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WISCONSIN STATE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE DROPS TO 7.3 PERCENT
U.S Bureau of Labor Statistics corrects overestimate of Wisconsin's October job loss numbers to 2,400 from 9,700

MADISON â€" Department of Workforce Development (DWD) today released the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) monthly report showing Wisconsin's unemployment rate dropped to 7.3 percent from 7.7 percent.

October’s job loss number was significantly reduced to 2,400 from the initial estimate of 9,700, a 75 percent correction.

Secretary Reggie Newson today issued a statement on the newest set of monthly Wisconsin employment numbers.

"October was the fifth straight month and the eighth month this year in which the federal government overestimated the preliminary job loss numbers or underestimated job gains for Wisconsin," Secretary Newson said. “I am particularly concerned by the disparity in the October preliminary numbers, which were off by 7,300 for total jobs and 7,900 for private-sector jobs. These unreliable employment statistics out of
Washington misinform the public and create unnecessary anxiety for job seekers and job creators about the shape of our state's economy.”

According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), Wisconsin's revised numbers show the state lost 2,400 jobs in October, roughly a 75 percent correction from their initial estimate of 9,700 jobs. Meanwhile, Wisconsin added 11,000 jobs in June, but BLS initially underestimated that number by roughly 1,500 jobs.

"The most troubling thing to me is the effects these initial estimates have on the perception of Wisconsin's workforce," continued Secretary Newson. "The monthly revisions show a much steadier trajectory with gains being higher and losses being much lower than the BLS" initial reports. While there certainly is more progress to be made, we are moving Wisconsin in the right direction and laying the groundwork for the private sector to create jobs.”

Since January 2011, the revisions between the state's preliminary job loss numbers and the revised numbers have varied wildly:

U.S Bureau of Labor Statistics corrects overestimate of Wisconsin's October job loss numbers to 2,400 from 9,700

#1 | Posted by paneocon at 2012-02-15 02:12 PM

So you agree with the headline.

But but but... it is LESS jobs lost.

- Paneo.

#2 | Posted by DARTHCHENEY
#3 | Posted by 726

Read the article. Is learning impairment a requirement for being a lib?

Month Preliminary Final Revision Preliminary Final Revision
July 2011 (8,200) (6,400) +1,800 (12,500) (10,800)
August 2011 (2,300) (500) +1,800 (800) (200)
September 2011 (12,400) (11,000) +1,400 (900) (800)
October 2011 (9,700) (2,400) +7,300 (9,300) (1,400)

I see it is for you.

July -10800
Aug -200
Sept -800
October -1400

Just because the revised the job losses downward, it does not mean jobs were added.

Wisconsin lost private-sector jobs for the fifth consecutive month in November, the same months that the nation has been adding private-sector jobs, according to a report Thursday from the state Department of Workforce Development.

The state lost an estimated 11,700 private-sector jobs in November from October,

Just because the revised the job losses downward, it does not mean jobs were added.#5 | Posted by 726

If unemployment went down and job loses went down what conclusion do you draw?

WISCONSIN DECEMBER UNEMPLOYMENT RATE DROPS TO 7.1 PERCENT

U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics data show 21,400 more residents working since December ‘10

MADISON â€" The Department of Workforce Development (DWD) today released the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) preliminary data for December, showing Wisconsin’s unemployment rate dropped to 7.1 percent from 7.3 percent in November and 7.5 percent in December 2010, as the number of Wisconsinites working increased by 6,900 over the month and by 21,400 since December 2010.

“Our unemployment rate continues to decline and more Wisconsinites are working,” Secretary Reggie Newson said. Challenges remain, but the latest data show we finished 2011 with more Wisconsinites working, record postings of over 151,500 on JobCenterofWisconsin.com, and higher state sales and withholding tax collections over the year, all of which point to economic growth for our state.”

