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Monday, February 20, 2012

Doctors have begun to give sex-changing or puberty delaying treatments to a small but growing number of teens and younger children who think they were born the wrong sex, reports the medical journal Pediatrics. Dr. Norman Spack has set up one of the nation's first gender identity medical clinics at Children's Hospital Boston. "If you open the doors, these are the kids who come," Spack said. "They're out there. They're in your practices."

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How the hell can an 8 year old know it is the wrong sex?

Hang on, Glasshouse. I am sure some idiot lefty will come along soon to explain it to you by cussing and calling you stupid.

Isn't that the truth.

If an 8y/o can understand and realize the consequences of their actions with regards to their sexuality then they should be able to make decisions with regards to all other aspects of their life?????

"These children sometimes resort to self-mutilation to try to change their anatomy; the other two journal reports note that some face verbal and physical abuse and are prone to stress, depression and suicide attempts. Spack said those problems typically disappear in kids who've had treatment and are allowed to live as the opposite sex."

Would you rather the kids mutilate themselves?

Would you rather the kids mutilate themselves?

#5 | POSTED BY NESS_GADOL AT 2012-02-20 12:00 PM

Do they really?

"These adults are the insane ones, not the poor kids. Unless you're talking about Catholic priests, of course, and then it's all the kids' fault."

-Dumbo

Do they really?

Is the article lying?

Some crazy people somewhere did something insane or weird.

Blame the evil liburals.

Vote Frothy. Or Willard.

Makes perfect sense to the mouthbreathing morons.

1st three posts = wingding dream team.

"How the hell can an 8 year old know it is the wrong sex?"

Not every eight-year-old is as obtuse as you are, Glasshouse.

Then children are given puberty-blocking drugs, in monthly $1,000 injections or implants imbedded in the arm.

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Next Big Pharmacy influence?

How the hell can an 8 year old know it is the wrong sex?

The question you should be asking is how could an 8-year-old be so profoundly unhappy over his or her gender that it becomes a long-term psychological problem?

No one can deny that some adults feel such profound unease about their gender that they seek gender-assignment surgery. The American Psychological Association estimates 1 in 10,000 biological men and 1 in 30,000 biological females are transsexuals.

All of them were kids at one point. Should their parents have completely refused to consider preparing them for a sex change until they were adults and puberty had made them even more of the gender they would later reject?

It's a tough issue. I can't imagine dealing with it as a parent. But pretending gender identity disorder doesn't ever happen to kids is foolish and cruel.

The article says the child knew at 18 months and said "I a boy". I find that hard to believe.

The idea that these kids are too young to make any other major, life-altering, adult decisions other than this one is absurd. This is not a decision a minor is qualified ot make, especially when we're talking about small kids.

The adults involved are horrible human beings.

Some people think they are vampires. One of the guys that used to work for halfheartedly believed he was a ware wolf. Some people believe that they are space aliens. Some people believe that they are an animal trapped in a human body. Some people believe they are Jesus.

The list is pretty long.

If they told us that they were a vampire we would tell them they weren't. But somehow we've convinced ourselves that a man can end up in a woman's body.

"These children sometimes resort to self-mutilation to try to change their anatomy; the other two journal reports note that some face verbal and physical abuse and are prone to stress, depression and suicide attempts."

Oddly, so do schizophrenics. Do we mutilate their genitals or cater to their delusions to treat them?

P.S. I like my original thread title more, Rcade!

"It's a tough issue. I can't imagine dealing with it as a parent. But pretending gender identity disorder doesn't ever happen to kids is foolish and cruel."

Agreed that it must be very tough. But why call it a disorder, which implies a mental disease, and not treat the mental disease? Mutilation is a permanent and awful 'solution' to this.

But why call it a disorder, which implies a mental disease, and not treat the mental disease? Mutilation is a permanent and awful 'solution' to this.

Delaying puberty is a drastic step, but it isn't the same thing as mutilation.

I don't know what I'd do as a parent if my kid was certain he was the wrong gender and deeply unhappy for years about it. It would be extremely difficult to consent to delaying puberty through drugs and even harder to OK a late-teen sex change.

My guess is that parents try treating the disorder as a mental health issue first, hoping the child will come to terms with his or her born gender.

I wonder how any parent could bring himself to okay such a radical thing. I can't help but think there is a little goading toward the operation by a few doctors here.
If he or she wants to do it when an adult, then let the decision be made then, I'd say.

