Too Little Too Late. A lita of shit will bring back Facism.

Time to send the commie shit down to the sewer .
GOD bless Sam and G.W. along with a special heart felt thanks to Rush Limbaugh , who incidently started the charge against the commies burrowing into all aspects of American culture and trying to destroy it , time to get them out of the education system at ALL levels , rewrite the history books with the truth , clinton the fuck-up , Reagan the MAN . Time to get cnn out of the airports , demand that they get rid of that brain twisting , lying crap from the airports , send cnn back to hell where it was spawned . Lefty you are free to piss yourself , we are taking it back . And remember , America's destiny should be decided by votes , not brainfucked libcomscum polls , polls violate freedom of expression , speech and just all out Americanism .

wouldn't solidarity mean all 44 United States Senators going against this guy? Leading to an unbreakable filibuster against Alito?

Here's a question, let's say the 7 Demos from the 'Gang of 14' vote to end cloture on Samuel Alito, is it possible they could be vulnerable in the next election? Surely the base of the Democratic party is dead set against this judge, will they come out in force for these very moderate legislators this fall after they are responsible for his nomination? Even if they vote 'No' on his confirmation, they were still the reason his nomination was able to get past a filibuster. Just a thought.

Are you saying he's not a natural born US citizen over the age of 35?

If there are any other qualifications, I'd be interested in hearing them, along with . . .um . . . can't remember their names . . . Al something . . . and that guy who married Heinz's wife.

Stupid is as stupid does....

Some people have no sense of humor, Lawson.

The Dem's need to learn how to pick their battles. They over-stepped in their oppostion to Alito IMO. This has harmed their credibility. The best they can hope for now is a strong vote in 'favor' of Alito once his nomination reaches the floor. Otherwise, many will view them as petty obstructionists.

Bush won the election--twice--get over yourselves!

And BTW--if Phil wants to Buster himself--over Alito--Bring It On!


Murphy

The dems need to learn how to battle, jeff. Bush wouldn't have gotten this far with an honest to god opposition party.

Alex,

I have to disagree with you on this one. The opposition to Alito was petty and trivial. He is imminently qualified. This is so typical with a divisive administration. The opposition can't help but overstate their postion, and ruin their credibility in the process. The right did it with Cliton, and will do it again with the Hildebeast. The Left has been doing it ever since W came into office. He's done plenty to warrant legititmate criticism. Yet, it the flames don't stop with legitimacy.

Yeah, that's right. The Dems don't need any advice from Republicans. They need to adopt the take no prisoners approach the Republicans have used since the Gingrich/Lee Atwater days.

First of all jeff...hardly any tough questions were asked this time either. I'm getting tired of the rubber stamp situation in washington. Only Myers didn't make the cut, and that's because she had ZERO qualifications.

It's fairly obvious that Alito dislikes abortion to the nth degree, and will help chop it down. He was looking for the legal means to sidestep it during the reagan admin.

Alex,

hardly any tough questions were asked this time either.

Whose fault is that? The Dem's on the committee wasted way too much time pontificating and fixating on trivial issues. It was pathetic. I was pissed. I WANTED true scrutiny. I wanted legitimate questoining. I was somewhat let-down.

Yeah, the democrats blew it as usual. They were last chance for some scrutiny on this creep, as the repubs were just sucking Alito's schlong throughout the whole ordeal.

It's BOTH parties faults.

Alex you mad Im back?

No. If Larry forgave you, then I wash my hands of it.

I also had no idea Rcade didn't know what you had said, so don't listen to idiots like rex who say I 'tattled' I made the thread to bust rcades balls, and was about to leave the site for good.

Hi Jackass, welcome back.

Anyone that thinks this country is stronger or better because one party (either party)
has successfully destroyed the other,
is fucking retarded.
Read Franklin
Read Jefferson
Read Lincoln
Read The CONSTITUTION for Christ sake.

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King Jr.

Man, Alito is going to make an incredible justice, I am just so thrilled that he will soon be confirmed by the senate.

The dems need to learn how to battle, jeff. Bush wouldn't have gotten this far with an honest to god opposition party.

