Dick Cheney before he dicks you.
Sound familiar?

After all these years, I STILL don't know for sure why we're in Iraq.

Before all the pundits come on this morning and say this is no big deal, here's my prediction.

The Bush administration cannot; in any way, afford a trial for Libby. A trial would be an almost constant reminder of the lies that were told to justify the war. It would require Cheney to testify, and that would be disastorus to Bush.

To prevent this ever going to trial, Libby will fall on his sword and plead guilty to all charges. He'll serve three years in club fed, then get pardoned by Bush at the end of his term.

The NPR correspondent who reports on Dick Cheney's mouthpiece Lewis Libby is herself named Libby Lewis.

Coincidence...Or more vast right-wing conspiracy?

Libby better up the life insurance quickly. Military industrial complex don't like wussies.

Dick Cheney won't never resign. Nor will Rove. They are about power, and doing what it takes to hold onto it.

Obtaining a level of proof sufficent for a criminal indictment seems to be the new White House standard for shame.

Cheney will resign thus setting up the next Bush family member or surrogate to ascend to power. The Bush's do not intend to ever give the power up now that they have it and with the idiot voters that keep swallowing the lies the Bushies feed them ... perhaps we deserve this.

I don't see him resigning unless there's a medical problem and he opts out for health reasons. He needs an excuse.

And Bush won't get rid of him because he's now the Tar Baby of the administration. He'll deflect criticism from the president, and that's a good strategy for now.

I just listened to Safire on Meet the Press. He really likes to genuflect to the Republican party. When does it come to a point where revealing the identity of a CIA operative, Wilson's wife, is not a crime? What a bunch of crap! Here is truth twisted around 180 degrees.


There is no shame in Washington when it comes to screwing the little guy for the sake of the elite.

Good points about the republicans trying to spin this thing, ie..only one person was indicted, no law was broken, Libby only lied, Wilson is the root of all evil, Plame was not undercover, Rove is a big puppy dog.

But where is the debate heading? The cooking of the intelligence. This gives the Democrats something to pin on the administration. Hopefully they will keep up the pressure because, no matter what the apolgists say, this outing was a shamefull act of petty politics.

It is nice to see the country finally becoming aware of this administration's coruption. For awhile there it seemed like Bush and his cronies could get away with anything. Maybe America is awake now.

"For awhile there it seemed like Bush and his cronies could get away with anything...."

Indeed. They were the beneficiaries of a great propaganda campaign that included the deliberate gutting of their enemies, aided and abetted by the most passive press in the last century.

But here's the thing about propaganda: to be effective it has to be based on least a modicum of acheivement, especially regarding issues of war.

Otherwise, people begin to wonder why they keep sucking on that kool-pop but receiving no taste.

Sure, then GWB can install Jeb.

Cheyney will not resign-dumbya won't demand it. This morning on this Weak W/Judas Maximus I heard a rethug-a-pundit talk about how all this scandal proved was the need to repeal the 22nd Amendnent, because it made a Prez's 2nd term "Lame Duck"-This-I believe-is just the shot across the bow, over the next two years you're going to hear more and more wingnuts calling for the repeal of the 22nd Amendment. God Help Us if they succeed... Meanwhile-back at the fake ranch-boy moron is trying on coronation regalia-and looking in the Bible to try and find a justification for converting the US into a Theocracy. This really isn't anything new. The (Non)"Christian" Right(Wrong?)has been having wet dreams about this since forever. You can bet that they already have plans to set up the torture chambers and stakes to burn everyone to left of Flush Rimjob.
If there are any doubts about what a Christian Theocracy would look like-pick up a history book and look up the Spanish Inquisition. For those who believe Batty Pukkkanon when he sys it wasn't as bad as portrayed, don't believe it-the same Archives that the info about the Inq. came from was set up by the same people who set up the Archive of the Indies-back in the day when treasure ships roamed the globe. These archives are so accurate that even today-they can be gleaned for information on Spanish shipwrecks.

Well there is one big difference thus far vs. the Clinton scandals..

Everyone is still alive to date.

