Dallas-based company." [Source: Wash. Post, 6/23/01]
Price-Gouging American Taxpayers

HALLIBURTON OVERCHARGED FOR MEALS: Halliburton has to pay the Pentagon for $27.4 million in overcharges for meals served to troops abroad. The company allegedly billed the government for meals that were never served to troops. Auditors are now looking into the company's food contracts at more than 50 other locations. [Source: LA Times, 2/3/04].

PENTAGON INVESTIGATING OVERCHARGING FOR GAS: A Pentagon investigation is continuing after an audit found Halliburton overcharged the Army by $61 million for gasoline delivered to Iraq as part of its no-bid contract to help rebuild Iraq's oil industry. [Sources: LA Times, 2/3/04; AP, 12/12/03]
PENTAGON INVESTIGATING UNSANITARY KITCHENS: The Pentagon reported finding "blood all over the floor," "dirty pans," "dirty grills," "dirty salad bars" and "rotting meats ... and vegetables" in four of the military messes the company operates in Iraq. [Source: AFP, 12/14/03]
HALLIBURTON GOUGING IN THE BALKANS: The General Accounting Office found in 1997 Halliburton "billed the Army for questionable expenses for work in the Balkans, including charges of $85.98 per sheet of plywood that cost $14.06. A year 2000 follow-up report on the Balkans work that found inflated costs, including charges for cleaning some offices up to four times a day." [Source: AP, 12/12/03]
HALLIBURTON GOUGING CALIFORNIA BASE: In February 2002, Halliburton paid $2 million in fines "for defrauding the government of millions of dollars by inflating prices for repairs and maintenance for work." [Source: NYT, 6/13/02]
HALLIBURTON'S ACCOUNTING: The SEC investigated Halliburton for disreputable accounting practices in 1998 under Cheney's watch. Halliburton increased revenue by $89 million in the fourth quarter of 1998 "by postponing possible losses from customers' nonpayments." [Source: Wash. Post, 6/16/02]

Cute, North.

Are you arguing that somehow Republicans are pure evil and Dems are pure kindness and light? What's the point?

Dirty kitchens? Kitties that have gone four hours without adequate petting? ACCUSATIONS that pillows at Gitmo were not properly fluffed?

There's an equally long list of creepy and questionable dealings for Dems. So, what's the point?

(Next comes the predictable indignation! How dare you compare blah, blah, to blah, blah! Why, blah blah ! is unacceptable!)

No Vern, he's merely pointing out that the current Republicans are setting new standards for collusion and corruption. Tamiflu doesn't work, but Rummy's Bush connection greenlighted a $1.5 billion buy of useless drugs. Halliburton's connection to a still being compensated via deferred options Cheney allows them to get no-bid contracts in a war fought for specious reasons, and they still manage to overcharge us. All of this you gloss over with pithy deflections that the Dems are just as bed (minus any evidence to support that).

This set of Republicans is the most corrupt in history, and yet the masses don't seem to get it because it takes the MSM so long to point it out, if they do at all.
I posted this connection to Gilead, Rummy and Tamiflu a week ago from the grain.org article which pointed out the collusion and also how useless the drugs were, and, most importantly, how factory farming is the real cause of the problem. Most of the points in that article are still not being addressed by the MSM. Will they? Would they if the media were not so "liberal?"

Keep being an apologist for a bunch of scumbags, and do show me the equally long list of "creepy and questionable dealings for Dems." I'd love to compare numbers.

That should read, "are just as bad." Must have been consumed with thinking about how obvious it is that the Repubs are in bed with sleazy biz guys...

the Patriot Act, just to name three.

Posted by DarkSwan at 2006-03-12 11:55 AM |

I dont understand how this is a success. I dont feel any safer, but I am worried that my Google searches may come back to bite me in the ass in 20 years.

Swan, you do make the ugly sound beautiful...to the unquestioning drone, that is.

The Patriot Act is very successful, if curtailing privacy is your goal.