The monthly estimated nonfarm employment was revised upward for the month of November for both total and private-sector jobs. The revised numbers for November show a net 13,600 total nonfarm loss and 10,600 for private sector loss, out of a total nonfarm employment base of 2.74 million jobs:

Estimated change in employment, in thousands
Total Nonfarm Private
Month / Nonfarm Final / Private Final / Total
January 2011 / +1,500 / +1,200 / +2,700
February 2011 / +3,000 / - (600) / + 2,400
March 2011 / - (1,400) / - (2,200) / -(3,600)
April 2011 / +1,200 / +600 / +1,800
May 2011 / - (200) / +0 / -(200)
June 2011 / +1,500 / +1,900 / + 3,400
July 2011 / +1,800 / +1,700 / + 3,500
August / +1,800 / +600 / + 2,400
September 2011 / +1,400 / +100 / +1,500
October 2011 / +7,300 / +7,900 / +15,200
November 2011 / +1,000 / +1,100 / + 2,100
Total Nonfarm and Private 31,200 jobs created

Thanks for playing

#6 | Posted by paneocon

You think Big Thinkers like DarthCheney and 726 are going to understand they just got their asses handed to them again? I mean. it's the 18th time in the 20 minutes.

Libtards always tell me that when you take over for a failed executive, it can take some time before the ship of state is righted again. Apparently that sentiment doesn't apply to Walker.

But yeah, I'm sure Walker's strategy of lower corporate taxes and less regulation is what caused the job losses. Corporations hate that shit.

Pretty fucking funny considering the Wisconsin Senate Democrats and 1 RHINO are killing the Northern Wisconsin Iron Mine today. Why do they hate Union Workers at Gogebic Taconite, Caterpillar, etc?

#7 | Posted by wisgod

They have had their ass handed to them so many times I doubt they have an ass left. Thank GOD I'm no longer a liberal it would suck to be wrong that much.

"Estimated change in employment, in thousands"

You missed or avoided December, and a preliminary loss of 5,600 jobs.

Not only that, but the legend states the numbers are in "thousands" when they're clearly not.

#10 | Posted by wisgod

I have a good friend who is a CPA in WI and he writes me that his friends suggest that Obama was in town today because WI is in play for the Republicans due to the back lash and tax payer expense of the recal? Who knows?

Looks like Gov. Perpwalker and the Wisconsin GOP will be creating jobs in the prison guard sector anyways.

12 | Posted by Danforth

The revised numbera are not out for Dec so where is no reason to assume the dep of labor numbers are not crap again. Make you a bet if the revised number come out to a lost of 3,900 jobs as first reported then I will stay off the DR for one month and if it's revised down you are out of here for a month?

"they just got their asses handed to them again? "

Via cherry-picking and a lie? From your link, it looks like 63,300 jobs have been lost in WI over the last 6 months, at a time where the rest of the country is adding jobs.

You had to go back a year, ignore the December numbers, and rely on folks who don't seem to know the difference between a thousand and a million.

I have a good friend who is a CPA in WI and he writes me that his friends suggest that Obama was in town today because WI is in play for the Republicans due to the back lash and tax payer expense of the recal? Who knows?

#13 | Posted by paneocon

Yeah, he was at Masterlock talking about how they could of left the Country, but didn't. I guess Walker fucked up and couldn't drive them out.

Funny to watch libbies who celebrate the falling unemployment rate in Obama's America, courtesy of a collapsing labor force, try to twist themselves into saying the opposite is true in WI.

It's hard for any governor to turn things around, when the jack boot of Obama's Washington in on the throat of everyone.

"It's hard for any governor to turn things around, when the jack boot of Obama's Washington in on the throat of everyone"

If the jackboot of Obama is on the throat of "everyone", why didn't everyone experience job losses in the last 6 months?

16 | Posted by Danforth

These numbers are provided by U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics and published by Department of Workforce Development. I'll drop them a note on contacting Danforth for the correct numbers.

How about the bet pencil boy, I could use 30 days without you around.

This thread is a classic. Obama comes to town to make a big deal of Masterlock staying in Wisconsin thanks to Walker and 2008, Northguy and Danforth are too fucking stupid to realize what he just did for the Govenor.

"The revised numbera are not out for Dec so where is no reason to assume the dep of labor numbers are not crap again."

Except they've revised numbers downward as well.

You added over 20% to what they were claiming, by purposely avoiding certain stats.

After, of course, moving the goalposts to include 11 months.

"These numbers are provided by U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics and published by Department of Workforce Development. I'll drop them a note on contacting Danforth for the correct numbers."

That doesn't change the fact you cherry-picked, and then purposely left out a month which would have made your case weaker.