"First, Democrats should wipe the smiles off their faces. This is a
humiliation for the entire country, and their glee is unseemly.
Moreover, the situation is not that neocons are all crooks, but that
one vice-presidential aide must be presumed innocent of trying to
cover up conduct that may not have been illegal in the first place."

I love that. So carefully worded. Look -- worded like that -- no one's done anything wrong! Then let's just all go home. The country's in good hands.

The use of "but" usually suggests you follow it with an exception to the rule stated previously. Not here.

Essentially: "It's not that neo-cons are all crooks, but this one isn't, too, because we must assume he didn't cover up what may be a perfectly legal act." Huh?

Presumption of innocence is one thing, but this is an abomination to logic, common sense, and rules of grammar.

And please, if you want to talk about glee, chastise Karl Rove for being happy and saying he's going to have a "fantastic weekend". He's the closest to this thing. If there's any humiliation, he should be aware of it, sensitive to being in the crosshairs, reserved and cautious in this time of national embarrassment. But if anyone's got unseemly glee, it's Rove.

"a humiliation for the entire country"

Hey...this is a great way to sum up the Bush presidency!

Well there is one big difference thus far vs. the Clinton scandals..

Everyone is still alive to date.

Posted by niceville at 2005-10-30 04:14 PM | Reply

Nevermind the 2,000 dead from going to war under false pretenses -- dissent from which was ignored or they tried to shut down by threat of retribution -- which the investigation centers on.

...but I get it! You're following Stephen Colbert's logic! "Accidents don't count", so it's not really 2,000 dead. And if those peaceniks get their way, the war was a mistake, which means all losses were accidents -- so no one died!

Gotta' love neo-con logic.

FRank: If they repeal the 22nd, Bubba can re-up He'd kick Dumbya's ass without breaking into a sweat. And he's apparently got the moral high ground on GWB too, as far as the American people are concerned.
Look for Bush to pre-emptively pardon Scooter so he doeasn't have to testify against Cheney.
Bush may not have learned anything about Iraq from his daddy, but he did learn self=preservation.

Dick Cheney won't never resign.


double negative alert!!!!!!!!

now I am the last person to talk about someone's use of the language, but if I did this....there would be more than one post calling me stupid. if you dish it out, you have to be able to take it.

Answer one question for me: Has it been determined yet that Plame was actually a covert agent at the time of her outting?

Answer one question for me: Has it been determined yet that Plame was actually a covert agent at the time of her outting?

Posted by love2jam at 2005-10-30 09:04 PM | Reply


Yep She sure was. NEXT

Larry

All the media outlets that all say Plame was covert are full of shit. They all hate Bush, like most of the people on this site, so of course they will say she was the female James Bond,all the worse for the Administration you see.Covert my arse driving the beltway everyday to cia hq.ha,ha,ha

All the media outlets that all say Plame was covert are full of shit. They all hate Bush, like most of the people on this site, so of course they will say she was the female James Bond,all the worse for the Administration you see.Covert my arse driving the beltway everyday to cia hq.ha,ha,ha

Posted by controlledpairs at 2005-10-30 09:44 PM | Reply


Ummmmm welp You had better get in touch with the CIA Patrick Fitzgerald the FBI and let them know She wasn't covert because ummmm They all disagree with You. hahahahahahaha CP Must be desperate to deflect attention away from his Treasonous "Hero" Dumbya bwhahahahahah You are a trip CP LOL


Larry

"I (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."

FACT: Fitzgerald was to investigate the 'outing' of a CIA agent.

FACT: Wilson went public with classified CIA information and revealed a CIA operation.

FACT: Wilson is the one who endangered his wife's supposed 'covert' status.

FACT: Fitzgerald has nothing to say about the FACTS; except to bring an indictment against a Whitehouse employee for perjury. . .nothing at all about Wilson's being the proximate cause, in the effect that Plame was 'outed.'

FACT: There is the appearance that the CIA was involved in nepotism.

FACT: Fitzgerald does not investigate this normally important issue.