This is the reason that we used to put these kids in mental hospitals,away from the fruitcakes that tell them that they can "change" the sex they are. It is also why gays and lesbians weren't allowed to adopt,To protect children from their warped views. Just take the 8 year old boy whose 2 "moms" put him on drugs to suppress puberty until he could decided whether or not to become an "IT" instead of becoming a man as nature intended.There is no way you can change your sex,and those women should have been put in prison for trying to convince a child , a male child, he could grow up to be a woman like his two "moms". If he had of been my son and these two women tried to convince him of that . I 'd be answering to 12 of my peers.

"I can't help but think there is a little goading toward the operation by a few doctors here."

I would agree. Reminds me of John Money
en.wikipedia.org

These adults are the insane ones, not the poor kids. Unless you're talking about Catholic priests, of course, and then it's all the kids' fault."
-Dumbo

#7 | POSTED BY LETUSPREY AT 2012-02-20 12:36 PM | REPLY | FLAG

These aren't Catholic priests as much as just good old fashion homosexuals who happened to join the priesthood to be near a source of young boys, just run of the mill homos doing what homos do best.Preying for the children.

Easy, Eddy. lettuce is under the delusion I defend clergy abuse. Hey! Maybe a sex change will 'cure' his delusion like these kids!

When I was 8 years old I thought I was the Messiah now I know I am

Do they really?

Is the article lying?

#8 | Posted by ness_gadol at 2012-02-20 12:41 PM | Reply |

Possibly. Has it ever occurred to your cerebrum to follow the dictum "follow the money". You would think you would learn something about the scientists pushing AGW. How about all the docs justifying cosmetic surgeries through pushing the BS about inferiority complexes of people indulging themselves. How about all the kids labelled ADHD in order to justify making money off them and drugging them. How about all the over-diagnoses of autism. How about the past rage of psychologists that put in kids minds that they were sexually abused when they weren't and went on to ruin a large number of lives in the process.

Don't forget the crazes of removing tonsils and the appendix at the drop of a hat, too.

#9 | Posted by axe at 2012-02-20 01:00 PM | Reply Some people think they are vampires. One of the guys that used to work for halfheartedly believed he was a ware wolf. Some people believe that they are space aliens. Some people believe that they are an animal trapped in a human body. Some people believe they are Jesus.

The list is pretty long.

#16 | Posted by Huguenot at 2012-02-20 02:58 PM | Reply

Excrement thinks he's living in a house instead of a mental institution.

"It would be so nice to move this out of the world of mental health, and into the medical world," Olson said."

That about says it all.

So instead of treating the mental disorder--make it a medical treatment program for millions of dollars to be made.

I guess they would do this to people with anorexia too.

Just give in to the disorder and let them die or not eating.

Don't forget the crazes of removing tonsils and the appendix at the drop of a hat, too.

#29 | Posted by Diablo at 2012-02-20 03:58 PM | Reply

How about the inordinate number of C-sections or hysterectomies? MTW probably could expound on that one.

How about all the lefties that think they're rational and entitled to other's hard earned dollars because they were born and entitled to it.

When I was 8 years old I thought I was the Messiah now I know I am

#27 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch at 2012-02-20 03:53 PM | Reply

I don't know Gimme; there's a guy in the WH that thinks the same thing and we know how whacko he's been acting.

"How about all the lefties that think they're rational and entitled to other's hard earned dollars because they were born and entitled to it."

How about all the righties who are convinced that not only are they intelligent, but that God has a seat in Congress and is itching to vote exactly the way they do?

How about all the righties who are convinced that not only are they intelligent, but that God has a seat in Congress and is itching to vote exactly the way they do?

#34 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore at 2012-02-20 04:13 PM | Reply |

Ah, finally. A convert in the making. MTW is finally seeing the light!!!!

www.youtube.com

"Delaying puberty is a drastic step, but it isn't the same thing as mutilation."

Its criminal. Of all the events in these kids' lives that may clear things up for them a bit, hitting puberty is THE event that would do it.

The reason for delaying puberty is to make mutilating the kid easier in the future. But the kid may not want to be mutilated if he/she reaches puberty and discovers that his/her birth sex seems to agree with them.

Nobody could possibly make an informed decision on having a sex change without reaching puberty. This is just insanity.

How about all the righties who are convinced that not only are they intelligent, but that God has a seat in Congress and is itching to vote exactly the way they do?

