Well how in the Hell are these people supposed to qualify for more Goberment stuff unless dey is always barefoot and pregnant DUHhhhh,,,

Father Absence and the Welfare of Children

we find that children who grow up apart from their biological fathers do less well, on average, than children who grow up with both natural parents. They are less likely to finish high school and attend college, less likely to find and keep a steady job, and more likely to become teen mothers.

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Father absence contributes to crime and delinquency. Violent criminals are overwhelmingly males who grew up without fathers.

75% of children/adolescents in chemical dependency hospitals are from single-parent families. (Center for Disease Control, Atlanta, GA)

1 out of 5 children have a learning, emotional, or behavioral problem due to the family system changing. (National Center for Health Statistics)

More than one half of all youths incarcerated for criminal acts lived in one-parent families when they were children. (Children's Defense Fund)

63% of suicides are individuals from single parent families (FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin - Investigative Aid)

75% of teenage pregnancies are adolescents from single parent homes (Children in need: Investment Strategies...Committee for Economic Development)

Approximately 13% of all babies born in the U.S. are born to adolescent mothers, with one million teens becoming pregnant each year. Explanations for teen pregnancy include the break-up of the American home and parental loss. (University of Kentucky, Departments of Psychiatry, Ob/Gyn and Psychology)

Gang recruitment is a powerful lure for the products of broken homes and single-parent households" as gang members are likely to "receive little guidance or attention from family members at home." (Chicago Crime Commission Report,1995)

In Need of Fathers on Father's Day

As an assistant secretary of Labor under Presidents Kennedy and Johnson, Daniel Patrick Moynihan was charged with developing policy for what would become the War on Poverty.

His message was dire and direct. The black family was being destroyed, and government was helping. By promoting welfare programs that allowed payment only if the man was out of the house, the government effectively replaced the black man as the source of provision and support for the black family.

This alienation from their role as husband and father, protector and provider, would lead to high divorce rates, abandonment, and high out-of-wedlock birth rates, which were already headed upward in the mid-1960s, with nearly a quarter of black children born to single mothers. He concluded:

Mr. Moynihan paid a price for his report. He was accused of "blaming the victim" - in fact, this phrase was coined in direct response to the report - and called a racist for his conclusions.

Damn, didn't realize this all started in the last three years.

Look for more of the same if Paneocon gets his heart's desire in November since contraception is the Rep's latest hot button.

Illegitimacy in Obamaville

Posted by paneocon

You really are a dick. Please exit the country.

"Now it is the new normal."

It's called "culture change."

Sorry, PainedCon - because I know this statement will rock your blinkered world - culture is not static. Some of a culture's slower moving creatures may act as if it is. But they're the ones who get left behind, grumbling in the dust, as the rest of the group moves on.

The normals here might find this article of interest:

It's called "culture change."
#8 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

you say change, I say erosion

Original source of data.
Childbearing Outside of Marriage:
Estimates and Trends in the United States

"You really are a dick. Please exit the country."
#7 | Posted by ZOT

Does that mean you realize it but would rather deny it?

“Too many fathers are MIA. Too many fathers are AWOL,” he told a huge African-American congregation in Chicago. “There’s a hole in your heart if you don’t have a male figure in the home that can guide you and lead you and set a good example for you.” -Obama, who then proceeds to throw them in jail for victimless drug crimes that he himself violated.

This is all planned though. Independent, self-sufficient citizens don't ask for anything, and therefore are less willing to give up freedoms in exchange for handouts.

More dependents = more power for government.

Liberals coming on here and supporting single parent households on the increase even with mountains of evidence that they lead to crime and welfare. I guess when you get most of your supporters (voters) from government dependency and entitlement programs you have to support behavior that cripples people. Such caring folks

"Of course, one of the reasons children born outside of marriage suffer is the culturally ubiquitous idea that there is something wrong or abnormal about their situation."

Bullshit. Like you said, it's a "cultural change" and we should embrace it.

that is really sad Doc.

"But they're the ones who get left behind, grumbling in the dust, as the rest of the group moves on."

So, folks that see this as a problem are "getting left behind"?

No, that is a crock of shit. The kids being born into these situations are the ones being left behind, grumbling in the dust, and kids like mine "move on".

It's almost as if Doc thinks we should celebrate this horrible problem and "embrace it".

No, I won't "embrace" it at all. I accept it like I accept cancer....but it's a problem we need to address....not a cultural change we need to embrace.

75% of children/adolescents in chemical dependency hospitals are from single-parent families. (Center for Disease Control, Atlanta, GA)

1 out of 5 children have a learning, emotional, or behavioral problem due to the family system changing. (National Center for Health Statistics)

More than one half of all youths incarcerated for criminal acts lived in one-parent families when they were children. (Children's Defense Fund)

63% of suicides are individuals from single parent families (FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin - Investigative Aid)

75% of teenage pregnancies are adolescents from single parent homes (Children in need: Investment Strategies...Committee for Economic Development)

"Embrace it! It's great!"