FACT: Plame was determined to be NOT 'covert' by Fitzgerald and avoids that that presents the appearance that the CIA attempted to cover up her status -- "cover ups" normally being a very important issue in criminal investigations!

Fitzgerald is a traitor to his oath of office in ignoring other indications of criminality, except finding a conflict in testimony!

Who can argue against any of this?

taddy Boy is lying so fully I can not believe He has the gall to come back here to state more lies and falsehoods. Typical Taddy Boy for You LMAO

Larry

Larry moans, "taddy Boy is lying so fully I can not believe He has the gall to come back here to state more lies and falsehoods. Typical Taddy Boy for You LMAO"

Talk about "lmao!" You don't attempt to rebut even one of the "FACTS," but just perform the typical Leftist idiocy of attacking ad hominem.

I posted this, here, because I am apparently banned from posting to Roger's "Workbench!"

I am so tickled pink at what appears to be a "ban," that I just had to comment on it, here.

Natches!!!

"Yep She sure was. NEXT

Larry"


Ok Larry, next question: Can you point me to your source of information for this fact?

Awwwwwwwww Taddy Boy I really didn't want to waste any of My valuable time with You but since You insist Ok I will first off.

You state
FACT: Fitzgerald was to investigate the 'outing' of a CIA agent.

Which He is CONTINUING on doing. This ain't over yet.

You state
FACT: Wilson went public with classified CIA information and revealed a CIA operation.

Total Fiction upon Your part. In no way did Joe Wilson IV Oped Piece give any Classified CIA Information. had he of done so the CIA would have had the FBI investigate Him. Nice try taddy Boy.

You state
FACT: Wilson is the one who endangered his wife's supposed 'covert' status.


No Sir that was the White House in an effort to discredit Joe Wilson by Outing His Wifes CIA status. It wasn't Joe Wilson who did the outing it was the WhiteHouse. Nice try yet again Taddy Boy.

You state
FACT: Fitzgerald has nothing to say about the FACTS; except to bring an indictment against a Whitehouse employee for perjury. . .nothing at all about Wilson's being the proximate cause, in the effect that Plame was 'outed.'


What part of it ain't OVER don't You get and quit Your Damned lying about Joe Wilson being responsible for Outing Valerie Plame that was the Fuckstains in the White House who have done it NOT Joe Wilson nice try yet again Taddy Boy.

You state
FACT: There is the appearance that the CIA was involved in nepotism.

Pure Fiction on Your part. Joe Wilson was chosen to go to Niger because He was VERY familiar with the place NOT because of who His wife is. Nice try yet again Taddy Boy.

You state
FACT: Fitzgerald does not investigate this normally important issue.


Puhglease Patrick Fitzgerald is an exemplorary Prosecutor. I would want Him Prosecuting me because I would know He was Honest and forthright.

You state
FACT: Plame was determined to be NOT 'covert' by Fitzgerald and avoids that that presents the appearance that the CIA attempted to cover up her status -- "cover ups" normally being a very important issue in criminal investigations!


Oh contrare. He most certainly did state that the Outing of CIA NOC Agent Valerie Plame was a very serious matter. What part of His Press conference escapes You Taddy Boy She was a CIA NOC Agent the most Dangerous classification of Spy. She was a naked Covert agent. Gee willickers You can not even be man enough to admit that Taddy Boy what a sham You are.


Fitzgerald is a traitor to his oath of office in ignoring other indications of criminality, except finding a conflict in testimony!

Who can argue against any of this?


Posted by tadowe at 2005-10-30 09:54 PM | Reply


Horseshit of the nth degree. Patrick Fitzgerald is a Magnificent Prosecutor above Reproach. How can You have the gall to state otherwise Hmmmmm ??


Larry

Who gives a shit about,Plame,Wilson,Libby or anyone else.NO ONE. The wet dreamers on this sit want the power back. The house and senate and white house. 06 and 08. Like it matters whos in office they all are a bunch of liars and money thieves who could care less about the people.

I wrote: FACT: Wilson went public with classified CIA information and revealed a CIA operation.

