Geez, that sounds like my kinda lawmaker. 101Clairborne, where are you? I called his ass a cracker several times out of anger too.

Buddha

But it's ok because he is black and can't possibly be a racist, where's jesse on this one?

What's happening GoOps? Why aren't you signed in? Better yet are you a Pa Lawmaker?
What do you think will happen to this guy? Any chance this makes the National News? Will the NAAWP make a stink?

101,

I am not a PA Lawmaker but apparently my brothers have a hard time keeping whitey from hurting their feelings and slanging racial comments.

NAAWP doesnt exist because its the entire country. Its sort of like when people complain about having BET or Black History month....I always gotta say every other month and channel IS white history monthy or White entertainment channel.

Do you have any idea whats its like trying to conceal a bandaid on dark skin?

Buddha

PS, my account won't sign on for some reason...and wont let me regegister I think its because Im Black.

"PS, my account won't sign on for some reason...and wont let me regegister I think its because Im Black."

No it's because RCade's a cracker. ;)

Jim

That's pretty funny. You forgot Black Starz (as if white starz wasn't bad enough!).

"I think its because Im Black"

Funny
Your posts are the same color as everyone else's.

Maybe because I'm blind. (not)

ha! WU-tang to you Zatoichi, touche'

Buddha

Now I'll have the Race Draft in my head all day Buddah...Fa-shizzle. Kanishiwa Bitches...And the whites choose Colin Powell (anyone see that on Chappelle?).

Cracker....cracker? cracker!...I didn't even TOUCH her!

Maybe he just thought his esteemed colleague was from Crackistan.

Jim

You have been to wu-tang master?


;^)


Konichi-wa 101
aregato gazaimas

Speaking of comedy, anyone see Lewis Black commenting on Tom Cruise?

bwahahahahaaaaa

They make darker colored bandaids these days Buddha, and e-mail RCADE directly. He will straighten out your logon problem for you.
----

I cannot imagine anyone making a racial slur by our elected leaders in this day and age. Black, white or whatever. What ever happened to mutual respect and professionalism. If I let a racial bomb go in any one of the many heated meetings I have had in business I would probably have lost my job by now, or at least the respect of my associates.

Pretty embarrasing (both sides).

2112...
Read the entire story. His colleague was saying that anyone who wanted to fly a national flag at their own home that wasn't an American one should go back to whatever country said flag was from. That isn't a very American thing to say, is it? I guess all the Italians, Irish, Germans, Poles, and French should all be sent packing if they dare fly the flags of their homelands, huh? The definition of a cracker is an ignorant, person of pale color. Seems this guy fits the description, doesn't it?

aregato gazaimas? You sure butchered that one, Zat ;).

arigato gozaimasu

Chair,

One of the best Chappelle's ever.

Yes 101, the racial draft was one of my favorite Chappelle episodes, the other is Wu-Tang Financial "you need to deversify your bond portfolio nigga"

Buddha

Maybe this guy was being a cracker.

Probably won't be the last time either.

I, as some on this site know, have been known to throw the C bomb out (cracker) but of course I'm not an elected offical. I did, however, think it was pretty funny and would not withhold a vote from him for that...of course if it was the other way around... Thats my double standard.

Buddha

Tony Roma,
It's no excuse. Cracker's definition sounds a lot like the definition of nig#&er (don't want a deleted post). I can't believe you are trying to justify it Tony, I thought you were above that (not that I think you support this guy, but you did try to justify it).

P.S. RCADE's email is private how do I e-mail his cracker ass ?

Buddha

101,

We can't compare cracker to nigger however. Cracker doesnt illicit the same racial pains in white people that the latter does. I agree with you it should not have been said though but as a black man, its hard to hear the "N" word from a white man. Is cracker really that offensive to white people? Those I have asked say its really not.

Honkey, however....

Buddha

I may have been wrong...I always thought a nig##er was "an ignorant black person", but I just dictionary.com'd it.

