Lacky hacks !

I don't see a leader in the whole bunch of ass clowns , but you forgot mccain , chaffee and snow .

Yeah so? Its KOS - its indicative of what exactly? Far leftwing which is representative of a small minority and really drags the Democrats off the charts into Palookaville ...

Speaking of Palookaville-who thought up the bright idea of having Virginia Governor Kane
give the Democratic response.

Frankly, I'm embarrassed.

That list looks like a directory for some blood sucking lawyer group like Dewey Cheatham and Howe .

McCain is the next President.

GZ- we can only hope someone so sane could be elected.

As much as I'd wish any Dem were in the WH today, I also don't think any generic Dem has a chance to beat any generic GOPer. The GOP neo-cons and theo-cons have lots of corporate money behind them, and the deck is stacked. In today's post-industrial world, national competitiveness has a lot more pull than social policies.

In this Congressional Election, the Dems can score big on values and integrity. If they go only on a policy platform, they'd probably lose.

....if they had some values and integrity, oh and original idea might help too.

Bwhahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"oh and original idea might help too."

You mean like thinking you can democratize the middle east right?

I will say it was a bold idea but pretty dumb you gotta admit

Gore?

The man did beat Bush in 2000.

....if they had some values and integrity, oh and original idea might help too.

Bwhahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by JMFJ at 2006-01-31 11:00 PM

I hope you arent attempting to imply the Republifundie party has values, integrity, or original ideas.

Oh wait... isn't your line of bullshit that you are a libertarian? It seems you have been slipping out of character lately.

Speaking of Palookaville-who thought up the bright idea of having Virginia Governor Kane
give the Democratic response.

Frankly, I'm embarrassed.

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tell me about it, he's my new gov...yippee. He wants to brag how VA is the best managed state.....hmmm. Can you add? A democrat makes big news by winning a red state that has recognition as the best managed. A RED state.....now we have a BLUE gov. LORD HELP VA!!!

but as Mr. Kerry enjoyed saying....."There's a better way"....whatever that means....so who knows.

"oh and original idea might help too."

You mean like thinking you can democratize the middle east right?

I will say it was a bold idea but pretty dumb you gotta admit

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hindsight is 20/20 isnt it? too bad he had a good backing by the democrats when all the shit was going down. but now that it is taking longer and requiring more resources the libs slither their way to the other side to oppose the entire idea. This is exactly how the liberal nations of the world acted. No one wanted to be our friend when we decided to go to war. But as soon as we took over, killed sadaam's sons and tore down the statue all of a sudden we were getting congratulations from nations who wanted a piece of that historic pie. Its so predictable. If we were to win this war tomorrow, every liberal and european country out there would be wondering how they could get credit for such a success. But of course it will never be marked as a success by libs cuz they had NOTHING to do with us going to war........

"if they had some values and integrity, oh and original idea might help too."

JM:

Russ Feingold has more values and integrity than this current administration combined... throw in several Republican senators and Feingold still wins hands down!

Original ideas??

Which one of Bush's "ideas" would be considered original? The first "idea" of why we needed to invade Iraq, WMD? Or how about when that didn't pan out, the second "idea" of spreading of democracy to a country who has their own "ideas" of how their country should be run? OR how about revamping S.S.? N.C.L.B.?? I could go on and on about Bush's "ideas" that he has failed at because they weren't such good "ideas" in the first place.

I'd love to see Feingold run. The only problem is, he would have a difficult time winning the southern "christian" vote.

He would certainly have this Christian's vote!

LORD HELP VA!!!

Posted by richarcm at 2006-02-01 06:03 AM | Reply

God already did.

Unfortunately, when it comes to organization, the GOP has it all over the DEMs.

As in the time of Hoover and Harding, the GOP has harnessed the conservative docile nature of the population, and the power of the corporate oligarchs to make itself powerful. In addition, the neo-cons and theo-cons have, respectively, a lock on the military and the churches. It all makes for a formidable opposition to the traditional academic idea of what good governance is all about.