"If the jackboot of Obama is on the throat of "everyone", why didn't everyone experience job losses in the last 6 months?"

Because repubs were smart enough not to pass his stupid, useless amateur written jobs bill last September. You know, the one that predicted U/E would be at 8.9% for this year had it passed?

Better yet, wtf has Obama done to deserve this pathetic uptick in the economy?

"I could use 30 days without you around."

Then who would point out how intellectually dishonest you are on a daily basis?

#22 | Posted by Danforth

"Because repubs were smart enough not to pass his stupid, useless amateur written jobs bill last September."

Nice pathetic try, but that doesn't address the question as to why WI is losing jobs at a time when the country is adding them.

#25 | Posted by Danforth

"This is the relevant data from the government and agreed to by the state of WI."

And you purposely left out December, which showed your claim to be overstated by more than 20%.

Get ready for it. Danforth is combing this thread for spelling errors so he can save face.

Every other month was adjusted but that won't happen in December. -Danforth

#29

Bwahahahaha! If you lost, you'd just create yet ANOTHER handle.

Right, Lokisfur/Bowa/Derfla/
Rastaninja/Paneocon?

"Nice pathetic try, but that doesn't address the question as to why WI is losing jobs at a time when the country is adding them."

Pathetic would be giving Obama credit for adding jobs when he hasn't done dick. Maybe we can credit Harry Reid as well for not have any legislation brought to the floor. lmao

#27 | Posted by JOE

You don't get the feeling that the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics is intentionally sand bagging WI to help the recall and play to the WI lib media? If not they suck at their job, Crooked or incompetent?

you purposely left out December

Try reading his link.

The Department of Workforce Development (DWD) today released the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) preliminary data for December, showing Wisconsin's unemployment rate dropped to 7.1 percent from 7.3 percent in November and 7.5 percent in December 2010, as the number of Wisconsinites working increased by 6,900 over the month and by 21,400 since December 2010.

"Every other month was adjusted but that won't happen in December. -Danforth"

Other months were adjusted downward, but we're going to ignore that fact and ignore December's bad news altogether--Wissy

"Try reading his link."

I did. That's how I discovered he was posting the chart, making a cherry-picked claim, and ignoring 8% of the chart which showed his claim was overstated by 20%.

Did you notice the same thing, or did that fly past you?

"Wisconsin's unemployment rate dropped to 7.1 percent'

I think that's great, and it shows good news which may be at odds with Lokisfur's link.

That said, it doesn't change the fact the chart was cherry-picked, and negative numbers purposely left out.

This is a press release that Scott Walker and the WI republicans should be proud of.

UNEMPLOYMENT RATES DROP OR HOLD STEADY IN NINE METRO AREAS
December rates lower for all 12 metro areas, nearly all cities, counties, compared to December 2010

"Pathetic would be giving Obama credit for adding jobs when he hasn't done dick. Maybe we can credit Harry Reid as well for not have any legislation brought to the floor. lmao'

Great, more deflection.

Are you going to address the issue, or should we expect the trifecta of shiny squirrels?

"We will have to wait for the Danforth revised numbers."

Nah, I'll just ignore the bad months, and report the good months, like you.

The unemployment rate is 7.1% at the end of December, 2011. I really don't get what your point is Danforth unless you're claiming the national rate is less.

#39 | Posted by Danforth

Hey pencil boy. In accounting negative numbers are the ones in (###) You will see that they are in the chart and my numbers.

In accounting negative numbers are the ones in (###) You will see that they are in the chart and my numbers.

Not December 2011.

Unless you're getting your calculators from Vernon these days.

Danforth, I apologize. I didn't see your #39.

Great, more deflection.

Are you going to address the issue, or should we expect the trifecta of shiny squirrels?
Posted by Danforth at 2012-02-15 06:23 PM

Errr who brought Obama into the picture?

"If the jackboot of Obama is on the throat of "everyone", why didn't everyone experience job losses in the last 6 months?"

"I really don't get what your point is Danforth unless you're claiming the national rate is less."

The country has been adding jobs in the last 6 months. WI has been losing them. Why the disconnect?

As we've seen, it could just be poor methods of surveys, and other indicators-- like income tax revenues -- point to growth. But to post a chart where you ignore 8% of the numbers so you can overstate something by 20% is intellectually dishonest, regardless.