Used as a disparaging term for a Black person: "You can only be destroyed by believing that you really are what the white world calls a nigger" (James Baldwin).
Used as a disparaging term for a member of any dark-skinned people.
Used as a disparaging term for a member of any socially, economically, or politically deprived group of people: "Gun owners are the new niggers... of society" (John Aquilino).


Hmm, I stand corrected. No offense guys, I legitimately thought that was the definition (of course I also knew it was a disparaging remark about a black person).

Tony,

Like I said, Both sides should be ashamed and start acting like professionals.

Buddha, really? on the double standard?

Each to their own.

101 Chairborne...
From the blasts I've seen you get off, I was only trying to show WHY he said what he said: frustration with a very ignorant, narrow-minded viewpoint, spoken in front of people just told what they can and can't do in America by THEIR public servant! No justification necessary, because the men apologized to each other. Just because we're supposed to be civil, doesn't mean our "baseness" won't rear its ugly head from time to time. Two wrongs led to two apologies. its a wash, lets move on.

I don't think cracker is offensive in the least, same with whitebread or honkey. It's not even that anyone really finds it offensive, it was however the users intention to use it along racially offensive lines IMO.

By the way, Ashy Larry was the funniest thing I have seen (perhaps tied with the Wayne Brady skit).

2112, yeah pretty much.

101, you just wanted to say nigger

Buddha

Omg, Ashy Larry was good. "Go put some lotion on"

Buddha

Buh,.Duh.

Of course, you calling him a cracker ass will surely motivate him to get right on your login problem.

And if he takes offence to what you said and decides NOT to help you you do have the conveinent RACE card to throwout there.

Win Win I guess.

JMHO

2112

RCADE is a cool cat, he won't mind much masta, I can do my little dance fo him and make him feel apeeeez'd

Buddha

"Is cracker really that offensive to white people?"

Not to me. I think I've been called a cracker but can't remember where or when so it couldn't have been too traumatic.

Chris Rock has that bit where he says that old black men who experienced old time racism are the most racist people around today. When the white guy walks away - "Cracka-ass cracker....I'll kick your cracka ass you cracka-ass cracker....." Cracks me up.

Tony - I thought that what the cracker was saying is that some people will fly the flag of their "homeland" in their homes but the same people don't want American flags flying in the their developments. While I don't agree that they need to go back to some other country over that, I do think its a ridiculous stance for anyone to take. So he actually had somewhat of a point, just went too far with it.

Jim

Do white people really get offened by the term "craker?" I think it only works when when a person of color says "cracka?" It's like "nigga," but the opposite.

Jaysteed.

This thread seems appropriate (for you InWi)...Why is Italy shaped like a boot?


Did you think they could stuff all that shit in a shoe?

The term "Cracker" was born from the same tumultuous times that the "N-Word" comes from (as in whip-cracker). It has evolved to symbolize the equal of the "N-Word" (ignorance), but exclusive to the white fellows. Given that blacks were slaves and whites were slave-masters, and also given that the "N-Word" has been used for centuries to inflict verbal injury onto African-Americans, it's pretty hard to compare the two terms as equally offensive. THAT SAID, Myers exposed himself to be a lawmaker who resorts to uncontrolled and childish outbursts. AND, if you think about it, it's a bad comparison that a Cracker would want to send people back to their distant foreign homelands-- it was usually the other way around.

Speaking of cracker.

What the difference between a lesbian and a Ritz?
Ones a snack cracker and the others a crack snacker.

What do women and dog poop have in common?
The older they get the easier they are to pick up.

What do you see when the pillsbury dough boy bends over?
Dough nuts

Thanks for the address would have been a much better response.

101:

LOL...That's NOT funny!! Ok...a little! Where DO you come up with these Italian jokes?

2ndcrusade,

For someone who espouses 'salvation' and 'knowledge' you sure are walking a tight rope with those jokes. Aren't you?

INWI
Probably during the invasion at Anzio.