So, Bush is just another Warren Harding type, but with a zealous militaristic streak and a helluva power-hungry organization behind him. Can any of the prospective Democratic contenders take on the Bush-Cheney-Rove-Libby- Rumsfeld machine?

(BTW -- Some insiders have mentioned that GOP's next duo will be John McCain + Jeb Bush in 2008; Seems that they made the concession to McCain as long as he'd pick Jeb to be the # 2 and throw his weight behind Dubya in 2004. So who can the DEMs put up to beat a McCain+Jeb ticket in '08?)

INWI,
Forget about it, the country isn't ready for someone as progressive and intelligent as Russ. We'll keep him working in Wisconsin a little longer, while they trot out choices like Bush or Gore. Personally, I'm tired of losing our top people to the national scene, like when we lost one of our finest Governors to a useless position on Bush's cabinet. We'll just settle for having one of the best states in the union for awhile.

Hi Hawk!

As much as I would hate for Wisconsin to lose Feingold, I think he would make a good president and change the state this country has been in since Bush took control.

"Forget about it, the country isn't ready for someone as progressive and intelligent as Russ."

Definition of "progressive", please...

What proof do you have that Feingold is more intelligent than the current President?

INWI,

You actually believe a Jew would ever win the Presidency in America? Never happen. As much as I would love to believe it, from my own personal experience I can't. And if I ever begin to believe it, a night on this site debating with many here will set me straight.

Despite all the scoffing I did as a boy whenever my parents tried to tell me the realities of anti semitism, I now see all of it is true. Most people remain indifferent until they experience some hardship - lets say gas prices - before you know it the bumper stickers appear "We need Oil, not Jews" or what we're seeing now, which I predicted years ago , was people would look to blame someone for the Iraqi invasion. Despite the obvious that Republicans control all of our government, people here post that it's "neo cons" that are really to blame. What's going on here is excusing the actualy responsible parties and the beginning of setting up the Jews as the scapegoat. Are there neo conservatiove Jews? yes and were there Israelis who supported the US policy regarding Iraq? Yes, but despite Jews playing an important role in Neoconservative thinking, are not the majority of neo conservatives non Jews? Yes. Its not some sort of "Jewish cabal" and Israel was and is much more concerned with Iran and always has been. Nevertheless, I get it here all the time ... The Zionists, the Jews, Israel ... blah blah and say what you will but Russ Feingold would spend all his time swatting away questions about his connections to Zionists as if Zionists are some evil organization plotting to take over the world. Americans will never vote for a Jew to lead them. Many people believe had Al Gore chosen a non Jew to run as VP, he would have won. I know from friends living in New Mexico and politically active that Lieberman was a major drag on the ticket out there because he's a Jew. As muuch as Americans fancy themselves free of racism and bigotry, its hardly true and many are guilty of both and will hide it knowing its shameful at this point in time to still believe such backward primitive ideas ... and yet I give you our own resident bigot Paleocon who is representative of many who think exactly the same but never say so except in private and in a voting booth.

"So who can the DEMs put up to beat a McCain+Jeb ticket in '08?)"

NO ONE

Good Morning GZ:

Sadly, I don't think Feingold would be elected, strictly because he is Jewish. That is why I said he wouldn't pull the southern "christian" vote.

It really bothers me that people would vote, placing their religious beliefs as priority, rather than if someone is qualified, is honest, has moral values and integrity and would be the best solution to fix a troubled country.

BTW: I'm sorry for the crap you have to put up with here GZ.

"tell me about it, he's my new gov...yippee. He wants to brag how VA is the best managed state.....hmmm. Can you add? A democrat makes big news by winning a red state that has recognition as the best managed. A RED state.....now we have a BLUE gov. LORD HELP VA!!!

Posted by richarcm"

Uhhhm, I believe his predecessor was also a Dem. So the Commonwealth has been being managed by a Democrat for a while now.

You're a tool.

Jeb Bush would be committing political suicide if he ran right now.