And the unemployment numbers are skewed by the fact that people get dropped from the rolls after they are no longer eligible--welfare reform, remember? Long term unemployment is up double or more during Bush II's reign. Bottom line, more people are unemployed now than at the start of his term.

The economy--doing well? I guess if you consider lower div and cap gains taxes, which benefit the rich, sure. If you consider job creation, the recession, and the inflated yield curve, combined with the lowest interest rates in history (now being jacked back up to fight inflation) which should have been used to create jobs and instead led to people buying more houses they couldn't afford--not so good at all.

More "success" please...

Bottom line, more people are unemployed now than at the start of his term.


It's actually worse than that. there were more people EMPLOYED before Bush took office until the back half of last year. And since then, it's more or less even (because the country is still hemorrhaging jobs).

So, there are pretty much the same number of people working right now as there were in 2000. So that means the rate of people entering the job market directly tie in to the number of non-employed people.

"Tamiflu doesn't work"

Regime,
Well, first of all Tamiflu does work ... as a broad spectrum anti-viral. It's not designed to kill all viruses, but is an early, technically crude drug. It will be another 10 years before we have something truly effective.

But here's the really entertaining part of your post:

"Keep being an apologist for a bunch of scumbags"

I'm not an apologist for anybody, but apparently poking big holes in your argument makes me one? If I'm not with you 100% then I must be against you?

Always amazes me how liberals use this kind of reasoning. You must feel very insecure about your positions to accuse every mild question as a frontal assault from the enemy.

Well Vern, I think you hit the proverbial 'nail on the head'- not only does it set Liberals into a state of absolute panic when you disagree with them on their assertions, but the very suggestion that anyone from the Bush administration may have been 'not evil' on occasion, let alone right, sends them into a fevered rage.

The more I see and hear from the Libs, the less I worry about them achieving any meaningful level of influence...

"... as a broad spectrum anti-viral. It's not designed to kill all viruses, but is an early, technically crude drug..."

The shotgun approach, the fact that it is an early preventative, and that on the first day of global panic of an epidemic millions will gulp it down in a shoddy half-assed manner will give the viruses ample opportunity to evolve a resistance.

Tamiflu will be as useless as penicilin the way it's being tossed about. And the viruses will be another step ahead, Darwin fashion.
But Rummy made his money, didn't he?

"But Rummy made his money, didn't he?"


The most effective drugs are broad spectrum. Zithromax, for example, when you don't have time to culture the bug and identify it.

But somehow, millions of people scarfing down medicine is due to the wrecklessness of Donald Rumsfeld?

Another pathetic example of trying to pin every bad thing on earth to someone in the Bush administration. No matter how absurd the connection.

Can we also find a way to blame Condi Rice for the price of coffee? My kid ate some cat food and pronounced it awful. That must be the fault of Dick cheney.

Patriot is correct. Liberals can achieve no degree of influence. But they are fun to taunt!

Vern:

Nope you are wrong, and once again you run from an actual defense of your "facts," rather than critically examining the evidence at hand, to wit: Rummy made a handsome profit off of a drug that is ineffectual against H5N1. Antibiotics that are not specifically targeted against a virus actually do more harm than good, and in this case we've had plenty of time to "culture the bug and identify it." A better defense would be changing the factory farming conditions that promote the growth of superviruses, not spending $1.5bn on useless pharmaceuticals that benefit governmental insiders. Or do you like having your tax dollars wasted?

You can't deny that there is collusion between Cheney and Hogburton and between Rummy, Bush and Gilead. It's unseemly that this gross manipulation goes on virtually unchecked; these prescriptions that are ineffectual at best are just the latest egregious assault on the public trust. Agrarian ways of life that have nurtured this planet for millennia are being wiped out for the wrong reasons and you have no comment other than ad hominem spin. Evidence of a weak mind at "werk."

The policies of this administration certainly are "wreckless" [sic], as is the blind fealty of sheep like you. But keep hitting Patriot on the head with the hammer of fatuous illogic; he likes it. And you just like to "taunt," which is easier to do than speak the truth.