#34 | POSTED BY MARYTYLERWHORE

There is only one God Mary, and he shall be known as Tedly. I will never be in Congress because of the separation of church and state. If you would like a copy of the Book of Tedly send 39.00 USD and a self paid envelope to Tedly at Tedly, USA.

Order within the next 10 minutes and I'll include a surprise gift worth nothing.

I wonder if what would happen if these kids were never subjected to TV or gender "sensitivity" classes.

While I still think that a small amount of these kids might end up wanting to change their gender when they turn the "appropriate" age, I think the number would be greatly decreased.

Do we let 8 year olds have operations for anorexia or weight issues? What if they think they are a pirate and want a wooden leg and an eye patch? As long as they mutilate themselves, give it to them?

To be honest there are a lot of mixed message coming from the general proponents of this kind of thing.

Most post modernists, the kind who repudiate traditional thinking on almost any subject including those that surround sexuality, are usually quick to point out their belief that gender is a social construct. Men and women are born male and female--an anatomical or biological distinction--but not boys and girls. These identities, particularly masculine and feminine ones, are learned.

This does not exactly square with a pro transsexual position. If a child-- or an adult for that matter-- has identified with a gender that differs from the traditional alignment of their anatomy--then the issue is with the gender identity that they have learned-not their anatomy or some physically based determinant. To suggest otherwise is to accept that gender is not merely a social construct but a biological imperative.

I wonder how feminists and other post modernists justify non reversible physical augmentation for a problem that must be from their perspective culturally based. After all feminists have been telling us for decades that men and women have to change their thinking about gender, that we have to question and augment what often feels "natural" about traditional masculine and feminine identity. Of course that is not the case when it comes to feeling unnatural about one's gender. Then the course to take is surgery.

Post modernists or feminists perhaps want it both ways. (There is a pun somewhere in there which I am not going near.)

i blame A&E's Toddlers and Tiaras.

The young are not mixed up enough already. Now doctors are meddling and not medicaling.

There are people who think if only the doctors would cut off their left leg (Or finger,ear,toe,hand arm) all their problems would go away.

These children can and are effected immensely by their environment or whacked out parents.

Cases in point would be the insane parents that gives their children things that make them sick just so they can take them to the hospital so the parent can get sympathy (Attention) from the hospital staff,spouses and friends.

And how many parents are doing this sick stuff to their kids just for a pay day or think they will be on one of the T.V. shows that gives these type of sickos parents a forum.

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
You better hope so, because once you jump this fence you can't jump back to where you were.

And as always, where are these numbers about how many people are Transsexual coming from.
Its either some one making money off of these people or some group trying to say its normal to do this.
The percentage of the population that these people represent is so infinitesimally small it would not even rate the word anomaly to describe them.

However as long as I don't have to pay for the surgery in any way or any of their treatment in any way, go to it.

This would be considered elective surgery no different than say a face lift of tummy tuck, so I can't see any insurance company paying for it.

So that leads me to believe the Libtarts will want the citizens to pay for it under some kind of mental health issue.

But you all knew that from the Head Line, did you not ?

..... NOPE IN NOVEMBER....

"Order within the next 10 minutes and I'll include a surprise gift worth nothing."

That's hardly a surprise.

Everything I've ever seen you give this board is worth nothing.

I wonder how feminists and other post modernists justify non reversible physical augmentation... -- #39 | Posted by Grendel

??! When did you stop beating your wife?

It's difficult to imagine feminists like Camille Paglia, Katie Roiphe, and Laura Schlesinger supporting transexualism.

"If they told us that they were a vampire we would tell them they weren't"
.
we had a vampire for a neighbor, the other neighbors snuck in and drove a stake through his heart, as they were driving the stake the vampire shouted "I'm not a vampire", but we all knew that vampires lie.

The ONLY thing that would cause this is a 'parent' or close relative challenging the childs status over an extended period of time. I've seen women who have given birth to girls telling them, that when they get married they'll find out how painful having a baby was, over and over!

Just like the Priest OR dear uncle Bob, left alone to 'watch the kids' says 'Relax, you'll enjoy it. Remember you can't tell your mom and dad, they just won't understand how WE feel about each other' or 'God wanted me to bless you in this way, and it's to be kept between you, me, and God, All right?'

A child is, between the ages of 6 and 10 (some older), curious about their bodies and their development. If distracted / led down a different path during this time they will generally turn out to be whatever the distractor wills (some will be capable of reverting with little affects - others not), as they've not had the chance to explore the alternative.