He has no coattails to ride in on.

Interesting that someone who says they are pro-life/anti-abortion would vote for someone pro-abortion like Feingold.

I guess it does not matter unless they are a Dem wearing a cheese hat. Then it is ok to kill the unborn I guess.

That is the reason I could not vote for Feingold or Lieberman.

Niceville:

When you can give me logical reasons why you claim to be a Christian, then act nothing like one....you can question and judge me.

Until then....(fill in the blank)

Box, to answer your questions:

"Definition of "progressive", please"
Not the current one trotted out by the Democratic party, but far-thinking, a mind firmly rooted in the 21st century.

"What proof do you have that Feingold is more intelligent than the current President?"
There's no need for me to present anything; just Google his name and look at the legislation he's written and supported in Wisconsin. The best moves our state has implemented in the last few years have just about all been his.

"That is the reason I could not vote for Feingold or Lieberman."

A. How about voting for someone who is HONEST?

B. How about someone who focuses on the country's interest rather than major corporations that fund campaigns.

C. How about voting for someone who regards their supporters as WACKOS?

Nicey chooses "C" every time and wonders why we laugh at him.

BTW, are you on a waiting list for an unwanted child? What about an unused embryo? Waste Not, Want Not.

Step up to the plate, Stalker.

Thanks Hawk.

I will admit that I cannot firmly envision what "far thinking" and "firmly rooted in the 21st century" actually mean. To me the term "progressive" does not have a firm political meaning. It is used by so many diverse people in so many different ways, it has lost any true meaning.

I am not saying Feingold is not intelligent. I am sure he is. I really do not know much about him. He sounds far superior to the "ass-clown" Republican Governor the State of Ohio has. I will agree with the assertion that a Jew will have a very difficult time getting elected to the Presidency. Religious bigotry is alive and well. However, the statement that Feingold is too intelligent to be elected is not ground in any facts or reality.

"What proof do you have that Feingold is more intelligent than the current President?"

Are you serious???

_____________(blank filled in, but not how you wanted to fill it in. And saying it in your mind is no less a sin)


If you support/vote for Feingold there is no judging to be done Lisa but nice try on the deflection. You then support abortion. PERIOD.

And I can ask you the same question. Your actions have "proven" it except, you see, I do not badger you with the same judgment you seem to think you can heap on others.

Thanks.

And, no, I will not get into the back and forth tit for tat DR pointless arguing you are so famous for.

IF you support someone like Feingold then you also support abortion, including partial birth. Unless you are just finding this out and now will have a conflict which is entirely possible in your case IMO.

NARAL: 93% score. He advocates the killing of the unborn.

Have a nice day and prepare to be reminded of his abortion stance often if the case warrants.

"Interesting that someone who says they are pro-life/anti-abortion would vote for someone pro-abortion like Feingold."
Posted by niceville at 2006-02-01 09:08 AM | Reply

Nice,
I'm against abortion (sort of) too, but if that's your only issue, you've just eliminated the entire Democratic party and a lot of Republicans, too. There are too many other issues, and besides, it's the law of the land at the moment.

Other than Lieberman - has a Jew ever been on a Presidential ticket?

The reason I ask is because there are very few jews where I live - I don't really get to see the anti-semitism that goes on in other places.

I have to admit, I didn't even know Lieberman was a jew until I read this thread.

And I see your Knight4Amore comes riding in. LOL.

Hi Mike, better edumacate your 8th grade crush on Feingold's abortion support. Maybe she will listen to you.

Ozark,

Do you actually contend that the President regards his supporters as whackos??? Do you contend that Bill Clinton, Al Gore and John Kerry are honest? Do you contend that Bill Clinton, Al Gore and John Kerry did not get political funding from large corporations?

Inwi,

Yes. Absolutely serious. You have no proof that Feingold is any more intelligent than the President. It may be your opinion, but you have no proof. You have no clear evidence that supports your opinion.

Well Hawk, I know all that BUT someone has to be for the unborn.

