hahahaha, OMG!! What will these lunatics come up with next?

Tell them they are evil in the eyes of god and beat them with a stick.

This is great----

Meanwhile, the boy's father has to do his part. He needs to mirror and affirm his son's maleness. He can play rough-and-tumble games with his son, in ways that are decidedly different from the games he would play with a little girl. He can help his son learn to throw and catch a ball. He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole in a pegboard. He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a penis, just like his, only bigger.

Now, I'm no friend of the politically self-conscious, left wing homosexual, but I don't need Dobson to bear my torch.

That's pretty fucking bad, James.

Sounds like the United Nations, the far left liberals (excuse me progressives), and the Al Gore..John Kerry..Michael Moore crybabies....Go John Bolton!

a tendency to cry easily, be less athletic, and dislike the roughhousing that other boys enjoy.

Well, hell.

That sounds just like GZ and Alexandrite, don't it?

And ya'll ain't queer, are you?

There goes that theory.

Oh Brother! I was like "Lisa" in the story...more tomboy activities, than girl activities and I enjoyed them more. But, I'm straight!

After reading the the other links included, this thread is going to get lit up!

Hey, you can spot a ferry in training amongst a group of kids in a heartbeat. Don't tell me they don't have a point.

If your boy's favorite toy is a tea set, prepare thyself for him to bring his "special friend" Rob to thanksgiving dinner in 10 or 15 years.

calm down Mr BT, you're gonna make hot squirties all over your keyboard.

Thats fairy..not ferry. You're right.

Hey, you can spot a ferry in training amongst a group of kids in a heartbeat. br />

No but I can spot an illiterate son of a bitch from a mile off

My God! Where do they get this shit?! The article also talks about changing your children from gay to straight. So, here's a tip for those that think that works: If you are a gay man, and then go on a date with and have sex with a woman, you are still a gay man. If I have a butter knife, yet use it to cut a steak, I do not have a steak knife. I'm sure the guy who wrote this will be a guest on Hannity today.

Matt in Texas

I meant I can spot a kid that is going to grow up to be a transport ship.

Once again the militant neocon Christians at work with their reactionary, xenophobic, homophobic, teachings

I can prove they are right. What about that kid on "Who's the Boss?" I knew he was gay before I knew what gay was. Guess what? He's gay.

Matt:
Can you really expect more from an Organization like Focus on Family??
This is one of the most Christian Extremist organizations out there, doing business under the guise of a "family friendly" outfit.
Go to their website and check out some of the other pearls of wisdom they espouse.

The real question is, who cares if your kid is gay? Are you going to love him/her any less? If you would love them less I hope you die in a fire.

Pinche Mao,

No ... not queer. How about you?

So now you are considered homophobic if you'd rather your kid not end up gay?

A friend of my son's always wants to see his starfish. Should I read anything into this?

Concerned Dad

Somebody is trying to have it both ways... so to speak.

Claim that there is no genetic basis to homosexuality and then try and weed out the natural-born "sissies"?

What's that about?

And where's Dr. Keep It Anal when you need an expert?

This article is laughable. First of all Jesus Christ frowned upon roughhousing. Does that mean he is a homosexual too?

I have straight friends who do not conform to their gender role. Although we rib them a bit at parties it is well known that they are 100% straight.

I conform to my gender role and I am gay. I was a bit girly when I was a youth, and had no interest in going to school dances and things like that. As a result my parents suspected, and they turned out to be right. My dad did things like get me into karate and skeet shooting. As a result I am not straight, I am merely a homosexual one should not fuck with.

Karnac...errrrrrrrrrr I mean BT,
Come on man, you can'tpossibly think that outing Jonathon was some type of accomplishment can you? That kid was gayer than AIDS (i'm stealing that from another poster). Besides, what kind of homo was watching Jonathon when such fine ass spanking material as Samantha (and Mona...) were around?
Dobson approves of Roberts gay pro bono work so at least they aren't crazy 100% of the time.
If you don't want your kid to be gay take him to a whorehouse on his 4th birthday, I thought everyone knew that.

I'm a queer motherfucker, GZ.

The Big Queen.

A Leather Boy with the Magic Stick.

Whatcha doin' this weekend? ;)

Rock Hudson. Didn't see that coming.
Now Liberace, darling to all the Republican bluehairs, that was a no brainer.
Dobson has now officially moved from the talibaptists to the lunabaptists.
What worries me about this is that Nicevillageidiot will try using it in court as a defense. "Just dropped my pants at the playground to save all those boys from gaydom Your Honor".

homophobia ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hm-fb-)
n.
Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
Behavior based on such a feeling.

As a result I am not straight, I am merely a homosexual one should not fuck with.

Posted by Pleasantville at 2005-08-11 11:41 AM | Reply

Jonathon will be disappointed.

"He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole in a pegboard. "



BAHAHAHA!

Chair:
I'm with ya, I never even noticed Jonathan, I was way too busy watching Samantha.

What worries me about this is that Nicevillageidiot will try using it in court as a defense. "Just dropped my pants at the playground to save all those boys from gaydom Your Honor".

Posted by northguy3 at 2005-08-11 11:43 AM | Reply

Corky,
In the interests of being fair I should point out that Niceville is unfairly painted as the one calling people pedophiles. You continually lambaste him for it. Can I assume it's because you have missed the same actions from Northguy?

NG,
Liberace was gay? Grandma is going to roll over in her grave!

This article from FOTH is meant to be read by people who will no longer love their children if they are gay. It happens everyday.. Look at Alan Keyes and his daughter

You know, I find this kind of stuff down right ridiculous. I am a gay man. I am also very conservative, non-effeminate, and happy with my life. I am in a wonderful relationship with a person that I love very deeply, and who loves me very much as well. I consider both myself and my boyfriend to be normal, masculine guys. I doubt very seriously that most people would even guess that I was gay.

As I said, I am quite politically and socially conservative. I don't believe that the main-stream conservative movement excludes homosexuals, nor do I believe that liberals have done anything of any substance to "futher the gay cause". I believe that all americans are entitled to the same rights and protections of government (I'm not talking about marraige), and that homosexuals should be treated the same as hetrosexuals - no better, no worse. And I certainly am not offended by mere terminology, in fact I absolutley can't stand politcal correctness.

All that aside, I find this article to be the product of complete and total ignorance. It is a misguided effort to try to prevent the unpreventable. If a person feels a romantic and/or sexual attraction to members of the same sex, following the advice contained in this website will only disrupt and disturb the minds of most children, and they will carry that anguish with them for their whole life. Children, as they grow into adults, need to determine their own sexuality. Parents cannot do it for them. While I admire their intentions, they should focus their efforts on dealing with the depression that most often accompanies teenage homosexual thoughts. You can try to impose your will on an adolescent, but if you risk loosing them forever.

"a tendency to cry easily, be less athletic, and dislike the roughhousing that other boys enjoy."

That sounds like the liberals on this board.

"This is great----

Meanwhile, the boy's father has to do his part. He needs to mirror and affirm his son's maleness. He can play rough-and-tumble games with his son, in ways that are decidedly different from the games he would play with a little girl. He can help his son learn to throw and catch a ball. He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole in a pegboard. He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a penis, just like his, only bigger.

Now, I'm no friend of the politically self-conscious, left wing homosexual, but I don't need Dobson to bear my torch.

That's pretty fucking bad, James."

Pinche Mao, you quoted this to us, but I can't find it anywhere on the site. Can you tell me where it is? Because that's kind of disturbing; I really can't believe that a Christian website would post something like that. Where did you get it from? That's really interesting.

Everyone attacks Christians, saying they're ignorant and hateful. You can find posters talking about how "conservatives" say that homosexuals "choose" their sexual identity. Well, the website that this thread is from confirms what all of you "liberals" are saying; that homosexuality is not a choice, and they even say the things that you all say; Who would choose a lifestyle that is not accepted, etc. Why wasn't that included on this thread?

Research shows also that you can spot a "pre-conservative" teen or toddler:

1)wants to buy $200 worth of video games with a $10 bill

2)makes fun of Uncle Brian, who lost his leg in the war

3)walks into other peoples houses, messes up all their belongings and then becomes indignant when the house owners are not thankful for the mess he's made of their house.

4)wears a "WWJD" bracelet but, sleeps in on Sunday mornings instead of going to church.


If you see these signs in your child or the child of a friend, have them get help right away....you have a "pre-Conservative" on your hands, my friend!

"A friend of my son's always wants to see his starfish. Should I read anything into this?

Concerned Dad"

Get a dog or something. Starfish aren't very interesting animals next to dogs.

Jim

actually that could be applied to the Bush Administration.

Mao,

I read something recently about homosexuality in the animal kingdom.

Isn't there an old saying... something about "steers and queers" in Texas"?

Any limp-hooved bovines in your herd?

Well I have a liberal lesbian cousin who thinks we're born BI-sexual. Same program, different producer. You Too Can Warp Your Child's Brain.

Love 'em and boys will boys and girls will be girls.

pedophobia..the hatred of child molesters.
Thats what next on the left agenda...sanctioning pedophiles, and labeling their opponents with a "phobia".

Corky:
The saying is:
There's only 2 things that come from Texas. Steers & Queers, and you ain't got no horns.

How to spot a pre liberal:

1.) Loses his lunch money and believes it was stolen by Diebold.

2.) Will not play with toy SUVs.

3.) Prays to Hillary Clinton every night.

yeah visitor, that's the left's agenda alright. Although it's funny how many of these pedophiles turn out to be Republicans, for instance out here we got the Republican Mayor of Spokane having sex with teenage boys.

Mr. BT:
That was lame.

101

This thread is the first time I've seen NG3 make that reference. Perhaps he is fighting back, or maybe they have a history on the subject.

All I know is that Nville has made a multitude of such posts, and, as always, it is more obnoxious and hypocritical coming from a self-proclaimed "christian".

So, wanna hang out with DKIA in the bathhouse later? ;^)

What happens when a boy wants to be a cheerleader?
Oh, right, you elect him President.
And 101, I take second place to no man in slamming Nicevilleageidiot. And he would do no less in slamming me. The only difference is that he makes things up, while I have the Truth.
Besides, isn't posting muffin recipes listed up there with crying and wearing his mom's dresses?

should we start a pool to see how many commesnts this gets by say 5 PM EDT?
I bet it's the biggest site of the day.

Research shows also that you can spot a "pre-neo-lib" teen or toddler:

1)wants to buy $200 worth of Mikey Moore movies with someone else's $10 bill

2)makes fun of Uncle Brian, who lost his leg in the war

3)breaks into other peoples houses, tells them that they do not deserve all their belongings and tells them what to say and how to behave.

4)wears a "Hillary 2008" t-shirt but, can't find their ass with both hands.

If you see these signs in your child or the child of a friend, have them get help right away....you have a "pre-neo-lib" on your hands, commrade!

Briwophobia - def. (1) fear that you might actually believe some of the tripe Briwo posts (2) contempt for those named Briwo

Although the site does say "Homosexuality is rarely "chosen."

it also goes on to say the following . . .