There is no word in the English language that carries as much hatred as "nigger". Unless someone can inform me of a word, who's genesis was from the region harvested by people of color to ship other people of color into slavery and transportation to parts unknown, spoken by the businessmen/exporters as a bastardization of the region's people, then please, tell me about it. Tell me about a word which enbodies man's inhumanity to his fellow man, and the degredation of separating family members from family members. Tell me about a word under which rape and murder was considered sport for southern gentlemen. Tell me about the vestiges of racism and benign neglect even to the highest court in America that allowed these people to be viewed as chattle, not humans worthy of rights until the 1860's. If you can find a word to describe the people that put my ancestors through hell, so that I might be here today, then I certainly want to learn it. Cracker and honky ain't it, however.

InWi,
My best friend is Italian, so I tend to remember the Italian jokes when I hear them. I think I'm all out now, so you're safe for now.

Tony
I can only think of one such word: injun.
As in "The only good 'un is a dead 'un."
And not even that comes close, really.

2ndcrusade

What do you call an ignorant white guy making stupid jokes?

a cracker

only joking of course,

Buddha

Tony,

A close second to "Ni**er" would be "Cu*t"

Tony, are you the only black Italian? What's with the username?


There is no word in the English language that carries as much hatred as "nigger".
Well Tony, many on this site would disagree with you...Bush.

"I can only think of one such word: injun."

Yeah, but there are hardly any left to complain about it. Ask the Washington Redskins.

Jim

"For someone who espouses 'salvation' and 'knowledge' you sure are walking a tight rope with those jokes. Aren't you?"

I happen to have a sense of humor, I dont walk on tightropes, I might slip and injure the family jewels.

Good one 101, although I disagree. I know your getting a hard-on for playing the "free 'nigger word usage' card".

Now bush is a cracker, am I wrong ??

Buddha

"What do you call an ignorant white guy making stupid jokes?"

You better check with Bryd on that one, I thought it was white nigger.

101...
If I had Bush's connections, you could call me anything freaking thing you want! The Roma just came from thin-air. I was thinking about the Dean Martin character Tony Rome and replaced the "e" with the first initial of my last name. Nothing to do with ribs or the restaurant, although I used to hang out at one in Altamonte Springs, FL in the early 90's. Nice bar at the time.

Nice Tonyroma, I work in Altamonte Springs...well actually Maitland border.

Buddha

"I can only think of one such word: injun."

Well then how bout injigger or nigjun. There just combine the two most derogitory term together an now you have a winner.

Jeff:

I couldn't agree with you more..I HATE the 'c' word!

GoOps, that's the second time you've mentioned that and I haven't even dropped it once...unless you consider the ones with the "#$" instead of letters. Besides, it's the internet, I could type it all day long without repercussions, what's the fun in that?
Now tell me a white person joke. There has to be at least one.
Here is a relatively harmless black joke...
A billionaire has a giant party and invites everyone in the neighborhood. Among them is a black couple. As they gather in the backyard the owner of the home says "If you'll look in my pool you'll see I have it filled with alligators. When you become as rich as we are you need risk in your life to feel alive again! I will give $5million to whomever jumps in the pool and...." SPLASH! Just then everyone turns around to see the black guy seriously fucking up some alligators. He swims to the other side and gets out.
"That was incredible" said the homeowner, "come over here for your $5 million".
"Nope" says the black man.
"$5 million isn't enough? How about $5 million and a new porche?" says the white guy
"No!" said the black guy.
"Sir you drive a hard bargain, what is it I can get you?" says the white guy
"I want the name of the mother fucker that pushed me in the pool!" said the black guy.

I am shocked , awed and offended by the use of the "c" word , especially since he did'nt specify the type of cracker , he could have meant graham cracker , saltine cracker , cracker-jack , oyster crackers , bonkers crackers and animal crackers . There is such a wide variety out there , damn , I am having an identity crisis , what kind of cracker am I ? That's right a nut cracker .

This is outrageous!! I hope Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are calling a press conference....
oh wait.....nevermind.