So I guess I will not be considering any Dems then which is typical since they are too cowardly to stand up for the unborn and bow at the altar of their whacked out fringe groups like NARAL, et al.

I voted for Carter, big mistake, and never have voted Dem again. And for good reason. Remains to be seen what the GOP or an alternate party can come up with for 2008.

"However, the statement that Feingold is too intelligent to be elected is not ground in any facts or reality."
Posted by stopthebox_itch at 2006-02-01 09:23 AM | Reply

I was being a little flippant there. The humorous point I was trying to make is that, based on the last couple of selections we were given, Feingold is too intelligent to make it.
As for the religious angle, maybe some of you are too young, but i remember when John Kennedy had no chance for the Presidency because he was Catholic. A lot of religious bigotry died in 1960, and I'm hoping it stayed dead.

"You have no proof that Feingold is any more intelligent than the President"
Posted by stopthebox_itch at 2006-02-01 09:28 AM | Reply

Seriously, man, take a look at his legislative accomplishments and compare them to not only the President's, but just about anyone out there. It's a no brainer (literally).

Feingold did well in this Kos "poll", and rightly so.

Lots of theses bloggers lean to policy issues and Feingold is a policy wonk on a level with Bill Clinton. Doesn't have Bubba's charisma, but then, who does?

He's worked awfully hard in the Senate to gain a reputation of fairness and of having insight into difficult issues, particularly, as I recall, economic issues.

But would the public even recognize someone who was competent in policy issues after having GW in the office?

Probably not.

"Do you actually contend that the President regards his supporters as whackos?"

Seems Tom Delay and Mike Scanlon do so, and this leads me to believe that it's not much of a secret in Washington that supporters of the Republican agenda are manipulated with hot button issues like abortion and gambling.

Slimeballs like Nicey are just new age prohibitionists. What they are really afraid of is the darkness that they hold in their hearts. The Stalker mentality must be curbed, or redirected towards some perceived evil.

They want laissez faire captalism with social controls. Why not embrace fascism and be done with it?

Looking for intelligent life on the planet Bush>>> LOL, Missy!

Niceville...the faux Christian is at it again.

Many people here have repeatedly asked you, what you have done personally to help the abortion cause. Adopt any unwanted children? Take a young woman into your home to care for her until she has given birth?

Come on you fake Christian....what have YOU done???

You're a joke and a hypocrite.

What I find amusing is that you keep harping on one issue, claiming that is why you won't vote for someone, but you are clearly OK with voting for someone who in unethical, immoral, obviously not Christian material...pretty much like yourself!!

I like Biden (can't call him soft on defense); Byah (diplomatic but gets his point across*); Feingold (intelligent, articulate, ethically consistent); and Edwards (articulate and empathetic in a Bill Clinton kind of way).

*Byah was on Charlie Rose last night and made a good point about domestic spying: Bush is making it seem that we can be safe, or we can have our civil liberties protected. We don't have to choose. We can have both. If laws need to be updated, rewrite them; don't just ignore the ones that are on the books and say that's what must be done. .

INWI, are all pro-lifers hypocrites if they haven't done some of the things you have suggested Niceville should do?

Yes, I am pro-life but that is a moral religious belief and it doesn't mean that I think we can have criminalized abortion on demand - it just isn't realistic legally. It is still wrong.

InWi,

If the ability to competently and skillfully deliver a speech was the best indicator of intelligence, then Rush Limbaugh would be one of the smartest people in the world.

I know you don't believe that.

Ozark,

Tom Delay does not look at his constituents as whackos.

Eberly:

My problem with Niceville is not just this one issue...it's his claim to being a Christian, basing his vote on "Christian" morals, when he clearly has none himself, nor do those he votes for!

I am against abortion, I have risked my own life for my unborn children, however, I don't believe it is our right to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body. I firmly believe that the decision to have an abortion is between that woman and God. And not for Niceville to sit in judgement of.

I respect your opinion on abortion and obviously agree with it.