Posted by alexandrite at 2006-01-25 02:01 AM | Reply

It is hard to fight back when your patriotism is called in to question, and supported by public opinion. The people who support bush so vehemently even in the face of all the problems are every bit as vicious and evil as the brownshirts. This view still seems to have a strong following. The country may go republican again in 06 even giving the Senate 60 seats. The country seems to be going the way of all the great right wing countries like Japan, Germany and Russia. Like them we will probably have to get much lower before we find ourselves and the future.

The people who support bush so vehemently even in the face of all the problems are every bit as vicious and evil as the brownshirts.

That just isn't helping anything, bob.

And, yes, the dems STILL DO need to know how to be dems. They basically voted to give bush the authority to invade iraq.

DUMB MOVE.

"If you believe in a woman's right to choose, there is no way you can vote for a Justice Alito."
--Diane Feinstein

As always. ALWAYS. Liberals think about nothing but abortion. It's not just the default setting, it's the entire switch: A/A.

Abortion is really about having meaningless sex with people you don't want to be around for the next 18 years. So liberals don't care about property rights, freedom of speech, national security or the integrity of the Constitution.

Liberals only care about fucking strangers, and then flushing the consequence down the drain. And then they wonder why voters no longer trust them with responsibility.

"The country seems to be going the way of all the great right wing countries like Japan, Germany and Russia."

Once again proving that Liberals are total retards when it comes to history. (Also economics, politics and religion, but that's for later).

Japan and Germany are trapped in socialist sludge ponds, which is why their economies have sucked for more than a decade; half of Japan's bank need to go through bankruptcy but nobody wants to eliminate the jobs. Russia is sliding back toward communism - the liberal dream taken to its end point.

Itiot!

Conservatives always, ALWAYS talk in absolutes.

"Liberals think about nothing but abortion."

Apparently you conveniently forget Nicevillageidiot"s daily abortion numbers Spermin.

"Itiot"

Enough said Spermin.

So liberals don't care about property rights, freedom of speech, national security or the integrity of the Constitution.

Bwahahahaha!

Who broke the 2nd amendment in New Orleans by having the army take away EVERYONE'S guns?

Who broke the 4th amendment with warrantless wiretaps?

I don't even like abortions, but i'm not willing to let idiots that can't balance a budget, win a war, or practice what they preach decide that big issue for anyone but themselves.

They basically voted to give bush the authority to invade iraq.

DUMB MOVE.

Posted by alexandrite at 2006-01-25 04:40 AM | Reply

Agree it was a dumb move, but when you have idiots like Hannity, Orielly and Limblaugh calling anyone who opposes the administration a "traitor" "terrorist", etc. it is kind of hard to be the opposition.

Politicians need to grow some balls and do what is right for America and stop acting on behalf of the corporations that buy and sell them.

Of course until we get some meaningful reforms in the campaign finance and election areas this will never happen.

Agree it was a dumb move, but when you have idiots like Hannity, Orielly and Limblaugh calling anyone who opposes the administration a "traitor" "terrorist", etc. it is kind of hard to be the opposition.

Tough! Doing the right thing is seldom easy. it often requires personal sacrifice, and the ridicule of fools. The dems are goin g to be tarred and feathered by hacks no matter what they choose to do...so who gives a damn?

As it is now, the dems are pretty much hated universally. They publically disagree with bush which makes them "traitors" yet they don't do it in a constructive manner, which just pisses everyone else off.

This whole thing isn't about the court, it is about Repubican and Democrat. Not right or wraong. Just politics. The Demons are bitter because they are not in power, and will do what ever they can to win at all cost's. Even slow down the appointing of an obviously qualified canidate.

wrong---- that is

Otherwise, many will view them as petty obstructionists.

Posted by jeffj

Past tense not required.

Seems everyone here agrees the Dems are acting like third graders who didn't get desert.

"hardly any tough questions were asked this time either. I'm getting tired of the rubber stamp situation in washington".

Concur. If Liberals think this is an isolated, one-sided case, read the transcripts of the Ginsburg confirmation hearings. It'll make you think the Alito hearings were an Inquisition. The Democrats at the Ginsburg hearings sounded like high-school cheerleaders in suits.

Predicition time: when Judge Alito becomes Justice Alito and the half-dozen states who are waiting in the wings attempt to make abortion illegal within their borders finally have their case in front of the Supreme Court, nothing will change. These guys don't get their robes by ignoring precedent.