Parents can help prevent homosexuality in their children.

There is growing evidence that change of sexual orientation is possible.

Homosexuality often results from early sexual abuse.

Homosexuality is a disorder

So in fact what are they really trying to say?

BT,

That was brilliant. Briwo can't find his ass with both hands.

What happens when a boy wants to be a cheerleader?

I think that is fine. Most guy cheerleaders are as big as a middle linebacker and they spend all their time with girl cheerleaders. That's not a bad gig.

MAO,

:)

Briwo,
Only number 3 was lame.
Should have included...
1. Still wets pants, shows no sign of stopping.
2. Thinks asking for school ID is racist

Got to go, time for a haircut and lunch, will finish list later..

B-itchphobia: the screaming fear and profuse sweating that occurs when you realize Box-itch is out there somewhere, alive among us.

"""Thats what next on the left agenda...sanctioning pedophiles, and labeling their opponents with a "phobia".""

No, I think the Catholic church beat us to that one.

I don't know how you people can sit here and critisize Focus on the Family. If you disagree with them or their agenda, that makes you a christianphobe. You don't want to be a christianphobe, do you?

Any limp-hooved bovines in your herd?

That actually happens in the feedlot.

Certain steers will secrete a hormone that causes other steers to mount him repeatedly. They call them "buller" calves---or "queers".

We'd have to pull those queers from their pen because they'd eventually wear down and die from the repeated attempts to ass-fuck them.

So we'd have a (seperate but equal) pen full of "queer" calves.

Such pens were always immaculate and well decorated.

Hey Twat Rot,

Mao may have a gay steer for you.

And you thought you could never fill a hole that size again!

GZ:

So in fact what are they really trying to say?

I think the point is that gay people do not chose to have their urges but can learn to control them. That isn't my style though. When I am in a relationship it is because we are attracted to each other mentally and sexually. I think that is the healthiest way to do it.

I don't defend anybody who is a pedophile...just people with the attitude that perversions can be justified...they stink..

Mr. BT: I LOVE being a christianphobe!!
as a matter of fact I have nothing but contempt for them, well ok, some ridicule too.

Sorta gives a new meaning to "home on the range".

Queer eye for the straight steer?

What are the constituent qualifications for the age of consent?

And I didn't know there was a NA Man/Boy Love association. Where have I been living - a cave?

Finally, is the difference between man/woman love, man/man love, man/boy love, man/infant love, man/dog love, and woman/horse love only a matter of degree or taste/preference? Can we as human beings differentiate between these in any other way than a 'I like chocolate - you like vanilla' manner?

If we divide these acts into catagories with labels of 'correct' or 'incorrect', what knowledge do we use to divide them?

And better yet, who comprises the 'we'?

I ask too many questions. But surely there is someone out there with answers. Isn't there?

GZ is in NAMCLA,

North American Man-Collie Love Association

Amateur: I think the key is consent.
2 adults can consent.
1 adult & 1 animal cannot.
Equating homosexuality to bestiality is pathetic.

Finally, is the difference between man/woman love, man/man love, man/boy love, man/infant love, man/dog love, and woman/horse love only a matter of degree or taste/preference? Can we as human beings differentiate between these in any other way than a 'I like chocolate - you like vanilla' manner?

The difference is called consent.

AmateurSocratic,

These are good questions that ought to be answered. We often debate these issues without defining any of the crunchy axioms our arguments are composed of. The guidelines set by the American Psychological Association work for me. I think man/boy and man/infant are defined by more than a degree of preference because in those cases the man is causing severe psychological (or physical in the case of the infant) trauma. Society will never accept such things.

A few posters have compared me to those sick bastards at NAMBLA. Well frankly to hell with them. If they lack the cognitive ability to differentiate between a consenting adult and a six year old child then I pity them.

Corky,

Responding to your own posts again?!

Hey Twat Rot,

Mao may have a gay steer for you.

And you thought you could never fill a hole that size again!
Posted by corky at 2005-08-11 12:05 PM | Reply
Sorta gives a new meaning to "home on the range".

Queer eye for the straight steer?
Posted by corky at 2005-08-11 12:09 PM | Reply

Corky, you are a sad, pathetic, little boy.

OK B-itch, what gives?, you never use our nicknames anymore.

nice comeback, twat rot

will surely go down in the annals (anals) of drudge history.

BTW- was responding to UmPappa Mao Mao, thank you very much.

remedial reading. it's not a sissy thing to do.... try it!

I bet some of you that are saying how ridiculous this all is would be the trying some of this stuff if you had a kid and you started to notice "tendencies"......


Jim

Given the fact Jeff Gannon, Dubya's number one favorite gay male whore is ex-Marine, maybe Dobson needs to rethink his game plan.

Does consent make it right. No, its the attitude "if it feels good do it". There is another term for that...sociopath.

OK B-itch

That was funny because you took the first letter of part of his handle, a "B", and then dropped the "OX". Then you hyphentated it with "ITCH" and thus created a clever way to call him "BITCH".

Good stuff, man.

Do another one.

Does consent make it right. No, its the attitude "if it feels good do it". There is another term for that...sociopath.

Please spare us the "bumper sticker" logic.

Jim

"I bet some of you that are saying how ridiculous this all is would be the trying some of this stuff if you had a kid and you started to notice "tendencies"

As a kid I played with toy guns, and I played "doctor" with little girls...I'm straight and proud of it...and I don't fantasize about little kids...mature females ...yes...!

Does consent make it right. No, its the attitude "if it feels good do it". There is another term for that...sociopath.

In the context of sociopathology, one must remember that a victem's consent is irrelevant. Therefore your comment doesn't apply to a guy like me who has sex with adult guys. Were I a sociopath I would be raping heterosexual males that I am attracted to. All things considered I could do it to - I'm freaking huge. But I'd rather not, there is no joy in that. So. I'll contend I'm not a sociopath. Thanks for playing.

I can tell, somebodys going to "bump" your "sticker"....

""I don't know how you people can sit here and critisize Focus on the Family. If you disagree with them or their agenda, that makes you a christianphobe. You don't want to be a christianphobe, do you?""

Well, if the criteria to be a "christianphobe" is to think that Focus on the Family is a bunch of right wing bigots, then I guess I am a "christianphobe." However, since the vast majority of Christians do not follow Rev. Dobson or any of his right wing crap I don't think that you can accurately claim that Focus on the Family is representative of Christian values. Were I a Christian, which I am not, I would really get angry about the right wingers trying to claim that they are representative of Christian values. Most of the Christians I have know have been very nice, open minded folks. Believe it or not, most of those who voted for John Kerry were Christians. I even know some gay Christians. Something tells me that if Jesus were to return to Earth he would have nothing but contempt for Dobson.

I can tell, somebodys going to "bump" your "sticker"....

Don't proposition me, I am simply not interested.

Pinche Mao,

It's all they got. "Bush is a moron." Illegal war in Iraq." "Christians are Nazis." "Religion is for the weak minded."

It's so predictable. I like to keep up with what the "enemy" is thinking, so I come to this site. Unfortunately, I don't get much of anything new. I need to find a new reconnaissance strategy.

""a tendency to cry easily, be less athletic, and dislike the roughhousing that other boys enjoy."

That sounds like the liberals on this board."

You might be surprised, visitor. Quite a few of the liberal men here are very masculine and straight. Some of us, in fact, are rather large and muscular men who played sports in school and enjoy things like hunting, fishing and the like. You should be careful with the stereotypes.

How did Dick Cheney's daughter turn out to be a lesbian? Must be Dick's influence...oh, sorry lack of dick...

It's so predictable. I like to keep up with what the "enemy" is thinking, so I come to this site.

This poor thing just cracks me up.

Danni,

Given the substance of many of your past posts, you are clearly a bigot.

Pleasantville

"All things considered I could do it to - I'm freaking huge."

LOL Go ahead and brag. I'm still more interested in breasts than cocks.

But you are doing well promoting your own depravity. Maybe somebody here will take you up on your solicitation.

Sad. So sad.

B-itch, please tell us why you are not using our nicknames anymore.

Given the substance of many of your past posts, you are clearly a bigot

This from the same fool who just stated that basically anyone who does not share its views is "the enemy". You just have to laugh.

Keep going Sweetpea.

"I need to find a new reconnaissance strategy"

Try pulling your head out of your ass.

(hey, I know, too easy)

12:31: Please enlighten us on exactly how Pleasntville is depraved, he hasn't said one depraved thing that I've seen.

Vis 12:26 - I don't know what you think I was getting at but I definitely wasn't condoning pedophilia so let me clarify -

I was saying that if they had a kid who showed some gay tendencies at a young age, some of the people who are saying this article is ridiculous would try to "un-gay" their kid just like the article suggests.

Jim

"""Danni,

Given the substance of many of your past posts, you are clearly a bigot."""

I guess if you are bigoted against bigots then you are in face a bigotaphobe. Guilty, I am a bigotaphobe, Dobson though is just a bigot.

I have come to the conclusion that the Stop the Boxitch(B-itch) that is now posting is NOT the orignal Stop the Box itch.

RCADE asked all to raise the level of the discussion after Walt posted Buffalo Bob's name, address and phone number and then BB threatened to kill Walt. (I think that is how it went.)

As a courteous guest, I am simply complying with our host's wishes.

B-itch: I don't think RCADE was refering to our nicknames, but I don't think you are the original Boxie anyway.

"B-itch, please tell us why you are not using our nicknames anymore."

Freepers always hide out when sunlight hits the rock they live under. Must be very sunny today where Itch is

But you are doing well promoting your own depravity. Maybe somebody here will take you up on your solicitation.


Could you expand on this notion? I stated that I am not a sociopath because I only have sex with consenting adults. You respond with a personal attack that isn't even funny. (Note: I respect personal attacks that are actually funny.) Each of us thinks the other is sad and pathetic. Fair enough. But at least I can make a good point.

Pville:
I called him on the same thing. No answer yet.

I can't help it if you also have a "hole in your moral fabric", and do not realize truth.

I don't have to be a christian to recognize an unnatural act. If you want to get shit on your dick/aids...go for it

How old are you?

No, Danni. You are just a bigot.

Visitor 12:40, thank you for showing your true colors.

And I almost forgot the pure athleticism of sitting at a ranch drinking beer all day.

45

If you want to get shit on your dick/aids...go for it.

I use condoms. You make all these assertions and you do not back them up. You state that you can recognize an unnatural act but you do not define what such an act is, hence implying a universal set of ethics. I do not think you are very good at debating.

One of my favorite people to debate this topic with is a devout Lutheran who thinks my lifestyle is very sinful. We disagree. A lot. We both also make good points that challenge the other person's perspective. We say things that inspire critical thinking.

You should try to be more like him.

Pville: I don't think he has the intellectual capacity, at least judging by his posts.

If consent is at the heart of the matter, then is it necessary for children to consent to anything we do to them, i.e. make them go to school, to sleep, brush their teeth, etc?