Larry replies, ". . .In no way did Joe Wilson IV Oped Piece give any Classified CIA Information. had he of done so the CIA would have had the FBI investigate Him. Nice try taddy Boy."

Information from any CIA operation is classified until it has been vetted, and cleared for publication or announcement; e.g., giving the 'okay' for the president to discuss Niger, Iraq and WMD issues in speeches. Indeed, the fact that the CIA is, or did, conduct an operation is classified, until clearance is received from them to openly discuss it; e.g., in "editorial comments."

So, either the CIA actively endorsed his partisan revelation (treason for complicity in partisan party politics by the CIA,) or Wilson broke the law in revealing (what turned out to be a lie) the information and operation planned and conducted by the CIA (and which revelation the CIA did NOT complain about.)

The rest of your specious denial(s) are just as illogical in the face of FACTS

Larry- I aint defending Bush I think the last good thing he did was to send us to Afganistan fyi. Hows that extra pinky doin?lmao.

What I Didn't Find in Africa
by Joseph C. Wilson 4th

Did the Bush administration manipulate intelligence about Saddam Hussein's weapons programs to justify an invasion of Iraq?

Based on my experience with the administration in the months leading up to the war, I have little choice but to conclude that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons program was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat.

For 23 years, from 1976 to 1998, I was a career foreign service officer and ambassador. In 1990, as charg d'affaires in Baghdad, I was the last American diplomat to meet with Saddam Hussein. (I was also a forceful advocate for his removal from Kuwait.) After Iraq, I was President George H. W. Bush's ambassador to Gabon and So Tom and Prncipe; under President Bill Clinton, I helped direct Africa policy for the National Security Council.

It was my experience in Africa that led me to play a small role in the effort to verify information about Africa's suspected link to Iraq's nonconventional weapons programs. Those news stories about that unnamed former envoy who went to Niger? That's me.

In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney's office had questions about a particular intelligence report. While I never saw the report, I was told that it referred to a memorandum of agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake -- a form of lightly processed ore -- by Niger to Iraq in the late 1990's. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office.

After consulting with the State Department's African Affairs Bureau (and through it with Barbro Owens-Kirkpatrick, the United States ambassador to Niger), I agreed to make the trip. The mission I undertook was discreet but by no means secret. While the C.I.A. paid my expenses (my time was offered pro bono), I made it abundantly clear to everyone I met that I was acting on behalf of the United States government.

Given the structure of the consortiums that operated the mines, it would be exceedingly difficult for Niger to transfer uranium to Iraq. Niger's uranium business consists of two mines, Somair and Cominak, which are run by French, Spanish, Japanese, German and Nigerian interests. If the government wanted to remove uranium from a mine, it would have to notify the consortium, which in turn is strictly monitored by the International Atomic Energy Agency. Moreover, because the two mines are closely regulated, quasi-governmental entities, selling uranium would require the approval of the minister of mines, the prime minister and probably the president. In short, there's simply too much oversight over too small an industry for a sale to have transpired.

(As for the actual memorandum, I never saw it. But news accounts have pointed out that the documents had glaring errors -- they were signed, for example, by officials who were no longer in government -- and were probably forged. And then there's the fact that Niger formally denied the charges.)

Before I left Niger, I briefed the ambassador on my findings, which were consistent with her own. I also shared my conclusions with members of her staff. In early March, I arrived in Washington and promptly provided a detailed briefing to the C.I.A. I later shared my conclusions with the State Department African Affairs Bureau. There was nothing secret or earth-shattering in my report, just as there was nothing secret about my trip.

Ok Larry, I read the article, and it's true, the author of that piece uses the term "covert agent".

So, I guess this means that sometime in the future, after Fitzgerald gets done with the false statement and perjury charges, we're gonna see an indictment for the much more serious crime of outting a covert CIA agent?

Somehow, I still don't get the impression that it's common knowledge that Plame was definitely a covert agent when she was outted. Seems to be quite a bit of controversy surrounding this subject. I'm very interested to see how this whole mess unwinds.