If you all want to find a judge to rally against, how about you pick the scumbag who sentenced the child rapist in Vermont to 60 days because he doesn't believe in punishment anymore? You want "legislating from the bench"? That's your man.

Two words for all of you saying the dems are immature and focused only on abortion: Harriet Miers. Don't say Reps were against her because she wasn't qualified. Bush has gotten through many nominations who weren't qualified.

Whose fault is that? The Dem's on the committee wasted way too much time pontificating and fixating on trivial issues. It was pathetic.

Interesting that these republican right have to rely on the democrats to ask the right questions and get to the real data and facts and get quite upset when they don't.

I think the Dems are trying to do what they can to have a good run in '06. obviously they need it.

I have to say something here - I agree with many liberals (I know some conservatives will not like this) that our economy ran pretty well (relatively speaking) while Clinton was in office. Add to that how the spending has gotten out of control with republicans in control of everything.

I have come to the conclusion that we are much better off with division in DC. Such as a democrat in the WH and Repub majority in the legislative branch. I have always thought that if one party got total control then "things would get done". What a bunch of bullshit - I have learned a lot in the last few years.

I'm not talking about WMD or spying or illegal war and stuff like that. Mostly it is about the FUCKING MONEY! I know that GWB didn't invent "pork" but good GOD.

Clinton was grounded from doing a lot of stuff he probably wanted to do (Hillary too). I have always thought that was a good thing. I still do.

The Dem's on the committee wasted way too much time pontificating and fixating on trivial issues. It was pathetic.

Britt Hume did a piece on his show about how long both sides talked and guess what? It was pretty much a toss up. Dewine was the most long-winded with some members of both parties close behind him.

Rode,

The Demons are bitter because they are not in power, and will do what ever they can to win at all cost's. Even slow down the appointing of an obviously qualified canidate.

Interesting point of view. I would slow down the process even more, I would try to limit as much as possible what this republican administration is appointing. Slowing up the process and trying to limit the damage down to this country will just cost less 3 years from now.

The CIA's controversial program of having terrorist suspects captured and questioned on foreign soil began under President Bill Clinton, a former US agent says.

Michael Scheuer, a 22-year veteran of the CIA who resigned last year, told yesterday's issue of the German newspaper Die Zeit that the US administration had been looking in the mid-1990s for a way to combat the terrorist threat and circumvent the cumbersome US legal system.

"President Clinton, his national security adviser Sandy Berger and his terrorism adviser Richard Clark ordered the CIA in the autumn of 1995 to destroy al-Qaeda," the newspaper quoted Mr Scheuer as saying
We asked the president what we should do with the people we capture. Clinton said, 'That's up to you."'

Mr Scheuer, who headed the CIA unit that tracked Osama bin Laden from 1996 to 1999, said he developed and led the "renditions" program, which included moving prisoners without due legal process to countries with no strict human rights protections.

"In Cairo, people are not treated like they are in Milwaukee. The Clinton administration asked us if we believed that the prisoners were being treated in accordance with local law. And we answered, 'Yes, we're fairly sure."'

At the time, he said, the CIA did not arrest or imprison anyone itself.

"That was done by the local police or secret services," he said, adding that the prisoners were never taken to US soil. "President Clinton did not want that."


Un-Friggin Believable.... That Piece of SHIT!

He said the program changed under Mr Clinton's successor, George Bush, after the attacks of September 11, 2001.

"We started putting people in our own institutions - in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo. The Bush Administration wanted to capture people itself but made the same mistake as the Clinton administration by not treating these people as prisoners of war."

He accused Europeans of being hypocritical in criticising the US for its anti-terrorism tactics while benefiting from them.

"All the information we received from interrogations and documents, everything that had to do with Spain, Italy, Germany, France, England was passed on."

In the US, the Justice Department has asked the Supreme Court to intervene in the case of an alleged "dirty bomber", Jose Padilla, saying that a lower court had no right to tell the Bush Administration whether he should be tried in a criminal court or by a military tribunal.

The US Solicitor-General, Paul Clement, asked the court to overturn a ruling by an appellate court last week that essentially blocked Padilla, 35, from being transferred from a military brig in South Carolina to a federal prison in Miami.