Tonyroma-
You know I love you, man but... Just because the "n" word is a far worse word adds NO justification for using it. This is UNDENIABLE racism. This is using a derogatory term to describe someone based solely on the color of their skin. Yes, no other word carries the weight of the "n" word. But this guy should get what a white guy would get for using a term like "spook". Wouldn't you agree? (and you know you're one of my favorite posters)

Matt in Texas

Are you kidding? How cvan you compare nigger to cunt? Woman don't like the word cunt, nigger is just plain offensive. But at the same time, neither word is really offensive, they're just words. It's what's behind the words that offends people. For instance, my friends and I (a mixed bag of races) will often say things like, "You feel like puffin' a blunt, nigger." No offense intended, none taking. But at the same time, if a get into a fight tonight and call the guy a dick, I'm sure he'll be really offended. So it isn't the words, it's thier context.

Jaysteed.

Tony:
I suppose faggot comes close as every minority & majority hates, beats, & kills them.

I like melba rounds. Saltines are ok, if you are in the mood for them.

Ritz are my favorite.

Matt...
See my 3.34pm post. It says it all.

I had to come back. I'll take heat for this but hey, I don't believe in double standards so without further ado:

Ain't no nigger gonna call me cracker.

Take Care

Tony-
Okay... that kind of covers it. But what do you think the reaction would have been if the white guy had called the black guy a "spook", and they shook hands and made up afterward? Wouldn't there be a Jesse Jackson press conference? I agree that we should move on, but I think that the hypocracy concerning racism can be blinding sometimes. And don't get me wrong here... white people started the race game in the US, of that I am fully aware. But a cracker would have had his career ended had the tables been turned.

Matt in Texas

It is interesting that faggot was brought up. I don't know if many realize the genesis of the word. It was another word for the kindling used to burn people at the stake. Since many burned were guilty of loving the same sex, hence the word sliding over to the victims. Another interesting factoid is that gays use the term as one of endearment at times just like some blacks have adopted nigga. I think it shows the human need to build-up a defense from the reprehensible by turning it into an endearment, but only within the clique. The same is true when women are really pissed at each other, they lob the c-bomb. I don't know if lesbians use it as a term of endearment or not, someone with knowledge will have to inform us. Not to be flippant, but does anyone know where the c-word came from? I've heard its an anagram for Can't Understand Normal Thinking. Of course this came from a good ole' boy.

2112-

Well, I guess that's one warped-ass way of dealing with the problem. Confront racism by becoming a racist. Am I reading that correctly?

Matt in Texas

Matt...
I really believe its circumstantial. If a black guy had been spouting off about something overtly ignorant and niggardly, then I think the reaction would have been the same. You must agree that the comment went to the stance the man was taking and the one he verbalized. The fact that both men realized they'd crossed the line renders any further action moot, in my opinion. When people get adjitated, its usually because someone tries to justify what they've said. Neither man did this in this occasion, therefore, that's why I feel its over. They both learned a lesson in tact and decorum.

Its a backhanded slap at Buhdha, Matt. See earlier in the thread.

Tony-
I think the origin of "cunt" came from when women were receiving oral sex and giving instruction while their legs were squeezing the man/woman's ears so hard they couldn't hear, and the one doing the performance would respond (with a mouth full of beaver) "I CUNT HEAR YOU". Okay, maybe not.

Matt in Texas

Matt in Texas,

Actually after I hit post I 'felt' as if I had mad a mistake. I don't think reacting with racism is the answer I just don't like the double standard enjoyed by 'most,some,all' minorities.

But, if it's OK to be called a cracker, honkey etc. by a black man why is it not ok to call a black man the n word?

I am still trying to work that out in my head even after reading Tonyroma's very good post on the subject.

Gotcha, thats turning the other cheek.

Tony-
Okay. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. But we can still be cyberfreinds. I think a white guy would have had his ass handed to him, no matter the context. You are correct on the way things SHOULD happen, and the way this happened is the way it SHOULD happen... two guys cross the line, apologize, end of story. I just think that certain media whores would have been on this like stink on a monkey if it were the other way around. Just my opinion, though.