"Antibiotics that are not specifically targeted against a virus actually do more harm than good"

Antibiotics have never been targeted at a virus. They do NOTHING against a virus. Antibiotics are just what they sound like. They deal with bacteria. I only used that as an example since there are no anti-virals, other than Tamiflu.

Dumbass. And while we're on that, antibiotics also DO NOT target specific bacteria. Dumbass.

Your lame-ass attempt to suddenly bring Cheney and Halliburton into this only underscores the fact that you got nothing.

It's all automatic blather. Buzz, click, whirl! DING: Cheney is in collusion with Enron to build more SUVs that benefit Israel.

"Agrarian ways of life that have nurtured this planet for millennia are being wiped out for the wrong reasons"

Hmmm. Plentiful food. Sanitation. Drastically less disease. Decreased poverty. Education. Prosperity. Yeah, those are all the wrong reasons.

Regime, you want to go out and sit on a cow pie and commune with nature, go ahead. Nobody is stopping you. Most people would rather have something better.

I am glad you took this up Vernon. The antiviral Tamiflu is currently the only thing that can be offered for bird flu. That is because the virus will have to mutate to be passed from human to human which is what will cause an epidemic. Developing something that specifically stops the virus in its current form could only be used to innocolate the birds. The CDC has already said that Tamiflu is basically better then nothing and if the virus mutates then immediate work on a vacination will begin.

"It happens to be a FACT that homeopathic medicine will be the best defense against the coming bird flu scourge."


Right up there with sugar pills, massage therapy and crystal healing. Do remember to wash hands frequently, though.

Tamiflu. Sounds fucking gay. Birdflu probably drinks tamiflu before putting itself to bed. The idea that we can combat a virus with chemicals is byproduct of slow-witted rich white men just desperate as hell to get richer who've had about 1000 too many shots of scotch.

In a drunken stupor: WlLELEE CawN KEEL Brrrd FlOW!!!

Fucking drunken idiots.

Yeah, I distinctly remember Bush telling everyone to get a flu shot the last year. He claimed he himself had one even. Would have been nice to have heard then that his ass-humping butt buddy Rummsfield was investing in Tamiflu.

The more you fight viruses the more vulnerable to them you become.

But hey your dumb as a rock president does it, you should too!!

i heard about rummys stock in this company months ago...was waiting for the libs to start bitching about it. now i'll wait ....when it catches up that tamiflu isn't all that effective as more than a few who received it died anyways...then the libs will be bitching that rummy knew but ripped them off anyways.y'all are really commies envious of anyone who makes their own money ...

Actually, yes, rich idiots everywhere, waste your money on flu shots!! It's good for you, the flu shot is. Just think, everyone will die and only you will be left standing like superman among the victims of bird flu. Of course, when the virus becomes resistant to your faggoty tamiflu, and your weakened, lazy immune system is unable to protect you from a newer, meaner virus, don't come crying to me, I'm not going near your infected ass.

The earth is all about BALANCE. Right now the number of people on this planet is WAAAAAAYYY out of whack. It's not a conscious decision or something by viruses to go out and cull a few billion people, its a natural byproduct of overpopulation. HIV is a great example. If you read about this virus you will wonder how it can be so "smart" in its absolute destruction of our immune system, heck, it practically knows how we work better than we do. So we combat it, and yeah, we started to win, look at Magic Johnson, hes doing great, but as a result of those broad scale efforts a new version of HIV has come about. The new HIV is completely resistant to all medications previously used, and kills its victims in 6 months to a year. It used to be common to live 10 years or more after getting HIV.

Time and again viruses have shown that they cannot be stopped, and yet we keep trying, and all that really does is upset the balance we have with viruses.

Yeah, getting a gov't grant for a drug that doesn't work because of your connections is really "making your own money."

Your mentality is more in line with the communist mind lock than anyone thinking outside the box.

You cog.

