98% of Catholic women use birth control. And this story has no evidence to the contrary.

I especially like this line:
"The survey was limited to women between 15-44. Ah, well, that explains how we weren't including the elderly,"

Why would a woman in her 50's need to use birth control anyway? God has already given her birth control naturally.

Obviously darth did not take the time to read the article, let alone think while doing so. They EXCLUDED many demographics to reach their conclusion, darth.

They EXCLUDED many demographics to reach their conclusion, darth.

#2 | Posted by Diablo at 2012-02-15 11:10 AM

Yes, like post-menopausal women who don't need birth control. What a scandal!

Why would a woman in her 50's need to use birth control anyway? God has already given her birth control naturally.

Posted by DARTHCHENEY at 2012-02-15 11:08 AM |

How long before darthstupid figures out he is making the argument for the right when it comes to paying for 50 yo women to have ACCESS to BC? Even though she has no intentions, the money is still taken out if she chooses to get it.

Obviously darth did not take the time to read the article, let alone think while doing so.
Posted by Diablo

That's like asking a burnt out 60-watt bulb to light the room.

#4 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2012-02-15 11:13 AM

What a stupid post and a lame attempt to change the subject. So because post-menopausal women don't need birth control other women shouldn't get it?

#5 | Posted by wisgod at 2012-02-15 11:14 AM

Oh, look, it's the me-too poster coming to take cheap shots after the argument is lost. What a waste of space.

"What a stupid post and a lame attempt to change the subject. So because post-menopausal women don't need birth control other women shouldn't get it?"

Is this fucking retard serious? Is he actually that stupid and can't figure out the reasoning of some who question the policy? That there is a difference between women in their childbearing years and those who aren't, yet under the mandate they are treated equally?

#7 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2012-02-15 11:28 AM

This thread is about the "98% of Catholic women use birth control" you silly retard. If you can't stay on topic maybe you should limit yourself to posting on the nooner.

This thread is about the "98% of Catholic women use birth control" you silly retard. If you can't stay on topic maybe you should limit yourself to posting on the nooner.

Posted by DARTHCHENEY at 2012-02-15 11:31 AM

No shit Trig? Wow, thanks for the heads up. Here I thought I was repsonding to a post by some retard named darthcheney....

Why would a woman in her 50's need to use birth control anyway? God has already given her birth control naturally.
Posted by DARTHCHENEY at 2012-02-15 11:08 AM |

How long before darthstupid figures out he is making the argument for the right when it comes to paying for 50 yo women to have ACCESS to BC? Even though she has no intentions, the money is still taken out if she chooses to get it.
#4 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2012-02-15 11:13 AM

Oh, look, it's the me-too poster coming to take cheap shots after the argument is lost. What a waste of space.

#6 | Posted by DARTHCHENEY

Arguement is lost? What the fuck are you talking about, meat-head?

#9 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2012-02-15 11:35 AM

So you have nothing. You just come to the retort because you like being called stupid, don't you.

"Dispatches from the 10th Crusade"?

[wtfamireading]

Wow, that is a lot of butt-hurt condensed into a wee little rant.

The 98% number is certainly up for debate depending on methodology but the main fact, to whit that "Cafeteria Catholics" which is to say ostensible Catholics who ignore the Pope's backward-assed advice on BC, exist and in great numbers. Certainly the vast majority.

Which is reflective of but not necessarily too obviously an indicator that American Catholics (and Canadians too, btw) have morally evolved past their church on this issue.

Be Well.

1) "98% of Catholic women use birth control" is a lie
2) ????
3) Obama is a liar and a thief who wants to turn us all into filthy muslims!

~CRISPY_OC

"Argument is lost? What the fuck are you talking about, meat-head?"

He is simply channeling his inner Trig...

1) "98% of Catholic women use birth control" is a lie
2) ????
3) Obama is a liar and a thief who wants to turn us all into filthy muslims!

~CRISPY_OC
#13 | Posted by DARTHCHENEY at 2012-02-15 11:47 AM |

My name is darthcheney, and I am an idiot.

Truth is that the overwhelming majority of Catholic families are now, have in the past, or plan in the future to use birth control and hate pedophile Clergy protection.