As they get older, they see that other people look askance toward their behavior. They, in some cases, then become defensive (or outright offense oriented - outrageous displays, etc.) and withdraw further into the life-style. Others bounce back and forth without much concern, marrying - having children AND running the line!

You can scare, or lure, a child! Once they've been 'involved' they usually think this is the way 'things are supposed to be' - never having seen the 'other' way.

I have talked to several 'gay'' and 'Bi' friends who have other straight friends they're not interested in 'that way', and most have said this is so, most not all! (almost all were initiated by an uncle - aunt) So keep your eye on your Brother / sister - or the Priest!?!

"It's difficult to imagine feminists like Camille Paglia, Katie Roiphe, and Laura Schlesinger supporting transexualism."

Laura Schlesinger is a feminist like Pat Robertson is a philosopher.

Laura Schlesinger is "Dr. Laura" - social conservative, and luckily for most radio markets, former radio host.

If it's good enough for Lady Gaga, it's good enough for anyone!

Laura Schlesinger is a feminist like Pat Robertson is a philosopher. -- #47 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore

Agreed. But her "men are slaves to their sexuality and women can/should dominate by exploiting their weakness" line makes her a direct descendant of Paglia.

#47 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore

Better: "Laura Schlessinger is a feminist like Pat Robertson is a conservative." You may not like the particular brand of feminism/conservativism they subscribe to, or think either is very bright, but their views are easily identifiable as feminism/conservativism to those familiar with the diversity of thought within each.

"These children sometimes resort to self-mutilation to try to change their anatomy; the other two journal reports note that some face verbal and physical abuse and are prone to stress, depression and suicide attempts.

#5 | Posted by ness_gadol at 2012-02-20 12:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

That sounds indicative of a mental disorder.

Its criminal. Of all the events in these kids' lives that may clear things up for them a bit, hitting puberty is THE event that would do it.

The reason for delaying puberty is to make mutilating the kid easier in the future. But the kid may not want to be mutilated if he/she reaches puberty and discovers that his/her birth sex seems to agree with them.

Nobody could possibly make an informed decision on having a sex change without reaching puberty. This is just insanity.

#36 | Posted by Sully at 2012-02-20 04:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

What I find interesting about this puberty blocking drug issue is the correlation to the abortion discussion. In the abortion discussion it is always mentioned that the women are acting on their rights to their own body and the child does not have rights yet. When asked when the child does have rights in which the woman cannot take action against their body they always say "after the child is born".

Yet, here we are, women taking action against a child's body and as reitze likes to say, "making the child a slave".

ah yes the liberal world....

heres hoping some of you have kids who come to you and say...can you float me ten grand..im tired of having a dick.

im tired of having a dick.

#54 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2012-02-21 11:51 AM | Reply | Flag; tired of having a brain

Same BS from the same generation of doctors who are diagnosing 2 in 10 kids as ADHD and giving them speed to "fix the problem"?

This will not end nicely for these kids. I think counseling may be the way to handle this versus drugs.

On the flip-side, GOP still wages War on Women and Contraception.

This will not end nicely for these kids. I think counseling may be the way to handle this versus drugs.

On the flip-side, GOP still wages War on Women and Contraception.

#57 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2012-02-21 04:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are you trying to insinuate that these children should have been prevented or aborted?

What next, I don't like my height, race, intelligence and I demand that medicine fix it?

Its OK to change your name, but this is a $50,000 solution looking for a two-bit problem.

How about this..........Husbands and wives should all undergo sex changes IMMEDIATELY under the HHS. Betcha a million dollars that the husband-now-wives demand a full out war to see a reversal of this IMMEDIATELY!

Same BS from the same generation of doctors who are diagnosing 2 in 10 kids as ADHD and giving them speed to "fix the problem"?

#56 | Posted by YouHateMe

Bingo. I guess the impending turn for the morbidly surreal has arrived. Im not associating you with my outlook, but the ADHD issue is most definetly a clear indicator of a culture in freefall. Kids should have a healthy blend of physical activity, competition, and academics, and they arent getting it in the current mode. No doubt, the people running institutional education view it as too masculine, therefore threatening.

Every society takes a turn for the weird at some point. Usually its at the height of its prosperity. Lady Gaga showing up in a meat-dress? Marilyn Manson, Dennis Rodman and modern art? You cant help but sense the putrification. I'm not a Victorian, but you can't live life free from the concept of consequences. I find it absolutely mind-blowing that there are people on here defending this perversity.

This is stupid, the journalist introduce lame ideas to everyone and then everyone tries it, because everyone is stupid.

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