The three-judge panel had said it was concerned the Justice Department might have decided to prosecute Padilla to prevent a Supreme Court ruling on Mr Bush's claim that he can designate American citizens as "enemy combatants" and imprison them indefinitely without charge.

Agence France-Presse, Los Angeles Times


It took Bush to do the right thing I guess... The libs here want the type of people who are soft on terrorism... Such as Billy Boy and Burger.... The Majority of America though, and Thank God for it want a Guy who is tough on terrorists... Like Mr Bush....

Bash away at that you distorted libs...

"Liberals think about nothing but abortion."

Apparently you conveniently forget Nicevillageidiot"s daily abortion numbers Spermin.

Posted by itsme at 2006-01-25 08:05 AM | Reply


just as rush said and still says....

this is the ANSWER.....this is the reply to the constant talk and attacks.
and cant someone remember the millions of lives lost to postcoitus birth control known as abortion.

If you all want to find a judge to rally against, how about you pick the scumbag who sentenced the child rapist in Vermont to 60 days because he doesn't believe in punishment anymore? You want "legislating from the bench"? That's your man.

Posted by FLYING_MUSTANG at 2006-01-25 10:14 AM | Reply


AMEN bro.....

democrats.....all of this crying about it should have been thought of in november of 04. here is the reason for the turnout of voters for bush. This and the FACT that there have been no more attacks.

national security
economic growth
supreme court appointments to turn the tide of liberal downgrading of society.

aint life grand????????

Bushlover.... Don't you love the way the libs here fall solent and ignore the post when your right??? They are due with the one line attacks any minute now.

I think that there are two sides to this battle, each with credibility. The question, in my humble opinion, is which has the most credibility. On the credibility of the right, you have to look at the past. The republicans agreed to Clinton's nominations, even though they were in conflict with their views, because the nominees were qualified. End of story. That's the way things have always been done. As to the credibility of the left, we have the question of if this presidency is different than others, and warrants breaking with tradition. It's a tough call, because this president does appear to do things HIS WAY ONLY (midnight budget vote, anyone?) And as someone who typically votes conservative, while I am a bit torn, I must say that I hope they shoot this nomination down. Not that Alito isn't qualified, because he is. But this president, in my opinion, has made too many mistakes. And if this is what it takes to slow down a 'his way only' presidency, due to 'his way' messing a lot of shit up, then so be it. And my pals on the right can feel free to bash this ideal, but in doing so they are supporting a guy who has blown fiscal responsibility, blown international credibility, and blown damn near every opportunity he's been given. But again, that's just my opinion. Well, and a few billion others.

Alito is probably the best we could expect from Bush. What kind of imbecile would expect anything other than a social conservative from him? At least Alito is qualified to do the job and has at times shown the ability to think independently.

I'm not saying I like him or his politics but we could have done much worse. Shit, Bush tried to give us much worse but was rebuffed in a rare show of common sense by both sides.

If you all want to find a judge to rally against, how about you pick the scumbag who sentenced the child rapist in Vermont to 60 days because he doesn't believe in punishment anymore? You want "legislating from the bench"? That's your man.

Posted by FLYING_MUSTANG at 2006-01-25 10:14 AM | Reply

Yeah, that makes me pretty sick. It doesn't matter what side you are on, this guy should have his gavel taken away and be beaten with it.

Especially when you think about the fact that, on the same day in Utah, a pot dealer got 55 years. Think about that: deal pot 55 years but rape a 7 year old and get 60 days.

"Think about that: deal pot 55 years but rape a 7 year old and get 60 days."

What if you rape a pot dealer?

zat-
He'll be in prison for 55 years, so I'm sure we'll have plenty of opportunity to answer that question.

"Yeah, that makes me pretty sick. It doesn't matter what side you are on, this guy should have his gavel taken away and be beaten with it."

Or let some sicko rape him and then see if he believes in punishing rapists.

"I'm sure we'll have plenty of opportunity to answer that question."

Let's play "Hide the Soap".