BRIWO: I'm not equating sex with animals and sex with any human. I've taken a number of sexual acts and asked how we can differentiate between them, if possible. I'm asking the question, can we say that either of them is 'wrong' or 'right'? And with what knowledge do we make those judgements? If consent is the key and animals cannot give it, does that make doing anything to animals wrong due to our inability to obtain consent?

And what makes consent the key determining factor? On whose authority did consent become the determining factor, if authority is the source?

Pville:
debating with the Lutheran must be like shooting fish in a barrel, once you debunk his belief in fairytales, what leg does have to stand on?

Amateur: What other determining factor could there be?
If 2 adults consent, and they are not hurting anyone, what they do in the privacy of their home in no one else's business.
Republicans & Christians seem to get a real charge and thrill out of this subject, hence the large volume of posts to this thread.

If consent is at the heart of the matter, then is it necessary for children to consent to anything we do to them, i.e. make them go to school, to sleep, brush their teeth, etc?

A child can not legally give consent to anything. You can ask if they want to do something or not, but that is not consent.

as far as making children go to bed, brush their teeth etc, they are minors and we are responsible for their upbringing so we don't need their consent for mundane activities and being minors they are unable to give consent for sexual activity.
Doing anything to animals that is potentialy harmful,dangerous, or outside their nature is wrong, yes, because they cannot give their consent.
ie: shoving a gerbil up your ass.

O.K. People...heres the truth.
When I was young, I cut out Betsy McCall paper dolls out of the McCalls magazine, I clomped around the house in my mothers high heels, and a boy friend and myself examined each others "tools". I also played with toy guns, toy soldiers, and played doctor with girls. Does this make me homosexual or bisexual? Nope. It makes me curious. I'm a flaming straight male, with two daughters and 4 wonderful grandkids, and a wife I am totally satisfied with. You can't totally imprint someone when they are young, no matter how many psychology reports you read.

Good observation 12:55 visitor, I'm sure most of us were also curious when we were little.

AmatuerSocratic:
If consent is at the heart of the matter, then is it necessary for children to consent to anything we do to them, i.e. make them go to school, to sleep, brush their teeth, etc?

I thought about this for a bit. I think the answer lies in what is accepted on a societal level as being good for the child. We have separate court and corrections systems for juveniles because it is known that they do not know what is best for them, and there are often times when they do not understand what they are doing. i.e. until they are adults, frankly, their consent in a matter is irrelevant. I have a friend who was molested by his aunt and uncle when he was a preteen. He notes that he liked it at the time but that does not change that it was wrong and ultimately hurt him. Conversely I hated going to school when I was younger. I was not there on the basis of consent. I had to go, and now that I am older, I understand how important it was for me to go. i.e. I would not be able to afford the awesome place that I am renting.

Briwo: I don't try to debunk his religion. We both just accept that we see the world different ways and focus on the implifications of our belief systems being accepted on a societal level.

Alex,

"GZ- Methinks Mao enjoys rolling around on the floor with men. oh, Im sorry..."wrestling" And he can take 9 inches without crying."

I just spit up half my coffee reading
that ...

You can't totally imprint someone when they are young, no matter how many psychology reports you read.


Keep in mind that the psychology reports most often used by Focus on the Family are the very same reports that got their "psychology expert" James Cameron thrown out of every professional organization that he belonged to. Paul Cameron is well known for rigging his findings. Most of his studies were deemed to be complete nonsense.

James Cameron

That would be Paul Cameron not James Cameron. One is a nut, the other directed The Titanic. My apologies to James Cameron.

Briwo: You are making the contention that consent is the determining factor. I'm asking you why you think so. Is "What else could it be?" a reasonable answer? When I go to the doctor and he makes a diagnosis, I ask why he thinks so, and he says, "What else could it be?", I need to know that he has reasons to elimintate everything else.

I'm asking you to defend your contention. Do so, or admit its just a personal opinion.

A child can not legally give consent to anything. You can ask if they want to do something or not, but that is not consent.

Posted by visitor at 2005-08-11 12:53 PM | Reply| IP

That's not 100% true. Statutory rape is still rape, but carries less of a sentence if the sex was not physically forced.

The only rational defense of of the principle of "consent" is to default to the legal statute which defines the age of consent.

Right?

"You might be surprised, visitor. Quite a few of the liberal men here are very masculine and straight. Some of us, in fact, are rather large and muscular men who played sports in school and enjoy things like hunting, fishing and the like."

Yep DC...This is very true! Although my liberal husband isn't a large man, he is very athletic. Don't you love those stereotypes?!

Nothing like a liberal man!!

Briwo,

speaking of Walt, do you think he was one of the contractors on those video tapes raping young boys & girls in front of their families as torture to get them to talk?

I will admit that I sometimes post things that are inflammatory, but 50% of the time I am just kidding. Unfortunately many do not see the humour and I get called all sorts of names, which makes it even funnier to post stuff like that. BUT, what have I ever said that would make you think I would go around raping young children???

Seriously, BB, and Ray honestly want me dead and you are implying that I rape young boys and girls.

That is just not nice.

Cheers

Amatuer: first you would have to give me an idea of what other determining factors there could be so I will have an idea as to what you are actually asking.

In my opinion and in the eyes of the US Courts, consent is the determinig factor.

"I'm still more interested in breasts than cocks."

A careful examination of this sentence would indicate that this person is bisexual. They're interested in both men and women, but more so in women than men.

I would guess a 6 or 7 on the exclusively homosexual (1) to exclusively heterosexual (10) scale.

That's not 100% true. Statutory rape is still rape, but carries less of a sentence if the sex was not physically forced.


That is sometimes the case but more a decision of the court whether the victim is deemed mature enough to understand what they have agreed to. This would only happen to someone who was 15 years or older. We are talking about much younger children here.

Also, in most cases of statuatory rape the person who was raped is not pressing charges. They are usually on the side of the defendant. When speaking of old teens, this can become a very grey area, but that is not the case with a 5 or 6 year old.

INWI,

Not about the liberal man again, lol

Cheers

Pleasentville: On what basis is society the authority for determining what is good for the child? Since at the present time society isn't a monolithic structure (if it ever could be), which society should we refer to derive our knowledge for 'the good of the child'? If the society in which you live is the authority for this knowledge and one society dominates and takes over a group of people previously outside the society, then is the conquering society just in enforcing their form of socializing children on this new group?

Walt
I don't want you dead. I promised you a beer and drinking with the dead is a wake.

Hi INWI!

Walt, ray said he wanted you dead?

And what did you expect from Buffalo Bob? You posted his phone number on a blog.

So BT 1972 I guess what you said would stand true IF your daughter plays with trucks when she is a little girl she is destined to become a lesbian???? Highly unlikely probability...

Hi Walt...good to see you here!! And we have had that discussion already...haven't we?? lol!

Zat,

Thanks for that bro. I may be in Florida in about 4 months, I will let you know when I am back. Also what do you think of a 2003 Cessna P210 Silver Eagle? I am looking at getting one.


Alex
Walt, ray said he wanted you dead?

And what did you expect from Buffalo Bob? You posted his phone number on a blog.

Yes Ray did say it, and do you think that someone needs to die for posting a phone number?

Cheers

Yes we have INWI, and it was a good one. How are you?

Hi Alex...are you behaving?? lol!

Sup 101? Where is Gunny?

AmateurSocratic:

I am not sure exactly how society determined what is best for children or how it became empowered to enforce those views on the citizenry. I have not thought about it critically because I agree with the current system. (i.e. children must go to school and are not allowed to have sex with creepy old men.)

But when you consider that someone can go to jail for statutory rape even though the victim is on the side of the defendant, society has obviously taken authority for determination of what is best for children. That is true. I could not tell you how the system came to be however.

If our society dominates another group of people previously outside the system, then yes, I suppose that the conquering society will enforce their view of what is best for children on the dominated society. It happened very recently, in fact. I do not believe the Iraqi government will ever use children as land mine detectors again. That is an example of a victory for the children in question. I would not be surprised if there have been instances where the dominating culture's views of what is best for children turned out to be a defeat for the children. I just can't think of any right now. Can you?

I'm great Walt...you sound better today.

"do you think that someone needs to die for posting a phone number?"

Well people have been killed over less......

Jim

2003 P210?

Cessna is stil making the P210?

I thought they were just doing the 172, 182 and 206.

Post a useful phone number.
The Bunny Ranch or Paris Hilton's cell.

Zat,

No they are not, the airframe is 1980ish but the Siver Eagle is an enhancement package.

I am also considering a Pilatus PC6 Porter.

Mr.BT:

Is 45 right?? Let me tell you something...I have been surrounded by boys my whole life, brothers cousins, and my best friends are males. I have only a few women friends...I don't like the gossipy, backstabbing crap that most of them do, so I actually prefer having more men as friends. Although they're just as stupid sometimes!!

I played in sports from little on and prefered that to playing with Barbies. (although I did twirl baton for years). I couldn't be more straight! You're ridiculous.

Oh yeah,

Bunny Ranch is 1-888-286-6972-624

Old wives tales now becoming science. Same nonsense as intelligent design.

The Laughing Deadman

101,

I am looking at a few boats as well. As for the rest of that post, that was funny, and send me your email address again, I lost it!

Zat:

Paris Hilton??? Oh God...yuck! You just dropped a level..lol!!

INWI,

Is the baton that kept you straight?

lol

Cheers

What is wrong with Paris Hilton? She is hot!

INWI Glad to se you.. I'm with you on that one. Also I can't stand wearing dresses, just not comfortable in them prefer jeans and the stiletto look personally..and I am straight as can be..just not straight laced...LOL

Walt:

I guess...the only female activity I had kept me straight..what a theory!! lol!!

I hated girl stuff!!

Hey, you can spot a ferry in training amongst a group of kids in a heartbeat. Don't tell me they don't have a point.

Posted by mr_bt1972 at 2005-08-11 11:28 AM | Reply

Wow, you have the power to be able to distinguish between children and a rather large seafaring vessel usually used in the transportation of vehicles and/or people? Damn, you're good!!

sorry Walt, I was making a sarcastic remark at your expense.
But since you are there, what do you think of the tapes that show contractors raping young boys and girls in front of their families?

Fed judge ordered the release of the tapes an video but DOD is defiant.
John McCain has seen the tapes and is said to be outraged.

Oh Walt...the woman is a skank. If I was a guy, I wouldn't touch her!

Some time ago someone hacked Paris' PDA and published a bunch of phone numbers. That's the Paris Hilton reference. I do think if she does another porn video she should use better lighting.

"I suppose that the conquering society will enforce their view of what is best for children on the dominated society... I would not be surprised if there have been instances where the dominating culture's views of what is best for children turned out to be a defeat for the children. I just can't think of any right now. Can you?"

I sure can; it's called the Kansas Board of Education (or is that "bored" of education?). They just voted to teach intelligent design in science class. The curriculum goes something like this:

Day one: The universe is just too complex for us to fully understand, so it must have been created by a Christian God.

Day two: The proof we have is.....um.....

Day three: We also cannot conceive of the possibility we could be wrong, or ever proved wrong. Just ask Gallileo.