-Doc

Liberals coming on here and supporting single parent households on the increase even with mountains of evidence that they lead to crime and welfare. I guess when you get most of your supporters (voters) from government dependency and entitlement programs you have to support behavior that cripples people. Such caring folks

#12 | Posted by paneocon at 2012-02-21 10:09 AM

I'm a single parent. I've raised my daughter alone since she was an infant.

She has always done well in school, and is in Honors classes in High School. She has never been in any trouble either.

So how does that fit into your narrative?

.

So how does that fit into your narrative?
#15 | Posted by Roy_Batty

It fits fine. Good parents do exist, I'm going to assume that you are one, but you can't argue with statistics, this is going the wrong way and there are repercussions to society for this behavior.

Bush isn't responsible for US servicemen dying in a war he lied us into but Obama is responsible for this?

Gotta love the party of personal accountability....

#17 | Posted by sully

You make those connections up all by yourself?
It's bush's fault and Obama inherited a mess, right?

"You make those connections up all by yourself?"

I assume anyone who pays attention has observed the same behavior.

"It's bush's fault and Obama inherited a mess, right?"

I don't think our economy is all Bush's fault or all Obama's fault. Think both have contributed to the problem with their idiotic spending.

I also don't think its possible for a president to influence the economy as much as we like to believe unless he's willing to take really drastic steps such as treating our trade with with China as a trade war....

Illegitimacy in Obamaville

Posted by paneocon

You really are a dick. Please exit the country.

#7 | Posted by ZOT at

THATS RIGHT>..we need the room to insult millions of americans with pornographic references and call out anyone who dares to use God or faith in living thier lives out..or DARES to question the GREAT "OBAMMARINI"...OR call top gop people "demons' or tell them all they can go straight to hell AND NO OTHER DEM SAY A FUCKN WORD TO DENOUCNE THIS BULLSHIT...

signed the left..

I JUST MADE THAT NAME UP..

WATCH THE GREAT OBAMARINI make your country disappear right before your eyes..AND out of his UNION PAID OFF HAT COMES OUT>...

AND TA DA...its NORTH AMERICAN GREECE !!!!

#20 | Posted by afkabl2

So, Texass, do you , and others really believe that Obama is somehow to blame for the rising levels of out of wedlock children? That the number was zero during the Shrub's regime?

So when the Repub pres enters in 2013 and the rate stays the same or rises, will you then blame him?

Or is it rather that the US is increasingly composed of irresponsible sluts regardless of political bent, conservative, liberal, democrat, republican, left, right, center, whatever. And when the religious affiliations are looked at, it is the Mormons and the Catholics who top the list for the most promiscuous, the Jews and the Muslims down near the bottom.

But hey, at least the gays aren't adding (much) to the surplus, illegit population.

Just more of the results of the republican War on Women & Contraception.

So when the Repub pres enters in 2013 and the rate stays the same or rises, will you then blame him?

Easy question.

It will be the Dem Congress or Senate's fault.

#24 | Posted by jpw

It will change because Republicans will start to turn off the entitlement spigot and they will bring back the marriage deduction and stop rewarding bad behavior.

It will change because Republicans will start to turn off the entitlement spigot and they will bring back the marriage deduction and stop rewarding bad behavior.

LOL at least your an optimist.

"It will change because Republicans will start to turn off the entitlement spigot and they will bring back the marriage deduction and stop rewarding bad behavior."

I'll believe it when I see it, but in any case it'll take decades as it took that long to get to this point. Thank you LBJ, The Great Society, The War on Poverty and our little "progressive" friends who "embrace the change" and keep "doing their own thing" and "doing it if it feels good."

Roy congrats on your daughter. However word of warning my wife was an honor student from a single parent home. I still knocked her up when she was 17. Now she at least had the good sense to get knocked up by a guy who wouldn't bail on her but it still happened. Not trying to take away from the job you have done, CONGRATS on getting this far with her in fact, however stay vigilant.

In 1990, 17 percent of births to white women,
67 percent of births to black women, and
37 percent of births to Hispanic women were
nonmarital.

In In 2009, 29 percent of births to white women,
73 percent of births to black women, and
53 percent of births to Hispanic women were
nonmarital.

Given that gestation is nine months, Bush is at fault for 75% of that increase.

Or as Panfried says, 3/4 of that fornication happened during Clinton's Fourth Term.

It will change because Republicans will start to turn off the entitlement spigot and they will bring back the marriage deduction and stop rewarding bad behavior.

#25 | Posted by paneocon

Somebody is expecting a bitch-slapping from Bristol Palin.

It will change because Republicans will start to turn off the entitlement spigot and they will bring back the marriage deduction and stop rewarding bad behavior.

#25 | Posted by paneocon at 2012-02-21 03:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

YEAH!