Hey, Darth? Did the principle do your Mother so you could stay in school in spite of your I.Q. of 75?

"Did the principle do your Mother so you could stay in school"

Ya gotta love the self-retorting retort.

Ya gotta love the self-retorting retort.

#18 | Posted by Danforth

You need some new material, son.

"You need some new material, son."

Tell us again how stupid others are while proving you're dumber than a 5th grader, Einstein.

Truth is that the overwhelming majority of Catholic families are now, have in the past, or plan in the future to use birth control and hate pedophile Clergy protection.
#16 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour

Yeah, but those are quiet opinions. They aren't making any demands on the church in the name of these opinions, providing tacit approval for however the church chooses to approach things.

Tell us again how stupid others are while proving you're dumber than a 5th grader, Einstein.

#20 | Posted by Danforth

That's rich coming from the turd who doesn't know what 5 weeks means.

#22 | Posted by wisgod at 2012-02-15 01:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

May not understand what 98% means either.

They EXCLUDED many demographics to reach their conclusion

LOL... because if it weren't for the teachings of the catholic church, all of those post-menopausal and prepubescent women would be snatching up every contraceptive they could find.

Crawl back under your rock, dumbfuck.

I wish I could find the page, there used to be a Vatican news story claiming that 4% of all Catholic Women are nuns.

"That's rich coming from the turd who doesn't know what 5 weeks means."

What a riot: Wissy is such a moron he can't even get his insults straight.

If WI doesn't tax you more than twice its top rate, they should.

Calling it a "Guttmacher lie" is misleading. As the linked author writes, "The statistics in the Guttmacher study appear to be okay for the purpose for which the study was originally intended."

But she does blow some big holes in the "98 percent" claim.

Is this fucking retard serious? Is he actually that stupid and can't figure out the reasoning of some who question the policy? That there is a difference between women in their childbearing years and those who aren't, yet under the mandate they are treated equally?

#7 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC

By your logic, half the medications given to the elderly shouldn't be provided because they generally don't go to younger men and women.

Insurance doesn't run by that logic. The drug is to be covered for prescribed uses or its not.

I'm really not sure whats so hard to understand.

What they don't clarify is if they consider natural family planning, which is allowed by the Catholic Church, as a method of birth control. Also, if a couple is having unprotected sex, but is placing it in God's hands and neither trying to get pregnant or avoid it, do they count that couple or consider them as trying to get pregnant?

They EXCLUDED many demographics to reach their conclusion, darth.

You mean 5 year old catholic girls aren't on birth control, Diablo?
What a shocker.

As for the others they excluded, they used birth control before menopause, while not trying to get pregnant or before they were pregnant.
Then again, the RCs are the ones who told us the Earth was 600 years old, based on statistics they used.

Who wrote this headline?

Anyone who actually read the report knows the headline is false and the commonly held belief is true.

"Most sexually active women who do not want to become
pregnant" whether unmarried, currently married or previously
married" practice contraception. The large majority
use highly effective methods. This is true for women of all
religious denominations, including Catholics, despite the
Church's formal opposition to contraceptive methods other
than natural family planning.

â– Among all women who have had sex, 99% have
ever used a contraceptive method other than natural
family planning. This figure is virtually the same,
98%, among sexually experienced Catholic women."

Guess what, ever is not the same as never. As usual, the Conservative threads here are a pack of lies. Its SOP.

Where is that statistic from that specifically includes NFP?

98% of folks have exceeded the speed limit or didn't come to a complete stop at a stop sign at some point either.

I guess we can conclude that those laws are worthless and we should just toss them because nobody follows them anyway, right?

the stat includes women who might have taken birth control, for a variety of reasons BTW, for maybe a brief amount of time.

There is no point in being hung up on the 98% figure....I think most catholics concede that artifical contraception is being used as much by catholics as anybody else.

I am an idiot.

#15 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2012-02-15 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag: Yupper

Where is that statistic from that specifically includes NFP?

NFP is irrelevant in this conversation pretty much. For example, my wife and I practiced NFP for about 7 years.

However, my wife has taken birth control in the past.....so she falls into the 98%.

Tha is like saying 99% of Americans have tried pot at least once, there for 99% of Americans smoke pot.