Day four: Um, wait....DON'T ask Gallileo!


Danforth

"You just dropped a level..lol!!"

Not really.

She's a scrawney skank compared to The Goddess.

Walt??!! Paris Hilton??!!
can you say SKANK??!!!??
What next your're gonna tell us Pamela Anderson is hot?

45:

I don't mind wearing skirts or sundresses...but I'm with you on the heels thing. Actually, I could be all dressed up and barefoot and that would suit me just fine!

INWI,

She may be a skank, but she is hot. Totally hot. Not Angelina Jolie hot, but hot.

Briwo,

OK. But I do not know about those tapes. If it is true it is sick. I am trying to think of who MAY have been in a position to ever have needed to do that and I am having a hard time coming up with one.

POSSIBLY, some "Name withheld" employees that work closely with the intel gathering/ counter-intel group but it is so unlikely. If it is true, I hope they hang the bastards.

Cheers

Good to hear that Zat!

Briwo,

Pam Anderson was hot, she is not anymore, just like Anna Nicole, but Paris... ahh Paris, that is one hot chick and skank or not... I would.

Walt
You really need to get to Miami Beach for a while. Or the Riviera. Hanging out in the ME has ruined your taste in women. Hell, at least in Viet Nam the locals girls were pretty!

Whatever you say Walt...I really don't look at women and try to decide if they are hot or not!! lol!

OK Walt:
From what I've heard/read, they have 84 or so pics and 8 videos showing children, boys & girls, being raped in the presence of their families as a method of torture to get the families to talk.
The rapists are indentified as contractor's.
Bush admin refused to release tapes & pics, McCain & another Repub Senator (name escapes me now) have seen them and are outraged, they say the sound track is worse than the images because of the screams.
Fed judge said to release them, DOD said they won't.

Briwo,

Further to last. I am not implying or agreeing that there is a situation where that would ever be needed. Poor choice of words.

Walt: I concur with Zat, you need some more R&R.

Zat: I am totally with you on the Vietnamese girls........

I think I'll let you guys talk about hot chicks and go find a different thread for some other form of "stimulation"..lol!

INMWI:
they have vibrating threads????

Briwo,

Pam Anderson was hot, she is not anymore, just like Anna Nicole, but Paris... ahh Paris, that is one hot chick and skank or not... I would.

Nah I ain't particulary fond of skirts, I'll wear them if necessary, but not my forte...Stilettos can make the raggiest of jeans look sexy so that is fine with me.. Angelina over Paris any day if I was a guy....

How is some Vietnamese girl hotter than Paris???!!!

You guys are smoking something.

Pleasant: In my opinion, I find 'society' to be a unstable adjudicator of what is 'good'. The conquering of eastern europe by the Nazi government and their subsequent laws regarding Jews and the children of Jews were certainly not good for the conquered and, in my opinion, not good for children in general. In fact, I don't have to limit myself to Jews and children of Jews but they are a clear example. The Czechs, Slovaks, Poles and Ukranians can speak to the Nazi treatment of their children as well. I can find little difference between children of jewish families and children in general. Note that, in general, most people find the laws the Nazi goverment put into place 'wrong'. How can society be wrong? Against what did these people judge that society's acts? I guess you could argue against the Nazi goverment being a 'society' but if the Nazis weren't the dominat expression of German society for that era, how did the Nazi goverment go on for so long?

Briwo: I don't bring a medical dictionary to the doctor's office and give him alternatives to his diagnosis. I ask him to back up the one he made, and question him on his assumptions regarding the facts. If I find his reasons illogical, only then do I offer an alternative or I go to another expert.

The courts and the Supremes in peticular write 'opinions'. They are people put into those positions by society, being other people. In our system those opinions become expressions of law. Are these expressions of law by judges, being people, the determining factor of the 'good', consent being the 'good' determining factor in our discussion? If the Supremes are the determining factor of the 'good', then how did the Supreme's decision on Dread Scott come about? Does the SCOTUS institution confer upon its members the authority to determine the 'good'? As well, if the Supremes came down with another decision against something you believe to be 'good', who's opinion would be of higher authority? Your's or their's?

Gotta run over to the machine shop and shear off a chunk of aluminum. Be back when I take a riveting break!
Cheers and beers!!

"You guys are smoking something."

Not since Thai Sticks, kid.

amateur: in my opinion, consent is it.
If you have a better indicator I would be more than happy to review it & discuss.

"I like the skinny super-model look, and Paris has it."

What ever floats your boat, you old goat.

;^)

aaahhhh Thai sticks, man I wish they would come back.

INWI check your email

She is OK, but not hot. She looks French

Why don't we take advantage of the "contact us" area on this site and let the Focus on the Family people know how we feel.....


I already did and it is easy.

Alright, what are Thai sticks? Are they anything like LBFMs?

OK, bra sizes everyone...Lets go!

AmateurSocratic:

In my opinion, I find 'society' to be a unstable adjudicator of what is 'good'. The conquering of eastern europe by the Nazi government and their subsequent laws regarding Jews and the children of Jews were certainly not good for the conquered and, in my opinion, not good for children in general. In fact, I don't have to limit myself to Jews and children of Jews but they are a clear example. The Czechs, Slovaks, Poles and Ukranians can speak to the Nazi treatment of their children as well. I can find little difference between children of jewish families and children in general.

That's certainly an example of a government that enforced its views on people previously outside of their system. And it turned out to be bad for children. I can't refute that because it is very true. However to my knowledge the Nazi government was not flexible to the needs of the people. It did not change in response to protest. I see some obvious contrasts between that and democratic societies. Is it possible that a government that is responsive to the needs and desires of the citizenry is more able to determine the true needs of children? I contend it is so. Were I to consider changing the status quo - forbidding our democratic society to determine what is best for children - I would require examples of democratic societies a) doing horrible things allegedly in the best interest of children and b) refusing to change said policies as a result of dissent.

BRIWO:

That is not the kind of stimulation I was refering to..mental stimulation..dork!!

Not Hot?? Are you crazy???
I guess to each his own.

Thai sticks are really good seedless pot, usually from Thai land, wrapped around a small stick and then dunked in hash oil.

INWI: ;-)

Hey, I went on vacation last week, did anything ever come of that spoofing chairborne, Jeff & I were doing? That was some funny stuff.

This whole conversation is proof that as long as you keep politics out of things, anyone can be friends. I love you guys!!! lolol

Or maybe chicks, planes and boats are the great "uniter".

I know, if we don't talk politics we could all ahve a beer together.
You should have seen the spoofing 101, Jeff & were doing about 2 weeks ago, it was freakin hilarious.
101's imnpression of CaliChris had me crying I was laughing so hard and it was dead-on too.

LOL...BRIWO!! Yes...that was funny!! But you guys had Larry really upset. He doesn't like to be spoofed..so in the future...leave Larry be.

You, 101 and Joe are the best spoofers!! lol!!

BRIWO...I was there....lol!!! Chris's was the best, I agree!! He did't care for that either!!

BRIWO,

That chick is foul! She has a messed up fingher and besides I think "she" may be a tranny from Brazil.

"In my opinion, I find 'society' to be a unstable adjudicator of what is 'good'. The conquering of eastern europe by the Nazi government and their subsequent laws regarding Jews and the children of Jews were certainly not good for the conquered and, in my opinion, not good for children in general. In fact, I don't have to limit myself to Jews and children of Jews but they are a clear example. The Czechs, Slovaks, Poles and Ukranians can speak to the Nazi treatment of their children as well. I can find little difference between children of jewish families and children in general."

So you use what happened to ethnic groups to back up your discrimination of sexual orientation. Lame.

Will do INWI, sorry Larry!

Walt: that was Leah Remini, and I gauarantee she ain't no tranny.

I didnt say she was a tranny, she just looks like one

If you ever see re-runs of the show King of Queens, check her out.

anyway, where were we?

Walt: Hot? no, do her for practice, Yes.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, I've never been a blonde guy anyway, like dark hair & eyes.

Briwo, OK, but I am not into the blonde chicks either, Paris is just too sexy.

So what are we going to argue about?

Briwo,
No, not much came of the spoofing. CalifChris and Larry were pissed but beyond that it wasn't mentioned.
I kept it up for a couple of days after that (spoofing Larry) and so did joe, but then it just fell to the wayside. I did get "Jim" too. I set up a fight between the two of them (by first posting as Jim and then answering "jim" with "Larry"...I thought it was pretty frigging funny but that's about it).
OK, now that we have that cleared up...Bra sizes?

101 -

Now that I've got this confession under your "logged in" ID, you WILL be hearing from my attorney.

Larry Mohr

OK let me try this,

If your kid starts acting gay, beat him silly and when he regains consciousness, beat him again, that will teach him not to be gay.

Kindest Regards,

"If your kid starts acting gay, beat him silly and when he regains consciousness, beat him again, that will teach him not to be gay."

Did it work on you?

Buffalo Bob

Absolutely frightening. For one, I am gay, not by choice, by genetics, not by "preference" by inate sense. I played sports growing up all through College, I was a boy Scout, and I joined a Fraternity. I dated girls. When I finally figured out that it was actually men that I was attracted to, I went with it. And honestly, I have never been happier. I was never sexually abused, I was never tormented by my peers. Ouside forces do not make one gay, it is something that cannot be "changed" anyone who says otherwise is a liar. Thanks for reading my thoughts.

101...what are you doing??? AND why???

Damn, there are a lot of gay people on this site.

Rob, are you a liberal also?

Outside forces do not make one gay, it is something that cannot be "changed" anyone who says otherwise is a liar

So it is inside forces that make you gay? Do inside forces make you say, an alcoholic? Can you stop being an alcoholic?

If you wanted to be straight you could, just look at Paris Hilton. Duh.

Cheers

101,

That was mean.

BRAVO!!!!!!! For You RobberDobbs!!!! Bravo For You! I have always said it not something you decide to do!! One is born that way just as one is born with grey eyes.. Stictly Genetics!!

101

And disgusting.

Walt,

Tell me when you chose to be straight. I want to know when it was you were tempted by homosexual activity, when you had become aroused by another guy, and when you decided that you would go the other way. Answer this question honestly or forever shut the fuck up about this topic.

101:

Could you BE more disgusting if you tried??

Eva,

Such anger, are you gay?

The only thing "angry" about my post was the use of the word "fuck." If I agree to take that out, re-post the question, will you answer? "Fuck" makes a stronger point, wouldn't you agree?

InWi,
Check IP's!!! How many times a day are you fooled by the spoofs? That's Jim getting even with me.
But...If you meant I was disgusting because of "Bra sizes" then I will admit, I have a boob addiction.

Damn fine job Jim.

And yes, Walt, I am gay. I am not effeminate, I have always been athletic, I participate in a sport in which I can easily be killed (and have suffered broken bones, torn ligaments, etc.) 'cause possible death is life-affirming (?).

I'm tired, quite honestly, of people with no experience in the subject stating such matter-of-fact bullshit as you did. That's like white people in American telling black people that there's no such thing as discrimination based on color.