However, you have now earned the wrath of Niceville. Watch your back. The faux Christian will be out to get you now!!

Box:

You are right.

However, the man has his speeches written for him and he still bumbles, stumbles, trips over words.

All he has to do is read and memorize...and he can't manage to do that.

Sorry, I have always thought that Bush was in intellectual midget.

"Bush is making it seem that we can be safe, or we can have our civil liberties protected. "

These GOPers under Rove make all issues an all or nothing, black or white, with us or against us issue.

And this from the guy who said he was a "uniter, not a divider".

Bush could have picked a SC candidate who would have gotten 100 votes in the Senate. But no, he needed to pay back his retro-America constituants.

Bush could say that his admin would provide a statement of probable cause, after the fact, on his warrantless searches. But no, further sharpening the divide between Americans with fear-mongering is their MO.

Bush could promote adoption and education and protection and abstinence, but fostering outrage among his backers over abortion gets out the vote more heavily.

Must be a proud thing these days, being a Republican first, and an American second.

"Bush could promote adoption and education and protection and abstinence, but fostering outrage among his backers over abortion gets out the vote more heavily."

Ya think?

And people like Niceville buy into it hook, line and sinker!

Russell Feingold on Abortion



Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime.
Bill would make it a criminal offense to harm or kill a fetus during the commission of a violent crime. The measure would set criminal penalties, the same as those that would apply if harm or death happened to the pregnant woman, for those who harm a fetus. It is not required that the individual have prior knowledge of the pregnancy or intent to harm the fetus. This bill prohibits the death penalty from being imposed for such an offense. The bill states that its provisions should not be interpreted to apply a woman's actions with respect to her pregnancy.
Reference: Unborn Victims of Violence Act; Bill S.1019/HR.1997 ; vote number 2004-63 on Mar 25, 2004

Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life.
S. 3 As Amended; Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003. Vote to pass a bill banning a medical procedure, which is commonly known as "partial-birth" abortion. Those who performed this procedure would then face fines and up to two years in prison, the women to whom this procedure is performed on are not held criminally liable. This bill would make the exception for cases in which a women's life is in danger, not for cases where a women's health is in danger.
Bill S.3 ; vote number 2003-51 on Mar 12, 2003

Voted NO on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions.
Vote on a motion to table [kill] an amendment that would repeal the ban on privately funded abortions at overseas military facilities.
Bill S 2549 ; vote number 2000-134 on Jun 20, 2000

Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions.
This legislation, if enacted, would ban the abortion procedure in which the physician partially delivers the fetus before completing the abortion. [A NO vote supports abortion rights].
Status: Bill Passed Y)63; N)34; NV)3
Reference: Partial Birth Abortion Ban; Bill S. 1692 ; vote number 1999-340 on Oct 21, 1999

Voted NO on disallowing overseas military abortions.
The Murray amdt would have repealed current laws prohibiting overseas U.S. military hospitals and medical facilities from performing privately funded abortions for U.S. service members and their dependents.
Status: Motion to Table Agreed to Y)51; N)49
Reference: Motion to table Murray Amdt #397; Bill S. 1059 ; vote number 1999-148 on May 26, 1999

Rated 93% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record.
Feingold scores 93% by NARAL on pro-choice voting record
For over thirty years, NARAL Pro-Choice America has been the political arm of the pro-choice movement and a strong advocate of reproductive freedom and choice. NARAL Pro-Choice America's mission is to protect and preserve the right to choose while promoting policies and programs that improve women's health and make abortion less necessary. NARAL Pro-Choice America works to educate Americans and officeholders about reproductive rights and health issues and elect pro-choice candidates at all levels of government. The NARAL ratings are based on the votes the organization considered most important; the numbers reflect the percentage of time the representative voted the organization's preferred position.

Source: NARAL website 03n-NARAL on Dec 31, 2003

Bush may get one more SCOTUS pick and when and if he does, we can only pray that we have the courts to reverse the damge done to our nation by over 45 million lives ended without them ever having the choice to live.