A lot of people fall away, especially in college, but then return. I better number would be the current % of practicing Catholics currently using birth contro in those demographics.

98% of folks have exceeded the speed limit or didn't come to a complete stop at a stop sign at some point either.

I guess we can conclude that those laws are worthless and we should just toss them because nobody follows them anyway, right?

are you comparing Bishops to the Highway Patrol upholding the law as agreed upon by the People?

Also contraceptives are not illegal. Either under Man's law or God's law.

They are just against the belief system of about 271 old white guys in funny robes.

are you comparing Bishops to the Highway Patrol upholding the law as agreed upon by the People?

no, this has nothing to do with enforcement but rather how people fall short of the "rules". It doesn't mean they are habitual rule breakers either.

Also contraceptives are not illegal.

well, not yet....

:-)

Oh, look, it's the me-too poster coming to take cheap shots after the argument is lost. What a waste of space.

#6 | Posted by DARTHCHENEY

Arguement is lost? What the fuck are you talking about, meat-head?

#10 | Posted by wisgod

Only Wisdog would misspell 'argument' when replying to a post where it's properly spelled.

Many Catholics believe it is against God's law and beliebe in papal succession. Thanks for making fun of the cloths of another religion's cloths and religious heirachy. You are a model of respect and tolerance.

My favorite part?

The retortage happening on this thread.

Pardon my spelling above. I am posting from a crappy phone.

#37 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY
"They are just against the belief system of about 271 old white guys in funny robes."

Gotta admit, though, some of those old white guys were damn funny.

Why does the left scream about tolerance and understanding and then make fun of Catholics and conservatives.

Thanks for making fun of the cloths of another religion's cloths and religious heirachy. You are a model of respect and tolerance.

#40 | Posted by callme_james

as you may have noticed if you have ever read my posts...I have no respect for the Catholic Church. They obviously do not have a respect for women. And I love Women. I treat pretty much all the religions the same way. I do not think any religion should be put on that kind of pedestal.

The argument stands on its own merits with me or it doesn't stand at all.

I can read the bible as well as any bishop. I can look up the translations of every word to verify I understand what they were trying to say.

No where in the Bible does your God condemn abortion or contraception.

The Bishops argument is wrong. And this God would actually support abortion or contraception if that is what was considered Clean by the person who had to make that decision for themselves in the best interest of their own heart and soul.

I hate quoting the bible but it seems I am called upon often to teach Christians what their own text says and means.

11What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "…15Peter said, "Explain the parable to us."
16"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. 17"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' " (Matthew 15:11, 15-20)

Let them with ears let them hear!

It means it is not up to the Bishops. It is up to you.

And Yeah Verily. James "Are you still so dull?"

So tolerance only for those that agree with you?

What about muslims? Do you feel the same about thier views? Do you mock them or only Catholics?

Why does the left scream about tolerance and understanding and then make fun of Catholics and conservatives.

#44 | Posted by callme_james

I don't know if you noticed I_callyou_James but I just called God an Asshole on the other church thread. Me and God go way back. We kid each other all the time like that. I call Him an Asshole and He goes and does shit like killing 250,000 humans with a shrug just to remind me who's in charge. He thinks it's awesome and I should Worship Him for that (and all the other things) because it is Good. And I can never win the argument because if God made it then it has to be Good...by default because He said so. IN fact, behold, it was VERY good.

God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning--the sixth day.

Then God looked over all he had made, and he saw that it was very good! And evening passed and morning came, marking the sixth day.

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

What about muslims? Do you feel the same about thier views? Do you mock them or only Catholics?

#46 | Posted by callme_james

I am not a secret Muslim if that's what you think. I do like some Sufi parables just like I do like some Christian parables. I also like Aesop's Fables. I don't worship him or the Greek God's either. I bet they are sad about that too.

As I said..I treat pretty much all the religions the same way.

They either make sense... or... they don't.

Excerpts from the study:

The debate over contraception has long been settled in
real-life America. At some point in her life, virtually every
woman in the United States uses at least one contraceptive
method.

Among all women who have had sex, 99% have
ever used a contraceptive method other than natural
family planning. This figure is virtually the same,
98%, among sexually experienced Catholic women.