Now answer the fucking question. I answered yours.

INWI, 101 has been on a sick kick as of late. First I recall he said he'd "do" Katherine Harris, and if memory serves, he thought "Mona" on Who's the Boss was also hot.

Eva,

I do not care if you are a friggin Olympian. If you are gay you are effeminate. Guys are for girls and girls are for guys. Now I know you have a bunch of pre-programmed responses to that, save them.

I do not care if you are gay, just do not expect me to accept you and think you are "normal". You are not. That is fine, neither are "Goth" chicks, that doesn't make them bad, just weird and different.

You don't see me prancing around in Heterosexual Pride parades do you?

Cheers

101:

I checked before I posted...I thought I had it right this time..lol!! Damn it!! This spoofing screws me up!!

Katherine Harris does have some attractive qualities BTW

INWI, 101 has been on a sick kick as of late. First I recall he said he'd "do" Katherine Harris, and if memory serves, he thought "Mona" on Who's the Boss was also hot.

Posted by evashogouki at 2005-08-11 03:28 PM | Reply

Eva,
Come on admit it, even though you don't prefer women, Mona was do-able! I always wanted a piece of that since "Soap".
Yes, I also admitted to wanting to nail Harris after 10 beers.
If you think that's bad, what do you think about the fact I'd have nailed Nell Carter just to look at those tits of hers?

Walt:

You are wrong about being gay and effeminate. I have met a lot of gay men and you would never know it by looking at them or watching them. A couple of them I looked at and thought...man, what a shame they're gay!! I would have gladly..and I like the athletic type!

101:

I hate to tell you buddy...Mona would not even be in my top 1,000 list!! You're starting to worry me!!

"If you are gay you are effeminate. "

Bingo! You've just won the award for Drudge Moronic Post of the Day! Congratulations.

Walt, nor do I "prance around" gay pride parades. Yet, despite my discomfort in seeing transexauls, effeminates, etc., I do not purport to know what's going on inside their heads, nor do I seek to change them or condemn them. It's about tolerance.

Some gays are effeminate, some are not. Some straight guys are pretty limp-wristed, some are not. Effeminate means to carry one's self with an air of womaness. What's less "womanly" than two guys going at it?

Now answer my question. You clearly stated that being gay is a choice, I posted a simple question to call you on it. Thus far you have not addressed it.

INWI,

There are gays out there that work out and would be considered to be attractive by women. Acknowledged. But wanting to have sex with other men makes them effeminate.

Not all gay men are like Jim J Bullock, Jonathon from Who's the Boss, Roy Horn, and Tony Little (he has to be gay right?).
Anyway, there sure are a lot of gay dudes on the drudge.com.

Holy crap, 101. What do I say? Yes, Katherine Helmond must've been hot in like, the 1890s, but dude! Next you'll tell us you've fantasized about Bea Arthur and Jean Stapleton!

My advice is to seek a 12-step program.

Nobody is answering anybody elses questions until I get my questions answered...Bra sizes!

Eva,
Tell me more about this "Bea Arthur"...
OK, I was joking about Mona, but not Nell.

I just saw a broad on Maury who had freakin' P-cups!

101, your ride has arrived.

Eva,

You are reasonable. I do not feel any hostility coming from you, well maybe a little.

I do not need to answer your question because doing so would imply that there is a choice. You intend to make the argument that you did not have a choice, and maybe you didn't.

I do not need to justify my "straightness" and I will not start now.

I am happy to carry on the dialogue, but I am not going to fuel your argument. You are different, accept it, just don't expect me to.

-Walt

Real women don't wear bras.
At least while they're young and perky.

Walt:

I used to bartend at a bowling alley, years ago. The weekend after Thanksgiving, they closed it to the public and had a gay bowling tournament. I AM TELLING YOU....nothing effeminate about some of these guys!!

101:

I don't know what to say to you..lol!

Walt,

If you are gay you are effeminate. Guys are for girls and girls are for guys.

Do you base femininity and masculinity solely on one's sexual partner? If so does that mean a guy who wears pink short-shorts and a feather boa who coincidentally loves the pussy is masculine? Or do you base this belief from never having met a gay person whose sexuality was a surprise to you?

101:

And who told you Man-carpet Diving was an extreme sport?

If you are going to say something like that I hope you have never complained about anyone on this site offending you by making fun of your beliefs or people who believe in the same things you do.

101, maybe you could do all the Golden Girls at once. Sophia, Rose on top, Bea Arthur beneath, SuAnn Niven from behind....

Sorry, Rue...

Rock Hudson mincing around in those baby doll pajamas, who'd have thought he was gay?

INWI - Honestly, I read your post so quickly that I thought someone else had signed it. Not sure that I would have posted that if I knew it was directed at a woman. Actually, probably would have considering I'm still laughing now.....

But just so you know, I was just trying to get 101. It wasn't an attack on you or anything.


Jim

Er, that was Rock Hudson prancing around in pajamas.

Yeah, he sure was effeminate. *sarcasm off*

If you are gay you are effeminate. Guys are for girls and girls are for guys.

Do you base femininity and masculinity solely on one's sexual partner? Yes If so does that mean a guy who wears pink short-shorts and a feather boa who coincidentally loves the pussy is masculine? He is a freak and needs help having met a gay person whose sexuality was a surprise to you? Yes, I have met guys that were cool as hell, all the chicks loved him and he was attractive, and low and behold, he was gay

Cheers

Walter, I AM reasonable.

I expect the same from others.

When you make such a statement, it is you who fuel the fires. You who support the notion that our sexuality is chosen. In order for your point (which, BTW, you made) to be found valid, you must prove that there is in fact a time when an individual makes a choice to be attracted to either the opposite or the same sex. If this stood true, then we ALL have made such a decision. If you didn't, then how can you assume that I or anyone else has?

See how simple that is?

"Yeah, he sure was effeminat"

Do you think Doris Day ever had a clue?

Walt?? Katherine Harris too?? Ok you have been in a combat zone too long.

And it wasn't Mona, it was Samantha, I knew she would grow up to be a hottie, but then she turned into a skank, sorry, I can't go where Fred Durst and Justin Timberlake have been.

Eva,

I see your point. I am not fuelling fires however. You are trying to convince me that you are a normal everyday guy. You might be, but for the fact that you are gay. That makes you different.

Do you think I should look at you the same as any other guy? You are not the same, unless you live in San Fran, and I do not live there. And San Fran is different.

Jim:

Jeff J. will be looking for you for scaring me like that!

briwo,

She looked hot at the Florida election thing a few years ago. Or she looked like Cruella DeVille, either way, somewhat hot.

101:

And who told you Man-carpet Diving was an extreme sport?

If you are going to say something like that I hope you have never complained about anyone on this site offending you by making fun of your beliefs or people who believe in the same things you do.

Posted by Pleasantville at 2005-08-11 03:40 PM | Reply

Relax tiger, Eva's sexuality means absolutely nothing to me. He is another poster in a long line of posters that I've joked around with. If he took it the wrong way that's one thing, you taking it the wrong way is another, fuck off.
Eva,
Let's not get too crazy, the Golden Girls are too much for me (Especially that Rue!). The girls from the view though...that's a different story...First up Barbara, then Joy...maybe both at the same time!...Anybody know where I can find the mother from "That 70's Show"?

101,

That is just sick and offensive. Who needs the R&R now?

Walt:

Do you base femininity and masculinity solely on one's sexual partner?

Yes

If so does that mean a guy who wears pink short-shorts and a feather boa who coincidentally loves the pussy is masculine?

He is a freak and needs help

You didn't give a straight answer the question and I can see why. By your definition of masculinity the guy who you have called a freak (I will not argue) is masculine.

By your definition a guy who wears panties is masculine so long as they belong to his wife or girlfriend. If you disagree with that statement you should revisit your definition of masculinity.

Chair: Which Mother?

101:

Relax tiger, Eva's sexuality means absolutely nothing to me. He is another poster in a long line of posters that I've joked around with. If he took it the wrong way that's one thing, you taking it the wrong way is another, fuck off.

Actually I didn't take it any way. I was wondering whether you complain about people offending you by making fun of your beliefs.

Now kidding Walt!! 101....please...stop...you're giving me the creeps!

Briwo,
Well there is the hot one and then there is the one I am talking about...Mrs. Foreman!

Pleasantville,

Somehow you have chosen to interpret direct answers into some sort of representation that only you can understand.

What do you want from me? If you could suddenly change my thinking and make me agree with everything that you say, what would it be, same for you Eva? What is the outcome of your arguments?

Briwo,
She is decent, but have you confirmed that she is not a lady-boy?

"Anybody know where I can find the mother from "That 70's Show"?"

One of my buddies in high school had a wet dream about Rhoda his freshman year(forgot the name of that show but the actress was Valerie on Valerie's Family years later). I don't know who he told first or why he felt the need to give up that info, but he heard about it all through high school and beyond. Its still likely to be brought up even today.

Jim

Focus on the Family: Reinforcing gender stereotypes one page view at a time.

If you want a good laugh, read the FAQs section. The don't even like Harry Potter because "Rowling admitted she researched witchcraft" to write the book. Hahaha. J.K. Rowling is the devil!!!11eleven!tyone!!!111

I thought this was funny based on personal experience.

"State universities are breeding grounds, quite literally, for sexually transmitted diseases (including HIV), homosexual behavior, unwanted pregnancies, abortions, alcoholism, and drug abuse."

I think that's pretty much all colleges. I've spent some time with friends that went to Christian schools. They know how to party there too . . . I wouldn't have visited if they didn't. Acutally, the only one night stand I've had was with a girl at a christian school. I guess the devil made her do it cause she was devilish in the sack. :-)

regards,
Theo-logic

Walt: Yes, it is Tanya Roberts, she was in Beastmaster ans has been in Playboy.

Yet again, another gay thread and Chairclown checks in.

Curiously enough, he's logged in instead of using "visitor".

Got something to tell us Nancy?

101, Tanya Roberts will always be hot (and I"m a homo). Kitty would just be fun, but can you imagine that laugh during sex? (Shudder.) Also, I took your joke in stride - it was funny.

Walt, I'm no longer going to pester you to answer my question - it's obviously made you uncomfortable.

You seem to have a misconception that I am looking to be viewed as "normal." Actually, I think being the same as everyone else would be pretty damned uninteresting.

I just want you to think about every stage of your own life, every "natural" thing your body told you about attraction. How you first became interested in girls. It was no different for me (aside from the gender), and it was no more a choice for me as it was for you. I am like you in nearly every way save sexual preference. I just want you to think about that, perhaps before you state homosexuality as a choice. You may choose to ignore what your body is telling you, but that's not a choice of sexual preference, it's a denial.

Briwo, wasn't Tanya also an Angel for a brief time?

Yes Eva I think she may have been, not sure though, wasn't she one of the later Angels?

Chair!! Nameless visitor is calling you out! Literally!

"They know how to party there too . . . I"

In the late 60's the highest college prenancy rate in Texas was at Baylor.
Say hallelulah!!