YES REG!!!! pull you head out ...he has been with the company since '97.but hell maybe his crystal ball told him about the flu and how his company would develop tamiflu... but you would feel better about your own sorry life if he sold at a loss?????did his connections make the asian countries using tamiflu? endorse it???all the lib channel on tv bemoaning the fact that the administration was woefully short on their orders for enough doses of tamiflu?

Donald Rumsfeld, you are a gun-toting corporate criminal because you don't think that homemaking should be outlawed just like slavery before that!

57, you're a troll. Learn syntax, spelling, logic, etc., graduate high school and come back later with something that passes for discourse.

Until then, I'll have to make do with my "sorry life" in the tropics, collecting my dividend checks that your boy Bush has made fatter than ever, thus allowing me to nourish an autonomous system which provides me with fresh, organic food and clean spring water, and which will be unaffected by the continued, rampant stupidity of the crooks you idolize.

Somehow, I'll get by without you.

I hate rumsfeld, but in this situation my real gripe is that the very idea of fighting a virus and thereby reducing the threat viruses represent is fraudulent in the extreme. Fighting them only makes them stronger. You have to understand that the Virus has been surviving better than any organism on this earth for billions of years.

"an autonomous system which provides me with fresh, organic food and clean spring water,"

Regime,

Tell us more!

Corky

Again, a bunch of Bourbon chugging rich white drunkards sitting around at the lodge suddenly decide HEY LETS KILL ALL VIRUSES, WE'LL MAKE A MINT!!!

People think nuclear bombs are bad, and that terrorists flying planes into buildings are scary, what about a threat you can't see, smell or hear? A threat that could get you through something as innocuous as a handshake or kiss? Or even a passerby sneezing. Imagine airborne HIV. Now that is some scary shit.

But yeah Tamiflu will save us.

Birdflu is bullshit.

How many of you would turn down $5 million you made through investments?

He can't help that the media has hyped this thing so bad that the world is in a panic.

Posted by DarkSwan at 2006-03-12 09:00 AM | Reply

You want Clintons head over the Whitewater land deal that they could never pin on him (and still try) and yet the selling out of our govt and the giveaway of billions of tax dollars to friends of the admin (including people in the admin) doesn't seem to faze any of the repubs around here?

Why is that?

No bid-contracts? Sounds like a give-away to me.

p.s. Don't like what I have to say, go fuck yourself. Thank you.

REG old boy. when logic and truth fail... go for the personal attack.by the way..i don't believe your "paradise". you are too bitter ...like all libs!

Corky,

It's my farm in Costa Rica, bought it about 8 years ago as part of a conservation effort, and along the way I've learned a lot about farming, agriculture, life, etc. Far different from my "real" job as a film/music studio owner. I didn't mean to imply I had a mechanistic system to create things out of thin air (if you took it that way). Rather, I have a large watershed and have worked with the gov't down there to protect 1000s of hectares of virgin rainforest, thus ensuring my continued clean water flow. The food is handled by some great "hippies" who understand permaculture and in whom my small investment in salary is rewarded by creating a system that requires little in the way of external "inputs" (food, pesticides, etc.) because of the sybiotic relationship between the animals and plants. We took a monoculture of old cattle fields and transformed it into an oasis of diversity, with cattle, fowl, pigs, horses, veggies, fruits, seeds, etc. We grow our own biodiesel fuel with nuts and other crops. It's pretty amazing, and now the challenge is to see if I can translate what I've learned into some opportunities here in the states.

Working on a blog, but, internet being what it is down there, it's not so advanced. I'll be down there for April, so in May I'll post a link and you can check it out for yourself.

And then Heinz can see who's "bitter."

Why do you idiotic republicans call everyone that does not believe what you do liberals??? Do you think it is cool or something? T

That is just something else that proves that you are all just a bunch of close minded a$$holes.

Rummie (as in "drunkard"), you're doing a heckuva job!

MotherFrocker
Hoping I don't get birdflu!!!!!!!!