There are approximately 62 million women of reproductive
age in the United States, and virtually all of them will use
a contraceptive method other than natural family planning
at some point in their lives. Even among married Catholic
women, only 3% practice natural family planning, while
a majority uses contraceptives that the Church hierarchy
routinely denounces.

Although "The survey was limited to women between 15-44," the assumption being made is that women who are younger than 15 use contraceptives at about the same rate when they fall into the 14-44 year range. Likewise, the assumption is that women who are older than 44 used contraceptives when they fell into the 15-44 age range. In other words, 98% of Catholic women use contraceptives at some point in their lifetimes, when they were sexually active, not postpartum, not pregnant or trying to get pregnant

It would be nonsense to claim that 98% of all Catholic women are using contraceptives at one time. Likewise, it's nonsense for Christian blogger Lydia McGrew to assert "The oft-repeated claim that '98 percent of Catholic women use birth control' is not true" and to pretend to have discovered a flaw in the survey because "it excluded any women who were a) not sexually active, where that is defined as having had sexual intercourse in the past three months (there go all the nuns), b) postpartum, c) pregnant, or d) trying to get pregnant!"

How long before darthstupid figures out he is making the argument for the right when it comes to paying for 50 yo women to have ACCESS to BC? Even though she has no intentions, the money is still taken out if she chooses to get it.
.
What we call "the Pill" is really just a cocktail of hormones.
These hormones are typically used to prevent pregnancy in one way or another.
But they have other uses.

Women don't just take The Pill to make some pharmaceutical company rich, as you seem to be implying.

And even if they did, it's a very cheap drug.

These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.'

Great.

Now the Catholic hospitals will claim the requirement that doctors wash their hands violates their religious freedoms.

A lot of people fall away, especially in college, but then return.

A lot of people simply stop giving a fuck about your religion, yet still call themselves "catholic".

lets see they did not count people not having sex, trying to get pregnant, or woman not able to become pregnant. When I heard that number did I think they were counting those people NO, but some I guess need to have that warning not to put their dog in the Microwave to dry it or that coffee is hot or they will not know.

My point had been that muslims have more extreme views in many of the same areas as Catholics, but I never hear you bash them.

Reminds me of the myth of the 'back alley abortions'.

"Yes, like post-menopausal women who don't need birth control. What a scandal!"

You should try thinking before posting. The Guttmacher lie was women who had EVER used contraception. The pill came in the 60's. The elderly would qualify.

My point had been that muslims have more extreme views in many of the same areas as Catholics, but I never hear you bash them.

#54 | Posted by callme_james

You obviously haven't seen me go after Tokyo Tosser then.

There's no doubt the % of Catholic women in the US who use birth control or have used birth control is over 50%.

But really, if you need to be told that the 98% figure is bunk then your bullshit meter doesn't work.

Jesus Christ, just let people fuck and stop worrying about it.

Man conservatives start to SUCK REALLY BAD whenever they can't throw stones at the economy anymore.

Semantics and word parsing bullshit!

'Using' birth control does NOT mean having to be 'ON' birth control.

I've never heard a women say she was 'ON' condoms, yet she is still using birth control.

My point had been that muslims have more extreme views in many of the same areas as Catholics, but I never hear you bash them.

Difference is Muslims aren't trying to enact Sharia Law in this country.
Whereas Catholics are trying to enact their version of Sharia Law.

I've never heard a women say she was 'ON' condoms, yet she is still using birth control.

#60 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

Thank God that sentence was never heard! lol That's a FF CS..

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Birth control for Catholics include the rhythm method too!

"Whereas Catholics are trying to enact their version of Sharia Law."

Idiotic. They don't want Big Pharma mandating that recreational drugs be covered by all medical plans. Oh the horror!

They don't want Big Pharma mandating that recreational drugs be covered by all medical plans. Oh the horror!

#63 | Posted by sully

contraceptive is now a "recreational drug"?

oh... the tangled web we weave.

...reminds me of one of my favorite sayings of all time...

that "30% of all statistics are made up on the spot"...

that in itself was most likely made up...

just proves the fact that you can't take what anyone says
at face value, especially those trying to sell you something...

read multiple articles, research multiple facts...

-peace

Dear catholic,
Blow it out your ass howard.