Eva,

Thanks for those parting words. Accuse me of being in the closet. That is classic. Keep justifying to yourself and you will continue to happy.

Cheers

Jim, how can you cite "Valerie's Family" and not know the Mary Tyler Moore show or Rhoda? Sacrilige. Valerie Harper as sex symbol? Your friend needs counseling.

Personally, I always thought Carol Brady as sex symbol.

Walt, I did no such thing. If you read it that way, that's not what I meant. I don't care. I am comfortable in my own sexuality.

And what precisely am I "justifying?"

How about Maude??? hahahahaha

Zat,

I tried to send you email, but yet again, mail problems. Hopefully it will fix itself because if I had it my way I would shoot the server and install an Islamist fundamental server in its place!

-Walt

Somehow you have chosen to interpret direct answers into some sort of representation that only you can understand.

What do you want from me? If you could suddenly change my thinking and make me agree with everything that you say, what would it be, same for you Eva? What is the outcome of your arguments?

"He is a freak" is not a direct answer to a yes/no question, sorry. I don't want anything from you, I am just pointing out probable non sequitors.

What is the outcome of your arguments? Same as mine likely. Passing time by posting on a politically charged website.

And if you re-read my post, you'd see that I make the assumption of your opposite-sex attraction. I am not trying to "win" with you, just to debate your earlier statement. You've essentially addressed everything I've written save the actual original argument. I don't get that. If you feel strongly enough to make such matter-of-fact proclamations, I would assume you're not just pulling your "facts" from your behind.

Briwo, we've already covered the Bea Arthur Attraction Syndrome.

sorry, must have missed it, will go back and look.

I had a really good friend who was gay, and him and a few of his gay friends would have "I Hate Kate Jackson" parties, never could figure out why.

Eva,

Are you comfortable in your sexuality? If yes, good on you. Are you comfortable with the fact that I do not think you should be able to get married to another man? If yes, good on you. Are you comfortable with the fact that you are a minority, and that most dudes are not gay, and no matter how much gays work out they will still be gay? If yes, good on you. Are you comfortable with the fact that you are a minority and no amount of reasoning is going to make me think you are normal? If yes, good on you.

And none of what I say is meant to be hostile, it is just true.

Cheers

I have just read your posts, which were posted while I was still typing. I am being a little emotional and I apologize. This is therapeutic for me, and I appreciate your opinions, even if I do not agree with them all of the time. I will wait until you have a chance to read this before I post. My connection is very slow here, so sometimes I end up making statements that I would not normally make.

Cheers

Is My Child Becoming Homosexual?

No....why, what have you heard?

If you worried about your child "becoming" homosexual, it's probably too late.

Our basic personalities are heavily set before we're even out of diapers.

Hold your babies and love them. Show them that you care. Show them that they matter to you. That "let them cry" crap is for the birds, as far as I'm concerned. But, I'm no professional.

I believe anyone worried about being "manipulated" by a baby has already got issues themselves.

In other words, you're a control freak. Sorry about being so blunt.

Walt, I'm comfortable - and utterly private - about my sexuality because I can either do that or be miserable. What would you choose?

I don't really care if you think same-sex marriage is wrong or not - it's not germaine to the discussion (did I get that wrong, is it "Jermaine" as in greasy-Jackson?).

I'd have to be pretty dim to think that I am in a majority position. Actually, were that true, we'd probably not be having this discussion.

What does working out have to do with sexual preference?

Again, I never sought the label of "normal" from you or anyone. My folks thing I'm pretty normal, however.

Just a bit of advice, if I may presume: Don't make statements that you cannot explain or back, else someone may call you on it.

And if you don't care about me or anyone else being gay, then try to avoid gay-themed threads, especially when you're just expecting "pre-programmed responses."

.45Cal,
Your Uniform Of the Day will BlackSheer Top, Black Mini Skirt, and Black Spike Heels.

That's An Order

-Sarge

Walt, I read your last post, and thank you.

All things being considered, what you posted really wasn't inflammatory, especially compared to what passes for normal discourse on this topic here at DR.

I got to give you credit for having big-ass balls, though, in your chosen field. I know others give you shit about being a "merc," but that's like "would you eat dog shit for a million?" Uh, no. Not enough money in the world. Can't spend it if you're pushing up daisies.

All I can do on my side is to try to "humanize" a topic in hopes of inspiring some empathetic thought, rather than the "I"ve heard," "They've said."

Personally, I prefer a younger Garth Brooks myself. But, alas, I'm "married" for nine years now.

Keep your head down, buddy.

Peace-out, Napoleon

One thing homos have, in general, is taste. Paris Hilton is actually quite unpleasant looking - especially in the new Carl's Jr. ads. Do you guys like 'em "damaged"? I think Kate Hudson is far, far hotter.

l8r

And fathers....

Set good examples for your sons. Treat your wife with respect. Physical contact during an argument is inappropriate.

Interact with your sons. Don't think you have to be the "problem solver" all the time. Just spend time with your sons. They just want your time.

Try not to let them spend too much time alone. They need "down time" but they also need to interact with YOU.

Don't force yourself on them. On one hand you need to keep in touch so you can guide them, if they get into things they shouldn't. But, then let them build confidence by allowing them to slowly take more and more control of their own lives.

Good parenting isn't easy. I am a parent myself and things turned out ok (it was a team effort with my wife).

If you were abused as a child, remember that under times of stress, you may imitate your parent's behavior towards you. (they probably imitated their parents behavior)

Break the family traditions.

"Now answer my question. You clearly stated that being gay is a choice, I posted a simple question to call you on it. Thus far you have not addressed it."

How about you let Danni answer it for you. Married twice, three childern, now a lesbian. Now that sounds like a choice to me.
BTW - All gays are limp wristed, no matter how tough you talk. Contact sports you could get killed in? Yea right, playing drop the soap in a bath house cant kill you, I mean you might get a penis jammed in your eye, but you will be fine.
BTW2 - Contact sports you could get killed in, that statement right there shows what a wimp you are. I boxed, wrestled, football, dont ever remember worrying about being killed.

Paris is not the hottest, no arguments here, but she is still hot.

That was addressed to evapollock or whatever that handle stands for.

Yes Eva, Kate Hudson is far hotter than Paris Hilton, Walt has been in the hot sun in a combat zone for too long.

Paris is hot, but she's had to many miles put on her, or should I say in her.
That drops her to a 2.

How about you let Danni answer it for you. Married twice, three childern, now a lesbian. Now that sounds like a choice to me.
BTW - All gays are limp wristed, no matter how tough you talk. Contact sports you could get killed in? Yea right, playing drop the soap in a bath house cant kill you, I mean you might get a penis jammed in your eye, but you will be fine.
BTW2 - Contact sports you could get killed in, that statement right there shows what a wimp you are. I boxed, wrestled, football, dont ever remember worrying about being killed.


In other words you can't answer the question? Just cut to the chase and say it already.

2ndcrusade: you are an ignorant ass.
think there are no gay NFL players?
No gay Marines?
No gays who could wipe the floor up with you?
You are dead wrong.

Ok, so while focus on the family is certainly good for a few good laughs.... the flip side of this organization NAMBLA... is downright scary.....


quoted from they're website...

"NAMBLA's goal is to end the extreme oppression of men and boys in mutually consensual relationships by: "

Forgetting the fact that we are talking man on man action here.... adult on youth action is against the law for good reason. NAMBLA seriously is pedophile's anonymous... michael jackson sorta pedophiles...(the kind that don't leave dead young naked bodies in remote areas of the forest).

Anyhow... read over the NAMBLA site... makes the focus on the family site seem entirely logical LOL.

BTW3: Sounds like Crusade's BTW sounds like the voice of experience.

ElWizzator

No she isnt. She is sexier, but not hotter. Paris is way hotter.

Crusade. You were a wrestler? Sounds like repressed feelings.

Walt: Have a cool drink bro. You're delirious.

He likes rolling around on the floor with other guys while sweating and wearing tights.

He likes rolling around on the floor with other guys while sweating and wearing tights.

And being on all fours in front of another man. Nope, no issues at all with Crusade.

Crusade, Danni will tell you she was always a lesbian if you asked her, instead of assuming. She will tell you that she did her best to try to live up to the expectations of others, but in the end gave in to the realization of her true nature.

Actually, people die in motocross quite frequently. I lost a friend late last year, have had a friend in a coma for two months and who is permanently brain damaged.

Keep stomping your feet and tossing your feces like a shithouse monkey, everyone here laughs at you (and I suspect behind your back in "real" life).

Bri,

Dude,

Be real! Look at the picture I linked to earlier. If your first reaction isn't "DAMN! I would do that!" Then maybe you should talk to billjohnson. Seriously bro, she is hot. Tell me you wouldn't hit that!

Who do you think exudes sexuality more than her?

P.S. Janet Reno doesn't count

I walked into that one, should just left it at boxing.

Walt, are you confusing "hot" with "slutty and vaccuous?" If so I see your point.

Is there anything from FOTH about lesbians? Or is it all about men showering with boys to show them their large units?

I walked into that one, should just left it at boxing.

Yeah, two half naked, repressed, gay men hitting each other to get the feelings out.

"FOTF"

"I walked into that one "

At least you didn't back into that one.

motocross is not a contact sport you dip shit, its not even a sport.

Funny how "masculine' behavior is the myth surrounding homosexuality. Reminds me of that great All in the Family episode where Archie's linebacker buddy turns out to be gay. I mean, wrestling is a very competitive and difficult sport, but, c'mon, it does seem pretty damned gay. Football? Ever seen those tight pants and the "hike"?

There are whole sub-cultures on gays that worship uber-manly, masculine military-type guys (Walt beware).

Don't get me started on pro wrestling.

Eva,

There is not a man here that would not hook up with that. (ahem) Paris is Paris. She needs to be explored. So what if she screws a bunch of dudes? You have dudes that pay 20M to get on the space shuttle, I would pay 20M to get on Paris. That is one hot slutty sexy chick.

Walt:

You're STILL talking about Paris Hilton?? There is not hope for you?? lol!!

Eva:
Put some training wheels on your bike if you're scared.

Bri,

Nice link, way hotter than Paris.

BTW - All gays are limp wristed, no matter how tough you talk.

I hit hard enough to break a concrete slab. If I tried that with a limp wrist the bones would shatter upon impact.

Walt, I'm worried about you. You need some shore leave, if you know what I mean. What they hell is there over there for you? Lyndie "Peppermint Patty on Crack" England? If I could put that in a care package, I'd send it.

"I hit hard enough to break a concrete slab. If I tried that with a limp wrist the bones would shatter upon impact"

You're full of shit, or dick. You dont hit hard enough to break through a wet paper bag.

Walt! Finally some light creeps it's way in!! hahaha.
Yeah if you Google Jennifer and then click on images and then search there are a ton of hot pics of her.

Crusade, I'm sorry that your life is boring and it sucks. But please don't take out your misery on the rest of us. You know as well as I that happy, well adjusted and *intelligent* people don't post the shit that you do.