"Errr who brought Obama into the picture?"

RiR.

RIF.

"I didn't see your #39

No problem, my friend. Thanks.

#48 | Posted by Danforth

I would think that someone who was so sure of the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics wouid jump at the chance to kick me off the DR for 30 whole days.

You can graph multiple States with this tool. I don't see how Wisconsin is trending much different from the States I checked.

"I would think that someone who was so sure of the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics wouid jump at the chance to kick me off the DR for 30 whole days."

I would think that someone who's had to slink away so many times, only to resurface under a different handle would see the worthless value of your word.

#53 | Posted by Danforth

You more that welcome to ask RCADE if I have ever had another log on name, assigned to my IP address

"You more that welcome to ask RCADE if I have ever had another log on name, assigned to my IP address"

All that takes is a different computer. But you knew that, didn't you?

How about if I ask you, directly?

Have you ever posted on the DR under any other name(s), and if so, what name(s)?

How about if I ask you, directly?
Have you ever posted on the DR under any other name(s), and if so, what name(s)? #55 | Posted by Danforth

Nope never, never have and never will.

Doesn't matter paneocon. Danforth knows it but because he is too scared to accept your bet and wont admit it......it's easier to accuse you of welching on a be he is afraid to take

Eventually you guys will learn your lesson with respects to a certain poster on here, as I have.

eventually.

Democrats are like angry bees trying to sting anyone who dismantles their corrupt bloated system of union thugs stealing from the treasury. Good riddance to the union in Wisconsin. Governor Walker has done a great job in eliminating waste and fraud in Wisconsin and it started with getting rid of the unions!

Stick that shit in your pipe and smoke it.

#60 | Posted by dnmxt eliminating waste and fraud in Wisconsin and it started with getting rid of the unions!

He didn't6 get rid of the unions only ask them to pay a little more towards their health care and pension.. I can't imagine the lib hissy fit if he tried a right to work law.

July 2011 / +1,800 / +1,700 / + 3,500
August / +1,800 / +600 / + 2,400
September 2011 / +1,400 / +100 / +1,500
October 2011 / +7,300 / +7,900 / +15,200
November 2011 / +1,000 / +1,100 / + 2,100
Total Nonfarm and Private 31,200 jobs created
dwd.wisconsin.gov
Thanks for playing

#6 | POSTED BY PANEOCON AT 2012-02-15 05:32 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

June 2011 +9,500 +11,000 +1,500 +12,900 +14,800 +1,900
July 2011 (8,200) (6,400) +1,800 (12,500) (10,800) +1,700
August 2011 (2,300) (500) +1,800 (800) (200) +600
September 2011 (12,400) (11,000) +1,400 (900) (800) +100
October 2011 (9,700) (2,400) +7,300 (9,300) (1,400) +7,900
November 2011 (14,600) (13,600) +1,000 (11,700) (10,600

When you figger out what those (###)'s mean come back.

Change your login from 726 to regurgitate.

Still haven't figgered out what a bracketed number mean's eh Wissy?

Still haven't figgered out what a bracketed number mean's eh Wissy?

#64 | Posted by 726

We went over that yesterday afternoon, you ignoramus. Jesus Christ, get a bilge pump for that fucking head of yours.

The chart is confusing. The FINAL numbers are a loss. Why are you totaling up the revision numbers?

"He didn't get rid of the unions only ask them to pay a little more towards their health care and pension."

Bullshit. He also voided their abilities to negotiate for working conditions, usually the major bulk of any Union contract. Your statement is either an outright lie, or proof of partisan ignorance.

WAIT A FUCKIN MINUTE HERE

I JUST HEARD the president on tv getting all excited about jobs that HE HELPED create in a factory in wisconsin...

Recap....

"Just over a year later, Walker and the Republicans in the state legislature have nearly eliminated the deficit. For the two-year budget cycle, the state will show a $143 million shortfall because the stagnant economy has resulted in lower tax receipts than had been projected. But the shortfall is for the first half of the cycle; Wisconsin will run a surplus in the current fiscal year. And Walker said last week that he will eliminate the remaining shortfall without raising taxes. It’s a credible claim. He reduced the deficit without raising taxes. In fact, one of his first moves upon being sworn in was to cut taxes on businesses. His subsequent reforms have allowed property tax receipts to go down for the first time in yearsâ€"by some $47 million.