As Alito continues on his course to the SC and as the right under Herr Bush and Herr Cheney, as we fight a war in a country that never attacked us for reasons still unthinkable for the trusting majority, as our rights are violated and then claims are made that somehow the constitution doesn't mean what it clearly states, as the middle class slowly evaporates, as the deficit grows to astronomical proportions, etc. etc. I would just like to take the time to sincerely thank those who voted for Ralph Nader for their meaningless display of ego and their ridiculous idea that political parties are somehow unnecessary or evil. If a person is on a sinking ship they don't refuse to board another ship because it too may sink, no they board the other ship and try to prevent it from leaking as badly as the first one.
The Democratic Party may not be perfect but it does represent the will of its membership unlike the Republican Party which represents only the will of the wealthy or the fanatical Christians, anyone else in that party has no representation at all. Ralph Nader should apologize to America and all those who voted for him should get over themselves and join with Democrats to rid ourselves of the evil that is now destroying America. All I can say to Nader voters is that I blame YOU for the evils of this administration as much as I blame the administration itself.

Danni-
I voted for a third party, though not Nader. And I get the same crap from both sides as what you just said. And while I respect your opinion, I completely disagree. I voted third party because BOTH sides are owned and run by special interest groups. And these two parties are NOT the only two that have ever been around. It takes time to change the system, and I'm willing to invest that time... until or unless someone from either major party makes a major shift to blow out special interests. Just because the democrats may have been a better option doesn't mean they aren't seriously flawed. And if I have the option to thumb my nose and make a point that only those calling for serious reform will get my vote, then I'll take that option. All it takes is 5% of the vote for a candidate to get matching funds and enter the political arena as a serious candidate whose voice will be heard. I don't believe in plugging the leak in the dam with bubblegum, I want to fix the dam. So you can blame folks like us, and I'll respect your view. But your view is a short-term fix.

Talk amongst yourselves on this one: If McCain ran as an independent instead of bucking the more radical wing of the Republican part for their nomination, or if Lieberman did the same because his party has likewise abandoned him, would they stand a chance, even if they don't win, of establishing a Centrist party that appeals to the majority of Americans who are currently voting party lines even if they don't like 90 percent of that parties platform?

Matt. I'm with ya bro.

flying mustang-
Would they stand a chance? I don't know. I think they would stand a chance, but unfortunately, I think they probably feel too much loyalty to their parties... even though their parties have knifed them both in the back. I've always been of the opinion that politics is like religion, in that most people just follow who their parents followed. But a few, like me, break ranks. But I would vote for either one of those guys in a heartbeat.

"All I can say to Nader voters is that I blame YOU for the evils of this administration as much as I blame the administration itself."

That's funny because I blame people who always vote for one party no matter how bad the candidate is for the whole shitty system that produces one horrible candidate after another. You know why Bush is in office? Because Gore and Kerry were also horrible candidates (and I did vote for Kerry). Both major parties as corrupt. As long as you blindly follow one or the other, you support the corruption.

sully-
amen

I voted for Nader the first time.
Badnarik the second.

"I voted for Nader the first time.
Badnarik the second."

I really had to hold my nose in order to vote for Kerry. Won't do that again no matter bad the incumbent is (although one would have to really try to be more harmful than Bush).

Guess I just needed to learn the hard way. Not all of us can be nucular physiciansists or whatever ;).

Predicition time: when Judge Alito becomes Justice Alito and the half-dozen states who are waiting in the wings attempt to make abortion illegal within their borders finally have their case in front of the Supreme Court, nothing will change. These guys don't get their robes by ignoring precedent.
Posted by FLYING_MUSTANG at 2006-01-25 10:14 AM

I don't think Bush got as much help from Nader as Bubba got from Perot in both his elections. But that is what results from putting a weak candidate up for election, in each instance the losing party nominated, well, a loser.

I am far from a fan of Bushco, but as a lawyer I have to admit that Alito is a really good judge and except for Roberts more qualified than any appointment in the last 15 years.

What makes someone a good judge? What--or should I say whose--standards are we using? Seems to me the elephant in the room is the notion that a human being, any human being, can be objective all the time regarding all matters. Many factors go into the decision-making process that any one of us employ--experience, education, beliefs on any number of topics.

If there was such a thing as true objectivity and most people were capable of it, especially judges and juries, there wouldn't be split decisions and hung juries.

Sully
I vote in a rural Texas county (Bastrop). No way my vote would have mattered, anyway, if I had voted for Gore or Kerry. Not that I liked ANY of the candidates.