2nddouchebag: I bet he hits hard enough to knock you out, one punch.

You're full of shit, or dick. You dont hit hard enough to break through a wet paper bag.

No, I really do hit that hard. Just one slab for now. It is a nice start. I am nowhere near the level of the guys you see breaking through over a dozen on ESPN.

Eva:
Poor little Eva the tough guy, dont cry.
I got to get back to work anyway. Now you all take heed to what Dr. Dobson says.
Later

c'mon Crusade, we can make a PPV for charity event out of it for all of us Drudgies, we'll have a webcam.
Pville knocks you out with one punch and he can send the money to the Aids Foundation or Lamda Legal Defense Fund.
He doesn't and you can send the money to www.godhatesfags.com

wadda ya say?

look at him run!! Do I detect a swish?
Come back crusade!!

I would be all about kickboxing for charity. I would not be interested unless he is a heavyweight though. It would be unfair to 2ndCrusade.

Eva,

It's not about "masculinity". It's about mentoring.

I mean, you don't hear women asking, "what is a woman?".

But, a college could offer an entire major on "manhood".

My opinion is the "women's movement" overlooked that important little piece of the puzzle. Sometimes, it's almost like some of them meant to hurt males. I'm probably off base, but I sure haven't seen much over the years by women talking about the importance of mentoring young men.

hmmmmmmmmm.....

Just my opinion...

Briwo, Crusade (in all incarnations) is the original inflammatory troll, spouts his shit and runs. In life, this cannot be a happy, successful person, and no matter how many times he tells us otherwise, you know he's on the sexual-preference fence.

Pleasent:
"I hit hard enough to break a concrete slab. If I tried that with a limp wrist the bones would shatter upon impact."

One more point before I go. It takes a jackhammer or sledghammer to break through a concrete slab. You're speaking of motar slabs about 3/4 inch thick that are use in landscaping. Them damn things break if you drop them from a height of 3 inches.

If you dont like that pic, then you are definately ...

"Jim, how can you cite "Valerie's Family" and not know the Mary Tyler Moore show or Rhoda? Sacrilige. Valerie Harper as sex symbol? Your friend needs counseling.

Personally, I always thought Carol Brady as sex symbol."

I was born in '73 so my favorite show was probably The Superfriends when that show was on. Alhtough I'm sure I've seen it enough on reruns where I should know that...... And yes, dude does need counseling.

Jim

Walt, I admit that's a pretty darned good "heavily re-touched" photo. So keep that one. Just don't goo up the keyboard.

"Motocross is not a contact sport, dipshit"

Crusade.

And golf, "the sport of the gods' (your quote) is?

Comic Relief at it's best.

Golf is a sport? I thought it was, as Mark Twain said, a good walk spoiled.

Eva,

Lol

I said I am going to bed, besides, the monitor is the one that should be worried.

OK enough of that, see ya around

Have a good one.

Cheers and goodnight. This time for real.

-Walt

2ndCrusade:

Not according to ISKA.

Hell, I have seen a guy break a cinder block with his head. While it was on fire. There is some really hardcore stuff going on in the martial arts. Heterosexuality is not a requirement to compete.

"Motocross is not a contact sport, dipshit"

Writes Crusade in his typical fashion.

My original post:

"And yes, Walt, I am gay. I am not effeminate, I have always been athletic, I participate in a sport in which I can easily be killed (and have suffered broken bones, torn ligaments, etc.) 'cause possible death is life-affirming (?)."

Note lack of any mention of "contact." Of course, if you rode, you'd know that it's very much a contact sport.

Fucking loser.

Actually I am curious - what kind of sports does 2ndCrusade play?

Eva:

Motocross is pretty cool. Make them bitches eat dirt!

And take if from the voice of experience, contact with the hard ground from 25-feet up at about 40mph - sometimes head-first (don't ask) is at least as rough as getting hit by a 300 pound lineman.

"Actually I am curious - what kind of sports does 2ndCrusade play?"

Hide the sausage.

I bet you have a helmet in the shape of a penis. Hide the sausage is your game! Remember you're the one thats gay.

Tell me, the gay motocross tracks, do you ride through mud or do they replace it with shit.

2ndCrusade: Come on dude. That is not very aerodynamic. And you are the one who is thinking of phallic helmits.

utter brilliance, utter brilliance...quite dazzling in fact.

C'mon, Cruising Sade, you know you like the cock. Just come out and you'll feel lots better. Geez, you don't even need to be that astute to see it.

2nd crusade at his finest, showing off that All-American education. I bet his parents are proud.

Just couldn't stay way Crugay... um I mean Crusade?

You dont really have to do any jumps on those gay tracks either do you. All the moguls/jumps are shaped like butts, and every rider drives through the crack.

I mean, all you have to do is check the history of Drudge's gay-themed threads. First, you'll see that Cruise has a much higher number of posts there than with non-gay topics, and you'll also find the highest number of penis and anal sex reference of any poster. Face it, the dude makes Jm. J. Bullock look like Axl Rose.

Sounds like Crusade's wet dream.

There ya go again: The rest of us see a set of motocross doubles or triples, while Crusade imagines them as male asses.

And, no Crusade, you can't blow me like you suggested in that private e-mail; I have my standards.

I'm just screwing with you guys, Eva, and Pleasent you have a nice weekend. I know I will, I'm flying to Vegas Sunday for a 4 day Financial Statement seminar.
8 to 4:30 then the evenings are mine.

Have a safe flight, and don't lose the family farm.

"Inside forces" meaning inate sensibilities. Once an alcoholic you are always an alcoholic - you can choose not to drink but you are still an alcoholic. Being gay is something you are, not something you do. No one forces me to have sex with another man, I choose to actively engage in sexual contact with men because that is what my body tells me to do, that is what feels natural for me. And no I am not a "liberal." I am an Independent, used to be a Republican before they got off message. If you look at the very foundation of Republicanism - Jefferson, one of the founders of the party believed in a small national government, states rights and individual freedoms - the current Republican party has strayed SO far away from what the basic fundamentals of the party are, Jefferson would not even recognize it today.

Damn, Robber, how dare you try to steer us back on topic...

Again, do these guys FOTF talk about lesbians? Or is it just about doing "manly" things such as roughhousing and comparing pee-pees?

What can I say Eva? I like to hear opposing positions to the "suggested" topics. Walt's argument is disconcerting to me though - the comparison between being an alcoholic and being gay??? It's so elementary...what does the rest of middle America think?

I'm guessing they focus mainly on men as they are obsessed with gay men and male sex in general.
If these FOTF types would just come out the world would be a better place.

Is your Child Becoming Homosexual?


Nope.

Did not make that choice.

Carry on.

Frankly, I would rather they were batting for the "straight" team...I don't want to have to claim hateful militants as my support system...

that reminds of me of something funny I heard in SF one day, I was on the 18 Castro ( a bus) and it was crowded, standing room only, we get to a stop and this guy is trying to get to the door and he's yelling "coming out, coming out"
a very lispy voice from the back says" Oh goody! When's the party"?
The whole bus was howling with laughter.

"Nope.

Did not make that choice."

And when did you make the choice to be straight, Niceville? Was it a tough decision?

BRIWO - That's funny, yet another example of a gay/lesbian persons quick wit and superior intellect.

Robber: I agree with you, the funniest people I know are gay.
When we lived in SF alot of times we would be the only straight couple at a party,the guys would have fun with my wife by hitting on me in front of her and the gals were constantly trying to switch her.
Those were good times. I miss SF, but not the freaking real estate prices or the heat or lack of seasons.

When did you make the choice to be ignorant Nicey?

When he decided to be christian.

The one thing not mentioned is the one item that explains homosexuality......it's called genetics.


Jack

The one thing not mentioned is the one item that explains homosexuality......it's called genetics.


Jack

You don't know...Jack.

;0)

C'mon, let's not Christian-bash (Niceville's not really one, anyway, else he'd not write what he does). So...

Even after going 'round and 'round with Walt (bless his soul and his horniness for Paris Hilton), I'll pose the same argument to that bastion of reason, Niceville:

Okay, Nice, simple logic for you. Since you maintain that being gay is a conscious choice, I would like you to regale the class with the details of your own "choice." I want to know when you first realized you were attracted sexually to a member of the same sex, and then I want to describe how it was you managed to stave off those desires, to become heterosexual.

I'll be waiting patiently.

I'm sorry, was that Niceville's attempt at being "clever?" Because if so, it was lame. That's all I have to say about that.

Walt's attraction to Paris is quite interesting if examined this way - Gay men LOVE Paris, I mean LOVE her. She is a drug addicted sexaholic (just like the gays) AND She was the Grand Marshall of the Gay Pride Parade here in Los Angeles this Year! We Love that Bitch! (Oh, I can say that because I know her) Thanks Walt! Maybe we have more in common than you think! Best of Luck in wrestling with your own demons.

Visitor at 2005-08-11 11:47 AM

You are an inspiration. Glad to read your post.

I agree that it is inevitable. But, like all things, we all have a choice.

I chose to marry a woman, mostly for religious beliefs. That is my right.

I knew it would be tough and it has indeed been everything I thought it would be.

Just today, another very handsome man flirted with me. I learned he "moved here from CA four years ago". He started his own business and owns a restaurant. We talked a bit. Cute......hmmmmmmm

I trigger other's gaydar. I can't help it. I think I look too deeply in men's eyes. I do like eyes. I'm not ashamed. But, I accidentally led him on, unfortunately. Didn't mean to, until I talked about my wife and he took a step back.
But, see...he was probably looking for a hookup. I would have been looking for a relationship, if I were still active. You know the score. Gay men my age have mostly given up on "relationships". That's something only the young and naive look for, they say.

Now, your post was interesting. I've talked to gay men like you and I've read about your type. I know you're out there.

But, I'm wondering. Do you have an "open relationship"? That always bothered me. I suspect that's another thing that pushed me into marrying a woman was the fact that the gay couples I knew weren't faithful.

I hope you are. Certainly, you aren't obligated to tell the world your personal life.

I would like to read more from you. Why don't you create an account and join the fun?

Hey Niceville, my mother made me a homosexual...If you would like I can knit you one...

how does it feel to be so angry, ugly, and unattractive Niceville... does it cause you to drink alcohol or do drugs... are you addicted to sex...

Try Religion, it works wonders for the afraid, the simple-minded, and the guilty...

"Scarey with an e"

What I meant to say, was that Dobson's throw the ball to your kid so he doesn't turn out gay thing may represent a fear of this country being over-run by gay blacks, given the number of fatherless blacks. God, the horror he must feel with the thought of walking into his grandson's room and find him cuddled up with a darkie of the same sex!
I wonder if its permissable to behead your son if the showing him your dick doesn't pan out? Would be in saudistan, so should be good here too.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

And don't buy your child a playset with pink, triangular pegs, for God's sake!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!!!

I had G.I. Joes - the cool '70s ones with the lifelike fuzzy afros. I used to burn off their hair by rubbing their heads against the pavement. My brother and I used to set naked Joes on fire and launch them at the neighbors. I turned out gay, he didn't.