The recall vote Walker faces comes because of these results. The key to his success was his restructuring of health and retirement benefits for many state employees, asking them to contribute 5.8 percent of their salary to their pensions (up from 1 percent or less) and to pay 12.6 percent of their health insurance premiums (up from 6 percent or so).

Even some of the governor’s harshest critics acknowledged that such changes were reasonable. “Walker is right about one thing,” wrote Eugene Robinson, liberal columnist for the Washington Post. “When it comes to pensions and benefits, public workers in Wisconsin have a sweet deal. .  .  . It’s easy to see why the average private-sector worker in Wisconsinâ€"probably paying upward of 25 percent toward health insurance costs and struggling to tuck away something, anything for retirementâ€"might agree with Walker.”

Walker understood from his years as Milwaukee County Executive that such changes could not occur without dramatic reforms of collective bargaining for public employee unions. So he proposed them, and Republicans in the state legislature made them law. The reforms also ended compulsory union membership."

Fuckin' unions...

"Walker doesn’t like to talk about the effect the past year has had on him and his family, but it hasn’t been pleasant. He has been subjected to numerous death threats. His wife, Tonette, has been verbally assaulted more times than she can count. His two teenaged boys have been targeted on Facebook. His modest home in Wauwatosa has been the site of several union protests. Last month, a protester outside Walker’s State of the State speech told State Senator John Kleefisch that his wife, Lieutenant Governor Rebecca Kleefisch, is a “fâ€"ing whore.”

"The reforms also ended compulsory union membership."

This my friends, is what this is all about.

#67 | Posted by Danforth

Please prove that what I posted is wrong? Not what I may have left something out but what I wrote is in error. Remember it was you who lectured me the other day on the nuances of being precise.

Right blame the unions.

I mean there is just NO WAY it could be the fault of that ignoramus Walker?

"Please prove that what I posted is wrong?"

The word "only".

I mean there is just NO WAY it could be the fault of that ignoramus Walker?

#72 | Posted by Monstman

Fault for what, Tit-mouse? Winning the election, fixing a budget mess left by his preecessor and not raising property taxes? You think the private sector doesn't outnumber the State Workers and Teachers?

"The reforms also ended compulsory union membership."

IOW, it allows freeloaders to get all the benefits of the contract without having to pay a penny. They can pick up the phone, and demand the Union investigate any aspect of the contract they feel is being violated, they get every benefit and protection negotiated, and they don't have to contribute at all.

The changes also added the costs of a re-election every year to the costs of the Union, something the legislature doesn't have to face.

"Remember it was you who lectured me the other day on the nuances of being precise."

And you didn't correct your sloppiness.

it allows freeloaders to get all the benefits of the contract without having to pay a penny

The union is no longer negotiating on anything other than wages, and even then the increase cannot exceed the cost of living increase.

In other words, the union is no longer obtaining any "benefits" in any contract; those benefits are put there by government. Any public worker getting a benefit from his employment agreement will now be thanking government and not the union.

The word "only".
#73 | Posted by Danforth

OK I'm going to give you that one, picky as it is, as I intend to hold you to the same standard in the future.

IOW, it allows freeloaders to get all the benefits of the contract without having to pay a penny.
#75 | Posted by Danforth

I agree, but it also exposed either their lack of loyalty or what they thought they were getting for their money.

Anyone with a brain knows the outrage over Walker is pure manufactured bullshit.

Where's the outrage over the fact that for the last decade, Congressional Democrats have literally never trying to strengthen the practically non-existent collective bargaining "rights" of federal public employees?

Where's the outrage over Obama's 2013 budget proposing another 1.2% increase in employee pension contributions, a $27,000,000,000.00 "pay cut" for federal workers?

If Walker's policies have created job losses in Wisconsin, it looks like Obama intends to follow suit nationwide. Do you care?

You fucking tools don't give a shit about workers. You care about power, plain and simple.

Anyone with a brain knows the outrage over Walker is pure manufactured bullshit.
#80 | Posted by JOE

Anyone with a brain knows the outrage over Obama is pure manufactured bullshit.

Anyone with a brain knows the outrage over Obama is pure manufactured bullshit.

#81 | Posted by skizziks

Right, one guy balances a budget and one guy doesn't have one.