I want a "NONE OF THE ABOVE" vote.

just as rush said and still says....

this is the ANSWER.....this is the reply to the constant talk and attacks.
and cant someone remember the millions of lives lost to postcoitus birth control known as abortion.

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2006-01-25 11:08 AM

Yeah, those EVIL woman who premeditate murdering their own offspring for the pure pleasure of it. Oh, that and to just to piss off the right who are without sin. You know, the ones dickless balding fatasses like rush and niceEVILle never had and never will even have a remote chance of having sex with...

Hypocrites, all you neo-clowns.

God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes
'Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to choose

I actually like the idea of doing away with the electoral college. I would like to think that my vote is worth a little more than it actually is.

I'll answer in reverse order...

If there was such a thing as true objectivity and most people were capable of it, especially judges and juries, there wouldn't be split decisions and hung juries.

Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2006-01-25 02:41 PM | Reply

I know that my definition of a "good judge" seems like common sense, but you would be surprised at how few judges at all levels really fit that mold.

leftcoast-
I think that the obvious reason that many on the left cannot accept that Alito is a good judge is that they are not aligned with him politically. Therefore, in questioning his objectivity, they are being subjective. I don't align myself with him politically, but from what I've read, he is a good and qualified judge. I was never aligned with Clinton, to give another example, but I do think he was a good president.

I know that my definition of a "good judge" seems like common sense, but you would be surprised at how few judges at all levels really fit that mold.

Common sense? I have read a couple of Alito's judgements and I question the common sense and more toward emotional attitude. Hardly something we want as a supreme in making national interpretation of our laws. But that's just me.

Oh well libgressives, he is in you lose, not the US.

Buffalo_Bob
it's not the left's patriotism that i question it's their judgement-some issues
they see as key are not hot button issues
with voters in the middle -their attitude
towards the general public is one of condension-"your too stupid to understand"
that don't make a lot of friends
jasman

The article headline should read "Democrats united against democracy"

I love the fact that when this guy was confirmed as a appellate judge about 2 years ago he received most of the dems votes now that he is up for the supreme court and the dems see their power slipping away, He's not good enough. You lefties claim the repubs are in lock step but look at the dems unite against democracy. Bunch of losers.

Chan says, "It's frightening for me to think that almost half of the people in these United States are so easily (and completely) brainwashed that they won't believe their own eyes and ears..."

The term "propaganda" doesn't define whether the information contained in it is the truth or not. People, out of mental sloth, think of "propaganda" as saying that what the propaganda imparts is untrue. . .kind of stupid, on their part.

You, I think knowingly, prey on this general ignorance (as concerns the term) in order to lend the pretense that your own propaganda is the "truth" and which is nothing more than an effort to encourage partisan hatred. . .

Some "truth," right? Some "irony" is what I say. . .

That's fucking funny.
You're response reminds me of the way my dog tries to talk.
Occasionally something comes out that almost sounds like it makes sense.

"If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them."
Isaac Asimov

Chan blusters, "That's fucking funny.
You're response reminds me of the way my dog tries to talk. Occasionally something comes out that almost sounds like it makes sense."

What about the response did you find unintelligible? Too bad your own reasoning isn't up to rebutting something a mumbling dog could utter, isn't it?

Go on, you're a human being, give it a try. . .surely you can contradict a "dog" with to the point commentary. . .after all the "dog" can only mumble. . .

(Nah! Unfair to Billy, since his average abilities are only up to the level of dog characterizations. . .)

I actually like the idea of doing away with the electoral college. I would like to think that my vote is worth a little more than it actually is.

Posted by Matt_in_Texas1 at 2006-01-25 02:50 PM | Reply



matt.matt.matt.....

this is what people have said everytime they lose an election the old fashioned way.....

and if the electoral college was done away with, why should the states with more people in it have more power than the others...same reason the senate is set up like it is....and this IS the united STATES of america and that would be a further erosion of one of our more unique ideas..the powere of each state.


and someone mentioned mccain and lieberman...I think that would be a really interesting ticket and if they were independent, you might actuall see a really viable third party.

McCain and Lieberman.....



Hmmmm...

I think I like Lieberman more than McCain.

More of my mod side I guess.