Matt in Texas

2112...
Buddha was yanking your chain, which is what we're wont to do when the term nigger comes up. He may have been speaking the truth, but I don't think so. Personally, I don't use or like the word, but in the slang of the culture it doesn't bother me. Richard Pyror's ephiphany in Africa, when he stopped using the word, hit home with me too. I feel I must set a better example to affect positive change. Its not okay to be called anything derogatory. That's the main point, because when we do, we only show our own intolerance and ignorance in all its glory. Some folks revel in this, but to me its very sad. Again, no one of us is perfect, and everyone that says "I'm sorry," and doesn't repeat the behavior is entitled to be held to their word.

Actually Matt, today the media (which is still predominately white) makes cases out of every racial blast that a black person makes, and this same debate is had ad nauseum. Remember Dusty Baker having to answer to his comments on black versus white players? He didn't get a pass, and neither did Jesse over the "hymietown" comment. Racism is colorblind because bigotry is equal opportunity. We can all be members of the club. It starts with our attitudes, and from there, who knows?

2112-
That's okay. I read some of your other posts, and that put things in more perspective for me as to your views. And God forbid I should ever agree with 2ndCrusade, but I'm more of a "turn the other cheek" guy in those circumstances. I would have to agree with Tony that the "n" word carries much more weight... but that doesn't mean that a black man calling a white man a "cracker" in the heat of debate isn't on some level racist.

Matt in Texas

Tony-
Good post. Good examples. I do think the media focuses more on black crime, as well, while not focusing on white crime enough. But would you agree that the racist stigma "sticks" more to white people, when labeled? (Robert Byrd being the exception) Would you agree that for a white person, the consequences seem more severe?

Matt in Texas

Rushfan:
Remember your namesake -

" We are the meek...." well you know the rest.

2112 was great, but after that limelight was the only song I dug. Them Canadians sure do flame out fast, hey where's Brian Adams nowdays.

Or is it Bryan Adams, that Zat guy is busting my ass over spelling.

2ndCrusade-
He'll be peforming at Live8. With Celine Dion. I can't think of a concert on this planet that I'd rather kill myself at.

Matt in Texas

It's Bryan Cougar Adams.

Matt in Texas

Matt...
I actually first heard about this on Fox Sports Radio this morning, and the reason it was brought up was to make light of the "cracker" comment. Most people probably will take it for a moment of foot-in-mouth disease, at least I hope so.

"I can't think of a concert on this planet that I'd rather kill myself at."

Guess you missed Altamont.

Matt...
Of course the term racist is more of a white stigma than a black one. We didn't ship y'all over here to work and breed for us, did we? Think America's past might have something to do with the "stigma"? If the shoe fits....

Tonyroma-
I must say, I could give a crap about being called a "cracker". I was a groomsman in an all-black wedding recently. I was the only stone-cold honkey standing up, out of about 30 people. And when we walked down the aisle, we were supposed to bounce a bit to the beat. Let me just say that my lack of rhythm was the talk of the evening. But it was funny, and I was called honkey/whitebread/cracker, etc. And I got to return the jabs with things such as, "well, we didn't breakdance at my wedding". It's too bad that we can't embrace and make light of our differences more often without it becoming a spectacle. I say this so you know that the issue doesn't consume me, I'm far from rabid about it. As you said, hopefully most folks will take it as a foot-in-mouth blunder.

Matt in Texas

Matt in Texas,

"2112-
That's okay. I read some of your other posts, and that put things in more perspective for me as to your views."

If I may ask. What views are you talking about? Curious, not picking a fight.

Tonyroma-
"Matt...
Of course the term racist is more of a white stigma than a black one. We didn't ship y'all over here to work and breed for us, did we? Think America's past might have something to do with the "stigma"? If the shoe fits...."

touche (how do you get the little line over the "e" in that?)