I didn't have the opportunity to shower with many naked adult males, however.

Niceville,

What Christian denomination are you affiliated?

Eva,

"(Niceville's not really one, anyway, else he'd not write what he does)."

What qualifies you to be judge and jury?

No Christians are perfect. I have my gripes with conservative Christians, but I never claimed they AREN'T Christian.

Bill:

Give it up my friend! He won't answer you!

Bill, there's a big difference between being "judge and jury" and offering an opinion, which is what I did.

And for that matter, tell me how Niceville's anti-gay, often insult-ridden posts qualify for Christian behavior, or is it okay these days to talk the talk and walk the walk only when it suits a purpose?

And I'll kiss Niceville's ass if and when he answers my question (or any other "choice" person). You're the poster boy for my argument anyway, as you're the only person I know of who really did make a choice and stick with it.

... and I didn't know there were "degrees" of Christians... is that like being a little bit pregnant? Some pick and choose which parts of the Bible they'll cite and adhere to? Is that what you mean? Like, let's get all fa-shizzle wit da Leviticus, but fuck dat stoning the adulterers to death sheee-it!

"tell me how Niceville's anti-gay, often insult-ridden posts qualify for Christian behavior"

Well, it isn't. Jesus taught us that "man" isn't qualified to judge.

But, that doesn't stop it from happening. And it doesn't mean they aren't a Christian. It just means they've got "issues". I've always said, how in the world can churches expect to be effective when they can't agree among themselves what it is they believe. It gets complicated.

Still, no one is perfect. To "be a Christian", that simply means you accept the Gospel as "the truth" and you admit you are a sinner to God and you want to be forgiven. Pretty simple. Some Christian churches add to the rituals. I don't think it's necessary, but it's their choice. It meets some peoples' needs.

Some Christians choose to carry all sorts of extra baggage on the trip called life. Some believe themselves just a little closer to God than others.

Then there is the whole problem with "cults" among Christian churches. The best definition of "a cult" I've heard is any Christian organization that believes it has "exclusive access" to the truth. They believe that their group and ONLY their group has "the truth". For example, Baptists will accept that other denominiations are the real thing. So, they are not a cult.

I won't name names, but there are denominations that teach, "unless you are a member of our church, you aren't really a Christian". That is a cult.

But, back to Niceville. Jesus said, "everyone loves the people who are nice to them...I say..love your enemies"

He's not my enemy, and I choose to support him as a Christian.

And I guess, by that logic, non-Christians have problems with the fact that Christianity claims that ONLY Christians have "the truth".

Well, that is the rub.

Jesus also is quoted to have said, "no one gets to the Father except through me".

hmmmmmm that's the tough one.

Either you believe that or you don't.

Sorry folks...didn't mean to get preachy. But someone asked.

No one comes to the Father, except through me.

Boyd

(Either you believe that, or you don't)

BILL
I do have a question for you though because you do seem to be a Christian of extraordinary open mindedness.
What about the billions of humans who were born into and raised in non-Christian environments; Muslims, Hindus, etc.?? What about them?? Is the door to heaven only open to those who successfully adhere to the tenets of the Christian faith or are equally devout members of other religions equally pious and deserving of reward???

Amen Brother Boyd!

Danni,

I know your question wasn't addressed to me. However, I personally view the various religions as different paths to the same place.

I knew this guy, grew his hair long like a girl, lived with his mother till he was, like, thirty, and only hung around with guys after that. Oh, and he hung out with a hooker, too, but he never showed any tendencies that he was attracted to her.

Hmmmm........d'ya think he was gay?

Danforth

INWI-
I ask not sacrifice, sister, nor do I demand obeisance, nor aught in worship.

Just don't be a petty prick.

Oh, and don't be one of those shallow assholes who takes everything literally and is just an all-around scary monkey. (If you think you "know", you probably don't have the slightest clue)

Aum.

Now I have a question for you, Danni.

In your estimation, what is the breakdown, percentage-wise, of self-proclaimed lesbians who either:

A.) Were born gay. Or,

B.) are just horribly unattractive and unpleasant woman who were ignored by men their whole lives and as a result became bitter and hostile towards the entire concept of maleness----and who, being women who needed to fill a desperate void, decided that lesbianism would fill that void while at the same time "giving the finger" and rebelling against a "male dominated" and "patriarichal" culture they bitterly perceive as having rejected them?

I'm curious.

Let us explore lesbianism, Danni.

Together.

With run-on sentences.

the manifestation of the spirit is at an end.

Boyd

I think I'll eat some wings and yell at people now...oh...and drink some beer.

(Aum)

B.) are just horribly unattractive and unpleasant woman who were ignored by men their whole lives and as a result became bitter and hostile towards the entire concept of maleness----and who, being women who needed to fill a desperate void, decided that lesbianism would fill that void while at the same time "giving the finger" and rebelling against a "male dominated" and "patriarichal" culture they bitterly perceive as having rejected them?


Sounds like someone has been told by many women that they are a lesbian when he approaches. The bitter pill has been swallowed.

Mao-
Don't you live in the desert with cows?

"I knew this guy, grew his hair long"

I LOVE long hair on a guy!

Danni,

I don't know the answer to your question. I suspect there is much more going on around me than I am aware. Perhaps you can figure it out and tell me the answer. You do seem to be an enlightened person.

I am a simple person, in many respects. I know some very fascinating liberals who believe all sorts of things that I don't know anything about.

For instance, I am good friends with some people who attend Unity. Baptists gringe at Unity's teachings. Unity claims to be "a church of practical Christianity". ie...most members of Unity are democrats for what's it worth, but they are professing Christians.

It's not my place to judge. I only know that some people come across as loving and some come across as judgemental.

I prefer people who are "loving" and some of them are quite conservative and some of them are liberal. Personally, I am much more comfortable around liberals.

Now isn't that judgemental of me? hahaha

PINCHE
Yeah, that's all lesbianism is,a bunch of unattractive old dykes, keep telling yourself that, and sorry let's not explore anything, that's the point of being a lesbian.

Damn it Missy!

I keep my hair short!

Ummmm...Boyd? I wasn't trying to be a "prick"! I liked what you posted, that was all.

Now I'm going to cry.

I've known some lesbians that I know straight men would call "hot".

I seriously doubt that lesbians are "rejected women". If anything, they've rejected YOU, not the other way round.

Hey Danni,

Is the Jeep still holding up?

and sorry let's not explore anything

Damn. :(

But you're enlightened---Bill said so.

Oh well.

There's always the cows.

*sigh*

Hey Jeff:

There's time to grow it!! lol!!

INWI-
Damn, inwi, I wasn't referring to you.

Don't cry, for Boyd is a god of mercy, and joy.

Too late Boyd!!

Mao-
Just exactly what did you mean by that "finger" statement, anyway?

Boyd (lord)

JEFF
yes but now I have developed a problem in the front end with the wheels shaking a bit. My son said ball joints so I will be taking it into the shop in a week or so I hope. Car repairs can be very expensive, which BTW, is why I bought the old jeep, it keeps my repair bills low. I had a convertible, with electric everything and it was great but I was afraid if it broke down I wouldn't be able to afford to fix it so I got the jeep instead. I love the old thing though, I'm not sure why but I actually like driving it.

Danni-
You drive a Jeep?

OK, that's it!

I'm done with details and nuance. It's all fractals from here on out, and y'all can just deal with it, mmmkay?

Boyd (lord)

Danni & Bill,

Supplemental.

What about all those billions and billions and billions who were born, lived, and died before Christ walked the Earth even?

Any access to heaven for them?

Or did "God" send the entire species to damnation until he felt it time to send a messenger?

Kinda nasty to contemplate.

Regards,
etc.

Mao-
Just exactly what did you mean by that "finger" statement, anyway?

I assumed it was considered foreplay with the cows. You can't just barge in with a large animal like that, you have to start gently.

Hi Storm!

No...some were found Righteous....Job for example!

you have to start gently

And from close in, too.

Otherwise she'll kick the shit out of you.

Damn fine singing from him and his brother. Love Unchained Melody.

Regards,
etc.

Jesus, TPS!

Did you think that the backdrop in the "Wizard of Oz" was real, too?

Get with it, mortal!

Storm:

LOL...I do TOO!

Danni,

The Jeep Cherokee has character. I used to drive one and I liked it as well. Best of luck with your repair woes.

INWI-
Dry your tears, child, and know that I'll probably soon forsake you when I feel the need to go out for a smoke, but until then...

Shouldn't Job have been kinda pissed about that whole thing?

Yeah, visitor that is sort of what my point was too. It is just a bit difficult to swallow this exclusivity thing for (1) admittance into heaven (2) to have a decent next life (3) to achieve enlightenment (4) other (choose one).
Basicly, don't all religions preach that they are right and therefore all others are wrong???
I can respect folk's faith but I do think that questioning the exclusivity of their belief leads to agnosticism. The more you question, the more you realize that it is all hocus pocus and that the truth of "God" is probably so different from any Earthly concept that all religions are inadequate. Probably, our human brains couldn't contain the concept of "God" anyway so why don't we concentrate on the Earthly world. Which, if there is a God, I think was probably his/her/it's intention in the first place.

Jeff J-
I never figured you for a lesbian.

Live and learn eternally, I guess.

Boyd (lord)

Boyd,

I said 'supplemental". I didn't say jump out of a perfectly good airplane. Only crazy people believe 2000 years of playing the telephone game has passed on any useful information...

Hi InWis,

Thought you must. Just can't get enough of Job when he starts that chorus....one Righteous Brother.

Regards,
etc.

Danni,

The whole issue of life after death is much more complicated that what "religion" you accept.

There is also the debate of reincarnation. I just don't know. I've read, "you will be reincarnated whether you believe it or not".

I certainly hope not. I've done this once. I don't want to do it again. (a little humor)

But, it is the words of Jesus when I read the Bible that just strikes a cord with me. His wisdom warms my heart. Other religions are on to something. But, I just keep going back to Christ. It just feels right.

Of course, there is the possibility that since I was taught as a youth, that it could be as simple as that.

But, one's faith is a choice. I have the choice and I have chosen to believe that Jesus was the Son of Man (one of many names) and some odd things have happened in my life that cause me to wonder how I possibly survived some situations I've been in and just wasn't cognizant of the danger.

Faith is beyond explanation. Just seems right to me. But, isn't that what everyone says?

My open-mindedness is as an American. I believe all Americans have a "right" to believe as they so choose. A government can not dictate a religion. It can't endorse or suppress any faiths.

I don't agree with Christian youth groups being denied the opportunity to meet in school. And I don't agree that our politicians should all be Christians, as conservatives often profess.

Neither endorse nor suppress religions. It's pretty simple, as an American. Let them all have their say.

I believe "the truth" will prevail.

Boyd,

As 'Box Itch' would say,

"I am a male lesbian"

Miss Wiss,

My wife believes that men with long hair are using their hair length to 'compensate'.....hence my short hair!