I remember when these numbers plummeted during Bush's first 6 years with the repub controlled House and Senate.

Oh wait....you mean they didn't? LOL. Shocking!

"Indeed, concerns about the consequences of nonmarital childbearing helped motivate the major reform of welfare that occurred in 1996, and continue to motivate the development of federally funded pregnancy prevention programs among teenagers and marriage promotion programs among adults."

1996? -damn that liberal socialist Clinton for trying to deal with this problem!

So Afkabagger, how did your conversion to Mormonism work out? It looks like you're gonna have to give up on having your own planet and kiss the Pope's ring.
Vote Sanitarium, because the "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith", is still open!

PANEOCON must secretly believe Obama is God. He litterally assigns supernatural abilities to the guy. He controls divorce rates and unplanned pregnancy rates?

All I read in this thread is Wah Wah Wah, I hate Obama because talk hate radio told me so!

I remember when these numbers plummeted during Bush's first 6 years with the repub controlled House and Senate.
Oh wait....you mean they didn't? LOL. Shocking!
#31 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

Man it must be tough to be wrong so much. You really should check stuff out before you make a fool out of yourself. It's called google, try it some time. Pelosi and dems took over in 2008 and the rest as they say is history.

Year Welfare-total $ billion

2001 316.89 i
2002 383.19 a
2003 418.00 i
2004 408.25 a
2005 408.51 a
2006 413.00 a
2007 422.29 a
2008 497.06 a
2009 626.18 a
2010 786.58 e
2011 744.68 g
2012 679.19 g
Legend:
a - actual reported
i - interpolated between actual reported values
e - out-year estimate in US fy13 budget
g - 'guesstimated' projection by usgovernmentspending.com
b - budgeted estimate in US fy13 budget

#35

So, based on your stats, the numbers were sharply increasing in the Bush years and have been decreasing in the Obama years (2011 & 2012).

Obviously the ripples that Bush created lasted until 2010 and the work Ibama put in starting 2009 can be seen in 2011.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack

This is welfare spending. It is House of Representatives driven and Dems get 2008 to 2010, Republicans get 2010 on assuming we can get the senate to pass a budget some year.

Except for this little issue "g" 'guesstimated' ?

It is House of Representatives driven

Link?

Or is this just you being a partisan retard?

#38 | Posted by jpw

The house determins mandatory spending and discretionary spending in the budget.

Diagram and Timetable of the Federal Budget Process

Bush is at fault for 75% of that increase.

Or as Panfried says, 3/4 of that fornication happened during Clinton's Fourth Term.

#29 | Posted by northguy3

Dang! I knew Bill was a busy kind of guy. But George???!!!

2007 422.29 a
2008 497.06 a
2009 626.18 a
2010 786.58 e
2011 744.68 g

Almost amazing what happened when the dems took over both Houses from 2007-2001 in regards to welfare spending. Then given the third House in DC, they were almost able to double what they inherited in 2007 before losing the House in 2010.

HTF can anyone argue this clown is not the proverbial welfare president?

"Bush is at fault for 75% of that increase."

Good ol Michigan math... Maybe the graph in post #35 comes out differently as well on Northy's screen...

Maybe the graph in post #35 comes out differently as well on Northy's screen...

#42 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2012-02-22 10:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

The graph on post #35 shows Bush inherited a great economy, and Obama inherited a bad economy, and that the economy is improving under Obama. Youwant the idiots who got us into this mess to be put back in charge. That's because you are an idiot also.

Don't like abortion rights? Don't like all the illegitimate children being born? You can't be against both concepts and think you are making any sense. There are so many illegitimate children because pro-life people have been successful in stopping many young women from having abortions. That causes lots of illegitimate kids to be born. It isn't Obama that is responsible for so many illegitimate kids---it is the fault of the pro-life movement.

#44 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

You may have heard of this think called personal responsibility.
As in take personal responsibility for unprotected sex and man up?

If you get knocked up have the personal responsibility to obtain (a) husband (b)abortion (c)an adoption.

Personal responsibility not to be a burden on society.

If you get knocked up have the personal responsibility to obtain (a) husband (b)abortion (c)an adoption.

Personal responsibility not to be a burden on society.

#45 | Posted by paneocon at 2012-02-22 06:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

You have not refuted the point that it is the pro-life movement that has stopped many women from having abortions.

The pro-life platform for choice is a) Don't abort.

If the pro-lifers put out the choices you listed with every commercial they air, there wouldn't be so many illegitimate children.

As to falling back on---but but but PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!!---That is living in a dream land next door to LALA land and in the city of Never Going to Happen. Deal with the reality of the world. Making up your own reality gets in the way of the reality of the world around you. Face Facts.

Paneocon:
thanks for this post. I didn't realize until just now that illegitimacy didn't start in the history of the world until January 2009. But thanks to you, we also have proof that idiocy has a long and storied past.