Matt in Texas

2112-
No, let's fight. Just kidding.

All that I initially read was your post: "Ain't no nigger gonna call me cracker."

And then I read: "I cannot imagine anyone making a racial slur by our elected leaders in this day and age. Black, white or whatever. What ever happened to mutual respect and professionalism. If I let a racial bomb go in any one of the many heated meetings I have had in business I would probably have lost my job by now, or at least the respect of my associates.

Pretty embarrasing (both sides)."

Perhaps "views" was the wrong word. I meant that I realized you most likely were NOT a racist, you were using an analogy. My bad.

Matt in Texas

Chairborne...
I just caught this part:
"Tony, are you the only black Italian?"

You obviously haven't watched "True Romance", have you? Dennis Hopper give Chris Walken a lesson in em...Sicilian history. Seems that Hannibal and the fellows from North Africa occupied Rome and Sicily for more than a decade back in the days. Conquered Rome with elephants, by the way. Why do you think Sicilians are so dark complected? Actual, me and my Italian buddies always have a laugh over our shared heritage! One of my buds is from Northern Italy. Same big snozzola, but he's got blue eyes and blond hair! Got it from the Nordics. Actually the further south you go, the darker the Italians.

Tony:

"One of my buds is from Northern Italy. Same big snozzola, but he's got blue eyes and blond hair! Got it from the Nordics. Actually the further south you go, the darker the Italians."

None of my friends think I'm half Italian because I have fairer skin, blonde (with a little red)hair and blue eyes..and don't have that nose!! They think I'm making it up! They call me a Wopabe!

Everybody's got a little Italian in 'em...or at least they should....

My mother grew up in Florida, born in the twenties, and BTW not a racist bone in her body. Well, she proudly referred to herself all her life as a Florida Cracker.
Perhaps it is derogative but we never knew it until the last few years.

"Ain't no nigger gonna call me cracker."

2112,

I'm deeply sorry I didnt get to read your post yesterday. Scumbag. See thats the kinda redneck crap that starts problems. Of course I have every confidence your just talking like that because your on a computer so I won't take it too seriously. But I'm sure your a real tough guy. Does your penis feel bigger now?

Buddha

I have NEVER heard a woman call another by the c word (no, not graham cracker.) Actually it has fairly benign old English origins and is not particularly verboten in the British isles, except among "polite" company. But I have never heard it used as an insult among women. Don't make much sense.
As for the derogratory race words blacks use for whites, most whites are pretty indifferent as the words are pretty silly, even if they do make sense sometimes. Women seemed to be more grossly verbally assaulted.

If Blacks are truly offended by the N-bomb they should be offended every time, no matter who uses it. I have watched shows where Chris Rock has a whole audiance of black people rolling on the floor and every other word out of his mouth is the N-bomb. It must be really offensive.

vis-8.54...
Read my post from 5.37 yesterday. It addresses what you question.

Buddha...
Read the thread from yesterday. 2112 was yanking your chain, as he and I assumed you were his. He makes his feelings clear as Matt questioned him about it. Nothing but love, man. No hate.

"Actually the further south you go, the darker the Italians."

Although they'd never admit it, that's part of the reason you hear about red sauce (southern) and white sauce (northern) Italians. Obviously, it also has to do with food but that doesn't fully explain the need to make the distinction.

Jim

Italy is such a hoot!
The drivers are insane and proud of it.
Every city/state badmouths every other one.
But the wine and the risotto and the bruschetta are worth it!

And then there's Venice.

Just reading this thread this morning...all I can say is "cracker is as cracker does".

cracker is not as a well known insult as
nigger tends to be ///peckerwood is(was) one of my grandfathers favorite names for white people //but i think the real effects of these words depend on what you think of yourself//i don't care what you all call me cause i know what i am
jasman

"peckerwood"

movie: The Wild Bunch

have any of you all read the book CLOTEL(the president's daughter)if not find it and read it it very insightful pertainin to the roots of the racial situation in the us
jasman