Since EVERY thread is now an abortion thread. This, stolen without permission from Gal.....

Corky, Horace, Boyd and others interested in this abortion debate:


Here is another site that says the public opinion on abortion has reminded constant since the 1970s:

The nonpartisan public opinion research organization, Public Agenda, points out that despite a generation of constant wrangling over abortion, American public opinion remains as divided as it was when Roe v. Wade was first decided. In 1975, a Gallup poll found that 54 percent thought abortion should be legal only under certain circumstances; 21 percent thought it should be legal in all circumstances; and 22 percent thought it should be illegal. In 2003, another Gallup poll saw these numbers shift to 57 percent; 24 percent; and 18 percent, respectively.

How many late term, partial birth abortions actually occur each year in this country? Not too many:

Thirty-three years later the vast majority of abortions occur in the court-sanctioned first trimester. Today, 60 percent of abortions occur before 8 weeks of gestation, and 88 percent of abortions are performed before the 13th week of gestation. (Interesting embryological note: at 8 weeks a fetus is 0.63 inches long and weighs 0.04 ounces; at 12 weeks, 2.13 inches and weighs less than half an ounce.) According to the CDC, fewer than 6 percent of abortions are done after 15 weeks of pregnancy (4 inches long and 2 and half ounces).

www.reason.com

In the years since Roe v. Wade was decided, erroneously, 45 MILLION lives have ended.

Granted a large number but a small % may have anyway, BUT the fact remains that abortion is still practiced largely for "convenience"9more than 9 of 10) AND each time it ENDS a LIFE that would otherwise be exercising their right to live as we speak for the most part.

One man's "convenience" is often a woman's entire life.

"Since EVERY thread is now an abortion thread. "

And always will be as long as Spamville is around.

I would vote for McCain except I am troubled by the way he bent over for Bush in 2004 after what Bush did to him in 2000.
As a former Vet, I had nothing but respect and admiration for John McCain.
But 2004 made me stop & think. Not that I wouldn't vote for him in 2008 ( he still has more integrity that all of BushCo put together)but there is that question mark in my mind.

GZlives
more jewish members of scotus then wasps
more catholics then wasps /equal number of
blacks and wasps//a secular jew could be president but he would have to be fairly conservative-the vast majority of the country would accept a competent person of most ethnic groups -it's the political elite that would be the problem because they have remained in power by playin ethnic differences
jasman

I would vote for McCain except I am troubled by the way he bent over for Bush in 2004 after what Bush did to him in 2000.

There was a time when I would have voted for McCain, but that time has passed. He was too much an apologist for Bush in recent years, so that overrides all the good things he has done. Although I would prefer McCain at this point to other potential Republicans who are being mentioned at this time for a possible 2008 presidential run.

You know Niceville, just cause you support Feingold doesn't mean you support abortion. I means that is a difference you have with a person.

Unlike you, abortion in NOT at the top of most people reason for being. I don't like abortion, would not mind at all if the USSC overturns it, but in all honesty ... it's like 8 or 9 out of my top ten issues, sometimes it falls totally out of the top ten.

Many do polls showing x% of people support choice, others show x% of people supporting banning abortion, what neither of those polls show is how important the whole abortion issues is to the respondant .... when they do that, it almost always comes up as "somewhat important" or not "very important".

I'm pretty darn conservative & knowing what I know of Russ Feingold, he would bring many things to the WH that neither Bush did or Clinton, he would do well. & as progressive as his views are, he is beholden to NO ONE, not coporate relationships, not the Dem party, not PAC's or Special Intrest groups, he's always been beholden to only one group ... the people he represents. Even the Dem party is a bit fearfull of Russ cause he will not be dictated too. His policy of strictly limiting donations to individuals would resonate VERY well with the American people imo .... it would force campaign reform to the forefront.

You may not like Feingold views, but you always know where he's coming from & you can work with the guy. He tough, but fair & never resorts to personal attacks.