The chart is confusing. The FINAL numbers are a loss. Why are you totaling up the revision numbers?

#66 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2012-02-16 11:21 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Right, one guy balances a budget and one guy doesn't have one.
#82 | Posted by wisgod

......we'll see.....

Obama's may not get his budget past the Repubs, but it would be good for America if they gave it a chance.

Where's the outrage over Obama's 2013 budget proposing another 1.2% increase in employee pension contributions, a $27,000,000,000.00 "pay cut" for federal workers?

hmmm have you asked any actual Federal workers yet?

hmmm have you asked any actual Federal workers yet?

Since when is that a requirement? There were plenty of people who aren't Wisconsin public workers ready to fill up 300-post threads about Walker.

Donnerboy needs one of these tatto'd on his fucking forehead...

BonerBoy was one of those non-Wisconsin workers who had no problem expressing outrage over Walker.

Keep trying to balance the budget on the backs of the public workers and the middle class.
That should work out really well come election time.
Posted by donnerboy at 2011-05-26 02:21 PM

Obama's trying to balance the budget on the backs of public workers. Why don't liberals care?

"OK I'm going to give you that one, picky as it is"

You're not going to "give" me anything. You were wrong, and left out the larger part of the equation.

"I intend to hold you to the same standard in the future."

Try holding yourself to that standard first.

Since when is that a requirement? There were plenty of people who aren't Wisconsin public workers ready to fill up 300-post threads about Walker.

#86 | Posted by JOE

you said where is the outrage...I am pretty sure you will find some there if you cared to look.

Keep trying to balance the budget on the backs of the public workers and the middle class.
That should work out really well come election time.
Posted by donnerboy at 2011-05-26 02:21 PM

Where you at, BonerBoy? Where's your outrage at Obama?

#88 | Posted by JOE

and I still think the same way. Did Walker increase taxes on the wealthy at the same time he cut benefits to the workers?

I DON'T think the budget should be balanced on the backs of Federal workers or any Public sector workers BUT I do see the wisdom and the need for all of us to tighten our belts together...IF all of us are tightening our belts together. If taxes were increased on the wealthy as well making cuts this might be a fair compromise. It's all about Fairness Joe...I am pretty sure that went right over your head didn't it?

no matter...

The fact is, we all know this budget is NOT going anywhere. So why waste my energy fretting over something that will never even happen?

So get back to me when this budget is actually being considered in Congress.

you said where is the outrage...I am pretty sure you will find some there if you cared to look.

The point was that we didn't have to look only to the workers to find outrage in the case of Wisconsin. You, Danni, Zed, Dorky, et al. were more than willing to rage on their behalf. Funny how you say "look to the workers" when Obama's the one dictating pay cuts to government workers and denying them the right to collectively bargain.

Funny how you say "look to the workers" when Obama's the one dictating pay cuts to government workers and denying them the right to collectively bargain.

#93 | Posted by JOE

Your idea of my rage is interesting. The workers in Wisconsin were outraged and I sympathized with their plight.

And it is funny how you are Faux Raging over something that may never even happen.

like I said...get back to us when Congress actually decides to do it's job and starts debating the latest budget that Obama has proposed....then we can do the Futterwhacken together.

And do you have a link where Obama is denying government workers the right to collectively bargain in his budget? I seemed to have missed that little detail. But, like I said I probably am not going to bother myself with the details of something that will never be passed.

But, like I said I probably am not going to bother myself with the details of something that will never be passed.

#94 | Posted by donnerboy

So he proposes it, it doesn't pass and your Ok with it. Makes sense if you're brain dead.

And do you have a link where Obama is denying government workers the right to collectively bargain in his budget?

They don't currently have the right, and he has never proposed to give it to them. That's a continued denial of their rights.

So he proposes it, it doesn't pass and your Ok with it. Makes sense if you're brain dead.

#95 | Posted by wisgod

I am pretty sure never I have never said I was "ok" with it. Only a brain dead person would jump to this conclusion.

They don't currently have the right, and he has never proposed to give it to them. That's a continued denial of their rights.

#96 | Posted by JOE

you're kidding right?

First of there ARE unions in the federal government...second of you clowns are really beginning to sound desperate.

of all ... first of ALL ... second of ALL...