I think him running for President would be very good for our country ... & that's coming from one redneck conservative.

inwi
notice you said unborn children well if a fetus is an unborn child should it not have the same rights as a small child-we live in a country where small children are routinely taken from parents who are deemed unfit-does a drug adict have the right to smoke and do drugs in front of their children it's their body-what about alcoholics-what your are sayin is that a womwns rights to her body are only the rights the govt. allows her
jasman

You may not like Feingold views, but you always know where he's coming from & you can work with the guy. He tough, but fair & never resorts to personal attacks.

The more I learn about Feingold, the more I like him.

Look,

You can't lead a country by simply complaining and wishing things were the way you want them too. I wish the Left would get that. You can't lead a country by ignoring the wisdom and wealth of knowledge of our experts. I wish the Right would get that. We need an educated, moderate leadership. Mark Warner has the intelligence and moderation that we need. He is a pure centrist, and it would do the Democratic party wonders if it would move to the center. We are not withdrawing from Iraq. It would be another national disaster. We need an intelligent human being to win in the Middle East.

BRIWO-briwo would vote for McCain except I am troubled by the way he bent over for Bush in 2004 after what Bush did to him in 2000.

Bullsh*t-I have been reading your post for about 1 year. You would never vote for McCain he has an R next to his name.

Gore?

The man did beat Bush in 2000.

Oh yes pleeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaasssssseeee run Gore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not a left wingnut at all, but Kane did a great job at articulating what we really need in our leadership, I wish his speechwriters would have left off the sloganistic "we can do better", but at least they left out "culture of corruption." That is nausiating.

McCain is the only honest Republican on the main stage, I would vote for him in a heartbeat, except he will be 72 and in a tragic event, who would you trust as VP to take over the country. Unless he has a (forgive the spelling) Giouliani or a right leaning Dem like Biden or Warner, as his running mate, how can you trust a Republican? Seriously, this isn't a conservative versus liberal thing, who can look in the mirror, and say, "I trust the modern Republican party with my welfare?"

"A lot of religious bigotry died in 1960, and I'm hoping it stayed dead."

Well sad to say that it's very much alive and well. In fact, I'd say its worse then ever. The left sees the Jews now as "Zionists" which has become a code word that is used to communicate a manipulative group conspiring behind the scenes to manipulate events ... you can find the origin of this in Europe circa the middle ages.

"I like Biden (can't call him soft on defense);"

Biden has a son in the military. I like him as well however the rank and file Democratic Party does not. They see him as Senator credit card and have little use for him. Sad since he's extremely bright and I believe would make a great leader.

"more jewish members of scotus then wasps"

How do you figure Jasman .. I count two -Ginsberg and Breyer. Also, remember these judges are chosen and not elected.

"blacks and wasps//a secular jew could be president but he would have to be fairly conservative-the vast majority of the country would accept a competent person of most ethnic groups"

I disagree. People believe Jews are different and they question their loyalty. I get it all the time right here. A Jewish President would never be trusted on mideast policy or would have to bend over backwards to prove he/she wasn't biased in favor of Israel.

"You can't lead a country by simply complaining and wishing things were the way you want them too. I wish the Left would get that. "

I think we did a pretty good job of leading the country throughout the 1990's. If we hadn't, Republicans wouldn't have had all that surplus to blow ...

"but Kane did a great job at articulating what we really need in our leadership"

Are you serious ? I must have missed it having fell asleep it was so boring. Everyone said later that it was yet another illustration of why Democrats can't seem to get it together. They should have had someone with a bit of stature respond - like Joe Biden. I thought it was ... useless.

GZ,

I don't know what to tell you if you didn't like Kane's speech. Go watch American Idol I guess. I have a(n) MA in Public Policy, I know what works and what doesn't work. It's really not that hard to run the richest country in the world well. The political process is what is difficult, that is, trying to keep all of your funders and voters happy. It's not the most exciting thing in the world to see a problem, come up with the most efficient and effective solution, and having people dedicated on service implementing the solution, followed up with non-partisan, critical evaluation of the solution. It's dull, and boring, and that's why accountants don't make good movie stars and vice versa. How do you want your future led? By an accountant, or a showboater???????

I'm not a left wingnut at all, but Kane did a great job at articulating what we really need in our leadership, I wish his speechwriters would have left off the sloganistic "we can do better", but at least they left out "culture of corruption." That is nausiating.

Posted by bocaink at 2006-02-01 01:35 PM

I'll have to watch him. But if he is for appeasing the Republifundies (which it sounds like), there is no chance in hell I'm supporting that.

The country needs a de-Bush-ification if it is going to stand much longer. This is the third time in one generation that the false god of supply side economics has seized control of our nation. Look at the budget (and trade) deficits, look at the jobless rate, look at the median income, and look at our public education. This nation is on it's last legs unless someone can turn this thing around.

You don't turn things around by leaving the people purposely responsible for the problems in power.

GZlives
name wasps 5 catholics 2 jews at the most
it would be only 2 wasps ///secular jews views are more main stream the a lot of libs if a jewish rep ran against ultra lib dem he would have a shot or a jewish
dem against a extreme rightwing rep
jasman

Justsomeguy,

Forgive me if I am explaining something you already know, but while it is a two party system, there are really four separate Major political tribes in modern political life.

-Neocon: George Bush lover, endorses gaining personal fortune on the backs of others. Not concerned with details and numbers. Morality is self-serving and the bible is how they say it is, and that's final!

Works well with: Fellow Neocon, Can agree with Paleocon over moral and some policy issues.

Hunts Clintonista and Left Wingnut for food, warmth, and for survival.

Votes for: Everything Bush

-Paleocon: Father tribe of the Neocon, often known in the scientific community as Republicus Reganicus: While morally adhering to semi-strict biblical principals, the paleocon also preaches individual responsability, govenment fiscal prudence and libertarian leanings. As parents, often-times the harshest critic of the Neocon.

Works well with: Nobody, didn't I just say they lean libertarian? Can work with Neocon on moral issues, can work with clintonista on legal and fiscal issues.

Hunts: Nothing, the last known living Paleocon was Pat Buchanon........oh wait, he's still alive. Lemme get back to you on that.

Votes: Donald Duck or George W. Bush, depending on political climate.

Clintonista: A charming clan with a doubious moral compass. The only clan in the past 30-odd years to balance the federal budget. Politcal tactics are a smorgasboard of tactics that has Machiavelli taking notes in his grave, ranging from unexplained suicides to trashing the entire White House upon exit.

Hunts: Neocons: Extremley successful when fighting in large numbers. Can become prey if Neocon gains moral upper-hand. Will also pick at the remains of dead and dying Paleocons. Has been also known to corner and attack isolated left wingnuts.

Votes: Clintonista, Left wingnut. Some tribesmen and women may be converted to Neocon, only to come back to tribe whimpering.

Left Wingnut: Odd looking and politically awkward, this tribe harkens back to a simpler time when protests were violent, bras were burned, and minorities and homosexuals were savagely beaten by "the man." Has few friends, is either a multibillion dollar media mogul, or lives with mother.

Hunts: This tribe is strickly vegitarian.

Votes for: Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, Jacque Cirac, John Kerry.


Warner is right in the middle. I like that.

" I have a(n) MA in Public Policy, I know what works and what doesn't work. "

One thing that doesn't work is assuming your dealing with a novice and telling them to go watch American Idol.
That would be acting like an elitist and certainly wouldn't get you many votes in this climate.

I like policy as much as the next person but without the sizzle it'll end up nowhere. You have to win to be effective and that lackluster display last night is exactly why Democrats find themselves where they are. Palookaville. By the way I am a Democrat and not someone pretending. I'm a activist and contributor. I've worked in many campaigns going back decades. This particular Democratic Party is pretty bad .. Nancy Pelosi? Excuse me but she's a horrible leader. You need some sort of decent presentation and Kane's response last night didn't cut it and it didn't win any indie voters either and that's what's important here.